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Jack Rozema | The Athletes of the 2024 CrossFit Games · Clydesdale Media Podcast

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  Hey, hey, still.
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  Let's go.
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  What's going on, everybody?
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  Welcome to the Clydesdale Media Podcast.
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  My name is Scott Switzer.
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  I'm the Clydesdale.
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  He is Jack Rosema, CrossFit Games rookie.
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  So pumped for you, man.
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  Congratulations.
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  Thank you.
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  Appreciate it.
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  So you competed at the Syndicate Crown.
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  We talked just before you
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  competed down there.
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  And I'm actually going to
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  share a reel that I made
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  about the statement you
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  made before you went in.
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  And it'll kind of set the
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  tone of where we are today.
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  All right.
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  Sounds good.
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  So with that, here we go.
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  Boom.
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  Uh-oh.
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  You got to click the little, yeah,
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  there you go.
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  Speaker button.
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  The top 15 at the games.
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  Um, I want to play stop 15 and get,
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  and then get invited and compete in rogue,
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  um, and Scotland this year.
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  So those are kind of my goals.
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  I mean, I just look at it as I'm in a good,
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  you know, I'm 28.
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  Like I said,
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  my training last year has been great.
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  Um, that's my goal.
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  I want to,
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  I want to go win every event
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  that I'm going to,
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  that I'm a part of and just
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  put the best version of my
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  skills and hard work, um,
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  and support system out there
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  and see what happens.
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  And so that being said, I don't,
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  I'm of the viewpoint that
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  whether I'm in the West
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  East or even Europe this year,
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  it looks the most stacked
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  when you just look at the
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  scores of all the semi-finals.
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  It doesn't matter what
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  semi-final and I'm gonna go
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  to the semi-final.
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  I'm gonna podium at the
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  semi-final or be close
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  enough to it to secure my
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  spot at the games.
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  And it doesn't matter where it is.
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  That's kind of my mindset.
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  So a lot of people after
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  that made comments that you
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  were pretty confident going in,
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  but it all came true so far.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, everything except podium,
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  making the podium at semifinals.
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  You threw that little like
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  or close enough to it.
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah,
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  I think I just – that was reflective
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  of like I knew I was – if I
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  executed the way that I really wanted to,
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  I knew it wouldn't really be like, oh,
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  he's – like, oh, I'm scratching,
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  just knocking at the door
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  at the 11th spot.
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  I knew that that was
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  probably not going to
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  happen if I executed to the level of –
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  what I did in testing,
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  I guess you could say,
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  and just how it was,
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  how my body was feeling
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  going into semi-finals and
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  just the preparation,
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  the hard work preparation
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  has been coming in.
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  It's not so much just random
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  confidence that I got out of nowhere.
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  It's the confidence that
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  I've gotten through a very,
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  very hard year of training and focus.
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  So that was where I came from.
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  So I think it turned out
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  when all was said and done, your region,
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  your, I guess, region,
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  probably was the most stacked.
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  Yeah.
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  When it came down to
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  semifinal scores as opposed
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  to quarterfinal scores.
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  Okay.
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  And I think you upped the skill,
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  you upped the weight,
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  and the East was probably
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  the most dominant around the world.
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  You go into the weekend –
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  And not bad start, but kind of slower,
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  and then you gain momentum
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  as the weekend went on.
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  Yeah.
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  Did you see that kind of
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  coming with the events the
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  way they lined up?
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  I definitely did.
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  I knew Sunday was going to be a good day.
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  I guess I just only know
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  that because of the last two workouts.
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  I knew the snatch ladder,
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  whether it's a lift or a complex,
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  is going to be good for me
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  or a ladder type thing.
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  And then workout six,
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  I just knew from testing, just watching.
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  And that was a good part.
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  I think that's what made the
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  East stronger as well.
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  We had two weeks of watching
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  the other events,
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  the other semifinals go.
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  But my testing in event six,
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  I just knew that it was
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  going to be sub 245,
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  probably closer to sub two,
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  probably closer to 230, which I did.
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  Because I knew if I just hit
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  the RPMs on the bike,
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  I knew I can do 15 ring
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  muscle ups unbroken, no problem,
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  even with a high heart rate,
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  and pick up the dumbbells
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  and don't drop them.
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  My grip wasn't even a factor
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  when I tested it.
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  So it was really just those
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  last two workouts, I was like,
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  I'm going to top five both
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  of those workouts.
