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We drive the Kia Niro, Paul has a terrible Italian accent and how long you'll wait for a LandCruiser · The Driver's Show

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: So this episode is going to have a musical beginning
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: and Paul is going to freestyle wrap.
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: I can I just say before that happens, you look
• 0:14
  Speaker 2: quite disheveled today.
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: Thanks, What has happened to you over the past twenty
• 0:19
  Speaker 2: four hours?
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: I slept with your maid ah.
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: Which one? I was a bloken of female.
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: The one, the one in the left wing of the house.
• 0:30
  Speaker 2: She is a lefty as well.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, I thought his name was Stephen Jesus. Let's just
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: say he really dusted the gobwebs. Have you been.
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: Just living the dream? I picked you up today from
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: a house.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: In yeah, a Kia, in a Kia. You picked me
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: up in a keya Nero multi colored. So the interesting
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: thing is we're going to talk about this car a
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: bit later on, obviously. But you had the full electric
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: and I had the we and it was a deliberate move.
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: We wanted to give you the whole range. I had
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: the very the most basic you could get, and I
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: generally would I'm such a bitch like this, I'll turn
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: my nose up at any any base model. I'm like, no,
• 1:15
  Speaker 1: thank you, no no. But this she was a basic bitch.
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, the entertainment system was not. There was zero entertainment.
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: There was barely a system. It was more of a
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: doss program. It was anyway. We'll talk about that later on,
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: but thanks for the pickup. We did stop for snacks.
• 1:34
  Speaker 2: That was.
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: I've noticed a theme with you and snacks. You kind
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: of you just don't stop.
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: It's called diabetes.
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's called not helping your diabetes.
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: Do you know what this is? I legit. Had a
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: conversation with my doctor this week. He had the conversation
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: with me of you need to lose weight. You've put
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: on twenty plus kilos in three years.
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 2:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I told him to you change doctors and media
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: changed doctors. The best one is the best one is
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: like the Indian doctor is my favorite one because he's like,
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: according to the what do you call the thing the
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: cat scan thing of the ultrasound, Yeah, according to the
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: ultra do you look pregnant? You have a fatty liver.
• 2:22
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, is that something I should worry about? No? No, no, no,
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: Why I have a fatty liver like a wane? Don't
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: you worry? I think I'm gonna have to go on
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: some sort of a weight loss journey.
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: Because I can looking across the table now I can
• 2:36
  Speaker 2: say that clearly hasn't started with a half et and
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: bacon roll in a cookie.
• 2:42
  Speaker 1: You should judge me less. Yeah, what fun cars have
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: you been looking at this week? I've been looking at
• 2:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of classic cars. Actually, oh I've been. Yeah,
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: I've been a classic car shopping Oh for what? Well,
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: you know, youngs ago we were talking about cars we
• 2:56
  Speaker 1: wish we'd we'd driven, which is on a wish list,
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: And one of the cars that I brought up was
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: a Toyota Century. Oh yes, I be twelve. Yeah right,
• 3:07
  Speaker 1: and there's a couple out on the market moment, and
• 3:10
  Speaker 1: I figure, with fuel prices the way they are, why.
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: The hell not go all in? How much are we talking? Oh?
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: I think this particular one was about forty eight.
• 3:20
  Speaker 2: Wow, they are still expensive.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: That's pretty cheap.
• 3:23
  Speaker 2: Now, hold on, is this and you're an old century?
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: Oh it's not brand new, it's an old one. It's
• 3:28
  Speaker 1: like twenty hour.
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: I didn't know they were that expensive. Yeah, oh, I
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: thought they were like fifteen grand. No, this is I like,
• 3:36
  Speaker 2: I've got a certain standard. I know you don't like
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: bass cars.
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: I just think it'd be fun there's just a lot
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: of European classic cars at the moment that have I
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: feel like that they're not as well. The price hike
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: on them isn't as much as say a secondhand car
• 3:54
  Speaker 1: from the last couple of years, do you know what
• 3:55
  Speaker 1: I mean? So at the moment you can get like
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: a reasonable European could be a bloody Maserati for instance,
• 4:02
  Speaker 1: for a pretty good price.
