Latest / The On Purpose Podcast / Ep. 364 – Marty Hofmann: Complacency Is Killing Your Potential
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- speaker-0: You are listening to the On Purpose Podcast. Hey friends, Jared Hardy here. If you've been inspired by what we talk about on the On Purpose Podcast, it's time to take it to the next step. My Excellence and Leadership course is built for individuals, teams, and organizations ready to lead with clarity, accountability, and purpose. Whether you're running a business, leading a squad, or just leveling up personally, let's work together. You can book me for custom classes or speaking engagements and we'll build something that lasts. Visit teamhardy.net to learn more and take action today. What's up, everybody? Welcome to this week's edition of the On Purpose Podcast, where it's our job to get you thinking, get you moving, maybe get you looking in that mirror, wondering if you're on cruise control a little bit. And this week, I got somebody on that's going to challenge you on that. My newest friend Marty Hoffman, author of Kill Complacency and host of the Kill Complacency Podcast, a show built around raw, faith-driven conversations on recovery. resilience and intentional living. I love that his work focuses on helping people confront the parts of their life where maybe they've gone numb, settled, or just stopped growing. Through honest stories about adversity, addiction, relationships, and rebuilding, he challenges the listeners to live with purpose, stop drifting through life. And his mission is simple and this is what really drew my attention and that is kill complacency before it kills your potential. Marty, my newest friend, welcome to the show. speaker-1: Thanks, Jared. It's a privilege to be here. I'm excited to get to know you and your guest and or your your audience and inspire them to live more on purpose. speaker-0: Yeah, dude, I love it. I'm honored to have you here and ⁓ I love your message. I love not settling in life. I love not going numb. I think that's a big challenge that many of us face today. speaker-1: Well, it's easy. It's easy because the world in our flesh tells us to lean into comfort. And I have a hat and it says comfort is a lie. And we all think we want it. We all think it's what we should strive for and have. But at the end of the day, it just leads to more and more discomfort because we don't get the disciplined life. We don't live the purposeful life. We always do the easy. And the easy doesn't get us where we want to go. speaker-0: No dude. Easy never gets you where you wanna be and it's always crowded with other people not getting where they wanna be. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: All right, before we jump into this, Marty, I gotta warm you up a little bit. I like I know you're a runner, you're a workout guy, so you understand the importance of a good warm up before we hop into the hard stuff. So here's your first question. If your life has a theme song, what is your song? speaker-1: ⁓ Two songs came to my mind. Can I the first song is is is the one I want played at my funeral. And it's one I've been singing since I was two, and it's Jesus Loves Me. It's just a simple, clear message. Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so. The other one came to my mind, Jared, is that song, I get knocked down and I get up again. Like it's what it's what we do. We we we're resilient, we learn to be resilient. We don't give in. We continue to fight. We continue to do what's right. So ⁓ I know those kind of opposite messages there, but those were the two. Like you hit me with that. Now those were the two that came to my mind. speaker-0: I love it. I love it. I take ⁓ both. What's something you've learned about yourself lately? speaker-1: ⁓ something I would say is is hard because I'm building this brand kill complacency. And what I'm gonna tell you is it's not easy. And it's not a one and done. And just because it's my branding and just because it's what I seek to do doesn't mean that I have it figured out. So don't put me in a glass box. speaker-0: That's true, that's true. We're always learning. What's a a favorite quote or a quote you live by? speaker-1: The man who does his best today is hard to beat tomorrow. My dad had that cut out years ago from a newspaper. It was in classified ads and he had it stuck on the fridge and I read it and I was like, ⁓ that's so good. speaker-0: That is good. That's powerful too, right? Yeah. That's a good one. What's ⁓ a word, one word to describe the season of life you're in now? speaker-1: ⁓ one word. I would say ⁓ it's consistent or consistency. Just trying to trying to be consistent where I know I need to be consistent, show up and and be all there. speaker-0: What's been the challenge for you with that? speaker-1: The challenge with that is not being reactive because I'm an entrepreneur, I've got several