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The Lunch Discussion - Cafe in the Park: A Community Corner in Stamford Park · The Discussion Podcast

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  This is the Late Late Lunch Show with Rod Maxwell.
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  So it's Rod Maxwell for Radio Alty and today I'm out and about,
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  not too far away from my house in the beautiful Stamford Park and I'm here at
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  Cafe in the Park which is part of the overall CFC organisation and I'm with
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  Kelvin Lau who's the manager of the cafe.
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  Kelvin how are you? Yes I'm good thank you, how are you too? I'm very well thank you.
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  Now I think this cafe is almost like a best kept secret.
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  It's sort of in the park, and it's a beautiful location, and it's a great place
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  to come for a cup of coffee, a cake, or whatever.
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  Tell me about the background to the cafe.
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  Yeah, there's cafes of very interesting things. There's some elderly customers
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  come here, or they already live in the ocean, maybe 30 or 40 years.
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  When they come in, they ask, oh, I don't know, here's a cafe in the park at Stamford Park.
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  Yeah, because yes, I told them, yes, because we don't have any advertising,
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  marketing, and we have just a big banner, just have a cafe in the park here.
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  So, oh, there's a nice place in the park so we can get coffee here, take a rest.
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  That's it, our cafe in the park.
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  As you stay here, we are under the Counseling and Family Center, CFC.
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  CFC, we do everything, family counselling, especially children's counselling part.
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  Even just when you come to a cafe in the park, buy everything,
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  coffee, food, everything, that's helped us to let children grow correctly.
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  And when I've been down here in the past and had a cup of coffee,
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  there's a lovely atmosphere of the young children and their mothers or their carers bring it down.
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  And that brings an energy to the cafe as well.
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  Yeah, because we are located in the park, so our customer, there's mainly just,
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  grandparents and sons and kids,
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  young parents and kids, and some maybe dog runners or elderly couple.
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  So just once let me feel pleased that so once maybe I'm working here for four years already.
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  Before, I just saw some young mom that was pregnant.
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  After that, the newborn baby, just very little. And one year by year, just let they grow up.
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  And yeah, I think that's so lovely.
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  Yeah, but sometimes, yes, they will still get very energetic.
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  We are happy and we have years by year, our bonding from the cafe and the customer,
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  still being stronger and stronger.
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  We got quite a lot of royalty customers to come back again and again.
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  We are very happy.
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  The one thing, either the newborn baby, but as I said, there's so elderly people,
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  but that's very, I think, with some upset things year by year.
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  Once maybe we see some elderly people every week, but sometimes he or she didn't come again.
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  So maybe just try to ask some friends, oh, oh, oh, sorry, Kevin.
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  I'm really sorry. Just go on.
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  So sometimes it's just a good pity.
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  I understand that totally because when I go out dog walking I can meet somebody,
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  you might meet them over a certain time and then suddenly they don't you don't meet them again,
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  and you're sort of thinking what's happened and then you find out later on that
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  maybe they passed away or they've become ill,
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  and I guess what you're relaying to me there is that there's a sense of community
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  there's a sense of family to this cafe yes there's also now I told you about
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  the bonding We have come very strong.
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  Just as you say, maybe not family, just like a friend.
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  Just maybe come here, take a coffee. If not busy, at summertime we are very busy.
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  We are talking about the weather, what happened the weekend, everything on top.
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  If there's a grandparent, talk about their grandson, how not he in the school. Just everything.
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  So Kelvin, can I ask, you're originally from Hong Kong. Yes.
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  And you came over, how many years ago did you come to England?
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  Yes, I came here since 2022, January.
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  Maybe I know maybe everyone lives here, you may find that since that year,
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  you can see a lot of Asian face into maybe southern part of Manchester.
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  That is because maybe some people may know that with what happened in Hong Kong in 2019.
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  There's some political issue with CCP.
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  So they use a more strong rule that they launched Russian Lulu to try to control,
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  your speech, your freedom, your everything.
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  So because that's a long story, if people know that you can search Hong Kong
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  in 2019, there's a whole picture that you can learn more about it.
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  Some Hong Kong people, especially family, they have children,
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  so they try to make their children a good future.
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  They like to bring laws to everyone.
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  So they want to move not only to the UK, but some in Canada,
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  Australia, some in Europe, everywhere in the world, to give a more good future
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  for their children, as more freedom.
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  So that's it, we come here. As you say, many people and customers ask me,
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  oh, how is it different to Hong Kong or UK?
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  Yes, I think there's quite a bit different for even for eating culture,
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  even maybe entertainment.
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  Everything is quite different or in terms of consumer culture is quite different.
