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SMNTY Classics: Mon Mothma · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. Lock this stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: never told you protection if I hurt you.
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  Speaker 2: And today we have another classic for you that I
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  Speaker 2: am once again bringing one back.
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  Speaker 1: I don't normally bring back.
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  Speaker 2: So soon, but uh and or season two, the final
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  Speaker 2: season just came out. I haven't seen it, and I
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  Speaker 2: feel like everyone around me has. And I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how to feel about this. And I was gonna watch it.
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  Speaker 2: I had a whole block set aside, and then it
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  Speaker 2: got My block got destroyed, Samantha, So I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll get.
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  Speaker 3: To like you actually showed and demonstrated to me how
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  Speaker 3: it got destroyed. Yeah, by the way, it looks like
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  Speaker 3: if you were playing, like have you ever don't break
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  Speaker 3: the ice?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it looks like you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: I was thinking of a Mario Party game where you
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  Speaker 2: have to break the blocks, which, by the way, I
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  Speaker 2: have won two games a Mario Party recently. So but anyway,
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  Speaker 2: I know super producer Christina has seen it.
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  Speaker 1: I have seen.
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  Speaker 2: The kind of viral dance scene of mon Mothma kind
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  Speaker 2: of getting sloppy drunk and dancing, And in fact, for
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  Speaker 2: Star Wars Day, as we were getting ready, we had
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  Speaker 2: this on repeat for an hour, so I have seen
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  Speaker 2: that now. I know. She was a very well loved
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  Speaker 2: character this season, which I'm a big fan of, because
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  Speaker 2: she had like we talked about in this episode. She's
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  Speaker 2: in Return of the Jedi for like a minute, She's
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  Speaker 2: in a bunch of the other stuff legends, all of that,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm glad she had her moment and let this
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  Speaker 2: woman dance. It was a poor I know the event
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  Speaker 2: and why she was dancing like this. So we're bringing
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  Speaker 2: back this classic mon matha.
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  Speaker 1: Please enjoy.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to Stefan
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  Speaker 2: Never told You Protection of iHeart Radio, and welcome to
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  Speaker 2: another sub sub sub whatever sub segment of a fictional women.
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  Speaker 1: Around the world.
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  Speaker 2: We are due to this month because Samantha is taking
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  Speaker 2: the lead on a very big project.
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  Speaker 4: And everything I do as an extra slow.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's a lot that you're working on and it
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  Speaker 2: should be coming out soon.
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  Speaker 4: But I have eight tabs open for this one episode.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot, everybody, and that stresses me out
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  Speaker 2: because I don't know if I've ever said this, but
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  Speaker 2: I don't like having too many tabs open. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 2: every time Samantha tells me something like that. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm like fanning my face in panic growing.
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  Speaker 3: It's only growing because it has become a like a
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  Speaker 3: mini series. Has something to do with this episode. It's
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  Speaker 3: become a mini series. Try to get it in. But
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  Speaker 3: there's so many questions and so many things I want.
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  Speaker 4: To talk about.
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  Speaker 2: M M.
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  Speaker 4: Y'all. Yeah, but yes, and thank you for taking those.
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  Speaker 4: But at the same time, you're like, I need to
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  Speaker 4: do two Star Wars stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm very very excited. It actually is related to
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  Speaker 2: what you're working on. Okay, so today we are talking
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  Speaker 2: about mod Mathma. But because as we're recording this, as
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  Speaker 2: it is a big it's a big recording day, it's
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  Speaker 2: life day also, which is Star Wars Holiday. I do
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  Speaker 2: have some updates I want to put in here. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: some Star Wars updates because mom Mathma, if you don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it is from Star Wars.
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  Speaker 4: Which I've just figured out.
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  Speaker 3: Mom Matha is that the monotone faced woman in the
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  Speaker 3: original trilogies.
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  Speaker 1: Returned the Jedi. Oh yes, okay, all.
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  Speaker 4: Right, where she kind of talks very slowly. Yes, okay, okay,
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  Speaker 4: so that's her. Oh I thought that when I was Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm only at the beginning of this indoor, so okay,
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  Speaker 3: all right, keep going.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, I just got so excited and click.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So here's some Star Wars updates. Number one.
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  Speaker 2: I listened to the MPR radio dramas. I've been putting
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  Speaker 2: this off because they're fifteen hours long combined. They are
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  Speaker 2: beautiful and wonderful and fun and they answered so many
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  Speaker 2: questions that you've asked.
