Latest / Macroaggressions / #675: The Principle of Self-Ownership | James Corbett
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- 5:36well, it's a
- 5:38You know, it's always great to have James Corbett on and James in this episode references his 9-11 in five minutes
- 5:46I don't know if you haven't seen that video
- 5:49You should see it. Everybody should see it. It's really it's one of those
- 5:56You know one of the videos where you you you realize the the value of humor when done correctly
- 6:05and pulling facts in to paint a much different
- 6:10Version of the 9-11 story James did that better than anybody with with that video and beyond of course so
- 6:18Buckling for this one. It's a good one. Please
- 6:20Enjoy my conversation with the great James Corbett. Oh, it's good to have James Corbett back. How are you James? Good to see you
- 6:26I'm I'm doing all right. Charlie. Thanks for having me back
- 6:29you hot
- 6:31Yeah, it's that time of year, but I won't complain
- 6:35I'm not I vowed I wouldn't complain this year because actually we had a relatively mild June
- 6:41Which is a lot better than the last year when it was absolutely
- 6:45Swelteringly hot here by by June. So I'm not gonna complain this year. It's just a regular Japanese summer. It's ungodly
- 6:52It's not fit for humans, but I'll get through it, right? Well, you could be back in your
- 6:59home country of Canada where everything is on fire and you could have an added benefit of toxic smoke
- 7:06Yeah
- 7:07trade-offs here
- 7:09It's just you got a direct dodge of a the typhoons and the earthquakes
- 7:12But but I'm okay and thank you to everyone who has emailed me recently to ask if I died in that tragic earthquake recently
- 7:19No, no, I did not die. So
- 7:23So we'll see
- 7:25I was speaking with Ernie for a couple hours as you do with Ernie and and he and I were he was
- 7:33we got into a little bit about the project you guys had been working on Libertas earth and
- 7:39You know
- 7:41It's a good reminder that sometimes
- 7:45we over complicate things and
- 7:47This really took it down to some real base level a sort of video a seven and a half minute
- 7:54video that
- 7:56Anybody could watch and quite literally anybody could watch it. I think you guys have it in in a couple
- 8:0250 different languages couple languages. I'm pretty sure aren't real maybe Ernie
- 8:08But whatever but you can if you choose to watch this
- 8:16Video in Swahili, I suppose if if that's what you're into but but what what is the genesis of this?
- 8:22How'd you guys start? I mean was this born out of
- 8:27Frustration trying to reach people and you took it back down to basics or how did this all come about?
- 8:33Good question and before we even get into this
- 8:36I will just stress to people out there that if you're going to listen to this
- 8:39Conversation about this video and you haven't watched the video. What are you doing? Watch the video?
- 8:45It is eight minutes of your time absolute worst-case scenario. You think you think I don't care
- 8:51Or that was boring or I didn't I didn't get it whatever you wasted eight minutes of your time
- 8:55But best-case scenario you have a life-changing moment
- 9:00Which is what happened to me when I watched this video for the first time. I'm gonna say 20 years ago
- 9:05I don't know exactly the date on which I first watched this video
- 9:08But it was some time presumably in late 2006
- 9:11When I was going down the rabbit hole that started me along this path towards creating the corporate report
- 9:17Which of course as people know I did in June of 2007
- 9:21so I was in late 2006 that I started encountering all this crazy information on the internet that I'd never seen before hey
- 9:28I never learned that in school and
- 9:31Part of that some part of that was viewing this video
- 9:36Which was a very much a penny drop moment for me at that time and I've explained this before I'll explain it again
- 9:43I think one of the first things that hooked me in was that I was I was a philosophy minor back in
- 9:49University so I I like philosophy
- 9:51I read it I dabble in it and the thing that hooked me about this video was that right away
- 9:55I was like oh, there's there's some actual thought that's gone into this and the thing that I thought that kind of tickled my
- 10:01My fancy was the idea that is presented very early on in this video again
- 10:07It's just text and music no narration or anything so it's it's very simple very like stick figure kind of animation
- 10:15It's very very simple but very effective one of the points that it makes right up at the front is to connect
- 10:21John Locke's famous proposition about life liberty and property which as we know got transmuted into life liberty and the pursuit of happiness
- 10:28In the Declaration of Independence, but originally in Locke's formation
- 10:31it was life liberty and property these are the inviolable things that you own right and
- 10:36And this video converts that into a concept about your future your present and your past if someone takes your future
- 10:43They are taking your life because of course you can't do anything in the future if you're if they take your life if they take
- 10:49Your present they are taking your liberty
- 10:51So if they are putting you in a cage and combining you there so you can't do anything in the present
- 10:55That's taking your liberty if they are taking the things that you have done with your life and your liberty
- 11:00That is the property which you have justly acquired or created in your past
- 11:04They're taking your past right and just that that simple concept. Oh, yeah future present past life liberty property
- 11:10I get interesting and that immediately hooked me in and I was along for the ride and as people who go through this video
- 11:17We'll see it leads very
- 11:20inexorably from one very simple logical
- 11:22Conclusion to the next to the next to the next to the next until you start building up into something that
- 11:27Starts to starts to really amount to something politically revolutionary and substantial
- 11:32Which we can get into more later
- 11:34But the point is if you're asking about the genesis of this project in particular
- 11:39First of all, I will stress to people
- 11:40Libertas dot Earth is actually a URL. I know we're used to comms
- 11:45But dot Earth is an actual top-level domain as well