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  So just one example of that is Hong Kong before.
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  Hong Kong, you can eat everything during the midnight.
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  But up here, maybe after, not except the Manchester City Centre,
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  maybe just like the small time, just like the old time, maybe after 8 o'clock, everything's closed.
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  Yes, but in Hong Kong, restaurant may be from 10pm till 10pm, 11pm.
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  And if you want to buy something during the midnight, you just go down to the
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  street. you can find convenience stores everywhere, different kinds of small
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  restaurant, cafe everywhere.
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  Or you can just take on delivery. So you don't think about, oh,
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  I need to drive some so far away to buy something. But UK, actually, it's quite boring.
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  Yeah, to be honest, yes, yeah. But everything, the rhythm, the speed is very,
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  very slower than Hong Kong. So I no need to rush everything.
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  Even though the custom come here,
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  Oh, so even with elderly people, mother, even the kids, I say the very true,
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  oh, no, no, no, you just take your time to do the coffee.
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  Yeah, that's it. It's quite interesting. I think that, how to say,
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  the thing that fits out of my expectation. Oh, also, the mindset for local people
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  is quite different from local people, from us.
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  So that change from the bustle of Hong Kong to what you're describing as the
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  relative calm and slowness of coming here, that was a huge change for you.
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  And you're a young man. So, I mean, how have you adjusted?
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  I mean, obviously, having a sense of community around you, and this cafe is about community. Yes.
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  That must have become more important to you when you moved away from Hong Kong
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  and you settled here. Yeah, yeah.
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  First year, I worked here at the first beginning.
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  I was the only Asian man here. Even at the beginning, my English is okay but not good.
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  And just some colleagues, their accent I never heard before in Hong Kong.
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  So I used for a long time to adapt different kinds of UK accent.
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  Now I'm okay, but not 100%, 70%, 80%.
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  But it's really, really better compared with the few years before.
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  The most communities say Cafe in Nepal is just a charity.
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  We can't afford to do very huge labor costs. So we really rely on the volunteer.
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  I'm working the first year. There's not enough volunteer. with just me,
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  the other pay staff, maybe just two or three volunteers.
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  After one day, this quite inspired me. One day, there's one,
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  also the Hong Kong couple come here for coffee.
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  They just came to UK maybe a few months. They said, oh, why don't you ask Hong
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  Kong people to be a volunteer?
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  Yes. Oh, yes. Oh, that's because as I am Hong Kong people, I think Hong Kong
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  people don't like to be a volunteer.
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  Because they're too busy. too busy of seven days, so there's no time.
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  But, oh, so I'm just trying to ask,
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  In some social group, do anyone have an interest to be a volunteer?
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  Oh, very, I don't realize there's the replies.
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  So many people reply, they are very interested to be a volunteer here.
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  I think the most important thing is in Hong Kong, both parents go out for work.
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  They hire the domestic worker to take care of children. But here,
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  if you ask for care, it's very expensive.
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  So there's either father or mother just go out to work and the other one just
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  stay home. So after sending the students to school, maybe in the morning during
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  the afternoon, they're nothing to do.
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  They are willing to come here to be volunteer. Maybe after that,
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  they can take the children back after school.
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  And the most thing is here.
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  We can give the opportunity to local working experience once they are still.
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  Unemployed or after their children grow up and they have time to find a work
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  that's a better place to gain more working experience here.
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  Kelvin, you were just describing to me there how volunteering can help people
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  almost get back into a working lifestyle, also connect with the community.
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  And that's definitely, I mean, in some ways I sometimes think that the UK is
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  run by volunteers in a way.
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  But that's one of the roles then here where you bring people in and they get
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  back into sort of a working cycle and they get to meet people as well.
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  That must give you a great sense of purpose and achievement when you see somebody
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  coming through and they get back into that work mode.
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  Yeah, they're so happy because it's not only Hong Kong volunteers,
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  but also we have a lot of local UK, local people, volunteers.
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  Maybe they have difficulty to work outside and have different kinds of issues.
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  They have some retired people here to work and make coffee.
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  And even though they are not good, maybe doing coffee or making food,
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  they're likely to stay here, do something, washing, cleaning, everything.
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  I'm very happy and appreciate.
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  All of them, they're happy to volunteer in the cafe, but I'm very happy with that, yeah.
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  Has that helped you settle because you've got a sense of a family around you,
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  even though they're not direct relatives, but it's helped you feel more part of the area?
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  Yes, because before I moved to the other place, I lived in Alterntown for a few years.
