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Detroit's OBP Need · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Battle Territory Network, a Detroit Tiger's podcast.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Karen Steckley with.
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  Speaker 1: Me as always as a man who Jim Harbaugh might
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  Speaker 1: recognize if he's on walking down the street. He is
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  Speaker 1: Cody saving Egg and how you doing.
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  Speaker 3: Doing it right?
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  Speaker 4: I don't think Jim Harbom would recognize me. That was
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  Speaker 4: a It was a stranger covering Michigan. I wasn't an
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  Speaker 4: elevator with him once and he didn't. He didn't really
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  Speaker 4: pay me much mind. I hope everyone had to marry Christmas.
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  Speaker 4: Hope everyone's enjoying their holiday season. As we come up
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  Speaker 4: on the new year, big updates. Since our last podcast,
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  Speaker 4: the Tigers have still not done anything, so I guess
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  Speaker 4: we're going to talk about the things they haven't done.
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  Speaker 3: While there has been a lot of other action across the.
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  Speaker 1: League, there has been which the benefit for us is
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  Speaker 1: that with every move and a key situation, it kind
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  Speaker 1: of helped shape, you know, for their it kind of
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  Speaker 1: narrows down what you know could be possible, what may
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  Speaker 1: be possible. So there is some benefits to that. Although
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  Speaker 1: it's still in action from those specific Tigers. I did, however,
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  Speaker 1: want to start with sort of an extension of what
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  Speaker 1: we talked about last last time we were firing up
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  Speaker 1: the pots Cody, which was you know, talk about like
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  Speaker 1: third base options.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a name I actually, you know, I say
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  Speaker 2: this all the time. I was like, Ah, why didn't
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  Speaker 2: I get to this.
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  Speaker 1: I actually did, like have this written down, and then
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  Speaker 1: you know, through the course of everything else, I just
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  Speaker 1: forgot about it. If we're looking at third baseman and
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  Speaker 1: we're looking at sort of the way the Tigers operate,
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  Speaker 1: there's a name out there that isn't getting a lot
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  Speaker 1: of buzz. But at one point he was one of
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  Speaker 1: the hot young players in baseball. And he's in or
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  Speaker 1: he was in your division. And that's Joan Mancata, who
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  Speaker 1: is currently a free agent, who currently has, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: no buzz, but at one time was considered part of
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  Speaker 1: this nucleus that was going to torture the Tigers for
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  Speaker 1: a decade, right and and he there, let's see, he
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  Speaker 1: never made an All Star appearance, but he had that
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  Speaker 1: big extension with the White Sox. He's part of the
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  Speaker 1: Cris Sale tray. Like all this off, all this buzz,
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  Speaker 1: if you're looking for a right hand I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: he you know, he switched hit, so like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's that.
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  Speaker 2: But in terms of from the left side, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, but if you're looking for the ultimate by Low,
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  Speaker 1: he is twenty nine years old, the ultimate by Low.
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  Speaker 1: Why not throw this guy a minor league deal with
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  Speaker 1: an invitation in the spring training and just kind of
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  Speaker 1: see what happens that this is This is a situation
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  Speaker 1: that would come with zero risk for the Tigers, and
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  Speaker 1: you're adding a guy who at one time was considered
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  Speaker 1: one of the more talented young players in baseball. So, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have like a whole lot to say other
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  Speaker 1: than sort of like why not?
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  Speaker 2: You know what does that make?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's certainly an interesting idea. It's got to
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  Speaker 4: be an interesting idea for all thirty teams if you
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  Speaker 4: could get him on a minor league deal. I'd imagine
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  Speaker 4: Moncott is going to hold out and hope he can
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  Speaker 4: snag a major league contract somewhere. But it comes down
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  Speaker 4: to he just hasn't played very much over the past
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  Speaker 4: three years. One of these guys who's never quite hit
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  Speaker 4: his full potential, and a big reason for that is
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  Speaker 4: a lack of availability only played twelve games in twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty four, played ninety two games the previous year, and
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  Speaker 4: his own base percentage was only three h five that year.
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  Speaker 3: Like, definitely a good player, definitely still some talent.
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  Speaker 4: Here is switch hitting infielder in a minor league deal,
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  Speaker 4: and if you're not blocking any big time infield prospects
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  Speaker 4: in Triple A, I think that makes sense for almost
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  Speaker 4: anyone to take a flyer on. I don't think Moncotta
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  Speaker 4: is like necessarily an option you feel good about. But
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  Speaker 4: if you're looking for a player to be oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 4: what was the Keston he custing here? If you're looking
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  Speaker 4: for this year's like Custon here, who was very interesting, shout.