- 11:48So just type that into your browser Libertas dot Earth and you'll see this video front and center first thing you'll see and you'll be able
- 11:54To watch it you'll be able to watch the about this project if you click on that underneath the main video
- 11:59You'll get taken to another video, which is me and Ernest Hancock talking to the originator of this video Ken
- 12:07School and about the the video where it came from etc
- 12:10But as for me and Ernie and how this Libertas dot Earth project got together
- 12:15It's because I have I've referenced this video a several times in over the years in my conversations for people
- 12:22Who don't know I talked to Ernie on his Declare your independence radio show every other week
- 12:26So we've been talking for I don't know five six seven years now at this rate
- 12:29I don't know maybe more than that and
- 12:31From time to time I will reference this video and say yeah, that was such a formative video for me
- 12:36It was one of the first penny drop moments that set me on the path toward becoming an anarchist
- 12:41It took me a few years of
- 12:43Deprogramming to get me to all the way there
- 12:45But at any rate it started me thinking along the lines of liberty and what that means and why it's important etc
- 12:50And so we and he knew this video of course because he'd been active in spreading this video as part of his activism decades ago
- 12:58So so we were we bandied this about back and forth a little bit and then one day
- 13:03He sort of said well, you know if this is a video that was part of the you know the penny drop moment for James Corbett
- 13:09Why don't we spread this? Why don't we make something about this? This is obviously a powerful video
- 13:14It's obviously simple and effective and it makes its point
- 13:17Well, why don't we spread it is already at that time it was available in dozens of languages
- 13:21Why don't we just flesh out a website put it all in one place and get people's momentum and energy behind
- 13:27Promoting this this is something people can do about the the collapse of you know
- 13:33Civilization that we see going on around us and I said, you know good idea you make it happen and I will promote the hell out of it
- 13:39So here we are talking about it. Libertas. earth
- 13:42It's the simplest way that I can think of to put this idea in front of people again
- 13:48It's eight minutes of your time and so worst-case scenario
- 13:52You spend eight minutes and you don't you're not convinced but best-case scenario as I say it could change your life
- 13:57Yeah, it's a
- 14:00you know
- 14:02It's it's the sort of video you can show to people at every
- 14:07age level every
- 14:10Knowledge level, you know people who are just starting off people who've who are you know your normie friends who are a little bit
- 14:18hesitant
- 14:19to get into this this conspiracy theory of yours, but and it reminds me of
- 14:26What the
- 14:28The Bolsheviks did you know they keep the messaging simple right stand or you know the fist with like a very short slogan, right?
- 14:35So the messaging for this was extremely simple as you mentioned sort of stick figure almost
- 14:42animation and it it's a good reminder that you don't need all of the flashing
- 14:48animation and you don't need the
- 14:51The AI enhancements or anything if you've got the right message and it's simple it can connect with anybody was that sort of the
- 14:58The thought process behind this I keep it simple stupid and reach as many people as possible
- 15:03It certainly well it worked on me
- 15:06So I can only speak directly to that but I have the feeling that yes
- 15:10this is simple enough and as you say reaches pretty much every age level every knowledge every background and
- 15:15Specifically it was targeted at that idea because again
- 15:19So for people who don't know the background of this again
- 15:21You can click on about this project underneath the main video on
- 15:25Libertas. earth to get the the video where me and Ernie talked to Kent school and about this
- 15:30So Kent school and is now I believe a retired professor of economics at Hawaii Pacific University and back in the day
- 15:37I believe in the 1980s he was
- 15:39He contracted with the Libertarian Party of Hawaii to to produce a series of 90 second radio spots
- 15:47Just sort of explaining basic principles of liberty and to two people and this was obviously run on local radio
- 15:54They're in Hawaii and so he was kind of distilling some of these big concepts about liberty and why it's important
- 16:00Etc into short 90 seconds sort of sound bites and this became the basis for a book that he put together called
- 16:07Jonathan the Adventures of Jonathan gullible
- 16:10I can't remember the exact title but it was Jonathan gullible obviously playing on gulliver's travels and that sort of concept
- 16:16And it's about this person wandering around and and it's a series of short stories based on these 90 second radio spots of
- 16:23this person going around and discovering just basic principles about
- 16:27Liberty from Bastiat and and Rothbard and people like this and sort of condensed down into little
- 16:33set sound bite stories and so this
- 16:36This book was published in a number of places in a number of different languages and it was when Ken school and was
- 16:45Visiting Russia shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union. So shortly after the Cold War it ended and
- 16:53Westerners were visiting Russia etc. and he had a tour guide when he was there in I believe in Moscow and
- 17:00This tour guide ultimately ended up becoming some sort of like
- 17:04supermarket
- 17:05Entrepreneur Baron who's now a billionaire or something but at the time was literally just a tour guide showing tour of Western tourists around Moscow
- 17:12And he was really interested in what school and was doing in this book and what he was and it's like well
- 17:18Let's get this published in Russian. Come on. We can we can do this
- 17:21I think a Russian people need to hear this especially right now
- 17:25Having lived so long under the yoke of communist tyranny like let's introduce people to Liberty
- 17:30And so he's very excited about that
- 17:32But because these concepts were so foreign to people who had literally lived their entire lives under this communist regime and you know
- 17:40What's what is this Liberty thing that you're talking about?
- 17:43No, the government sorts everything out and tells us what to do and how to do it, right?
