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  Speaker 1: You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KF I
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  Speaker 1: am six forty, Sir, I'm in the move for food.
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the mo KFI am six forty Bill Handle,
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  Speaker 1: and it is now time for Foody Friday with Neil Savader.
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  Speaker 1: And Neil's heard tomorrow two to five o'clock in the
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  Speaker 1: afternoon with the Fork Report, his Foodie show. Because Neil,
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  Speaker 1: as you know if you've been listening to this show,
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  Speaker 1: is mister foodie and is one of the better cooks
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  Speaker 1: that I know. All right, So Neil shuck. So a
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  Speaker 1: couple of stories that are trending right now. The President
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  Speaker 1: is threatening economic pressure on Iran to open up serious
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  Speaker 1: negotiations over the Strait of Horror moves and so you
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  Speaker 1: can kiss goodbye the war. All that talk about we're
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  Speaker 1: going to bomb them into oblivion, We're going to decimate
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  Speaker 1: everything about them, none of that is true. It was
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  Speaker 1: all lip service. Now he could not politically, no way
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  Speaker 1: is he going to be able to sustain or even
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  Speaker 1: allow a physical war conflict. And so that's done. Now
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  Speaker 1: it's economic sanctions, and we'll see what happens. I think
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  Speaker 1: Iran's going to just suck it up and they're going
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  Speaker 1: to last longer than the United States. Is that's where
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  Speaker 1: they're going. Okay, now it is time for Foody Friday
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  Speaker 1: with Neil. Neil, let's start with a dot fruit fruit salad.
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  Speaker 1: What in God's name is a dot fruit?
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  Speaker 2: So I've been doing the Forek Report for sixteen years
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  Speaker 2: whatever it is, and I will tell you it humors me,
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  Speaker 2: especially with the advent of social media, how everything all
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  Speaker 2: is new again, like every generation thinks they've designed something.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm reading about different trends and virality of certain dishes,
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  Speaker 2: and one that pops up is dots are real big
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  Speaker 2: this year, actually in desserts and all kinds of things.
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  Speaker 1: But that's like the ice cream dots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well there actually is little cakes they're doing. Imagine
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  Speaker 2: just like a little cupcake, but they're pushing them into
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  Speaker 2: the little candy dots and covering the top of the
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  Speaker 2: frosting has become really popular. Other things like that. But
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  Speaker 2: this viral dot fruit salad cracks me up because growing
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  Speaker 2: up in the seventies and the eighties, every mom had
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  Speaker 2: in the drawer a melon baller and it had two sizes.
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  Speaker 2: It had the larger melon ball cup and then the
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  Speaker 2: smaller one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to know a gal who never mind
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  Speaker 1: was a melon ball mellon baller joke. Yeah, okay, every
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  Speaker 1: everybody has a melon baller at home, as I do,
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  Speaker 1: which I never use.
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  Speaker 2: But they have the two sides, right, you have the
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  Speaker 2: bigger ball, then you have the smaller ball, right. So
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  Speaker 2: the dot fruit salad really is just younger people finding
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  Speaker 2: out that you can not only use the melon baller
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  Speaker 2: for melon, but you can use it for other fruits
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  Speaker 2: as well. So it's basically a melon ball salad, okay
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  Speaker 2: that they're bringing around this fruit salad, but they're using
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  Speaker 2: they're using the small end of the melon baller to
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  Speaker 2: cut into melons and other fruits as well. And it
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  Speaker 2: looks slightly different because they're smaller, but you know, and
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  Speaker 2: they use some mangoes, apricots, peaches, keynes, looks.
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  Speaker 1: So it looks pretty nice.
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  Speaker 2: It looks pretty okay, just a melon ball salad. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: so that's what we invented.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me throw something at you, because this is
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  Speaker 1: something I've always wondered. Making a fruit salad at home.
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  Speaker 1: You take fruit and just cut it up and it
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  Speaker 1: only takes a few minutes. Strawberries Yeah, going to the
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  Speaker 1: store and buying a prepared fruit salad in those plastic
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  Speaker 1: containers is hideously expensive. I mean, I think it's way overpriced.
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  Speaker 1: And at home you can make it for it's It's
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  Speaker 1: not like making a major meal where you know you're
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  Speaker 1: buying something at the store that would take you forever
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  Speaker 1: to make at home. This is a nothing And.
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  Speaker 2: Well do you want to melon ball a whole bunch
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  Speaker 2: of little fruits? And oh you do know what the
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  Speaker 2: melon ballid? I mean just cut up fruits? How long
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  Speaker 2: does that do?
