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Lando and McLaren's First Engine Failure of the Season Gives Oscar a Comfortable Lead in the Drivers Championship - 2025 Dutch Grand Prix Review · The Undercut

• 0:00
  Speaker A: Foreign.
• 0:08
  Speaker B: Thanks for tuning in to the Undercut's review of the 2025 Dutch Grand Prix. Please rate, review and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and enjoy the show. By being a racing driver, you are under risk all the time. By being a racing driver means you are racing with other people. And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you're no longer a racing driver. All right, Martin. Well, we're back from the summer break and we're back with the Dutch Grand Prix, which Max had won, what, three times in a row coming into this one.
• 0:44
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, this is Dutch, the home Grand Prix for. For Max. So the stands are filled with. With orange for his army. But then I guess the fans are filled. The stands are filled with orange or papaya for the McLaren fans, too, so it's hard to tell the difference.
• 1:03
  Speaker B: They all looked very, very Dutch orange. Not necessarily papaya orange.
• 1:10
  Speaker A: But I was.
• 1:11
  Speaker B: I was happy that Sky Sports was at least hinting that it was possible that there were some Clarence fans there.
• 1:19
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. Obviously they. They love Max out there. He's not having the season that they've seen past few years, of course, but the Max army out in force, for sure. Yeah.
• 1:31
  Speaker B: And I mean, really, all weekend, it was looking like Lando was the top guy, but ultimately, Oscar was able to take pole and keep it throughout the whole entire race. What did they call the Grand Slam? He had got pole at every lap, had the fastest lap, and won the race. So it's.
• 1:51
  Speaker A: That's crazy. Yeah. Lando. I'm looking for my predictions for the race. Yeah, Lando, what? He led every session, Every practice session, which is unusual in itself because usually you're trying different settings, you know, different fuel loads, you know, whatever it might be. So all signs pointed, yeah, Strongly towards Lando doing something. But piastri, once. Once it came time to qualify, he just. Although, in qualifying, unusually, it was not their last lap. That was the fastest lap. Right. For both of them. They were pushing to try and get back, get the pole position, but it was their earlier laps that actually counted, which is a little unusual.
• 2:36
  Speaker B: Yeah, they both had little moments in their final laps, and that was at.
• 2:42
  Speaker A: But, I mean, Hajar was the big surprise in qualifying. Right. Qualified fifth. Did he fourth?
• 2:49
  Speaker B: He was fourth.
• 2:51
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 2:51
  Speaker B: Yeah. P4. I was able to take that to his first podium ever. I mean, obviously there was a little. A little luck for him that got him into that position.
• 3:06
  Speaker A: A lot of. A lot of luck for him and bad luck for others, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I guess.
• 3:10
  Speaker B: Really the bad luck is for Lando, right?
• 3:14
  Speaker A: You have to be there.
• 3:15
  Speaker B: That one final spot.
• 3:16
  Speaker A: You have to be there. Yeah, but you have to make your own luck, right? You have to be there to pick it up. Could have been anybody that's in that position. Plenty of trouble.
• 3:24
  Speaker B: George will tell you. George will tell you.
• 3:27
  Speaker A: Yeah, he's usually the recipient, isn't he? George? He just tootles around, we don't talk about him, and then suddenly, boop, I'm on the podium.
• 3:34
  Speaker B: Yeah, exactly.
• 3:37
  Speaker A: Yeah. No, great for. Great for Ajar. I mean, what. His first race of the season, he dunked it in the rain on the formation lap into the wall, Right?
• 3:46
  Speaker B: That's right.
• 3:47
  Speaker A: In Australia. And everybody's like, oh, no, that's not good right now the memes. Hajar is like, oh, I got the podium. Yay. And then, like, Red Bull tapping you on the shoulder. And he's like, oh, no, they're going to offer me the other Red Bulls.
• 4:07
  Speaker B: You're right.
• 4:08
  Speaker A: I don't. I don't want it.
• 4:10
  Speaker B: No, I mean, I was thinking about that. Like, are they going to try and do that? And would that be smart of him to. I mean, do you have to accept at that point?
• 4:19
  Speaker A: I don't. I. Somebody's got to be the first person to turn it down or maybe people have turned it down that, you know, that we don't know about. But, yeah, I guess all this stuff goes on in the back rooms, but those two racing bulls out, both outperforming the other Red Bull, Tsunoda, in the Red Bull, like, race after race almost.