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  Just here, maybe five minutes walk to the cafe. So I think I like there's not
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  only just in this Stamford Park, maybe…,
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  during the whole Oceania area. Sometimes, because we serve just the local community,
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  just almost them customers, we just live around five minutes, ten minutes walk here.
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  Sometimes I walk to down the street, so hi, Kelvin, hi, Kelvin.
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  Oh, nice to meet you. Sometimes I go to bar at night, and the next door is a
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  vegan customer may come to the cafe every week. Oh, why are you here?
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  I have a dinner and drink a beer with my wife. Yeah, that's lovely.
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  Even I don't want to be so famous.
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  But they're so happy just to say when I walk to the street, just say some different
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  kind of customers, say, hello, how are you? Yeah, that's really lovely.
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  And that is actually so important, isn't it? Because it gives you a sense of belonging. Yeah, yes.
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  And that this is a place that accepts you and you can live in.
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  It's a small thing, but it's a really important thing, isn't it? Yeah, yeah.
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  So I think as I'm the,
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  you can say I'm the immigrant to here, so I don't expect local people,
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  but I should put more passion or put more effort to adopt the new place, even though,
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  the weather, the place, the people, I need to adopt the new things.
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  That's because in Hong Kong, I'm doing office jobs.
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  But in here, I'm doing some catering. That's quite different for me.
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  That's quite good for me for doing catering jobs. I meet different types of people, kids.
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  That's good for me to learn what happens.
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  In this community, sometimes they say, oh, there's a new restaurant somewhere.
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  We try that, or there's a new thing. Oh, there's some maybe,
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  there's the tree drop during somewhere.
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  Just last weekend, there's a storm. They tell me, oh, there's something happened somewhere.
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  Also, yes, I think that cafe is not just cafe.
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  That's maybe as a community place, just people come here, chit chat, share, anything's.
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  Maybe make some friends. Yeah, I will volunteer. We are so lot of volunteers.
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  They work with different people and they can ask to share this opinion, everything.
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  I think not only me, but also it's good for everyone.
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  As I talk to you, one of the things that comes to mind is that I imagine in
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  Asia and in Hong Kong, family is a very important thing and it's a centrifuge of your life.
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  And actually, that's what you're bringing here. and here at the cafe in the
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  park, there is that family feeling and that must be one of the reasons why people like coming here.
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  Yeah, sure. So how to say, so I think local people, they are concerned about
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  the service, just how we treat them.
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  So we put our pressure, treat them.
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  I don't think there's a customer, they're just a baby friend,
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  maybe friends, sometimes a baby family that they come in I don't think they
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  buy a coffee it just buy a coffee but I think,
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  behind the coffee I think we can bring a lot to them even that oh not just a
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  coffee just oh I very cold warm maybe.
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  About the bonding I think I think bonding maybe not only here but everywhere I think.
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  Bonding communication that's a I think that's quite important just like here
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  at the CFC, so why are you constantly just really to communicate maybe different
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  kinds of people to know their problem?
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  To know their problem, everything, I think it is important for me maybe CFC and the community.
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  I think that is so important and actually only a sort of community based organisation
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  can do that, to have the compassion to have the time to even just to sit and
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  listen to somebody because,
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  in a commercial cafe people are just really interested in sales and turning over here,
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  I always feel like you're creating a place where people can come and talk if
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  they want to, share if they want to. It's quite a nice environment.
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  Yes, yes, it's very nice. Also, not only the cafe, that's nice,
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  but also outside the cafe, there's a Stanford Park.
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  Maybe our famous Stanford Park, Myra and Jackie do very well.
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  So they do very well and address more people playing in the park.
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  And when they play in the park, they found that there's a cafe,
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  they came here and buy something, our CFC get the benefits.
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  I think that's just sort of linkage.
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  One, there's linkage one by one to each other. So I think.
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  We can't live without anyone. So that's bonding.
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  If that's Stanford Park, it's just, oh, there's a road bridge and the playground
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  area, just no end of the operation. There's no one coming. We can't survive.
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  And I'm just thinking, with the hustle and bustle of Hong Kong,
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  the high rises, et cetera, I can imagine park space is very cherished by people.
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  It's a place where they can meet.
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  That's very much the role of the likes of Stanford Park. And we have a lot of
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  lovely parks in the area.
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  So is that something that you, you know, in Hong Kong is also a factor that
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  people like those communal spaces? It's totally opposite.
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  There's a, in Hong Kong, the working environment, working environment,
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  sometimes I can say are toxic.
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  Because you know some people, you know that Hong Kong, you can say Hong Kong
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  is like London, high speed, high rhythm, just work, work, work.