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I actually saw randomly where was I. I
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: was driving the Mitsubishi Outlander plug in hybrid from the
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: launch in Adelaide back to Melbourne and I stopped in
• 4:16
  Speaker 2: Horsham to charge the car and a new Toyota Century
• 4:21
  Speaker 2: drove past, but like a new, new one. And I'm
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: just I'm actually just googling it now because that's what
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: surprised me. It was. I think it was a century. Yeah,
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: it was like a new one. I thought it was
• 4:34
  Speaker 2: really interesting that.
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: Have you seen? They don't really do them here. But
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: the Toyota Crown overseas was always like the especially if
• 4:42
  Speaker 1: you're in an Asian country, it was always the taxi
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: cab car. You know, whether you be in Hong Kong
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: or Singapore or something like that. It was a Toyota Crown.
• 4:50
  Speaker 1: So I've seen this new Toyota Crown that they've released.
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: I saw that bees Yeah, I did see that as well.
• 4:56
  Speaker 1: That that looks good drawings. Yeah, that looks really cool.
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, look, I think it's yeah that those cars
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: have an interesting niche and I think the fact that
• 5:04
  Speaker 2: they're still so expensive just shows you that how in
• 5:06
  Speaker 2: demand they are. A lot of people don't understand that
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: when importing a car, it may be cheap overseas, but
• 5:12
  Speaker 2: by the time you get it here, get it compliance
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: and repaxes and there is so much money just dropped
• 5:17
  Speaker 2: into a black hole that you never get back. So yeah,
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: well that's fun, good, good for you.
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: Just you know, I've got to I like the old
• 5:27
  Speaker 1: older European.
• 5:29
  Speaker 2: Car older maids.
• 5:32
  Speaker 3: Me and Daniel have patched things up. He gave me
• 5:40
  Speaker 3: some vigra. It was like seing an old friend haven't
• 5:44
  Speaker 3: seen any is. Thank you, Daniel, your piece of ship.
• 5:51
  Speaker 1: Now we should talk car news because there's some big
• 5:55
  Speaker 1: developments this week.
• 5:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's kick off with Lane Cruis seventies. Yeah,
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: it was hilarious. We will sent a picture from a
• 6:03
  Speaker 2: dealership that had a whole list of Toyota models and
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: the estimated wait times, and then it got to the
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: seventy series land Cruiser and the wait time was four years.
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: Bracket might not ever happen close break it.
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: It is a way these cars are stuck, like they've
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: stuck in the past a little bit that they are.
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: But Toyota has now come out and said that it's
• 6:26
  Speaker 2: stopped taking orders because they can't they can't build them, and.
• 6:30
  Speaker 1: It's it's weird.
• 6:31
  Speaker 2: I think that people have seen all of this news
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: on EV's the Act doing evs all this sort of stuff,
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: and they're like, oh my god, I need to have
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: a seventy series in my life that I can put
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: in the shed or just drivers a daily. And the
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: seventy series has become the new daily and trendy suburbs.
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: You see them driving to the coffee shop and they're like, oh,
• 6:51
  Speaker 2: that's my car over there. I've just come from the
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: Form instead of the Defender. So because the Defender has
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: become outrageously expensive, so it's the new hipster to buy,
• 7:00
  Speaker 2: which is quite funny.
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: Well, there was a land Cruiser once upon a time
• 7:06
  Speaker 1: was very much like the CEO's car that wants to
• 7:08
  Speaker 1: appeal to the common mans.
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Now it's like soccer mums, and the car
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: market is so weird at the moment. People are doing
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: weird shit. So I think now, with interest rates going
• 7:19
  Speaker 2: up like to record high as compared to what we've
• 7:22
  Speaker 2: been the past few years, I think that we will
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: see things like this returning back to normal. People who
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: had an order on one of these will go, ah,
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: can't be bothered waiting three years. I've got to pay
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: off the mortgage, bah bah blah. So I think in
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: general we'll see wait times for cars slowly coming back
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: to normal. But you know, it is an interesting development
• 7:39
  Speaker 2: here that they've kind of stopped it for the moment.