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  Speaker 1: Not?
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  Speaker 3: What makes it viral? Man?
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  Speaker 1: That was? I get it, but I just want okay,
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  Speaker 1: I switched. Okay, got it, I got that. Understand that.
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  Speaker 1: But the switching over tangentially into the how expensive fruit
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  Speaker 1: salad is in the market prepared versus doing it at home,
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  Speaker 1: it seems to make no sense.
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  Speaker 3: When did you start going on tangents? Is that new?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Brand new? Never have done that before.
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  Speaker 2: So some people actually put some condensed milk in there,
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  Speaker 2: or maybe a gave syrup or different things like that.
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  Speaker 2: That might be a little more new, But the whole
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  Speaker 2: salad itself is just melanball that we grew up with.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me throw this one at you. And that
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  Speaker 1: is I And this is you know, my God, doing
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  Speaker 1: actually something by myself. Not only do I cut up fruit,
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  Speaker 1: but I put yogurt, vanilla flavored yogurt in it. And
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  Speaker 1: it is spectacular.
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  Speaker 3: Well that actually sounds pretty tasty.
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  Speaker 1: It is. It's very good. I don't know if you've
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  Speaker 1: ever tried it, but you mix that up. It's like
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  Speaker 1: you know, putting in mayonnaise in tuna salad. When you
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  Speaker 1: make that, it's really good with yogurt. Wow, that I
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  Speaker 1: actually share something with you that you don't know and
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  Speaker 1: haven't heard of and have not done.
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  Speaker 2: That's like a fancy ambrosia. Yeah, it's an ambrosia. You
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  Speaker 2: remember that from the seventies?
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  Speaker 1: I do? I do? I remember? I remember jello with
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  Speaker 1: nuts and cottage cheese at the bottom. Remember that in
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  Speaker 1: the mold?
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  Speaker 3: What about the jello with the grated orange carrots at
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  Speaker 3: the bottom.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, also very fat? I love that. Very fifties and
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  Speaker 1: just wonderful.
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  Speaker 2: You go to the magazines, the women's magazines back in
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  Speaker 2: the day, Women's Day or whatever, and the recipes, how
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  Speaker 2: good housekeeping, the recipes from the seventies and above, sixties, fifties,
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  Speaker 2: were absolutely horrid.
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  Speaker 1: I like that. See, I love that stuff. What can
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  Speaker 1: I tell you?
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  Speaker 3: That's my ballads?
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, hot dog salad is okay? That one? I'll okay, looks.
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  Speaker 3: That's how good?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure, Amy, Okay, Neil, we're back and something
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  Speaker 1: that you know you're right as I think about it,
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  Speaker 1: twenty four hour diners just fading away. There, they're going away.
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  Speaker 1: I used to go to so many. Dennis was twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours. Maybe they still are. Norms was twenty four hours. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Norms it basically is out of business. There are very
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  Speaker 1: few because they used to call they called them mistake
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  Speaker 1: and eggs. It was actually liver and eggs. So what's
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  Speaker 1: going on? Sorry?
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  Speaker 2: Norms is the only restaurant I know of that actually
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  Speaker 2: grew during the pandemic. What are you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: Huh, Well, maybe they just left my area and put
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  Speaker 1: up more. So let's talk about how they've gone away,
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  Speaker 1: because there were a lot of us. I remember when
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  Speaker 1: I was practicing law. I mean I'd be working till
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  Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning and then let's get something
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  Speaker 1: to eat kind of thing. It was easy. Well not
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  Speaker 1: during that time. I mean there was there were times
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  Speaker 1: when I was not on coke. But it's you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were there, they were great, and they're not great
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  Speaker 1: anymore because they're for the most part not there.
