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Credlin | 1 June · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredlin. One nation's rise continues. A new poll
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Speaker 2: shows they're now ahead of labor. So is it just
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Speaker 2: the budget or more at play here? The man behind
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Speaker 2: today's landmark pole will join me in a moment speaking
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Speaker 2: of the budgets. It's not even legislated, but already the
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Speaker 2: negative impacts are being felt. Clearance rates at auctions on
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Speaker 2: the weekend sinking to a six year low, meeting your
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Speaker 2: house value has been hit. Plus the Albanezer governments quietly
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Speaker 2: confirmed the first boats these are submarines to be delivered
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Speaker 2: under Orcust will now be second class Virginia submarines from
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Speaker 2: the United States. So have we been sold at defense
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Speaker 2: downgrade and in a desperate need of revival. Tony Abbot's
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Speaker 2: been elected unopposed as the new Liberal Party federal president.
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Speaker 2: He'll join me later for his pitch to the public.
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Speaker 3: To persuade people what I absolutely believe in the marrow
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Speaker 3: of my being, that we remain the best hope of
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Speaker 3: better government in this country, the better government that we
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Speaker 3: so desperately need. Right now.
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Speaker 2: Tony ever coming up. He loves a fight, he loves
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Speaker 2: a campaign. It's a fight to come back though, is men.
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Speaker 2: We'll see what he has to say in a moment.
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Speaker 2: But first today in court in Melbourne was this woman,
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Speaker 2: Rayan L. Hooley, a thirty four year old mother of four,
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Speaker 2: charged last week by the Australian Federal Police with serious
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Speaker 2: terrorism offenses. Now in the magistrate's court before Chief Magistrate
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Speaker 2: Lisa Hannon al Hooy sought bail. Now, this woman is
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Speaker 2: yet another so called Isis bride, But she did not
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Speaker 2: return with any of the two recent cohorts. Instead, she
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Speaker 2: returned under our own steam last year las September from
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Speaker 2: Lebanon and since quietly slipping into Australia.
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Speaker 4: She's been living in.
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Speaker 2: The Melbourne suburb of broad Meadows, where she was arrested
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Speaker 2: at home by the AFP. Now you've heard you before
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Speaker 2: on the whole term Isis brides, and my view, based
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Speaker 2: on many years of working inside government and national security portfolios,
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Speaker 2: this idea that all of these women were blameless and naive, well,
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Speaker 2: that's nonsense in the case of this individual. The police
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Speaker 2: summary read out in court today by the Chief Magistrate
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Speaker 2: well it could not have been clearer. Indeed, the Magistrate
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Speaker 2: Hannon quoted from the Federal Police report and said that
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Speaker 2: the case against this woman was extremely concerning. According to authorities,
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Speaker 2: Alholey and I quote traveled to Syria for the purpose
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Speaker 2: of joining ISIS, and while there held radicalized views. She
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Speaker 2: supported terrorist acts, acts of martyrdom, and repeatedly expressed views
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Speaker 2: supporting the killing and serious inn injury of non believers.
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Speaker 2: As the Herald Son reported this afternoon, it's alleged to
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Speaker 2: el Hooley actively sought to quote indoctrinate her children with
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Speaker 2: radical views and to recruit people living in Australia to
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Speaker 2: join ISIS in Syria. Now, this is precisely what I've
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Speaker 2: said here on this program many times over. So please
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Speaker 2: let's give up this idea that these women were there
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Speaker 2: under false pretenses or buy a mistake. The very fact
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Speaker 2: that they got on a plane traveled into a war zone,
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Speaker 2: despite at the time plenty of media and government advice
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Speaker 2: not to do that, that if you went there, you
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Speaker 2: would be breaking the law.
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Speaker 4: They went anyway.
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Speaker 2: You have also heard me here say before that many
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Speaker 2: of these women they went there with the express purpose
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Speaker 2: of breeding the cubs of the Caliphate, the children that
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Speaker 2: they hoped would be the terrorists of the future.
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Speaker 4: Well, this much is true.
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Speaker 2: But what is most disturbing about Ryan Alhooley today is
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Speaker 2: the AFP's claim in court that while overseas, she was
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Speaker 2: married to several Islamic State fighters and that she supported
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Speaker 2: the killing of non believers. This claim was heard in
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Speaker 2: an Australian court let that sink in claims made by
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Speaker 2: the AFP that she supported the killing of someone for
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Speaker 2: no other reason than the fact that they were not
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Speaker 2: a Muslim.
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Speaker 4: Her lawyer, Peter.
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Speaker 2: Morrissey said today that that's no longer her view that
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Speaker 2: she was and I quote that she quotes sorry renounces
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Speaker 2: Islamic State and violent g had that she wants nothing
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Speaker 2: to do with it directly, he said, or indirectly now
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Speaker 2: or in the future, especially not for her children. Well
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Speaker 2: that's her lawyer. Not so, says the Australian Federal Police.
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Speaker 2: There's summary to the magistrates. Very different. Police say that
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Speaker 2: quote she only left Raka when the Caliphate was defeated
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Speaker 2: and not as a result of a change in views.
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Speaker 2: Was still the court heard that she was captured on
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Speaker 2: tapes expressing extremely concerning ideological views, and that she has
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Speaker 2: not engaged in anti radicalization programs since her return to Australia.
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Speaker 2: I'll say again, she returned to Australia from Lebanon last September. Well,
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Speaker 2: you know my views on these deradicalization programs. I remained
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Speaker 2: very skeptical that they work at all. But be that
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Speaker 2: as it may, they are still the best evidence we
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Speaker 2: have that someone wants to change their views. So the
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Speaker 2: fact that she's not been in any of these programs,
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Speaker 2: well that should be noted. Her lawyer those said to
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Speaker 2: the Cord that this does not reflect recalcitrance. Indeed, said
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Speaker 2: Murphy that prior to her arrest last week, she was
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Speaker 2: leading a busy life as a highly traumatized woman, managing
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Speaker 2: several children and a new diagnosis of multiple sclerosis. Now
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Speaker 2: I'm asking, is the diagnosis of MS the reason she
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Speaker 2: returned to Australia in the first place. I'd like to
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Speaker 2: know that, according to her lawyer, Olholy is quote a
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Speaker 2: highly traumatized individual and the holding together life is a
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Speaker 2: great challenge. We'll tell that to the Yazdi women brutalized
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Speaker 2: and raped by the men of his landing state. Many
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Speaker 2: of these women as Yazdi women where they are rebuilding
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Speaker 2: their lives now here in Australia and they've been re
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Speaker 2: traumatized by the turn of these isis linked women to Australia.
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Speaker 2: That's where my sympathy lies. Not the woman in the
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Speaker 2: court today that the AFP Aledge was a supporter of
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Speaker 2: violent g had. It's with the Yazdi women that were raped,
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Speaker 2: brutalized and saw their family members murdered tonight. Our hooly
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Speaker 2: remain behind bars after her bail hearing today was adjourned
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Speaker 2: to a later date, notes The Herald's Sun. This is
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Speaker 2: so that her legal team could seek expert evidence about
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Speaker 2: her level of risk. Says the paper, she will need
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Speaker 2: to approve show exceptional circumstances to be released from prison. Seriously,
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Speaker 2: everything you heard today in the police summary in court
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Speaker 2: regarding this Islamic state woman marries up with everything I've
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Speaker 2: been saying here on this program for many, many months.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Camber now for the headlines.