• 7:41
  Speaker 2: And the funny thing with these guys as well is
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: that Toyota has spent a lot of money upgrading seventy
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: series so that it still meets safety standards for today.
• 7:50
  Speaker 2: So they recently fitted it with side airbags so that
• 7:53
  Speaker 2: we get its five star crash rating. Yeah.
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: Just I don't know. I don't see the appeal in
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: these visual It's sort of just to me, it just looks.
• 8:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I get it. It's a it's a farm car.
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: It will never break down. I come from that sort
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: of family that bought these sorts of cars, you know,
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: But I just I look at it now and kind
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: of go, how is there a four year wait on this?
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: What sort of dystopian world are we living in?
• 8:18
  Speaker 2: Yep, it is crazy. Apple has hired Lamborghini's head engineer,
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: Luigi Tara Tara Borelli.
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: You need to say that with more of an accent
• 8:30
  Speaker 1: on its offensive.
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: Luigi, you're selling my Indian doctor.
• 8:35
  Speaker 1: You're gonna tell me I've got a fatty liver.
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: So he's moved from Italy to the San Francisco Bay area,
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: and the rumor is that he's joined Apple's secret vehicle program.
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: And it's so funny Apple. You know that there's so
• 8:50
  Speaker 2: many leaks that come out of Apple, and they've been
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: working on this car now for god, for who knows?
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: How is this the one that they Because they had
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: investors in Uber once upon a time, I learned that, Yeah,
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: have you seen that TV show? Yeh've seen that super Pumps.
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: Which apparently wasn't real. So one of my friends, one
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: of my friend's friends, was one of the very early employees.
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: He was in product development and he was at Uber. Yeah,
• 9:13
  Speaker 2: and he said a lot of the stuff that was
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: in that that Super Pump show didn't actually happen, So
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of it was dramatized. Oh god, yeah,
• 9:19
  Speaker 2: I also think that a lot of it was probably real.
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: But yes, old mate was a twenty year veteran of
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: Lamborghini and and was the head of vehicle dynamics for
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: fourteen years. So this guy knows his shit right, So
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: he's he's going to Apple, which which leads me to
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: believe Apple isn't going to release a car that is
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: just good at tech. They're going to release a car
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: that will take on Tesla, be the fastest, blah blah.
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: Blah, self drive, all that sort of stuff.
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you think about Tesla, if you remove
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: the high performance nature of those cars and the autonomy features,
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: it's just like any other ev right. It doesn't doesn't
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: do anything that special, but the fact that they have
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: a cult following based on, you know, being the quickest
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: sedan in the world and that kind thing kind of
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: gives them something to lean on. So Apple can't just
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: come out and have an average GV that isn't great
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: on well, it might be great on tech, but isn't
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: high performing or handling. So I think they really are
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: throwing the book at this to make sure that they
• 10:12
  Speaker 2: don't look like duds when they release this in comparison
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: to Tesla, because they will be Tesla's main competitor.
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: I reckon, yeah, I agree. I think Tesla, like one
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: thing stylistically that they lean on is they're minimalist and
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, and you know that that's
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: where Apple's going to be as well. I really can't
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: wait to see what these are going to look like.
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing. If I look at my phone, right,
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: I just pay the money I don't handle. So they're
• 10:36
  Speaker 2: already fine on price. They'll just charge whatever they want.
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: But the only thing that concerns me is how disposable
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: a phone is. I just hope they don't have the
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: same mentality with their cars. A lot of Apple products
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: are just disposable, Like when you're done with your laptop. Yeah,
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: you can sell it, but a lot of people don't.