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  Speaker 1: Sabantha, Okay, there's like.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot more grieving in the radio dramas. Oh wow,
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  Speaker 2: I really really recommend them.
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  Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved them.
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  Speaker 2: Mark Hampill's in it is Anthony Daniels. Yeah, he's in
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  Speaker 2: Mark Hampill's in the first two. He's not in Return
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  Speaker 2: of the Jedi. But they're they're really fun. I liked
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  Speaker 2: them a lot. Also, go check out our Toxic Masculinity
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  Speaker 2: and Mandalorian episode that we did.
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  Speaker 1: But a lot of you wrote.
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  Speaker 2: In with some thoughts about that, which I love and
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  Speaker 2: I suspected what happened, and we are going to read
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  Speaker 2: some of those messages. We have a listener mail episode
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  Speaker 2: coming up, so if you have any listener mail you
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  Speaker 2: want us to read please start sending those in because
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  Speaker 2: we're going to record that pretty soon. I did want
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  Speaker 2: to clarify a couple of things. Number One, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think I specified this, but the Clones, like as in
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  Speaker 2: the Clone Wars, are a lot of the people you
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  Speaker 2: see in the show, they aren't necessarily Mandalorians. Also, I
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  Speaker 2: totally forgot about this, and I can't believe I didn't
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  Speaker 2: put it in here because it's like one of my
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  Speaker 2: favorite things to talk about, because a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: bring up, you know, the parallels between Darth Vader and
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  Speaker 2: the Mandalorian, as in the Mandalorian from the show in
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  Speaker 2: their whole mass thing, because Darth Vader has, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a mask he doesn't take off until the end when
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  Speaker 2: he wants to look upon you with my own eyes,
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  Speaker 2: with Luke to see his son with his own eyes,
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  Speaker 2: and Mandalorian has that in season two where he takes
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  Speaker 2: his mask off for Grogu. But I think there's a
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  Speaker 2: kind of interesting difference here in that Darth Vader was painted,
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  Speaker 2: Darth Vader was jilly, and he took his mask off,
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  Speaker 2: and that was seen as like an act of redemption,
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  Speaker 2: a step forward, kind of shedding that like stoicism toxic masculinity,
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  Speaker 2: villainous mask. And I would say, like when the Mandalorian
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  Speaker 2: did it, there is a lot of religious trauma involved,
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  Speaker 2: but it was supposed I felt like it was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be kind of a step forward for him as well.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't come without all these other dramatic things. And
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  Speaker 2: if that's his choice, and that's his you know, religion, Gosh,
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  Speaker 2: we don't have time.
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  Speaker 1: To go into that right now. But if it is,
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  Speaker 1: then that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: But I think that one of the things I was
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  Speaker 2: trying to make the point of is that when these
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  Speaker 2: men told me, they.
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  Speaker 1: Saw that as a bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I found really fascinating that he took off
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  Speaker 2: his mask, right, And then I will say, also, so
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  Speaker 2: fan fiction the Mandalorian and fan fiction is mostly written
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  Speaker 2: by women or marginalized people. Right when the Mandalorian takes
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  Speaker 2: off his helmet. That is like I mean, if I
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  Speaker 2: had Bingo a Bingo card, which I actually do. A
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  Speaker 2: fan fiction is Star Wars fan fiction that happens all
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  Speaker 2: the time, and it's painted in a very positive flight.
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  Speaker 2: So I find that really interesting too. And then I
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  Speaker 2: didn't talk about this, but I found this essay the
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  Speaker 2: other day about the whole subversive nature of the end
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  Speaker 2: of Return of the Jedi, which is what I keep saying.
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  Speaker 2: And when he throws away, when Luke throws away his lightsaber,
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  Speaker 2: that's the powerful moment. When he defeats Darth Vader physically
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  Speaker 2: in combat, that is a weakness and he failed. And
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  Speaker 2: that's so different than what a lot of our superhero
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  Speaker 2: movies are. And in fact, they found a whole essay
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  Speaker 2: about the Winter Soldier and how the ending of that
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  Speaker 2: when Captain America refuses to fight his friend, the Winter Soldier,
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  Speaker 2: and they tied that directly to the fact that he
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  Speaker 2: has seen.
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  Speaker 1: Star Wars because at the beginning he.
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  Speaker 5: Answers a little yes right, yes, yes, And it's not
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  Speaker 5: just me thinking this, but related to this episode, and
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  Speaker 5: I know a lot of you are listening this and
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  Speaker 5: they're like, oh my gosh.
