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The Kenny Report | 23 June · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Tonight Labour does a political deal
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Speaker 1: with the Greens to get its budget of lies and
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Speaker 1: broken promises through Parliament. I'll remind you how Labour has
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Speaker 1: failed to protect Jewish Australians and all Australians from Islamist
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Speaker 1: extremism and speak to the author of a Royal Commissions
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Speaker 1: submission on these issues. I'll talk to Sophie Illsworth in
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Speaker 1: London about the changing of the guard at Number ten
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Speaker 1: and whether anything will actually change. Also Tim Blair, Lisa
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Speaker 1: Goddard and Steven Senna Tiempo on the scrapping of e
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Speaker 1: bikes and plenty more. Six weeks on from the federal budget,
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Speaker 1: the Albaneze government has done a deal with the Greens
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Speaker 1: to pass its tax grabs, its broken promise tax grabs
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Speaker 1: through the Senate. It's a pretty tacky and worrying deal.
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Speaker 1: It includes new restrictions on self managed super funds to
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Speaker 1: stop them investing in housing, and there's a side deal
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Speaker 1: to delay reforms to the ndis a deal that will
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Speaker 1: extend an inquiry and push back legislation to curb the
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Speaker 1: costs so it'll cost taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars
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Speaker 1: extra and it will raise more questions about whether Labor
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Speaker 1: can ever really get this runaway scheme under control.
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Speaker 2: The Prime Minister has done a dangerous deal with the
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Speaker 2: Greens to ram through his toxic taxes. Prime Minister, will
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Speaker 2: Australians with a self managed super fund face higher tax
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Speaker 2: bills because of your dangerous steal.
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Speaker 1: Senate, we don't have the majority.
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Speaker 3: And therefore we have to engage constructively. Those opposite in
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Speaker 3: the three right wing parties all choose irrelevance. They all
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Speaker 3: choose irrelevance and not to debate for Labor.
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Speaker 1: It's a short term political win, but it's also an
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Speaker 1: embarrassing reality check on who their political allies really are.
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Speaker 4: On balance, this package is a small step in the
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Speaker 4: right direction. It is a small step.
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Speaker 5: It could have been so much better, but it.
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Speaker 4: Is a small step in the right direction and the
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Speaker 4: Greens will vote to see it pass the Parliament this fortnight.
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Speaker 1: In a fiery question time, the Opposition leader went in hard.
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Speaker 2: My question is to the Prime Minister. In March last year,
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister said I don't negotiate with the Greens.
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Speaker 6: When will you stop lying.
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Speaker 1: Now that's clearly unparliamentary language, and Taylor was forced to withdraw,
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Speaker 1: but he made his point. But the pain from Labour's
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Speaker 1: budget mess, it's impact on the housing market and also
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Speaker 1: on business investment more broadly, is far from over. And
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Speaker 1: when it comes to winning the trust of voters, surely
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanesi and Jim Charmers are now a busted flush.
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Speaker 1: More evidence today confirms this government has failed in its
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Speaker 1: prime duty to keep Australian safe, to protect our community.
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Speaker 1: The Albanzi Labor government is the government, as you know,
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Speaker 1: that saw horrendous antisemitism arise in this country within hours
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Speaker 1: of the October the seventh atrocities carried out in southern
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Speaker 1: Israel by Hummus terrorists and their supporters invading from Gaza
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. The Albanzi Labor government is the
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Speaker 1: one that saw Muslim groups gather in Sydney to celebrate
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Speaker 1: that slaughter of Israelis and Jews, to cheer on the
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Speaker 1: murders and the kidnappeasks, and the government did nothing in response,
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Speaker 1: no arrests, no warnings, nothing. The very next day we
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Speaker 1: saw the Pauling rally at the Opera House denouncing Jews,
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Speaker 1: denouncing Israel, threatening Jews and promoting Jew hatred, and the
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Speaker 1: Albanesi Labor government did nothing, no arrests, no warnings, nothing,
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Speaker 1: Today we've learned more about how while all this Jew hatred,
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Speaker 1: all this Islamist extremism, all this anti Semitism was building
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Speaker 1: in Australia, the Albanezi Labor government was desperate to talk
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Speaker 1: up Islamophobia, to focus on and investigate so called Islamophobia. Obviously,
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Speaker 1: they were worried that Muslim groups might criticize them for
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Speaker 1: tackling anti Semitism, so they were desperate also to build
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Speaker 1: a false equivalence about alleged Islamophobia as well. The Australian
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Speaker 1: newspaper reported today on a submission to the Bondi Royal
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Speaker 1: Commission revealing that the Albanesi government delayed appointing a special
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Speaker 1: on anti Semitism for months because it was trying to
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Speaker 1: find someone else to be a special envoy for Islamophobia
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Speaker 1: at the same time. I'll speak to the submissions author later,
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Speaker 1: but it's just more evidence of Labour's weakness, of the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister's abandoning of Jewish Australians in their greatest hour
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Speaker 1: of need just more evidence of how Labour's in action
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Speaker 1: helped to create the toxic environment that built up for
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Speaker 1: more than two years ahead of the Bondai terror attack,
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Speaker 1: the worst terror attack in this nation's history. Just to
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Speaker 1: demonstrate again how clear all this was, how the warnings
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Speaker 1: and pleas for more action were there for years. Let
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Speaker 1: me show you how we called out this pathetic focus
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Speaker 1: on Islamophobia all the way along. Albanizi has never called
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Speaker 1: out Islam's extremism. He's never called Muslim leaders together to
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Speaker 1: demand they do more to fight radicalization. He's never gone
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Speaker 1: to Muslim communities to enjoin them in this fight. I've
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Speaker 1: been saying it for ten months now, but it's absolutely
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Speaker 1: crucial that the Prime Minister shows some leadership here. He
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Speaker 1: needs to be rebuking anti Semitism and hate preaching. His
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Speaker 1: ambivalence and moral equivalence is fueling rather than quelling, the
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Speaker 1: social tensions in this country. Political leaders have been weak
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Speaker 1: in calling out anti Semitism too, and the key always
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Speaker 1: to talk about and imagined islamophobia. In fact, whenever he
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Speaker 1: condemns anti semitism, he also mentions Islamophobia, which we've not
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Speaker 1: seen in this country. He cites a pretend problem as
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Speaker 1: some way to balance out or even downplay the real
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Speaker 1: hatred being directed at Jewish communities.
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Speaker 4: What there's no place for is anti Semitism or Islamophobia.
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Speaker 1: There they go, a, yeah, with islamophobia. Where is the Islamophobia?
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Speaker 1: Why raise this false equivalence when you were confronting the
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Speaker 1: blatant anti semitism on our campuses. Yeah, and now we
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Speaker 1: learn that after being begged to appoint an envoid to
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Speaker 1: tackle anti Semitism and agreeing to do that, Albanezi delayed
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Speaker 1: for month after month, for six months, in fact, because
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Speaker 1: he wanted to find an envoy for Islamophobia too. And
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Speaker 1: after all of this inaction and indolence about anti Semitism
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Speaker 1: and Islamist extremism had gone on for more than two years,
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Speaker 1: after the Australian Jewish community had endured attacks and fire
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Speaker 1: bombings and regular hateful and threatening protests, protests that were
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Speaker 1: fueled by the government's rhetoric and its foreign policy positions.