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  I try to, in Hong Kong, I work every day on July, Monday to Sunday,
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  yeah, to July, because I'm very busy.
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  Yes, and after work, I need to handle many things. So you can say that maybe 24-7 work is quite hard.
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  You can't stop. Even though you walk on the street, you can see everyone just
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  locked down on the ground. No smiling.
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  Yes. I think that's a city. That's time and money.
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  But now here in Manchester, especially the little town, we can see the face,
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  the people of the face keep smiling.
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  And you will say in the morning when you walk in the park, you say,
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  hi, good morning. It never happened in Hong Kong.
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  Yes, when you say, when you say hello to someone and the,
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  that people would say, what's going on? Really? Yes, yes.
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  So you find here the environment and the society a lot more friendly.
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  Yeah, sure, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Here it's more friendly.
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  So you can't even know when just walk around the park and one letter of people
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  just joking in the park and we are high contact and say, hi, good morning.
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  You're never helping in Hong Kong. And people don't sometimes understand how
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  valuable that is, and they take it for granted. But that little hello to somebody
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  can be the difference in their day sometimes, can't it?
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  Yeah, yes, I know. But it seems, I think, the Hong Kong people really protect by themselves.
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  So it seems something, some strange people say hello to them.
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  They think, oh, what happened? You want to take something to me?
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  Take something for me? So we try to put it, I know.
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  But here, I think it's the thing, the people here is quite, I think it's simple or natural.
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  No more concern about, I just feel they put their heart to the other one.
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  So they, that's one of the most things of fun.
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  That's things when we get on the bus, we say hello to the driver.
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  And when we get off the bus and we say thank you.
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  But that's never happened in Hong Kong, just when you get out of the beat and,
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  go on, and when we arrive, just go out.
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  Yeah, that atmosphere or vibe is quite different between the...
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  Hong kong and uk gavin let's talk about the cafe yes okay,
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  i mean clearly there is a very strong food culture in hong kong and a certain
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  type of cuisine etc then you come to britain and as much as we are very multicultural
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  there's also some very specific british foods,
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  what was your first impression when you came i came into the cafe actually and
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  you it was the cakes and the coffee and stuff like that.
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  And what have you, have you introduced anything, a little bit of Hong Kong into what you do?
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  For the food culture, at the first beginning, you know, UK is an island.
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  It's a very, very big island.
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  And I think the UK should be similar to Japan. There's more, many, many seafood.
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  But when I come, yeah, I have many, many seafood.
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  In fact, No seafood Seafood just means king plum Squid Mousseau That's.
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  It Yes So for an island You were shocked That we don't actually have A more,
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  bigger range of Interest in seafood Yeah, yeah, sure,
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  Yeah, that's quite Quite shocked Because before I worked here I worked in a
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  Chinese restaurant And that's quite Shocked for me there's people,
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  local people eating Chinese food that sometimes are…,
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  It's so very interesting that.
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  The private Chinese restaurant manager gave the menu to me, and I see that kind of food menu.
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  I can't find anything in Asia. Yeah, that's interesting. So here,
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  local people, maybe just the most items, sweet and sour chicken, Singapore, I like it.
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  Chai meal? Yeah, chicken fried rice, chicken chow mein, palm toast.
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  Every table, all the foods are almost similar. Same thing with crispy duck.
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  I think crispy duck is maybe just from the Peking duck from China.
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  The presentation is completely different. yeah so I know there's a Chinese.
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  They train so many try to make the local people want to eat them I know that
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  but sometimes that's quite interesting,
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  also one thing question is there's chips they're always with curry sauce yeah,
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  curry sauce and I think it's okay chips with curry sauce yes but the other colleague said that,
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  oh Kevin you think that For us, we also,
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  the curry sauce with potato or whether to get that. That's the same thing.
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  But now local just separate the two things.
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  I have a confession to make because when I was growing up in Northern Ireland,
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  one of my treats in the week at school
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  was to go down to the local Chinese restaurant that they'd take away.
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  And they did a thing which was half rice, half chips and curry sauce.
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  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right?
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  And it was actually, The curry sauce was very flavorsome And there was lots
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  of carbs And it was about a pound,
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  But it couldn't be further away From proper Oriental Chinese or Asian cooking
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  But you're a bit shocked At,
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  the fascination of curry chips and curry rice Yes,
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  there's a question I'm not sure local people have two different insights there's
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  one standard for Chinese food and there's another standard.
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  For any food except Chinese food.
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  Yes. Yeah, the two different standards. Yeah, I'm not sure.
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  Yes, maybe we have a great Indian food, great Italian food, great Spanish,
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  great, great. But sometimes,
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  but why does only Chinese things.