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  Speaker 3: Tigers signed him.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously that didn't really work out or materialized and he
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  Speaker 4: made no impact for the Tigers.
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  Speaker 3: But it kind of a similar mold.
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  Speaker 4: A really talented guy who maybe you know, you could
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  Speaker 4: still get something more out of and if you're able
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  Speaker 4: to get them kind.
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  Speaker 3: Of on the cheap one a minor league deal, hey
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  Speaker 3: why not? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And you know so, just to reiterate some other stats things,
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  Speaker 1: this has nothing to do with anything, but I think
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of funny for four seasons in a row
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  Speaker 1: he had exactly one triple, and that's a very varied
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  Speaker 1: amount of games that he played in each twelve games
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  Speaker 1: last season, he still managed to get one triple.
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  Speaker 2: So I just found that kind of funny.
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  Speaker 1: He's always been a positive war player outside of when
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  Speaker 1: he played eight games for the Red Sox in twenty sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: So like you got point three war out of them,
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  Speaker 1: or the White Sox did last season in twelve games,
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  Speaker 1: that's like what would what was some games? Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: pretty good twelve games, right, So again the hell stuff,
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like it's one of those.
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  Speaker 2: You know, bi low like ultimate like.
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  Speaker 1: If you get something out of him, like anything would
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  Speaker 1: be a positive return on investment. So I just thought
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  Speaker 1: that I just want to kind of wanted to throw
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  Speaker 1: that out there because it just makes much sense to ignore.
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  Speaker 1: So I think smart front offices tend to do those
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  Speaker 1: kind of deals. We saw his teammate go to go
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  Speaker 1: to Tampa Bay on on on in a similar type
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  Speaker 1: situation and him Menez, So you know, just something out there.
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  Speaker 1: Just wanted to put it out in the effer main
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  Speaker 1: point today, Cody, so we there was an article that
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  Speaker 1: came out I think today, yesterday, one of these days.
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  Speaker 1: They all the days went together, especially when we got
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  Speaker 1: holidays involved, where ESPN kind of identified like one stat
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  Speaker 1: that was going to like define each team, and for
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers it was not pay although maybe maybe it
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  Speaker 1: should be.
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  Speaker 2: It was actually on base percentage.
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  Speaker 1: Now we were sitting here and it's almost twenty twenty five, right,
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  Speaker 1: so it's it's kind of a lot of things are
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  Speaker 1: in the past a little bit gotta yeah, it's it's
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  Speaker 1: like for fresher time, and instead, you know, instead of
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  Speaker 1: like remember how you felt, remember, Yeah, we start start
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  Speaker 1: remembering how it was.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: As awesome as that run to the playoffs was last year,
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  Speaker 1: it is worth noting that this we know about the
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  Speaker 1: pitching chaos. You know, some great defensive plays, we remember
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  Speaker 1: some offensive highlights, but the offensive numbers were not some
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  Speaker 1: jump that the Tigers rode to the postseason and nearly
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  Speaker 1: to the American League Championship Series. But if we take out,
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  Speaker 1: if we take the whole season, the Tigers were a
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  Speaker 1: three hundred baseball team on base that was second worst
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  Speaker 1: than the American League to only you guys, did the
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  Speaker 1: Chicago White Sox. And if you look at some of
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  Speaker 1: the on base leaders for the team you had Riley
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  Speaker 1: miss Time, Carrie miss Time, Mark Canna traded.
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  Speaker 2: So there's like there's.
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  Speaker 1: Avoid and avoid ish in terms of in terms of
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  Speaker 1: guys that had the ability to get on base. And
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  Speaker 1: the reason that that sticks out to me even more
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  Speaker 1: is because you know, if you had the second worst
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  Speaker 1: on base percentage in your league, that doesn't exactly sound
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  Speaker 1: like dominating the strike zone, now does it? So one
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  Speaker 1: little more, one stat about that real quick. The Tigers
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  Speaker 1: and I think I remember reading this, but again, refresh
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  Speaker 1: refreshment time. The Tigers had the worst on base percentage
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  Speaker 1: of a team that made the playoffs since the nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixty eight Saint Louis Cardinals. Wow, that's it was just
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  Speaker 1: pennant winners and all that stuff. So it's even more impressive.
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  Speaker 1: And considering that team didn't have a dh to play,
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  Speaker 1: so so that was the worst sense a team that
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  Speaker 1: had to put their pitcher out there every single time
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  Speaker 1: through the lineup. So problem that is like a thing
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  Speaker 1: that has to be addressed. And as this Hispian article goes, uh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, nothing has been addressed in this area so
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  Speaker 1: far this off season, So uh, I have a couple
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  Speaker 1: other things that we can talk about players and need
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  Speaker 1: to step up. But is this I read this and
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  Speaker 1: I get like glarings in my mind, right, It's like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: like if you want an indication that like the same old,
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  Speaker 1: same old, the status quo probably not going to be
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  Speaker 1: good enough.