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: They'll give it to a nephew or to parents or
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: something like that. I just wonder if the car is
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: going to be the same, whether they will engineer it
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: so that it is only something you hold on to
• 11:00
  Speaker 2: for a few years. Perhaps it'll be a lease.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: Imagine that, imagine waste on this. We've talked about this before. Yeah,
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: but wow, Yeah, that's a that's an interesting concept. It's
• 11:10
  Speaker 1: funny because I wonder also that this will this have
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: subscription services in it, like we've heard with BMW with
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: like if you want electric seats, you can subscribe to
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: electric seats.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: Now, yeah, it could do. And I mean you look
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: at the phone, right. I pay fifteen bucks a month
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: for the storage thing. I then pay the iCloud Y clouds. Yeah,
• 11:31
  Speaker 2: I then pay fifteen bucks a month for insurance.
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: You get insurance on that.
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: Literally three days after I bought this, I bought a
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: case on eBay. Three days after I got my phone,
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: I dropped it from like this height, yeah, ten centimeters
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: onto the table. The screen shattered into a million base
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, forox sake with the case, I'm with
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: no case because my case was still in the mail. Eventually,
• 11:57
  Speaker 2: because I had the insurance, I sent it back to them,
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: replaced the screen, I stuck the case on it, and
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not going to cancel the insurance because
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: you know, I need to just leave it there because
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: because you're a klutz, and I haven't dropped it since.
• 12:08
  Speaker 1: It is literally just Murphy's law. So, you know, those
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: people who don't have a phone case just worry the
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: crap out of me. My brother in law is one
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: of them, and he's got the most pristine phone. He's
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: really high up in the tech world, and he just
• 12:21
  Speaker 1: he doesn't have a case, and it bothers me. I'm like,
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: what kind of psychopath are you? You've got this amazing
• 12:26
  Speaker 1: pristine phone with no case.
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: You know what annoys me? I'm just looking at it now,
• 12:29
  Speaker 2: I'm taking the case off. It is such a beautiful
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: looking well, aside from the hemorrhoid on the back, really
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: it is such a good looking phone that you then
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: stick it in a case, you never get to look
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: at it. And I've got insurance with a case that
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: if I drop it nothing will ever happen.
• 12:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gets rid of the case. You know what, let's
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: still it live. Now, why have you got a case?
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: It's been I've just thrown the case. Now watch this
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: break within the next minute. Yeah, and I let it
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: sit there just I can see what I think about.
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: That, all right, So general murder is cracking down on
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: resellers of in demand vehicles.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: GM in the US is basically penalizing buyers of some
• 13:07
  Speaker 2: of its more expensive, high demand vehicles who resell them.
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: We've seen this here in Australia with things like EV
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: six Model three. They'll take delivery of the car listed
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: online immediately and make some money out.
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: Of it, Land Cruisers, all of them.
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So it's targeting buyers who purchased the new
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: Cadillac Escalate X, Escalate V drunk on cam Butcher again,
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: the Chevy Corvette z O six and the Hummer EV.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: So they're making them sign purchase agreements that prevents them
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: from reselling within twelve months after taking delivery. Good. So, yeah, look,
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: I think it's good as well. You know, I am
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: in two minds. Yeah, no, I think it's good because
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: nothing annoys me more than a brand new car being
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: released that I'm on a three year waiting list for
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: to then have some parts, turn around and try and
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: resell it for thirty grand more online. It actually just
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: per me off. So certainly for the first year of allocations,
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: I think this is a great idea because it means
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: that I'm not going to go try and ditch this thing.
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: My only concern is what happens if you genuinely wanted
• 14:10
  Speaker 2: to own a zero six and all of a sudden
• 14:12
  Speaker 2: fell on financial troubles. Perhaps there's a clause if you
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: can prove that you're doing it tough, or you sell
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: it for the price you paid for it, it's okay.