- 17:47And so he felt it needed some sort of preface some some sort of beginning
- 17:51That would just be the groundwork so that people could understand this book and so he tasked
- 17:56Ken school and with coming up with that and he came up with this which
- 18:00Essentially is the script that became this video and I don't remember the exact details of how this ultimately became a video
- 18:07It was originally this is the preface to the Russian edition of that go Jonathan gullible book
- 18:13and some at some point some activists who made these kind of flash animations back
- 18:18late 90s early 2000s put this together and
- 18:23From there it just sort of took off and I you know who knows in what way or in how exactly I ended up seeing it there in
- 18:322006 it had obviously whatever been posted around and and a number of different people had reposted it and it had already been
- 18:40Translated into a bunch of different languages and stuff
- 18:42But eventually it sort of just propagated it out into the into the internet sphere and here we are
- 18:48So again is an interesting origin and specifically it was
- 18:53Specifically designed to reach people who had never thought about these concepts before and I think that's why it was so short
- 19:00So simple so to the point
- 19:02Do you imagine being a Russian in the fall of the Soviet Union and having somebody try to explain to you
- 19:11The concept that you don't rent your life from the authorities
- 19:15Then that being a light bulb moment to somebody to say that you have that you know stop
- 19:23asking government officials to initiate
- 19:27Force on their behalf against people these these concepts that they if you stop and think about it you go
- 19:34Well, yeah, that's this is right
- 19:35I don't rent my lives from the authorities they'd like to they'd like me to feel as if as if I do and
- 19:42So part of this is getting people into the right mindset right that this freedom
- 19:48Well get him out of the slavery mindset for one is just a step in the right direction
- 19:53I don't know how quickly you get him into a freedom mindset, but at least the concept here is so appealing to everybody that
- 20:02Feels like you you could reach
- 20:06Well, I don't know um
- 20:08You're you're simply not limited by language, I suppose these these feel like concepts that that that apply
- 20:15Universally it's such an important point because yeah, if you call this like the the truth about
- 20:21Anarchy or something obviously that would put up put off a lot of people even the philosophy of liberty or edging into that
- 20:27Territory linguistic territory where people's defenses might start coming up
- 20:31But hopefully they will be disarmed by the stick figure flash animation
- 20:36Which is just pretty disarming overall, but you're right. This is the type of thing it should be I struggle
- 20:43Obviously I'm coming at it from my perspective
- 20:45But I struggle to think at what point in this video are people going to start saying no
- 20:49I don't agree with that because as I say it's all very simple propositions that lead from one to the next and it starts
- 20:56With the simplest proposition of all the philosophy of liberty is based on the principle of self ownership now
- 21:02I know some lefties do get their hackles up about that concept of self ownership own
- 21:08You can't own a human being can't own yourself does that mean you could sell yourself do you believe in slavery?
- 21:14Okay, well if we can get over that particular linguistic hurdle the concept is not difficult if you and if we were in the same room
- 21:22Charlie, I would just put my hand on your shoulder and I'd say who is in charge of this life
- 21:26Who gets to decide what happens to this person and you will say well I do it's my life
- 21:32Yes, there you go. The philosophy of liberty is based on the principle of self ownership and if we if we can understand that much
- 21:39Everything else starts to flow from there
- 21:42Everything that we do must be based on the principle of voluntary consent
- 21:45There is no magical authority that can be granted to any figure to do things that we cannot do and what can we do?
- 21:53Of course, we can defend ourselves and our lives and our liberty and our property from aggression by others
- 21:59Of course, we are allowed to do that and since we are allowed to do it
- 22:02We're allowed to delegate that to others
- 22:04So if I can't personally protect myself and my property I can of course delegate that out to other people and ask and and
- 22:11voluntarily
- 22:12Consentually contract with them to do that of course and if I wanted to even if I wanted to choose a leader
- 22:18Someone that I will you know I will bow to your authority if I wanted to choose to do that
- 22:23I could do that, but I can't impose that on anyone else
- 22:26I can't impose anything on anyone else and neither can any of my delegates make
- 22:31Anyone else do something against their will again very simple and very basic concepts
- 22:37But once you start to really think of where this ultimately leads. Oh, so taxation is theft and
- 22:44Conscription is kidnapping and potential murder
- 22:47You know if I if I end up dying in the army et cetera et cetera and you start to think about this
- 22:51And then you start to think well, what really is the place of government?
- 22:54How does it come into existence? Why does it have authority over me if I don't give my voluntary consent to it?
- 23:01Hmm, and once you start thinking along those lines again, but the best part about this video is it doesn't really
- 23:07Tell you you know the ultimate end part of all of this
- 23:10It just puts all of these propositions in place and then invites you to sort of think this through to the the logical conclusion
- 23:20Nobody has a greater right to your body than yourself and
- 23:25That that is something that sounds so
- 23:32Foundational and obvious, but yet there are people out there
- 23:38Who
- 23:40Willingly and gladly outsource this they they want somebody else to be in charge of them
- 23:46They they they don't either for a variety of reasons
- 23:49Maybe they don't feel confident in their ability to control themselves
- 23:52Maybe they they just assume other people are smarter or the government knows how to do it but this idea of
- 23:59Giving away your self ownership
- 24:02The ownership of yourself that had to have been programmed into us by the state that had to have been that that
- 24:09This seems so on such an unnatural concept to us that we why would we?