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  Speaker 2: That's it. That's your that's your status quo is not
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  Speaker 2: good enough stat right there?
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  Speaker 4: Code Yeah, I was gonna say, so, are you telling
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  Speaker 4: me there's reason to believe that the Tiger's offense might
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  Speaker 4: not be good enough for them to be legit legit contenders?
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  Speaker 4: The OBP status is obviously glaring. I know for a
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  Speaker 4: fact the Tiger's front office would say, well, stop looking
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  Speaker 4: at the course of our whole season. We had a
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  Speaker 4: very different roster in the second half or post trade deadline.
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  Speaker 4: But even after August first, the Tiger's ops so on
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  Speaker 4: base plus slugging ranked eighteenth.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was six ninety six.
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  Speaker 4: You look at all their offensive metrics from August first one,
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  Speaker 4: they were better. They were middle of the pack at best. Still,
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  Speaker 4: so you know, you're hoping some of these young players
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  Speaker 4: make strides. But I would still argue walk, grate, swing
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  Speaker 4: and miss general in basability is still a real concern
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  Speaker 4: with the makeup of this lineup. As good as players
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  Speaker 4: like Carrie Carpenter and Riley Green are, you need guys
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  Speaker 4: to get on base a little more, you know. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: there's one reason I wasn't a fan of bringing in
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  Speaker 4: someone like a Jake Berger.
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  Speaker 3: Like adding a guy who has some pop but a
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  Speaker 3: three h five on base percentage. I'm not sure how
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  Speaker 3: much that solves for the Tigers. Obviously, you're going to
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  Speaker 3: to hear it from the front office that they want
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  Speaker 3: these internal guys to make strides and parts. Part that's
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  Speaker 3: gonna be knowing the strikes on better and and all that.
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  Speaker 4: But it's a real thing. I mean, you could boil
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  Speaker 4: it down to the fate of the twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 4: Tigers will end up being as simple as like how
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  Speaker 4: much do their own base percentage improve? Because it's it's
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  Speaker 4: a real concern in my mind.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so yes, concern And then like the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: five Tigers season bowls down to anticipated gains on the
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  Speaker 1: likes of a Jayce Young, who we talked about a
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  Speaker 1: lot last week, and like Trey Sweeney, who is worth
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  Speaker 1: a deep dive. We'll do that at some point this offseason.
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  Speaker 1: But again, I like to think of narratives that go
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  Speaker 1: back and forth. If you you say, like, yeah, well
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  Speaker 1: they it was apparent that everything was gonna be good,
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  Speaker 1: relying on Jase Young who played and had like well
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  Speaker 1: how I had the number in front of me.
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  Speaker 2: He had ninety four played appearances.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna like, you know, bank the hot corner
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  Speaker 1: on Jay s Young and and Tray Swiney who had
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  Speaker 1: this awesome stretch and deserves a lot of credit.
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  Speaker 2: But there's there's there's nothing that tells.
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  Speaker 1: Me like year to year like this is like the
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  Speaker 1: guy like just like track record wise, although there is
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  Speaker 1: some good stuff there, like I said Cole Keith, like
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  Speaker 1: having a sophomore surge like that could be a real thing.
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  Speaker 1: But again, we're we're doing a lot of assuming here,
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  Speaker 1: especially and it comes to you know, you know, guys
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  Speaker 1: at the plate. So I wanted to identify a couple
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  Speaker 1: of dudes that you're gonna need to kind of help
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  Speaker 1: fill this void. Like if you're if you're gonna do
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  Speaker 1: the internal thing, you're you're gonna need them to step
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  Speaker 1: up a little bit, because like Parker Metals was like
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  Speaker 1: three ten in the in the times that he had,
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  Speaker 1: so it's like, yeah, you want more, But given everything
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  Speaker 1: that he went through, I think you're kind of okay
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  Speaker 1: with a three ten on base for Parker Metals. The
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  Speaker 1: course of twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five is the story.
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  Speaker 1: But given what the struggles he had twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 1: you'll you'll take that.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: My mind just kept coming back to Jayhan, Justin Henry molloy, who,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, was hitting dangers over and uh and
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  Speaker 1: with the Bahamas. Uh, this week looks the some sort
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  Speaker 1: of event, kind of jelly, not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the life of being a major league baseball player. Man,
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  Speaker 1: it's pretty good if you.