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  So just points-wise,
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  there's a lot of points right there.
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  So the one I was most nervous about,
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  I would say,
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  is just the handstand walk one,
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  because I knew it was going
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  to come down to just pure
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  execution and handstand
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  walk speed in that.
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  And that's been a problem
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  for me in the past when it
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  comes to just handstand
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  walking next to a lot of
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  elite athletes that has
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  held me up in the past.
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  So I did not, like you said,
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  get the start I necessarily wanted to.
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  I came up way too hot on the
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  run on workout one and just
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  couldn't hold the pace.
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  A few guys passed me that
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  actually did execute it well.
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  And I was like a full minute
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  ahead of them after like
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  the first two rounds.
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  So, yeah.
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  That was,
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  and then my not great finish on
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  workout two that we just
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  talked about before we came on,
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  where I was feeling horrible after.
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  I knew that it was possible
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  to be where I finished.
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  I thought I,
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  obviously everyone has things
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  that they could have done
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  better afterwards,
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  but I knew that if I was
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  right around 10th going into event five,
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  it would all be,
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  it would be solid as long as I executed.
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  So before we went on the air,
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  you talked that event two
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  wrecked you pretty good.
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  Yeah.
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  And in addition to that,
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  your shoes came untied.
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  Yeah.
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  One question I ask a lot of
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  the athletes is you finished the weekend.
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  What did you learn to take
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  with you to the games or
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  take with you into training
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  leading up to the games?
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  For me, I think I learned everything.
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  even more so than just,
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  I have to stick to my
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  strategy and my pacings and
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  you're not going to be able
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  to test every workout.
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  Like we did,
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  obviously everyone going into
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  semifinals knew exactly how
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  they should pace them.
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  Um,
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  but I still think those first two
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  workouts, my first two rounds,
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  each workout was five rounds.
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  My first two rounds were
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  just too fast for my body to hold up and,
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  and stay at that pace other
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  than the obvious, um,
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  double knot your shoes and
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  make sure that they're as
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  tight as they possibly can
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  because that was annoying
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  but other than that I mean
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  it's just the what I
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  learned is based on my
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  experience doing events and
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  what my coaches have to say
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  about that event and how I
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  should pace it I just
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  really need to stick to
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  that game plan knowing that
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  even if it's coming out a
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  little slower than I would
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  like to it's going to end
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  up with a better finish
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  because I stuck to my
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  strategy and I was able to
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  to be more in the realm of
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  like a negative split
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  versus coming out hot and
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  then just trying to hang on,
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  which historically didn't
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  go well for me that weekend
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  with the first two workouts.
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  So just trusting in the plan
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  and buying into your
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  strategy and your plan.
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  We've talked before about
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  you being a mayhem athlete.
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  Who is your specific coach?
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  uh I would say jake locker
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  is like my actual specific
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  coach he's who I talk with
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  the most um a lot on a
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  one-on-one basis so jake is
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  so what kind of I mean that
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  dude's been to the games a
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  lot with athletes what
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  confidence does it give you
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  that your coach has been
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  there several times leading
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  up to the games yeah it's
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  definitely it's definitely a lot like uh
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  I didn't have that initially,
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  like in my first couple
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  years in the sport,
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  because I just never really
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  bought into one specific
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  programming or thought that
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  I necessarily needed a
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  coach because for one reason or another,
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  I just thought that it
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  wasn't necessary for me at the time.
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  And that probably was the
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  wrong line of thinking.
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  If I would have maybe gotten
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  a coach earlier,
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  maybe just would have been
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  small increments of improvement.
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  packed closer together in time.
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  So it's definitely,
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  it's a lot of confidence
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  knowing that it's just not you.
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  It's not just you going into it.
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  You got a lot of people in
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  your corner that can see
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  things that you don't,
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  that know and have seen
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  athletes that have similar
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  strengths and weaknesses
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  and tendencies in your shoes in the past,
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  and this is what they did.
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  And it's just, you know,
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  if you want to go fast, go alone.
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  But if you want to go far,
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  go together type thing,
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  like I fully believe in that.
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  So for sure.
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  So that's a great segue to
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  something I want to talk about,
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  but I want to finish up with,
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  what have you noticed
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  difference in the
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  programming now that you're
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  games training?
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  You know, we hear all this like,
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  and I love games training, or man,
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  games training is really hard.
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  What have you seen as the difference?
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  It's really not that different.