- 24:15Feel that we were born into slavery the idea that
- 24:19That that the government that somebody else has a greater right to our body than us
- 24:24The doctors Anthony Fauci the CDC whoever an insert whatever there
- 24:32This feels like it has been
- 24:34Put into our brains by the state
- 24:37Over the years and that we need to extract the first step to remove this
- 24:43From our this thinking from our brains first before we even enact any of these
- 24:49Improvements yeah, yeah, in fact, I would say there's been millennia of conditioning
- 24:54In in this vein and if you go back to of course the earliest civilizations that we know of and recorded human history at least
- 25:01Latest iteration there of we would look at you know ancient Egypt where literally the pharaoh was literally God on earth
- 25:09That is why you listen to him and that is why you do what he says
- 25:12He's literally God and or the Japanese emperor is literally a God so we descended from the gods
- 25:18So you have to do what they say and of course that worked as a method of control
- 25:24To get people out of the basic
- 25:27Natural concept of hey, I'm of my own person and I own my body in my life
- 25:31Into this well, I have to do it because God told me to
- 25:35Well that of course morphed and changed as
- 25:40civilization developed and by say the Middle Ages we had this concept of the divine right of kings and we had the
- 25:47You know the the wheel of fortune and the the class structure of the medieval society
- 25:52Etc everyone had their place in the big chain of nature
- 25:56Etc and so your your lot was determined by your birth and you are in this class
- 26:02and you have to listen to the people who are above you the lords and the kings above them etc and
- 26:07that again
- 26:08Cohered for hundreds of years until a material change in conditions was brought about by various technologies that enabled
- 26:16essentially they were for reformation the Enlightenment and
- 26:20Suddenly you have capitalism coming along to change those medieval peasant feudal relations
- 26:27And so there needs to be some new justification because the divine right of kings was getting a bit long long in the tooth and
- 26:35A lot of kings were losing their heads. So well, what's the basis of society now?
- 26:39And so you start finding different ways to justify it suddenly well, okay
- 26:44These wonderful republics are coming along and it's the people the people you are the government
- 26:49You see you get to elect your leaders and then you know, so in a sense, it's you governing yourself
- 26:56By someone else don't think about it too hard
- 26:59It's wonderful and it's your God-given right to be able to vote and cast your ballot et cetera et cetera all of the propaganda
- 27:05Conditioning that I'm sure Americans and certainly us Canadians got our entire lives and that a lot of people still believe and then on top of that
- 27:12You start to get scientific justifications for for leadership and in different classes of people essentially and
- 27:19Resudo scientific I should say through eugenics et cetera
- 27:22There are certain people with genes that are just naturally better than yours and they deserve the right to determine what happens to you and your kin
- 27:30Etc etc. So there there has been these these elaborate justifications for authority over
- 27:36thousands of years that have been
- 27:38indoctrinated into
- 27:40Generation after generation after generation from their birth to their death
- 27:44They hear nothing but this type of propaganda and conditioning
- 27:47So it's quite understandable why it takes a fair bit of deprogramming to get people to see the rather simple truth that know you own yourself and
- 27:55interestingly enough that
- 27:57Can be evoked as needed as is convenient for the state and its proxy
- 28:03So the the my body my choice argument, of course, we've all heard that right is my body my choice
- 28:09Except when it comes to oh, I don't know like vaccines in a pandemic then
- 28:13No, my body my choice and no no no no no and you know what? Let's give the devil is do let's let's play devil's advocate here
- 28:21okay, so if
- 28:24your
- 28:25Quam with that idea of my body my choice being instituted in something like forced vaccination is that well
- 28:32What you are doing by not getting vaccinated is your the super spreader who's killing people willy-nilly your
- 28:39initiating force against other people I
- 28:41Disagree with the scientific principles that are being argued there
- 28:44But I at least understand that as a moral argument because there is a question of when are you imposing force and imposing your will on other people?
- 28:52through your liberty actions because of course we are confined our liberty ends at the point at which we are imposing force against the will of
- 29:00Non-consenting people and that is going to be a sticky situation again
- 29:05I will argue the scientific validity of oh well. I didn't get vaccinated. So I'm I'm killing people with my actions
- 29:12No, I don't believe so but
- 29:14But the principle that if you are
- 29:17Violating other people's liberty with your actions then yes that that would be
- 29:21Defensible against in the philosophy of liberty. So there is going to be adjudication
- 29:26I'm not saying no one is saying that this is some sort of nirvana of utopian fantasy land where there will be no disputes
- 29:32And everything will be clear-cut. No, there has to be adjudication of various disputes
- 29:38But the question again is who is the authority and who gets to decide at the end of the day what ultimately happens?
- 29:44And if it can be done without
- 29:47Consent then it is not being done morally and I think that's the point
- 29:52This is a moral philosophy at the end of the day
- 29:54It is not a prescriptive philosophy that's telling you how to live your life quite the opposite
- 29:59It's telling you there I'm not gonna give you the plan for how to live your life
- 30:03You're going to figure that out yourself and you're gonna make mistakes and do bad things along the way and you will suffer the consequences of those mistakes
- 30:10Such as liberty
- 30:13It's funny that people put labels on themselves, you know, they're the religious labels or their political labels and things like this
- 30:19They never admit or recognize that they're also status
- 30:23You know, they never think about that as as an additional label that they've put on themselves this
- 30:31In part because it's so normalized
- 30:34They don't they probably don't feel as if they've ever had a choice to be anything other than status
- 30:39They were born into this system, but boy that to me seems like such a huge hurdle when dealing with new people
- 30:47people that just have this
- 30:50Invisible barrier, they just they almost can't comprehend a system that they've never
- 30:57Lived in right? They I mean I can own sort sort of understand it in some respects that it's hard to envision a system that you've never seen but
- 31:05The idea that we don't have to live our lives under the state
- 31:12Is that is that where how do you start with people?
- 31:15I mean, how do you what's the conversation that you have with people that are status that don't even know it yet?
- 31:21And and have to have that you have to have a hand on the shoulder and say hey, you know listen like we have to have a talk
- 31:26You you might be suffering from state ism
- 31:29Yeah, you're right. That's this treatment is right for you. Yeah, exactly. We need some kind of PSA. Are you suffering from statism?
- 31:37Maybe that would be effective on some people but probably not the unconvert not many of the unconverted
- 31:42But no, it's a good point because it is the it's the it's the fish in the water. What's water?
- 31:48I don't know. What are you talking about? Right? Yeah, it's what state ism. What are you talking about?
