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The best 50th birthday present ever in the morning.
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Yeah, a heart attack. On today's show we talk Pikes
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Peak, which somehow manages to carry on this year without us,
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and the new Corvette ZR1X, which we can agree will also carry on
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without us. I share where the bad RWB
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Porsches touched me and Dan shares why he still won't touch
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a Ford Bronco Raptor even with $10,000 on the hood.
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Lindsay's back from France again, this time from Lamar,
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where she ate ice cream with Jim Farley, talked podcast with
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Chris Harris, and watched a race.
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It's that car show. Hey, it is that car show.
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It's like 1000° in this garage in Denver.
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So I'm a little little shiny tonight, but how are you 2?
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Great. How are you?
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Other than being a little warm, I'm great.
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You just got back from Lamar, Dan.
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I know you've been running around like a crazy man out in
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LA. Did you have a break in?
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Because like I'm sure the last time we recorded, there was a
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second car in your. Garage.
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I hadn't noticed. What the hell?
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Yeah, so no more 88560 SL up on the rack.
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If you are listening, you are in the Denver area and you need a
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place to store favorite car. Man, you know you can't beat
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passive income, right? Like that's the best kind of.
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Income, right? It is, yeah.
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It doesn't get away right because it's it's it's.
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Above Yeah, yeah. So you can't be someone who
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wants to get your car out every day, but you know, if you're
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looking to to leave it for a few weeks at a time, you know, it's
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it's it's pretty perfect. But I do miss having the you
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know, the the the sights and the smells of an old Mercedes in the
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garage. You know, it's got, it's got,
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it's a certain something. It's, I don't know what you call
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it. Is it probably a French word?
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Miss Lemont or or horse hair or whatever?
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Right. Stuffed in the seat.
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You know that car sat here for nine months, 10 months.
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Yes, it was on a trickle charger, but started right away.
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You know, barely leaked any oil, you know, Barely.
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Any smoke? Startup, right?
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Try that with a brand new Mercedes.
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Yeah, he's German. They.
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Try that with your CLA 220. Imagine if it was British.
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Yeah. Is there a like a filter when
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someone applies to usual cars garage for storage?
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Like is it British? Is it Italian?
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No German? Oh please come and have a look.
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Yeah. I mean, I'd love to have a nice
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career GT up here. Hey, put it out into the.
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World, yeah, yeah. And it'll, it'll happen, it'll
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manifest, right? But yeah, so yeah, that's a
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little different, a little brighter in here.
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I guess that's true. But yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's just been crazy and I haven't even gone anywhere.
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Like I didn't go to France, but you did.
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Do you wanna? I went for the team, I went for
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all of us. Thank you, Lindsay.
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That's dedication. Yeah, I am a giver, if nothing
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else. It's it's tax deductible, which
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helps right And so all right, so tell us if you don't know we we
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obviously know this, but you just got back from Lamar and
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just. Got back from the 24 hours of
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Lamar. And you had Lamar, France.
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You had never been before. I had never been.
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This was my first time and we, I, Tori and I went together and
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my parents were there and there was a group of Ford and Shelby
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enthusiasts and we were able to be in the Ford suite.
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So that was a very nice part of the experience.
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But we started off, we won customs in Iceland because we,
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we flew from Seattle to Iceland and then on to Paris.
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And it was, you know, did basically an overnight flight,
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but it was only 6 hours. So we were a little bleary eyed
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when we got there. And we were going through
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customs and the agent was asking us, you know, where you are, you
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staying in Iceland, where you going?
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And we said, no, we're going to Lamar for the race.
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And he perked up and he said, you're my first people that are
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doing anything fun. You gotta like the Icelandic
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people. They're good.
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People so cute and we're like, did we just win customs?
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I think we did. This episode is sponsored by
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Iceland Tourism. Yes, she was also Bjork, but.
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Yeah, the swan dress kind of got in the way in the booth, but you
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know who's counting, let's be honest.
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And then, yeah, the first thing we saw in the Iceland airport
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was a big Stetson display. So I'm like this feels like we
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made a wrong turn to. Them.
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Oh wow, oh wow. Stetson and Filson, which may
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sound familiar to Dan. They're basically.
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Yeah. Yeah, so come get all your
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American outdoor and Western gear in Reykjavik.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You said it was hot as Hades
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there. It was the first.
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Couple days. No.
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And once we got to Paris and we stopped quickly at the Eiffel
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Tower, as one does, you know, on the way to Tours, which is where
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we stayed and there was some pretty interesting car spotting
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on the way there. We saw a fourth Gen.
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Camaro American. Didn't expect that.
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A little, little. Little little bit of pride.
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Well. We were like, Yep, Subaru
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Forester again. Not expecting to see that in
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Paris. In downtown Paris, several full
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size Ram trucks, which was. That's a weird flex if you're
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French. There was a lot, yeah.
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We were like, there's a lot that we were not expecting.
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One of them we saw when we were leaving on Sunday and it was
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towing a Porsche Motorsport trailer with the GTS inside.
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Well, at least they're towing with it.
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Right. We can't think about it, right?
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The French farmers love to protest.
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And is there anything better than parking a ram?
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That's your protest? Yeah, true.
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Did you drive to Lamont Lindsay from France?
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From Paris? OK, that's a pilgrimage in its
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own right, right? It is.
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I mean, it really made it part of the adventure and it let us
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stop in Paris proper and like see the Eiffel Tower quickly and
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all of that because obviously if you take the train like that's a
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set route, you're not, you know, you're not exiting.
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Yeah. So yeah, it was cool because we
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got to see more of the countryside and then we had more
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flexibility like on the race days as far as staying because
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the group we were with did have a shuttle because Tours is about
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an hour from Lamont. But yeah, it just let us kind of
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design our own trip, which was nice.
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So I. Was going to wear my Lamont
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T-shirt a few years ago when I was a younger man.
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My mother-in-law got me a Lamont T-shirt and she went to Fern the
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shirt and I put it on and it really looked like a French
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sausage in the thing. So that didn't happen, but I
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tried. Yeah, the thought was was was
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there, but that's as close I've ever gotten.
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The end you've been it sounds like.
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Yeah, yeah, I want. To say 2009, so a long, long
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time ago, but it used to be like 70,000 Brits used to go every
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year. I don't know this is still the
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same number. But yeah, it was a pilgrimage
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for sure. Yeah.
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There were a lot of British people there.
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When we went on Saturday, the guy that parked next to us
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actually had a, he had like AG 5911 Targa that was gorgeous.
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He's had it about 20 years and he's a restaurateur from Royal
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Tonbridge Wells. Actually, Dan, we start talking
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to him, British guy, he had driven over that morning, driven
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through the tunnel and he said it was amazing.
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And the car, his car was gorgeous.
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It had this amazing Plaid interior, you know, Plaid
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inserts, handmade shift knob. He wasn't sure what color it
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was. It was kind of like a deep ice
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blue metallic. It was just in amazing shape.
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But he's had it for 20 years. But yeah, a lot of British
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people, we did. So on Friday afternoon.
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They do. It used to be like the drivers
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parade through the town of Lamont.
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And so if you're at the track, you can take, they have like a
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local metro kind of tram. So we took that from the track
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into the town. And they've got the town all
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strung with, you know, banners and it's like a very big party
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atmosphere. There's they had a band and all
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kinds of, you know, booths and Aperol spritz and beer gardens
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and all that stuff. And it looked, if you've seen
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Ford versus Ferrari, they did a really good job of recreating
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the town with like the little Pennant banners over the and it
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was like, I mean, we felt like we were walking through the
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movie several times. And like the scene where Ken
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Miles wakes up and walks through, you know, there's the
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drunk guy outside his hotel and he says, well, I'm just going to
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go walk the track. Like when he comes out of the
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hotel, I think this is the town he's supposed to be.