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Speaker 1: After the Australian Jewish community had been abandoned by their
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Speaker 1: government for more than two years, I returned to this topic,
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Speaker 1: citing it as the greatest challenge for the country in
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Speaker 1: my final editorial last year. Yet today again when talking
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Speaker 1: about anti Semitism a scourge he's allowed to fester, a
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Speaker 1: scourge he's done far too little to confront. Over the
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Speaker 1: past two years, the Prime Minister couldn't mention anti semitism
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Speaker 1: without the weasel words of false equivalence.
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Speaker 3: There has been a rise in anti Semitism. We need
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Speaker 3: to make sure that we address those issues, and my
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Speaker 3: government will continue to do that. We need to continue
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Speaker 3: to address Islamophobia wherever we see it, wherever we see
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Speaker 3: any discrimination against any group.
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Speaker 1: He's done nothing to combat the very real problem of
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Speaker 1: anti Semitism, and he makes that indolence worse by equating
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Speaker 1: it with the largely confected issue of so called Islamophobia. Tragically,
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Speaker 1: just three days later we experienced the horrors of the
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Speaker 1: Bondai terror attack. Just three days later. The government had
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Speaker 1: been warned for more than two years. People pleaded for
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Speaker 1: action for more than two years, people pleaded for leadership
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Speaker 1: for more than two years. They got next to nothing.
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Speaker 1: Even today, Anthony Albernezi won't mention the threat of Islamist extremism,
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Speaker 1: the threat that looms over Jewish communities and the whole country.
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Speaker 1: Every day, the threat that disrupts our social cohesion, the
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Speaker 1: threat that Labor cannot confront because it's too busy talking
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Speaker 1: about Islamophobia. It's all rather telling and timely because the
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Speaker 1: immigration debate and Pauline Hansen's monoculture aspirations have broadened into
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Speaker 1: a debate about Australian values and the Coalition is promising
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Speaker 1: to be more selective about who is allowed into this country.
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Speaker 7: How do you feel about Poynt Hanson's idea of monoculture
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Speaker 7: being that in placed.
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Speaker 1: In this country.
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Speaker 8: Well, the culture I want to see in this country
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Speaker 8: is people in this country who believe in and support
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Speaker 8: Australian values.
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Speaker 1: We've been very clear on this.
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Speaker 8: A commitment to our parliamentary democracy, a commitment to the
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Speaker 8: rule of law, a commitment to our basic freedoms, a
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Speaker 8: commitment to equal respect and dignity of all Australians.
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Speaker 1: That's what we believe in. But the Albanize Labor government
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Speaker 1: refuses to discuss these issues properly. Rather, it creates a
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Speaker 1: political divide. It seeks a political advantage over what it
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Speaker 1: frames as a divisive debate. This side of the.
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Speaker 9: House recognizes in Australian values, be fast an important contribution
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Speaker 9: made by multicultural.
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Speaker 1: Australian, mister Speaker.
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Speaker 6: Not for this side of the house, this rubbish.
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Speaker 9: Playing foot sea with the monoculture language being.
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Speaker 6: Pushed around by the One Nation Party.
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Speaker 9: Mister Speaker, he was asked again and again to define
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Speaker 9: and defend basic Australian values and he is unable, unwilling,
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Speaker 9: incapable of doing that, mister Speaker.
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Speaker 1: And this is why the Liberal.
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Speaker 6: Party is dying in his arms.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Labor is always passionate about politics, about fighting Tories,
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Speaker 1: not so much about fighting anti Semitism and Islamist extremism.
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Speaker 1: Have a listened to the weak and waffly Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: trying to explain his version of diversity is strength.
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Speaker 3: We had from the arrival of the first fleet. Not
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Speaker 3: everyone was at one. There were some in Chaine and
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Speaker 3: some who are in charge of the people in Chaine,
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Speaker 3: the Catholics and Protestants. We have had a rich culture
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Speaker 3: and when we look at the Sokkarus we see examples
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Speaker 3: of that rich culture. People who are proud of their ethnicity,
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Speaker 3: of who they are, but also who are proud Australian
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Speaker 3: and representing our great nation and the whole country will
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Speaker 3: be cheering them on on Friday at twelve o'clock, and
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Speaker 3: I hope that the country stops for a little bit
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Speaker 3: during that time.
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Speaker 10: Too.
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Speaker 1: We are look, who knows what all that means except
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Speaker 1: he wants to watch the soccer on Friday. The point
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Speaker 1: is that one group of Australians, Jewish Australians, has been
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Speaker 1: targeted like no other in this country's history. Jewish Australians
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Speaker 1: have been pilloried, threatened, attacked and even massacred. Nothing like
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Speaker 1: this has happened to any other group in our modern history.
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Speaker 1: And Jewish Australians live with this real and present threat still,
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Speaker 1: and the Albanezy government still abandons them, still will not
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Speaker 1: tackle Islamis extremism, still is loath to even mention it.
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Speaker 1: Let's be clear, as I've been saying for two and
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Speaker 1: a half years or more now, this imperils Australia. The
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Speaker 1: weakness of the federal government on these issues imperils Australian
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Speaker 1: Jewish communities and Muslim communities and all Australians. We live
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Speaker 1: in hope, in desperate hope that something sometime will alert
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Speaker 1: them to their duties here, their responsibilities to keep us safe,
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Speaker 1: to keep us one and free but Alas two years
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Speaker 1: of hateful attacks and protests haven't moved them incredibly, even
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Speaker 1: the Bondai massacre hasn't focused their minds. Perhaps the only
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Speaker 1: hope now is the Royal Commission. Will it be bold
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Speaker 1: and strong enough to remind the government about Australian values
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Speaker 1: and its responsibility to protect them. Let's go to Canberra
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Speaker 1: now and catch up with the Shadow Communications Minister Sarah Henderson.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Sir Sarah. I want to get
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Speaker 1: to your views on the latest developments on the budget
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Speaker 1: and this deal that Labor and Anthony Albanezi have done
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Speaker 1: with the Greens. It's pretty much what you would have expected,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. To get it through the Senate, they were
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Speaker 1: going to have to do a deal with the Greens.
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Speaker 5: Well, Chris, good afternoon.
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Speaker 11: This is a dirty, rotten deal between the Labor Greens government,
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Speaker 11: which portrays Australians, which imposes higher taxes on housing, on
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Speaker 11: small businesses, on investment and on self managed super This
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Speaker 11: is a disgrace. This Prime Minister lies through his back
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Speaker 11: teeth every single day. Australians cannot trust him. That's why
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Speaker 11: they are so angry, That's why we are so angry
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Speaker 11: and that's where are fighting this every step of the way.
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Speaker 5: Chris.
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Speaker 11: We've made it very clear our plan is to repel
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Speaker 11: these toxic taxes. That's why we are working day and
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Speaker 11: night to get ourselves elected to give Australians a fair
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Speaker 11: go so they can invest in their future, in their families,
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Speaker 11: in their small businesses.
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Speaker 5: And let's not forget.
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Speaker 11: Chris, this is a shocking attack on younger Australians, those
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Speaker 11: Australians saving for their future. It hits them harder than
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Speaker 11: anyone else. So shame on Anthony Albanesi. A shocking prime minister,
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Speaker 11: the worst in living memory, the biggest lieout we've ever seen.
