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More calls about Dr Husel · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: Chuck Douglas in the Power our six ten WTV and
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  Speaker 1: sometimes things just say that they light and Mark and
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  Speaker 1: the guy's saying something else outrageous. Sometimes it is or
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  Speaker 1: sometimes it's just stupid. The doctor use will show though.
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  Speaker 1: I just and as I was telling the caller right
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  Speaker 1: before we went to the break, Rochelle, this isn't this
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  Speaker 1: isn't a I support the doctor, I support the process.
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  Speaker 1: I support the American tradition of getting your day in court,
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  Speaker 1: and from what I have seen, that's not happening here.
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  Speaker 1: And Rochelle was urging me, you know, maybe other media
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  Speaker 1: is staying away from it for a reason. Well, because
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  Speaker 1: other media is staying away from it, it's a little
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  Speaker 1: difficult for me to stand here on the outside of
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  Speaker 1: this situation and understand why you would be denied that
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  Speaker 1: day in court, even if it is. How many frivolous
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  Speaker 1: lawsuits are filed every day around the country, And if
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  Speaker 1: this guy believes he's got, you know, what, he needs
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  Speaker 1: to go into court, and when shouldn't he have the opportunity,
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  Speaker 1: Just as I would expect for myself people are constantly
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  Speaker 1: suing for you know, discrimination of one sort or another,
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  Speaker 1: or my coffee was too hot, or my hair sprayed,
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  Speaker 1: didn't hold or whatever. This is a guy who went
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  Speaker 1: to school, became a doctor, passed his test, got his license,
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  Speaker 1: was practicing as a position, and based on accusations that
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  Speaker 1: went to court and he was found not guilty of
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  Speaker 1: Whether you agree with it or not, the court found
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  Speaker 1: him not guilty on fourteen counts. In the meantime, he
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  Speaker 1: has suffered to the point where, you know, the reports
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  Speaker 1: are that he's sleeping on a floor in an apartment
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  Speaker 1: and his daughter is in a lawn chair. They don't
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  Speaker 1: have at the house or the practice, or furniture or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And I can understand being motivated at this point to
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  Speaker 1: go in and say, look, I deserve some sort of damages.
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  Speaker 1: For I deserve to be made whole again. I was
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  Speaker 1: found not guilty. And whether he is or not, however,
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  Speaker 1: the jury, for I believe he and all of us
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  Speaker 1: deserve that day in court. That is that is really
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  Speaker 1: the basis of the American legal system and justice for
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  Speaker 1: all or maybe that's just me A two one ninety
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  Speaker 1: six A two one WTV And let's get back to
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  Speaker 1: these calls here so we can get you done before
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  Speaker 1: we say goodbye for the night. Jill, you are on
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  Speaker 1: six ten WTV in Height, Hi.
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  Speaker 3: So I wanted to call in response to the previous
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  Speaker 3: caller having concerns about the jury being pressured. One of
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  Speaker 3: my siblings was on the jury and after the case
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  Speaker 3: was over, they did share with me that the reason
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  Speaker 3: they decided not guilty is because there are no prescribed
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  Speaker 3: maximum dosages for administering sentinel. Sentanyl was created specifically to
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  Speaker 3: treat cancer. It is a drug that you develop a
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  Speaker 3: resistance to the longer that you take it. The patients
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  Speaker 3: that were being treated by this doctor were definitely going
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  Speaker 3: to die of cancer. There was no question if they
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  Speaker 3: would die, it was just when, and his job was
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  Speaker 3: to provide comfort until that occurred. Because there is no
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  Speaker 3: prescribed maximum dosage, it was not possible for the jury
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  Speaker 3: to find him guilty of exceeding any specific dosage amount.
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  Speaker 3: So I just felt that people should understand the reasons
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  Speaker 3: that the jury decided that he was not guilty.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and I would say, if that's the case, Jill,
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense. I mean, it's if there's no speed
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  Speaker 1: limit sign, you can't give me a ticket for speeding.
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  Speaker 1: That's what it comes down to. And if there's no
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  Speaker 1: prescribed limits, that makes perfect sense. I thank you for
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  Speaker 1: that piece of information. That is something I did not
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  Speaker 1: know I have not heard before. Again, then whether you
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  Speaker 1: like it or not, if that's the case, not guilty
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  Speaker 1: makes perfect sense. And I don't know I've said before,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't been. If you've been with me any period
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  Speaker 1: of time, you know you know I've been in the
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  Speaker 1: hospital a couple of times. I tried not to be.