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  Speaker 2: But related to this episode, that whole idea of the
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  Speaker 2: Mandalorian culture of you know, you win the Dark Saber
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  Speaker 2: via combat and usually via killing somebody else. Setene Kreese,
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  Speaker 2: who we talked about, we have another fictional Women Around
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  Speaker 2: the World episode on she was trying to make a
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  Speaker 2: more pacifist Mandalorian culture and there you can argue about
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  Speaker 2: that all you want, but kind of the message in it,
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  Speaker 2: because she felt she was assassinated and then everything went
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  Speaker 2: to hell was disarmament equals ruin And that is related
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  Speaker 2: to Mon Mathma, who were talking about today, and I
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  Speaker 2: find that very interesting.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, now I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Also going to have to talk about how traditional gender
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  Speaker 2: roles manifest and pop media and fan fiction, but that's
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  Speaker 2: for another day. I can't wait to read some of
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  Speaker 2: these messages. I'm so excited. But all right, those are
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  Speaker 2: my updates for now.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, I'm then Now we are going to talk.
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  Speaker 2: About mod Mathma, and there are going to be some
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  Speaker 2: spoilers for and or which as we speak. The season
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  Speaker 2: finale is next week, so I haven't seen it yet,
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  Speaker 2: but I have a suspicion I know what's going to
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  Speaker 2: happen with Mon Mathma at least, but I'm not going
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  Speaker 2: to talk too much about that. I'll say I always
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  Speaker 2: loved mon Mathma in the original trilogy as a kid.
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  Speaker 1: She is in it.
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  Speaker 2: She is the one that says many Bothams died to
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  Speaker 2: get us this information in Return of the Jedi. A
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  Speaker 2: part of it could be the fact that she was
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  Speaker 2: like one of three women in the movies. She's barely
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  Speaker 2: in it, but I did love her whole look. I
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  Speaker 2: loved her whole vibe. She's clearly important, she's a leader,
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  Speaker 2: and while she's calm and poised in the face of
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  Speaker 2: possible total annihilation, she doesn't hide her emotion. It was
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  Speaker 2: another instance like where Leya, where it's clear that Leyah
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  Speaker 2: and mon Mathma demand respect, that they can control room,
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  Speaker 2: and mon Matha is not questioned for one second because
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  Speaker 2: of her gender. She is briefly in episode three Revenge
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  Speaker 2: of the Sith and in a very important deleted scenes.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of the deleted scenes where I'm like, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, you could have.
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  Speaker 1: Cut some other things out. I think this one should
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  Speaker 1: have been in there.
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  Speaker 2: But she was played by Genevieve O'Reilly, who plays her
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  Speaker 2: in and Or In that scene that got cut, it's
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  Speaker 2: just made very clear that she's a founding member of
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  Speaker 2: the Rebellion and the Alliance, which we do see playing
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  Speaker 2: out in and Or Now. She was in Rogue One
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  Speaker 2: as well, also played by O'Reilly. She was featured in
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  Speaker 2: the animated series the animated series The Clone Wars, voiced
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  Speaker 2: by Kath Souci, and Rebels voiced by O'Reilly.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She was first introduced in the nineteen eighty three film
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  Speaker 2: Returned the Jedi. She was played by Caroline Blackiston, and
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  Speaker 2: Blackiston put all kinds of thought into the role, even
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  Speaker 2: though she often joked she was only in the movie
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  Speaker 2: for twenty six and a half seconds, but apparently they
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  Speaker 2: like changed the script right when she was walking in, and.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't really know what edy of it meant, like
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  Speaker 1: what is a Bothain? Who knows?
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  Speaker 2: So she decided to portray this character as a moon
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  Speaker 2: mother because she thought mon Mathma sounded kind of like
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  Speaker 2: moon mother and there's a lot of it takes place
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  Speaker 2: on a moon that she was going for very cool
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  Speaker 2: and collected because of that, and she wrote George Lucas
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  Speaker 2: about playing a young mon Mathma's grandmother.
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  Speaker 1: But never got a response.
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  Speaker 2: But seems genuinely delighted at how much the character has
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  Speaker 2: taken off. It's really cute to read her kind of like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: people really people really liked it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yes.