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It's the town of Le Mans and it was very authentic.
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But yeah, we ended up going to see the parade.
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I think it's now called the Driver's party because it was a
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little I'm, I'm really glad we did it.
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It was a little anticlimactic from what I understand.
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I think it may have been more driver centric when you were
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there, Dan, but we ended up meeting a French police officer
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who had studied in San Diego. So that was very funny.
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And then made friends with some Danish people that were standing
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right with us who lived in the town where I grew up in Orange
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County in California. So you just never know who
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you're going to meet. Well, you met a few other folks
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too, right? I think you met one Chris Harris
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while you were there, who I'm hoping has a That car show
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sticker on the back of his phone now, but you tell me.
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Yeah, we were in the the Ford hospitality suite and I looked
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over and I went, Oh my God, that's Chris Harris.
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And he was eating with Jim Farley.
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And so then Jim had to come do something and Chris was there
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with someone else. And then he was by himself.
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And I was like, I'm just going to introduce myself and tell him
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I love the podcast. And so I went up and introduced
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myself. And at first he was a little
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wary. And then I said, I really love
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your show. You know, I have a podcast also
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and we talk about your show all the time.
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You got it in. I.
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Did and. And his face totally changed and
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he he was like, what? And he said, well, thank you so
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much for listening. And I said, yeah, we really, we
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love the format and how you moderate it.
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And he was like, oh, that's, that's really great.
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Thank you so much. So in a weird way.
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Because he drove in the Mustang Challenge.
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Oh that's awesome. Because they did.
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Ford flew all of the Mustang Challenge or they flew 40 of the
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Mustang Challenge cars to France to do 2 races before the 24 hour
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race started. And so he drove one of them with
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Sir Chris Hoy. And then Jim Farley was also
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driving in the race. And we have a family friend,
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Steve Vita, that we met at Laguna Seca when I was there for
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the Land Rover event in May. And my he was pitted right next
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to my dad in the paddock. So then he and his wife were
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there, so we got to see them. So yeah, that was really fun.
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And we got to go into the Mustang Challenge paddock where
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they had all the cars. We went in after the race, which
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was really interesting. And my family's been watching
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that series. So it was wild because I kept
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going. OK, I remember this car from the
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TV and I remember this significant on TV because the
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deliveries are so distinctive. They had one that was racing in
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the States that was fully chromed.
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I didn't see that one there, but but yeah, Jib drove in that.
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Chris Harris was there. And there's a gal who's an F1
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expert and commentator, Tony Cowan Brown.
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She was there and we've been, I've followed her on Instagram,
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but it was fun to meet her in person.
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And then some of our listeners may know Pinstripe Chris.
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He's an artist based in Orange County and he knows Paul Kramer
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from Auto Kennel very well. And he was actually in the suite
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doing a piece of the Mustang GTD like over the course of the
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weekend, like painting it. So he and his wife Katie were
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there. So it was great to see him.
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We were like, we didn't leave Costa Mesa.
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What's going on? And then Ed Lowe for Motor Trend
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was there. Cool.
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And actually, right when we got into Paris, we ran into Emmy
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Hall, who's a freelancer, and she's done the rebel rally and
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she's just kind of a badass all around automotive media gal.
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And yeah, ran into her right away.
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She was there with Genesis. So yeah, there were all kinds of
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people. Yeah, yeah.
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And you? And and I live there.
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Yes, I was there, yeah. They're back on their podcast
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right now talking about how they ran into Lindsay Josh, you know,
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so. The. $1,000,000 The $1,000,000
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question, did you stay up for the 24 hours?
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Almost, yeah, yes. So it was a very quick trip,
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just the way it worked out with my schedule.
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So because we realized we probably weren't going to be
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able to get back from tours to Lamont and then also leave on
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Sunday. So we ended up staying up till
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probably about four on Saturday. Well, Sunday morning, yeah, this
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old gal, I was like, there was a lot of coffee that day.
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It's. Just the youngest one on the
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show. Right.
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Mama's old bones. But yeah.
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And it's, you know, there was so much energy and it really was
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like, I didn't expect it to be as weighty as it was, but being
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there, you know, I've said this before, like Ford versus Ferrari
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is one of my favorite movies for a lot of different reasons, but
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I've really connected with it. And that was a lot of like the
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stories that I heard of my childhood.
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And obviously, Lamar is a huge part, if not the storyline in
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that movie. And it kind of hit me when we
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got there, like we're in the spot, like we're standing in all
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the places where all of those events happened, real events.
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And you could sort of feel like the weight and the significance
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of it. And it was, you know, it was
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just, it was very momentous and meaningful and just sort of
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like, you could definitely hear like the whispers of the past
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and feel all the layers and everything that's happened
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there. And, you know, Friday night, the
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race obviously starts Saturday afternoon.
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Friday night, we had the grandstands completely to
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ourselves. Like Tori and I were just
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walking around and he realized we could just walk into the
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grandstands. They were open and we did and we
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were the only ones there and it was just like, it was a really
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nice moment to take it all in and just sort of.
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The hell of a picture. Yeah, right.
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Right. He's got a good eye because all
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of a sudden he's like, wait a minute, I think we could do
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this. And there's nobody in the stands
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on either side. It was crazy.
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Yeah, yeah, that was very cool. Shout out to our friend Maurice
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at Horsepower Heritage, who just put out a great, I think it was
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an encore episode, but about the most tragic day at Le Mans and
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all that. And this is this is this all
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happened where you, I mean, there's that.
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That's got to like kind of hang heavy in the air, right?
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Well, that was the thing. And especially when we were in
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the stands, we were standing there and we realized like we
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could just look, you know, to our left, we were opposite the
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garages, but we could look. And we're like, that's exactly
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where the 1955 disaster happened.
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And all those people lost their lives and. 55. 1955 Well, I
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think it was, I think it was between 80 and 90 people were
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injured or killed, you know, and that like, and Mercedes pulled
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out and they didn't do the race for a long, long, long time
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after that because they felt so awful.
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And it was an interesting combination of, you know, sort
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of the magic of the event and just the wonder of getting to be
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there, period. But then also like all of all of
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the history there and you know, a lot of my upbringing was
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focused on around like the stories of the 60s and Carol
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Shelby and everything he contributed and just, you know,
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10 miles and everything he contributed and all of that.
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And then we didn't realize until we were there, we were looking
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something else up. I didn't, I hadn't put it
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together that Ken passed away two months after Le Mans.
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So that was kind of hanging heavy too.
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I mean, I didn't realize it was so close, but something that was
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interesting because, you know, I think a lot of people know what
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some people may not. One of the issues with the year
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that Ken raced and with Ford making them making him slow down
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so that they could finish all together.
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And then the wind was taken away from him because the the
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monitoring committee ruled that Bruce McLaren had started behind
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him. So he'd actually driven farther.
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So he'd actually won even though Ken was several laps up and the
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there are some sources that say Ken was still a lap up when they
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finished, so there should have been no question even though
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they drove physically together. This is why I like computers and
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computer timing. It's just well and so it.
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Seems wild. If Ken had been allowed to keep
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the win, he would have won Daytona, Sebring and Lamont in
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the same year. So we were looking it up when we
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were there. Other people have won all three,
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but nobody has done it in the same year.
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So he still would be the only person to win it in the same
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year. But what we realized when we
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were there, there's a driver who had one Sebring and Daytona, and
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he was driving this year and for a while his car was second.
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So we thought, is there a chance somebody's going to achieve it
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for the first time? And we're here.
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Yeah, yeah. Wow.
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And they didn't end up, but there was a lot of like current
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and past tie in which made. A movie, Yeah.
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Yeah. You know.
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Like made it much more layered than I was.
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Expecting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Where were we? I guess it was Car week last
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year. We walked into a very special
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private collection and the collection mechanic comes out
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and wasn't it like Ken Miles's son or something?