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Speaker 11: Boy oh boy, Chris, we are angry and we are
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Speaker 11: going to fight this like no tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: I can see that, and it is shocking. I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to of course, it's broken promises, and of course
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Speaker 1: additional taxes are only going to hurt the economy and
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Speaker 1: young people rather than help them. But of course the
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Speaker 1: Greens are even further to the left them Labor, so
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Speaker 1: you can kind of expect their deals around the taxation arrangements,
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Speaker 1: the changes they've bargained over with Labor to change some
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Speaker 1: of the super funded changes and create even more taxes
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Speaker 1: on housing. But what astounds me is the completely unrelated
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Speaker 1: matter of the ndis the runaway scheme that Labor has
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Speaker 1: to try and get under control. How could labor possibly
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Speaker 1: roll over and delay those changes just to appease the
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Speaker 1: Greens and get their budget bills through.
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Speaker 11: Well, Chris, this government will do anything to cement its
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Speaker 11: lies and broken promises. It will do any deal. We
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Speaker 11: have seen lie after lie. This Prime Minister cannot be
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Speaker 11: trusted every time he opens his mouth. Australians need to say, mate,
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Speaker 11: we do not trust you. We no longer want you
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Speaker 11: as our prime minister. You are not fit to lead
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Speaker 11: our country. I have to say, of all the time
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Speaker 11: that I've been in Parliament, Chris, I am perhaps more
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Speaker 11: angry today than almost any other day because this is
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Speaker 11: an egregious breach of trust and this hurts so many Australians.
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Speaker 11: Australians who banked on laws knowing there would be no
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Speaker 11: changes to capital gains tax or negative gearing or self
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Speaker 11: managed super so that they could plan for their future.
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Speaker 11: We now see the housing market in many respects is
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Speaker 11: starting to crash. Auction sales are going through the floor.
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Speaker 11: The economy is in tatters. So we are determined to
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Speaker 11: get the economy back on track, with of course our
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Speaker 11: tax back guarantee up to one thousand dollars back for
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Speaker 11: every Australian over four years automatically back in people's pockets.
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Speaker 11: We are determined to stop mass migration, and we are
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Speaker 11: determined to drive common sense Australian values back to our
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Speaker 11: nation because I tell you this nation is going off
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Speaker 11: the cliff under this government.
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Speaker 1: Now, Anthony Albanesi's great labor mate, Kirs Starmer, has resigned
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Speaker 1: the Prime ministership in London. We'll be crossing to London later,
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Speaker 1: but some, including Pauline Hanson, are suggesting that Anthony Alberanzi
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Speaker 1: should follow him. Have a look.
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Speaker 12: I'd love it, and so would the Australian people. As
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Speaker 12: I started up via the liar with the four point
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Speaker 12: eight million dollars in funding from austrain people donation, it's
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Speaker 12: it's clear that the people don't want the new alban
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Speaker 12: EASi as the primister of this country any longer. Big
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Speaker 12: issue in Britain that I can see is about the
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Speaker 12: mass migration people coming into the country. People don't feel
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Speaker 12: the British anymore. They can't fly the flag and I
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Speaker 12: see the same thing happening here in Australia, So he
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Speaker 12: wants to take a few lessons from that. Our economy
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Speaker 12: is in the toilet.
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Speaker 1: Actually, Sarah Henderson is paul On Hanson right. Well.
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Speaker 11: I think all Australians are saying, why is this prime
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Speaker 11: minister continuing to lead our country?
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Speaker 5: How can we trust him?
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Speaker 11: And like kre Starma, I think he is going in
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Speaker 11: the same direction, and he needs to go in the
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Speaker 11: same direction. He has fundamentally broken trust, and particularly when
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Speaker 11: it comes to energy, the mismanagement of our energy system,
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Speaker 11: this mismanagement of migration, and that's having enormous impacts.
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Speaker 5: Australians are looking.
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Speaker 11: To the UK and seeing on an absolute mess the
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Speaker 11: UK is, particularly with migration. And let me tell you,
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Speaker 11: Anthony Albinezi is going in the same direction. He is
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Speaker 11: destroying our country, Chris, He is literally destroying our country.
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Speaker 11: We need to get our country back on track. And
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Speaker 11: Andre Angus Taylor and the Coalition we have the credible plan,
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Speaker 11: we have the ambition, we have the conviction, and we
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Speaker 11: have the fight in us every single day.
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Speaker 1: Just one other issue that keeps coming up in Parliament
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Speaker 1: in your portfolio area, Sarah Henderson in communications is artificial intelligence,
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Speaker 1: the AI revelation revolution that's changing everything. The government is
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Speaker 1: assuring people that it's going to look after their intellectual property,
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Speaker 1: look after copyright interests of everyone. Do you have any
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Speaker 1: concerns in that area.
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Speaker 5: Chris, I do have concerns.
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Speaker 11: We put the government under a lot of pressure through
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Speaker 11: a Senate inquiry last year when they were trying to
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Speaker 11: do a very sneaky deal to sell off the intellectual
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Speaker 11: property rights of creative And when we talk about creatives,
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Speaker 11: we're talking from everyone from publishers to writers, to artists
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Speaker 11: to musicians, and we held the government to account. They
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Speaker 11: crawled back from that position. They're now saying they're doing nothing.
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Speaker 11: But I just simply don't believe them because we've got
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Speaker 11: the big AI platforms, the foreign AI platforms running around
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Speaker 11: trying to do deals and do everything to sell off
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Speaker 11: the intellectual property rights of Australian creatives. We will not
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Speaker 11: tolerate it under any circumstances, and as I say, we
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Speaker 11: will fight this every step of the way.
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Speaker 1: Is the technology moving faster than the legislators can keep.
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Speaker 11: Up, well, Chris, I have a very strong view that
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Speaker 11: We have a very significant copyright protection system in this
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Speaker 11: country and for any creative who does create their own
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Speaker 11: intellectual property works.
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Speaker 5: That can must be protected under Australian law.
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Speaker 11: The only way that cannot be protected is if the
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Speaker 11: government decides to a men, do the Copyright Act in
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Speaker 11: some sleezy way and do some sleezy deal with the
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Speaker 11: likes of some of these AI.
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Speaker 5: Platforms that have been stalking the.
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Speaker 11: Corridors here in Parliament House and in other parts of
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Speaker 11: the world. So I can tell you if that's the
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Speaker 11: way they are thinking, they're trying to do some sleezy deal,
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Speaker 11: and there is some suggestion that that might be happening.
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Speaker 11: Boy oh boy, have they got a fight coming, because
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Speaker 11: we will not stand for it. We are here to
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Speaker 11: protect the rights of Australians and that includes the rights
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Speaker 11: of musicians and artists and writers and journalists protection of
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Speaker 11: their own intellectual property work.
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Speaker 5: So I'm a.
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Speaker 11: Former IP lawyer, I know this area very well and
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Speaker 11: I can tell you we are up for the fight.
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Speaker 1: Good stuff, Sarah, I didn't know that about you. I
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Speaker 1: knew you were a former journalist, but AI lawyer. Intellectual
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Speaker 1: property another string to the lawyer.
