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Jeff Legwold joins Moser, Lombardi and Kane 1/2/25 · Jeff Legwold ESPN Broncos Reports

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  Speaker 1: Helping to connect with Jeff Legwell here in just a
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  Speaker 4: The vast majority of people, Vicky, you may not believe this,
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  Speaker 4: The vast majority of people like my Lamar story.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Jeff, So I'm just I'm just saying.
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  Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the thing, though, moj you get mad at
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  Speaker 1: me when I just don't connect with the story and
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  Speaker 1: you say that I'm an idiot.
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  Speaker 4: Do you even know what Lamar is. You have no idea,
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  Speaker 4: do you see?
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  Speaker 1: But hang on a second. What you told was a
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  Speaker 1: personal story that I'm sure was very fun for you,
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  Speaker 1: that I, in the way can relate to, Like I
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  Speaker 1: have stories about my trips over to kN Kun and
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  Speaker 1: Cabo and all these different places are incredibly boring. But
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  Speaker 1: but but I would say I had a really good
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  Speaker 1: time doing this in this but it wouldn't be a
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  Speaker 1: story I'd share on the air.
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  Speaker 3: You're You're mistaken, Sorry, Jeff, We're taking up your time.
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  Speaker 3: See most hope down for a second. Yeah, calm down, Leggy.
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  Speaker 3: Most your thinks that his personal adventures like what makes
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  Speaker 3: him happy? Like he thinks that we should care about that.
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  Speaker 3: And no point in my life do I care about
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  Speaker 3: what you do in your free time. Let's just get
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  Speaker 3: that straight.
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  Speaker 1: Let's find out for blak And so with that, we
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  Speaker 1: and Jeff lawall ESPN dot com joined us.
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  Speaker 4: Hi, Jeff, how do you feel about parades?
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  Speaker 1: Jeff?
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  Speaker 2: How do I feel about parades? You know, I guess
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a strong opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Many see Moser's offended that you don't have a strong opinion.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: No, I'm not.
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  Speaker 5: I've attended many parades. I mean that's you know. I
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  Speaker 5: go to the grocery store a lot too.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, So Jeff uh to the game this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I want to start here. I know
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  Speaker 1: there's the the perspective talk that you can have that. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: even if the Broncos lose this weekend, if I told
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  Speaker 1: you they'd finished nine and eight, which and it's like okay, yes,
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  Speaker 1: then I would have taken that before the year started.
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  Speaker 1: But things change when they were nine to five, okay, Like,
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  Speaker 1: do you view this as Broncos.
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  Speaker 3: Don't win Sunday?
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  Speaker 1: Is this a massive disappointment?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I think if they don't win and then don't
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  Speaker 5: get the help to make the playoffs that they need,
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  Speaker 5: I think you're to me, the concern would be you'd
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  Speaker 5: be looking at back to back December collapses. Yes, last year.
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  Speaker 2: Last year they lost four of the last six, three
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  Speaker 2: of the last four, and that means this year they
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  Speaker 2: would have collapsed in December again, And to me, that
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  Speaker 2: would indicate, you know, do you need to examine what
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  Speaker 2: you're doing how you're doing it because uh, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if back to back seasons is a
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  Speaker 2: full blown trend, but it would be back to back
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  Speaker 2: December's where a winning record was turned into a playoff miss.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, I think that would be the concern.
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  Speaker 2: You know, Yes, overall, there's been some progress, especially defensively.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they're they're still you know, we look.
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  Speaker 5: At the last three games.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we all we always have the recency bias
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  Speaker 2: and everything, but you know, there's still third in defensive efficiency,
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  Speaker 2: which is one of the most important metrics there is
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  Speaker 2: there their second and you know, expected points added another
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  Speaker 2: huge metric GMS use to measure how good a defense is.
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  Speaker 2: Their fifth in scoring defense. They lead in sacks. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's where the most progress has been. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you had any doubts that they have one of
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  Speaker 2: the best players in football, uh, I don't think you
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  Speaker 2: should have any of those doubts anymore. I mean, patser
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  Speaker 2: ten Is, I think he's the defensive player of the year.
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  Speaker 2: And if they had not removed my vote so they
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  Speaker 2: could add two more East Coast guys, I would give
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  Speaker 2: him my vote for Defensive Player of the.
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  Speaker 4: Year, I want to know who we need to talk
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  Speaker 4: to before.
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  Speaker 3: What do you mean they took your vote?
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  Speaker 2: I was just notified they wanted to add two more
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  Speaker 2: guys from the Eastern time zone. So there is no
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  Speaker 2: voter in Denver in the AP Awards for the first
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  Speaker 2: time in my recollection. So if there's one thing, I
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  Speaker 2: met the Denver voter for twenty one years, So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know why they don't have a voter here now,
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  Speaker 5: but they don't.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if there's one thing, I know, Jeff, in sports,
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  Speaker 1: the East Coast is always underrepresented. So I'm glad that
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  Speaker 1: they got a couple more voys have.