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  Like I,
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  I honestly don't see much of a
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  difference other than just maybe,
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  maybe like a little bit
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  more total volume across
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  the week because you're
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  just getting ready to do 12
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  to 15 events in a weekend
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  versus six events in a weekend.
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  So it's really just getting
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  acclimated to a little bit
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  higher volume and maybe a
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  little bit more odd object stuff because,
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  you know, maybe something like a,
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  like the parallel bars might
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  come into more,
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  might come into play at the game,
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  something like a flip sled or a pig.
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  And then you know that now
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  we know for sure that
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  there's going to be a swimming event,
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  which you know there's not
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  going to be a swimming event in semis.
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  So just those couple of
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  different differences like that.
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  come up and but 95 of it is
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  just doing what got you
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  there continuing to do it a
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  little bit better um from
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  just a focus and optimize
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  like make sure I'm warming
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  up and cooling down and
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  mobilizing and sleeping as
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  much as I possibly can like
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  just trying to make
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  everything fire on all
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  cylinders even more so but
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  it's not changing a whole
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  lot of content itself so
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  when I think I've told you
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  this before growing up I was a swimmer
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  Right.
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  Swimming and wrestling were
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  in the same season when I grew up.
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  Yeah.
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  And if you were a good swimmer,
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  you were a really shitty
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  wrestler and vice versa.
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  Yeah.
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  How is your swimming?
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  My swimming historically has
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  not been great.
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  So I've been doing a lot.
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  Just a lot of reps,
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  a lot of volume to change that.
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  Luckily,
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  there's one of the females that
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  just came here to Fort Knox
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  to be on the fitness team as well.
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  She swam at West Point.
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  Her name is Marie Docken.
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  So having a collegiate level
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  swimmer be able to help me.
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  And we've gone to the pool a
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  few times and just worked on things.
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  efficiency things and
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  breathing things and just
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  uh different things like
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  that so just taking
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  advantage of the resources
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  and friends that I have to
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  get better as much as I can
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  so I'm looking for I'm
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  looking forward to it like
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  when in the past I would be
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  uh really apprehensive to
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  do it but I know now I'm
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  more confident that now
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  that what it looks like is
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  a run going into the swim that I can run
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  significantly harder than I
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  would in the past and still
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  feel comfortable to just
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  dump it to just jump in the
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  water and start swimming so
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  well I'm excited to see how
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  much better I feel even
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  than like wadapalooza back
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  in january um because
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  during that swim event I
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  didn't do very well either
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  so it's it's just something
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  just something I'll keep working on
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  What I find interesting
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  about the way this one is lined up,
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  and we don't have a lot of details,
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  but speculation is it's
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  going to be a pretty decent
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  run before you get to the swim.
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  Yeah.
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  If you just look at the map
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  of the lake and kind of how it's set up,
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  that's a lot of running
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  before you swimming under
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  fatigue is different than
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  swimming yeah and I don't
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  think like everybody
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  watching understands that
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  yeah like when you dive in
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  fresh it's a different ball
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  game than running three and
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  a half miles say and then
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  begin to swim for sure do
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  you do anything at the when
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  you go do pool work where
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  you try to get your heart
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  rate up before you dive in
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  Not a whole lot.
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  Just like I'm kind of limited to that.
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  They don't really let you
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  bring equipment into the
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  pool here at Fort Knox.
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  It's kind of like the only
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  one I have access to.
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  So, I mean,
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  you can do stuff like air squats,
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  a bunch of pushups and air squats,
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  jumping air squats,
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  something to try to tire your legs out.
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  But luckily, I mean,
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  I'm planning on going to
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  train some more mayhem here in July.
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  So I'll undoubtedly do a few
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  run swims that are all outside.
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  So I'll just I'll keep doing
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  I'll keep doing what I can.
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  Yeah.
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  As a former swimmer, that's my tip.
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  Get that heart rate up and
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  learn how to breathe under
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  fatigue in the water.
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  That's the key because that
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  keeps panic down and then
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  your stroke doesn't suffer because of it.
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  Yeah.
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  Yep.
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  Will do.
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  So the other event that's
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  been announced is Chad.
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  Thoughts on that at all?
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  I mean, not really.
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  I'm more so curious now that
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  Dave has also said
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  something essentially
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  saying it's not going to
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  just be Chad straight 1,000 through.
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  There'll be some whatever
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  twist or whatever he said.
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  So I'm just more so curious
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  to hear what the twists are
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  and what will make it different.