businesses and it's easy to be consistent when you follow your schedule and everything is lined out. So the challenge is not being reactive when the phone pings and somebody needs something. So that's what I would say. speaker-0: Yeah, that's good. Marty, I wanna know are you feeling warmed up, dude? You came in ready to go, I feel like. ⁓ I wanna sh I wanna hear the origin story. What originally pushed you towards the work of helping people confront complacency? speaker-1: Yeah, let's keep going. Yeah, so it was a whiteboard. and it was just me realizing that I had gotten kind of somewhere with real estate. I'd I kind of came to a position where I could retire at, you know, early forties and cruise and and go on autopilot. And I knew that wasn't I'd I'd kinda done that on a smaller scale in my mid thirties, and I knew it wasn't I wasn't wired for that. And so I just got a whiteboard out and started making up words and stuff and realized that if I wanted to keep going, I needed to inspire the world. That was the next thing was to teach and help others do what I'd done. And I realized that Marty Hoffman from Battle Creek, Iowa wasn't anything special. It was just a matter of intentionality and consistency. And so the opposite of that though is complacency. And so Obviously in this day and age where we're on social media and everything, we gotta have a good hook. So kill complacency was born on a whiteboard and ⁓ but it was just a matter of drawing it all out. speaker-0: What was your first reflection on that as you as you reached a goal in life, right? Like we were taught to like work towards this so we have enough money, we retire and do whatever we want, which for a lot of people actually kills them, right? Because then they don't have a routine, they don't have goals, they fall by the wayside. What was that first realization you had to fight back against that, even though you'd earned everything you you were told you were supposed to achieve? speaker-1: Yeah, I think it was just just knowing that it didn't bring me true satisfaction to go to autopilot, take it easy. ⁓ I felt like God wired me for bigger, better things. And and I think I've always maybe been taught just to, you know, give back. And so the pushback was number one, I knew it wouldn't make me content and I knew that it would be this constant ⁓ push back on my end. And so I wanted to I wanted to contribute to that and give back. So speaker-0: Yeah, I think that's so important, especially as we reach milestones in our lives, is to continue to move the goalpost a little bit and and adjust to where we are still contributing. speaker-1: Yeah. Well, I just I just know, I mean, like you've you've got this podcast, like you're you're you're helping people out that you don't even realize. And I don't wanna I know, Jared, I know at the end of the day, literally the end of each day, I am more fulfilled and happy when I know that I helped people out than if all I did was focus on Marty Hoffman and what can make him better. speaker-0: Yeah, that's so true. What what would you say if you had to describe complacency beyond the surface level for our community, what would you say that looks like? speaker-1: ⁓ a a word I love to use a lot is drift. and because complacency isn't necessarily laziness, it's just it's just staying in a current situation and not trying to improve it. ⁓ I read a book years ago by Napoleon Hill. He's famous for the book, you know, Think and Grow Rich, but a lesser known book is called Outwitting the Devil. And it's like a podcast interview with Satan where Napoleon Hill interviews him. And the word that Satan uses over and over and over is drift. That's how he'll get the public schools. That's how he'll get the home. That's how he'll get the church. That's how he'll get people at work. He'll just get him to drift. And if he can he can if he can get him to live without definite a purpose, which aligns with your podcast, then he knows he can get him because he'll just kind of like boiling that frog, he'll get them a little bit at a time. And so a definition for complacency that we often talk about is. Is is drifting. And we've defined that as default. This is what it stands for. Default results in forgotten time. So we just go to default mode, you know, in our marriage, in our fitness, in our finances, and we just we just do the little itty bitty bit and we never try to seek to improve and and and live with purpose. And that's complacency. speaker-0: And why do you think that is so dangerous, especially for men in today's world? speaker-1: I think it's dangerous because, well, number one, we won't live with purpose, right? We won't we won't seek to improve our environment. We won't seek to improve our marriages. ⁓ we won't seek to add add back. But two, comfort comfort is an enemy, and that's what we're really giving into there. And I know I know we want we think we want comfort, but comfort