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- 0:00Speaker 1: It's almost Alex Jones plays an nostrodamus role when it
- 0:04Speaker 1: comes to the militarization of the police and squat teams.
- 0:09Speaker 2: Gain you in its.
- 0:16Speaker 3: Under the Dogs, Yeah, under the Dogs, very we're breaking
- 0:22Speaker 3: the looks funny. You could they erase all the shots
- 0:27Speaker 3: they got the dogs, Under the Dogs, under the ducks.
- 0:33Speaker 4: Yeah, under the Dogs, Under the Dogs.
- 1:00Speaker 2: This is under the docs. I'm Sean Chris.
- 1:04Speaker 5: And I guess I'm paranoid American yet again.
- 1:08Speaker 1: Police State two thousand a nineteen ninety nine film directed
- 1:12Speaker 1: by Alex Jones and narrated by Alex Jones. This is
- 1:18Speaker 1: a great introduction for everybody to who Alex Jones is.
- 1:22Speaker 1: He really, his character, his demeanor, how he speaks, his
- 1:28Speaker 1: guerrilla journalism, it's pretty much to me, the essence of
- 1:33Speaker 1: what documentary conspiracy films are now.
- 1:36Speaker 2: He it was the catalyst of all of this.
- 1:38Speaker 1: He was on the front lines really pushing this before
- 1:41Speaker 1: the Internet was really really big, and he's one of
- 1:44Speaker 1: the first huge like internet stars we have. And in
- 1:48Speaker 1: this he analyzes what civil liberties are being taken away
- 1:54Speaker 1: the police and swap teams kind of amping up as
- 1:58Speaker 1: military with equipment, man and vehicles, such and such.
- 2:03Speaker 2: I think this one is going to be right up
- 2:06Speaker 2: our alley.
- 2:08Speaker 5: I would argue that this is how Alex Jones was
- 2:11Speaker 5: and not is, because there's a stark difference. Watching this
- 2:15Speaker 5: right This is actually, I think originally recorded in ninety eight.
- 2:19Speaker 5: It came out in around two thousand, but it was
- 2:21Speaker 5: ninety eight and Alex Jones in twenty twenty five. You
- 2:24Speaker 5: can see it's an entirely different person in some ways.
- 2:28Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, not just how he looks, but the way
- 2:33Speaker 1: he's talking and his viewpoints have changed quite a bit well.
- 2:38Speaker 5: And I think this is probably a great intro to
- 2:41Speaker 5: someone that's never seen Alex Jones. Instead of going right
- 2:45Speaker 5: to whatever the YouTube clips are, whatever the memes are
- 2:48Speaker 5: about gay frogs and all of that. This is like
- 2:51Speaker 5: the most og version of him, unless you get into
- 2:55Speaker 5: his public access station where he was kind of finding
- 2:58Speaker 5: his footing. But this one particular, and I think that
- 3:01Speaker 5: this might have even been the first Alex Jones documentary
- 3:05Speaker 5: I'd ever seen this one Right here, Police Stay two thousand.
- 3:09Speaker 1: And In the film, he argues that we're heading toward totalitarianism,
- 3:13Speaker 1: totalitarianism that's fueled by government surveillance. Media control and you know,
- 3:20Speaker 1: grantedly small, slowly taken away several liberties.
- 3:23Speaker 5: Yeah, that's kind of just crazy. Wa I could do
- 3:26Speaker 5: conspiracy talk none of that. Whatever happened.
- 3:35Speaker 2: Plotting the course.
- 3:38Speaker 1: That he kind of paints a picture of a dystopian
- 3:40Speaker 1: a dystopian government takeover, like I said earlier, totalitarianism, and
- 3:47Speaker 1: how the police force is actually changing in America. And
- 3:50Speaker 1: he makes some pretty crazy claims. And one of the
- 3:53Speaker 1: claims is the psychological and actual military tactical exercises. He
- 4:01Speaker 1: speaks about Delta Force conducting various military exercises, including anti
- 4:06Speaker 1: terrorism drills in Kingsville, Texas, Oakland, California, Alice, Texas, to
- 4:12Speaker 1: name a few. He also speaks about a couple that
- 4:14Speaker 1: were in Maryland as well, and he goes through Now
- 4:16Speaker 1: only I want to say, it's not just a claim.