- 31:53And I guess one of the ways that I've attempted to broach this conversation is in my book reportage
- 31:59I have an essay specifically on up-down politics and it starts with the conceit of imagining ants living on a loop of string and
- 32:09It's an elaborate and you know an allergy is a fable essentially
- 32:12But it's about the the ants deciding to to break apart and some are gonna go to the left and some are gonna go to the right
- 32:18Because they they can't live with each other anymore. They disagree to fundamentally so they head off in their separate directions
- 32:23But they don't know because they're basically two-dimensional kind of beings. They're basically one-dimensional kind of beings
- 32:28They don't know they're living on a loop of string
- 32:30So they're heading on the left and the other people are heading on the right and eventually they're gonna meet up
- 32:35With each other again. What what is going on? It's because they do not understand. There is that second dimension
- 32:40they only see the first the one dimension that they're traveling in and I would say similarly we have been
- 32:47Programmed to believe that the politics and the political universe that we find ourselves in is a straight line
- 32:53It's called the left-right spectrum and you are on the left or you were on the right or maybe you're somewhere in the
- 32:58Middle but that's it and that is the entire political universe and the point of the up-down politics essay is to say
- 33:04No, there's another political dimension and you can situate yourself either towards authoritarianism and statism or you can
- 33:12Situate yourself more towards libertarianism and freedom and which which of those axes are you on and
- 33:19Then it starts to make sense of things that otherwise would be inexplicable
- 33:23You vote for the party of the left or the party of the right
- 33:26You still continue to get more war more corporate handouts and banker bailouts, etc
- 33:33All of these agenda core agenda items continue to be the same no matter which which were the two political parties you vote for
- 33:40I mean what is going on here?
- 33:42Oh, there's another dimension to politics and all of those people on the status in the status system are in the up-dimension
- 33:49They're the authoritarians that want more power and oh, there's another dimension
- 33:53And in fact that seems to correspond to what we think we're voting for every time people are voting for less war and less
- 34:00You know banker bailouts and less of government intervention in their lives, etc
- 34:05But they never get it because they don't realize oh, that's that's a completely different dimension of politics
- 34:10So I I've attempted to explain that a few times
- 34:13I think I did have some success
- 34:15With that essay in particular because I've heard some good feedback about that
- 34:18But it is a difficult question to broach and that's why I'm appreciative of the fact that this philosophy of Liberty
- 34:24Video does not talk about left or right at all
- 34:26I think different people from different political perspectives will bring their own baggage to it and certain words like self-wownership
- 34:33Or whatever might have different resonance for different people, etc
- 34:35But generally speaking this isn't about left to right. This is about just basic moral philosophy
- 34:41What do you genuinely believe at the bottom is morally permissible or impermissible and building from there?
- 34:48And it has nothing to do
- 34:49Ultimately about left to right as the video says again
- 34:52You can you can choose a leader if you want and you can choose to give yourself over to a leader
- 34:57So if you you know if you want to vote for this or that party or whatever, that's completely your decision
- 35:02but that
- 35:04Decision is not is not transient that does not pass on to other people
- 35:09You cannot enforce your will or your political party or your political leanings or whatever it is on anyone else against their consent
- 35:16And I think again, that's it's a wonderfully subversive idea of undermining this left-right
- 35:23Idea that has come to encapsulate people's understanding of the political universe. This has nothing to do with that
- 35:29It's about the fundamental moral philosophy, which fundamentally is not left right. It's up down
- 35:35Yeah, but what if I'm right and they're wrong? Can I make them do it then?
- 35:39Yeah
- 35:41That's kind of the the direction everyone goes. Yes. Yes. Yes James. I hear you but
- 35:47Sometimes you're just right and sometimes they're just wrong then what do we do right? So this is you know
- 35:53This is why the kind of the worst and the worst habit of the worst
- 35:57Idea that people have been I think trained into is to see the other side
- 36:02Not as wrong but as evil
- 36:05That it's not just that you are you're making a mistake or or I don't agree with your decisions or those decisions that you're making wouldn't work for me
- 36:13No, it's that you are actively malicious and evil and therefore must be stopped
- 36:18And how do we stop you from that horrible liberty that you're using to do things that I don't like?
- 36:23Well, there has to be some bigger third-party that'll come along and take care of you
- 36:27Oh, how about a state?
- 36:28I mean that is sort of the ultimate impetus of trying to inflict your will on other people against their consent
- 36:34That's tough though James. That is tough for people inherently to stop doing. There's the Karen meme of the world
- 36:40right that person wants to insert themselves into a situation where they don't belong and in in referee and
- 36:47and make a decision and they and and to try to explain to them that you actually have to go the opposite direction in fact
- 36:54not you do
- 36:58Absolutely everything
- 37:00Backwards from what your intuition tells you to do Karen you got to do it the opposite you have to take your take a you know
- 37:06Settle down and take your hands off the steering wheel here
- 37:10That is so difficult for a lot of people
- 37:12Especially people who I think maybe even mean well and want to be involved and want to be proactive and not sit back and do
- 37:21Something so you know you come into it for the right reasons you want to get involved you want to help
- 37:27But
- 37:28Help is subjective. Is it not?