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Speaker 2: Sky News political reporter cam Reddin good evening.
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Speaker 5: One Nation is now the most popular political party in
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Speaker 5: the country, according to the latest Redbridge poll. Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 5: is on a roll The latest Redbridge survey has One
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Speaker 5: Nation as the most popular party in the country, ahead
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Speaker 5: of both Labor and the Coalition.
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Speaker 6: They're an indicator, they're not a vote. What you're seeing
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Speaker 6: at the moment is a strange lashing out.
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Speaker 5: Some Liberals are contemplating whether aligning with Team Pauline is
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Speaker 5: their only hope.
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Speaker 7: My view has always been that all the parties in
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Speaker 7: the center right need to work together if we are
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Speaker 7: going to be able to defeat the Labor Party.
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Speaker 5: It's a public holiday in Canberra, SOO. Parliament will return tomorrow,
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Speaker 5: as will debate around the government's tax reform bill.
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Speaker 8: Some of those clearance rates were coming down already and
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Speaker 8: the budget is not the only factor. But if we
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Speaker 8: are making it easier for first home buyers to get
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Speaker 8: a fair crack at auctions, then that's a good thing.
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Speaker 5: Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: I'll come back to the Treasurer's cove and there you know,
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Speaker 2: clearance rates coming down, homes not selling on the weekend,
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Speaker 2: the biggest fall in six years. Not my fault, he says,
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Speaker 2: not my fault, but to get across the polls and
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Speaker 2: other things joining me in our Sky's Political contributor Chris Yelman.
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Speaker 2: I'll speak to costumers the polster who did this red
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Speaker 2: Bridge pole in a moment. But it shows, of course,
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Speaker 2: and it's been in the headlines all day. One Nation's
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Speaker 2: primary vote now, Chris is ahead of Labor, well ahead
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Speaker 2: of the Coalition. Sour Really it looks like on the
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Speaker 2: face of it, One Nation is the official opposition in
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Speaker 2: this country, doesn't it.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's certainly getting that kind of attention, to Peter,
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Speaker 9: which is why it's such a problem for the Coalition,
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Speaker 9: not just as it have to come back from behind
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Speaker 9: One Nation. As one Nation essentially tears its heart out,
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Speaker 9: it's having a very difficult time now being heard above
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Speaker 9: the noise of One Nation, which has all the momentum
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Speaker 9: and all the interest in Australian politics at the moment.
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Speaker 9: It's eventually essentially a vote against politics as usual. And
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Speaker 9: so I disagree with all those people who keep talking
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Speaker 9: about they have to bring out policy positions that they
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Speaker 9: have to make us stand on how that would work
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Speaker 9: in government. No, they just have to basically say we
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Speaker 9: want to end business as usual in Canberra on both
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Speaker 9: sides of the divide, and that is something we've seen
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Speaker 9: around the world reform and Donald Trump is essentially that
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Speaker 9: kind to vote as well. So if they can harness that,
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Speaker 9: they need to maintain that now until the next federal election,
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Speaker 9: and that is a long way away, and doing that
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Speaker 9: without stumbling, well, therein lies the problem of all political parties.
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Speaker 4: How much of this.
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Speaker 2: Do you think is the media, particularly say what I
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Speaker 2: call the legacy media, you know, commercial TV, some of
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Speaker 2: the print media. They know that Pauline sells. They know
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Speaker 2: that the contest, the conflict sells. How much are they
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Speaker 2: barracking her into a position of being competitive because they
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Speaker 2: want to sell that yarn? They prefer that yarn that
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Speaker 2: a detailed analysis of the budget where they've got to
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Speaker 2: do some work and actually got to read the detail.
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Speaker 9: Look, it's certainly a really interesting story. It's very hard
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Speaker 9: to ignore it. We don't just have polls though, now, Peter,
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Speaker 9: we also have field evidence from South Australia and Farah,
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Speaker 9: so it's more than just the polling going in her direction. Yeah,
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Speaker 9: there are people barracking for their enormous number barracking against her,
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Speaker 9: But the problem that they all have is that whether
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Speaker 9: they're for her or against her, they're giving her oxygen
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Speaker 9: and the people who are attracted to her will not
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Speaker 9: be put off by media criticism.
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Speaker 6: Quite the opposite.
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Speaker 9: By the way, if the usual voices criticize Paul in
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Speaker 9: the hands and they will see all her supporters will
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Speaker 9: see that as an endorsement for their candidate, because they
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Speaker 9: don't trust the mainstream media either.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not wrong there.
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Speaker 2: So she started out talking about when the numbers moved.
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Speaker 2: Let's not forget at May's federal election last year one
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Speaker 2: nation got about six percent of the vote, So it's
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Speaker 2: huge news to hit.
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Speaker 4: The thirties as they have today.
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Speaker 2: But back then and beyond they were talking about, you know,
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Speaker 2: being an effective balance of power. Then there was discussion
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Speaker 2: that they could well be the official opposition, the next
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Speaker 2: big party there. Now today when they bypass the government,
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Speaker 2: the talk is well, can she BPM? Can they actually
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Speaker 2: win power in their own ride or perhaps with the coalition.
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Speaker 2: Our colleague Andrew Clanell asked Paul Enhancement about that in
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Speaker 2: his program yesterday.
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Speaker 10: Have a listen, Do I want to be Prime Minister? Well,
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Speaker 10: I'll tell you what, I won't knock the job, Andrew,
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Speaker 10: because I believe that I have the ability to do it.
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Speaker 10: I'm not going to underestimate myself or say no, I
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Speaker 10: can't do it.
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Speaker 6: Do you have confidence you would have a team or
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Speaker 6: could pull together a team that could form a confident cabinet?
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Speaker 4: You bet, I do.
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Speaker 10: I certainly do.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, her tails up, isn't it, Chris?
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Speaker 2: I mean she would have batted away a question like
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Speaker 2: that six months ago, but now she's openly courting it.
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Speaker 9: And of course there are risks in hubris, but I
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Speaker 9: think that the easy answer to that question.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not saying there's hubris there, but there's a
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Speaker 2: there's a confidence, isn't there.
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Speaker 10: Oh?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, certainly that I think. But I think one of
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Speaker 9: the risks is that potentially you start to believe it
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Speaker 9: and then that there could be a problem. But also
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Speaker 9: he has to say is do you think I'd do
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Speaker 9: the better job than the incumbent or the other you know.
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Speaker 9: One of the things that stood out to me when
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Speaker 9: I was at the Australian Energy Producers conference after she
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Speaker 9: gave her speech, and we had a panel of absolute experts,
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Speaker 9: industry insiders, people who are running gas projects, and when
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Speaker 9: asked about Paul Andhanson's policy, one from Victoria said, well,
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Speaker 9: I'm from Victoria.
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Speaker 4: It's not the worst.
