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Katy Faust: Demand Justice For Children, Good Things Always Follow · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity.
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No topic off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Very important website.
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I want to get out to you right now before we even introduce today's guest.
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And that is thembeforeus.com, thembeforeus.com.
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Friends, family and Christ, thank you so much for tuning into World View Matters for sharing
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the podcast.
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Our guest today is Katie Faust, founder and president of them before us.
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It's a global movement, defending children's right to their mother and father.
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She publishes, speaks and testifies widely on why marriage and family are matters of
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justice for children.
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Katie helped design the teen edition of Canavax, which studies sex, marriage and relationships
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from a natural law perspective.
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She detailed the philosophy of World View transmission in her book, Raising Conservative
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Kids in a Woke City.
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And she and her husband are raising their four children in Seattle.
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That's the Woke City, one of too many in the country.
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And her brand new book, which we're going to focus on today, is called Pro Child Politics.
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Pro Child Politics, and it was published just last month, so it is hot off the presses.
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Katie Faust, welcome to World View Matters.
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Hey, it's great to be with you.
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I've been enjoying listening to your episodes and your guests and very much appreciate you
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bringing the Christian world view into all different areas of culture, especially in
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this election season.
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Oh, my goodness.
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And Katie, as we talked briefly before we got on the podcast, it has been a battle.
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And it's a spiritual battle at its core.
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But even the battle in America with apathy and elections, people not understanding the
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God given right, we have that most countries around the world don't have that we can actually
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have a say in who represents us and what happens from the federal level, all the way down
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to the local level.
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So we're going to talk about that when we get to your book, Pro Child Politics.
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But I want to just go over to your website them before us.com.
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What's your story, Katie?
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How did you get involved with this and what happened in your life that maybe led you to
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found them before us?
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Go ahead.
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Yeah.
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Well, I was just a stay at home mom with four kids.
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My husband has been the pastor of our church here in Seattle for 14 years and just recently
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has transitioned to becoming a full-time Navy chaplain.
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So I was just buried in ministry and mom work and friendships and community building and
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praying and Bible reading and all of that until until the world came for the kids.
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And that's when I snapped because I'm pretty agreeable on that truth teller grace giver
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spectrum that all Christians fall on somewhere.
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I'm a grace giver.
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I don't like to lose my friends.
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I didn't want to get into the most contentious cultural topics that we are facing today except
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when you victimize children, I get angry.
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And unfortunately, there is very few ways that our culture is not victimizing children today.
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So I saw that the most acutely in the marriage and family debate around gay marriage.
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And then I very quickly realized that children are being victimized in every area of family
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not just the redefinition of marriage, but also reproductive technologies.
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How we think and talk about divorce, the rise of cohabitation, the pushing, the normalizing
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of polygamy and polyamory.
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And then it went beyond that, you know, now we're seeing children victimized not just
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in their life from abortion, but we're seeing them victimized in their lives via things
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like big fertility and IVF.
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It's victimizing children's innocence, their mind through radical innocence, violating
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sex ed curriculum and pornographic library books and drag queen story hour.
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It's victimizing their bodies by pushing so-called transgender treatments on gender-confused
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children that harms them for life in ways that we've really never seen in our species
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really since the pagan days.
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And so that is what pushed me to get into this space.
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It's somebody needs to formally advocate on behalf of children.
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So if I do my job well, David, that is what you're going to hear today.
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It is going to be an accurate representation of the rights, well-being and interests of
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children in every area that we discuss.
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Praise God.
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Thank you so much for getting off the bench and into the game, Katie.
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And thank you for the work that your voice, it's important because so many Christians
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are either apathetic, they're not paying attention.
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Oh, if it doesn't concern my child, because maybe they've been out of school and they've
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graduated, but they're not obviously concerned about their neighbor's children then, because
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of what's happening at the government schools, K through 12 universities.
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But let's go back to the sentence under about us on them before us.com.
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And I'm thinking, okay, back up and try to look at this from our grandparents perspective
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or our great grandparents.
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Them before us protects every child's right to their mother and father by educating
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lawmakers, media influencers and concerned citizens about the harm children's suffer when
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those rights are violated.
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So let's stop right there.
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One of those rights obviously is the transgender push, confusing them about who they are.
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They're not made in the image of God because there is no God, right?
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That's according to the left and the Marxists and those who want to get young children.
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And confuse them and maybe get them into the transgender lifestyle.
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So speak to that for a moment, because we're at a very dangerous time in history where
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there's so much propaganda and lies out there that are not being refuted.