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  Speaker 5: Had a very difficult time getting their voice heard. I
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  Speaker 5: know that. Yea. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the other thing.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny you said one thing that shouldn't be a
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  Speaker 1: question anymore is the star on defense, and you said Cirtan.
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  Speaker 1: I thought for second you were going Benito because he's
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  Speaker 1: in the same sort of category to me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, I mean, you know, I just think if
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  Speaker 2: you talk to people in the league, pantser Tan's the
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  Speaker 2: best cornerback in football, and that's you know, that's what
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  Speaker 2: GM's say. I'm not just saying that because I work
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  Speaker 2: here or whatever. The guys who put teams together believe that.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, Benitos, you know.
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  Speaker 5: The Broncos better write a big checker. They'll watch Benito
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  Speaker 5: play somewhere else.
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  Speaker 4: And in a couple of years, Jeff, I've listened to
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  Speaker 4: you talk about the reasons the Broncos should be wary
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  Speaker 4: of the Kansas City team that's resting. Some players. Give
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  Speaker 4: me reasons why they should feel confident about taking on
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  Speaker 4: a Chiefs team that's going to be resting some very
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  Speaker 4: key guys.
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  Speaker 5: Well, Mahomes will be in a you know, not on
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  Speaker 5: the field. So I think that's always the starting point.
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  Speaker 2: But since the Chiefs, but you know, again, you got
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  Speaker 2: a guy who's you know, helped lead a team get
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  Speaker 2: to a super Bowl in his career, and he's made
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  Speaker 2: a lot of starts, and you know, I still say,
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  Speaker 2: we we can't all sit here and talk about culture
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  Speaker 2: and all the rest of it and then ignore the
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  Speaker 2: fact that Chiefs have nothing but a roster full of
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  Speaker 2: guys who prepared for big games, been around big games,
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  Speaker 2: played in big games.
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  Speaker 5: Uh, but this is not a big game.
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  Speaker 4: You can't how do you manufacture that emotion.
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  Speaker 2: If an NFL player hasn't played all season and he
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  Speaker 2: gets a chance to play, it's a big.
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  Speaker 5: Game for him.
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  Speaker 2: We we forget that sometimes in the Moser forgets that
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  Speaker 2: trying to.
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  Speaker 5: Think everybody does you know I I talk to my neighbors.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody acts like this is a walkover.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, you know, put the sharpie with the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos in the playoffs, and I'm saying, you better just
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  Speaker 2: handle your business, and you better act like every player
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  Speaker 2: across from you is a chief starter.
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  Speaker 5: Then you'll have the best chance of making the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Hey man, they beat the Chargers. The Chiefs did in
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  Speaker 3: a game that didn't matter with Blaine Gabbert as their
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  Speaker 3: quarterback in the final game, so they've done this before.
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  Speaker 3: Just don't assume I think the Broncos will take care
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  Speaker 3: of business. I just don't like the assumption that it's
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  Speaker 3: a done deal Miami. And the other thing that people
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  Speaker 3: I think we need to understand. Cincinnati's not in the
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  Speaker 3: driver's seat here. Miami's in the driver's.
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  Speaker 5: Seat, and you know, and Vic.
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  Speaker 2: The Broncos don't want a tiebreaker with either of those teams.
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  Speaker 2: But if they finished, if Broncos finished nine and eight
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  Speaker 2: and somebody else finishes nine and eight, the Broncos don't
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  Speaker 2: go to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Why is that?
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  Speaker 5: Is that conference record AFC record?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Miami's AFC record will be better than the
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  Speaker 2: Broncos and the and the Bengals beat the Broncos head
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  Speaker 2: to head. So uh, if the Broncos finish tied at
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  Speaker 2: nine and eight with somebody, they don't go to the playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You don't strike me as a big conspiracy theory guy,
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  Speaker 1: but let me throw it out to you.
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  Speaker 5: I can't wait. Do the Chiefs Is it about a parade? No,
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  Speaker 5: it's not okay.
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  Speaker 1: Do the Chiefs prefer a matchup with Denver potentially in
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs over both sincey in Miami.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think the Chiefs care who they play in
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  Speaker 5: the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, all they do is collect trophies, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so they're the new Patriots. They don't care who they play,
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  Speaker 2: where they play. I mean, we've spent a season talking
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  Speaker 2: about how they don't look good. They're fifteen and one,
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  Speaker 2: so I mean, I just don't I just don't get
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  Speaker 2: all the discussion about the Chiefs having somehow backslid there,
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  Speaker 2: you know, back to everybody else they're fifteen and one.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they clinched everything before everybody else did.