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: I'm getting ahead of myself. Standard Star Wars disclaimer. There
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  Speaker 2: is canon, which is Disney currently Disney owned. There is Legends,
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  Speaker 2: also called Extended Universe, which was pre Disney no longer canon,
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  Speaker 2: but they take a lot of stuff from that and
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  Speaker 2: make it Disney canon, which is very confusing. I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to try to make it make sense. But the Wikipedia
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  Speaker 2: entry on this character even came with this warning quote
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  Speaker 2: Lucasfilm has not established a cohesive timeline regarding this subject.
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  Speaker 2: Editor discretion is advised. You know, I know, I know, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: thank you. All right, So let's start with what is
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  Speaker 2: currently canon. But because I did grow up with legends,
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  Speaker 2: we are going to talk about that too, and there
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  Speaker 2: are a lot of similarities. Man Mathma is a human
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  Speaker 2: woman born Onlla, and she got into politics at a
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  Speaker 2: young age, going on to represent her home planet in
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  Speaker 2: the Galactic Senate prior to the Old Republic's fall. If
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  Speaker 2: you don't know about Chandrilla, this is kind of telling
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  Speaker 2: you like she's a core worlder.
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  Speaker 1: She probably is pretty well off.
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  Speaker 2: But a headline when she was elected read Wizard teen
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  Speaker 2: senator takes on Corossant, so she was one of the
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  Speaker 2: youngest senators ever elected. She did have a hot girl
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  Speaker 2: summer before that, where she rebeled against her parents. She
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  Speaker 2: learned how to play smash ball, she fell in love
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  Speaker 2: decided to become a story and instead of playing a
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  Speaker 2: role in her family's political dynasty. But Summer's got it
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  Speaker 2: in some time, and so she ended up marrying parn
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  Speaker 2: Fertha at sixteen, which is pretty much kind of a
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  Speaker 2: politically arranged marriage. And they moved to Corrossant, which is
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  Speaker 2: the big city planet if you don't know where the
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  Speaker 2: Imperial center is, and she became a senator during the
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  Speaker 2: Clone Wars. She was a vocal supporter of peace and democracy.
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  Speaker 2: She found like minded folks like Senator Bail Organa of Alderon,
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  Speaker 2: who's Leyah's adopted father, and Padme Almidala, Leah and Luke's
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  Speaker 2: biological mom.
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  Speaker 1: Amongst others.
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  Speaker 2: Though at first, man Mathma was not impressed with Amidala
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  Speaker 2: after her vote of no confidence in Chancellor Valorum that
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  Speaker 2: put Palpatine in power, because man Mathma thought it showed
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  Speaker 2: that pad May put her the needs of her home
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  Speaker 2: planet above the needs of the galaxy. But Amidala, I
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  Speaker 2: keep switching back. Amadala and Padme the same person. Pad
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  Speaker 2: May later earned her respect, though they never really became
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  Speaker 2: close friends. I think they could have, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: Padme died and everything they worked together to try to
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  Speaker 2: provide diplomatic solutions to the war, believing the war was
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  Speaker 2: a threat to democracy. And this is between the separatist
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  Speaker 2: the Clone wars essentially, and they were fiercely opposed by
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  Speaker 2: militaristic sectors and corporation. Their outspokenness against the war meant
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  Speaker 2: that their initiatives often failed and it placed them in
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  Speaker 2: physical danger. One of Mathma's fellow senators and supporters was murdered.
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  Speaker 2: He's poisoned. Mathma was also on the council that determined
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  Speaker 2: the fate of Ahsoka Tano after she was falsely accused
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  Speaker 2: of the murder of sixth Jedi, and for more on
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  Speaker 2: that you can check out.
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  Speaker 1: Our Ahsoka episode.
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  Speaker 2: Mathma, Organa and Amadala petitioned Chancellor Palpatine aka the Emperor
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  Speaker 2: aka the Sith Lord who manufactured and puppeted the whole war,
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  Speaker 2: to rescind his executive wartime powers, but he instead.
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  Speaker 1: Claimed that the Jedi war traders.
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  Speaker 2: And had almost all of them killed, enslaved the Clones,
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  Speaker 2: and he proclaimed that the Republic was now the Galactic
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  Speaker 2: Empire and guess what he was in charge? And now also,
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  Speaker 2: I have a terrifying and horrifying enforced her name Darth Vader.
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  Speaker 1: Mysterious.
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  Speaker 2: Mathma and Organa attended Padme's funeral together and she was
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  Speaker 2: arrested alongside Organa for colluding with the Jedi, but both
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  Speaker 2: were freed after publicly declaring their loyalty to the Empire.