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Speaker 9: Energy policy I've ever seen, so I think that you
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Speaker 9: can capitalize on that feeling. Really, do we want the
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Speaker 9: same horses to go around again or are we looking
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Speaker 9: for a completely different kind of race? That's what they're selling.
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, let's stay with energy, because the chairman
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Speaker 2: of Chevron today, Michael Wirth, says Australia is becoming a
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Speaker 2: bit of a joke around the world in party says
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Speaker 2: investment and other things, but also that our fuel shortages
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Speaker 2: exist not because fuels short per se, but because of
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Speaker 2: poor policy decisions we've made, and we've been scaring off
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Speaker 2: investors for some time. We had the boss of Axi
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Speaker 2: owner out there saying that all these cost blowouts and
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Speaker 2: delays with snowy two point zero is tarnishing our reputation
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Speaker 2: as a construction industry. You know, a country that can
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Speaker 2: build things and get stuff done.
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Speaker 9: Well, we've long since past I think being a country
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Speaker 9: that can build things and get stuff done. I reckon
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Speaker 9: if we have more than two big projects going in
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Speaker 9: Australia at any one time, that we have almost no
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Speaker 9: capacity to be able to build a third one. And
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Speaker 9: don't forget the Olympics is on its way soon. We're
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Speaker 9: already having huge problems in basically paying for the projects
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Speaker 9: that we've got. We've seen the blowout all over the place.
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Speaker 9: Snowy hydro is one of those things which is a
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Speaker 9: monument to the incompetence of this energy transition and the
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Speaker 9: costs that will get embedded in the system, either past
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Speaker 9: the consumers or to taxpayers and years. I agree with
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Speaker 9: the head of Chevron it was a terrible policy made
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Speaker 9: by generations of politicians going back to the year two thousand,
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Speaker 9: as we start to get to a point where we
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Speaker 9: didn't have the liquid fuel security that we needed. And
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Speaker 9: you know, again, I keep coming back to the same
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Speaker 9: little mantra. Energy is the economy. Energy is national security.
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Speaker 9: If we do not secure our electrical system and make
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Speaker 9: sure we have cheap electricity and do not secure our
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Speaker 9: liquid fuels, then we don't have any security at all
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Speaker 9: in this country and we will beggar ourselves on a
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Speaker 9: pathway to a transition which will be meaningless because we
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Speaker 9: are such a trivial amount of carbon emissions in the world.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to these comments yesterday from the Housing Minister
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Speaker 2: clar O'Neil on the AABC trying to sell the budget,
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Speaker 2: but she bailed the cat. I'm not sure she realized
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Speaker 2: she didn't have a listen.
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Speaker 11: We need to keep reminding people we're still having a
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Speaker 11: capital gains tax discount. Small businesses concessions will all remain,
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Speaker 11: and we're in that consultation. It's important that this gets
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Speaker 11: resolved speedily, speedily.
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Speaker 2: All right, So the legislations ran through the House is
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Speaker 2: off now on its way to the Senate.
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Speaker 4: They've got this consultation.
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Speaker 2: But if she once it all done speedily, well that's
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Speaker 2: a sham, an absolute sham. You've got someone like a
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Speaker 2: legal spender one of the tilS saying we've got to
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Speaker 2: pause here, we've got.
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Speaker 4: To slow this down. But the government wants it to
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Speaker 4: happen as quick as look at you.
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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, well, this is the case of we've made
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Speaker 9: up our mind. What do you reckon? You might get
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Speaker 9: a phone call, but you're not going to change. Essentially,
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Speaker 9: the policy that's been put forward and the way that
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Speaker 9: the government is proceeding at the moment is to try
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Speaker 9: and convince people that all of those people are complaining
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Speaker 9: about capital gains taxes are essentially the big end of
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Speaker 9: town who have been ripping off the taxpayers forever. Another
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Speaker 9: thing I found most disturbing was the comments of the
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Speaker 9: Treasury Secretary recently where she said that money has to
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Speaker 9: come from somewhere. Well, there's another way to go about something.
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Speaker 9: This means this is institutional by the way, this is
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Speaker 9: bone deep. Now, this is not just government, this is
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Speaker 9: the institutions that run this town. Have decided they need
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Speaker 9: more money. Why because they're spending way too much. It
16:55
Speaker 9: should occur to the Treasury Secretary that maybe they should
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Speaker 9: try and cut their spending and live within their means
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Speaker 9: and not continually try to melk taxpayers for projects like
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Speaker 9: Snowy Hydro too, which are ridiculous. I don't think the
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Speaker 9: Australian federal government should get another dollar from the Australian
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Speaker 9: taxpayer until they get their house in order.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, Chris, true words have not been
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Speaker 2: spoken for some time.
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Speaker 4: Thank you. Let's go to the pole, the Red Bridge Pole. Overnight.
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Speaker 2: Of course you saw those numbers. One nation's primaries jumped
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Speaker 2: up for putting it ahead of Labour by three. The
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Speaker 2: Liberals have had a bit of a slump. They've gone
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Speaker 2: down too. They're at twenty, still a lot better than
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee who let them down at fifteen though, and
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Speaker 2: for the Albineasi is ahead of Paul and Hanson has
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Speaker 2: preferred PM, but tellingly both the Peoma Gin Chalmers have
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Speaker 2: copped a bruising on net favorability.
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Speaker 4: Hanson's the only.
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Speaker 2: Politician there in the mix that's in positive territory, jentlemen,
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Speaker 2: Now the polster behind those numbers, Red Bridge director Cos Samaris. Well,
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Speaker 2: we'll get into some of the granular detail cause but
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Speaker 2: for some time everyone thought it was a blip. You know,
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Speaker 2: it was an anomaly. It would come off. I said
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Speaker 2: before to Chris, you know she'd be a strong balance
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Speaker 2: of power type win on these numbers, or she might
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Speaker 2: get to be competitive in opposition. Well, on your latest poll,
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Speaker 2: they could win government. Right, So it's really changed rapidly
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Speaker 2: in a matter of months, Macro, What is driving this?
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Speaker 12: Yeah? I think you and I have been around in
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Speaker 12: politics for a long time, right, And how many times
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Speaker 12: have we heard Australian say over twenty years both major
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Speaker 12: parts of the same my vote is wasted. I'm just
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Speaker 12: going to vote like I normally do. Lots of disquiet
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Speaker 12: and there wasn't really an option for them, and it
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Speaker 12: didn't take much for that that for that awakening to occur,
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Speaker 12: particularly on the right side of politics, but it's allccurring
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Speaker 12: on the labor side too. And now, of course people
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Speaker 12: have got permission structure in place and they think that
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Speaker 12: there is a vehicle for them to destabilize the system.
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Speaker 12: And this is not a protest. I think it's actually
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Speaker 12: a genuine restructure.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So what's changed because at the May election they
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Speaker 2: got six percent of the vote. Yes, what's changed that
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Speaker 2: they're now so viable that you know your point about
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Speaker 2: the permission structures there, but people are jumping on this
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Speaker 2: bandwagon and they're not getting off.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I mean these things. You know, Academis could write
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Speaker 12: books about how political parties go from being relatively stable
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Speaker 12: to then collapse in within months, and we've seen that
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Speaker 12: across the world. We see that in the uk rit
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Speaker 12: large particularly with the Conservatives, but now we stay in
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Speaker 12: as government and we're seeing that play out here in
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Speaker 12: this country. And I was always wondering as to when
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Speaker 12: the labour side will start to lose skin and see
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Speaker 12: that primary dip into the twenties, and looks like that started.