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  Speaker 1: The second part of it though, And I'm with you,
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  Speaker 1: I don't buy into that at all, that they're going
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  Speaker 1: to lay down for the Broncos because they don't want
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  Speaker 1: to face Miami or anybody in the postseason. But I
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  Speaker 1: will say this, what Miami and Cincinnati pose as a
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  Speaker 1: problem that Denver doesn't is a consistent offense when they're healthy, like.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Joe Burrow, you know, other than Mahomes, you know again,
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  Speaker 2: you know it's just the Broncos problem is right here,
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  Speaker 2: in a nutshell, the AFC has most of the alphas
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  Speaker 2: at quarterback, and you know, if you don't.
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  Speaker 5: Get Mahomes, you're getting Burrow. If you don't get Burrow, you're.
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  Speaker 2: Getting Josh Allen, you're Josh Allen, you're getting Lamar. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you're down to five alpha quarterbacks. There's only seven playoff spots,
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  Speaker 2: So if you're in the AFC, you need one of
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  Speaker 2: the best quarterbacks in football to miss the playoffs for
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  Speaker 2: you to get in. And you know, that's just where
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  Speaker 2: it's at right now. I don't recall a time where
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  Speaker 2: one conference had this many guys who were just like
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  Speaker 2: MVP candidates every single year.
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  Speaker 1: And that's that's what's crazy though, because on top of that,
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  Speaker 1: Vic has mentioned this before, and I think he's right.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest issue that I see with the Broncos.
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  Speaker 1: Because if you look at like the explosive numbers, everybody's like,
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  Speaker 1: why don't we throw the ball down field? The Broncos
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  Speaker 1: are really good at getting explosive plays. Their issue is
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  Speaker 1: they go three and out a lot in between.
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  Speaker 5: They don't go just a lot.
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  Speaker 2: They lead the league twenty seven and a half percent
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  Speaker 2: of their drives are three and outs.
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  Speaker 5: They had two three and out drives in overtime yep, Saturday.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you just that's not a playoff offense.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty seven percent. You're worse than Carolina, You're worse than Cleveland,
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  Speaker 2: You're worse than Tennessee. I mean, they're last in the league.
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  Speaker 2: They have the most three and outs of any offense
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: It just seems that I can't get a read on
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  Speaker 3: what they want out of this offense. One week you're
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  Speaker 3: playing the Cleveland Browns and you're chucking the ball down
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  Speaker 3: the field every time. Then the next week you're just
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  Speaker 3: throwing screens. Why is that? Why is there so much?
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  Speaker 3: Why is it a home run or nothing? With this offense.
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  Speaker 3: That's the way it feels like to me.
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  Speaker 2: Because they you know that they're getting very specific looks
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  Speaker 2: from defenses, vic and because the quarterbacks in the gun
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  Speaker 2: all the time, and they don't challenge all areas of
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  Speaker 2: the field when he is in the gun. So they
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  Speaker 2: can either put him under center and offer more variety
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  Speaker 2: to defense, or they're going to have to be more
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  Speaker 2: accurate when they throw. His big play numbers are pretty good,
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  Speaker 2: but his accuracy numbers are not, and his yards per
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  Speaker 2: completion are not. Uh So, it's a low impact offense
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  Speaker 2: that isn't always accurate. And that's that's a tough mix
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  Speaker 2: to overcome against good teams. I mean, the teams they've beaten.
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  Speaker 2: You gotta I gotta look down so when I when I.
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  Speaker 5: Look at this, But.
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  Speaker 2: The teams they've beaten this year have a winning percentage
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  Speaker 2: of three forty six. Those are their wins. The teams
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  Speaker 2: they've lost to have a winning percentage of six seventy nine.
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  Speaker 2: Uh So, good defenses flumbox them and they have a
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  Speaker 2: difficult time.
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  Speaker 3: Why don't they put them under center?
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  Speaker 4: More.
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  Speaker 3: Why don't they get that play action working way? Don't
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  Speaker 3: think he got running back downhill?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I give Sean Payton credit. He's running more
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  Speaker 2: play action than he ever has as a head coach.
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  Speaker 5: Uh. But that said, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: Always fooling everybody from the gun because you're you're sort
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  Speaker 2: of surrendering half of the field in the run play.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's just a comfort level. Everything they
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  Speaker 2: do on offense right now is to make a rookie
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  Speaker 2: quarterback as comfortable as possible and to protect him. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: look at Caleb Williams's sack numbers. It might take him
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  Speaker 2: two years to recover from this. You can't get hit
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  Speaker 2: that many times. Nothing ruins a quarterback prospect like getting hit.
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  Speaker 2: And you know this one's gonna leave a mark in Chicago.