• 4:45
  Speaker B: Although I guess Yuki was able to beat Liam this weekend.
• 4:49
  Speaker A: Well, yeah, that's true. I mean, he did not. I state. I stated that like it was facts. Except for this race Yuki beat.
• 4:56
  Speaker B: Finally, he was able to beat Liam.
• 4:58
  Speaker A: But they're competitive, right? It's not a slam dunk that Yuki's gonna beat them or vice versa, unlike Verstappen. So who knows what that means for Hajar. Whilst we're talking about Hajar, I sent you a text. I don't know if you see it. Did you see the video of him breaking the trophy?
• 5:14
  Speaker B: No.
• 5:15
  Speaker A: They were doing the big photo with all the team in front of the pit, right. With all the team behind there. And he didn't put it down hard. He was holding it like a wine glass, almost, like round the thinnest part, and he just put it down on the concrete, and it was just hard enough that it just d and snapped enough.
• 5:34
  Speaker B: Maybe they should stop making these things so Fragile. I mean they're getting flung around and banged into things 100%.
• 5:42
  Speaker A: These ceramic China trophies are not built to last. Yeah, the LEGO trophy seem to hold hold together better than these ones.
• 5:51
  Speaker B: We've got like prongs holding them together. It works. They should just make them all Lego trophies from here on out the leg.
• 5:59
  Speaker A: Don't, please. Let's leave the Lego trophies in the, in the past. Poor old Hulkenberg 248 Grand Prix to get a trophy, it's made a Lego. Oh my God. Poor guy. Anywho, but yeah, Hajar, I mean, yeah, that's great. Let's see what, what he can, what he can do with it. But yeah, fantastic weekend for him. Yeah.
• 6:19
  Speaker B: I mean him and Max were able to move up a spot obviously because Lando had the first McLaren like failure of the season, which is crazy that we've gotten to this point without a failure from the whole team. But a really crucial moment for it to happen. I mean, he was pushing to take the win from Oscar. It's unlikely, he probably would have taken it. But still, I mean, let's just say in theory he takes it, he takes that race. It's a two point advantage. But now what is it like a 38 point advantage with him completely out of the race?
• 6:53
  Speaker A: It was a nine point gap, I think before the race. And that's 25 points for the win. Right. So yeah, 34 point gap. I mean, Lando did not seem to have the measure of Oscar at all. He was fast enough to be close.
• 7:09
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 7:10
  Speaker A: But he was not fast enough to overtake. And again, overtaking seemed to be not as bad as Hungary the last race. But overtaking definitely an issue again at this race. Although the best spot to do it seemed to be around the outside of. What is it? Is it the first turn or the second? Yeah, because. Is that because of the banking that helps with the different lines?
• 7:32
  Speaker B: It's a little bit of banking there, but yeah. However, not as much. Yeah, set up it. It works that way there.
• 7:39
  Speaker A: But I mean, yeah, I mean, once again going back to the start, Piastri had off pole, Piastra had a good start, Lando in second. You know, Max just went right around the outside of him. Yeah. And slid the car. Right.
• 7:54
  Speaker B: It looked like he was going to crash.
• 7:55
  Speaker A: It looked like he was going to crash. And if you slide the car like that, you have to think that you lose oodles of momentum and you just get swallowed up by the car. But somehow that didn't happen. I guess people being more tentative. It Was maybe it was the slowest part, slower part of the track. I don't know.
• 8:12
  Speaker B: I think Lando thought he was going to crash too because he took like a really, really defensive line out of run way for thinking that he's going to spin around and that's kind of like he couldn't. He got a slow. Get out out of there.
• 8:26
  Speaker A: So maybe, maybe Lando. Lando was a victim of Max's fast reactions in the. Lando assumed he was going to be there, but Max caught it, kept the spot and yeah, I mean I guess ultimately it, it didn't matter. Like lando's. No, the McLaren was fast enough. What it took until about lap nine, I think he finally took Max around the outside. Yeah, returned the favor. But once, once he was around, he really couldn't. He just was. The race was managed between him and Piastri, it seemed. He was never really that close, was he?
• 9:03
  Speaker B: No, not really. I mean he might have brought it into DRS for like a moment, but then just Oscar just put his foot down and was able to pull back out and that was really it.