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And that's probably one of the things that you're trying to do that I'm trying to do.
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But go ahead and speak to that for a moment, Katie.
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Well, simply, what we are doing at them before us is putting them the children before us,
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the adults.
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Most of our work has focused on marriage and family issues.
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But the reality is on all of the supposed culture war topics, they're actually not about
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the culture necessarily and they're certainly not primarily political issues.
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All of these can boil down to child protection.
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Are you protecting kids or are you victimizing them?
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And so that is the lens through which we look at all of these major issues, whether we're
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talking about the election year, whether talking about conversations around our dining room
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table, whether we're talking about, you know, posting on X, we think that all of these
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issues come down to, are you going to advance justice on behalf of the least of these?
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Are you going to victimize them because some adult wants something?
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And we think that that is a wholly unbiblical argument.
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We look at, you know, most of our work is from the perspective of natural law, social
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science.
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We catalog the stories of children, especially who have been impacted by family breakdown
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and mother or father loss, but this is a fundamentally Christian mission.
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Why is that?
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Because in our biblical corpus, what we see is the God of the universe, the very strongest
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of all coming down and sacrificing himself for the weakest among us.
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And then he tells us to go and do likewise.
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You will not find one biblical exhortation anywhere in the older New Testament telling you
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that the week should sacrifice for the strong.
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It is always the other way around.
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It is always the strong who sacrificed for the week.
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But in all of these cultural topics, we are doing the exact opposite.
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We are forcing children to sacrifice for adults and very often they are harmed for life
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as a result.
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Preach it.
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Thank you.
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I told you we've got a time, man.
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I told you anything.
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I won't bore you.
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Hey, usually I warn people at the top of the podcast, fast in your seat belts.
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But since this is your first time with us, Katie, I'm getting to know you and just praise
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God for your passion over at your website before we get to your book, Pro Child Politics.
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Then before us.com, you've got resources for churches, companies, fast facts.
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Tell us about the resources for churches because talk about an institution that has unfortunately
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not been engaged and not spoken out against the evils and the attacks on children.
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So tell us about the resources for churches.
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Well, the main focus of that is to take the core of our work, looking at every marriage
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and family issue through the lens of child protection.
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And that is the one resource we have that takes our natural law, social science, statistics,
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the stories and testimonies of children who have experienced mother and father loss and
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family breakdown and layers biblical truth throughout the entire thing.
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And what you are going to have when you walk away from this is seeing through these seven
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part videos that we, you know, furnish you with like leader guides and participant guides
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when you are going to walk away from this.
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You know what you're going to say about God's design for sex and marriage?
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You're not necessarily primarily going to say, oh, this is an object lesson of his relationship
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to the church.
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You're not first going to say, oh, this is a sacred institution.
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You are going to say God's design for sex and marriage is plan A for child protection.
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And should you Christian waiver, compromise, slide or simply prefer silence above speaking
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up on behalf of children in these critical areas?
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Just be very honest about what you're doing.
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You're preferring social acceptance over child protection.
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And people, participants, Christians specifically will walk away from doing this curriculum feeling
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so confident and joyous at God's design for the family because you will never get child
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thriving without it.
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It is plan A for advancing the well-being of children and every little jot or title that
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we choose to carve off, whether it's because we fail to be unclear or simply social cowardice.
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We're simply making kids pay the price for our unwillingness to speak clearly and boldly
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about what God has made and what he has ordained in relation to the family.
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So what we hope is that we will bring incredible clarity and confidence for people who are
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battling not just with God made Adam and Eve and he made them to get married.
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But how do I respond to the lesbians next door who are raising the seven-year-old sperm donor
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kid?
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What about my own marriage that is struggling?
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How do I deal with people that are dealing with infertility and considering using a surrogate?
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The answer to all of those questions are, put kids first.
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That's your first to duty.
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It is not necessarily to empathize with the adults who are struggling, which they very often
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are.
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Your job as the Christian is to ensure that you are advancing justice and protection for the
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least of these.
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It is and always has been a manifestation of our pure and undefiled religion before God.
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It just looks a little different than it did in the first century, but make no mistake.
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That is especially in areas of policy, the number one concern for every believer.
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Before we get to your book, I wanted to ask you about this current administration, the
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Harris Biden.
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I mean, the Biden Harris, where is Biden anyway?