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  Speaker 2: You just can't let the guy get sacked that many times.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff lest thing, what's the vibe around the around Dell Valley,
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  Speaker 4: around the room and all that sort of thing? Is it?
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  Speaker 3: Is it tense?
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  Speaker 4: Is it loose?
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  Speaker 3: How does it feel?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
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  Speaker 2: I think they you know, outwardly, it feels pretty normal,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and you know, yesterday they're in the locker
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  Speaker 2: room and they're watching the bowl game, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: the rest of America. You know, it's it's they're putting
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  Speaker 2: in the work, they're you know that the I think
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  Speaker 2: the rookie court, I think bo Nix has said a
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  Speaker 2: great demeanor all season and and I think his teammates
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  Speaker 2: have responded to that.
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  Speaker 5: Uh. But I think the real question is in the moment.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 5: You know, this team hasn't always shown the maturity in
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  Speaker 5: the big moments, the football maturity. I mean, not not
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  Speaker 5: as people, but do you make the plays when you
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  Speaker 5: have the opportunity? And and you know that goes to
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  Speaker 5: Sean Payton too. You know, I don't know that they've
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  Speaker 5: I've had defensive coaches tell me this year, Uh, they
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  Speaker 5: just feel like they can wait, wait it out, and
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  Speaker 5: they'll get a mistake, they'll get a three and out.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, I think that's what a playoff team
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  Speaker 5: would do too.
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  Speaker 2: But if you're going to take this many three and
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  Speaker 2: outs to Buffalo, I think that's a bad recipe for
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  Speaker 2: for an upset.
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  Speaker 1: And we we talked about this like there's no meat
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  Speaker 1: left on the bone with how much we discussed this
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  Speaker 1: one thing. But going back to the last game, whether
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  Speaker 1: you wanted them to go for two or not. The
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  Speaker 1: reason that I wanted it is Sean Payton preaches aggressiveness
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  Speaker 1: and tough mentality, and it felt like you could have
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  Speaker 1: stood a lot to gain from a confidence standpoint of
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  Speaker 1: just saying let's go out there and try and win it.
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  Speaker 1: And I was surprised that he blinked and he tried
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  Speaker 1: the field goal unit out there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think it showed a tremendous amount of confidence.
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  Speaker 2: And where they are an offense, whether they'll admit that
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  Speaker 2: or not, I don't.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. I also, I think it's even more basic.
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  Speaker 2: I see Joe Burrow over there in a helmet, and
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  Speaker 2: if I have a chance to end the game, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna take the chance and end the game.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, now, if they don't make the two,
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  Speaker 2: everybody's critic. You know, we're we're you know, are we
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  Speaker 2: on this on the flip side of the coin? Are
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  Speaker 2: we ripping them because they didn't just tie and go
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  Speaker 2: to overtime? I would say, personally, I would not have
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  Speaker 2: said that. I would have said I think they made
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  Speaker 2: the right play. I you know, I think the players
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  Speaker 2: deep down would would want to go for the win
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  Speaker 2: in that situation. I mean again that you know, you
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  Speaker 2: almost never see a four possession overtime like we did
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  Speaker 2: in the first place, and and to have two three
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  Speaker 2: and outs in overtime, this shows you you weren't You
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  Speaker 2: didn't have momentum, You didn't have whatever it is you
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  Speaker 2: thought you were bringing into overtime.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And he always talks about the two point plays as
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  Speaker 2: the Christmas plays, you know, the presence you open. So
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  Speaker 2: you're telling me you don't have one play. Yeah, you'd
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  Speaker 2: be willing to run in that situation, get it to
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  Speaker 2: get the win that clinches your playoff spot. Now that's
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  Speaker 2: momentum into the postseason.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it all makes sense, you know, especially like I
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  Speaker 1: was just trying to go through all of the likelihoods
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  Speaker 1: of what could happen, and it's like, okay, first of all,
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  Speaker 1: you you'd think you got to win the coin flip
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  Speaker 1: in ot to make sure the Burrow doesn't get the
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  Speaker 1: ball first. But those numbers you turn it out there,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: twenty seven percent three and outs, there's no guarantee you
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  Speaker 1: win the coin flip, that you even end the game
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  Speaker 1: right there. It's not like you have one of these
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: mahomes Is. That's just like a guaranteed TV.
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  Speaker 5: That's my point.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they even got a defensive stop in overtime,
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  Speaker 2: it's still and still answered it with a three and out,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, and they they got a free nobody
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: to do with anything but the three and out after
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: the seventeen play drive the Bengals had.
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  Speaker 5: That changed the game.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Yep, Bengals scored their first touchdown on the next possession.
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  Speaker 5: It changed the game. That the tenor of the game
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: changed in that moment.
• 17:43
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