- 4:19Speaker 1: He actually shows footage. And this is like where I
- 4:22Speaker 1: go with the gorilla journalism, where he actually has people
- 4:25Speaker 1: out there with like some big old nineties camquarders and
- 4:29Speaker 1: actually getting footage of this.
- 4:32Speaker 5: Yeah. Get this one's a little bit different because it's
- 4:35Speaker 5: not so much making claims, it's showing you the footage
- 4:39Speaker 5: that he's getting him and some amateur for you know,
- 4:44Speaker 5: camera people that he reminds you as you're watching it,
- 4:46Speaker 5: and he's like, remember, this is some amateur camera. They
- 4:49Speaker 5: don't know what they're doing, you know, Like this guy
- 4:52Speaker 5: turned off the camera. He wasn't supposed to. But it's
- 4:54Speaker 5: the claims are more about what we're seeing and what
- 4:58Speaker 5: like the reason why it's happening, not so much that
- 5:00Speaker 5: it's happening, because clearly the footage shows that it's happening.
- 5:04Speaker 5: He's got interviews with other police chiefs that are saying, oh, yeah,
- 5:08Speaker 5: they're trying to do that, or they did it and
- 5:10Speaker 5: I told him not to, or in some cases they're
- 5:12Speaker 5: going along with it and they tell them get the
- 5:14Speaker 5: hell out of here.
- 5:15Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the interesting part and great how he
- 5:19Speaker 1: kind of like got to actually not just the footage,
- 5:22Speaker 1: but like.
- 5:22Speaker 2: You said, he got his way into a lot of places.
- 5:25Speaker 4: Right.
- 5:25Speaker 1: It's the beginning of where we see in squirm his
- 5:28Speaker 1: way into places maybe he shouldn't be and his charismatic
- 5:32Speaker 1: way of going around and asking questions in kind of
- 5:36Speaker 1: like a blunt way but kind of.
- 5:40Speaker 2: Pretending to be respectful.
- 5:41Speaker 5: I guess know when those conflicts are about to happen too,
- 5:46Speaker 5: because he'll be asking questions and then you'll ask sort
- 5:49Speaker 5: of a tough question, kind of like hey, are you
- 5:51Speaker 5: getting any government funding for participating in this? And then
- 5:54Speaker 5: you'll see the demeanor change of whoever he's talking to,
- 5:58Speaker 5: and the very first question is usually like who are
- 6:01Speaker 5: you with? Where are you from? And then you already
- 6:04Speaker 5: know that the person that he's talking to has either
- 6:08Speaker 5: claimed up already or is becoming antagonistic. They're gonna the
- 6:12Speaker 5: next few words are gonna be like circuit out of
- 6:14Speaker 5: the building.
- 6:16Speaker 1: Now'll go with the second claim. What I came up
- 6:18Speaker 1: with was public communication. A lot of these exercises weren't
- 6:23Speaker 1: properly in the public wasn't informed about them, maybe loosely,
- 6:28Speaker 1: or there was like a little briefing, or maybe the
- 6:30Speaker 1: police chief and his fellow officers were aware of this,
- 6:34Speaker 1: but in many of these exercises, the public was not
- 6:37Speaker 1: made aware that Delta Force would be conducting anti terrorism exercises,
- 6:43Speaker 1: sometimes with actual gunfire and explosions and power outages. So
- 6:49Speaker 1: the public is kind of left in this like weird
- 6:51Speaker 1: state of what is going on.
- 6:53Speaker 2: Like you call the police, like.
- 6:54Speaker 1: Hey man, there's a automatic rifle fire in my backyard
- 7:00Speaker 1: or twenty yards away, and in many cases they were
- 7:03Speaker 1: also told they're not even allowed to leave their yards
- 7:05Speaker 1: or they could be arrested.
- 7:08Speaker 5: Well, this is part of the craziest I guess, not
- 7:12Speaker 5: even acclaim. But we see some men on the street
- 7:14Speaker 5: style interviews and one of those places that they're doing
- 7:18Speaker 5: these exercises with Delta Force, black helicopters, flash bangs, they're
- 7:24Speaker 5: showing the buildings. Afterward, the buildings are entirely scorched, all
- 7:28Speaker 5: the windows have been smashed up, and within twenty four
- 7:31Speaker 5: hours they're already hiring people to board it up and
- 7:34Speaker 5: paint it and kind of eliminate any evidence that this
- 7:37Speaker 5: ever occurred. But one of the places that they picked,
- 7:40Speaker 5: and it seems most of them would be in kind
- 7:42Speaker 5: of remote areas that aren't already gonna have a whole
- 7:45Speaker 5: bunch of traffic, have a small old community. One of
- 7:48Speaker 5: them was right across the street from a retirement home.