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  Speaker 3: Can do it. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: This guy is key for several reasons.
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  Speaker 1: Number One, one of the first, if not the first,
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  Speaker 1: one of the first moves of the Harris administration, Joe
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  Speaker 1: Jimenez for Justin Henry Molloy, they slow played his development
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  Speaker 1: like and I say that like complimentary, like with purpose,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you look at his numbers. This guy
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  Speaker 1: really is like one of those like Brad Pitt. He
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  Speaker 1: gets on bass guys because I'm gonna read you read
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  Speaker 1: you his his minor league track record in uh low
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  Speaker 1: a three eighty three, eighty one, three eighty five, a high,
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  Speaker 1: a four oh nine triple, or see me double a
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  Speaker 1: four oh five triple, a four fourteen.
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  Speaker 2: That's all on.
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  Speaker 1: Base, Like, this guy has a huge track record of
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  Speaker 1: getting on base. And we used to joke, uh through
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  Speaker 1: your reporting that you know, he was known as like
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  Speaker 1: the abs, you know, AutoMac balls and strikes guy in
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  Speaker 1: the system. And then he gets to Uh, he gets
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  Speaker 1: to Detroit and it's I would say, predict predictably a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more difficult for him, but and leaves us
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  Speaker 1: in the regular season thinking, all right, what we really
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  Speaker 1: have here, I don't really know is a guy who
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  Speaker 1: had a two ninety one on base and seventy one
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  Speaker 1: games for the Tigers. But then he goes on that
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  Speaker 1: tear in the postseason and then all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 2: Like the hype is back.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: We talked about this a little bit, does like where
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  Speaker 1: does he fit in? So he's gonna take some grounders
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  Speaker 1: and some pick drills at first base. He's still obviously
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to play some outfield. He has no guarantee
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  Speaker 1: playing time, but he has this track record. His strength
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  Speaker 1: is literally your weakness, at least in theory. So for
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  Speaker 1: Jay hen specifically, what is going on?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, here's the thing we're not even talking about. Like,
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  Speaker 4: chances are if opening day where tomorrow Jahan is not
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  Speaker 4: one the twenty six man roster, Like he's just not
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  Speaker 4: unless you're taking off Wintel Perez or unless you're taking
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  Speaker 4: off Spencer Twirklesen. Like there's an assuming they're gonna add
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  Speaker 4: another player too, there's a world where Jase Young and
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  Speaker 4: Justin Henry Maloy are not breaking camp with the Tigers.
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  Speaker 4: All that said, Jayhen still could be a very important
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  Speaker 4: piece of this team. And I think the fact he's
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  Speaker 4: taking grounders at first is huge. I have no idea
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  Speaker 4: how much he'll play first base in the major leagues
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  Speaker 4: next year, but the fact he has that option gives
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  Speaker 4: him a much more realistic path to a roster spot.
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  Speaker 4: Put some pressure on Spencer torkles In to produce. You know,
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  Speaker 4: Jay's gonna have some work to do to play on
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  Speaker 4: the dirt. Even at first, it sounds like they're concerned
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  Speaker 4: that he's just kind of overly mechanical, robotic, like kind
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  Speaker 4: of thinks instead of just acts. So that's gonna be
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  Speaker 4: a work in progress, but I think it's pretty huge.
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  Speaker 4: I think the Tigers are doing that. I mean, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's a way to potentially like optimize lineups, but it's
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  Speaker 4: a way to maybe get jayhen on the team because
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  Speaker 4: he was probably not gonna make the roster if he
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  Speaker 4: is kind of a poor left fielder best used as
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  Speaker 4: a DH only, Like, he has to be able to
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  Speaker 4: play in the field, he has to be able to
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  Speaker 4: play on the dirt. If the Tigers don't add at
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  Speaker 4: first base, and we're gonna get to all the other
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  Speaker 4: first basemen that have signed across the league pretty soon,
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  Speaker 4: there could be some playing time up for grabs. If
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  Speaker 4: Spencer Toorkleen doesn't perform, there could be a full time
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  Speaker 4: job up for grabs. And give Jahn's skill set, you
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  Speaker 4: see why the Tigers are willing to try this thing
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  Speaker 4: at first. We've been asking for it forever. They're finally
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  Speaker 4: doing it. Really interested to see what what this year
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  Speaker 4: holds for Jay Hen goes. His offensive profile is he's
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  Speaker 4: swung and miss thirty six percent of the time last
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  Speaker 4: year pitches in the zone. His whift rate is still
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  Speaker 4: really high. So can he adjust a little bit to
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  Speaker 4: major league pitching where will pitchers continue to just go
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  Speaker 4: right at him, exploit him in the zone. That's probably
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  Speaker 4: the big thing to look for with him offensively.