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Peter Miles, Yeah. Yes, where?
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Where was that? Well, it was in Carmel.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't want to see the name,
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but yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was surreal because.
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Yeah, you're like, wait a minute, We know.
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Yeah. I mean, he was out at Willow for
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the Shelby celebration in February, so I got to talk to
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him a little bit and he's nice man.
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Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, he's wonderful.
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That was a surreal cap or 2A surreal day of a surreal week.
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But. Yeah, 'cause he's trying to go
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like, well, that can't be the same Peter Miles and.
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I don't know enough like you to like like talk myself out of,
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you know, so it sounds epic. Would you have done anything
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differently? Did you miss anything you really
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wanted to do or see? Do you want to go back or is
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this like a once a decade thing or what?
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Do they still have the Ferris wheel?
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They do. Did you go on it?
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I did. Oh wow.
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Thanks to my fiance's encouraging heights are not my
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first choice, but I will say if heights bother you, I think
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you'd be fine on this. And it was an amazing way to see
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a really good chunk of the track.
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And we went we went late at night so you can see the
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headlights and I think that actually helps far.
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I think it helped because I think during the day it like it
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made them easier to see and so I think you could see farther
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maybe. But yeah, I mean, what?
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You know, it's like you can't go to Le Mans, not go on the
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Ferris. Right, right, you do.
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At the end. Yeah, we were going to sort of
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Chuck you off the call if you deserve now, right?
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And you're out. Yeah, no, of course.
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Is it still in the same place? Is it like the final chicane
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before the straight? There's two and we went on the
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bigger one. OK, when I was there, it was
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right by the final chicane before the start finish straight
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and I didn't do it the right time, but the the the perfect
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time to do it is sunset or sunrise.
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Yeah. Because you've got everything
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going on at that point. And I, or I could see, I mean,
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it'd be pretty cool if you could time it to be when the race
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finishes. Too.
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Yeah, right. It's like after you.
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After you. Yeah.
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You're like, no, no, by all means, no, no, please go.
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Yeah, it was, I mean, it was like a moment out of a movie
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because you're like, I'm on the Ferris wheel at Le Mans.
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Like come on, Whose life is this?
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Drinking champagne, I was going. To say that helps too, right?
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To get you. Not not as much.
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I actually that was much more moderated because I knew it was
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going to be a really long night, so there was a lot more coffee
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than champagne. Not to say we didn't toast to be
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the. 3rd I'm guessing you didn't sleep in a Chevy Equinox at any
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point during the. No journey.
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So you said what would I do differently next time?
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I would be sure that we get an equinox, that we could go sleep.
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Yeah, No, I think there were one thing that we did that was a
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must do if you and I don't know how you would get access to it
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because it was part of the group that we were with.
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But we had the chance to go watch the race from three
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different corners, Indianapolis golf and the first chicane on
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the most on straight and that was unreal, you know, and like
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so getting to watch from the suite where we could see part of
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the straight and then. Some of the curves right after
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that. So you could really see the cars
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in action. I mean, you could see like the
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driver skill and the power. You could see the downforce.
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You could see the way the cars were behaving.
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At one point, like one of the prototype cars kind of went like
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that. And it was like you could see
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the wind pushing down and like that was very intense.
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And then when we were at Indianapolis, they were under a
20:43
full course yellow, so everybody had to slow way down.
20:47
So it wasn't as exciting. But we also got to get a much
20:49
better look at the cars themselves.
20:51
So that was really cool. Yeah.
20:55
I mean and getting to see golf Corner which is like a hard 90°
21:01
right turn. So you see the cars come
21:04
screaming up you can and we went at night.
21:06
Yes, you the rotors. Glowing.
21:08
Yeah, OK, that was my next question.
21:09
Yeah, that's. Unreal.
21:11
And you could really see, you know, some of them shoot planes
21:13
out of these. Right, Right, right.
21:14
That like it made it much more visible.
21:17
Yeah. And yeah.
21:19
I mean, and just to hear them coming up and it's, it's in, you
21:24
know, there are a lot of trees. Like, I don't know if it
21:25
qualifies as a forest, but there's a lot of trees.
21:28
And so you'd hear them much sooner than you'd see them, and
21:31
they come screaming out of the trees and then they have to slam
21:34
on the brakes, go right. And so you'd see the fire, You
21:37
could see the rotors. And then just to hear them
21:39
accelerate and you know, that was the corner.
21:42
I think that Dan Gurney invented the chicken shit breaking
21:45
because they were trying to figure out how to not overheat
21:48
the rotors And so. He's tell us about that.
21:50
I don't know what that is. So he would lift like 300 yards
21:54
before he would have started breaking, and he would let the
21:57
engine slow the car down. Then he would break.
22:00
I see. And then he'd accelerate out of
22:01
the corner. But it let him, like, kept the
22:04
rotors cooler and it let him, I think, get on the gas sooner.
22:08
And so it gave them a competitive edge.
22:10
Take some guts. Yeah, yeah.
22:12
Look, I've seen interviews where he spoke about it and he's like,
22:16
so yeah, like definitely not for the faint of heart.
22:20
Yeah. Yeah.
22:22
And, and they had, you know, like Aston Martin had a display.
22:26
They had a Valtterini there and then Casa de Ferrari, you know,
22:31
it's always lovely. They had a really visually
22:34
impactful display that included a 499 P, an F80 and a 296
22:39
special, and it was really beautiful.
22:43
And then we got to see the 963 up close and the 97, the Count
22:48
Rossi 917. Oh yeah, Which?
22:50
Was like, that is a thing to behold.
22:52
Yeah, just wild. Like you know, it's the only Rd.
22:57
legal 917 ever made and it was there.
22:59
Yeah, that's amazing. That's what I didn't realize
23:01
until we got there, is there's a Porsche Experience Center at
23:03
Lamar, OH. There is all right.
23:05
Yeah. So they weren't doing the.
23:07
Forget Pekla. Forget.
23:08
I know I did. There it's.
23:12
Yeah, it definitely. It's like if you can't go to the
23:14
one at Lamar, forget it. Yeah, sounds like a hell of a
23:18
trip. Sounds like an amazing trip.
23:20
It was amazing. You had a good travel buddy
23:22
with? You.
23:23
I did, yeah. We traveled incredibly well
23:25
together, which is very nice. Makes a big difference.
23:28
All right, well, this is how you know this thing's forever
23:30
because you just, you just drove a GT4 with buckets from Kansas
23:33
City to Seattle and then turned around and went to the mall and
23:38
all that and still have a smile on your face and.
23:41
No fights. Yeah, Yeah.
23:42
Well, you didn't have to sleep in a Chevy Equinox.
23:44
But there wasn't even a Chevy Equinox.
23:46
I did sleep. In the carbon buckets, that's.
23:48
That's. Also talking about my sleeping
23:50
escape. Yeah, Pike's Peak.
23:51
What was that? That was It was Ford Edge.
23:54
So this weekend is the anniversary.
23:56
It's the one year anniversary of me sleeping in a Ford Edge at
24:00
the top of a mountain. I did wonder where you were
24:03
going with the Equinox. Well, I was going to segue
24:05
because you know, that race is this weekend.
24:08
So when you hear this, it'll be, I think the next day.
24:12
And this is the first time in a couple three years that I
24:15
haven't been going. I didn't go to Porsche Colorado
24:18
Springs as drivers meet and greet and I I have a little,
24:23
little confession. It's because I had 30 bags of
24:26
mulch liver to my house and I threw out not only my back but
24:29
my knee and I just was. And your dignity bill?
24:34
And your your enthusiasm for getting in the car and driving
24:38
hours? And hours yeah, yeah, I just, I
24:40
was I was a broken man by big 30.
24:43
So yeah, that's fair. Back one to the race this year
24:46
either. I think it's going to be
24:48
wonderful. I think the weather's going to
24:49
be good. There's some cool cars, great
24:51
drivers. It I felt a little bad.