• 9:17
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. And then what was the first thing that happened then was that sort of rain started to fall around what, lap 23. They were talking a lot about rain, heavy rain, but it ended up being very, very light. But enough that it seems that Lewis, yeah, he went around, he put his wheels on the, on the paint, on the advertising and they'd been doing that all race, but just got the balance wrong, got the power wrong, lost traction, bit of water and yeah, just into the wall and race over.
• 9:54
  Speaker B: Yeah, and it was also right when Charles had come in, right, so brought out the safety car and George was able to come in and take the spot from Charles because he had the shorter pit stop.
• 10:06
  Speaker A: Charles. Charles did the pit stop with the lap before. Yeah, the crash. So his pit stop was under full race conditions. So he didn't get the cheap pit stop that everybody else did under the, under the safety car. Others that stopped earlier were stroll. Strolls are very early, like lap eight. For some reason on his mediums he put on hards. Alonso and Sonoda stopped on lap 18 and 19, but yeah, everybody else pretty much just took, took the free stop. Lap 23 and then after the restart, obviously Hamilton's was a safety car. Then after the restart, Lawson and Sainz came together. What do you think of that?
• 10:52
  Speaker B: Honestly, I don't even know what to think of this one. Honestly, I feel like it's more of a racing incident than the crash. Later in the race where this one was more like they each could have done a little bit of something that could have avoided it, but neither of them did and they crashed. I thought the penalty was harsh on Carlos.
• 11:13
  Speaker A: I thought it was crazy. I mean, we should start writing this stuff down, right. So we can have a list to sort of like compare 10 second penalty to 10 second penalty, you know, because. Sure. I think we've had situations in past races where people are deliberately driving into other drivers and getting 10 second penalties.
• 11:30
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 11:30
  Speaker A: This one was like Sykes was there behind him, but, you know, Lawson just moved across and it just, I mean, by an inch or two, they, they touched. It was just the front wing of science in the back of Lawson. It's just a misjudgment. It happens. It's racing. To say that that was all science's fault and to hand out a 10 second penalty, I mean, especially after both of them had to, to come in to. To do repairs, you know, Science had to change his front wing, which is a 10 second penalty in itself. I don't know what message this. The stewards. Stewards were trying to send there. So I'm. Science was. Science was like, I'm gonna go talk to the students.
• 12:09
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 12:09
  Speaker A: I wonder whether they let him or not. I don't know. Yeah, but yeah, I wasn't a fan of that at all.
• 12:16
  Speaker B: No, me either. Yeah, I mean, like you said, I mean, Carlos could have backed out. He didn't have the corner, so he could have backed out, but Liam didn't have to move over so much. So.
• 12:25
  Speaker A: Yeah, the car. Yeah, we see that. We say all the time, like on opening corners and stuff. Like at the start of the race, you see cars touching like that all the time, you know?
• 12:34
  Speaker B: Yeah. And I mean, it was a restart, right?
• 12:37
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, kind. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that's right. It was just on the restart. Yeah. So everybody's close. Yeah. But then we get the overtake of the season so far, right? Charles on Russell. What, what, what a move. I mean, that was just pure driving instinct from Charles. Not a problem with this overtake at all. Saw the gap, took it, you know, I mean, just give him the trophy.
• 13:05
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:09
  Speaker A: Every time I see the replay, I'm like, how did he go? There was no space. Like, Russell hits the apex of the corner on going left and Charles is on the inside of him in a massive Formula one car.
• 13:23
  Speaker B: These are some scarlet red tinted glasses right here.
• 13:29
  Speaker A: Did we. Have we seen an angle that shows like all four wheels off the track? I guess they're probably still looking at it. Right.
• 13:35
  Speaker B: At least an angle from the back. I feel like that's really the one we have to see is if that back tire went off or not the back. Right.
• 13:45
  Speaker A: Is the rules that all four tyres have to be off at the same time?
• 13:51
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 13:52
  Speaker A: Because I feel like that corner's sharp enough and the cars are big enough that as the front tyres are coming back on the track, like, the back tyres could be going off the track or something. You can kind of cut the corner a little bit because that apex is not as long as the car, so. Sure.
• 14:10
  Speaker B: I mean. I mean, it definitely could have gone either way. But it looked. First glance that he went off track, I saw that and I was like, there's no way that dude stayed on track. There's absolutely no way. But it looks like that back tire. It's possible it could have stayed on, but I haven't seen it.
• 14:26
  Speaker A: It's possible that it went off the track as the front wheels were coming back on the track. I think that might be the situation, but I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it either. But I think leclerc, he's just. He is getting more aggressive. Right. Leclaire, he's just, like, effort.