- 37:33It is and
- 37:34Again, I think this is the point that people at the fundamental point that people have to understand is that
- 37:42Yes
- 37:43You I mean I may look at your life and go oh Charlie
- 37:46You're wasting your time and you're you're I don't know you're on you're on drugs all the time
- 37:50And I don't like that and I I know what's better for your life, etc. Whatever
- 37:55But but
- 37:58The point that people have to understand is that what you
- 38:02attempt to do to others will be done to you and
- 38:07So if you are trying to limit somebody else's freedom
- 38:11That is the exact same way that they will try to limit your freedom to do what you want with your life and
- 38:18the horrible
- 38:21Thing for a control freaks out there to
- 38:23Understand is that if you want to be able to pursue your life in the way that you know is best for you because absolutely
- 38:30No one on the planet knows you better than you and what is best for you
- 38:34if you want the freedom to be able to do that and to you know
- 38:37Go the wrong way and make mistakes and correct and all of that and live a human life
- 38:42You will have to I'll be able you will have to allow others to do that as well
- 38:47Because anything that you attempt to build up to control and constrain others and to violate their freedom is
- 38:54Exactly what will be used against you and to me that seems like such an obvious point because I mean
- 38:59Having grown up and lived through the whole war of terror nonsense and the police state that has been erected in its wake or in its
- 39:06You know as an excuse essentially
- 39:10It's just so obvious to me that everything that has happened is because
- 39:15People are trying to limit the freedom of others the the bad people that we know you know
- 39:19Oh, we got to get those people's rights away from them
- 39:22It is exactly that that will be used against you and once I mean maybe this is where I come at it from my
- 39:29General broader research into things like 9-11 and other you know conspiracies that have happened and exist is that oh there
- 39:36You know there is a malicious
- 39:39Force out there in politics that is working against you actively and they want you to support these sort of liberty
- 39:45Limiting things so that they can be used against you in the exact same way that all the weapons of warfare that were developed
- 39:52You know for you know Iraq and places like that were eventually brought back home to be used against our own citizens and the L
- 40:00Rads and all of this you know fancy technology, of course
- 40:02It's tested out against the bad people over there just so that it can be used against you
- 40:08That's the sort of fundamental layer of this trick that people have to understand anything that you suggest or advocate for
- 40:14Against other people will be used against you. So be very very careful what you want to advocate other people
- 40:22be subjected to in
- 40:25Making people understand over the 20 years in which you've been doing this. What's been the most effective
- 40:31Path for you you make full-length
- 40:34Documentaries you have an email newsletter you make short clips. You've got a book
- 40:40You've done it all you've approached this from every angle. Can you tell is there any sort of any sort of research?
- 40:48statistics you've gotten back in terms of
- 40:50What is the most effective or are you just kind of putting it out there in a variety of different?
- 40:57Methods and manners to to see if everybody can I'm definitely not
- 41:02Strategizing what I do at all times because I think once you get into that mindset
- 41:07You start looking for metrics, of course
- 41:09How do you measure what the effect that you're having and if I went that route? Let me tell you a story
- 41:15So back in 2011 on September 11th of 2011 so the 10th anniversary of 9 11
- 41:22I spent the day in my pajamas here in Japan in my living room
- 41:28concocting this stupid short little
- 41:319-11 video is just a stupid kind of funny video that I intended as an inside joke to the 9-11 truth movement with lots of inside
- 41:38References to very specific points about 9-11 truth that the average person would have no like no one would understand this
- 41:44I expected a people in the 9-11 truth community would look at it laugh, you know, oh, that's good
- 41:50That's funny, but somehow or other that became a viral video and it got millions and millions of views on my YouTube channel
- 41:56And it got spread to other channels and Facebook and it's been everywhere
- 42:00And to the point where people in my day-to-day life here in Japan who know nothing about me or my work
- 42:05They're like I saw this 9-11 video. Was that your voice? Yeah
- 42:09Yes, it was that was me. So it went mega viral and whatever has however many millions and millions of views
- 42:16So if I was going by that metric at the time when that started going viral like I woke up the next day
- 42:21And suddenly it had a couple hundred thousand views and then a couple days later it had like a million views
- 42:25I'm like what is going on?
- 42:27At that time it the thought occurred to me, you know, okay, this is a thing people like this
- 42:33I could easily do this, you know, several several weeks one a week
- 42:38I could do one on JFK. I could do one on OKC
- 42:41I could do this type of thing over and over and over and make it into a thing
- 42:45And I could be like the the conspiracy in five minutes guy right and make a channel out of this and etc
- 42:50Because obviously it's working and it's going viral and people want it great
- 42:55But I consciously made the decision. No, I'm not gonna do that
- 42:58I'm gonna continue doing the work that I do because that is the way that it has always occurred to me to do
- 43:02I will you know, of course humor is part of me and part of what I do
- 43:06So I'll do the short little humorous videos sometimes but fundamentally I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do and that's long-form content and
- 43:13Podcasts about books and things like that's not popular. Who cares about that?
- 43:18So if I went chasing the metrics, I think I would have went in a very different direction
- 43:22But what I'm doing is putting things out in a way that occurs naturally to me
- 43:26And sometimes that is a short funny punchy five-minute humor video and sometimes that's an hour-long deep dive
- 43:32Podcast and I realized that that is increasingly difficult for people to get through in this age of ADHD tick-tock scroll
- 43:41glass glass-eyed goldfish attention span
- 43:44Zombies that we are now steeped in you'll see excuse me for having a bit of disdain for the tick-tock era that we're living in but
- 43:52Clearly I'm not gonna bend myself into pretzel knots to try to conform to that to try to reach more people because I think the metric isn't
- 44:00Shear is simply the sheer number of viewers. It's not just then you know number of imaginary internet points
- 44:06Oh, I got a million views. That's a big deal
- 44:09It's about the quality of the the interaction that you have with the people who are watching and yeah
- 44:15If I make a big long hour-long deep dive into some you know a book by some
- 44:201980s Italian philosopher, it's probably not gonna get a lot of views
- 44:24But the people who get it watch it and get it
- 44:26Those are the people I'm trying to reach anyway, right and well, that's your rogue a album after you've done the pop album, you know
- 44:34Exactly, I'm gonna I'm gonna do what I want to do and I will connect with maybe fewer people than if I was
- 44:41Strategizing and gaming it out
- 44:42But I hope that the people that I'm reaching are the people who really need to hear this right and that that to me is
- 44:48What why I'm doing what I do in the way that I do it
- 44:52Well, we interacted last week went on the IMA panel that you put together of on a books
- 44:59What's your favorite book? Well, what's the book that changed your life and
- 45:04You know the book I brought to the table was Confessions of an Economic Hitman by John Perkins
- 45:08And then I had talked to John Perkins yesterday. I interviewed him yesterday
- 45:11So in my particular case, I've had the opportunity to have that light bulb moment with a book and then get it
- 45:18get to know
- 45:20The author who wrote it who was a bad guy turned good guy and but what about you? What was your what's your
- 45:27What's your what's the book or what's the?