24:52
It was kind of like, you know, broke tradition, but, you know.
24:56
Lots of every now friends. There sending pictures and
24:59
stuff. You got to take a break, right?
25:00
Like it's a it's a lot to dance, but that's all.
25:02
We just, I'm not a the older I get, the tougher it is to get up
25:05
early for that kind of stuff like 24 hours of Lamont, that
25:08
might be tough. You know, and we did a lot more
25:11
of the 24 hours than I was anticipating.
25:14
Yeah. That's, but I think there is an
25:16
element of like once you're there, it kind of hits you and
25:18
you go like you have to just like take it, take full
25:22
advantage of as much of it as you can.
25:24
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, there's, there's
25:25
that. And that's I guess why I always
25:26
felt a little guilty about we would meet these people here,
25:29
you know, in Colorado who had traveled, you know, from all
25:32
across the globe to be here, right.
25:34
You know, and I, I think I maybe was starting to take it for
25:36
granted a little bit. So, so now I'll build up, you
25:38
know, my sort of envy of not being there.
25:40
Next I'll be rearing to go and I'll plan my mulch spreading way
25:44
far in. Advance well in advance of Pikes
25:46
P. Maybe they need that on the
25:48
track or next to the track. You could get a job there.
25:51
You can join the ground. Absorbent or whatever on the
25:54
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And of course, without Dan here,
25:57
you know it's not quite the same.
25:59
I know. Either nice knowing.
26:00
Just going to sleep in the boot of your edge come.
26:02
On Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who's going to wake me up at
26:04
1:00 AM when we don't have to wake up until 3:30 AM and make
26:07
it up at the same time? But now I'm kidding.
26:09
That's not my fault. Sounds like someone still owes
26:13
someone a beer and it's yeah, nobody on this.
26:15
It was a great time and it's a great event, but maybe next year
26:19
we can all do it or something. And yeah, it'll be a little
26:21
easier on the on the pocketbook right then.
26:23
I'm excited to see how Roman Dumas does this year because
26:26
he's gone like every year. Is it a super something?
26:30
The fourth? Yeah.
26:31
Yeah, this year he's. Doing the Super Mustang Mach E
26:35
right? Yeah.
26:36
Yeah, I thought maybe they were going to put him in the Ford
26:39
Raptor now that it's $10,000 off, but that's.
26:43
Yeah, it's not super right now is.
26:45
That is that That's not going to push you over the edge, Dan.
26:48
I think Ford have been listening to the the podcast to reduce
26:51
their prices accordingly. Oh God.
26:53
They're giving away everything, right?
26:55
Like, you know, we have this pole star and we're happy with
26:57
it, but I get this e-mail today from pole * saying oh, now we
27:00
can get the pole *3 for the same price.
27:02
You know why? Just bring it in, you know, and,
27:04
and just upgrade, you know. Just straight across.
27:07
Yeah, yeah, I think it was Matt Fair on the Smoking Tire was
27:10
talking about one of his buddies picked up the new Acura.
27:13
Is it the ZDX the same thing? It's like $2500 down and 2:50 a
27:18
month and you're in the $75,000 car.
27:20
Like, I don't, I'm still struggling to to figure out how
27:22
this all computes, but you know, it's.
27:25
Well, it's kind of like was it the was it with the Fiat 500 you
27:27
could get for free for. Free.
27:29
I mean, they're getting to the point where they're going to pay
27:31
you to take one. And yeah, lots of, lots of folks
27:33
in Denver. Yeah.
27:35
You know, that's, you know, it's just deals like that don't don't
27:38
exist, but. Yeah, yeah, I know.
27:42
Well, OK, Speaking of Ford, there was 1 moment I have to
27:45
share from them that I remembered.
27:47
In the Ford's hospitality suite or drinking.
27:51
Champagne no. Ford Champagne.
27:53
No Ford Champagne, No. There was Ford ice cream,
27:55
though. So at one point after the race
27:59
started, we were, we were lucky to get seats along the railing
28:03
upstairs. And like, Tori and I were
28:05
sitting there and my parents were there, and we looked over
28:07
and Jim Farley's right next to Tori, just eating his ice cream.
28:11
All right, I love it. We're.
28:12
Just chatting with him. I love it.
28:13
And later, we were like, it was reminiscent of the moment in
28:17
Ford versus Ferrari when Henry Ford is upstairs.
28:19
Henry Ford, the second is upstairs in the suite.
28:21
You know, he calls down to the garages for an update.
28:24
Yeah. Is Jim just hanging out?
28:26
He's like, yeah, just want to check out the race.
28:28
I love that. Finished his ice cream, you
28:29
know, gave us a flavor recommendation and then he's
28:31
like, all right, have a great time, guys.
28:33
Yeah, Yeah. Is that before or after you
28:34
said, hey, Jim, we've got a podcast.
28:36
That's right. Speaking of, you know, talking
28:39
about four branded alcoholic beverages, you know about Ford
28:41
Landia, right, Where they built these company towns.
28:44
Henry Ford, I think it was. I think there was one in
28:46
Michigan and there was one in Brazil where they basically
28:48
built these company towns to like, you know, clear cut the
28:53
forests, you know, their materials or whatever.
28:56
But if Ford ever decides to to make a vodka, I think Ford
29:01
Landia would be what they would have to.
29:03
There you go. Yeah, I kind of.
29:04
Figured out why the Ford familiar and I realized that I
29:08
was thinking of Portlandia that Fred Armisen did a few years
29:11
ago. I'm like, it's awful.
29:12
I've heard that before. You know my Fred Armisen story,
29:15
right? I don't.
29:16
When I was in middle school, I went to see a local punk rock
29:20
show at the Knights of Columbus Hall in Indiana and he was in a
29:23
band called Trench Mouth that played.
29:26
And so I have his his like demo tape from like 1991 or
29:29
something. Get out.
29:31
At least I think it was him do. You have the technology to play
29:34
so. I think they're still around.
29:38
Now that I say that, I think I actually have a car that will
29:40
play a cassette tape. So should we need to?
29:42
Do OK. Some sort of experiment?
29:45
Take that out. We can connect the tape with the
29:47
car. And here's some vintage Fred
29:49
Armisen. Yeah, you're hanging out with,
29:52
you know, Chris Harris and. I know.
29:57
You know, and I'm, I'm, yeah. Reminiscing about Fred Armisen.
30:00
No, I love it 14. But All right, guys, I got to go
30:03
on a little bit of a tear here. Something happened this week
30:06
where my algorithm started sending me a lot of reels on
30:10
Instagram about RWB and do these are these these Porsches?
30:13
Do we know about these? Yeah.
30:15
What's? You don't have any friends at
30:16
RWB either, either of you, do you?
30:18
I. Don't.
30:19
Well, we know an owner of one, don't we?
30:21
OK all. Right.
30:22
So, yeah, so let's let's get the unfiltered.
30:26
Don't hold back, Ryan. And and then we'll just share
30:30
this directly with our good friend who's got the RWB.
30:34
Then we'll talk about who we've been funded deeply.
30:36
So these have been on my radar for a lot, right?
30:38
We've known about these. This is not a new thing, right?
30:41
And I know, you know, any publicity is good publicity and
30:44
all that, but I finally saw, I think it was a local guy, uh,
30:48
Matthew scandomaniac and Instagram who, who sent me the
30:51
one that pushed me over the edge.
30:52
And then I, of course I saw more and more of these things, but
30:54
this was a so RDB RWB Porsches, if you don't know, it's this,
30:59
it's this Japanese guy who basically travels the world and
31:03
for X number of dollars, word on the street, it's about 24 to
31:06
$40,000 will come and take your. I think it's a nine 3964, 997 or
31:14
does he do 996? I don't know.