is really becomes the enemy because it's at the end of hard. that we grow and have that purpose. And so for men, we need to be challenged. And I think that I think that something you'll see because I do think to some extent this is a spiritual war. ⁓ as Napoleon Hill brought out. But I do think that something you'll see that is attacked in manhood. I mean talking about men, is everything that makes a man. So there's less people hunting now. because we have video games. There's ⁓ less people getting married and whatnot because we have pornography. Like there's all these there's all these things that are attacking manhood ⁓ that are a false sense of the real thing. So I think for men especially we need to push back on it. I think it's ⁓ I think it's important and I think if we don't like we're just gonna crumble. speaker-0: W would you say even just the the idea that our life is supposed to be comfortable and our life is supposed to be adverse free and and friction free also contributes to that drift, right? Because we're actually avoiding the very stuff that makes us grow, which is the hard parts of life. speaker-1: Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right. And and kind of to your point, like we don't we're not gonna live purposeful if we're not willing to do hard things. And if we just wanna stay comfortable, then I mean you never would have started this podcast because I mean, I don't I don't know your background, but at some point that was a decision because you wanted to add value and you wanted to share your mindset with other people. And So you did something hard and you figured out how to be a podcaster. And so that's what we have to do. And when we're two and three and four years old, like that's all we do in life is do hard, do hard, do hard. And our growth is exponential. But for some reason, when we get older, the older we get, we think, ⁓ I'm I'm done. And we we get comfortable and we don't do those hard speaker-0: Yeah, I'm just pondering it 'cause I think you're I a hundred percent agree. As we get older, it it's easy to shut down the hard part of life and and get comfortable. But what about the danger? What do you think on this, Marty? What about the danger of allowing that to affect how you parent the next generation and having them avoid hard things as well? speaker-1: Can you expound on that a little more? The danger of getting comfortable as parents? speaker-0: Getting comfortable as parents and modeling that for your kids to where they become risk adverse as well. speaker-1: Yeah, it's hu it's it's that's why they say, you know, wealth only takes what does it miss what is it last, one generation? And it's it's because those kids get comfortable and they never learn hard work and how to grind. And it's not taught. Very, very few people, you know, hold it for generations and it's because of that. So I I think it's huge. Like I don't know that's what we aspire for, right? We aspire to give our kids this big inheritance, but I don't think we're I don't think we're giving ⁓ the true gift. I think the true gift is work and sales and being kind. speaker-0: And failing. Yeah, get failing. speaker-1: Yes, said speaker-0: Right. So if you had to say like as an example in today's culture where you just see complacency and you're like, Okay, this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, what comes to mind? speaker-1: I think I think the biggest distraction is the phone. Mine mine actually have a case, kill complacency. I think it's a huge distraction. And I think ⁓ if anyone disagrees, just look at your screen time and and look at look at your top three uses of your screen time. And you'll find out that that three hours or four hours that you don't think you have in a week to start a podcast or do a side job, you actually do because You were on social media or you were playing a video game or whatever. So I think complacency shows up in a lot of ways, but I think I think an easy way to kill it is start focusing on your screen time. speaker-0: Yeah, no, that's so true, man. And it that's ⁓ that's an interesting thing generationally because like you know, you we say kids are on their phones all the time. But then you look at adults that are parents, they're on their phones all the time and grandparents are on their phones all the time. You're like, Okay, it's a whole thing. speaker-1: It's addicting. It's very addicting. speaker-0: And it's meant to be. speaker-1: Yeah. That's how they make money. And and we think that we think we're we're we're the product, it's for us, but really they're just selling to us. I mean it's the sales. Yeah. speaker-0: Is there a moment in your life since you went on this journey where you look back and go, Wait, complacency almost got me right here? I caught it, but it almost got me. I was in the grips of it. speaker-1: Lots of moments. ⁓ lots and lots of moments. ⁓ a big one for me was