• 14:41
  Speaker B: Like, he's frustrated.
• 14:43
  Speaker A: Yeah. You know, if I see a gap, I gotta go for it. That's the center quote, right. Which you can put. You can put it in the paraphrase, but, yeah, you can just cut the podcast right now. There you go. And then you just said the center quote.
• 14:58
  Speaker B: That's it. Yeah, that's mic drop. Senna said it.
• 15:03
  Speaker A: Go for the gap. If you don't go for the gap, you're no longer a racing driver.
• 15:06
  Speaker B: I guess so.
• 15:07
  Speaker A: Yeah. But, I mean, Russell wasn't happy, and I guess we'll see what happens.
• 15:12
  Speaker B: I mean, George is getting all these little moments with different drivers. Obviously, Max last year, and this is the. At least the second coming together with. With Charles. Although, honestly, it was really the move down the straight, which I found weirder than that move when he, like, cut across.
• 15:32
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 15:32
  Speaker B: Straight right after that, it just looked unnecessary.
• 15:35
  Speaker A: But lots of. Yeah, lots of, like, moving around to defend. Yeah, definitely. Whatever. You know, we're coming to the end of this era now of Formula one cars. But whatever they did, like, three, four years ago with the new regs to sort of make overtaking easier and stuff like that, that's all been kind of, like, borne out now. So these big cars, you can't follow as close anymore. You know, people are defending the Line a bit more. So we'll see what comes in next year with all this additional power from the battery that you can use at different times. And there's no DRS next year. Right? That's. That's gone, I think. Yeah, they're just using like push to pass like, like extra battery power and stuff. Yeah.
• 16:19
  Speaker B: So that's what they've been doing in IndyCar and it seems to work pretty right.
• 16:24
  Speaker A: So. Right, so. So we'll see. But yeah, maybe leclerc will get something out of that. But I thought it was great as a. I mean I am a Ferrari fan for those.
• 16:35
  Speaker B: Well, I guess we can let. Let Charles have that good moment because after that when he came into the pits, I guess Kimmy came into the pits to. And. And Charles was responding so that he wouldn't get undercut, although I wasn't sure he would be able to get undercut anyway. But they brought him in and Kimmy just understeered in that heavily banked corner right into Charles and took off his entire front wing.
• 17:04
  Speaker A: So Charles came out of the pits clearly in front of Antonelli. I mean it was close, but obviously Charles's tires would be slightly colder. They went round the. Was it the very first corner or is it a couple of corners after that? I think they went.
• 17:18
  Speaker B: It was a couple corners after that. Yeah, they did like the, the like SS part. They come from that like really heavily banked one.
• 17:27
  Speaker A: Kim. Kimmy was just listening to Senna's quote on his radio. He was like, oh, I see a gap. And he went for it down the inside. And yeah, I mean, yeah, Charles was way up on the outside of the corner and Kimmy just slid. The car just understeered right, right into him and then boom. And Charles's car was just destroyed right the front. The nose came off, he spun around, the back tire came off. Dirt everywhere.
• 17:50
  Speaker B: Yeah, that was the exact spot where Lewis crashed too.
• 17:55
  Speaker A: Pretty much. Pretty much. And then, you know, we saw. I just, I can see it in my mind now, the. On the left hand side of my screen where they've got all the drivers in, all the order at the very bottom had ham and you know, leclerc both out. Ferrari. I'm like, oh God, nightmare.
• 18:15
  Speaker B: Not good, not good.
• 18:19
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 18:19
  Speaker B: But Kimmy got a 10 second penalty for that and then he was speeding in the pit lane. I don't know if that, I guess that was before that or he came in to take a penalty or whatever. But he got another five second penalty for speeding in the pit lane.
• 18:31
  Speaker A: So it must, it must have been. Yeah, right. Then he got. He got a. It must have been when he came in that he got a penalty for speeding in the pit lane. Yeah, because. No, he came back in. No, he came back in. He, he, he pit on lap 51 and then Leclaire pit on 53 and then. Yeah, Antonelli had to pit on 53 again. I think maybe that was when he sped in the pit lane. Oh, you know.
• 18:58
  Speaker B: Yeah, you're probably right because he probably picked up damage when he crashed into Charles.
• 19:02
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And then speeding, I mean. So you ended up with what, 15 second penalty?