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  Speaker 2: What's happening, well, you know, COVID actually was a big
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  Speaker 2: part of it, but also people's patterns are changing. The
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  Speaker 2: late nights used to be more and more important. Obviously
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  Speaker 2: you have the GLP ones now and people are eating differently,
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  Speaker 2: but people aren't spending their money as casually as they
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  Speaker 2: used to. And it used to be that used to
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  Speaker 2: you know, back in the punk rock days. That was
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  Speaker 2: you went to a Denny's or a twenty four where
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  Speaker 2: there's rock and roll Denny's in Hollywood. There's all these
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  Speaker 2: places that you would hang out, and that seems to
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  Speaker 2: be dipping, especially in places like California, where some places
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  Speaker 2: in Utah and the like are still doing quite well
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  Speaker 2: as people are getting more interested. But in twenty twenty five,
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  Speaker 2: Rather showed that twenty four seven restaurants are experienced this
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  Speaker 2: kind of upheaval nationwide. The number of restaurants offering twenty
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  Speaker 2: four hour service in the US fell eleven percent between
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  Speaker 2: January of twenty twenty and January twenty twenty five. In
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles twenty nine percent. So knocking on the door
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  Speaker 2: of a third of all night restaurants closed.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and that's more I guess than other types of restaurants.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, actually the percentage there were well, the
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  Speaker 2: percentage of actual shutters probably is over thirty percent. But
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  Speaker 2: when you see that that, you know, Las Vegas had
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  Speaker 2: nine percent disappear, and Las Vegas is twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 2: I mean that whole city doesn't sleep. Just shows that
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  Speaker 2: this I don't know, the charm, the root sixty six mentality,
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  Speaker 2: that thought of coming across a greasy spoon I love.
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  Speaker 2: I love the thought of just pulling up to a diner,
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  Speaker 2: a twenty four to seven diner, and just being able
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  Speaker 2: to sit down and have breakfast any time, or.
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  Speaker 1: Just diners in generally, diners in general, even those that
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  Speaker 1: don't are not open twenty four to seven, they're open
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  Speaker 1: normal restaurant hours. Those have disappeared. I mean, I love
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  Speaker 1: going to your diner exactly as you say, the twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hour greasy spoon diner with the booths and the
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  Speaker 1: coffee with those huge heavy mugs. I mean, that was
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  Speaker 1: magic and I can't find one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's I mean there's.
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  Speaker 2: People that you expect, I mean truckers would use them,
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  Speaker 2: first responders, nursing teams, medical teams that you know, get
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  Speaker 2: off at weird hours to have a place to go.
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  Speaker 2: There's the people that you expect there, and then there's
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe a drifter or somebody coming through town.
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  Speaker 2: There's foodies and things like that that love experiencing those things.
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  Speaker 2: But it's one of those I don't know. I was
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  Speaker 2: bummed when the drive ins went away as well.
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  Speaker 1: And now, oh yeah those yeah, those were so good.
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  Speaker 1: Bob's Big ways to go to Bob's all the time
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  Speaker 1: on Fan Eyes Boulevard and when I was a kid,
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  Speaker 1: well when I was a teenager.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, we're just a couple of those left.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember the ones on I never experienced the
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  Speaker 1: ones on where the waitress people were on roller skates.
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  Speaker 2: They did that during COVID. During COVID, Burdbank brought back
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  Speaker 2: the car hops on roller skates. So we would take
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  Speaker 2: Max there and you would pull up and they'd come
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  Speaker 2: to serve you again at the one.
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  Speaker 3: It was a really neat experience.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is too bad that those aren't around them,
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  Speaker 1: or they used to be hundreds of those thousands of those. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of handle history and one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that I've always Actually we talked about this the
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  Speaker 1: other day, about the story of first ladies. We talk
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  Speaker 1: about presidents all the time, but we really don't go
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  Speaker 1: into first ladies other than we're talking a lot about
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  Speaker 1: Milania Trump, who doesn't do a whole lot except buy clothes.
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  Speaker 1: Then there was Michelle Obama who was very actively involved
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  Speaker 1: in what was going on throughout the United State, the
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  Speaker 1: United States Roslind Carter for example, man was she involved?
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  Speaker 1: She sat in on cabinet meetings which had never been
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  Speaker 1: done before. So I think one of the most interesting
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  Speaker 1: ones Mary Todd Lincoln, as Neil pointed out, her reputation
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  Speaker 1: basically is out she was nuts. That's it, just crazy. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she was a lot more than that, not to say
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't crazy, and by the way, it could be
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't crazy at all. I mean, she was in
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  Speaker 1: an insane asylum, but there may be reasons for that
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  Speaker 1: which had nothing to do with her being crazy. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: who is she? Who was she? Well, she was born
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  Speaker 1: in Lexington and she was highly educated at a time
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  Speaker 1: when women were not highly educated. She was absolutely fluent
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  Speaker 1: in French, which very few people know about. She took
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  Speaker 1: geography lessons and also history. I mean she was well educated.
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  Speaker 1: And keep in mind Abraham Lincoln was not educated at all,
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  Speaker 1: at least not formally. He was self educated in an attorney. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he became an attorney. But those days, you don't go
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  Speaker 1: to law school. There was no such thing as law school.