almost losing my marriage. mostly because I was selfish and well, honestly, I was I was away traveling and and thinking providing was the same as presents and not engaging my wife and and yeah, she had a hard conversation with me and told me she was thinking about leaving and And we had to make some changes, but it was it was complete complacency on my part. ⁓ not not taking care of my spouse and not loving her like I should and not not doing the things we did when we pursued each other as as soulmates and in a dating relationship. So that's an obvious one I think we can all relate to, yeah. speaker-0: Yeah, no, that's a very common one, right? Especially for men. We think we're providing and we're working all these extra hours and and the bank account's full and we have the nice house and refrigerator's full. But when we get to the end of life, right, most of the time your kids aren't gonna be like, Dad, I wish you'd have worked more. speaker-1: Nobody's gonna say that. speaker-0: But we get so caught up in it, man. speaker-1: We get caught up 'cause we get validation there. It's what makes us feel good. That's what I think. So for me I love to work. speaker-0: Yeah. I think there's a way you can love to work but also balance out loving the things around you and the people around you. Yep. speaker-1: Yeah. Well, and that's why the in our book we talk about the seven F framework. ⁓ so that we're not just focused on our finances, but we're focused on our family and our friends and having fun and fitness and our future self, you know, planning and growing and becoming better. Because we want to have that balance, we want to integrate that into our life and not just not just be super fit and super wealthy, but have no Family and friends. So speaker-0: I I I love that. I love that you have fun in there because I think that is one of the things that we've robbed our lives of so much is that this journey should actually be fun and enjoyable. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah, it's and I will tell you, that's the one I struggle with. I told you I love to work and I have a hard time relaxing. And I feel so much, if I was being vulnerable, I feel so much like I have to earn it so much. And I do earn it all the time, but it's never enough. And there's always more to do. So I struggle with that one. And and to your listeners, like they might struggle with a different one. But what I have to do, Jared, is I have to put it on the calendar. And I have to protect it like it's another rock. Like for my wife and I, we have date night on Monday night. Well, for me, a lot of my fun and relaxation happens Sunday. And it might be a walk, it might be planning, it might be just resting. ⁓ we might do a quick weekend trip with the kids or something. But I have to put it on the calendar, otherwise there's no there's no let up for me. speaker-0: Hmm. Here's something interesting, Marty, because I I had a whole career in government work prior to all this. And the the model was just work harder, right? Just work harder, just do more in the time you have. And then, you know, I launched my own business ten years ago now. And I found that I am more successful when I fight the urge to work harder. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Right. Like if I'm struggling to write something or I'm struggling to come up with this this project or this course, the more I sit and try to force myself to work harder, the less likely I am to produce a result I like. Verse getting up and going, Wait, these two hours aren't meant for you to work harder. Go for a run, go for a hike, go just go do something different. So I I I I ask ⁓ so I guess I wanna ask you like, have you found that to be true for you as a serial entrepreneur, somebody that's always creating that sometimes keeping your nose to the grindstone and going harder maybe isn't the right answer to creating the work outcome you're looking for? speaker-1: No, I I agree a hundred percent, a thousand percent. ⁓ and I can tell you that when I take rest, when I go on a vacation or whatever, that's when all the ideas come to mind, whether it's a new business or adjusting in a business. But if I'm work, work, work, work, work, work, work, I never I never make the I never make the corrections, right? 