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Speaker 12: And although on this occasion I would say they've lost
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Speaker 12: a little bit of one nation, but there was a
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Speaker 12: loss to their flanks, so to minor parties. So you know,
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Speaker 12: this is the new paradigm where we were living in
20:07
Speaker 12: and I think that there's still a few more chapters
20:10
Speaker 12: to be written on this book.
20:13
Speaker 4: All Right.
20:14
Speaker 2: You can't bounce into the thirties on any vote and
20:17
Speaker 2: hold it there as they have over a trend if
20:20
Speaker 2: it's just single issue. And yes it's immigration, we know
20:24
Speaker 2: that's frontline, but what else is driving this?
20:27
Speaker 12: Yeah, since it's been abandoned economically, there's no question about that.
20:31
Speaker 12: Right Across all our research, these out of suburban regional communities,
20:35
Speaker 12: largely working class people that work with their hands, stand
20:38
Speaker 12: on their feet, working, overwhelmingly older and who are basically
20:45
Speaker 12: we've got a tape qualification. They're the dominant traits and
20:49
Speaker 12: the economy is not working for them. They have lost
20:52
Speaker 12: significant portions of their disposable income over the last three years.
20:57
Speaker 12: And that's also very significant, I would say, cause of
21:01
Speaker 12: what is going on the under the surface so to speak.
21:06
Speaker 12: You know, compare their living standards to Australians living in
21:09
Speaker 12: the inner cities, you know of Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane,
21:13
Speaker 12: drastically different. So the inflatory crisis is really deck them.
21:18
Speaker 12: And this is the political response.
21:21
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, if you're the government, you're sitting there looking
21:23
Speaker 2: at those numbers, and if you aggregate the Greens and
21:25
Speaker 2: Labor and you put the others on the center right together,
21:28
Speaker 2: Labour's in trouble and so Labor are actually the government.
21:31
Speaker 2: They're the ones, the only ones at the table who
21:34
Speaker 2: could do something about this. But you know, the Labor
21:37
Speaker 2: Party that you and I know now is a party
21:39
Speaker 2: of inner city activists, more attention on trans issues than
21:43
Speaker 2: there is on genuine cost of living issues, genuine attempts
21:47
Speaker 2: to deal with inflation. So how does Labor read this poll?
21:53
Speaker 12: Yeah, they will need to work out how do they
21:55
Speaker 12: actually alleviate the stress that Australians, particularly in the outer
21:59
Speaker 12: suburbs and with their electorates, are experiencing. So the one
22:03
Speaker 12: thing we did know, and that's the MRP that we
22:05
Speaker 12: published last week as well, these numbers are seismic, but
22:10
Speaker 12: they're also very geographically confined. Some one Nation's strength is
22:13
Speaker 12: in regional Australia and Labour strength is in the big cities. Now,
22:18
Speaker 12: Labour's still winning losing seats to One Nation seats like
22:22
Speaker 12: Hunter and so on our predictions, and it could lose
22:26
Speaker 12: up to twenty seats and fall into minority government pretty quickly.
22:31
Speaker 12: So that's their battle right now, and that is to
22:33
Speaker 12: limit their losses, particularly in the peri urban areas of Melbourne,
22:36
Speaker 12: Sydney and Brisbane, to a certain extent where they are
22:39
Speaker 12: losing skin to One Nation, not to the coalition.
22:44
Speaker 2: Okay, then just on that pole, that much deeper dive
22:48
Speaker 2: it did last week and I listened to your comments
22:50
Speaker 2: about that previously. How is then One Nation not just
22:56
Speaker 2: replacing the National Party if it's not going to make
22:59
Speaker 2: in roads into urban centers and I hear your point
23:03
Speaker 2: about Perry Urban and some of the regionals, but if
23:05
Speaker 2: it's not really going to get into the suburbs in
23:07
Speaker 2: a major way, if it's just going to pick up
23:09
Speaker 2: these regional peri urbans, that's where the NATS are now.
23:13
Speaker 2: So isn't this just trading out the National Party and
23:17
Speaker 2: not a genuine third entrant to the game?
23:21
Speaker 4: Give me your answer on that one.
23:23
Speaker 12: Yeah, they are replacing them. On our predictions. The National
23:27
Speaker 12: Party only secure seats on the high end of the model.
23:30
Speaker 12: The meeting result they end up with zero seats and
23:34
Speaker 12: the lowest result zero seats. So yes, one nation replaces
23:38
Speaker 12: them as the regional party in this country. And that's
23:41
Speaker 12: the fundamental shift as well.
23:44
Speaker 2: And you're not seeing it, causey yet any evidence that
23:46
Speaker 2: one nation could genuinely win in its own right. You know,
23:50
Speaker 2: you saw that Pole, you saw that thirty percent. You
23:52
Speaker 2: heard her comments about being PM. Have you seen anything
23:55
Speaker 2: yet now that they are moving into those urban areas
23:58
Speaker 2: that they could be the government party?
24:02
Speaker 6: Not yet?
24:03
Speaker 12: But you know, as I said before this, this textbook
24:06
Speaker 12: is still being written. You know, all of us have
24:09
Speaker 12: been feign politics and studying politics and researching politics for many,
24:12
Speaker 12: many years. And there's a lot of what's going on
24:14
Speaker 12: in this country that even has me questioning some of
24:18
Speaker 12: my views about where the political landscape could end in
24:23
Speaker 12: two years time.
24:26
Speaker 4: Just quickly before we go.
24:27
Speaker 2: I know, both of these countries do not have compulsory
24:29
Speaker 2: voting like Australia. Neither of them have preferential I tend
24:34
Speaker 2: to look at the UK for more sort of parallels
24:38
Speaker 2: than the United States with Australian politics, Do you favor
24:42
Speaker 2: one over the other?
24:44
Speaker 12: Yeah, the UK, it's Westminster system, it's culturally much more
24:47
Speaker 12: similar to our country, and it's got similar trends. So
24:51
Speaker 12: there's a lot of what we see in the UK
24:55
Speaker 12: right now occurring here in this country former industrial precincts,
24:58
Speaker 12: particularly manufacturing and mining. Wherever these communities in the UK
25:04
Speaker 12: have experienced significant economic decline, they are voting for reform
25:08
Speaker 12: and line and behold. It's exactly what's happening in Australia
25:11
Speaker 12: right now as well. Now the US is different because
25:13
Speaker 12: we can talk for hours about that, but yeah, UK
25:16
Speaker 12: is absolutely a really good comparison.
25:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I'm looking very closely too.
25:21
Speaker 2: And I think the Muslim vote there, the issues about
25:24
Speaker 2: women I think are very relevant, the migration, the welfare
25:28
Speaker 2: for migrants, etc. All of those parallels are here. Thank
25:31
Speaker 2: you cos we'll watch with interest, or after the break
25:34
Speaker 2: the bloke who is now responsible to turn this around
25:37
Speaker 2: with Angus Taylor, the new federal president of the Liberal Party,
25:41
Speaker 2: Tony Abbott elected on the weekend, we'll talk to him.