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The current administration, who we know exactly where they stand on issues, all these important
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issues, life in the womb, but children, and there, I think, one of the only groups that
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supports these surgeries for minors, these transgender surgeries, for minors paid for by the
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U.S. taxpayer, but everyone else, the average American, I think it's well over 60-some percent.
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I think you might know the numbers better than me, are opposed to these hormones and
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these surgeries on children, except for this administration.
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When it comes to voting in the election coming up, at least from that standpoint, we know
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where they stand.
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Speak to that for a moment, please.
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Well, I think that when you're looking at the cultural issues, and we can spend some
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time talking about the economic issues, the immigration issues, the national security
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issues, because we do address those in pro-child politics.
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But when you look at, I would say, the four primary ways that children's rights and
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well-being are being victimized, life, family, mind, and body, I think the GOP has unfortunately
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lost some ground on protecting their life, and it's a shame, it's a crying shame, and
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we should hold them accountable.
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I think that they have slid in terms of children's right to their mother and father, but in terms
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of protecting children's mind, understanding that a lot of children are being victimized
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through being forced to go to schools, that a, are not necessarily elevating their genuine
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education, and instead are pursuing indoctrination, oftentimes innocence violating indoctrination,
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there is a clear choice between the two parties.
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In terms of victimizing children's bodies related to supposed transgender treatments that do
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not turn a boy into a girl, they turn a healthy boy into a lifelong consumer of pharmaceuticals
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and cosmetic surgeons.
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That's what they do.
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They turn a healthy child into a patient, a medical patient.
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In terms of that, we see a very clear divide between the GOP and the current administration.
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Unfortunately, when you look at children's life, family, mind, and body, the GOP has some
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work to do.
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Yes.
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When you look at children's life, family, mind, and body, what you see is the Democrats
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and the current administration specifically are the arc enemies of children.
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Yep.
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Exactly.
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Anti-biblical worldview, they are not against, they are against the God, male, and female,
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marriage, family, children.
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So let's see, we should take a break in a minute, but I want to give you an opportunity.
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I'm thinking you and your husband, one flesh, I can't imagine there being a lot of churches
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that are not woke in your area in Seattle.
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What's the name of your church, your husband's church, or God's church that your husband
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is pastoring?
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Yeah.
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She shared that for our audience and the website.
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Yeah, the church that we still attend, even though he's no longer the pastor, he is
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now out to see quite a bit serving as a full-time Navy chaplain, which is amazing, and I'm
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so grateful, and God is using him in a busy ways.
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We attend Grace Church in Seattle, in West Seattle area, and the new pastor that's taken over
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is a dear friend, and the church is absolutely thriving under his leadership when we're so
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grateful.
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Grace Church in Seattle, and by the way, boy, do we need some godly, bold leaders as chaplains
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in a messed up military?
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And I interview a lot of former veterans, and it's just amazing what's going on there,
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but that's for a whole other time.
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When we come back after our brief pause, we're going to talk with Katie about her book,
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Pro Child Politics.
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Katie Faust is our guest today, them before us.com.
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And the book, Pro Child Politics, it's brand new, why every cultural, economic, and national
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issue is a matter of justice for children.
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So Katie, you, according to the description here over on Amazon, you mobilized a collection
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of experts who apply their children before adults approach to the areas, their areas
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of expertise.
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I see praise God for Abby Johnson, Dr. Abby Johnson, she's on there talking about the issue
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of life.
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Just tell us about how this came to be, and I'm glad this is getting out before the election.
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Go ahead.
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Well, we have a little formula here at them before us, and it is put kids first.
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If you put kids first in matters of marriage and family, you get two things.
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Number one, you get child thriving.
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Number two, you get national thriving.
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When you put kids first, what you get is individual child protection.
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And then you also get good policy decisions.
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There is something about elevating the rights and well-being of the least of these, especially
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of the next generation that tends to lead to the right personal decisions and the right
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policy outcomes.
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So we do that on all matters of marriage and family at them before us.
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But I've long hypothesized, because, and I actually see that in the social space as well,
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when you're looking at the social issues, in terms of like social conservatism, you
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see that as well.
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When you put children's rights to an intact unmedicalized body at the forefront, you get
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the right personal decisions in terms of a child who's questioning their gender.
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But also, you ban trans-gender surgeries, state-actor, state-actor, state-actor, state.
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So we have wondered if you can actually do this on all major political issues.
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Maybe the other two legs of the conservative stool, not just the social conservatives,
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but the economic conservatives and the national security conservatives.