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Speaker 6: Yeh ip lawyer.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for joining us, Sarah Henderson. The fight up,
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Speaker 1: Sarah Henderson there in Camebra and why not now? As
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Speaker 1: I mentioned a moment ago, The Australian reported today on
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Speaker 1: a submission to the Bondai Royal Commission that the Albanezi
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Speaker 1: government delayter pointing a special Envoy on anti Semitism for
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Speaker 1: months because it was trying to find someone else to
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Speaker 1: be a special Envoy for Islamophobia at the same time.
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Speaker 1: I'm joined now by the man who wrote that submission,
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Speaker 1: Daniel Agion, who's the President of the Executive Council of
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Speaker 1: Australian Jury. Daniel, welcome to the program again. Let's start
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Speaker 1: at the starting point here. You're a part of a
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Speaker 1: delegation who went to the government and said that one
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Speaker 1: of the things they should do with the rising tide
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Speaker 1: of anti Semitism after October the seven, twenty twenty three
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Speaker 1: was to appoint a special Envoy on anti Semitism. The
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Speaker 1: government agreed, but they said they wanted to appoint someone
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Speaker 1: on Islamophobia as well. Did you object to that or
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Speaker 1: did you think that was fair enough?
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Speaker 13: Well, we workshopped what the government might do in answer
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Speaker 13: to our proposal. We went to them. It would have
22:58
Speaker 13: been late November early December, so not long after seven October,
23:03
Speaker 13: and we thought that's what they would probably come back with,
23:07
Speaker 13: that sort of even handed position of well, if we
23:09
Speaker 13: go to a point one, then we need to appoint another.
23:13
Speaker 13: And when they came back, we just say we were
23:16
Speaker 13: prepared and we said, well, look that's fine. If that's
23:18
Speaker 13: what we need to get the anti Semitism envoy, then
23:20
Speaker 13: so be it. But they've got to be different people
23:22
Speaker 13: because they're different issues. But it was expected.
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Speaker 1: But tell us then how it delayed the whole process.
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Speaker 13: Well, the delay was because it just seemed to take
23:34
Speaker 13: them a very, very long time to find an anti
23:37
Speaker 13: sorry an Islamophobia envoy. So despite the fact that we
23:41
Speaker 13: had rising antisemitism from seven October and it was just
23:45
Speaker 13: going up and up and up, and our figures were
23:47
Speaker 13: telling us that it was going up by many multiples
23:49
Speaker 13: of hundreds of percent, we.
23:51
Speaker 1: Were seeing it, we were seeing the attack. So it
23:53
Speaker 1: was horrific. Why couldn't they just appoint the on anti
23:56
Speaker 1: Semitism and say that they'll get around to islamophobia when
24:00
Speaker 1: they find someone. That's what they eventually did.
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Speaker 13: Or when they find Islamophobia.
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Speaker 6: See, this was the thing, Chris, that.
24:09
Speaker 13: There was a problem and there continues to be, of
24:12
Speaker 13: course in this country, a problem with antisemitism. We know,
24:16
Speaker 13: we know from long history that the best method of
24:19
Speaker 13: dealing with anti Semitism is you hit it hard and
24:22
Speaker 13: you hit it early. Yeah, and therefore you don't mess around,
24:26
Speaker 13: you don't wait. And so this was the frustration with
24:29
Speaker 13: the delay, that we were just being told, oh, well,
24:32
Speaker 13: we need to find the right person for this islamophobiaanvoy
24:36
Speaker 13: and in the meantime the problem was escalating and the
24:40
Speaker 13: government was just sitting by.
24:43
Speaker 1: This points to the bigger issue, though, isn't it why
24:46
Speaker 1: they always resort to talk of Islamophobia, this equivalence. Now,
24:51
Speaker 1: certainly I and I presume you would be appalled and
24:55
Speaker 1: opposed to anybody who discriminates or abuses anyone based on
24:59
Speaker 1: their Musli on faith. If there's any of that going on,
25:02
Speaker 1: it should be stamped out, it should be brought to
25:04
Speaker 1: people's attention, people should be prosecuted. But the simple fact
25:08
Speaker 1: is we've had synagogues, firebombed, childcare centers, firebombed Jewish schools,
25:15
Speaker 1: attacked Jewish properties, vandalized Jewish businesses, vandalized, we've even ended
25:19
Speaker 1: up having, of course, the Bondi massacre. All of this
25:22
Speaker 1: has been clear and horrible, horrible and obvious to everyone.
25:26
Speaker 1: Yet there's been no similar wave of Islamophobia. So why
25:32
Speaker 1: is the government so focused on creating some equivalents.
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Speaker 13: Well, here's the problem. This equivalence demeans what it is
25:40
Speaker 13: that we're talking about. I mean, Chris, if we had
25:44
Speaker 13: mosques attacked in this country, then of course we'd be
25:48
Speaker 13: saying I'd be saying, you would be saying, Chris, the
25:51
Speaker 13: average Australian would be saying, this is unacceptable. We will
25:54
Speaker 13: stand for it. We will not see mosques in this
25:57
Speaker 13: country attacked and and burned down. We won't have it
26:03
Speaker 13: because it's not Australian and we don't care to say ah,
26:06
Speaker 13: and we condemn anti semitisible, we condemned hindu phobia, or
26:11
Speaker 13: we sort of bracket it with something else that's not
26:14
Speaker 13: happening or not at the same level. But that was
26:17
Speaker 13: the approach that was taken because the government presumably wanted
26:21
Speaker 13: to have some kind of political even handedness. And it's
26:23
Speaker 13: not a political point. It's a question of the Australia
26:27
Speaker 13: that we want to have for all of us.
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Speaker 1: Right, and the key point, as you mentioned, it diminishes
26:32
Speaker 1: the very real problem at hand that they need to
26:35
Speaker 1: tackle and we all need to tackle. Thanks for joining us, Daniel,
26:38
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Daniel Aggie on there, who's made that
26:41
Speaker 1: submission to the Royal Commission. I hope they examine those
26:43
Speaker 1: issues very carefully. You've got to confront the menace that
26:48
Speaker 1: confronts our country and threatens all of us. Now, don't
26:51
Speaker 1: pretend it away, don't look for false equivalents. Confronted now.
26:56
Speaker 1: Coming up after the break, we'll catch up with Tim Blair.
26:58
Speaker 1: We'll see about the latest when it comes to peace
27:01
Speaker 1: in the Middle East. Now, Donald Trump has launched a
27:08
Speaker 1: renewed threat against Iran if they don't agree to the
27:11
Speaker 1: final peace Plan, and he says the Strait of mus
27:14
Speaker 1: remains open.
27:17
Speaker 6: We have total control of the street. You know, we
27:20
Speaker 6: have a navy that had a blockade.
27:23
Speaker 14: I think the blockade was more impactful than dropping bombs.
27:26
Speaker 14: As long as they respect us, we're going to be fine.
27:29
Speaker 14: They don't respect us, things would be good, but they
27:31
Speaker 14: have a lot of respect.