31:15
It's like 4 different models. That would make sense if he does
31:17
99 sixes and he basically. Yeah, there's a Targa 996 Targa
31:21
in Seattle. This isn't car.
31:22
Friend car. OK, OK.
31:24
But he did it on 9/6 at the museum, I think the Tacoma
31:27
Museum, Well, that's a. Yeah, kind of a shtick, right?
31:32
Like you have a car, you fly him in and it's like him in his
31:35
sawzall and he just goes to work on your car and as far as I know
31:40
he doesn't. Like performance art, almost.
31:42
That's that's the thing, right? So, so you know What Car, if you
31:46
see it because it's it's it's so RWB stands for, they call it in
31:53
German Rauvelt, which means rough world, which I think is a
31:57
a good name. But this guy is a character,
31:59
right? Like he's dishevelled.
32:01
He's got like hair that comes out to here.
32:02
He wears pajamas. He always has like a Marlboro
32:05
between his lips and he basically sits on the floor and
32:07
just goes to town with this saw. And the video that pushed me
32:10
over the edge was one where he was, he has these like trademark
32:15
Fender flares, right? These extensions, right?
32:18
And he, he just had like some like Home Depot, like glue and a
32:22
tube that just haphazardly like splattering on this thing to,
32:26
to, you know, and it kind of pissed me off because we've
32:30
already got everyone else tearing up these cars, right?
32:32
And I guess I'm a bit of a Porsche purist, but what I don't
32:35
understand is like you, you can, you can get a singer, you can
32:37
get a, a gun that works and get these cars, but the craft is
32:41
there, right? They're obviously done well.
32:43
They've done really, really well.
32:44
And, and it's not just cosmetics, right?
32:46
Like it's, you know, they're obviously performance
32:48
enhancements. And, and, you know, and as far
32:50
as I know, these cars, unless I think the owners enhance the
32:53
performance in any way, these are just, you know, cosmetic
32:57
exercises, their art projects, right?
32:59
And I, I really hated how they look for a long, long time.
33:04
I'm starting to sort of come around on them, I think because
33:06
I've seen a few of them now. So you'll know one when you see,
33:08
when there are a lot of copies too.
33:09
But they have these big sort of fiberglass, I think, or molded
33:12
plastic fenders. They've got the RWB or the the
33:15
rough World in German, whatever it is on the on the on the
33:18
window and. Well, I think one of their
33:21
distinctive characteristics is a lot of visible rivets.
33:23
A. Lot of visible rivets.
33:25
That's kind of a love it or hate it thing, right?
33:28
But yeah, I saw this video of him sort of doing this thing and
33:31
it just sort of pushed me over the edge.
33:32
And so I decided to dig a little deeper.
33:35
And I think that's sort of the conclusion I've come to as well.
33:39
Lindsay, you mentioned performance art and I, I think
33:41
that's kind of what's going on, right?
33:43
You, if you've got some money, you've got an extra 24 to
33:46
$40,000 lying around. You invite this guy from Japan
33:49
and all your friends and, you know, whatever, you, you watch
33:52
them work, right? And.
33:53
You have a very unique experience.
33:56
That's, that's what it is. But do you want to drive these
33:59
things? Because I mean, these things are
34:00
not going to last, right? I mean, they're, they're
34:02
literally glued together. You're adding weight, right?
34:06
I mean, you're not adding any performance.
34:09
I just, I feel like there's, and I thought, well, you know, maybe
34:14
this is sort of the antidote to the Porsche perfectionism,
34:19
right? Maybe that's what appeals,
34:20
right? It's removing the preciousness
34:22
and just like, hey, just have fun with it and get out and
34:26
enjoy it. But yeah, to your point, I've
34:28
never heard how they drive and. That's like the one thing no one
34:32
talks. Yeah, and I think that's where
34:35
it fears more like that's why it's much more or it's as much
34:38
performance art as it is like a, a retrofitting or a like.
34:44
I wouldn't consider it a resto mod because it's so surface I
34:49
guess so cosmetic. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
34:51
I mean, how much rest of modding can you do in two days?
34:54
But right, yeah. Well, wasn't there a video was
34:57
it last year where they showed them and they were like gluing
35:01
the tow hook on and everybody was?
35:02
All but that kind of sums it up right?
35:05
Like. Well, there was some something
35:07
later where they're like, obviously we don't normally do
35:09
this like something happened, but of course it created a lot
35:11
of discussion, you know, like in among among the car world of
35:16
like clearly you can't do that. Speaking of tow hooks, I think
35:20
it was your Tori Lindsay who posted was it Manti Racing
35:24
wanted? Is it $450 for a nylon tow I.
35:28
Believe it was 8. Hundred $800.
35:31
Or there was one that was found that was 800 and we both choked
35:34
and yeah, probably. Not so maybe if you sort of come
35:38
come full circle with this, like where else can you get this kind
35:41
of visual impact, if you want to call it that for, you know,
35:45
right, yeah, mid 5 figures right on top of the price of the car.
35:48
But do we, I mean, like I have a real sort of like, I don't know,
35:53
base reaction to these things, Like I just they bother me.
35:57
And I guess you can do whatever you want, right?
36:00
But Dan, you're, you're suspiciously quiet.
36:03
Well, I'm just wondering if we cancel because Lindsay and I,
36:05
for your birthday, we're going to bring him in for the GT4.
36:09
I know. Fortunately, that is not on his
36:11
list. Do we?
36:13
I think we're still within the cancellation.
36:14
Period. We can.
36:16
Yeah. I think we're good.
36:18
The best 50th birthday prison ever.
36:20
He doesn't mind. Yeah, a heart attack.
36:24
And we're just, yeah, yeah, go out in the best way possible.
36:27
You're in the garage. Yeah.
36:29
Right, right. Yeah.
36:30
I was just thinking when you were telling the story about
36:32
the, the Ferris wheel at Lamar, like, you know, if you were
36:34
gonna, you know, fall from a great height, you know, there,
36:36
that's that's the place to. If this is how it is, if it's
36:39
the Ferris wheel at Lamar, you could do a lot worse, yeah.
36:42
I I mean, I'm trying to think there's really he's got no
36:45
competitors, right, Because but this is like, I don't know, have
36:50
you ever seen like a limo conversion like back in the days
36:53
when they would limos aren't really those cars don't exist to
36:55
convert really anymore so much. But when they used to convert
36:58
like a Town Car or a Cadillac and basically would cut the
37:01
thing in half and they just Weld some like, you know, 3 feet more
37:05
frame or whatever and then just slop together.
37:07
And it's just I think those are were built with much more care
37:10
and precision than these things. And I just, I want to know.
37:13
So I know we have a friend of the show who's got one.
37:15
Like what's this thing three years later?
37:17
Like, like, yeah, that's a good question.
37:19
Are the pieces. Why do we think?
37:20
I mean, because again, I kind of go back to, I think it's people
37:25
that have pretty extensive collections.
37:27
Yeah, is my sentence. Because it is, I think part of
37:31
having it is the experience of having him come and do his thing
37:35
in front of you and getting to have like sort of the
37:37
comprehensive. Experience.
37:38
Yeah, Yeah. But I don't think our friend,
37:41
actually, I think he bought it once it'd been done.
37:45
The reason he's got his, one of the reasons is that he does a
37:49
lot of work for charity and I'll kids sick kids, right?
37:53
And they love the visuals of that.
37:54
Car. There you go.
37:56
They actually love it so. But he's also got a singer,
37:58
right? So right.
38:00
I think we need to ask Eric to come on the show.
38:02
Yeah, yeah, I think he'd be fun anyway to have on and but I do
38:06
have to wonder like what are what's the resale on those?
38:08
Because if you're starting with a car that's say A50 or $60,000,
38:11
you know, 964993 or not, it wouldn't be a 993, but like A996
38:16
or something, right. I mean, assume you're starting
38:18
with a car that isn't perfect, right?