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  Speaker 1: A couple other nuggets there. Carson Kelly was three twenty
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  Speaker 1: five on base in his time with the Tigers last season,
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  Speaker 1: so obviously he's out, and uh, your boy blind Madris
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  Speaker 1: three twenty four now only twenty one rounds, you know,
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  Speaker 1: and and still around brought back, So maybe maybe there's
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  Speaker 1: your replacement right there. I was just thinking, it's like,
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  Speaker 1: maybe really convenient ja Hen could play manageable third base,
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, yeah, it's not gonna happen, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not even worth talking about. But you go through all
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  Speaker 1: it's like, man, if only I bring up the I
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  Speaker 1: bring up the Carson Kelly element to this, because like
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  Speaker 1: there's obviously this year's number two guy or however you
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  Speaker 1: wanted to find one, A, one, one B, whatever is
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  Speaker 1: going to be Dylan Dingler, another internal candidate, another guy
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  Speaker 1: that they're like banking on showing some improvement after getting
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of experience in the big leagues.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't do a whole lot.
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  Speaker 1: One sixty seven vallion average got on base one ninety
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  Speaker 1: five in his twenty seven games and eighty seven play
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: appearances with the Tigers in twenty twenty four. But again,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: you gotta look at track record on these things, and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: he was a a three forty nine on base guy
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: in Triple A and three twenty seven on base in
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Double A. And he's also you know, he's a little older,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: the catcher thing, the slow roll, like there's some maturity
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: to his game that you would think, like now that
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: he's gotten his feet wet and he's given a clear
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: established role, like mentally he should be able to prepare
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: for everything, you know. But that's another guy that identified
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: as like if there is, because replacing Carson Kelly is
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: not it's not a nothing burger in terms of projecting
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: this team out right, like like that he was a
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: he was a valuable piece to the Tigers in the
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: beginning part of the season. It's just unfortunate that he
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: he wasn't it was a valuable piece to the to
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: the time that the team was just not good or
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: at least not good enough. And then he goes like,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: if you had Carson Kelly the whole year, the team
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: would have, you know, maybe made the playoffs at a
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: little with a little bit of a breathing room instead
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: of going up to the Friday of the last weekend
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: of the season. So Dylan Dingler is a guy that, like,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: you know, like there's not like a whole lot of
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: and now it's to be had here other than like
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: he's gonna have to step up. And then Trey Sweeney
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: another young kid. Obviously he's a career three fifty six
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: guy on base in the miners. In the miners, I
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: should say, but as much as we really liked what
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: he did, he was on base at two sixty nine
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: for the Tigers.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: So again, all this to say, all this to say, like.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It's it's need with a capital N on these guys
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: being able to kind of figure things some things out
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: at the plate, and you start listing all of those Cody,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: it actually gets a little daunting for a team that
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: stated goal from the top is to win the Ale Central.
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Parker Meadows is a huge, huge factor in this
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: conversation too. Is he a legit leadoff guy, like this
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: best version of Parker we've seen. Is he a three
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: fifty obp three thirty three ten or is it lower?
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: Like if he can get on base consistently enough and
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: be the best version of himself enough to be your
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: leadoff man, you know, damn near every day.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: That's kind of a game changer for the entire lineup
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: in a way. And if he can't, you're kind of
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: back to square one. Who is do you have a
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: leadoff hitter who's you know, who's setting the tone for
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: you each and every day. So, as much as Meadows
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: did once he returned last year, still such an X
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: factor that could go a long way in whether the
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: team can't achieve that set goal you alluded to.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: All right, every now and then when we're doing the podcast,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I think like I'm going to come back to this
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: moment as many times as is appropriate, And the phrase
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: back to square one, like if X doesn't happen, then
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: you're back to square one is going to be one
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that I remember for like the entirety of this season
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: should things go the way that is obviously in the
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: realm of outcomes, you know what I mean, Like all
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: this stuff that we talk about, like we're probably number
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: one Tigers podcast in terms of like talking about realm
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: of outcomes like it that's all I think about, you know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: And and so like like you're back to square one.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: You know, with first base, you're back to square one.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: With third base, you're back to square one. With shortstop,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: You're back to square one with who is your you know,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: third outfielder, because you know, Perez is a guy that
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: you know, Like nothing's guaranteed either, So all of a sudden,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: you start getting a lot of you know, backup catcher,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: You start getting a lot of could be back to
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: square ones and and and like I said earlier, it
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: gets a little daunting. So I remember that back to
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: square one the I really hope the Tigers do not
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: become the the twenty twenty five Tigers do not become
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: the back to square one Tigers. But like, there are
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: things that you feel like need addressing and as of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: now have not been addressed. Now again, for the record,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: it's December twenty sixth, and they're still time the offseason
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: to improve the roster. So like we could be prisoner
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: in the moment and kind of laugh that we were
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: worried about this because Bregman's in to or you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Kim is in to or whatever. But as of now,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: like a lot of potential backsquare ones, and you know
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: what backsquare one is putting hobby buys in a lineup
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: every day. That's what back square one.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's that, you know, some we'll see, like with
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: much off season still ahead of us. An early vibe
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: I'm getting from this team is the twenty sixteen Astros.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: Aj Hinch's second Astros team came in first year and
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: they made the playoffs. They won eighty six games. They
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: were surprised. They were a young team. You would imagine
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: this team would take some gigantic leap the next year,
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: and they didn't, even though like al Tuvay was really
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: good and Carlos Korea was really good, they just weren't
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: a fully formed machine yet. They won eighty four games.