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  Other special standards. So I'm just thinking about it. It's very interesting.
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  But the thing is now time trains as more Hong Kong people come here.
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  Many of them own their business. Now you can see not only here,
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  maybe in Manchester, different area in Manchester, you can see a lot of Hong
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  Kong style restaurants.
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  Cha Chan Chan, the tea restaurant. you can taste very local Hong Kong food.
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  I'm also trying to introduce something to Hong Kong-style sandwich to our colleagues.
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  So what's a Hong Kong-style sandwich then?
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  Yes, one thing, they have a toast sandwich with a ham and scrambled egg.
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  Yeah, mixed together, that's nice. Also, they have some, yeah,
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  maybe a toast sandwich, corn egg with cornbread.
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  Yeah, that's quite typical dishes. Yeah, that's quite a typical dish in a tea
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  restaurant in Hong Kong.
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  Yes, many things more. I also would buy some dim sum from Chinese restaurant
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  to let them taste it. It's really nice.
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  So you've been introducing these different things into the menu here at Coffee in the Park?
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  I'm trying, but I know at any times, maybe try to run by one. Maybe seasonal.
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  Know, maybe this month, maybe this few months, I try to launch maybe that toast
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  sandwich, and the other few months, different kind of things, right?
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  Some is okay, but some is a Lundfork customer order. You say,
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  oh, what is this? I don't know what, I don't know what. But I'm trying before. It's a jacket potato.
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  I try to make it with curry sauce, curry chicken. Yeah, I think that's okay.
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  Many people like that. Yeah, try to do different kind of presentation rather
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  than chips and curry sauce.
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  I'm very glad to hear. It's Rob Maxwell and Radio Alty on the Late Late Lunch Show.
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  And today I'm out and about. I'm down in Sanford Park at the building,
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  which is the family council, the CFC, isn't it? The Counselling and Family Centre.
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  And I'm speaking with Kelvin Lowe, who is the manager of the cafe here called Cafe in the Park.
• 28:00
  It's just interesting, the take on food, and you've been introducing things.
• 28:04
  But you've had to adjust the menu a little bit for that.
• 28:08
  Tell me, events that you run or events that are run here and how does the cafe
• 28:13
  get involved in, whether it be Halloween or whether it be Christmas,
• 28:16
  do you do things around those times?
• 28:18
  Yes, during the Halloween, because we're opening for the daytime,
• 28:23
  I think Halloween is mainly at light. We are not related to them,
• 28:28
  but we also don't have so fancy decorations.
• 28:32
  We just saw the pumpkin, spider, witch in different areas in the park.
• 28:39
  And also we already have pumpkin baskets, put chocolate and candy,
• 28:46
  let kids take one, that's for free.
• 28:51
  Every time after school, kids come here. Oh, that's free. They are very happy.
• 28:57
  Not only the kids, but also adults are happy. Can I take one? Yes, okay.
• 29:01
  That's really nice. They are happy. I'm happy. That's okay. Also Christmas.
• 29:07
  Before that, we have some, me and the counselor center, maybe we do some raffles
• 29:16
  for the Christmas hamper.
• 29:19
  I don't know what happened this year, but last few years, I really say thank
• 29:23
  you. Different kind of customer, they buy the ticket for the hamper.
• 29:29
  Maybe I will do, I'm not sure we communicate with the staff.
• 29:33
  I hope maybe we can do the raffle for the hamper.
• 29:38
  Maybe I will discuss to them later. And I guess, do you celebrate Chinese New Year? Yes, yes, yes.
• 29:44
  I will celebrate with the Chinese New Year from the early February.
• 29:51
  Yes. For me, I'm writing Chinese cryptography.
• 29:56
  I will write the web banner. Yes. I'm writing some very lucky words.
• 30:04
  It may be literally translated, but stay healthy, stay wealthy.
• 30:08
  We'll study something like that. Also, the past few years, the Manchester Hong
• 30:14
  Kong community, they will make the Chinese new year market in the city center.
• 30:22
  So I already joined them to do some volunteer work.
• 30:28
  Almost three years already. Very good.
• 30:32
  Yeah, yeah. Very good. So if you're in the area, if you're in Stamford Park
• 30:35
  and you fancy a coffee, come down to the bottom corner by the Play Park where the Kids Park is.
• 30:40
  You see the building, which is the counselling centre, and in there is a cafe
• 30:46
  in the park. And I've got to say, the food is wonderful, the coffee is lovely,
• 30:49
  and you'll always get a lovely welcome as well. Kelvin, thank you very much for your time. Yes.