25:44
Speaker 2: We'll also ask him about these Islamic state women too,
25:48
Speaker 2: and the budget coming.
25:49
Speaker 4: Out welcome back.
25:54
Speaker 2: It still to come fresh concerns now over more delays
25:57
Speaker 2: than submarines. Announcements on the weekend in relation to all
26:00
Speaker 2: aucas we're now getting secondhand or old submarines. Is that
26:04
Speaker 2: the full story? Petty Jennings coming up the first on
26:08
Speaker 2: the weekend. Tony Abbott was elected unopposed as a new
26:11
Speaker 2: Liberal Party federal president, and he's acutely aware of the
26:15
Speaker 2: dire state the party's in. But as you know, he's
26:17
Speaker 2: never want to shirk a bit of hard work, and
26:20
Speaker 2: certainly I'll.
26:20
Speaker 4: Never walk away from a fight.
26:22
Speaker 2: So I'm pleased to say the former Prime Minister now
26:24
Speaker 2: Liberal Party President, Tony Abbitt joins me. Now, I think,
26:28
Speaker 2: if I'm right, you're the first former PM that's taken
26:32
Speaker 2: on the job as party president I think in history,
26:35
Speaker 2: or certainly for many many years.
26:37
Speaker 7: Look, I haven't really investigated that, but I'm happy to
26:41
Speaker 7: do the job because I think it's all hands on
26:44
Speaker 7: deck to get rid of the worst government in living memory.
26:49
Speaker 7: And I think that being someone who did actually reject
26:54
Speaker 7: the climate cult, who did get borders and immigration under control,
26:58
Speaker 7: who has scrapped toxic taxes, having me more engaged is
27:05
Speaker 7: going to be very good at convincing skeptical voters that
27:10
Speaker 7: the coalition under Angus Taylor is fair ingham and is
27:14
Speaker 7: going to take the fight to a really bad government.
27:18
Speaker 2: I think the problem is, you know, you said all
27:21
Speaker 2: of those things and I did them, and you correct
27:23
Speaker 2: and you did them. But that's when the Liberal Party
27:27
Speaker 2: got a forty three percent primary because you met the market,
27:30
Speaker 2: you address the concerns.
27:31
Speaker 7: At Australian it was a forty six percent primary.
27:33
Speaker 2: There you go, good, correct me, but you cracked on
27:37
Speaker 2: and did it right after you though, the party went
27:40
Speaker 2: to Malcolm Turnbull and it went backwards at a rated
27:43
Speaker 2: knot so. So what we're seeing with this one nation
27:46
Speaker 2: pole spike today has sort of been ten years coming.
27:49
Speaker 7: Tony Well, I don't deny that at times we've been
27:53
Speaker 7: a disappointment to our strongest supporters. And what I think
27:58
Speaker 7: has happened first with the Taylor Canavan leadership team and
28:04
Speaker 7: just on the weekend with the change in the party
28:07
Speaker 7: organization leadership, I think we are now trying to re
28:12
Speaker 7: engage with our stronger supporters and to demonstrate by our
28:17
Speaker 7: words and by our actions that we are serious about
28:21
Speaker 7: being a clear alternative to a really bad government, the
28:26
Speaker 7: best alternative to a really bad government if you want
28:29
Speaker 7: to get things done, because previous coalition governments have got
28:33
Speaker 7: things done. Australia's great strengths today are largely the result
28:38
Speaker 7: of previous coalition governments. So I suppose I want to
28:42
Speaker 7: say to your listeners, Peter, if you want a stronger democracy,
28:47
Speaker 7: get more engaged, get more involved. For too long, good
28:51
Speaker 7: people have been too polite and too passive in the
28:55
Speaker 7: face of obvious folly. And then ask yourself this, do
29:01
Speaker 7: you want to use your vote as a protest or
29:04
Speaker 7: do you want to use your vote to give us
29:06
Speaker 7: a different and better government? And I'm confident that the
29:11
Speaker 7: decent people of this country will make the.
29:12
Speaker 4: Right decision for a long time.
29:15
Speaker 2: That point about get involved for a long time. I
29:17
Speaker 2: think people of a center right conservatives tend to be
29:21
Speaker 2: polite at the barbecue or the footy match, and if
29:24
Speaker 2: someone says something was just off the deep end or
29:28
Speaker 2: not patriotic or ante our country or whatever, we sort
29:31
Speaker 2: of just let it slide, thinking well, they'll be mugged
29:33
Speaker 2: by reality, they'll sort themselves out. I think we're now
29:37
Speaker 2: no longer doing that, and I try and encourage people
29:39
Speaker 2: I know you do.
29:41
Speaker 4: Is that what you want?
29:42
Speaker 2: Do you want more citizens to get well, as I'm
29:45
Speaker 2: saying in Britain, get out there and fly the flag
29:47
Speaker 2: and fight for their country.
29:49
Speaker 4: Absolutely right.
29:51
Speaker 7: If you don't like what's happening, make your voices heard.
29:55
Speaker 7: How do they do that, though, well, there are all
29:57
Speaker 7: sorts of ways, but in the end, going to peaceful
30:01
Speaker 7: protests is important, but it should happen at a range
30:05
Speaker 7: of different levels. Partly it's talking to your kids, to
30:09
Speaker 7: your grandkids, talking to your neighbors, to your workmates, to
30:13
Speaker 7: the people.
30:14
Speaker 4: To go to church with.
30:17
Speaker 7: We need to alert every Australian to the way our
30:22
Speaker 7: country is in decline, and the Bondai massacre was just
30:27
Speaker 7: the most recent and most dreadful milestone on that decline.
30:30
Speaker 7: But the only way to arrest that decline is if
30:33
Speaker 7: all of us take our duties as citizens, seriously, speak
30:39
Speaker 7: our minds, and do what we can informal and informal
30:44
Speaker 7: and institutional and other ways to make our country all
30:49
Speaker 7: that it should be and to stop it from slipping away,
30:52
Speaker 7: which is what's happening at the moment.
30:54
Speaker 4: A lot of the time.
30:55
Speaker 2: Though, you know, we don't get to say you know,
30:57
Speaker 2: we don't get to say that the Prime minister's behind
30:59
Speaker 2: three flags.
31:00
Speaker 4: We know there's one flag.
31:01
Speaker 2: You never asked us, We never got any sort of
31:05
Speaker 2: say in welcomes to country and then ran down our throat.
31:09
Speaker 2: You can't go anywhere now without the acknowledgments from white fellows,
31:12
Speaker 2: acknowledgments of country.
31:13
Speaker 4: How do we fight against that?