27:34
Speaker 1: Let me go to the Daily Telegraphs. Tim Blair, good
27:36
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Again, Tim, Look, I was pretty
27:38
Speaker 1: disappointed with this deal when it was first announced because
27:41
Speaker 1: it looked like Trump was backing down. But I'm more
27:44
Speaker 1: encouraged now because you know, he's not giving them everything
27:47
Speaker 1: they want. He's threatening more action, demanding that that I
27:52
Speaker 1: run abandoned its nuclear weapons still and obviously keeps the
27:55
Speaker 1: straight open.
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Speaker 15: Absolutely, this is a long established path, and with Donald Trump,
28:01
Speaker 15: we write him off at our peril. And like you,
28:06
Speaker 15: I've had moments of great concern, great worry about the
28:08
Speaker 15: progress of the Iranian the confrontation with the Mulis, and
28:12
Speaker 15: there were massive early successes which may have set us
28:15
Speaker 15: up for that disappointment. That we had high expectations that
28:19
Speaker 15: were met early on. Then things definitely got a little squarely,
28:23
Speaker 15: they've got a little gray areas began to emerge. Now, however,
28:27
Speaker 15: as you say, we might be back on not to
28:31
Speaker 15: not to make any jokes about it, but back on
28:33
Speaker 15: the straight and narrow. We might be heading towards the progress.
28:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:36
Speaker 6: Of course, jd.
28:37
Speaker 1: Vance has been in Switzerland and eyeballed the Iranians. Here's
28:40
Speaker 1: some of what he had to say.
28:42
Speaker 16: We have the Iranians allowing weapons inspectors, nuclear inspectors into
28:46
Speaker 16: their country for the first time in a long time.
28:48
Speaker 16: We're obviously going to bolster those inspection, that inspection regime
28:52
Speaker 16: to make sure they can never have a nuclear weapon.
28:55
Speaker 1: I mean, if this happens, If this happens, if you
28:57
Speaker 1: have International Atomic Energy Agency or the like verifying the
29:03
Speaker 1: diffusing if you like of the Iranian nuclear weapons program,
29:08
Speaker 1: well then that's victory. That's game set and match.
29:11
Speaker 15: You very much hope so as well. It is good
29:13
Speaker 15: to see that JD. Evans has got such a high
29:15
Speaker 15: profile role in this because Trump, for all of his
29:18
Speaker 15: achievements and history, I think will rate him higher than
29:21
Speaker 15: a lot of current people do. Trump is on the
29:23
Speaker 15: way out. He's a two term president and he's time limited.
29:27
Speaker 15: It is good to see that the person you must
29:29
Speaker 15: assume is the presumptive next presidential nominee for the Republican side,
29:33
Speaker 15: he's so deeply invested in something because if it goes wrong,
29:36
Speaker 15: he pays a personal political toll. And I'd ask the
29:39
Speaker 15: people compare this to the form of Vice president who
29:43
Speaker 15: was made the Czar of Border Protection and she's now vanished,
29:48
Speaker 15: thank god.
29:48
Speaker 1: Well, well, the two most likely are both heavily invested
29:51
Speaker 1: of course Marco Rubio and jd Evan, So that's a
29:54
Speaker 1: very sound point. I just want to show what the
29:56
Speaker 1: IDF the Israelis have found ten kilometers north of the
30:00
Speaker 1: border into Lebanon here because I get sick of people
30:03
Speaker 1: saying the Israeli should stop bombing Lebanon. They are not
30:06
Speaker 1: bombing Lebanon. They are attacking Hesbala, still backed by Iran,
30:10
Speaker 1: still attacking Israel from Lebanon. And here ten kilometers inside
30:15
Speaker 1: the Lebanese border, that found these tunnels laden with drones
30:19
Speaker 1: and missiles that have been pummeling northern Israel.
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Speaker 15: Tim, let's make the theme of tonight's appearance the repetition
30:28
Speaker 15: of patterns, because we had exactly the same patterns with
30:31
Speaker 15: her Mass, and it was routinely presented as attacks on
30:35
Speaker 15: freedom loving and victimized peoples. And tunnels is a real
30:39
Speaker 15: theme here, isn't it. There's always weapons and high grade
30:43
Speaker 15: launching capacity hidden and concealed, often below things like schools
30:47
Speaker 15: and hospitals, and when they are attacked, as you say,
30:49
Speaker 15: it's always presented as though it's against just innocent bystanders
30:53
Speaker 15: and not against Hesbalah and her mass and all the
30:56
Speaker 15: other multiplicity of Fatar, all the other groups who have
30:59
Speaker 15: had this coming for a damn long time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course the counterfactual to this, if you
31:04
Speaker 1: suggest that Israel shouldn't be taking out these Hesbella but
31:10
Speaker 1: installations and the like, well, the only alternative is you
31:15
Speaker 1: allow has Bila to keep firing on innocent people in Israel.
31:19
Speaker 1: That's effectively what you're saying. And also it's worth noting
31:23
Speaker 1: that under a United Nations Security Council Resolutions seventeen oh one,
31:28
Speaker 1: I think it is, over the past nearly twenty years,
31:31
Speaker 1: the UN has been charged with keeping Hesbala and all
31:35
Speaker 1: these weapons out of southern Lebanon, which obviously not done.
31:40
Speaker 15: The UN should be charged with a lot of things,
31:42
Speaker 15: Chris let's I'll leave that point just to hang in
31:45
Speaker 15: the air for people to consider any which way they
31:47
Speaker 15: prove they wish.
31:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just an incredible failure by them, and it's
31:51
Speaker 1: proven every day. Thanks for joining us, Tim, I appreciate it.
31:53
Speaker 1: Tim Blair there joining us from Western Victoria. Read his
31:56
Speaker 1: stuff in the Daily Telegraph. I want to now catch
31:59
Speaker 1: up with Zoey mckenn's, who, of course his shadow Cabinet secretary.
32:02
Speaker 1: She joins us from Parliament House, Canberra, where it's all
32:04
Speaker 1: been happening today. Thanks for joining us again, Zoe. I've
32:07
Speaker 1: got to get your thoughts on some of the commentary
32:10
Speaker 1: that's been around, and it's been fleshed out by Paul
32:12
Speaker 1: Enhancing herself lately saying that she's pretty keen to work
32:16
Speaker 1: with the Coalition. There shouldn't be a competition between the
32:19
Speaker 1: Coalition and one Nation, but they could actually work together.
32:21
Speaker 1: That's unusual coming from Herbie because her whole sort of
32:25
Speaker 1: stick is that it's the Yuner Party that she's opposed,
32:27
Speaker 1: that is Labor and the Liberals.
32:30
Speaker 5: Well possibly, but I've heard her say equally.
32:33
Speaker 17: As often that she is determined to get rid of Labor,
32:37
Speaker 17: both at the federal level, and most recently when she
32:40
Speaker 17: appeared in my state by election seat of Nepean, she
32:43
Speaker 17: said the same thing. She doesn't want to see her
32:46
Speaker 17: just enter Alman government in Victoria, and she doesn't want
32:48
Speaker 17: to see an Anthony Albanesi government in Canberra. And let
32:51
Speaker 17: me tell you, I agree with her one hundred percent
32:53
Speaker 17: on all of that. I think the thing we saw
32:55
Speaker 17: in Nepean was that roughly sixty five percent of people
32:59
Speaker 17: were taking anything but Labor in terms of their how
33:02
Speaker 17: to vote cahn'ts. They were very clear that they don't
33:05
Speaker 17: want to be Labor, Teal Green or all their allied
33:09
Speaker 17: little lefty mats. That's not what they want in charge
33:13
Speaker 17: of the State of Victoria and the nation, and that
33:17
Speaker 17: is something we can work on.