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  I think it's a terribly
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  boring event to watch,
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  but I think that's kind of
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  the point why Dave
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  programmed it because he was like,
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  I know that there's going
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  to be this backlash and I
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  kind of like it.
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  So I think he'll...
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  I think he kind of got a
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  little bit out of that
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  programming in the games.
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  But I think it'll be
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  interesting for sure that
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  it'll be the event on
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  Saturday right before the cuts.
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  Yeah.
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  And I think...
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  dave has said repeatedly
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  that he likes the mental
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  test that it brings and
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  when you put it right on
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  the cut day that's even
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  more mental to it yeah and
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  I think that that that's
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  just typical dave like he
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  there's there's a theme to
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  what he wants to accomplish
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  with that workout and it's
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  going to be high stress
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  yeah mental struggle can
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  you can you dig deep
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  Yeah, and after doing six,
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  you probably won't be
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  feeling great after doing
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  six events already before that.
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  So it's different than doing it fresh,
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  but yeah.
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  So you mentioned earlier
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  about going farther together.
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  Mayhem had a slew.
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  I don't even know if that's
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  the right term.
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  Bigger than slew of athletes
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  at North America East.
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  And a lot of people qualified for Mayhem.
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  What's it like being a part
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  of that team that...
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  That's having success.
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  And then you, but in addition,
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  because there were so many,
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  there's a handful on the
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  other side of the cut line as well.
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  Yeah,
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  it was a little bittersweet in that
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  because I knew Dre, I knew Seth,
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  I knew Tyler Christoffel.
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  We became good friends too.
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  So it's hard to.
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  it's hard to like see that happen,
• 15:12
  know that.
• 15:12
  And basically we knew that
• 15:13
  going in with the few guys
• 15:15
  that were going to be at
• 15:16
  the top of non mayhem
• 15:17
  athletes that we were going
• 15:19
  to basically steal spots from each other.
• 15:21
  But I think it's obviously
• 15:23
  just speaks to the culture
• 15:24
  and the quality of,
• 15:25
  of the community that they have there,
• 15:27
  that we're all right there in that,
• 15:29
  in that space.
• 15:31
  But I love, I mean, my vet,
• 15:33
  like their faith family
• 15:34
  fitness service values are
• 15:35
  what my values are too.
• 15:36
  So I can't think of just a
• 15:37
  better place to be,
• 15:40
  affiliated with and be a part of.
• 15:42
  And so that was always my
• 15:44
  mindset going into the last
• 15:46
  season was I'm going to
• 15:48
  just fully buy into what
• 15:49
  they're doing and what they
• 15:50
  have to offer and see what
• 15:51
  it does and see what it
• 15:52
  does for me individually.
• 15:53
  And if it if it works out good,
• 15:55
  then I know that I made the
• 15:57
  right decision,
• 15:58
  which it seems like I did.
• 15:59
  So it's it's just a more
• 16:02
  it's just a testament to
• 16:03
  what they have and the kind
• 16:04
  of people that they attract
• 16:06
  in that in that environment.
• 16:08
  Yeah,
• 16:09
  your heart just breaks for someone
• 16:10
  like Tyler who has been at
• 16:12
  that cut line or whatever
• 16:14
  you want to call it so many times.
• 16:17
  But if anybody digs into faith, it's him,
• 16:20
  right?
• 16:21
  And so that you just pray is
• 16:24
  what gets him through these
• 16:25
  times and back at it.
• 16:27
  But that workout, Boz developed it.
• 16:32
  And I don't know how much testing was done,
• 16:34
  but it ate up a lot of
• 16:35
  people and some people thrived in it.
• 16:38
  And the leaderboard changed
• 16:40
  a lot in every region based on that,
• 16:43
  that dumbbell lunge.
• 16:44
  Yeah.
• 16:45
  Yep.
• 16:46
  No doubt.
• 16:47
  No doubt there.
• 16:49
  Jake Chapman chimes in.
• 16:51
  Do you think it'll be cuts during Chad?
• 16:53
  So like bottom 10 or cut it
• 16:54
  to 50 reps next 10 at 500,
• 16:57
  another 10 at seven 50.
• 16:58
  I don't know.
• 17:01
  I don't, I don't know.
• 17:04
  I don't think I get it.
• 17:05
  And I get what he's saying now.
• 17:06
  No, I don't think it'll,
• 17:08
  I think it'll be just 10
• 17:10
  after the whole workout.