31:16
Speaker 7: Well, you'll notice that Angus Taylor stands in front of
31:21
Speaker 7: the national flag yep. And you'll notice that at Liberal
31:26
Speaker 7: Party gathering, so people are welcomed, but no one especially
31:31
Speaker 7: singled out, because all Australians are in have a spine
31:34
Speaker 7: on this stuff exactly right, and we have one. We
31:39
Speaker 7: might not always have had one, but we absolutely have
31:42
Speaker 7: one now. And we have a proven record of getting
31:47
Speaker 7: good things done in government. And that's why I say
31:51
Speaker 7: to people, be very unhappy with this government. And obviously
31:58
Speaker 7: today's polls show that a strong majority just wants this
32:02
Speaker 7: government gone. But ask yourself what is the most constructive
32:07
Speaker 7: way of getting rid of a bad government and getting
32:10
Speaker 7: a better one?
32:11
Speaker 12: Right?
32:11
Speaker 4: Two quick ones.
32:13
Speaker 2: I don't for a minute think you will go after
32:17
Speaker 2: Paul and Hands in the way that somebody it's on
32:19
Speaker 2: the right have because you you know, you make a
32:22
Speaker 2: bad situation worse.
32:24
Speaker 4: You have had a check in history with her.
32:28
Speaker 2: But I will note for my audience benefit that you
32:32
Speaker 2: a number of years ago had a Reproachmond and I
32:36
Speaker 2: guess you've got to You've got to fight to get
32:38
Speaker 2: those people back. You don't demonize one nation. I think
32:40
Speaker 2: that's what liberals have missed to be.
32:42
Speaker 7: I think I think that's absolutely right. We may from
32:45
Speaker 7: time to time politely disagree, but our real antagonist what
32:51
Speaker 7: needs to be gone as quickly as possible is a
32:54
Speaker 7: really bad green left labor government. So that's the main job.
33:00
Speaker 7: And as far as I'm concerned, just as the parties
33:05
Speaker 7: of the left or preference each other, I think the
33:08
Speaker 7: same should be true on the center.
33:10
Speaker 4: Right as well, just quickly.
33:12
Speaker 2: The return of the Islamic State women, it's got a
33:17
Speaker 2: lot of Australians worried. Why is it we've not yet
33:22
Speaker 2: had when there's been two cohorts come back, we've not
33:24
Speaker 2: yet had a proper press conference from the Prime Minister
33:27
Speaker 2: telling us who these women are, where they're going to live,
33:31
Speaker 2: what support they're going to get, and how he's going
33:34
Speaker 2: to keep those people that live in that community safe
33:37
Speaker 2: from women who were associated with linked to a terrorism cult.
33:42
Speaker 7: Well, there are two factors in all of this. First
33:45
Speaker 7: of all is the fact that the government still can
33:49
Speaker 7: hardly mention Islamist fanaticism, which obviously was the problem with
33:54
Speaker 7: these terrorist accomplices who are now trying to come back.
33:59
Speaker 7: And second, it's not upfront, it's dishonest with the Australian
34:03
Speaker 7: people and I'm afraid incompetence and dishonesty are the hallmarks
34:08
Speaker 7: of the Albanesi government.
34:09
Speaker 2: Well, mister President, we'll be talking to you pretty often,
34:11
Speaker 2: I suspect on this program, are you tony?
34:14
Speaker 7: Well, yeah, but my main job is to get the
34:18
Speaker 7: organization as good as it possibly can be, to make
34:21
Speaker 7: Angus Taylor, the thirty second Prime Minister.
34:24
Speaker 4: Well over there, thank you?
34:25
Speaker 2: All right, after the break, we'll get into the issues
34:27
Speaker 2: with the submarines. A big news over the weekend, three
34:30
Speaker 2: second hand Virginia class submarines.
34:38
Speaker 4: Welcome back.
34:38
Speaker 2: Well, the Treasurer can't spin this one away. The rubbers
34:41
Speaker 2: hit the road with auction clearance rates on the weekend
34:44
Speaker 2: a six year low. The value of homes is falling.
34:49
Speaker 2: We'll get to that with my panel in the moment.
34:50
Speaker 2: But now to the news in relation to Orcust and
34:53
Speaker 2: Australia's submarine deal.
34:56
Speaker 4: Is it adut? This is interesting?
34:58
Speaker 2: Three Virginia class submarines from the United States rather than
35:03
Speaker 2: a mix of old and new boats. It's confirmed on
35:06
Speaker 2: the weekend with meetings between THEPDPM and Hegseeth, the US
35:11
Speaker 2: Defense Secretary, that we will get only used boats. Also
35:16
Speaker 2: concerns about delay and US priorities. Joining me our our
35:20
Speaker 2: sky on News, defense analyst and doctor Peter Jennings, Well
35:24
Speaker 2: as I understand it, Peter, correct me if I'm wrong here.
35:27
Speaker 2: We were going to get one new and two secondhand subs.
35:31
Speaker 2: Now the complement will be three secondhand.
35:36
Speaker 13: Yes, that seems to be the deal, Peter, and I
35:39
Speaker 13: think the main factor that's bringing the situation about is
35:44
Speaker 13: that the Americans can't build these submarines quick enough for
35:47
Speaker 13: their own needs. Right now, they're building about one and
35:51
Speaker 13: a third every year. They need to be building something
35:54
Speaker 13: like two and a third in order to supply.
35:56
Speaker 6: Their needs and ours with new boats.
36:00
Speaker 13: I think, facing reality, that's just not going to happen
36:03
Speaker 13: inside a decade. So here's the fallback plan. It's three
36:08
Speaker 13: secondhand Virginia class boats. If we get the block of boats,
36:13
Speaker 13: the build of boats that we're aiming at, they'll have
36:17
Speaker 13: about twenty years plus life when we take them over
36:22
Speaker 13: and Frankly, I would be happy to accept a ten
36:25
Speaker 13: year old Virginia class boat anytime ahead of what we
36:28
Speaker 13: currently have, which is six twenty and thirty year old
36:33
Speaker 13: Colins class boats that are almost at a point where
36:35
Speaker 13: they're going to cease to be functional. So it's not perfect,
36:39
Speaker 13: but it's an outcome that reflects reality of how fast
36:43
Speaker 13: the Americans can build.
36:46
Speaker 2: And talk to me, how many boats do the Americans
36:49
Speaker 2: have in their fleet and what's their projections for you
36:52
Speaker 2: boats into the future.
36:53
Speaker 13: They're aiming to have something in the order of about
36:55
Speaker 13: thirty five to forty Virginia class boats. It's a continuous
36:59
Speaker 13: build and what they do is they put them out
37:03
Speaker 13: as in what they call blocks of five boats each.
37:07
Speaker 13: We're looking at Block four, which started to be constructed
37:10
Speaker 13: in twenty twenty, and they will continue with that build.
37:15
Speaker 13: But you know that is Frankly, the numbers the Americans
37:18
Speaker 13: are looking at are the bare minimum for what their
37:21
Speaker 13: navy really needs to deal with the China threat. And
37:25
Speaker 13: for them to be passing those boats to Australia, that's
37:27
Speaker 13: a massive vote of confidence in US. Sometimes I think
37:31
Speaker 13: a bit more confidence than we really deserve better, but
37:34
Speaker 13: that's nevertheless the plan which the Trump administration is locked onto.