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And the crazy thing is, when you put them before us, you again get great policy as Molly
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Hemingway wrote, and the blurb at the beginning, is a funny thing happens when you elevate
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children before adults and all of these issues.
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You get conservatism, but not cold, faceless conservative.
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You get pure, pure distilled conservatism with the face of a child on it.
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And that's exactly what we've got here.
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So I conscripted these 19 subject matter experts on topics ranging from the environment to
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energy, to immigration, to ESG, DEI, education, pornography, masculinity, femininity.
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And I mean, these guys are top of the line, you know, Ken Harrison, the president of
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Promise Keepers, Rotor Masculinity Chapter, and Pichi Keenan, you know, of domestic extremist
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fame, Robert Femininity Chapter, and the head of the only conservative environmental
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organization, Chris Barnard wrote our environment chapter.
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I mean, like, it's just a star-studded cast, but I told them all, I need you to follow
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a specific formula.
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I want you to begin with the real-life story of a child who was harmed because we believed
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progressive lies.
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And then I want you to outline those progressive lies and then make the connection.
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How are kids damaged, destroyed, or victimized when we believe those lies?
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Then tell me the truth.
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The truth about education or immigration or pornography, then tell me what would happen
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if we believe those truths and how kids would be protected.
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And then show me who has done it.
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Don't just give me philosophy.
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I want you to tell me which governor or state or municipality has applied these truths
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and show me how children have been protected as a result.
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So it functions as absolutely an understanding of why every issue is ultimately connected
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to child well-being.
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But it also is a bit of a primer for those of us who maybe don't know a whole lot about
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energy policy or haven't thought a lot about policing to be like, actually, all of these
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things really do come down to, is it going to be me, am I going to put myself first or
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is it going to be kids?
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Are we going to prioritize them?
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Guys, you can get this right now at Amazon Pro-Child Politics.
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And I really encourage you to get a hold of this and maybe even share it.
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Katie, I want to jump to the ESGDI.
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I wrote a book earlier this year called The Assault on the Image of God.
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And one of the chapters was the Marxist cult of DEI.
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This is something that I think caught a lot of people off guard with regards to the education
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system and even corporations and this is just spread.
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Share with us a little bit what Justin Danhoff wrote about ESGDI and how from the perspective
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of putting children first.
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Well, you know, both in terms of the corporate world and in terms of entire governments
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and in terms of media and the media expression.
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What we see is ESG is actually the rot at the bottom of so many of the other symptoms
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that we are seeing in our world that are forcing things to crumble.
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He talks about how corporations like Disney on, you know, the shoulders of DEI initiatives
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are pushing some of the most child innocence, violating content, you know, overhauling
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their own, their concept of the social fabric through a lot of these ESGDI programming.
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He begins with the story of a child in Sri Lanka who used to be middle class, but because
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Sri Lanka has adopted the ESGDI mandate and has a perfect score.
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They have plunged their country into poverty and chaos.
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And he talks very clearly about how this shift in the corporate world away from shareholders
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to stakeholders has actually been a very powerful force to restitch the social fabric in a
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way that is distinctly much more Marxist than it is pro human and pro child.
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So I think that it's an incredible chapter because Justin's a great writer.
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He's also, you know, was there when Strive was founded and that's Vivek Ramaswamy's
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organization.
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He knows what he's talking about.
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And I just appreciate, you know, at the truth, at the very end where he's talking about
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the truth, he's like, kids do need ESG, but it's not environment of social governance.
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It's genuine equality.
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It is the security of being known and loved by their mother and father and is the governance
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of their parents.
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That's really the ESG that kids need.
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Well, it's interesting what you just described from the biblical worldview, taking care
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of the children, raising them up in that vein, what you just described.
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It's like this kind of probably is the thread through all of these, right, from what how
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God ordained it, the family to protect children.
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And every one of these, is there any other one you would like to share because we're down
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to about five minutes or so?
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What's one of your favorite or maybe one of the chapters that someone contributed that
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you said, wow, maybe you, it floored you.
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Go ahead.
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I'm going to narrow down, but I will tell you the one that I learned the most that I think
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also intersects with what is at the top of the list in terms of mindset pre-election
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is the immigration chapter.
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Laura Rees wrote the chapter on immigration.
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She has been doing immigration policy for close to 30 years.
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She works at the Heritage Foundation.
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I just did a panel at the heritage on this and she's just brilliant.
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And she makes it very clear that our current immigration policy, the policy of the Biden
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Harris administration has very, very far from being good for immigrants has actually victimized
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not just American children who live in this country now whose resources are being directed
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away from their critical first services or their educational budgets or whatever and
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towards unverified undocumented immigrants.