• 19:08
  Speaker B: Yeah, it went all the way. I think he was what, like P6 or P7, something like that, all the way out to like P15 or P17.
• 19:15
  Speaker A: Yeah, he was way down in the end. Yeah, he didn't even finish in the points. Yeah.
• 19:21
  Speaker B: All takes.
• 19:23
  Speaker A: And then after all of that safety car issue or everybody else p. Pitted as well. Everybody went well, no piastri and Lando went on to hards. Everybody else went on to softs, which was interesting. So, yeah, we thought that maybe Verstappen being right behind Lando, maybe he could use the, the difference in tire. But he couldn't quite. Couldn't quite get it done.
• 19:49
  Speaker B: No. So he didn't have to make the move because.
• 19:53
  Speaker A: Well, he wasn't to know that because.
• 19:56
  Speaker B: Smoke billowing out of his car a couple laps later.
• 19:59
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think it was like. Yeah. Lap 65. Yeah, Lando's car just gives up. Whatever. Whatever caught fire. I mean, that with the, with the limit on. The limit on parts and things like that, if there's any kind of like smoke or something's failing, I think they, yeah, they stop the car as quickly as possible. They don't want a small problem to escalate into a. Into a bigger one.
• 20:20
  Speaker B: Exactly.
• 20:23
  Speaker A: And then. Yeah, that gave us some. Some interesting post race cut footage of. I think Lando and Charles both got stuck in the middle of the track, like where there's that se. Sand dune bit. Like. No, there's no way to get a road in there to pick them up. So they're just sitting in the grass.
• 20:40
  Speaker B: Charles is there for a while.
• 20:42
  Speaker A: Yeah, Charles was there for like 15 laps, just, you know, half an hour or whatever, just watching the race go by. I think somehow he got his hands on a phone. I don't know who he was talking to, but that was some interesting coverage. And I mean, Lando seemed to take it pretty well. Like in post race coverage. Do you think what do you think?
• 21:03
  Speaker B: I didn't see many clips from afterwards, but I mean, what do you, what do you, what can you say? Yeah, yeah, he drove a nearly perfect race other than his teammate ahead of him and you know, the car just failed underneath him.
• 21:16
  Speaker A: This is, well, this is where I need Nick here with his history of F1, but I could, I remember in my mind, I don't know which year it was. Must be sometime in the 90s. Mika Hakkinen, similar situation. Siddi crashing, sitting on the side. You know, when he's fighting for the championship, like basically head in his hands, he still has a helmet on. I think it was a monza. I mean, Nick would tell me, do you remember that race, Jason, you've been.
• 21:41
  Speaker B: Watching, that must have been one of the Williams. Right, so either Jacques or Damon.
• 21:46
  Speaker A: Yeah, right. I don't know, Kim. Yeah, but Mika Hackinen, like, yeah, made a mistake, put himself like it was out of the race and he was just sitting on. There's a helicopter shot of him just sitting on the grass heading his hands. Oh, what have I done? Yeah. And then, yeah, lap 72, Piastri wins. But what did Piastri do the whole race? Like, like literally managed the race perfectly. I mean, yeah, bad play to him. You, you can say it's boring all you want, but the guy didn't, didn't put a wheel wrong right from the whole, the whole race. So.
• 22:20
  Speaker B: And I mean his odds of winning just shot up pretty, pretty, pretty big.
• 22:26
  Speaker A: I mean, that's a massive swing. Yeah. Now, you know, now he can DNF and.
• 22:35
  Speaker B: We'Ll be back where we were before the race.
• 22:37
  Speaker A: And he's still, he's still not behind. I mean, they were saying something at the, at the beginning of the race. I guess they're hyping up the fact that Lando and Piastri can fight with each other because they could like stop racing as a team McLaren and come back for like the last couple of races and still be in the lead of the championship. They could potentially wrap that up in a few races, although I guess they drop points today with Lando not, not finishing in the points.
• 23:01
  Speaker B: But we just need to get to the point where everyone else is mathematically out of the driver's championship, so then they can really start fighting it out. So even if they crash against each other, it doesn't matter. Still one.
• 23:13
  Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, I think I see. I mean that's pretty much the case we're at right now from a constructors championship and driver's championship now, obviously, but Yeah, I mean just. See, it just seems that everything is going Piastri's way right now.
• 23:28
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 23:29
  Speaker A: You know, if Lando wins, you know, Piastri comes second, but Piastri wins. Lando DNF this week. Yeah, that is tough. That's tough to take.