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: They were a fine team, but they missed the playoffs. Now,
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: the next the big jump came the year after. They
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: won one hundred and one games. They also cheated that year, but.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Like, uh yeah, just that second Aster, Like everyone just
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: assumes that it's gonna be this constant easy ramp and
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: baseball just doesn't always work like that. I think that
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: sixteen Asters team is a good kind of example that, like,
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: things can go fine, but just because you played well
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: in the second half of one year does not guarantee
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: you anything the next.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: No, very well said, and again we'll see if anything
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: at all is made to address and then you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: and then like look forward to what Scott Harris has
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: to say, you know, day two or whatever whenever he
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: speaks over there in Lakeland and spring training. All right,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: let's do a little I kind of envisioned this kind
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: of being like is the price right? So it's not
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: the price is right because we're not doing any of
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that kind of like Benning stuff. We like, is the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: price right? So a couple of these moves that have
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: happened in the offseason where it's like, would you have
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: done this if you were the Tigers?
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: What prompted this idea from me, Cody was Walker Buehler,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a guy that you know we have talked about is
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you know, was just naturally linked to the Tigers as
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: a guy that was a free agent and didn't have
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: a qualifying offer and like and seemed like the kind
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: of moxie that maybe this in need a veteran leadership
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: you know, team could use, and you're probably not going
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: to get him at his highest price point, right, that
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: was the idea. Well, now we know for sure you're
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: not getting Walker Buehler at his highest price point, he
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: signs with the Boston Red Sox or I don't know
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: if he signed yet, but he is reportedly agreed the terms,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: whatever proper terminology we need to use there for one
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: year and just over twenty one million dollars. So you
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: have the Alex Cobb, the Prius, the Alex Cobb contract
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: of one fifteen up to seventeen million dollars, and then
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: you have Walker Buehler one for just over twenty one
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: million dollars. I soar a b ask, how's this play
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: for you?
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Is?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Is this something that you know you saw and you're like, well,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Tigers could have should have done that.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: When I saw the price point, I was surprised.
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I really had been convinced for a long time that
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: Buehler could get a multi year deal.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: And maybe he didn't want one. Maybe he does want
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: to do more.
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: Of the Pillow deal and kind of shoot to really
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: reboost his value. But twenty one point oh five million,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: this is basically the qualifying offer. I was surprised when
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: I saw that number. It seems like something that could
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: have been easily attainable for the Tigers. Supposedly the Tigers
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: really liked Walker Buehler, so you start thinking about it
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: a little bit surprised they jumped at Alex Cobb and
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: threw him fifteen million. I think there's a classic case
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: of two things being true at once, which is a
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: stay here on our podcast, like this is a deal
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: that Tigers could have done, And simultaneously, I think Tiger's
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Twitter x has like vastly overrated Walker Bueler because of
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: the name brand value. This guy has not pitched very
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: much in three years, going back to twenty twenty two.
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: His ra is well over four. It's it's trying to
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: pull it up here. It's four seven five in his
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: last one hundred and forty innings, Like, this guy is
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: not a lock to just be a superstar. So in
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: a way, like I can see it, this could be
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: something where maybe the Tigers do not miss Walker Bueler
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: at all. And at the same time, it's like, really,
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: that's all he got and you chose fifteen mil for
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: an old Alex Cobb, Like, I don't know, that's how
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: I feel about I think Alex Cobb might be just
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: fine and Walker Bueler is vastly overrated, And at the
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: same time, like I don't know, it'd kind of be
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: more fun. I think there is a higher ceiling in
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: Walker Buehler for sure, and this seemed like it could
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: have been du for the Tipers.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, I agree o hardly.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And again, like if I come back to the Moxie stuff,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: I felt like that kind of that that's something that
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: could could be valuable to this team specifically, and in
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: this case it wasn't wasn't a factor, or at least
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: not enough of a factor. It's kind of group together
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: some of these first base deals, all right, free agency wise,
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So you got Christian Walker three sixty, you got Paul
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: goldschmant one for twelve, your boy Carlos Santana one for twelve.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: So the dream is dead there for you, Cody. Uh
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: and if you and you even throw the balancer trade
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: in there, if you want to as a guy who
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: could play some first base.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: The more I thought about it, because the the gold
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Schmith deal happened while we were recording our last episode,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the more I thought about it, the more I was like,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I just got like a big like why the hell not?