• 17:12
  Yeah,
• 17:12
  I think everybody will do the whole
• 17:14
  workout.
• 17:15
  One,
• 17:16
  you don't want to embarrass anybody
• 17:17
  during a workout and have
• 17:19
  their game season end.
• 17:22
  The other thing is Dave is
• 17:24
  very big about the mistake
• 17:27
  he keeps quoting is when
• 17:29
  Tia almost finished a
• 17:31
  workout in the first round
• 17:32
  and everybody else went three or four.
• 17:35
  She did two minutes of work.
• 17:36
  Everybody else did nine.
• 17:38
  That was unfair.
• 17:39
  Yeah.
• 17:40
  Yeah.
• 17:40
  And I think this is in the
• 17:42
  reverse and the winners
• 17:44
  would be the ones doing the most work.
• 17:46
  Why would you penalize?
• 17:48
  Why would you penalize the best for,
• 17:52
  for making it the furthest?
• 17:54
  Yeah.
• 17:54
  Yeah.
• 17:54
  It's an interesting question.
• 17:55
  Like it'd be, it's funny.
• 17:57
  It's fun to talk about, but yeah,
• 17:58
  I don't think it'll be,
• 17:58
  I don't think that's what
• 17:59
  will actually happen.
• 18:03
  but I have no idea what the twist is.
• 18:05
  And I think,
• 18:07
  I think Dave is half of his hints are,
• 18:10
  are bogus anyway.
• 18:12
  Yeah, for sure.
• 18:13
  He just likes to stir the
• 18:14
  pot of get people guessing stuff.
• 18:18
  So you got to,
• 18:19
  you got your interview done with Dave.
• 18:22
  What was,
• 18:23
  was there any nerves or anything
• 18:24
  about going live with Dave?
• 18:26
  No, not really.
• 18:27
  No, I mean, I don't,
• 18:29
  I don't really get nerves
• 18:30
  talking about stuff like that.
• 18:33
  It was fun.
• 18:35
  I'd never talked to him for that long,
• 18:37
  I guess.
• 18:38
  I'd seen him a few times here and there.
• 18:40
  I think we had a conversation.
• 18:41
  It was last year at the West
• 18:43
  just about the military in general.
• 18:45
  It was a very short,
• 18:46
  few-minute conversation.
• 18:48
  I think it's funny how he –
• 18:49
  I don't know if he just has –
• 18:53
  a lot going on and maybe a
• 18:54
  bad memory when he talks to people,
• 18:56
  or if he,
• 18:56
  it's intentional that he like
• 18:57
  comes on and acts like it's
• 18:59
  his first time talking to
• 19:00
  every single athlete.
• 19:01
  He knows absolutely nothing about them,
• 19:03
  but I think I, I think it was fun.
• 19:04
  I think that was funny, but.
• 19:07
  I, I,
• 19:10
  I think it's authentic.
• 19:12
  I think especially if you
• 19:13
  run into him at an event,
• 19:15
  he has so many things going
• 19:16
  through his mind that
• 19:18
  nothing's going to stick.
• 19:20
  Everything's just going to
• 19:21
  be a surface conversation.
• 19:23
  And it doesn't mean he's not
• 19:24
  genuine in that conversation.
• 19:26
  I think the capacity to hold
• 19:28
  in more info is not there.
• 19:30
  Yeah, you're probably right.
• 19:34
  For him,
• 19:35
  that's his Super Bowl or playoff game,
• 19:38
  and he wants to make sure
• 19:39
  it's all going as smooth as possible.
• 19:41
  Yeah, definitely.
• 19:45
  I'm most curious to see what
• 19:47
  the events on the football
• 19:48
  field is going to be,
• 19:50
  whether it'll be one event
• 19:52
  on the field or one event
• 19:54
  around the track.
• 19:54
  I hope there's
• 19:56
  I just hope that there's
• 19:57
  something exciting going on there,
• 19:59
  like a sprint or a hurdle
• 20:02
  that they've had in the
• 20:02
  past or something like that.
• 20:05
  Yeah, I don't know.
• 20:08
  I hope it's exciting.
• 20:09
  It's primetime on ESPN.
• 20:12
  It's open to the public so
• 20:13
  everybody can come in.
• 20:14
  You want it to be like a
• 20:15
  rock star event that people
• 20:18
  can easily follow and be
• 20:20
  able to cheer for people
• 20:22
  and understand who's winning,
• 20:23
  all of that kind of stuff.