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  Speaker 1: But one of the things that put me in the
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  Speaker 1: hospital a couple of years ago, what they call cellulitis,
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  Speaker 1: when my blood sugar was completely out of control before
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  Speaker 1: I lost the weight and everything my foot. I got
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  Speaker 1: it cut on my foot became infected. My foot swelled up.
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  Speaker 1: It was huge. It was actually just cracking apart. It
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  Speaker 1: was terrible. I was in such pain that I was
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  Speaker 1: just I would arbitrary, ah, just just stabbing pains. I'd
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  Speaker 1: just scream out, no pressure on it, not standing on anything.
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  Speaker 1: It just just out of nowhere. It hurts so bad.
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  Speaker 1: Finally I go to the hospital to the emergency room.
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  Speaker 1: They gave me fentanyl was a red liquid. Gave me
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  Speaker 1: fentanyl for this pain because I told him that. They
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  Speaker 1: said on the scale of one to ten. I said, fifteen, man,
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  Speaker 1: this is killing me. They gave me the fentanyl. Minutes later,
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  Speaker 1: I said, this is nothing I needed. They gave me
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  Speaker 1: more fentanyl. Another fifteen twenty minutes goes by. I said, seriously,
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  Speaker 1: how does anybody get addicted to this crap? It's doing nothing.
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  Speaker 1: They gave me another dose of fentanyl and I still
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  Speaker 1: was in ridiculous pain. Then they gave me something what
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  Speaker 1: is it called tramp trama, tramadn or tramadoor or so
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  Speaker 1: it's it's a non narcotic pain reliever tramadoll or it
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  Speaker 1: could be tramadall that sounds right. They gave me that
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  Speaker 1: if it's not narcotic, and like five minutes later, the
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  Speaker 1: pain had subsided. Fentanyl was doing zilch. So I seriously,
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand that whole Oh it takes away my
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  Speaker 1: pain thing because it it didn't with me, at least
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  Speaker 1: with me. Yeah. Eight two on nine eight six A
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  Speaker 1: two one WTV and A Mary. You are on the
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  Speaker 2: High Hi, thank you. I worked at Mount Carmel when
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  Speaker 2: doctor Hussel was down there, and my nursing history is
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  Speaker 2: like thirty years in half this, I have a unique perspective.
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  Speaker 2: But I wanted to make a comment about all the
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  Speaker 2: other people that lost their job in his wake. You know,
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  Speaker 2: when he was let go all of a sudden, pharmacists
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  Speaker 2: and floor nurses and other people just kind of summarily
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  Speaker 2: lost their jobs as well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've gotten a note here from my first college tonight.
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  Speaker 1: I made a note that I want to check into that.
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  Speaker 1: She said like thirty five people associated people lost jobs,
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  Speaker 1: and I want to follow up on that.
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  Speaker 2: And so with him, with him all of a sudden
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  Speaker 2: being found not guilty, which to me is very different
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  Speaker 2: from innocent because to me, not guilty means the prosecution
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  Speaker 2: did it, meant it's burden of proof. Your prior caller
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  Speaker 2: is correct. There's no ceiling on fentanyl and morphine, et cetera.
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  Speaker 2: So you can keep escalating the dose doesn't make it right.
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  Speaker 2: The reason sentanel worked for you, most likely is because
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  Speaker 2: the triumadel potentiated the fentanel made it work better. So
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  Speaker 2: there are ways that you don't have to just keep
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  Speaker 2: increasing the dose. You can give other meds that sort
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  Speaker 2: of two things are better than one and they make
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  Speaker 2: each other greater. But the folks that all lost their jobs,
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  Speaker 2: I'm wondering if he was so his been denied his
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  Speaker 2: chance to have his day in court, because now you're
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  Speaker 2: looking at thirty five some people that say, hey, well
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  Speaker 2: wait a minute, I'm downstream from Hussel. If he would
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  Speaker 2: sound not guilty, then I'm not guilty.