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  Speaker 2: So when the Republic fell and was replaced with the
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  Speaker 2: Galactic Empire, she Man Mathma held onto her seat, secretly
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  Speaker 2: working with Senator Organa and luthen Rail, who's in Andor,
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  Speaker 2: to topple the fascist regime, planting seeds of the rebellion.
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  Speaker 2: She didn't think the Empire would disband the Senate because
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  Speaker 2: their abilities and powers had already been so limited, so
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  Speaker 2: she was like, we're kind of a useless Why are
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  Speaker 2: they going to go through the the effort of disbanding
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  Speaker 2: us because they've already limited us so much. She also
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  Speaker 2: believed that Palpatine had expertly maneuvered the war to lead
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  Speaker 2: to this, so she was pretty sure he was in
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  Speaker 2: the mastermind behind the whole thing. However, her husband was
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  Speaker 2: a strong supporter of the Empire, and her daughter resented
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  Speaker 2: how much she poured into her work and that she
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  Speaker 2: might be married off. She's also an and Or and
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  Speaker 2: in Legends, and I know what happens in Legends, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm wondering what they're going to do in and Or,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll see. Mathma also served as a mentor for
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  Speaker 2: Leah Leah, We're gonna counseling her before she took her
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  Speaker 2: own Senate seat and proudly watching, and she became a
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  Speaker 2: leader in the burgeoning rebellion against the Empire. She encouraged
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  Speaker 2: Leah in collecting evidence of the Emperor's misdeeds to correct
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  Speaker 2: the false history he was painting after his fall, and
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  Speaker 2: we saw a lot of the like savvy maneuvering and
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  Speaker 2: sacrifices Mathma had to make for the Alliance Throughout and Or,
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  Speaker 2: especially concerning securing credit flow. Mathma continued to be a
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  Speaker 2: vocal detractor of the Empire as safely as she could be,
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  Speaker 2: and even the Emperor himself. She publicly denounced him and
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  Speaker 2: left the Senate after the Gorman massacre and was labeled
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  Speaker 2: to trade her and put on the Empire's most wanted list.
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  Speaker 2: The Ghost Crew from Rebels the Show got her out
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  Speaker 2: of there before she could be arrested, and she officially
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  Speaker 2: founded the Alliance to restore the Republic.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on in and Or.
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  Speaker 2: But whatever most of the rebels, I'll find out soon.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the rebels joined up, but not all, including
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  Speaker 2: Sagerera and the like, who caused her a lot of
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: problems because basically he was seen as more militant and extreme.
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: I would argue, yeah, he is more militant and extreme,
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: and she was very pragmatic about timing and resources. We
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: see this depicted an and or two with her cousin
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: val show that.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Was a spoiler. Oh well, whoops.
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  Speaker 2: Was involved in a leadership position of several Alliance operations
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: depicted in Rebels in the year zero bby Are. Before
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: the Battle of Yavon, which is a New Hope guest Star,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: she called for the recruitment of jin Urso and this
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: is where the events of Rogue one play out, where
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: a lot of folks died to get the death Star
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: plans to the Alliance. When Aldron was destroyed, she became
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: the last remaining original leader of the Alliance and even
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: wrote a surrender speech to the Emperor before she learned
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the Rebels survived on Yavon and destroyed the Dustar. Though
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: she had contingency plans to ensure the Alliance's survival, but
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: she was like, if this.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: Doesn't go our way, then I'm going to have to surrender.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: She made several difficult decisions like that during her time,
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: including not devoting resources to rescue Luke Skywalker after he
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: was captured on his mission by Grachis. Thought she encourages
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: Leah to pursue love. She approves of her mission to
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: save Han Solo, and also confides intelligence that the Emperor
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: has a second death Star and intends to destroy any
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: planet that houses rebellion, including Mathma's home planet of Chandrilla,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: and she expressed concern that Leah was putting herself at
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: too great a risk by volunteering for that last mission,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: but Oleah was like, Nope, got to do it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: She helped lead the Alliance during the.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Galactic Civil War, including when she pops up during Return
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: of the Jedi. When the Empire was defeated, man Mathma
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: became the new Republic's first Chancellor. She oversaw the passing
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: of the Military Disarmament Act and the stripping of the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Chancellor's emergency wartime powers, things that later helped the First
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Order rise. So that's what I met at the top
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: when People sometimes blame her for the First Order's rise
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: because she was taking away the weapons, but also like, oh, gosh,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: I don't have time to get into a political argument
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: right now. When man Mavma left office, factions were engaged
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: in fierce debate about the government's future, and during her
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: tenure she still had these difficult decisions and compromises to make,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: including ones she would have protested as a senator.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: That's sort of her her war inner war. During this time,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: her inner conflict.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: She and Leah frequently disagreed, and Mathma always was pushing