38:19
You're probably starting with a car that you're a little more OK
38:22
with cutting into with the Sawzall right?
38:25
Like if the car is a $50,000 car and he you know, he's $30,000 to
38:30
fly here from Japan and and you know, yeah.
38:32
Is that an $80,000 car at the end?
38:33
Is it a $180,000 car or is it a $30,000 car?
38:37
Like how does that how does that translate?
38:39
And I. Think you're going to have
38:40
another heart attack, Ryan? Because these cars go up
38:43
significantly in value like like hundred 200,000.
38:48
Really. They're greater than the sum of
38:50
their parts, huh? Yeah.
38:52
Well, because it's so polarizing, like we've
38:55
demonstrated, like love them or hate them, people have strong
38:59
opinions and the people that like them really like him.
39:01
Yeah, yeah, well, he's booked out for at least a year, so you
39:06
won't be able to hire him in time for my 50th.
39:08
Well, he's going to have an opening at your.
39:10
Birthday. Apparently.
39:12
Suddenly there's a window. Yeah, exactly.
39:14
Could you like, do you have it in you to sit down with like a,
39:17
with like a, you know, a torch or you know, a saw and like cut
39:21
into something like that just like, because he doesn't like,
39:24
you know, he doesn't draw anything out.
39:26
He just sits down and starts cutting.
39:27
So sometimes they're asymmetrical.
39:29
It's like. I don't think.
39:31
Physically, my arm could lift that to the, you know, to the
39:34
sheet metal and I don't. Know I feel like it's kind of
39:38
it's the same idea of like some people buy plates just to break
39:42
them. I think there was something like
39:45
I feel like. Where are these people?
39:48
The Greeks the. Genius as well you must be.
39:50
On. They're like rules schmools.
39:53
I better. Throw.
39:53
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think there could be something
39:56
freeing about it because you're taking out the preciousness.
39:59
Yes, yes. And you're going.
40:01
I'm going to do what I want and make this piece of art,
40:04
basically. Yeah, that I can get in and
40:06
drive if I want. But yeah, I mean, it's like
40:10
you're you're giving. He's giving himself permission
40:13
to do what he likes. And it's resonated with people
40:17
more. People than just him.
40:20
And I don't know, I mean, I think there's something cool
40:22
about that. Just going like, hey, this is
40:24
what I feel moved to do and I'm not going to go like, well, I
40:26
can't. This is too important.
40:28
Like, you know. More fun than banana duct tape
40:30
to a canvas, right? Exactly.
40:32
And I would argue that he's been influential, right?
40:34
That he's, you know, that other people are sort of aping his
40:37
style and and, you know, I just, maybe I'm just jealous.
40:40
Maybe I want to be that cool. Maybe I want to wear my pajamas
40:42
and fly the world with a cigarette in my mouth.
40:45
It's just you questioning. All in my places.
40:47
And you're like, had I known that being flown around the
40:50
world in my PJ's was an option, I would have made some
40:52
different. Choices fine, Ryan up.
40:57
No, go ahead, Dan. I was just going to say I think
40:59
his cars actually appear in some video games.
41:02
Oh, really? That's another element of with
41:06
the, Yeah, yeah. I mean, and big kids who still
41:09
play video games too, obviously. Yeah, but I went to art school.
41:13
I think I'm the only one on this this show that went to art
41:15
school. And that was always the
41:16
question, like, how do you make it bigger, right?
41:18
You gotta, you gotta have to add that shock value.
41:20
You have to do something that no one else has done right, And
41:24
it's worth, you know what people will pay for it, right, your
41:26
artwork. And so I, I maybe that's the way
41:28
to look at it. You know, that this is, he's a
41:30
performance artist. This is art.
41:32
You know that, that it's, it's, I'm looking at it through the
41:34
wrong lens, you know, and it wouldn't be the IT wouldn't.
41:39
But of course I'm bothered by these people that like, you
41:41
know, cut a car in half and put it on the wall too.
41:43
Like there's something I I assign way too much like I don't
41:46
humanity to these. Well, yeah, Well, now, OK.
41:50
So let me offer a counterpoint to your perspective on that
41:53
being done. So one of the cars that I
41:56
learned to drive in was an 85 Bronco, as I have never
42:00
mentioned before on the show. And when that car started to
42:04
have like consistent problems to the point that really my dad was
42:08
the only one that could drive it, we all sat around and none
42:13
of us wanted to let the car go because that had been the car
42:17
the bulk of mine and my siblings childhood, like all the family
42:20
Rd. trips were in that car. We had all learned to drive in
42:23
that car that had, it was my grandfather's car before we had
42:28
it. So, so much history.
42:30
And we were looking at it and my parents have like a blank like
42:33
the back of the garage wall in the backyard.
42:35
And we went, what if we cut the car off behind the front I know
42:41
and mounted it to the wall and put a BBQ where the engine goes.
42:46
Well. That's very SoCal of you.
42:49
Up until that point, I was going to say it's like the old
42:51
Labrador that you make a decision on whether to put it
42:53
down or not, but you don't stuff it and put it on the wall, do
42:56
you? Some people do.
42:58
But you know what's hilarious? So that was and the car ended up
43:01
being donated in 2005. So it's been 20 years at this
43:05
point and my dad still says we should have done it.
43:09
Now everyone wants him and they're paying up, you know, for
43:12
these things. I know.
43:13
Did you ever? Had our own Bronco BBQ.
43:16
Do you ever have the show Wonder Years in the UK, Dan?
43:19
Yes, with. French Savage, yes, and there
43:21
was this. It's been years since I've seen
43:23
this thing, but there was this wonderful episode where the
43:26
whole family, they have a station wagon that they've had,
43:28
they've all grown up in. Oh yeah.
43:29
After 20 years, it's a Sunday Every, the whole family gets
43:32
together, washes it, you know, that cleans it.
43:34
They take it to the car dealership and the car
43:36
dealership wants to give them like pennies on, you know, the
43:38
dollar of what they think it's worth.
43:39
And they end up keeping it, you know.
43:40
Yeah. It's just, you know, that's
43:42
there's a lot of whatever wrapped up in these, these
43:45
inanimate objects, you know, and, and it's, I guess some of
43:48
us are easier or have an easier time of making that separation
43:53
then. Yeah, no, they, they definitely
43:58
certain ones sort of worm their way into our hearts.
44:00
They do. They do.
44:01
Family and yeah, but it's interesting, Dan, that you said
44:05
the part of the reason that our friend of the show has an RWB is
44:09
because it resonates with kids. Because my only real experience
44:13
with RWB was when my daughter and my dad and I got to go up
44:16
and tour the part of the Galpin collection that's at GAS a
44:21
couple years ago. And they have a nice shop and
44:25
you can get basically like souvenirs and gas merch and that
44:28
kind of stuff. And I told my daughter she could
44:30
pick something and she chose a, an RC car that was a purple RWB
44:36
Porsche. Wow.
44:38
And so it again, resonated with her.
44:41
There's something about it that definitely resonates with kids,
44:43
which is interesting. And our friend of the show, you
44:46
know you're willing to let us drive it.
44:48
Maybe that's what we need to. There's a there's a magazine
44:51
article in that, isn't there? Right.
44:53
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think there is.
44:54
And you know what and and just to to pile on then we can move
44:57
on. I guess it really depends
44:59
heavily more heavily than usually than than it usually
45:02
would on on the donor car, right.
45:04
You know, if you start out with something, start with a 930
45:06
turbo, it's going to be more exciting car rate maybe than
45:08
than something else. But.
45:11
Can I give a shout out, please? I wanted to give a shout out to
45:14
Ryan Carl Media on Instagram. Yeah, because he gave us some
45:17
really nice feedback and he basically said he loves
45:20
listening to the show and, and I had to check he was talking
45:24
about our show and he was. So yeah, Ryan, thank you and
45:28
thanks for listening. Yeah, thanks man.