37:40
Speaker 2: Right, let's go to what you have written about today
37:42
Speaker 2: in the Australian. I got to ask, you know, why
37:46
Speaker 2: aren't we just taking as many old subs as we
37:50
Speaker 2: can or secondhand subs for anywhere we can in terms
37:54
Speaker 2: of nuclear capability, maybe even British subs. I'm not that
37:58
Speaker 2: fust about it and putting out time and effort into
38:00
Speaker 2: these high tech autonomous subs, or perhaps buy a cohort of.
38:04
Speaker 4: Them from somewhere as well.
38:06
Speaker 2: I mean, I've never been sold on the idea that
38:09
Speaker 2: we're going to make these.
38:09
Speaker 4: Subs in South Australia.
38:11
Speaker 2: What can we do to get as much kit equipment
38:16
Speaker 2: assets into Australia as fast as possible and talk us
38:19
Speaker 2: through what an autonomous boat build might look like.
38:25
Speaker 6: So we are currently building.
38:26
Speaker 13: We in Australia are currently building vessels called Ghost Shark,
38:31
Speaker 13: which are about the size of a Greyhound bus. They're
38:33
Speaker 13: quite a substantial autonomous submarine which you can sort of
38:38
Speaker 13: mix and match according to the missions you're planning to run.
38:42
Speaker 13: You could have it as an intelligence gathering ship, you
38:44
Speaker 13: could have it as a torpedo firing vessel. And the
38:49
Speaker 13: Ghost charks have been I think a shining example of
38:52
Speaker 13: where new military technology is going. We started to produce them,
38:57
Speaker 13: or an American company called and Dural started to produce
39:01
Speaker 13: them with Australian modifications at a Greenfield's factory in Sydney.
39:06
Speaker 13: A large part of the whole form of their ships
39:08
Speaker 13: is actually three D printed. It's a remarkable piece of
39:12
Speaker 13: technology using artificial intelligence, and they can produced for something
39:17
Speaker 13: like sixty or seventy million dollars a copy compared to
39:21
Speaker 13: the billions that will spend for crude submarines in the future.
39:27
Speaker 13: And Peter, if you look at what's happening in Ukraine,
39:30
Speaker 13: the success that the Ukrainians have had in sinking large
39:33
Speaker 13: parts of the Russian Black Sea fleet. They're doing this
39:36
Speaker 13: with uncrued autonomous surface and subsurface platforms, and I do
39:43
Speaker 13: wonder I share some of your concern. Are we really
39:46
Speaker 13: going to be building crude nuclear submarines in Adelaide in
39:51
Speaker 13: the twenty forties when it may well be that autonomy
39:55
Speaker 13: uncrude systems is the way that all modern defense forces
39:59
Speaker 13: will go. Has been very slow, very slow to take
40:02
Speaker 13: up this new form of technology, but we're now just
40:05
Speaker 13: at that cusp and I think it's going to actually
40:07
Speaker 13: change a lot of future defense acquisition plans over the
40:11
Speaker 13: next few years.
40:13
Speaker 4: You are not wrong.
40:14
Speaker 2: There's this whole debate that we're not clever enough to
40:17
Speaker 2: build a nuclear power station, but we're somehow clever enough
40:20
Speaker 2: to build all of these nuclear subs. When they're one
40:22
Speaker 2: and the same thing these days, I just think there's
40:24
Speaker 2: something wrong with the whole idea in the first place. Peter,
40:27
Speaker 2: thank you, correct, I'm four nuclear subs. I'm just dubious
40:32
Speaker 2: of the being built in Australia. What's Defense doing when
40:35
Speaker 2: we get into this after the break? What is Defense
40:37
Speaker 2: doing about assessing recruits? Is trans recruits to the military
40:42
Speaker 2: based on their new gender, not the sex they were
40:46
Speaker 2: born with. That's after the break, Well, welcome back. It's
40:54
Speaker 2: assign The budget's already starting to buy it across the
40:56
Speaker 2: country on the weekend auction rates this is the clearance
40:59
Speaker 2: rate field six year low. You'll see there on the screen,
41:02
Speaker 2: how auction rates are fared across capital cities. I'll also
41:06
Speaker 2: point out that in Melbourne the median house price is
41:09
Speaker 2: now slipped back below one million. Joining me now to
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Speaker 2: discuss this and more. Deputy Executive director at the IPA,
41:16
Speaker 2: Dan wild An LMPMP the Blowcoho stands up for diggers
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Speaker 2: and gets thrown out of the Parliament. Wonderful Phil Thompson
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Speaker 2: joins me. Now, well, Phil, we warned, we said, you know,
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Speaker 2: you change these things, you just change the rules when
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Speaker 2: you ruled it out. You've got a massive state of
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Speaker 2: flux now in the housing market. And even if I'm
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Speaker 2: not selling my home and I'm certainly not out there
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Speaker 2: to buy one, I want its value to keep going up.
41:42
Speaker 2: I wanted to hold and that's what people will be
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Speaker 2: concerned about.
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Speaker 6: Oh absolutely, if you if you look at the confidence
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Speaker 6: throughout the market now it's plummeted. My brother works in
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Speaker 6: the industry on the Sunshine Coast and he's telling me
41:58
Speaker 6: that he's seen decline in confidence within the market. People
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Speaker 6: don't want to buy, people are nervous, People just don't
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Speaker 6: trust the government because they're known to lie. And if
42:09
Speaker 6: you look at those poor people who jumped on those
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Speaker 6: five percent deposit schemes, they're going to end up paying
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Speaker 6: more on their house loans and with their interests then
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Speaker 6: the house is going to be worth So I just
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Speaker 6: think that this government has really missed the have a
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Speaker 6: misstep here. They've gone in the wrong direction and it's
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Speaker 6: going to hurt younger people that are trying to get
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Speaker 6: into the market, the people that they're supposed to be
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Speaker 6: focused on.
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Speaker 2: And of course we've talked a lot about negative equity
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Speaker 2: down on an investment property, but I was reading a
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Speaker 2: story today if people were quite happy to be paying
42:43
Speaker 2: positive equity. If I can talk to that point and
42:45
Speaker 2: both Sorry, positive gearing is the better term for it.
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Speaker 2: But because of the way the yields are, you know,
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Speaker 2: they're not getting much back from rent and how high
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Speaker 2: mortgages are, you can't even get a home that you
42:56
Speaker 2: can have positively geared. So you've got all these people
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Speaker 2: exiting the investment market. Great if you want to buy
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Speaker 2: a home, pretty bad if you want to sell one.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's right.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty clear the government's completely stuffed it.
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Speaker 1: They don't know what they were doing. I don't think
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Speaker 1: the Treasury knew what they were doing either, although the
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Speaker 1: Treasury secretary did you say the quiet part out loud
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Speaker 1: when she basically said this is about revenue, not home ownership,
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Speaker 1: And we know that's the case, because if you want
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Speaker 1: to get more people in the homes, there's two things
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Speaker 1: you got to do. You've got to cut immigration, which
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Speaker 1: is the number one driver of demand, and you've got
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Speaker 1: to build more homes. The government's doing neither. In fact,
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Speaker 1: the budget committed to more migration one point three million
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Speaker 1: more people coming into the country, no more homes getting built.