- 7:51Speaker 5: And like you mentioned, they don't give you four warning.
- 7:55Speaker 5: They didn't go and say, oh, by the way, everyone,
- 7:57Speaker 5: before you go out into the yard and do whatever
- 7:59Speaker 5: you're gonna do, shuffle board, there's gonna be a Delta
- 8:03Speaker 5: Force exercise where people are gonna be repelling down from
- 8:06Speaker 5: helicopters and firing automatic weapons and throwing grid like, none
- 8:10Speaker 5: of that really gets conveyed to the community. And then,
- 8:13Speaker 5: in fact, one of them mentioned, oh, we wouldn't want
- 8:16Speaker 5: to do that because then we'd get an audience and
- 8:18Speaker 5: people would be here. And he almost didn't say directly,
- 8:22Speaker 5: he almost implied that, oh, then the press will show up.
- 8:25Speaker 5: And it's kind of like, well, yeah, my guy, because
- 8:28Speaker 5: this is sort of out of the ordinary. This is
- 8:31Speaker 5: something that would affect you. And that part is wild
- 8:36Speaker 5: only because you have to rewatch this as if you're
- 8:39Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety eight watching this. It's some of this.
- 8:42Speaker 5: I'm watching it, I'm like, yeah, of course they do.
- 8:44Speaker 5: Of course they wouldn't tell people they're doing an exercise,
- 8:47Speaker 5: of course, But that's because this is all filmed pre
- 8:50Speaker 5: nine to eleven, right, and we're living way post nine
- 8:52Speaker 5: to eleven.
- 8:53Speaker 1: Yeah, and watching the film, you have to remind yourself
- 8:56Speaker 1: that this is pre nine eleven.
- 8:58Speaker 2: So this now, like you said.
- 9:00Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, that's how they are, man,
- 9:03Speaker 1: that's the normalization. But this was two years, well actually
- 9:07Speaker 1: three years, because like you said, it was filmed in
- 9:09Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight, release in nineteen ninety nine, and also
- 9:12Speaker 1: I think in two thousand it was re released kind
- 9:14Speaker 1: of like on that borderline, kind of like the chronic
- 9:17Speaker 1: two thousand, right, everybody was going with the Yeah, nineteen
- 9:20Speaker 1: ninety nine stuff called it two thousand. That's kind of
- 9:23Speaker 1: the feel of this. Another thing he brings up is
- 9:27Speaker 1: the militarization of law enforcement, which he shows through weapons,
- 9:33Speaker 1: hypersonic weapons for crowd control, for armored vehicles, tactical vests,
- 9:38Speaker 1: tactical gear, and the funding coming from the federal government
- 9:44Speaker 1: to each of these agencies and distributing all of this
- 9:47Speaker 1: equipment to them.
- 9:49Speaker 5: Yeah, who doesn't want cool new toys. And this is
- 9:52Speaker 5: just the military swooping in and saying, look, we got
- 9:54Speaker 5: this surplus, and I get it. I understand. That was
- 9:58Speaker 5: one of the things that blew my mind open the
- 10:00Speaker 5: military was how much money is just straight up wasted.
- 10:03Speaker 5: But it's the same story as any other budgeting department
- 10:07Speaker 5: you've ever come in contact with in your adult life,
- 10:10Speaker 5: where if you don't spend all of this year's budget,
- 10:12Speaker 5: then you get less budget next year. You got to
- 10:14Speaker 5: show like, oh man, we need even more, Like we
- 10:17Speaker 5: had to spend it all last year. We didn't have
- 10:18Speaker 5: any leftover because and in a lot of those cases,
- 10:21Speaker 5: this is the military saying, hell yeah, we need a
- 10:23Speaker 5: couple extra hum vyes, Hell yeah, we need a couple
- 10:26Speaker 5: extra rocket lodgers. And then they're looking around and it's
- 10:28Speaker 5: collecting dust. So one of the things they can do
- 10:31Speaker 5: is just donate it to these police departments. And in
- 10:34Speaker 5: tandem with just donating equipment, they're like, oh, and let
- 10:37Speaker 5: us show you how to use it. So now you
- 10:40Speaker 5: literally have the militarization of police forces. And again, these
- 10:45Speaker 5: weren't being conducted in Chicago or in Tampa or in
- 10:49Speaker 5: like New York City where a lot of people are
- 10:52Speaker 5: going to see this happening. They're literally bringing these huge
- 10:55Speaker 5: humvies and these you know, weapons of war into small
- 10:59Speaker 5: po dunk towns and teaching these police how to use
- 11:02Speaker 5: this stuff.