45:29
Appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, he he does a, a
45:32
great, I don't know what you want to call like a newsletter
45:35
about cars and post it to Instagram and where he focuses
45:39
on a a singular model and had a couple of discussions with him
45:42
offline about just just cool cars and stuff.
45:46
So I don't know. What do you know where Ryan is?
45:49
He last time we chatted he'd been to Europe, so I don't know
45:52
where he, I can't remember where he's based, but I know he's been
45:54
to Europe. Can we play?
45:56
Let's wind up Jorge for the next 5 minutes.
45:59
I think I know what you're going to get at here, Dan.
46:01
What could you possibly be working up to?
46:04
Our friend Jorge Aquino of Tormenting Tarmac sent us a text
46:08
and basically said, guys, if you talk about the new Corvette this
46:12
week, I want in. I've got an opinion.
46:15
This of course is the. Is it the ZR1?
46:19
X ZR1X, which is a tribute to the father of the Corvette,
46:23
which is Zora. So this is an all-wheel drive
46:28
monster. It does notice 60 in under 2
46:32
seconds. And I'm kind of thinking what's
46:35
the point to be quite frank, because you know, they've
46:39
already got the ZR1, which is super quick and you know, and
46:42
all the rest. So obviously this is now
46:44
all-wheel drive, which means it's even more, you know, stable
46:47
on the roads and stuff. But it's like, does the world
46:50
need another quick Corvette? Or does it need an all-wheel
46:54
drive? One that feels.
46:55
Very, it's a great one already. So the what's the name of the
46:59
model? There's an electric the.
47:01
E Ray. The E Ray thank you.
47:04
So that is all-wheel drive already, but a pure ICE
47:07
all-wheel drive is the new one. Well, I love that they're coming
47:11
in so many flavors, right? Because I mean, even the
47:13
standard Stingray is a very quick car right out-of-the-box,
47:17
right? The 06 right there's the ZR1,
47:21
you've got the E ray now you've got the ZR1 XI.
47:25
Think it would have to be all-wheel drive with 12150
47:27
horsepower And Dan sent me over a couple notes and I thought it
47:31
says 12150 horsepower and sub 2 seconds zero to 16.
47:34
I thought the next line was why isn't it faster?
47:37
But you say you posit the question, why isn't it at Pikes
47:40
Peak? Yeah.
47:42
Because that would, I think, do quite well.
47:44
Yeah, perfect. Pike's Peak car.
47:46
I'm not sure if it's the perfect car for cars and coffee on a
47:48
Sunday. Right, that is the ultimate
47:50
Pike's Peak car. What?
47:51
What do these things cost? They haven't announced it yet.
47:55
OK, OK. But but the I think the ZR1 is
47:57
like 145. Which is crazy.
48:00
This is like this is supercar performance.
48:03
Hypercar. Yeah.
48:04
Or hyper. Well, that's what this new one
48:05
will be. A hypercar, you know, performing
48:08
car. So maybe we need to invite Jorge
48:11
onto the show so he can show us the light, tell us why it's a
48:15
cool car and why we should care about it.
48:17
I think the problem with it was 117° in Phoenix today.
48:20
I think it was into his head. Wow, I.
48:24
Mean you can't argue with the the specs.
48:26
Come on, you know. And and assumingly the price
48:29
when it comes out. Yeah, yeah.
48:31
I mean, you can't get a Porsche, you know, with that kind of
48:35
horsepower at any price. You know, this is AGM.
48:38
This is a Chevy. It's crazy.
48:41
Yeah, that's, I don't know, I got nothing.
48:44
Who is it for though? It's a good question.
48:48
Track people, I guess it's got to be a track car, isn't it?
48:51
But what track? Right.
48:53
Yeah. I mean, that's so powerful.
48:56
Like there's a lot of tracks that it would OverDrive, yeah.
49:00
Yeah, and probably would be too noisy for as well.
49:03
Yeah, we should be celebrating this.
49:04
I mean, this is again golden would be what?
49:10
I said, should we? Though I just hope they fall
49:13
into the right hand. Oh hey, we need you.
49:15
We need your help. Here we need you to be our
49:17
Sherpa through this. I mean, he's welcome to make a
49:20
case. I make no promises that I will
49:22
change my mind. Skepticism.
49:25
How would one of those be at the Bradford Racing School?
49:28
Dan and. It'd begin on the drag strip.
49:30
Yeah, yeah, it'd be so big on the drag strip.
49:33
Yeah. Ultra cross?
49:34
Not so much. It seems like it's so purpose
49:37
built, which I guess you could argue about a lot of cars
49:40
available these days, but just it seems like the number of
49:43
people that could actually use it are so few.
49:46
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, Speaking of performancey
49:50
things, the the new F-150 Lobo has been announced.
49:54
Doesn't have 12150 horsepower, but has 400.
49:58
Not bad. What do we like?
49:59
Because you're, you know, this is kind of your, your zone.
50:03
Lindsay, do you like these? I know I I'm going to plead.
50:07
I was in France and I know nothing.
50:09
About this Oh, you don't? OK.
50:11
Did Jim not tell you you were thinking dogs out?
50:13
We were too busy eating ice cream and watching very fast
50:16
cars. I love that.
50:18
Just the image of you sitting next to Jim Farley eating ice
50:21
cream. It's it's it's it's.
50:24
An Adam. Sandler Production You.
50:25
Know, right? I love that image as well.
50:27
Yeah, I'm a big fan. I could do it again this week.
50:31
Right, right. But no, no real thoughts on
50:35
this. So it's you know, it's what was
50:36
the other one that came? It was at the Maverick Lobo.
50:39
They did do, yeah. Yeah.
50:41
But this is supposed to be like a historical successor to the
50:45
Lightning. Yes, that's well, you're gonna
50:47
have to go drive one and tell us which.
50:49
Yeah, Lindsay, do some research and let us know what you think.
50:52
Do we like the disc wheels? I saw a second Gen. lightning on
50:55
the road the other day which is the.
50:57
Second clear side. Yes, yeah, like step side or
51:00
whatever. Yeah.
51:02
Yeah, single cab, just like the first Gen.
51:05
In red. In red were they?
51:06
Were they all red? No, some were yellow, right?
51:09
I don't know. I know a lot of them were red.
51:11
Yeah. Yeah, First Gen. it was red and
51:13
black. Yeah.
51:16
And I think they made black ones second Gen. too, I think.
51:20
But yeah, you don't see, especially that generation, you
51:22
don't see very many of them. So definitely definitely turned
51:25
my head when I saw it the other day.
51:28
Well, you need to go investigate the new Lobo and get back to us,
51:30
I think. I think Ford instead, now that
51:32
you're buddies with Jim. Jim Prescar.
51:35
I have the I have another show here, Friend of the show Travis
51:41
Pastrana. What now?
51:45
So Travis was involved with a Corvette and a jump.
51:50
So Travis has got this, this place called Pastrana Land, and
51:56
it's basically an adult playground for cars, bikes,
51:59
canams, the whole lot. And he posted a video last week
52:02
of Jim Duffy, who is a member of the Nitro Circus, which is
52:08
Travis's group, and he jumped to Corvette C8 and managed to land
52:15
it. And Jim is no stranger to
52:18
jumping vehicles because he has the world record for limo
52:22
jumping. Second, mention the limos
52:24
tonight. Just.
52:24
Say yeah, 3 for the the win, right?
52:28
If you haven't seen it, The interesting thing for me is he
52:32
only just makes it and he doesn't only just make it
52:35
because he he lost confidence. The car actually stopped and the
52:41
car cut off just before he's about to take off, so.
52:45
So did Momentum launch him then? Yes, yeah.