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  Speaker 1: I agree. In fact, I would like to see if
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  Speaker 1: maybe I can find out I'd love to see something
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  Speaker 1: resembling a what's the word a bordered class action if
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  Speaker 1: you will, of doctor Hughessel, and you know, at all,
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  Speaker 1: as they say, all those thirty five people going against
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  Speaker 1: some sort of reimbursement, some sort of something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, reputations, ruined careers in the toilet, you know, retirements
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  Speaker 2: out the window, and so it's not just him. Then
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  Speaker 2: he's got the high profile. And I never, thank heaven,
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  Speaker 2: had to carry out one of his orders. I was
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  Speaker 2: lucky enough even though I worked there at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: He was never the physician when I had a patient,
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  Speaker 2: but I had coworkers who did. There was discussions of
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  Speaker 2: what do you think about this order? Because I you know,
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  Speaker 2: pay management and hospice and end of life cares and
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  Speaker 2: my forte and stuff and that once or twice I
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  Speaker 2: said to somebody, I don't know that i'd give it,
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  Speaker 2: like I need to see the patient's background. Are they
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  Speaker 2: are they, you know, opioid naive? Are they tolerant of it?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 2: What's the scope? And this might spur the pharmacy industry
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  Speaker 2: or to do research to say, hey, we should put
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  Speaker 2: a ceiling on some of these. Or once you get
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  Speaker 2: to two hundred ivy or something, before you can increase
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  Speaker 2: the dose, you have to try to give it a
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  Speaker 2: secondary something. You have to add a potentiating medication.
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  Speaker 1: And you know what, this sounds really stupid, very I
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  Speaker 1: don't know the exposure that this doctor had to other people,
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  Speaker 1: but if I had met him and he heard the
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  Speaker 1: story that I just told you, he might have gone,
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  Speaker 1: you know, let's try this. You never know what kind
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  Speaker 1: of influence you have on another human being. Right, But
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  Speaker 1: this stuff was introduced as you know, the ultimate opioid.
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  Speaker 1: It was going to remove the pain. And how many
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  Speaker 1: things are we in court right now over what was
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  Speaker 1: supposed to be the ultimate that turned out to be
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  Speaker 1: nothing but poison in society?
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's so true my thought when I was listening
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  Speaker 2: to which I enjoy your show. I'm driving home today
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  Speaker 2: from seeing patients and I'm listening it's not no I
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  Speaker 2: have to call and give my two cents because of
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  Speaker 2: all the my opinion, innocent bystanders who were trying to
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  Speaker 2: do their job, follow the doctor's orders, whether they questioned
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  Speaker 2: it or not, but their careers are in tatters. And
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  Speaker 2: in particular, I did work with several pharmacists who I
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  Speaker 2: could name, and several response team nurses who you know
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  Speaker 2: you call them to the floor when your patient is tanking,
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  Speaker 2: that are just excellent, excellent clinician, clinicians, professional, the whole thing,
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  Speaker 2: would teach you on the spot how to take care
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  Speaker 2: of somebody, and they were just summarily dismissed. So I
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  Speaker 2: wonder if in the back of someone's mind somewhere, well,
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  Speaker 2: if we do this for Juice Will and let him
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  Speaker 2: have his dan court, now we've got thirty five other
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  Speaker 2: people that we have to get. Doesn't make it right.
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  Speaker 2: But I was wondering, like, what happens, what happens to
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  Speaker 2: those people? I really don't know what jobs anybody else got,
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  Speaker 2: but it's more than just him. He's the public face
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  Speaker 2: of this whole debacle.
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  Speaker 1: I'm absolutely with you. I'm with you and Mary. Before
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  Speaker 1: I say goodbye, let me say thank you for thirty
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  Speaker 1: plus years of healing and taking care of people. You're appreciated.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: I've had many nurses that have made terrible experiences much
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  Speaker 1: better experiences. Larry, talk fast here as we're getting close
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  Speaker 1: to the end of the show. We're on sixth natvn.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I can talk fast. And the one thing that
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  Speaker 4: many things that haven't been considered in any of the
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  Speaker 4: discussions is that Columbus police did an investigation. An experienced
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  Speaker 4: prosecutor around Brian O'Brien was the prosecutor at the time.
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  Speaker 4: He took the case, feeling it was justified, and presented
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  Speaker 4: it to the grand jury, which indicted the defendant. The
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  Speaker 4: insurance company paid off to the estate of Patience before
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  Speaker 4: that ever went to trial. They were paying off quickly
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  Speaker 4: because I knew two of the cousins that were paid
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  Speaker 4: off from one woman that died at that hospital, and
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  Speaker 4: they were paid off insurance company. There was a settlement
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  Speaker 4: made to all those people, or at least many of
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  Speaker 4: them for the death. Now, when it went to trial,
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  Speaker 4: there was a new prosecutor in Franklin County.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I'm out of time here. I have
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  Speaker 1: got to run.