- 45:30Moment was there something that sort of the light bulb moment that that puts you on a different path or woke you up to the
- 45:37Possibility that everything, you know might be incorrect or or you know started you down this crazy road
- 45:43Yeah, it's a good question because I do go back and think because I might of course my origin story
- 45:48Which I've told the number of times on the podcast is that 2006 experience
- 45:52I was talking about where I moved into a new apartment in Japan and it came with an internet connection first time
- 45:56I'd had an internet connection in my home in yours
- 45:58And so I was suddenly connected to all these Google video and YouTube and things and I was started
- 46:04I started looking at just political content because I was politically interested and it started leading me
- 46:09Algorithmically down the internet rabbit hole into all this 9-11 truth kind of information and all of that
- 46:15So that was really sort of the penny drop mirror
- 46:17That was the moment that started the process that including the philosophy of liberty that got me towards creating the Corbett report
- 46:23But I do go back sometimes and I try to think about well, okay
- 46:26But what was it about me that sort of prepared me for that?
- 46:30What was it that I could say and I can go back and try to
- 46:33Psychologize myself in my early days. I think people assume I was the class pet
- 46:38The teachers pet back in school, etc
- 46:42No, I was kind of a class clown in some ways and at any rate
- 46:45I always did try to challenge the teachers authority and I always I always remember back in grade four
- 46:52We were doing some sort of science
- 46:55Some sort of science unit or something and the teacher was asking, you know, this
- 47:00This object you think it's gonna float or sink or something like that and and he did like a
- 47:06Like a class vote and you know, I think it'll float
- 47:09I think it'll sink and I don't remember what it was or what the correct answer was but whatever it was
- 47:14I remember I got the correct answer and
- 47:17I think most people would just be like content with that. Oh, I got the correct answer
- 47:20But after I got the correct answer, I started to think about it
- 47:23I'm like, but shouldn't wait actually wouldn't it be like why isn't it like this?
- 47:28So I actually like started to argue against the correct answer just to see like well
- 47:31Why isn't it more like this and I think that's part of who I am
- 47:34I'm always kind of trying to question the even the received wisdom even authority
- 47:38Even if I think it to be true even sometimes if I know it to be true, I'll still be thinking about well
- 47:42Why not this? Why not the other way? So that's part of who I am
- 47:46another part of who I am I remember the experience in
- 47:50Social studies class in high school
- 47:52Reading just some snippet some little passage of John Locke
- 47:58Essentially the concept of you know, live and let live, you know
- 48:02Live your life, but your liberty is prescribed by your ability to inflict your your liberty on other people essentially
- 48:08and and that just immediately resonated with me and I thought yeah, that's about right and I think that sort of stuck in my brain and
- 48:16Whatever that was that I saw in philosophy of liberty. I managed to correspond. Oh, yeah, I think that's that's always seemed right to me
- 48:23So there are various things I can look back
- 48:25But one specific moment that I remember vividly is shortly after moving to Japan
- 48:31I was sitting there in my apartment watching the Gandhi
- 48:36biopic, you know
- 48:38Ben Kingsley playing Gandhi, right and I got to the scene where
- 48:43Gandhi's in South Africa leading the Indians against the the papers that they had to carry as you know foreign
- 48:50Indians in South Africa under the British authority and you know
- 48:55Gandhi's leading this protest where they're literally burning their their registration papers and in front of the British troops who then beat them
- 49:03You know and throw them in jail, right and they were willing to men Gandhi was willing to be literally beaten to a pulp
- 49:09burning his papers
- 49:11Indefiance of the rules right and I was sitting there in Japan
- 49:16with an identity card in my pocket that
- 49:21Legally I have to carry around with me as a foreign citizen here in Japan
- 49:25I have to carry that around with me at all times to be produced to a law enforcement authority at any time
- 49:31If I'm like literally if I'm just going out to take my garbage a policeman could stop me here and could ask for my card
- 49:37And if I don't have it he can he could take me down to the police station and get this, you know
- 49:42I'll sort it out or you know at very best
- 49:45Maybe I he'd let me go back home to get my card to show him that no I'm really like and it never
- 49:50Occurred to me until that moment watching that scene in that movie where people
- 49:55Oh, yeah, people were literally willing to be beaten to a pulp in defiance of this burning their papers
- 50:01But I haven't even like it didn't even occur to me
- 50:04This is something that I should be and that started me thinking along the lines of well, you know
- 50:08What has been sort of drummed out of us?