33:18
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's very clear. I think that's obviously
33:22
Speaker 1: a point of commonality between the coalition parties and One
33:25
Speaker 1: Nation is that they want to get rid of the
33:27
Speaker 1: Labor government. And to the extent that anyone who wants
33:31
Speaker 1: to argue between the two, you know, there's obviously all
33:33
Speaker 1: sorts of frictions and all sorts of problems, but you
33:37
Speaker 1: are united on that point. But there are reports out
33:41
Speaker 1: of them. There are reports out of the party room
33:43
Speaker 1: meeting that you would have been at today saying that
33:46
Speaker 1: Andrew Hasty has said that he'd rather be carried out
33:49
Speaker 1: in a box than cooperate with One Nation.
33:53
Speaker 17: But let me be clear, we agree that Labor is
33:56
Speaker 17: doing a terrible job federally and at the state level.
34:00
Speaker 17: We have very different proposals for the Australian people. I,
34:05
Speaker 17: for example, have no idea where Pauline Hanson and her
34:09
Speaker 17: party members stand on things like trade education, higher education,
34:13
Speaker 17: vocational education, housing. So there are myriad things. Remember we
34:19
Speaker 17: are a party of government. We are a full service party.
34:22
Speaker 1: We have to have.
34:23
Speaker 17: Both plans and capability across the entire spectrum of what
34:28
Speaker 17: the Commonwealth Government does for the Australian people. We don't
34:32
Speaker 17: yet know what Poorly and Hanson and her team's plans
34:35
Speaker 17: are for Australians. The good news is she fronted up
34:39
Speaker 17: to the Press Club last week and she will have
34:41
Speaker 17: to do much more in terms of giving a detailed
34:44
Speaker 17: plan to the Australian people.
34:46
Speaker 5: But we already have.
34:47
Speaker 17: Over work on foot to develop that plan. I'm co
34:51
Speaker 17: chair of the Policy Development Committee and we are moving
34:54
Speaker 17: at pace to develop a full spectrum of plans to
34:58
Speaker 17: get this country back in a strong economic state. That
35:02
Speaker 17: is our key aspiration and that is the conversation we
35:05
Speaker 17: will be having with the austrain people under the banner
35:08
Speaker 17: of the coalition, the Liberal Party and the National Party
35:11
Speaker 17: in the lead up from here to the twenty twenty
35:13
Speaker 17: eight election.
35:15
Speaker 1: Now on your other flank, there is talk of the
35:17
Speaker 1: Tills forming a party. Would you be worried about a
35:20
Speaker 1: Till Party candidate running against you in.
35:22
Speaker 17: Flinders, So it sounds like we're going to have the
35:26
Speaker 17: Zali party and then we're going to still have the
35:29
Speaker 17: tills and it's a bit of jostling to say who's
35:32
Speaker 17: going to land in which column. At this point in time,
35:34
Speaker 17: what I think we need to remind everyone is this
35:37
Speaker 17: atrocious budget that we're seeing play out today in Canberra
35:41
Speaker 17: that was aided and ambitted from the word go by
35:45
Speaker 17: the Teal movement. Allegra Spnder was out there saying we
35:48
Speaker 17: need to fix CGT, we need to fix negative gearing
35:50
Speaker 17: and gives what my TiAl in Flinders was saying exactly
35:55
Speaker 17: the same thing. Not pushing for more housing, pushing for
35:59
Speaker 17: more tax on housing, and as we well know, that
36:03
Speaker 17: means if you take away negative gearing, you will have
36:05
Speaker 17: thirty five thousand less houses built. The PM's always talking
36:08
Speaker 17: about public housing, these public housing that we're building, so
36:11
Speaker 17: bitter and they get what. Confidence in the construction industry
36:16
Speaker 17: is at rock bottom, so the numbers of houses being
36:19
Speaker 17: built will be less. And at the same time, the
36:21
Speaker 17: government seems to be doing everything it can to make
36:24
Speaker 17: it a design feature of the Australian economy to crash
36:27
Speaker 17: the real estate market.
36:29
Speaker 1: Indeed, that's where we're heading at the moment. Thanks for
36:31
Speaker 1: joining us, Zoe, I appreciate it. Zoe McKenzie there in camera,
36:34
Speaker 1: the Member for Flinders in Victoria. Yeah, those teals, never
36:38
Speaker 1: forget Teal is just another shade of green. It's also
36:42
Speaker 1: one of the colors for Port Adelaide too, so it's
36:44
Speaker 1: not a great color. We're going to get to a break.
36:46
Speaker 1: On the other side, we'll cross to London and find
36:48
Speaker 1: out about the changing of the guard at Number ten
36:51
Speaker 1: Downing Street. As we were suggesting last night, former Manchester
36:59
Speaker 1: Mayor Andy Burnham looks like being unopposed to succeed Keirstammer
37:03
Speaker 1: after Kirstamer resigned as the British Prime Minister. Just we
37:07
Speaker 1: went off here last night. This tumult comes less than
37:11
Speaker 1: two years after Stamer lad Labor to a landslide victory.
37:15
Speaker 1: Here's the latest from sky News UK.
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Speaker 18: The sixth Prime Minister to leave office in a decade,
37:22
Speaker 18: brought down not by the ballot box but his own side.
37:26
Speaker 18: His staff and allies watched on.
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Speaker 10: And when I leave the biggest job in the country,
37:32
Speaker 10: I shall spend more time on the most important job,
37:37
Speaker 10: being the best husband I can to my fantastic wife Vick,
37:41
Speaker 10: who has been a rock by my side through good
37:44
Speaker 10: times and bad, and being the best dad I can
37:49
Speaker 10: to my beautiful children who are my pride and my joy.
37:53
Speaker 18: Nearly a decade after leaving Parliament, we know.
37:56
Speaker 19: Come to Wundy Burnham, Member for maker Field.
38:02
Speaker 18: Burnham cheered on as he returned sworn in again as
38:06
Speaker 18: an MP as he journeys to PM.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to London now and catch up with News
38:12
Speaker 1: Corp Europe, corresponded our great mate and Skye News contributor
38:15
Speaker 1: Sophie Elsworth. Thanks for joining us, Sophia. Finally all unfolded
38:20
Speaker 1: last night in real time for you as you've been
38:23
Speaker 1: predicting for such a long while. Is there anything that
38:26
Speaker 1: could go wrong for Burnham now? Is there any chance
38:28
Speaker 1: that another labor hand might put themselves up for the job,
38:32
Speaker 1: So there's a contest that would slow everything down?
38:37
Speaker 7: Well, Chris, as we stand here today, it looks like
38:39
Speaker 7: Andy Burnham will be the only Labor MP to put
38:42
Speaker 7: his hand up to run for the top job. There
38:46
Speaker 7: is word that there could be another couple of MPs
38:49
Speaker 7: maybe throwing their hat in the ring, including Darren Jones,
38:52
Speaker 7: who is the Chief Secretary to the Prime Minister because
38:56
Speaker 7: they really want to understand what Andy Burnham's policies are. Chris,
39:00
Speaker 7: and we don't have a lot of detail, but just
39:02
Speaker 7: looking at the front pages, Chris, as.