• 23:40
  Speaker B: And then an Oscar equaled his manager's win. Win number.
• 23:47
  Speaker A: Nine wins, win total. Yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker A: So Mark Weber, he had a shot at the championship in the early 2000s, but you know, his teammate was Vettel and Vettel, late 2000. Yeah. Vettel didn't give him any quarter. There was a famous race. There's a famous race. Yeah. Where they were supposed to do team orders and just Vettel raced him hard and took the win famously. Yeah. Multi 21 was the order that came down that Seb didn't follow. But that was Mark's chance. So maybe Piastri is going to do it for Australia.
• 24:26
  Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, like you said, we've got regulation changes next year. This could be McLaren's only shot for a long time. Who knows? So you gotta, gotta take it.
• 24:37
  Speaker A: I mean. Yeah. Who knows where it's gonna end up next year, what kind of car anybody's building. Yeah. Hopefully it will be, hopefully it'll be interesting. Right. That some cars are similarly matched to. There's good racing and. Or we get some. Something like this where if there is one car that is dominant like the McLarens are this season, that the two guys are fighting it out head to head. Fairly.
• 25:01
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 25:02
  Speaker A: To give us something to cheer for, not just max dominance like we had when the Red Bull was the fastest car.
• 25:08
  Speaker B: Exactly. So I mean a couple guys we didn't touch on that had good weekends. Although, I mean, I feel like most of these guys, they just had good weekends because they had good timing with the safety car and didn't crash. But Albon, both the horses were able to score, both the Astons were able to score and Yuki was able to get into the points.
• 25:30
  Speaker A: Yeah, Baerman made a pass, I think late on. Behrman did a one stop race. He only stopped once on lap 50. 53.
• 25:39
  Speaker B: Yeah. Under safety car.
• 25:41
  Speaker A: Under the safety car, which worked out perfectly for him. And there was a point in the middle of the race where I think it was Baerman and Ocon were together in the houses. Just split the field in two, tootling around, slowing everybody up. But people couldn't pass. It was a big DNA DS DRS train. Alonzo was getting very frustrated. He's like, can we just pit and like undercut these guys? But he Tried that. I think he pit on his own on lap 40.
• 26:06
  Speaker B: Yeah, that was bad.
• 26:07
  Speaker A: But it just put him. It just lost. It just lost him four places.
• 26:10
  Speaker B: And he was just in another DRS train.
• 26:12
  Speaker A: Like, dude, he. He pit. He. Then he. He drove faster. He started putting in the fastest laps of the race. He caught back up to the. Back to the end of the train that he was on before.
• 26:24
  Speaker B: Exactly. But he still was able to score.
• 26:26
  Speaker A: Didn't even matter, I guess, you know, then. Yeah, then it all. It all reshuffled again on lap 53. People were able to move around, but Alonzo didn't pit. He didn't have to pit then because he pit on lap 40. He. He kept his hard tires, so that moved him up some spots and. Stroll. Yeah, I mean, stroll. What, he binned it in qualifying, right? No, he binned it in practice and then binned it in qualifying.
• 26:54
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 26:55
  Speaker A: Two bones, I guess. You know, he can hold his head up high a little bit. That. He scored points that the. The engineers at Aston Martin didn't do all that work for nothing. They. They took home some points.
• 27:07
  Speaker B: I don't think he has an issue holding his head up high, to be honest with you.
• 27:12
  Speaker A: He props it up. He props it up with billions of dollars.
• 27:15
  Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. He doesn't. He doesn't worry about that at all.
• 27:19
  Speaker A: But. Yeah, yeah, I mean, Kapinto was right there in 11th, had his chance to score his first points and just. Well, he wasn't that close to Okon, I don't think, in the end. But to finish 11th, he's knocking on the door. Maybe he's the one person hasn't scored any points yet. Right. This season.
• 27:40
  Speaker B: Yeah. And I. I'm not sure if that's even going to come for him, to be honest. But we will see.
• 27:46
  Speaker A: It's good. I mean, he's not. He's not the focus of attention right now, is it? Right. You know, people aren't talking about. You know, people don't want necessarily Yuki out of that seat, even though he's potentially underperforming Colapinto. You know, that's a decent showing for him. He didn't score any points, but he's in the mix. He's not.
• 28:03
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker A: Just tootling around in. In last place. I mean, he beat his teammate, which is. Got to mean something, right?