52:50
And he was, they've looked to the telemetry and everything and
52:53
he didn't lift. So it was definitely a car
52:56
feature. So they don't know why, but he
52:58
made it. It's the good news and he's safe
53:00
and well and everything else. But check out the video and
53:03
Travis does some analysis on the video and.
53:06
So what were they jumping it over?
53:08
Just it was just two sets of mound, earth mound.
53:12
From 1:00 to the. Other why are they called memo
53:14
jumps? No, he, he, he's got the world
53:18
record. Oh, and that's a separate thing,
53:19
OK? Yeah, OK.
53:20
He's got the world record for the the furthest you can jump a
53:23
limo, and he did it. I see.
53:24
OK. I thought he was jumping over
53:26
the limos. Yeah, I see.
53:27
I see. What kind of limo did he jump?
53:30
We'll need to look it out and sorry, Jim York, we'll need to
53:33
look it up and and come back to you.
53:35
But it was interesting because I did some work with Duffy and
53:38
York when they came to Dirtfish, so they actually went on a Co
53:44
drivers course and yeah, so they actually competed in a round of
53:48
the ARA. So the good guys, and I think by
53:52
default they're friends of the show.
53:54
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I have if we need a
53:56
third limo mention I have a story from.
53:58
Here we go. Let's end on it because we're 55
54:01
minutes, yeah. So when I was a freshman in high
54:04
school, the winter formal dance was coming up and the group that
54:08
I was going with, we were trying to figure out transportation.
54:11
And, you know, limos were not cheap.
54:14
And it turned out that one of my parents neighbors owned a limo.
54:19
He's done a lot of cars for movies and that kind of thing.
54:21
So he has a very interesting collection.
54:23
And one of them was a Lincoln Town Car limo from the 80s.
54:29
And so we called and asked if we could rent it from him.
54:32
And long story. Just the car, not the car and
54:34
driver car. OK.
54:37
And he very generously loaned it to us, but my parents ended up
54:42
being the limo driver. But did you make them wear the
54:45
little hat? No, they did that on their own.
54:48
Actually, yes. Black pants, white shirts, limo
54:53
cap and yes, we had this brown Lincoln Town Car limo from the
54:58
80s that was. Our chariot for the That's
55:00
amazing. That's amazing.
55:01
Was that because they wanted to be chaperones?
55:05
As a parent myself, it's entirely possible.
55:07
Didn't occur to me at the time. No.
55:09
But grateful. Chauffeur, damn it.
55:13
And like nothing like taking your parents to your.
55:17
Dance. Do you have any limo experience?
55:20
Not that I can share on this show that.
55:23
Was until senior year, though, right, or whatever you call it
55:26
in the Uki only have one limo experience that I can remember
55:29
and that's when I was in college and we were all very excited.
55:32
A group of my friends decided we're going to New York.
55:34
We were living in Chicago at the time.
55:37
A couple of friends I think of ours graduated and we're in New
55:40
York. My sister was living in New York
55:41
and so we probably flew whatever the equivalent of Spirit
55:44
Airlines, you know, was at the time.
55:47
But we, one of the girls in the, in the, the group had a part
55:50
time job at a bank and they had a Christmas party.
55:53
She won a free limo ride. It was one of these things,
55:55
right? And it already seems a little
55:57
suspicious. Not at all.
56:00
So we gathered this apartment when this thing rolls up and I
56:03
think it was like a funeral limo, right?
56:05
Which is like a little different.
56:06
It had 6 doors. It wasn't your typical, It was
56:09
white, it had purple tint that was bubbling and it had a bullet
56:12
hole in the back window. And I'll never forget that it it
56:16
it. That's a nice touch.
56:18
Yeah, put a it's like a wet blanket, you know, on the.
56:21
Didn't have the the hearse swoop on it though.
56:25
I don't know about that just. So maybe this was the limo that
56:30
followed. Right, right, right.
56:31
This is where the grieving family.
56:34
It wasn't a wooden box. I think that would have been a
56:37
hearse this was that may have been preferable, you know?
56:41
Don't mind the bullet hole or the wooden box, Please see
56:44
yourself. Yeah, and we're going to get the
56:45
free limo the. Ice bucket is full.
56:48
It's like when I was a kid and we Karate kid, the first Karate
56:51
kid was in the movie theaters and, and in the lobby there was
56:54
like the local Dojo set up a stand where you could win free
56:57
karate glasses. And so of course, I send up two
57:00
days later, I get this thing in the mail.
57:02
You've won free karate classes, not realizing everyone wins free
57:05
karate classes. So you know it's older and
57:09
wiser, right? So.
57:10
That's yeah. No, but that's you kind of have
57:12
a little bit of the wondering. I never win anything.
57:15
This is amazing. Dan McGinnis wins, wins things.
57:19
That's true, except for our friend Dan McGinnis, who wins
57:21
cards. Anyway.
57:23
We've got some options for titles with this show so far.
57:26
I've got a lot of visual rivets, Bronco barbecues.
57:33
Yeah. Which sounds awful, right?
57:35
Like you're grilling up a horse, right?
57:37
Yeah, it's. Oh, and they do three karate
57:40
lessons. And they do serve horse still in
57:45
France. Absolutely.
57:46
The French word for horse is cheval.
57:49
So or Big Mac. Royale with cheese.
57:54
Royale with the ball with cheese.
57:57
Wow, yeah, you don't think about that.
57:59
They do in Japan though too, so. They're yeah, they're France is
58:02
not the only. One I just, yeah.
58:04
I forgot and yeah, I saw it on the menu at the restaurant.
58:09
Snails. Horse.
58:11
All sorts of creatures, all creatures great and small on the
58:15
menu. Don't worry, we got our own
58:17
problems. Yeah, anyway, All right,
58:21
anything else before we call this a show?
58:24
I think we're good. We've offended the French.
58:27
We've updated the Youtubes. We've offended RWB owners, yeah,
58:31
yeah. We've got all our shows to date
58:33
are on YouTube, whether that's right or not so.
58:35
So stop in and literally see us. Yes, I think you have to search
58:38
for that car show podcast and that'll get you there.
58:41
And last time I checked, we had all of 12 subscribers.
58:44
So please do go and hit that subscribe bell, I think as they
58:49
say, and you'll be in good company because 1, Johnny
58:52
Lieberman is one of those 12 who's following us, so he knows
58:55
what he's doing, right? So thank you, Sir.
58:57
Content when he sees it. He recognizes content, huh?
59:02
Good. Content good, Content good.
59:04
Content all. Right, on that note, thank you
59:08
for joining us. Thank you, Lindsay.
59:10
Thank you, Dan. I'm can't wait to come back next
59:12
week and see where else you've travelled or what else you've
59:15
been up to, Dan. And on that note, can.
59:19
You say it in French. Oh, can you, Lindsay?
59:23
I'm going to look it up. Real quick, ask 3 but.
59:25
Hang on. Yeah, ask our research
59:27
assistant. Pujour on Oh, that's always a
59:31
bit the wheel. Wait, always be in the act of
59:35
driving. OK, and always be eating horse.
59:39
Always be in the act of driving while eating horse.
59:42
Tujour on train de condua. And on that note, where that car
59:47
show? Tujour conduig would be my.
59:51
That's my interpretation and my new favorite wine is Jean.
59:54
Yay. What is it which means?
59:56
Find the Hidden S It's a white wine.
59:59
It's a white wine that's very fruit forward and so it tastes
1:00:03
like it has more sugar than Sauvignon Blanc or Chardonnay,
1:00:07
but it doesn't. How much sugar does source have?
1:00:10
UE Mon Ice cream gym. Is this still the show?
1:00:15
Have we? We got we got to get out of
1:00:17
here, all right. All right, well, this one's
1:00:19
going to take some editing, but it was a fun show.
1:00:22
Thank you both. And until next week, where that
1:00:25
car show always be driving. Always be driving.
1:00:28
Thanks guys.