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  Speaker 1: What you did is apprentice to a lawyer for a
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  Speaker 1: number of years and the lawyer then certified you as
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  Speaker 1: a practicing quote licensed lawyer. That's what happened those days.
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  Speaker 1: Oh here's an offshoot. Sorry, you may were offshoot factoid
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  Speaker 1: you may not know about. You can still apprentice in
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  Speaker 1: California and not go to law school and take the bar.
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  Speaker 1: It is absolutely possible to do that. But if you
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  Speaker 1: look at the rules, it is ten times harder than
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  Speaker 1: going to law school because it is several years of
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  Speaker 1: apprenticeship and there has to be certifications all over the place.
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  Speaker 1: But it can be done. Okay. So here she is
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  Speaker 1: this highly highly educated woman and at age fourteen, she
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  Speaker 1: had dinner with Henry Clay, who was one of the
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  Speaker 1: great political figures at that time, and she told him
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  Speaker 1: straight out, I'm going to live in Washington, d c.
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  Speaker 1: One day. And before marrying Abraham Lincoln, which we know
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't know that she dated, she
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  Speaker 1: was courted by Stephen Douglas, the very man who ran
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  Speaker 1: against Abraham Lincoln in eighteen and eighteen sixty and who
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  Speaker 1: became a senator earlier on eighteen fifty six when he
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  Speaker 1: and Douglas ran against each other. Now here's another interesting
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  Speaker 1: fact about Mary Todd Lincoln. She came from a Southern family,
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  Speaker 1: although her father was hugely anti slavery. He was an
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  Speaker 1: abolitionist out of Kentucky. But at the same time he
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  Speaker 1: owned slaves. So an abolitionist who owned I think it
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  Speaker 1: was six or seven slaves, I mean, really weird. And
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  Speaker 1: during the Civil War, even though Mary Todd Lincoln was
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  Speaker 1: an avowed Northerner, I mean she was anti slavery, she
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  Speaker 1: was totally on the Union side, but her family, most
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  Speaker 1: of her family were in the Confederacy, and so she
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  Speaker 1: was attacked by both sides as being a trader, attacked
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  Speaker 1: by North in newspapers. That's where the attacks mainly came from.
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  Speaker 1: It's where the tacks all came from publicly, and because
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  Speaker 1: she had Southern slave owning family. She was there for
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  Speaker 1: a trader, even though there were never evidence that she
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  Speaker 1: was in favor of the South. The South looked at
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  Speaker 1: her as a trader. Why because she was married to
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  Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln, lived in Washington, DC, and she had spoken
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  Speaker 1: out publicly as anti slavery, so that was a problem
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  Speaker 1: for her. The other thing, and this is legitimate, is
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  Speaker 1: that she faced real public backlash for running up incredible
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  Speaker 1: massive debts, redecorating the White House and buying expensive clothing
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  Speaker 1: during the Civil War. For herself, I mean, she was
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  Speaker 1: basically a hoarder. She was an uncontrolled a shopper, much
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  Speaker 1: like people go on the internet today and they can't
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  Speaker 1: control themselves. That's what she was about. But massive spending
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  Speaker 1: and spent huge amounts of money to redecorate the White House,
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  Speaker 1: buying new cookware for example. We're buying new dishes and
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  Speaker 1: cutlery and spending well twenty thirty thousand dollars ago. And
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  Speaker 1: this was when a presidential salary was twenty five thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what Abraham Lincoln earned in those days, which
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  Speaker 1: is actually a very very good salary. To give you
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  Speaker 1: an idea, in terms of numbers, the equivalent today is
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  Speaker 1: over five hundred thousand dollars that the president earns or
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  Speaker 1: he did earn, and presidents make four hundred thousand dollars salaries.
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  Speaker 1: So Abraham Lincoln actually made more money than any other president.
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  Speaker 1: That's what presidents made in those days. She spent annual
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  Speaker 1: salaries over the course of months that she was spending
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  Speaker 1: on dresses and redecorating the White House. And I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: something new, and that is unknown bits of history or
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  Speaker 1: unknown stories of history. And based on what conversation we
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  Speaker 1: had on the air last week, First Ladies and sort
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  Speaker 1: of the untold story of First Ladies, and I thought
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  Speaker 1: one of the most interesting ones out there was Mary
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  Speaker 1: Todd Lincoln because her reputation is just being a lunatic,
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  Speaker 1: that's it, just a crazy woman. But she was far
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  Speaker 1: far more complicated than that, and what she went through
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  Speaker 1: was just devastating and heart wrenching. And as I told you,
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  Speaker 1: she was very highly educated. She also was her family
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  Speaker 1: was Southerner, even though she was a Northerner, and her
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  Speaker 1: family had slaves, and so the South named her a trader.