• 28:12
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:14
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 28:16
  Speaker B: Well, I mean, I think that's really, really it.
• 28:20
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 28:20
  Speaker B: Unfortunately, not much racing highlights, so to speak. Just crashing.
• 28:25
  Speaker A: Just crashes and. And cars blowing up. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe we'll get some more it's only less than. Less than a week and we're at the. The Citadel of speed. Right. That is right. Monza.
• 28:40
  Speaker B: Monza and Lewis will have a five spot grid penalty for that. I don't know if you saw that.
• 28:46
  Speaker A: Oh, why has he got the fight? What's that for? I can't remember. Changing like changing gearbox or something.
• 28:52
  Speaker B: Maybe. Yeah. What was it?
• 28:54
  Speaker A: Oof. And maybe Charles will have a penalty too if they come up with something for that move on Russell. I don't know.
• 29:00
  Speaker B: Well, I think it was a pet. I guess if it was a penalty he would have. It would be the same kind of penalty. But yeah, what was it?
• 29:08
  Speaker A: I mean I guess it's Kimi Antonelli's home Grand Prix but he's not going to make any friends in. In his home country when he. When you take out a Ferrari. Right. On the previous race. Right. Although I do believe he's apologized since.
• 29:24
  Speaker B: You know, yellow flag breach.
• 29:27
  Speaker A: Oh. For Hamilton.
• 29:28
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker A: Oof. Wow.
• 29:34
  Speaker B: So yeah, not great. And I mean it was very low scoring but we might as well get into coupes.
• 29:41
  Speaker A: Yeah. Low scoring week in coupes. F1 just because. Yeah. With three. Three cars that people often predict in the top 10 between with Norris and the two Ferraris out and then some of these other guys popping in there. The. Like you said, the two hasses and others quite low scoring top scores this week. Dag nanas. Dang dang anas 205 points. Yeah. Which is. Which is quite low. Only person to crack the 200 mark, Tony Low with 198 and a friend of mine, Chubba 100. He got fifth top score 175.
• 30:22
  Speaker B: Nice. Those are good scores.
• 30:27
  Speaker A: When you got 88, I believe. Yes, I got 118. I'm not sure. Nick also got a very low score. I think you got 98. Yeah. You and Nick as the top two overall scored two of the lowest points of anybody.
• 30:42
  Speaker B: But how does that even happen?
• 30:45
  Speaker A: Well, you know, that's the way it goes. But Nick holds on to top spot. Just by how many points is he ahead of you? 14 points. It's close. But Toro Rosso 2 as in third has moved up to just like 30 some points behind you. So. I know still all to play for, lots to do. But quick, quick turnaround. Short memories onto Italy like very, very low downforce track look for high top speeds. Could be interesting with cornering. Hopefully. I mean there's a hard. You come around the Parabolica which is a super high speed corner. The last corner onto the straight and then it's very hard breaking into the first chicane where we've seen plenty of incidents in the past. I think Max's car ending up on top of Lewis's at one point.
• 31:39
  Speaker B: Lewis's head.
• 31:40
  Speaker A: Yeah. Like, luckily, he had the halo.
• 31:43
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 31:45
  Speaker A: So possibilities for overtaking, hopefully, but yeah, very, very fast track and. Yeah, we'll see what happens. Lando needs to do something, otherwise Piastri's just gonna walk away with it.
• 31:59
  Speaker B: Yeah, absolutely.
• 32:01
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 32:01
  Speaker B: Well, anything else we missed? I think that's pretty much it.
• 32:05
  Speaker A: Yeah, I think that's it. Nobody's. Nobody's mentioning corner. Right. He's gone and nobody talks about him. Right. Just moved on.
• 32:15
  Speaker B: Good riddance.
• 32:19
  Speaker A: It doesn't. The name doesn't even. Doesn't even come up. But maybe that's the way it should be. Have the. Have the drivers do the talking, not the team principals.
• 32:27
  Speaker B: I mean, I think he'll be back at some point somewhere, but you gotta.
• 32:31
  Speaker A: Think he knows he knows something. I mean, if. If Flavio can come back, you know?
• 32:36
  Speaker B: Yeah, exactly, dude. Straight up crashed on purpose, you know, like, if he can come back, anybody can come back. Thanks for listening to the Undercuts review of the 2025 Dutch Grand Prix. Please rate, review and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts and join us next time. Time for our review of the 2025 Italian Grand Prix. We'll see you.