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Speaker 1: In fact, the National Housing Accord, which is a complete joke,
43:39
Speaker 1: has met zero out of twenty one housing targets. Every
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Speaker 1: single monthly target missed. So we know the government's not fair.
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Speaker 6: Nick.
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Speaker 1: And when it comes to getting more Australians into their
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Speaker 1: own home.
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Speaker 4: Hey, Phil, explain this one for me.
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Speaker 2: If you wanted to go back and into the army
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Speaker 2: and put the uniform mind your fitness tests, your strength
43:55
Speaker 2: tests would be different than mine. Only could tick a
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Speaker 2: box to say you're trans and you'd get to do
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Speaker 2: my fitness test, not the biological male fitness test.
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Speaker 4: That's reports that are.
44:09
Speaker 2: Today we learn about only because of ANFOI from the
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Speaker 2: Daily Telly. You've been a soldier, What do you make
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Speaker 2: of this?
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Speaker 6: I think it's complete ridiculous. It is a social experiment
44:23
Speaker 6: that has been let out of Canberra. You know, I've
44:25
Speaker 6: been in a gunfight and when you're digging in with
44:27
Speaker 6: your eyelids and it's all gone bad. You don't look
44:30
Speaker 6: over and go, oh, I wonder what gender Sean has
44:33
Speaker 6: calling himself today. No one cares right the ADF and
44:37
Speaker 6: the army. There's an old saying, we hate everyone equally.
44:40
Speaker 6: You're all the same. There is no special treatment, there
44:43
Speaker 6: is no identity crisis, and these commanders and leaders need
44:47
Speaker 6: to be focused on the real thing at hand.
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Speaker 12: Here.
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Speaker 6: It's training our brave men and women to be in
44:52
Speaker 6: the fight. The role of the ADF is to fight
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Speaker 6: and win our wars, not partake in social experiments, not
44:58
Speaker 6: partaken what we're seeing when we're trying to roll out
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Speaker 6: different identity politics. This is not a place for that.
45:05
Speaker 6: This is a place for our brave to train because
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Speaker 6: if we need them, whether it's in natural disasters, peacekeeping,
45:13
Speaker 6: or in combat, no one gives staff about what someone
45:17
Speaker 6: wants to call themselves. They need to meet one standard
45:20
Speaker 6: we need to meet. That's it. We're all the same.
45:22
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter what you want to call yourself on
45:24
Speaker 6: the weekend. We're all the same. And that's where it
45:27
Speaker 6: needs to go back to.
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Speaker 2: Hey, I'll go to other risks, but you've had some
45:32
Speaker 2: wins you've really taken on the government. You've taken on
45:34
Speaker 2: the veterans Minister. We've talked about the beds before, but
45:37
Speaker 2: there's now an Invictus win and you're hoping for more.
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Speaker 6: Absolutely so. We've seen Invictus Games get funding for three years,
45:47
Speaker 6: which is fantastic because that event saves lives, it really does.
45:52
Speaker 6: It's an adaptive sports program that has rolled out nationally,
45:55
Speaker 6: but also it goes international and you get to travel
45:58
Speaker 6: and meet like minded people around the world. We've seen
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Speaker 6: the beds get their funding reinstated, and thank you Peter
46:04
Speaker 6: and to Tony Abbott for being in the fight with
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Speaker 6: us on that. It's ridiculous. The money should actually be extended.
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Speaker 6: There should be more of it to get the VC
46:12
Speaker 6: recipients and people like Dug out there talking to people
46:15
Speaker 6: about it. But we want the government to, you know,
46:21
Speaker 6: to change their position on the five thousand dollars cap.
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Speaker 6: Someone said to me just yesterday said, oh mate, it
46:27
Speaker 6: must be a big weight on your shoulders taking up
46:30
Speaker 6: that fight, and I said, well it's not. That weight
46:33
Speaker 6: is nothing compared to the weight of a coffin of
46:35
Speaker 6: a friend of mine that I may carry. Because they
46:38
Speaker 6: can't get themselves out of a hole. This government needs
46:40
Speaker 6: to rethink their priorities and put our veterans.
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Speaker 2: First, beautifully said Mate poignantly said, Let's go to the
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Speaker 2: reports today in relation to the Australian Human Rights Commission.
46:51
Speaker 2: They have said this is a human rights commission, that
46:54
Speaker 2: a prominent driver increased racism against Indigenous Australians quo. Some
47:00
Speaker 2: politicians and local governments have promoted anti welcomed to country
47:05
Speaker 2: agendas and that they have denounced the presence of Aboriginal and.
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Speaker 4: Torres strait are under flags. I kid you not, Dan.
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Speaker 2: They are now taking us to task that we are
47:17
Speaker 2: suddenly the racist because we're questioning the whole welcome to
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Speaker 2: country nonsense. And it is nonsense because none of us
47:23
Speaker 2: have ever been asked in the first place, first place,
47:27
Speaker 2: whether we want to start every event now in this
47:30
Speaker 2: country with what has become the new official religion of Australia.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's right, I mean, this is another reason why
47:37
Speaker 1: the Australian Human Rights Commission needs to be abolished, to mean,
47:40
Speaker 1: why are taxpayers funding this nonsense? And when we were
47:45
Speaker 1: asked about whether we want to be divided by race
47:47
Speaker 1: with the Voice to Parliament, we said no. Sixty percent
47:50
Speaker 1: of Australians said no, we don't want to be divided
47:52
Speaker 1: by race. These welcome to country ceremonies have gone too far.
47:56
Speaker 1: I reckon they should all be replaced with the national anthem.
47:58
Speaker 1: You know, let's do something to you night us rather
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Speaker 1: than something to divide us. But these jokers should be
48:03
Speaker 1: sent packing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Phil, I'm fine.
48:06
Speaker 2: I went to the Dreamtime match Richmond versus Senon and
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Speaker 2: the g and it's an indigenous round. I was happy
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Speaker 2: enough to be there for a welcome to country at
48:15
Speaker 2: that particular match that weekend.
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Speaker 4: But not everywhere and not all the time.
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Speaker 6: No, not on the plane that you get on and
48:24
Speaker 6: where you land. I don't think that's appropriate. When I
48:28
Speaker 6: was on Palm Island just recently, I had someone comment
48:31
Speaker 6: on there and trying to troll me and say, oh,
48:33
Speaker 6: I hope you did an acknowledgment of country, and I
48:36
Speaker 6: reminded them that the Palm Island Council and all the
48:38
Speaker 6: mayor did a welcome the country they got on with
48:41
Speaker 6: the citizenship ceremony, the first they ever done in an
48:44
Speaker 6: Aboriginal community, which I thought was great. I just don't
48:49
Speaker 6: think that we need to be seeing an acknowledgement of
48:53
Speaker 6: welcome to country, every time someone stands up on a boardroom,
48:55
Speaker 6: every time someone opens a door. I think it's ridiculous
48:58
Speaker 6: and it's lost all of its potential meaning. And just
49:01
Speaker 6: send a nuther Jimmer prices all over this.
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Speaker 2: I gotta go, I gotta go enjoy the fiery week
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Speaker 2: of parliament.
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Speaker 4: Thank you to you both. That's it for me, see
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Speaker 4: you tomorrow night. Here's Andrew