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: I was going to say, I think there's going to
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: have to be something like that. I mean, surely if
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: you can't make if your cars on finance and you
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: can't make repayments, you know that's going to have to happen.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: But as you said, like if you are going to
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: resell it, there possibly needs to be kind of okay,
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: but it's capped.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Look, contact at the Drive Show dot com
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: dot au, send us an email or hit us up
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: on social. Let us know what you think about this.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Should they do this in Australia. We do see a
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: lot of this happening recently, so I'd be curious to
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: see what people think on that.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: My old man finally got his land Cruiser. Ah and yeah,
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: basically the exact same one was in the showroom selling
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: for thirty grand more than what he paid. Thirty grand.
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: I said, Dad, that's the dealer who's bought that off
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: a customer and has resold it like that's that's that's.
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: Pretty shit for no one wins out of that, And
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: I do wonder does anyone dealer out of that? But
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: does anyone actually pay the thirty grand? I wonder if
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: what the dealer does is they listed at thirty grand extra,
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: but they settle on twenty grand extra, so you feel
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: like you got a deal, but they've still gained twenty grand.
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: I feel like you could dub them in over that.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: But some people don't care, like Ford dealers with Ranger.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: Some were trying to charge customers six grand deal delivery
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: fee even though the last deal of delivery fee they
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: charged was like fifteen hundred bucks. And we complained to
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: Ford and Ford was like, oh, well shop around. It's like,
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: well I can't. That guy's got my order and he'll
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: just give it to someone else. Like the shop around
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: things bullshit.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: That's pretty much a dealer discretion, right.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's your brand. I mean, yes, it's their business,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: but ultimately it's your brand, your reputation at stake here
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: because of some dealer who wants to make a quick buck.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: It's like, just be good, don't be shit you'll actually
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: make money in the business.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: Speaking of GM man, that Hummer EV looks good.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: How good is it?
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: I love it?
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: She's to be a heavy bugger too, isn't it. Yeah,
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: fat little bugger to get down the roads actually.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: With you and it No, but it would be I
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: literally several guffles. I'm going down the I literally drove
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: you here, So don't clean your keys around.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: I have no way to get home. I'll actually be
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: standing outside this studio. You can finish the rest of
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: the show and like, so, how's about that? Left home?
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: So with the hummery V, it's actually so heavy that
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: it falls into a light truck category and it has
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: to have a specific set of lights on the front
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: that sort of designated as being a light truck for
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: oncoming traffic. That's how heavy it is.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous crazy. Is that that's coming here? Right?
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: TBC. Yeah, it's another one of these cars that can
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: barely make enough off for the States. So they're probably
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: not looking to export anything in the near future at all.
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: We should talk Kia Nero wait for it. Yeah.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: The twenty twenty three Kia Neuro prices start from sixty
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: five thousand three hundred dollars for the Entry neuro S
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: and seventy two thousand, one hundred dollars for the tops
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: back GT line. Here we review both.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: All right, So the twenty twenty three what are you
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: laughing at?
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: I'm laughing when we get to the price, because you
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: were trying to guess the price of the car that
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I picked you up in.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the Kia twenty twenty three Kya Niro. I
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: had the h ev yep S.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: This is the base one, which is base so forty
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: four three hundred.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Forty four, three hundred and eighty dollars with the five
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: hundred and twenty dollars extra for Perrimo paint.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Now, the one that I picked you up in was
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: the Topspec EV before on road costs seventy two thousand
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: and one hundred. I mean, you have got to be kidding, right,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: that is insane.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Even for the one that I had for forty five
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Forty five thousand dollars for a hybrid gets you a
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: RAB four hybrid.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: And that's not even that's not even drive away.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, that's the thing. I think Kia has really
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: missed the mark here with pricing for Nero. And look,
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: it does launch in Australia very soon after Europe, which
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't often happen. And it's also the first car to
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: debut care Connect, which is their phone app, so you
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: can interact with the car. Great good, but it's late.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: A lot of other brands have had this for a
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: long time now. Yeah, the reason I think it's so
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: expensive seventy two grand for the vehicle that I picked
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: you up in the full electric. Yeah, it's not overly quick,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: So it's one hundred and fifty killer what's two hundred
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: and fifty five newton meters batteries sixty four killo what hours?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Driving range of about four hundred and sixty kilometers on
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: the on the cycle. But to put that pricing into perspective,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: if you were to have a look at something like
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: a Tesla Model three, Tesla Model three in its entry
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: level trem will do about that range in terms of driving.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: And then in addition to that, it comes with all
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: of the bells and whistles in terms of features as standard,
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: even in the base model that's sixty five five hundred,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: so it's six seven grand cheaper than that. Nero.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: It's not a particularly big car. It's price aside for
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: one second, in terms of the base, I would say,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: there's a nice, cheap, cheerful car that a grandma would drive.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean?