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  Speaker 1: The North dreamed or a trader because of her connections,
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  Speaker 1: even though she was anti slavery, abolitionist and very pro North. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so that is the background, so let's talk about why
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  Speaker 1: she was and who she was. Also, the reason she
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  Speaker 1: married Abraham Lincoln is because she had ambitions, big ambitions
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  Speaker 1: and knew Abraham Lincoln was going to be something very
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  Speaker 1: big even before he did. So. Out of her four
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  Speaker 1: sons with Abraham Lincoln, three died before reaching adulthood. Add
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  Speaker 1: to that, she was there when Abraham Lincoln was assassinated.
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  Speaker 1: Her husband was shot in the head right next to
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  Speaker 1: her at Ford's Theater, and she at that point, the
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  Speaker 1: way she reacted was well, she became hysterical, as you
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  Speaker 1: would think, and as Lincoln was across the street at
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  Speaker 1: the Peterson House, the boarding house, she was in and
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  Speaker 1: out of the room and hysterical that Edwin Stanton, who
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  Speaker 1: was the Secretary of War, threw her out of the room,
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  Speaker 1: literally threw her out of the room. She was so hysterical,
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  Speaker 1: and she was not in the room when her husband
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  Speaker 1: died the next morning and so totally overwhelmed by grief.
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  Speaker 1: But the trauma and her erratic behavior starting at that point,
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  Speaker 1: her son, her survivor's son, Robert had her committed to
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  Speaker 1: a psychiatric court ordered care facility, and in those days
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  Speaker 1: you had to go to trial like today, you had
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  Speaker 1: to have a judge order someone to go into one
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  Speaker 1: of those facilities. It was a totally trumped up trial.
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  Speaker 1: It took the jury, all men, ten minutes to decide
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  Speaker 1: she was nuts, that's it, because the seventeen witnesses that
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  Speaker 1: were brought in and some of them just made the
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  Speaker 1: stuff up. So the erratic behavior, the compulsive shopping. Even
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  Speaker 1: after a ham Lincoln died, she had some money and
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  Speaker 1: she actually was going through it very quickly as a hoarder.
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  Speaker 1: She was buying stuff that she didn't need. She had
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  Speaker 1: clothes that she never wore. And then she had that
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  Speaker 1: ambush trial. So she was taken to Bellevue Hospital, which
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  Speaker 1: is still there by the way, and thinking that she's
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  Speaker 1: in just a little cell, she wasn't. She was actually
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  Speaker 1: given her own quarters, allowed freedom, a degree of freedom,
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  Speaker 1: even though she was a prisoner. By the way. Today,
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  Speaker 1: modern historians and psychologists believe she wasn't mad, but just
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  Speaker 1: had severe post traumatic stress disorder. No kidding with everything
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  Speaker 1: she went through, and she was able to successfully fight
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  Speaker 1: her imprisonment in the psychiatric hospital. She had a best
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  Speaker 1: friend who started a campaign with her to overturn her
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  Speaker 1: sentencing and bring in a new trial, and she was
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  Speaker 1: able to do it. She was able to pull that off,
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  Speaker 1: which was unheard of. Very smart lady. And then after
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  Speaker 1: she was released, she went to Germany. She lived in
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  Speaker 1: Germany for a period of time, She went to France
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  Speaker 1: for a period of time, moved ended up back in Springfield,
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  Speaker 1: and then, as you know, she obviously ended up dying,
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  Speaker 1: but she ended up dying with some money. She ended
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  Speaker 1: up dying even grief stricken after the assassination of her husband.
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  Speaker 1: All she wore was black clothing in mourning, even though
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  Speaker 1: she was buying other clothes. And she was attacked a
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  Speaker 1: lot because one of the things she did is not
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  Speaker 1: only spend a fortune on redoing the White House and
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  Speaker 1: buying clothes, she threw this massive banquet right in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the Civil War that she was attacked for vehemently.
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  Speaker 1: So a lady that's a lot more complicated, not just
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  Speaker 1: completely nuts, and may have not been at all. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of handle history I wanted to share
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  Speaker 1: with you. And that's it, guys. We're done tomorrow. Morning
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