- 11:04Speaker 1: Yeah, and I have a good example of the government
- 11:06Speaker 1: waste of like you're talking about. I'm sure plenty of
- 11:08Speaker 1: people have, but my mom worked for the county in California,
- 11:13Speaker 1: and one of the people, like the higher ups, was like,
- 11:16Speaker 1: you know what, we want to save this money instead
- 11:18Speaker 1: of using the whole million budget we're going to save
- 11:21Speaker 1: half of it because they wanted to make this like
- 11:23Speaker 1: special center for kids or something like along that lines.
- 11:26Speaker 1: And then when they didn't, they were like, oh, if
- 11:28Speaker 1: you don't spend that, then you don't get it. So
- 11:31Speaker 1: the next following year, instead of a million dollar budget,
- 11:34Speaker 1: you get half a million dollar budget.
- 11:36Speaker 2: But they're like, but I was saving, and they're like,
- 11:37Speaker 2: that's not how this works.
- 11:39Speaker 5: Yep, And that's that's exactly. I think everyone benefits from
- 11:44Speaker 5: this except for the citizenry. And that's sort of the
- 11:47Speaker 5: premise of that whole reason of what, like why is
- 11:49Speaker 5: it bad? Maybe people need to ask that question in
- 11:51Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, why is the militarization of police bad? Well,
- 11:56Speaker 5: now we're kind of seeing it in twenty twenty five,
- 11:59Speaker 5: they're is At least in the nineties, there was maybe
- 12:03Speaker 5: the illusion that existed that you might have a local
- 12:06Speaker 5: policeman kind of like you'd have a local mailman and
- 12:08Speaker 5: a local milkman, and you know, like your guy, so
- 12:11Speaker 5: that when you see him on the street, you know
- 12:13Speaker 5: the officer's name that you know your name and it's
- 12:15Speaker 5: not because you've been in trouble before. But we're so
- 12:18Speaker 5: far beyond that, this is such a foreign concept to me,
- 12:20Speaker 5: Like I don't even know my mailman's name anymore because
- 12:22Speaker 5: they just swap it around to whoever I guess gets
- 12:25Speaker 5: stuck with that route. So this, again, it's prophetic in
- 12:28Speaker 5: a way. He's like, America, if you're not careful, you're
- 12:31Speaker 5: gonna see this militarization. And again, if you're watching this
- 12:35Speaker 5: for the first time in twenty twenty five, it's like,
- 12:37Speaker 5: uh oh.
- 12:38Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's no more Andy Griffith to slightly slap
- 12:44Speaker 1: us on the rets for getting a little too drunk
- 12:45Speaker 1: at the bar and cooking us breakfast in the morning
- 12:48Speaker 1: and getting us home.
- 12:50Speaker 2: That those days are gone.
- 12:52Speaker 5: I got another one of the claims it kind of
- 12:55Speaker 5: blends directly into that one, is that this militarization of
- 12:59Speaker 5: the police, it's there to condition everyone involved. And this
- 13:03Speaker 5: one was like a little high level, but it's it's
- 13:06Speaker 5: at the surface. Make the surrounding area, the regular citizens
- 13:11Speaker 5: more normalized to this so they don't freak out when
- 13:14Speaker 5: it starts happening more and more. At the same time,
- 13:16Speaker 5: they're normalizing the police themselves. The police, this is new
- 13:19Speaker 5: to them too, And this is almost like the military,
- 13:22Speaker 5: like oh no, this is normal. This is how you
- 13:23Speaker 5: treat people as a humanitarian effort. And then you've also
- 13:26Speaker 5: got the military, which this is a fairly new premise,
- 13:30Speaker 5: and now the military guys they're getting normalized, like, oh yeah,
- 13:33Speaker 5: of course, we always train local police. And there's one
- 13:36Speaker 5: part in particular where they interview a younger kid and
- 13:39Speaker 5: he's like, oh yeah, they're phasing all the old people out.