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: It's that it's not cheap.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: No, it's it's not at all. And it's it's basically
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: sits on a ConA platform. Right, So that's sort of
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: going to give you a bit of size perspective. I mean,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: this car was really stripped back, really stripped back.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: It didn't even have that cute little stripe on on
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: the outside that yours has. It was just the black
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: pearl paints. Actually, funny story, right, I live in quite
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: a They said to me, please take care of this
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: car because it's going to a showroom as a like
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: a showroom piece sort of thing in two weeks, so
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: try not to scratch this one. I never park these
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: cars outside. I parked them in my garage. So that
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: particular day, that particular night, I had a hell of
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a day. I'm like, I'm just gonna park this outside
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: rather than move all the cars and stuff like that,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going to park it out in the street. So
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: the next morning I wake up and I live in
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: quite a sort of a quiet suburb. The next morning
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: there is a ASX, a Mitsubishi ASX on its roof.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: What I live in a street that you can only
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: do forty k's there's speed limit, there's speed humps and
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, and there is a ASX on its roof.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Had gone that fast? Flipped and obviously cars are parked
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: around the side street scraped three cars fairly brand new,
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: pretty much used Volkswagen Golf type are to stop. And
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: my car was missed by a meter or two. I
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: did say pictures of it.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I had no idea this show me.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: The well, I hang on, I've got to go through
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: the I've got to get through all these pictures of
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: the women's soccer team. First, I'm not even joking.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I know you're not disturbing, but so what happened? How
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: did the car end up there? Did they find the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: person or did the police kids?
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a stolen car, it was a local car.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: They just had a few venos. It was a soccer team.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: So so so.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, show me this. I'm very curious to see this.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: So holy crap, look at that is unbelievable. I don't
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: even understand how that happened.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, as you can see this sort of car
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and is that the Nero. There's another car there, and
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: then there's money.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Oh god, that is crazy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: That's a brand new ConA.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Wow, and it's hit that yeah wow, Okay interesting. So
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: let's put these pictures up on social so people can
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: see that that is crazy. I don't even know you
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: could get fast enough in an ax to roll it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: The thing is people will argue, oh, you can easily
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: roll a car if it hits a curb, even at
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: low speeds. That street is full of cars around the side.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: There's no curve to hit, so it's a very gentle
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: bend at forty kilometers an hour that person would have
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and it happened at twenty past six in the morning.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: That someone has just.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Like someone going to work.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: It's not like it's a someone someone's either gone to
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: work or had a big night on the piss. But
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: look that the area that I live in is very
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: much Wanderon Valley. Everyone knows everyone else's business, and that
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: person's known to be an absolute hone in a freak
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: in an ass a ex Mitch Subishi.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: It's disturbing.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Shit, it's weird. Ryan God anyway, So I've really looked
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: after this car.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah it looks like it but yeah, look, I don't know.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I just wasn't really blown away with it. It's Yeah,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: it is just disappointing that it's It just feels like
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: a low effort thing. And I think they've gone so
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: aggressive with the pricing because they're hoping that people who
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: wanted an EV six but don't want to wait two
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: or three years will basically just go buy one of
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: these instead. It's seventy two grand because it is comparable
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: to EV six Base, so I think they're just trying
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: to milk it a little bit while they can. It
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: does come with a lot of features and stuff, but
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I just don't feel that it's worth seventy two grand
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: for the top spec one that I was driving, the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: one you were driving with the hybrid technology. It is efficient,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: like it's four leaders per one hundred ks on the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: combined cycle, which is fine. So if it is ultimately
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: efficiency that you're after, that's not a problem.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: But not for forty five thousand dollars.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at that price, you're really close to four hybrid,
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: which uses about the same amount of fuel. Is bigger
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: better better?