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Speaker 5: I always like to show you today, on the front
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Speaker 5: of the.
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Speaker 7: London Sun, it says that Burnham he thinks it's all
39:11
Speaker 7: over and it describes him as smug looking. And then
39:14
Speaker 7: on the front of the Daily Mail it's Messiah without
39:17
Speaker 7: a mandate. And Chris, this is the concern that he
39:21
Speaker 7: is being able to get the key to ten Downing
39:24
Speaker 7: Street without telling the British public really what he stands for.
39:28
Speaker 7: Is set to give a speech next week and all
39:30
Speaker 7: eyes will be on him because at the moment it
39:32
Speaker 7: looks like he's going to walk right into that top job.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Look it's been drawn out, but it all looks a
39:38
Speaker 1: bit too smooth, doesn't it. Politics doesn't often work that way,
39:42
Speaker 1: and if, of course there is a contest, it gets complicated,
39:46
Speaker 1: doesn't it. Because under the British system, is it just
39:48
Speaker 1: the parliamentarians who vote, or would have to go out
39:51
Speaker 1: to the party membership as.
39:52
Speaker 7: Well, so they have to get eighty one MPs to
39:58
Speaker 7: support the person who puts some selves board. They also
40:01
Speaker 7: have to have the backing of several unions and some
40:05
Speaker 7: of the Labor affiliate affiliated parties, so it's not as
40:09
Speaker 7: simple as it sounds. But it looks like all the
40:12
Speaker 7: ducks are in a row for Andy Burnham. But look
40:15
Speaker 7: Chris yesterday he was walking around Westminster like he is
40:18
Speaker 7: Prime Minister. He was taking selfies, he was signing autographs
40:23
Speaker 7: and the BBC even had a chopper following him from
40:26
Speaker 7: getting on the train at Manchester where he resides, down
40:30
Speaker 7: to London to Houston station. There was a chopper monitoring him.
40:34
Speaker 7: He was met with huge amount of media. He wanted
40:37
Speaker 7: to get the tube to Westminster but was advised against that.
40:41
Speaker 7: There is absolutely a media circus around him, as you
40:44
Speaker 7: can imagine because Chris, this is the seventh Prime Minister
40:48
Speaker 7: for Britain in just ten years.
40:50
Speaker 1: Just extraordinary. Now, of course, Keirstama's old ally, Donald Trump
40:54
Speaker 1: has bid him farewell he's the president.
40:58
Speaker 14: Because I think he's a lovely man. But I said,
41:00
Speaker 14: you're really messing up energy. You have windmills all over
41:03
Speaker 14: the place. In the meantime you have the North Sea
41:05
Speaker 14: oil and they won't let anybody drill.
41:08
Speaker 5: And I told him.
41:09
Speaker 14: He's a very nice man. I'm sort of a friend
41:11
Speaker 14: of mine. He was not good to us with NATO.
41:14
Speaker 14: He said we can't use the island to land. That
41:17
Speaker 14: was the first.
41:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, a lot of problems. They're very similar to
41:22
Speaker 1: Anthony Alberize's problems, shocking on immigration and shocking on energy.
41:27
Speaker 1: But that's the real worry for the British public is
41:29
Speaker 1: and you change prime ministers, but the government won't change
41:32
Speaker 1: on those key policies. You wouldn't think, And.
41:36
Speaker 5: That's exactly right, Chris.
41:37
Speaker 7: The point here that many of the critics of the
41:40
Speaker 7: Labor Party are saying is that Andy Burner will actually
41:44
Speaker 7: be more left wing than Secre Starmer and nothing will
41:48
Speaker 7: really change under Andy Burnhon. But this is a chance
41:52
Speaker 7: for the Labor Party to reset. They've had two terrible years.
41:56
Speaker 7: Reform are winning in the polls and they hope this
41:59
Speaker 7: will reduce even ate the party and give them a
42:01
Speaker 7: red hot shot when there is a next general election,
42:04
Speaker 7: which must be held here in Britain by twenty twenty nine.
42:08
Speaker 1: Great stuff, Sophie, thanks for joining us. What a beautiful
42:10
Speaker 1: morning it looks like down there at Westminster in London.
42:14
Speaker 1: Last time I was there, it was freezing. Now we
42:17
Speaker 1: got to get to a break. On the other side,
42:18
Speaker 1: we're going to catch up with Lisa Goddard and Stephen
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Speaker 1: Sena Tiempo for our Tuesday paddle. One of the things
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Speaker 1: we'll look at is the scrapping of illegal e bikes.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into our Tuesday panel now. And joining us
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Speaker 1: today on the desk is Lisa Godard from Adoni Media.
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Speaker 1: Good to see again, Lisa, and in Canberra Radio two
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Speaker 1: Double C Breakfast host Stephen Sena Tiempo. Let's start with you, Stephen,
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Speaker 1: given it all happened in Canberra today, Labor doing a
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Speaker 1: deal with the Greens, that's what we expect is but
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Speaker 1: it's always ugly to watch it.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I thought it was a bit. There was
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Speaker 6: a level of arrogance. He had to hold a press
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Speaker 6: conference just to say, hey, we've done a deal with
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Speaker 6: the Greens to get through this terrible tax policy that
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Speaker 6: we've put through in the budget. We know you all
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Speaker 6: hate the budget and that's why we're still talking about
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Speaker 6: it more than a month down the track. But what
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Speaker 6: a good job we've done.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Hey, Jidary, we've done a deal, Lisa, to break
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Speaker 1: our election promises. And give you a new tax grab.
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Speaker 1: It's hardly heroic, but I noticed they did separate press conferences,
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Speaker 1: not like Julia Gillard back in the day to announcing it.
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Speaker 1: With the Greens, we've learned.
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Speaker 6: Something at least.
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Speaker 19: I look at this and maybe being a bit cynical,
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Speaker 19: but you've got Labor on one side say yeah, we're
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Speaker 19: going to hike up taxes, which the Greens are never
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Speaker 19: going to oppose, but they've brought the NDOS in because
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Speaker 19: basic math, right, you need to get more taxes out
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Speaker 19: of our pockets if you're going to keep bumping up
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Speaker 19: this NDOS which the Greens clearly want to drag out
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Speaker 19: reform on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well this has got nothing to do with the
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Speaker 1: tax grab, right, and it's just the Greens bringing in
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Speaker 1: another issue Labor promising to try and get the indis
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Speaker 1: under control. But you know, I believe it when I
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Speaker 1: see it. But the Greens are even slowing that down.
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Speaker 1: It's going to cost us more money and drag it
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Speaker 1: out and.
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Speaker 19: Now turn the inquiry into football for them.
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Speaker 1: It will be Stephen. This inquiry will make it even
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Speaker 1: uglier an attack Labor over it. In the end, again,
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Speaker 1: taxpayers are going to lose out.
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Speaker 6: Yeah. The stupidity of this is is that we have
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Speaker 6: these inquiries after we pass the legislation, which makes no
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Speaker 6: sense whatsoever. But it's just absolutely extraordinary that we have
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Speaker 6: these omnibus bills. I think we need to ban omnibus bills.