- 13:41Speaker 5: They're bringing in like this new crowd, and we think
- 13:43Speaker 5: different we work differently. And I think that there was
- 13:46Speaker 5: like a very subtle implication there that this Police Stay
- 13:50Speaker 5: two thousand it's all about retraining citizens and military and
- 13:54Speaker 5: police all all at the same time. Like it's actually
- 13:57Speaker 5: happening from the nineties into like the early two thousands.
- 14:01Speaker 1: It's a restructuring of how we think of military and
- 14:05Speaker 1: policing in general.
- 14:06Speaker 2: And that's a great point too, because.
- 14:08Speaker 1: It also kind of comes to twenty twenty five when
- 14:11Speaker 1: we're talking about all these like you know, General Millies
- 14:13Speaker 1: or twenty twenty four when Biden was still in there,
- 14:15Speaker 1: like hey, this communist mindset or this LGBTQ blah blah
- 14:19Speaker 1: blah mindset into the military. This was kind of a
- 14:22Speaker 1: reset and it almost seems like the way he talked
- 14:25Speaker 1: about it that every so often we have these little
- 14:27Speaker 1: resets within the military and the police force to kind
- 14:30Speaker 1: of change the published perception.
- 14:33Speaker 5: I think that this movie did a lot of work
- 14:35Speaker 5: for us because the claims that made are just prophecies
- 14:39Speaker 5: that it foretold those those are kind of the claims, right,
- 14:42Speaker 5: the police are going to become militarized, citizens are going
- 14:45Speaker 5: to become a little bit numb to that militarization. And
- 14:49Speaker 5: essentially the last claim that it kind of makes is
- 14:52Speaker 5: that when you involve kids in these role playing exercises,
- 14:55Speaker 5: because there were some instances when they do inform the
- 14:58Speaker 5: local area and they're saying people sign up or they volunteer,
- 15:02Speaker 5: whatever that means. But they said people volunteer so that
- 15:05Speaker 5: the police will come into their house and interrogate them,
- 15:07Speaker 5: and it sounds like doing mock weapon confiscation, and that
- 15:11Speaker 5: some of them might even be role playing that they're
- 15:15Speaker 5: resisting arrest, right, so then the police role play right
- 15:19Speaker 5: back and they treat them like they're resistant arrest. And
- 15:22Speaker 5: there's one part where they're talking about kids turning into
- 15:25Speaker 5: the Tattletale police that was a direct quote from Alex
- 15:28Speaker 5: Jones specifically, but that the kids were going to be
- 15:32Speaker 5: used to come and tell in these role playing sessions,
- 15:34Speaker 5: come and tell us if you find someone hiding or
- 15:36Speaker 5: if you know that someone's lying to us, like come
- 15:38Speaker 5: and tell us, And that was part of that role
- 15:40Speaker 5: playing man. That part was really insidious to me because
- 15:44Speaker 5: that's another version of this new normalization where now you're
- 15:47Speaker 5: expecting children, like underage children, to be doing some of
- 15:51Speaker 5: the legwork for police or even the military.
- 15:54Speaker 1: And they even have b roll of like a kid
- 15:57Speaker 1: on a bike riding up to like the military guys
- 16:00Speaker 1: in fatigues like hey, like you could just and as
- 16:03Speaker 1: he's telling you this Tata tell police, it really paints
- 16:05Speaker 1: the picture perfect of what he's talking about. And you
- 16:09Speaker 1: have to kind of imagine if you're watching this documentary,
- 16:12Speaker 1: this documentary or us talking about this documentary, that you're
- 16:16Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety nine, nineteen ninety nine, because if you
- 16:19Speaker 1: go for twenty twenty five, yeah, you're like, oh, that's obvious,
- 16:22Speaker 1: But in nineteen ninety nine people were like, that's conspiratorial.
- 16:26Speaker 1: This would never happen, Like you gotta kind of get
- 16:29Speaker 1: yourself in that mode.
- 16:38Speaker 2: Hidden Treasures and overboard moments.