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: for pragmatism. Lots of political machination, spying, making of deals happened.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: She supported Leah publicly. When her parentage was revealed, the
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: First Order was like, oh guess what her dad is
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Darth Vader, and man Mathma supported her. Mam Mathma listened
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: to her constituents and constantly worried about becoming the next Palpatine.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: All right, So that's sort of where we are with canon.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: I want to very briefly go over legends, Okay, So
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: it's pretty similar. In legends, she was a bit more
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: open in her defiance at the Empire. During her time
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: in the Senate. In it, she did tutor Leia. She
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: had to flee from the Empire after the Empire grew
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: tired of her opposition. She was betrayed and arrested by
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Darth s Bab, but later escaped and continued to lead
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: the Alliance. She helped her nephew become an imperial spy,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: which was really intense storyline. When the Organas were killed,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Mathma was accused of trying to usurp power in the
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Alliance and became and become the next Palpatine.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: That she proved her dedication to democracy.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: She led that Return of the Jedi meeting even after
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: learning about the death of her son just before. After
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the Battle of Vandor, she became the Chief of State
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: of the new Republic, a position she held for eleven years,
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: and she led the new government through multiple military threats.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: She officiated Leah in Hans's wedding, and she was succeeded
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: by Leah Organa, and she died peacefully in her sleep,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: even though she had been poisoned. It was like this
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: poison they couldn't get rid of, so she had kind
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: of this long fight with illness, but she died peacefully.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: She did serve again temporarily when Leah had to go
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: off and rescue her brother and apparently sent Luke on
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: a mission to find a wife.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I don't remember that, but I believe it happened.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: She was a guest of honor at Luca Mara Jade's wedding,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: and an important new Republic ship was named after her,
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: So she did a lot.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: She was very important. She was pivotal to this whole thing.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: And O'Reilly, the actress who's playing her, said of the character,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: you don't have to look too far, no matter which
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: profession you work in to see women who are trying
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: to affect change from within. I looked to different female
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: leaders around the world, and sadly we don't really have
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: enough of them.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Still.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Often they are lonely voices or voices that others are
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: trying to silence. I see a correlation with those voices
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: and with Mon, and with Mon's voice. For me, I
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: didn't have to look too far to see the women
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: that I believe can be reflected in Mon's fight. I
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: recognized her, I recognized her fights. I want to stand
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: up for her as a character because I think we
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: can all recognize her. No, yeah, yeah.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Her husband is a bad guy. I'm not quite there.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I just got to introduced to him.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Oh well he's yeah, he's not great. I'll have that.
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Sorry for any accidental spoilers in there, And again I
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: appreciate you, Samantha for just letting me go like.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Plows, I'm down.
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: The fact that I was like, oh, that's her.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Was the only I have. Yeah, yes, it is funny.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: And she had like twenty six seconds in that movie
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: and we were all like, but what about her though?
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: I want to know all about her.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: She's very regal. She is quite regal. She's quite regal.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: And I love her fashion in the show. Yeah, whoever's
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: doing the wardrobing is top notch gorgeous.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: So she actually portrayed the same the actress that plays
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: on Mathma and or portrayed it in the secondary movies.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: I don't know they are.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Why are they not the originals of the she in
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: the prequel trilogy? Yeah, oh, the prequels. She was in
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Revenge of the Sith, and she was in I Rebels
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: as a voice and Brogue one.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, did they do the digital imaging on her
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: in the prequels because it looked a lot like her.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: I mean, sure, okay, no, no, a lot like the original.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Oh maybe, uh, because she's like I think
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: in Revenge of the Cysts, she's in the background, you
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: barely see her.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Wait, she was a Rogue One as well?
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: Yes, so is that where they did a digital face
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: on her?
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: It looked like it because it looked like we were
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: all I feel like we talked about that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: Anyway. I hate that movie. Rogue One too.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Sad for some means kind of tough too. I gotta say,
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: oh no.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: No, it's not it's okay, it's okay.
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: Anyway, we come back, come in whatever.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, We'll come back and convene on this. But
• 25:52
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• 25:56
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• 25:59
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