'Cause all I can see is the next reactive thing. And that is why, to your point, that is why it is so important to set aside fun and rest and restoration. And that's why it makes us better, not worse. But it it seems it seems hard, you know, it seems like it it doesn't work, but it it's powerful. speaker-0: almost a guilt associated, right? Like, wait, why am I not working right now? Like why am I out here just running in the woods enjoying this when I should be working? Man, I think you gotta give yourself grace and move past that like you're more than the work thing. Yeah. And the work thing's gonna be better the better you take care of yourself. speaker-1: Yep. Yeah. No, and I I've talked to my wife a lot about this. ⁓ mom guilt. A lot of a my mom my wife coaches women and a lot of women won't work out because they don't it's exactly the same, it just it's a little looks a little different. But they won't take care of themselves because they feel guilty that they need to be with the kids. And again, it's work. ⁓ And but it's a real thing for women. speaker-0: ⁓ dude, the whole women thing is like a whole nother animal, at least my layman's opinion, because of the judgment women put on other women. Yes. speaker-1: Yeah, ⁓ it must be nice. speaker-0: Right. Like, ⁓ you must have it so good. Look at you. And you're like, dude, like, ⁓ that that's always been a hard one right there. What I wanna ask you about the podcast, what have you learned from the guests who've come on and shared those hardest moments? What what are some things you learned about yourself by by putting yourself in the position to share those stories? speaker-1: ⁓ Well, there's tons of things I've learned. Being a podcaster has tons of tons of benefits. Like number one, you suddenly feel good about asking somebody that there's no way you would ask them otherwise. But so so you get access to people that you know, you know what I mean? I know you do. ⁓ so so that's that's really cool. Like getting to connect with people that otherwise would not be in your circle. ⁓ Another another big hack that I've learned is, you know, I love to ask for quotes and books and the amount of information that they want to share that has influenced them, like I can grab those things and and learn from them. ⁓ But I think one of the bigger things, at least it was really it has been impactful, is is just ask. ⁓ like so times so many times we get hung up on asking somebody to do something and as a as a podcast interviewer like just ask somebody or or create a team to ask somebody and and become you know become accessible and and whatnot. So I've been blown away by some of the people we've had on our podcast just because we asked and they said yes. speaker-0: Yeah, and I think at least something for me, man, is something you said is so true is you get access to people that your paths aren't gonna cross anywhere but care. And they get to share their recipe for success. Whatever it looks like to them. And and you get to do it in a non threatening manner, right? There's no competition here. It's literally just curiosity. And I guess that would be if peop when people ask me like what's the best thing about having a podcast, I just tell ⁓ one word, curiosity. speaker-1: Yeah, for sure. You get asked questions. speaker-0: And you get to listen and learn. And like I've never had your journey, Marty. So now like this is a whole way of me taking your lessons and now I can apply them to my life. speaker-1: Yeah. Do people ask you that a lot, Jared? speaker-0: I've had quite a few 'cause we're we're three hundred and something episodes in seven years. I've been doing this every Thursday for seven years. So yeah, kinda like, why do you keep doing it? What do you get out of it? And I I'm curious, man. I just wanna learn from people and and I'm not I know I don't know a lot of things. But you do. Like you know something I don't know. So I wanna talk to you about this. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: And what better way in today's world where divisiveness is the t theme of the day and everybody's out to hate everybody else and nobody can get along, what better way to go, what? You what? I didn't even know Marty before I saw this email and I researched you. And now we're gonna have a civil human conversation. It doesn't mean we agree on everything. Yeah. Doesn't mean we'll see it the same way. But we can still have respectful conversations to go, wait, he's a good human that I can learn something from. speaker-1: Yeah. Well, and we can take that recording and empower other people to better their life and live on purpose. That's what I love about the leverage. I think I think if I were to use one word, it'd be the leverage. The leverage of taking a conversation with you and empowering and encouraging other people to run with it. speaker-0: Yeah. It's so interesting you say that, Marty, because here here's an example, right? And for my if for the community that listened to the interview I did with Wes Martin, I think it'll air about three weeks before this one, you'll have already known this story. But Marty, for you, this is the the unbelievabless of a podcast is I did my first hundred mile ultra race two weeks ago. speaker-1: You did, congratulations. speaker-0: Thank you. Thank you. Which one? Montana. It's an amazing race, amazing community. If you're ever into that thing, I highly recommend it. But here's the thing is my son and I were gonna do it together. We had trained and it was supposed to be a father son bonding over