• 20:25
  Early on in the games, like 2010,
• 20:26
  they had an event where it
• 20:30
  was like a – it was a
• 20:32
  moderate barbell cycling,
• 20:34
  and then you had to run a 400.
• 20:36
  So you'd, like, go on the field,
• 20:38
  do your barbell,
• 20:39
  run around the track once, come back in.
• 20:41
  And I thought that was
• 20:43
  really cool back – and that was 2010.
• 20:45
  Dave loves to throw back, right?
• 20:47
  Yeah.
• 20:48
  Yeah.
• 20:49
  And you have it all again,
• 20:51
  so hopefully it's – Yeah, for sure.
• 20:55
  Yeah.
• 20:57
  Um, but anyways,
• 20:58
  did you learn anything from Dave?
• 21:00
  I know some people, uh,
• 21:02
  I think it was down pepper
• 21:03
  said that he watches them
• 21:05
  with an athlete's
• 21:06
  perspective just to see if
• 21:08
  there's like a hint, a tweak,
• 21:11
  something here or there
• 21:12
  that you can pick up on.
• 21:14
  Um, no, I, I guess I didn't really,
• 21:16
  I didn't try to pick up
• 21:17
  anything like that.
• 21:18
  No.
• 21:20
  I was more curious about his
• 21:22
  reaction when I asked him
• 21:23
  about the swim event because I said,
• 21:25
  what is the swim event?
• 21:27
  And he said,
• 21:28
  you'll just have to wait and see.
• 21:29
  So I thought he was talking
• 21:30
  about the event that was
• 21:32
  released that week that he
• 21:34
  said was going to be
• 21:34
  released that ended up being Chad.
• 21:36
  So I thought when he said
• 21:37
  that it was going to be the swim event,
• 21:39
  which it wasn't.
• 21:39
  So like you said,
• 21:41
  I think he just – I think he likes to –
• 21:45
  act more like mysterious and
• 21:47
  with the with the the clues
• 21:48
  that actually don't mean
• 21:49
  anything and they're not
• 21:50
  actual clues like so I
• 21:52
  don't I don't really try to
• 21:53
  like decide one way or
• 21:54
  another because I don't
• 21:55
  think I'm going to be right
• 21:56
  in the end anyway so it
• 21:57
  doesn't doesn't matter yeah
• 22:00
  I think they said last
• 22:01
  night on the spin austin
• 22:02
  hatfield's interview austin
• 22:04
  said he can't he's not good
• 22:05
  at swimming yeah and then
• 22:07
  dave said you're gonna love event one
• 22:11
  Oh, did he really?
• 22:12
  Swim.
• 22:13
  That's pretty clear.
• 22:16
  So you can only believe part
• 22:18
  of what he says.
• 22:20
  Yeah,
• 22:20
  and I think maybe he's being more
• 22:23
  direct as the athlete
• 22:24
  interviews keep progressing
• 22:26
  on and it gets closer to
• 22:27
  the games because I think
• 22:29
  that was – I think it was –
• 22:31
  was it Victoria Campos'
• 22:33
  interview when he said when
• 22:35
  Chad was going to be
• 22:36
  which wasn't like prior information.
• 22:38
  And I think it was when he
• 22:39
  was interviewing her that he was like,
• 22:41
  it will be event seven on Saturday.
• 22:43
  So it's like,
• 22:44
  I think just as we get closer
• 22:45
  to the games,
• 22:46
  he's being more and more
• 22:47
  direct about what stuff will be.
• 22:50
  I think he's getting more
• 22:51
  relaxed too about, you know,
• 22:53
  if you don't interview people every day,
• 22:55
  that's a new, new skill to learn.
• 22:58
  And now he's 50 or 60 in.
• 23:00
  Yeah.
• 23:01
  Yeah.
• 23:02
  Sure.
• 23:03
  At it.
• 23:03
  Right.
• 23:03
  Yeah.
• 23:05
  Yeah, for sure.
• 23:06
  For sure.
• 23:08
  so I want to finish up with
• 23:10
  uh in in the video we
• 23:11
  played at the top of the
• 23:12
  show you declared you're
• 23:14
  going for top 15 at the
• 23:16
  games still the goal yeah
• 23:20
  yeah I would say so um
• 23:23
  Like, I just, I feel like that's,
• 23:26
  I don't know,
• 23:27
  a good number to kind of
• 23:28
  shoot for your rookie year.