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It's not just bad for American kids.
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Our current immigration policy is horrible for immigrant kids.
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The kind of policies around the unaccompanied minor program has allowed for the victimization
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of hundreds of thousands of children just in the last couple months, it's come out that
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we have lost.
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Health and humans have lost 30,000 to who knows, 300,000 unaccompanied minors because honestly
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this current administration didn't want to have photo ops of the kids in cages.
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So instead, what they did is they handed the children to traffickers.
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Those 300,000 children that they don't know where they are, very likely are in underground
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brothels and sweatshops here in this country.
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It is absolute victimization of children in the current immigration policy and the truth
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is that we can look at almost all of these topics from debt to national security to policing
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to race and we see the lies that are coming like a fire hose, not just through our politicians
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but through media and through a lot of the main institutions that have been captured
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by progressivism, the lies harm kids, sometimes it takes their lives, sometimes it starves
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them of their families, sometimes it robs them of their innocence, a lot of times it just
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steals their resources and doesn't allow them the same opportunity that we have been able
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to have.
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It's an injustice and Christians especially have to stand against it.
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One thing that on the book page, it says these subjects addressed share one commonality
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when we believe lies children are victimized and that's a key point that you're getting
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across today and thank you because there's not a lot of focus when you talk about elections
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and when you talk about everything that's going politics, all these different topics,
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not a lot of focus is on the children and how it affects the children.
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Katie, we've got just about three minutes left, just whatever is on your heart to share
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to try to wake up, our audience for the most part are biblical Christians, they believe
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the whole council of God, Bible believing Christians, the world view issue is huge and
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we're seeing that play out.
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So speak to them for a moment, just to encourage them to maybe get off the bench and into
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the game.
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Well, I imagine a lot of your listeners are absolutely in the game and I'm so grateful.
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I, you know, we live in Seattle and so we are in a place that has been sifted, sifted
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in ways that maybe some of the other parts of the country have not.
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So I see a lot of courageous Christians, but what they need is they need better information.
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I see people that want to honor the Lord.
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I see people that love the word of God, but we right now are in a place in human history
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that really is unlike any other place that we've been as especially relates to children.
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We are seeing the death of Christendom, the death of so-called cultural Christianity.
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And do you know what happens when we no longer see Christ's principles, even if it's not
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the personal relationship, the principles of Christ ruling and reigning in this country?
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Kids are victimized.
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Do you understand that that is absolutely the no-go zone for Christians?
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And so I think a lot of what we need is to be very clear about what child defense looks
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like in our modern day and age.
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It absolutely looks like caring for the least of these in our own personal lives, but it
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also looks like being a voice for them on behalf of the political, on the policy scale.
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It's not just what's happening in the culture.
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It's what's happening in the courtroom.
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And you, Christian, obviously, will empathize with friends that are struggling in these areas,
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but no amount of adult longing, loss, suffering, struggle, justifies victimizing kids.
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You primarily have got to be an advocate for the least of these.
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And when we fail to do so, we're in millstone around our neck territory, people.
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So this is a non-negotiable for Christians.
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We at them for us strive to help you know exactly what to say and how to say, especially
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in matters of marriage and family, pro-child politics is going to help you look at political
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issues through the lens of putting kids first, but Christians, this is the battle.
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And the amazing thing is when you secure justice for the least of these, you get social justice
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as well.
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When you protect individual children, you will protect the nation.
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When we, the adults, do hard things on behalf of children, which is what is required, we
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are going to get everything that we are longing for in terms of national thriving.
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When we do the hard things, meaning sacrificing for the children, everything else seems to
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fall into place.
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And national thriving is my goodness.
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We need so much help in this country, but that's a good focus.
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I think that's great.
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And you're on to something Katie Faust.
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And I want to direct people to them before us.com and the book again, pro-child politics.
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Really appreciate your time today.
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And it was so great after reading about what you were doing in your website and all that
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you're connected with.
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Praise God that we were able to do this podcast.
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So thanks for your time and God bless you and your work.
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Yeah.
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Thanks so much for having me, David.
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You're welcome, Katie.
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All right, guys.
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Oh, by the way, biblicalvoter.com, if I didn't give that out, I'd do that every time.
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I voter guide and biblicalvoter.com, it's coming up, friends.
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And praise God for everybody, every voice that's out there trying to make a difference and
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make an impact here and be salt and light.
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God bless you.
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And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.