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Tech better pretty much everything. It's it's so interesting that
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: they've priced this so high.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: It's cars are becoming expensive. If you look at other manufacturers,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: everyone is jacking their prices up. We almost are now
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: full time writing updated pricing stories on cars because every
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: week manufacturers will up their prices, removed features, semiconductors, blah
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: blah blah. So I think it'll keep going for a
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: little bit longer. We won't see prices stabilizing for a
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: little while, but as demand on the used car market subsides,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: we probably will see less demand for new cars because
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: you'll go, well, I'm just going to go buy a
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: used car that it is just so expensive now to
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: buy a new car that it's just not worth it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Well, that's my argument. I mean, for let's say, let's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: say fifty thousand dollars, If you want to take that
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and realistically a mum and dad aren't going to go,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: I really want a hybrid. I need a car I
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: need to put a couple of kids in. Would I
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: go this base model Key and Nero for fifty thousand,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: or would I go a Sportage with a few more
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: bells and whistles. It might not be hybrid, but who cares.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're really gonna want a hybrid to pay
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: that kind of money. So yeah, a little bit disappointing.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to Kea, but I feel.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Like hybrid's at the moment are just priced way out.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: We spoke about the mg what was it, the MG
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: HS plus plus EV which was fifty thousand dollars, and
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: that's just that was to me, that wasn't bang for
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: your buck at all.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: No, definitely not.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: That MG is renowned for bang for your buck really,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and that just doesn't fit in with what they've been
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: doing at all. What should we review next? I want
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: you to set me a challenge. I need you just
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: sent me another. Maybe maybe show up without food next episode?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, trying it to have a heart attack between now
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and our next episode.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: How's that for a challenge.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: We shouldn't fat shame.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I think I've got earn I shouldn't.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Wait, I'm going to be a new man next episode. Yeah,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I'm going to lose three kilos by next episode, probably
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: because I just took a shit.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Go drive a jeep. I just drove the Jeep Grand
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Cherokee l and that was an alarming experience. Is that
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: the really expensive one they've just released. Yeah, right, one
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen grand for the one that I drove. Well, actually,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: email us contact at the Drive show dot com dot
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: are you what do you want us to review? We
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: will be guided by you, guys. We want to know
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: what you want us to review. Yeah, because I'm curious
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: what people think and what they want.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll drive a jeep. I'll do a jeep. Okay,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and can it be any can I pick?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Because I don't want it to be that big luxury
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: thing just looked like a bit of a waste of money.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't be wrong on that.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: One hundred and fifteen thousand, right.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: The Summit Reserve sounds like a penfolds wine.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I don't I need a wine.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: I need a wine to go with this bacon egg
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: wine at the start of every episode.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, now I know why you're friends with Trevor.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Did he try and see you? In between our last
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: couple of episodes?
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: There was a letter and you know what I did.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I sent, I wiped my ass with it, and I
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: returned it to him. I said, stick this on the fridge.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: That your review anyway?
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Ah?
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, so fine. I'm going to finalize
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: that Jeep episode coming up, because here's the thing I
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: quite like. I've always liked Jeeps. I know they went
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: through a terrible, terrible phase.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: When did that end well? To me?
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Jeeps are one of those companies that you want them
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: to do well. Yeah, they just never just ah, I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: pulled my hair out.
• 27:53
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• 27:56
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• 27:58
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• 28:01
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• 28:07
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• 28:08
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• 28:15
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• 28:15
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• 28:16
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• 28:35
  Speaker 2: In our next episode, I will report back on how
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: that goes okay, what a shit challenge.