• 23:30
  So I don't want to go there.
• 23:32
  I certainly don't want to
• 23:32
  get cut on Saturday or going into Sunday.
• 23:36
  So I want to be able to
• 23:38
  compete the whole weekend
• 23:39
  and finish strong.
• 23:40
  And if I do those things,
• 23:41
  that should be where I end up,
• 23:44
  if not a little better.
• 23:45
  So I think I'll,
• 23:46
  I think I've been taking the next,
• 23:48
  I think I've been taking
• 23:49
  June and July with a good
• 23:51
  headspace and a good plan.
• 23:53
  with the people behind me.
• 23:54
  So I think it's,
• 23:55
  if all goes well going into the games,
• 23:59
  then I think that's where I'll end up.
• 24:03
  I had a talk with Ariel
• 24:04
  Lowen yesterday who was
• 24:06
  named captain at FitFest in the UK.
• 24:10
  You have Waterpalooza SoCal
• 24:13
  now that's doing a North
• 24:14
  America versus the world.
• 24:16
  FitFest is doing Europe versus the world.
• 24:18
  The higher you finish at the games,
• 24:20
  the more likely these
• 24:22
  opportunities are going to
• 24:23
  pop up for things like that.
• 24:25
  For sure.
• 24:25
  You're still being active duty.
• 24:28
  Would you be able to take advantage?
• 24:30
  Because you've said you want
• 24:31
  to go to Rogue Scotland.
• 24:32
  Yeah.
• 24:33
  But then these other things
• 24:34
  could pop up where you
• 24:35
  could be on Team North
• 24:36
  America or Team World at the UK.
• 24:39
  Would you be able to take
• 24:40
  advantage of those opportunities?
• 24:42
  I think most likely, yeah,
• 24:43
  if they did present
• 24:44
  themselves and it made
• 24:46
  sense that it was something
• 24:47
  that I wanted to compete in.
• 24:48
  I think the situation that I
• 24:51
  have right now is pretty –
• 24:55
  it's pretty good and
• 24:56
  flexible and leadership was
• 24:57
  understanding that like,
• 24:58
  if those events came up, then it would,
• 24:59
  I would logistically be
• 25:00
  able to figure it out.
• 25:01
  Yeah.
• 25:01
  So, and that's part of it too.
• 25:03
  Like that's part of that
• 25:04
  goal to finish high is just,
• 25:06
  is just present more
• 25:07
  opportunities for myself to
• 25:08
  get better in the sport.
• 25:09
  So that's what I'm,
• 25:10
  that's what I'm trying to do.
• 25:14
  Why is it important Rogue Scotland?
• 25:16
  Is Scotland a place you've
• 25:17
  always wanted to go to?
• 25:18
  Yeah,
• 25:19
  I think just I've always been like
• 25:20
  last year,
• 25:21
  I put 100% effort into the
• 25:23
  Rogue Invitational
• 25:24
  Qualifier because I really wanted to go.
• 25:26
  They just run an awesome event.
• 25:28
  And I was just I was like
• 25:29
  two or three spots, I think,
• 25:30
  out of getting out of
• 25:31
  getting invited from the qualifier.
• 25:33
  So it's just been a goal of
• 25:34
  mine because they run a great event.
• 25:36
  Rogue seems to go over the
• 25:37
  top of everything they do.
• 25:38
  And then just the added the
• 25:40
  added perk of traveling overseas for it.
• 25:44
  Yeah, for sure.
• 25:46
  We wanted to get them anyway
• 25:48
  so that we had them,
• 25:48
  but I've had my passport for a little bit,
• 25:50
  but it was kind of just
• 25:51
  like that little extra push.
• 25:54
  Like my wife and my daughters,
• 25:55
  we got them passports like
• 25:56
  last month kind of in anticipation.
• 25:59
  I mean,
• 25:59
  we want to go like vacation to
• 26:00
  Mexico eventually and just
• 26:02
  like other things like that.
• 26:03
  But it's kind of like put a
• 26:05
  little more onus on me even
• 26:06
  more so to try to qualify
• 26:07
  for Rogue because it's like, hey,
• 26:08
  now there's literally
• 26:09
  nothing stopping us from
• 26:10
  taking like a family trip
• 26:11
  there as well if I qualify
• 26:14
  because we got the passports,
• 26:15
  we're ready to go.
• 26:16
  All right.