- 50:10What what have we been domesticated or just steeped in for so long that we don't even think about it anymore things that our
- 50:17grandparents would have absolutely fought and maybe died for things that we just take totally for granted
- 50:23So that really got me sort of thinking along those lines even a couple of years before I started down that Internet rabbit hole and
- 50:30Discovering all of this so there are a number of things that I could point to but the thing that I pointed to specifically in that
- 50:35Podcast that you're talking about for people who haven't seen it. I did look at George Orwell's animal farm
- 50:40Which was clearly something that was deep down in my subconscious
- 50:45Because I read it when I was whatever 13 or whatever it was at just that sort of right age
- 50:50Where you're starting to think politically about the world and the way it's constructed and what is authority and I think
- 50:56Orwell's idea that he implants in that book is I think essentially an anarchist type of idea because I think essentially what he's saying is that the authority is
- 51:05All it all becomes the same thing in the end no matter what flowery language and wonderful ideas
- 51:10Once you start to subjugate yourself to an authority
- 51:13It's gonna become a tyranny and I think that's the point of the ending of the book
- 51:17It's they look from the pigs to the men and the pigs to the men and they couldn't tell the difference anymore
- 51:21Yep, that's about right no matter what glorious revolution. It's gonna end up in the same thing
- 51:25So I think that was a formative part of my my childhood experience of coming into adulthood and understanding politics
- 51:34I had a similar experience with a teacher though mine wasn't in in the fourth grade mine was in college
- 51:40Actually my last year in college in in an advertising class and I was in a marketing major
- 51:45This was a big deal and I took this midterm and I and I remember leaving the test going back to my
- 51:51Apartment talking to my roommate. He goes. Hey, how'd you do on that midterm? Yeah? I said man. I honestly think I got a hundred percent
- 51:57I knew every answer. I've never said that and like there was that should have been a indicator or something was off
- 52:02I go back the following class and he hands back all the tests. I have a 52 percent
- 52:10on my test and I'm looking at it and I'm like I'm steaming the entire class
- 52:16Ends everybody leaves. I go down to talk to the teacher. I'm holding it up and I go I say to him
- 52:22What happened? He goes I was gonna ask you the same thing. What happened? I go
- 52:26I I walked out of this test thinking I had a hundred percent. He goes. Well, you didn't I said well
- 52:31I bet you had I bet you I'm closer to it than you think
- 52:34And he said well, let's go over it
- 52:36So we went through the test and every answer that I had wrong to him
- 52:41I was able to explain to him why I was right and
- 52:44When we got done with it. He said he goes man. I don't know what to do
- 52:48He said because I can't give you a 52 percent because you clearly know this
- 52:53But I can't give you a hundred percent either. So why don't we just agree that I'll give you a zero out of zero?
- 52:58We throw it out. We pretend like it never happened, but I want you to do this in the future. I
- 53:06Want you to give me the answer that you think I want and I went
- 53:13What?
- 53:15What if it's wrong though? What if the answer you want is wrong?
- 53:19I just sat here and proved to you how your answers were wrong and and after that I realized
- 53:25This isn't about what I thought it was. This is about something else and to me that was a that was another
- 53:33Moment where I thought well education college degree. What does this really mean?
- 53:38What have I proved by getting this degree and going that I can finish what I started maybe but
- 53:43Do did I I mean because halfway through the journey? I didn't really want to finish it
- 53:47I kind of felt like I had to and so I don't know that was my
- 53:51That was my light bulb moment with academia and also just life, you know, sometimes the answer is
- 53:59Sometimes the correct answer for your boss is actually the incorrect answer
- 54:03And I resonate with that so deeply because I was blessed through most of my school career
- 54:09with teachers that sort of
- 54:12Put up with me in a sense
- 54:13I mean, I of course I always knew what the correct answer was and what they wanted me to say and I was often trying to write
- 54:20Something different sometimes just to be different, but I was always trying to like come at it from a different angle or say
- 54:25you know come up with a different answer and
- 54:27Most of my teachers most of the time appreciated that and understood what I was doing although I did have one. Yeah, one
- 54:34particularly
- 54:36egregious teacher once who was
- 54:38Not like that shall we say and absolutely wanted you to say what she wanted you to say and anything else was and so I
- 54:45fought and I
- 54:47disputed her grades and went up to the dean of the faculty etc etc. Yeah, you know it
- 54:54again, I
- 54:55Deeply resonate with what you're saying there because in that exact moment when the if a teacher or professor was
- 55:01Suggesting that I would be like, okay
- 55:03This is a game and you want me to play the game by your rules and whatever if I want the piece of paper
- 55:09Maybe I'll play the game by your rules, but I now know it means nothing. It is absolutely useless
- 55:15James it's always good to connect with you. Where can people find you and support your outstanding work?
- 55:20Corbett report.com C or B E T T report.com is where you go for all of my
- 55:27Everything essentially and yeah, I'm on YouTube. I'm on tick tick tick. I'm on
- 55:32Archive I'm on rumble. I'm on bit shoot. I'm everywhere
- 55:35But go to Corbett report.com because that's the one well
- 55:38That'll be my last line of defense against all the censorship and scrubbery and algorithmic manipulation
- 55:44But for the purposes of today's conversation go to Libertas dot earth
- 55:49Simple simple website simple to remember simple to understand simple to get there simple to navigate
- 55:54It is essentially a video and when you watch that video
- 55:57I think I'd like to think that a number of people will have that same penny drop moment
- 56:02And even if it is old hat to you maybe you know Charlie Robinson's audiences clued into this kind of thing
- 56:07So maybe they know a thing or two. Maybe it's not new news to you
- 56:10But I guarantee it's new news to your neighbor or your co-worker or your friend or your acquaintance
- 56:15Or whoever you're passing on the street get this out to other people. This is what it's for
- 56:20It is a tool for unlocking minds and yeah, sure
- 56:23There are people who will not resonate with this eight-minute flash video
- 56:27But there are other people who will and that's what this is for so get it out there Libertas dot earth
- 56:33That's James Corbett go to Corbett report.com. He will tell you sign up for the newsletter
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