this s shared suffering, right? And he ends up getting hurt and has to drop out at thir mile thirty six or thirty seven. So now I have a whole section by myself. I get to like mile forty-four and I'm prepared to just drop. It'll be further than I've ever run, but I just don't have the heart to do it by myself. I had all these expectations of me and my son having this time and our my wife and his sisters were our crew and my sister, like we had this whole family thing going. And I was just heartbroken, dude. I was like, man, I just I didn't come here to run now sixty some miles all by myself. speaker-1: Ha ha ha. speaker-0: It wasn't a thing. But here's the thing, Marty. We get to the Homestake Aid Station and Jamie Martin, who ⁓ who I had had on the podcast earlier in the year, who had won, she was the women's winner of the race the first year, but she couldn't run this year. So her and her husband were volunteering at the aid station. They had kept tabs on me, even though all we had only met over the podcast. I come in, they check in on my family, they can see my spirit's done, and I'm talking about maybe just calling it and saving everybody a heartache. Her husband Wes goes and gets on his running shoes, changes out, and then volunteers to go run the next 30 miles with me overnight. Wow. Right. So I just I just had his episode. You have to go back and listen. There's a couple before yours. It'll air in August as well. So I did ⁓ an episode where I recapped my experience in the heartbreak of things. speaker-1: That's love. speaker-0: And then the joy of sharing that time with him and and not quitting, but actually getting a belt buckle and finishing my first hundred on our first try. And then I had him on to share his experience. But I it goes all the way back to what you said. And and and my youngest daughter was there and what she said is, Dad, this is the power of the communities you've built. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. speaker-0: is that people will help each other in their time need. You don't have to ask for it. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah, it's beautiful. I know. speaker-0: What if we what if you and I didn't even take an opportunity to do this? Right. Then that same scenario, I'd have been a complete stranger to people. Yeah. Maybe they would have helped, maybe not. Right, which is most of society, probably not. But the fact is like speaker-1: Probably not. Well they wouldn't have known story. I mean, Wes put on his shoes 'cause he believed in you and knew your story. speaker-0: Yeah. ⁓ speaker-1: That was powerful. That was your first hundred miler. And you had a mental I mean, I can't imagine that wall on your son. I mean, that's huge. Like there's there's always something in the ultra running, right? There's always something that comes up that you have to overcome. That's a big one though. speaker-0: Yeah, I do. ⁓ man, was heartbroken, right? And not only heartbroken for him not being there with me, but also what pressures of dad did I put on my son? Is he okay that he couldn't finish? Would it be better if I dropped somewhere all together so nobody finishes? You know what I mean? Like kind of like that complacency thing, right? Like, what's the easy thing to do here versus what's the right thing? But we him and I had agreed that if one before the race, that if one of us had to drop, the other had to finish. So like we knew we had an expectation because It's a hundred miles, you don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah, for sure. What was the furthest she'd ran before? speaker-0: Ha ha thirty? speaker-1: ⁓ speaker-0: ⁓ dude, I'm a glutton for punishment, Marty. I had done one half marathon, then my son and I did a thirty miler that went terrible and then we signed up for a hundred miler. speaker-1: I'm training right now for a hundred. ⁓ I'm on the wait list for Javelina. And I'm I think it'll move up and I'll get in. So it's kind of weird because I'm training, but I'm not on the list. It'll be my first. I have done a hundred K, you know, sixty two. Yeah. But not a hundred ⁓ speaker-0: Yeah. Have you done a hundred before? Yeah. Good for you. Well, ⁓ here not to get too far ahead of our episode here because I still got more questions for you, but we'll be in Arizona in the winter. So you get in and you need some help, let me know. Maybe I can make my way up there and up with you or something. speaker-1: Yeah, for sure. ⁓ speaker-0: Avalena's nice because it's just a loop. speaker-1: Yeah, it's a twenty mile loop. speaker-0: Yeah. So I wanna I wanna ask you what in your opinion, what does real leadership look like as we fight against complacency sneaking into our lives? speaker-1: ⁓ real leadership looks like being authentic and real and not letting people put us on a pedestal, but being humble enough to be with our people and be real and authentic and share our struggles and share our wins and ⁓ lead by example. speaker-0: Dude, that's so true. And here I'll I'll share one more story from that race with you. When I came into that aid station prepared to quit and just tell my family we're done, we'll just go have dinner, we'll relax, nobody has to stay up all night. My wife told me, she's like, No, you can't quit at this aid station, you gotta make it to the next one 'cause that's what we knew we were supposed to do. And when Wes came over and volunteered to run with me, I'd never met him. I didn't know him. Wow. And I I said yes. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: I'll take you up on that. And when the race is all over, my youngest daughter shared with me that that was the most fav her favorite moment of the race. Because in her words, Marty, she said, like, Dad, you've always been my hero. You're always the strongest person I know. And I never saw you allow anybody to help you before. speaker-1: Wow. speaker-0: Alright, so two things I took away is one, I know I've talked to them about being vulnerable and asking for help. I know I've shared it, but I clearly never demonstrated it to my kids. speaker-1: Until then. speaker-0: Until then. speaker-1: Yeah, I gave him a goosebumps. speaker-0: But you're right, it ties in what you said, right? Real leadership is authentic and real, not perfect. Mm-hmm. speaker-1: Yep. Yeah, when we when we allow ourselves to think we are and allow other people to think that we are, we we lose our leadership. We lose our in my opinion. Like you gotta be real, you gotta be authentic and you gotta lead by example. So you taught your daughter that she really can get help and it doesn't have to be carry the buck on her own. I mean it's now she knows her dad who she loves and admires. Needs help sometime too. So speaker-0: Yeah. And I I think the other thing that comes to mind for that for me, Marty, is that you're never too old or too late in your parenting journey or just your life journey to demonstrate new skills or to grow. speaker-1: Mm-hmm. Yeah, and that's what, you know, beyond Living on Purpose is all about. It's continuing to learn, continuing to grow. You know, Elon Musk, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of his worldview, but he sold PayPal, you know, early 2000s, made a lot of money. I don't I don't know the amount of millions, but it was a bunch. Most people, Jared, would have said, I'm out. I'm gonna, I'm gonna retire. But but he didn't. And he continued to build. And whether we agree with his mission to get to Mars or not, like he's he's living on a purpose of trying to get to Mars. And it's he's creating all kinds of things as a result of that, you know, Tesla and SpaceX and solar companies, and I mean, I don't know how many, the boring company. Like he's got so many things when he could have. He could have and most people would have advised him, Now you can retire. You're thirty five, you sold PayPal, you got a hundred million in the bank. Now's the time to be comfortable. But he didn't. So speaker-0: Yeah. No, and actually I I he reinvested it in one of his companies and almost lost it all and was like living on his friends' couches again. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: So for for our listeners, Marty, what habits or practices would you recommend to help ground them in staying intentional and not getting caught up in this drift? speaker-1: Yeah, something I think you have to do is is find a way to whatever you wanna be, whatever you want to become, whatever whatever metric or goal you're setting, you've got to measure it. ⁓ if you're gonna lose weight, get on the scale every day. Like just that simple act, if if everybody got on the scale every day and then wrote it down and documented their weight, like your weight would would move. And it would probably go down because you're paying attention. But that's that's something we talk about. Like you wanna have weekly date nights with your spouse and improve your marriage? Track it and see if you did 50 this year. You know, you wanna you wanna increase your finances? Look at your bank account. Every Monday morning, look at your bank account, see where it's at. Write it down and track it. And and and so so that's the that's what I would say, Jared, is just simply track your habits. Track tra track who you want to become and it will improve. It will make you better. ⁓ as a runner, you know this. As a runner, Garmin or whatever watch we have makes it so easy to track our mileage and our heart rate and all those things. And I don't know about you, but I can geek out on that sometime. ⁓ because it's it's easy available data. But if I'm not on my training and I'm not I'm not showing up every day doing like I should be doing. I don't want to look at it. But that's what I would say. That simple habit of of measuring your results will have compound effects into great things in your