• 26:18
  Truly last question.
• 26:19
  Kid Fest and SoCal are like exhibitions,
• 26:23
  right?
• 26:23
  It's not a competition to win.
• 26:27
  How hard is it to go do an
• 26:28
  event like that and turn
• 26:29
  off the gas pedal?
• 26:33
  I've yet.
• 26:33
  So, I mean,
• 26:34
  that's a good that's a good question.
• 26:35
  I've yet to go into a
• 26:36
  competition where I'm like,
• 26:38
  I'm just here to have fun
• 26:41
  as an exhibition.
• 26:42
  Like even Guadalupe, the last two years,
• 26:44
  especially this past January,
• 26:45
  like I was going there like
• 26:47
  I tapered a little bit.
• 26:49
  I guess I don't I didn't.
• 26:51
  Pete for it the same way I did semis,
• 26:52
  but I definitely wasn't like, ah,
• 26:54
  this is just an off-season competition.
• 26:56
  It was like, no,
• 26:56
  I'm traveling from Kentucky
• 26:59
  to Miami to compete,
• 27:01
  so I'm not just going to do
• 27:02
  and spend the whole week there,
• 27:04
  be away from my girls and
• 27:05
  everything like that just
• 27:07
  to go there and compete for fun.
• 27:11
  I'm always trying to have fun,
• 27:12
  but it's like I...
• 27:13
  I don't know.
• 27:15
  It's still up in the air of
• 27:16
  whether I'll do an
• 27:17
  off-season competition like that,
• 27:19
  like one of the
• 27:20
  Waterpaloozas or anything like that.
• 27:22
  I can't really answer that question.
• 27:23
  I don't know what it's like
• 27:24
  to just go there and just wing it,
• 27:26
  I guess, for lack of a better word.
• 27:28
  I think there are other
• 27:29
  people who can't turn it
• 27:30
  off either and probably
• 27:31
  give everything they have
• 27:32
  even during an exhibition.
• 27:34
  Yeah.
• 27:34
  Right.
• 27:35
  I think that's,
• 27:35
  I think that sounds good in theory.
• 27:37
  Like that's what you're
• 27:38
  going to do going there.
• 27:39
  And all the way up to like three, two,
• 27:41
  one go,
• 27:41
  you're not taking it as serious as
• 27:43
  you would,
• 27:44
  but then once it actually starts,
• 27:45
  you're going to,
• 27:46
  you're going to give a
• 27:46
  hundred percent during the workout.
• 27:47
  So yeah, no,
• 27:49
  we'll see what the next season holds.
• 27:51
  young rogue is in my neck of
• 27:53
  the woods stay here for a
• 27:55
  while Aberdeen sucks but
• 27:57
  Scotland is beautiful
• 27:58
  Aberdeen sucks I think just
• 28:00
  yeah Scotland that area
• 28:02
  Scotland my family has a
• 28:03
  little bit of like Irish
• 28:04
  roots so I definitely want
• 28:05
  to go visit Ireland one day
• 28:07
  so I've just and I've never
• 28:09
  been across the Atlantic
• 28:10
  Ocean so just anything like
• 28:11
  that would be a
• 28:12
  once-in-a-lifetime trip to
• 28:14
  be able to do so
• 28:16
  All right, well,
• 28:17
  I promised you 30 minutes.
• 28:18
  We're at the 28 and 20 mark.
• 28:20
  My man, good work.
• 28:21
  I did it.
• 28:23
  That is so hard for me,
• 28:25
  but thank you so much for doing this,
• 28:26
  Jack.
• 28:26
  Of course.
• 28:27
  Good luck at the games.
• 28:28
  I got my plane ticket.
• 28:30
  I've got my hotel.
• 28:31
  I just don't have my media credentials yet,
• 28:33
  but hopefully those come in
• 28:34
  the next day or two.
• 28:36
  I was going to say,
• 28:37
  I think that those will, yeah.
• 28:38
  I've seen a little bit about that,
• 28:40
  just the controversy with that.
• 28:41
  So hopefully you can get one secured.
• 28:45
  Yeah.
• 28:45
  Well, good luck down there,
• 28:46
  and hopefully we'll see you in Texas,
• 28:48
  man.
• 28:48
  Yep.
• 28:48
  Sounds good, bro.
• 28:49
  Thanks.
• 28:50
  See you later.
• 28:50
  Best of your day, man.
• 28:51
  You too.
• 28:52
  Bye.