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Like if you were going to bring them in for
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: one for twelve, like you could just have him in
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: tow and torque and just be like, hey, we're gonna
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: we're just gonna figure this out.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: We're just gonna figure this out.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Y'all are gonna y'all are gonna figure this out on
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the field is how it's going to be figured out.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: And there would be again no risk involved, and and
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: it would have been a move that again you're probably
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: getting a better ROI than potentially even Christian Walker at
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: three for sixty, you know what I mean, who was
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: obviously the better player right now. So like, well, yeah,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I kind of group those first base jobs in there, Cody,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: like you do you do? You would you have done?
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Santana one for twelve, Walker three for sixty, Uh, Goldsmith
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: won for twelve and uh and for the Tigers.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all interesting deals, I guess her reflection of the
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Tigers commitment to like their young talent.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: This philosophy. We will see if it works out.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: But Walker three for that's about exactly what I thought
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: he would get in man, I think that's a pretty
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: attractive deal. Now that will require forfeiting a draft pick.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Walker had received a qualifying offer. I think that probably
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: turned the Tigers off for a guy they were only
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: gonna have for three years. Maybe that's a little bit
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: different than Bregman, who in theory you could have for
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: six or seven years. Maybe you're more willing to forfeit
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: a draft pick in that case. At the same time,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know, man, Christian Walker three for sixty, Man,
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I think that made a lot of sense for the
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Detroit Tigers. And if you didn't want to do that,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: my boy, Carlos Santana one year, twelve million. It seemed
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: like Santana really likes Cleveland and was kind of intent
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: when going back there. Kim Rosenthal had a good article
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: about it that did mention the Tigers as being in
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: on him a little bit until the end to some degree.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: But twelve million, you know, get alex Cott fifteen million,
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: why can't you give Carlos Santana fifteen sixteen million? Now, Santanna'
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: supposedly turned down more money from theat Mariners, so it
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: seems like his allegiance to Cleveland paid played a big
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: role in this. But that's a guy who I thought
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: made so much since even though I didn't love gold
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: Schmidt as much, you know, he gets pretty much the
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: same deal twelve point five and I thought he would
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: get a little bit more. Seems like a pretty clear
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: indication the Tigers aren't gonna add at first and would
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: rather add at third, or you know, do like a
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: hass On Kim type things, a utility infielder. And I
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: think that, you know, it's nice to have some sort
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: of backup ish plan with Colt Keith and Jayen playing first,
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: but you're still putting a lot of confidence in Spencer Twirklesen,
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: and that still naturally makes me uneasy, especially when some
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: of these deals were not anything astronomical price wise.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially the one year, like it's just like,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: all right, we'll figure it out, Like you know, you
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: gotta put your big boy pants on tour, like it's
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: it's it's go time. We're not We're not sending you
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: down for three months in Toledo again. Like it's just
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be hard to come back from for your
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: sake and for our sake. So, uh, that was interesting
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to me. One that really caught my eye was the Rangers,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: and you know, we talked about them with the Burger stuff.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I really really liked the Nathaniel Lowe deal for like
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: the Nationals, like you know, just in terms of just value,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Like they didn't give up hardly anything to give up
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: a picture. Who some guys that look at you know,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: beneath the surface numbers, like Robert Garcia, but he was
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: a point three War pitcher last year and so like.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: But you give up Brian Sammons for for Nathaniel Lowe,
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: who has two years of team control or not team control. Yeah,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: two years of team control. He was a two point
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: seven War player. He's got a gold glove. He bats
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: left handed, so you can do some You could either
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: just take Torch's job, or you could do some sort
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: of like platooning element there if you really wanted to.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Uh it, just there's the experience with being a World
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Series winner like it. I don't know how he is
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. You cover the Rangers during that such,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any So there you go, like,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you know, great guy to have around the clubhouse.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: I know fans here, you know, loved him.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Didn't give a hope a whole lot as I am
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: in a contract here, I would have been pretty excited
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: to for that deal if it was Nathaniel low ending
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: up in Detroit.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for the Tigers here in platoon land a left
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: handed bat probably didn't make sense for them, And given