life. speaker-0: Yeah. What if what if somebody's having trouble selecting the area to start with or identify where they are complacent? speaker-1: Well, ⁓ a l real easy thing to do is they can go to killcomplacency dot life and they can take a test that we put together on the seven Fs. It'll take about two to three minutes. ⁓ and that will tell ⁓ That will tell ⁓ how balanced they are in regards to those things. I think most people probably know without taking the test. The test is kind of fun if you like those things, 'cause it gives you an email and gives you some pointers. But I would say ⁓ I think we know and If we don't know, it's a matter of setting aside some time. We talked about this earlier with fun. Like set aside some time. Go to a place where there's some water and sit on a bench and just think about what you want to be known for in life and then reverse engineer it. Like you don't you didn't run that hundred mile race without some kind of reverse engineer training plan. You knew there was a date, you knew there was a a distance, you knew there was a pace goal. And you reverse engineered that and you not only did you put in the runs, but you learned to fuel, you built a community, a team. I mean, there's all kinds of things you did so that you could say, I successfully ran ⁓ Copper King one hundred. And you did that. So it's the same. speaker-0: Yeah. Here's a here's what I always tell people. It's like I just don't know where to start. Like I I struggle. The one thing tell is go ask your wife. I guarantee she knows you should start. Guarantee she has a list of things you can start with. speaker-1: Yeah. Yeah. I a lot of times I do think ⁓ I've often said start with fitness because it I feel like it has such compound effect. But the other another one of my F's is future self. And I honestly think ⁓ that's almost where you gotta start, right? Because you gotta be thinking about who do I wanna be in the future, and then you gotta show up for those things. So you wanted to run a hundred mile race. So that was your future self, identifying that, and then your fitness kicked in and and did it. ⁓ yeah. But it's it's speaker-0: I love fu I love future self reflection. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I love past self thanking my past self for putting me in position that I am today. And I love looking to future self and go today need today's self needs to do something that future self's gonna be proud of. speaker-1: Yep. Yep. speaker-0: ⁓ Marty, where can our audience follow along with you and get be part of the kill complacency team? speaker-1: Yeah, we have a webpage, ⁓ killcomplacency.com. ⁓ that circle of life test is on on dot life, but it's also on dot com. There there's some other ⁓ like goal setting stuff in there they can have. They can find out about the podcast there. You can find me most of my handles on social media is Marty Hoffman, ⁓ one one F and two N's. And ⁓ yeah, they can just reach out, connect. The book is ⁓ kill complacency, you can buy that on Amazon. That's the best place. Print on demand is amazing and powerful. So I'm not gonna buy five thousand copies and have ⁓ in my closet. You can get ⁓ off Amazon. speaker-0: Did the same thing. It's been amazing. Yeah. Marty, I want to thank you so much for joining us today from taking time for your busy schedule and for not only finding the value in your story, but having the courage to share it with the world. And I want to wrap up with one ⁓ one question for you. And that is what message do you want people to take from this conversation? speaker-1: I want them to know that they can do it, that they can live a purposeful life. And they can be who they never thought they could be. And in five years from now they can look back and say, I don't even recognize Marty from twenty twenty six. Because Marty in twenty twenty six was complacent. And he wasn't he wasn't fully engaged with his family. He wasn't aware of how fat he was or whatever. Like that's what I want your listeners to know is they can do it. They can live on purpose. They can be, they can have what they want. And it's it's out there. ⁓ don't know how to do it, man, just have a conversation with Chat GPT and it will it it will make the plan. speaker-0: Not too much, but it's using all our water or something, right? We can't give it too any questions. speaker-1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. speaker-0: ⁓ dude, Marty, what an honor to have you on the show, man. I love your energy. I love our conversation. And I'll be keeping I'll watch that ⁓ Havelina 100 entrance list that I'll be looking for you on. Yeah, for sure. speaker-1: Yeah, sure. That'd be fun. speaker-0: ⁓ so thank you so much for joining us, Marty. Have a great rest of your week, my friend. And remember, team, life is far too short to live any other way than on purpose. We will see you all again next week. speaker-1: Thank you.