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Speaker 6: If there's more than one piece of legislation that is
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Speaker 6: totally unrelated to each other, they shouldn't be allowed to
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Speaker 6: be passed through the parliament in one go. I rail
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Speaker 6: against it every time. And I know politicians think that
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Speaker 6: there's some level of expediency there, but we'd rather actual
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Speaker 6: good policy rather than expediency.
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Speaker 1: I would have thought we sure, perhaps we should just
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Speaker 1: ban the word omnibus. So I think it's served its purpose.
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Speaker 1: I just want to go on to this other issue
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Speaker 1: related to anti Semitism and all these horrible issues we're
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Speaker 1: dealing with this in this country, and it goes to
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Speaker 1: education and this report that the Teachers' Union is looking
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Speaker 1: for guidance when it comes to Holocaust lessons. They're saying
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Speaker 1: it's difficult, too difficult to teach kids about the Holocaust
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Speaker 1: because they have kids who opposing Israel and rejecting these
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Speaker 1: lessons in the classroom. Beli, this is the whole point.
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Speaker 1: You've got to teach them the facts.
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Speaker 19: It's not an opt in or an opt out and
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Speaker 19: want you want to teach out of the Nashville curriculum.
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Speaker 19: So these teachers should not be allowed to say, well, look,
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Speaker 19: you know, I feel uncomfortable doing this and I don't
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Speaker 19: want my Muslim students learning anything about the Holocaust because,
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Speaker 19: my goodness, it may offend them.
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Speaker 1: It's another way that the anti Israel hatred and ignorance
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Speaker 1: of the street protesters is finding its way into actually
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Speaker 1: polluting the minds of our kids in the classroom. Before
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Speaker 1: I come to you, Stephen, I just want to show
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Speaker 1: everyone Johanna's Leak's cartoon from The Australian this morning on
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Speaker 1: this very issue, brilliant as usual. There he's got the
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Speaker 1: teacher at the top of the class explaining why they
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Speaker 1: can't do and Frank the Diary of Anne Frank. Of
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Speaker 1: course the teacher's head has been lopped off for a
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Speaker 1: grim but telling cartoon. Steve, and this is just shocking.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it absolutely. I railed against this this on my
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Speaker 6: program this morning, and I made the point that the
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Speaker 6: only people who should be offended by classes on the
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Speaker 6: Holocaust are Jewish kids whose grandparents or great grandparents might
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Speaker 6: have been caught up in it. We should all be
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Speaker 6: offended by the Holocaust. That's the whole point of why
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Speaker 6: we need to teach this and why we can't ever forget.
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Speaker 6: And if there's anyone that feels uncomfortable being taught about history,
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Speaker 6: well they need to be told the sit down and
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Speaker 6: shut up and listen to the teacher, because history needs
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Speaker 6: to be taught as it always has and that is
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Speaker 6: the facts, actuality. This is what happened from reliable sources.
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Speaker 6: These were the precursors to why the Nazis murdered six
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Speaker 6: million Jews, and this is why we can't let it
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Speaker 6: happen again. If we can't teach that, if teachers don't
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Speaker 6: have the courage to teach that, then they're probably in
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Speaker 6: the wrong profession.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, spot on, well said. Now let me go to
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Speaker 1: some vision from northern New South Wales. Now what police
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Speaker 1: have done to illegal ebokes at least that this is extraordinary.
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Speaker 1: And if they're illegal, find people or take them off
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Speaker 1: the streets. But can't you tune them down or something
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Speaker 1: and give them to someone who needs them or sell them?
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Speaker 1: Why do you have to smash them up.
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Speaker 19: I remember the days when they take the Hoons cars
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Speaker 19: right and then mash them up and that was their
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Speaker 19: big show.
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Speaker 1: Same deal. What they're doing that to crush the spirits
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Speaker 1: of the Hoons, why not dehoon the cars, make use
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Speaker 1: of them, or maybe.
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Speaker 19: Put some age limits around the kids that can actually
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Speaker 19: ride these things. That would be a good start. Queensland
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Speaker 19: is doing that, but New South Wales not.
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Speaker 1: Let's just yeah, Queensland's looking at the stronger laws on this.
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Speaker 1: It is a real problem, Stephen. These bikes are racing
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Speaker 1: around on the streets and on the footpaths at ridiculous
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Speaker 1: speeds and of course kids with no licenses, no registration.
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Speaker 6: Well we had three clowns rampaging through a shopping center
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Speaker 6: here over the weekend, doing burnouts on the tiles and
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Speaker 6: aiming at old people and people with prams. I think
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Speaker 6: they should ban them all together. I applaud them YUS
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Speaker 6: Wales's government for doing this, but I would say that
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Speaker 6: illegal e bike is an oxymoron. Smash the lot of
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Speaker 6: them now.
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Speaker 1: I got to let you have a bit of a
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Speaker 1: say on the World Cup, Steve, and I know you're
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Speaker 1: big on soccer or as you prefer to call them football.
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Speaker 1: But tell me about this Australian coach. You've got two
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Speaker 1: guys who score absolutely world class goals in the first game,
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Speaker 1: and he starts him on the bench. How can you
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Speaker 1: come up with some sort of nonsense to justify.
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Speaker 6: That, Chris, As I tried to say to you on
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Speaker 6: social media, lights, it's a little bit more nuanced than
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Speaker 6: that kick Chasy game that you follow. But I understand.
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Speaker 6: I understand what his strategy was. I don't agree with it,
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Speaker 6: but what he was thinking was bring those players on
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Speaker 6: in the second half, try and defend in the first half,
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Speaker 6: and then bring him on the second half with a
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Speaker 6: bit of impact.
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Speaker 1: You have your best weapons on the field, don't you.
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Speaker 5: Well you should look.
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Speaker 19: All I know about the soccer Rus is that Albanize
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Speaker 19: has told me today it's on at twelve o'clock tomorrow,
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Speaker 19: and no doubt he'll be watching Friday.
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Speaker 1: I think Friday I've got and now they's going to
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Speaker 1: watch it. Yeah, thanks for joining us, guys. I appreciate
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Speaker 1: at least I've got a set of I'm just going
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Speaker 1: to finish up with some of your views of what
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Speaker 1: I had to say last night about labour's hypocrisy over
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Speaker 1: political daynations. One viewer says, come on, our labor gets
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Speaker 1: millions from unions and several businesses. You're getting desperate, mate,
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Speaker 1: And another viewer says, every time Albo opens his mouth,
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Speaker 1: he sounds jealous and childish. She is trying desperately to
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Speaker 1: discredit Pauline Hansen. And another of you says, it's interesting
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Speaker 1: that Albo has issues with a private citizen making political
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Speaker 1: donations but has no problem living off and spending our
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Speaker 1: money recklessly. And finally, Chris says, Albo is worried because
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Speaker 1: the battlers are all for one nation now, not all
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Speaker 1: of them, but a hell of a lot of them are,
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Speaker 1: and he's worried, and so are a lot of people
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Speaker 1: in the political establishment. Thanks for joining me. I'm going
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Speaker 1: to be off for a couple of days, but Peter
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Speaker 1: Kredlin's up next. Cheers,