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: we've seen how well this strategy has worked, I'm not
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: sure you can fairly like knock them for that anymore
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: so just because of the hand, Inness, he probably wasn't
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: the right fit. But at the same time, like it'salk
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: about one base percentage, Low's been above three sixty each
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: of the past two years. It's much better defender in
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: theory than Spencer Torklesen. Low's are really good player. Probably
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: didn't quite make sense for the Tigers. But another thing,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: like the Nationals man, they played in a tough division,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: but people aren't giving them credit. That's like a little
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: bit of a sleeper team to watch, and they're building
• 33:22
  Speaker 4: something pretty good.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: And I think they got another good piece in Nathaniel though.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna disagree with anything you said there, especially
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: with the hand in this part. But sort of the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: same thing with the Bellinger thing. It's like at a
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: certain point, damn it, Like I'm just like, get get dudes,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: get dudes and figure it out.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: It's kind of.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: Like what the Rangers did and they won the World Series.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, get dudes would figure it out and
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: then like, you know, cause look two point seven Wars,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: two point seven war. No matter what your hand in,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: this is right, you know, so like and and then
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: and then when the cost is not a whole lot.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: And Nathaniel Low I don't know if I said it,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: but he's gonna make ten point seven this year, so
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: it's obviously that puts him high up there in the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: Tiger's bay roll if you were to be on the Tigers.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But it's like at a certain point, man, I just
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: I just want some dudes I know can play, and
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: then we can and then I have front office structure,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I have coaching staff structure to be able to figure
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: it out.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like, how.
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: So this comes back to like does the Tigers have
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: faith in Spencer Toorkle center or not? Because all their
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: words seem to be real lukewarm, but all their actions
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: are like it's hard. Just like Spencer Torkles is gonna
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: get four hundred plus a batsent year.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: It's hard to figure out. It's hard to figure out.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Lastly, just more of a fun exercise on this, but
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the Garrett Crochet trade, I wanted to see, like what
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: you thought?
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: And then uh, you know you.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Guys can on X at Cody Stavenhagen at Karan Underscore,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Stecley at Tiger Territory Underscore.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: Tell us like, would you do this straight now? Again?
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Not apples and apples, but the Boston Red Sox gave
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: up the number four, they're number five, the number eleven,
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  Speaker 1: and their number fourteen prospect for two years of Crochet.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously injury risk there, but also really really high high
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  Speaker 1: ceiling with that deal. Bryce Rainer, Jace Young, Troy Madden
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  Speaker 1: and Ty Madden, Troy Melton, Melton.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry I couldn't read my own head.
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  Speaker 1: Ruddy Troy Melton, Ty Madden, Bryce Rainer, Jace Young. How
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  Speaker 1: would you feel about that tray? Two years of Crochet?
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  Speaker 3: Man? That's a trade I would do in a video game.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if I do it in real life.
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  Speaker 4: Man Like Crochet is fun, think about it, Scooble Crochet,
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  Speaker 4: same rotation. At the same time, I think, given the
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  Speaker 4: perceived strength that Tiders have in the pitching department, it
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  Speaker 4: just doesn't quite make sense to me to give up
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  Speaker 4: that caliber of young assets, especially I think Bryce Rayner,
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  Speaker 4: who you're kind of hoping becomes your franchise shortstop, a
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  Speaker 4: position that has been a void for a long time
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  Speaker 4: around here. I think if you take Rayner out of
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  Speaker 4: that deal, I would do it, but then the White
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  Speaker 4: Sox probably wouldn't want.
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  Speaker 3: To do it. So that's where you run into trouble
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  Speaker 3: with these things.
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  Speaker 4: Really interesting idea, fun idea to add Crusad to this rotation.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure it's the best use of assets for
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  Speaker 4: the Tigers where they are right now.
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  Speaker 1: So the big headline for that trade was that the
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  Speaker 1: Red Sox didn't give up a quote unquote top three prospect. Technically,
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers like number one prospect right now is Jackson Joe,
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  Speaker 1: who is basically not a prospect anymore unless go back
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  Speaker 1: to our discussions about how the Tigers could use that
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  Speaker 1: butte for my mindset, he's not a prospect anymore. So
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  Speaker 1: that would make Rayner the third prospect, and that you
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  Speaker 1: could bump everybody up young Lorenzo Melton and and Ty Madden.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think you do that. I think you
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  Speaker 2: do that. So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: That just moves the numbers a little bit, so, uh,
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  Speaker 1: anything else before.
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  Speaker 2: We jet out of here.
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