- 16:41Speaker 1: I think the strength of this film it's like historical
- 16:43Speaker 1: context as we're talking about as it's almost Alex Jones
- 16:47Speaker 1: plays an nostrodamus role when it comes to the militarization
- 16:52Speaker 1: of the police and SWAT teams gang you and it's like,
- 16:56Speaker 1: I know they were loosely based in the nineties, but
- 16:58Speaker 1: in the late nineties and early two thousands they really
- 17:01Speaker 1: formulated what you see now of the militarization of police,
- 17:06Speaker 1: where the SWAT teams have armored vehicles and they have
- 17:10Speaker 1: the same tactics. They move into locations just the same
- 17:13Speaker 1: way that the military would treat terrorists. And it's also
- 17:19Speaker 1: a precursor to the domestic terrorists, right. I know we
- 17:22Speaker 1: had Terry Nichols and Tim McVay and the Waco Boys
- 17:27Speaker 1: and Ruby Hill, but those were all feeding into this
- 17:31Speaker 1: huge moment of all these exercises of one claim they
- 17:34Speaker 1: keep making is like, well is this domestic or is
- 17:38Speaker 1: this foreign?
- 17:39Speaker 2: And then they're kind of like, you know, kind of both,
- 17:41Speaker 2: you know, whatever we need.
- 17:43Speaker 1: I mean, they're talk to some soldiers, actually go to
- 17:45Speaker 1: a humvee and there's four soldiers that kind of get
- 17:48Speaker 1: some information out of them. The guy's like, yeah, you know,
- 17:50Speaker 1: kind of training for both whatever. And then one of
- 17:52Speaker 1: the soldiers kind of steps in like, hey, we're not
- 17:55Speaker 1: supposed to be talking about this.
- 17:57Speaker 5: Yeah, and he wasn't. And I was surprised at how
- 17:59Speaker 5: many any people end up talking to Alex in this movie.
- 18:03Speaker 5: And I guess that's one of the main hidden treasures
- 18:05Speaker 5: for me, is that this is classic go up into
- 18:09Speaker 5: the police station and then just ask questions and you
- 18:12Speaker 5: catch them off guard. They're like, we're in the middle
- 18:14Speaker 5: of a meeting here, so I'm sorry, am I not
- 18:16Speaker 5: in a public facility paid by taxpayer money? I'm here,
- 18:19Speaker 5: I am the media. But this is I think the
- 18:22Speaker 5: golden era of Alex Jones. Before it gets too weird,
- 18:25Speaker 5: right for he starts like going off of any particular tangent.
- 18:29Speaker 5: He's very serious in this movie. There's a few questions
- 18:33Speaker 5: in which he's being a little bit provocative, but not
- 18:38Speaker 5: in a smarmy smart ass or I'm gonna fight you,
- 18:40Speaker 5: or I'm calling you a globalist or a reptilian or
- 18:43Speaker 5: none of that. It's really just like, oh, yeah, no
- 18:46Speaker 5: one has any problem at all with just forfeiting their
- 18:48Speaker 5: civil liberties and you don't think people are scared when
- 18:51Speaker 5: there's explosions going off middle of the night and you
- 18:53Speaker 5: haven't told them about this. And just the fact that
- 18:56Speaker 5: he's asking this directly to the military guys and direct
- 19:00Speaker 5: to the police. And in one case they have footage
- 19:03Speaker 5: of him getting arrested and being loaded up in the
- 19:05Speaker 5: back of the car. And then he's got footage of
- 19:08Speaker 5: his cameraman getting arrested and loaded up in the back
- 19:10Speaker 5: of the car, with Alex then saying in the vo
- 19:14Speaker 5: that his cameraman ends up getting beaten in jail and tortured.
- 19:19Speaker 5: They don't really expand on exactly what that means, but
- 19:22Speaker 5: and they've got other footage where he's refusing to get
- 19:25Speaker 5: his ID because they're in acting this real id all
- 19:28Speaker 5: this like all this is here right, Like realize he's
- 19:31Speaker 5: been here, he was right about that, but no one
- 19:34Speaker 5: else is really getting arrested over it except for him.
- 19:37Speaker 5: And to see him in this particular form again, if
- 19:40Speaker 5: you care at all, what peak Alex Jones form looks like.
- 19:44Speaker 5: This is the movie. This is a documentary that shows
- 19:46Speaker 5: you him I think, at the top of his game,
- 19:49Speaker 5: for better and for worse. Right, this is kind of
- 19:51Speaker 5: peak form for him.
- 19:53Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this was peak journalistic Alex Jones.
- 19:57Speaker 2: This is before he kind of gets into the character.
- 20:00Speaker 1: I think that he really goes down, and to me,
- 20:03Speaker 1: that's why I don't have a lot of overbroad moments.
- 20:05Speaker 2: I really liked how the film was.
- 20:06Speaker 1: I know some people might not like the gorilla style,
- 20:09Speaker 1: but I liked how we got footage.
- 20:11Speaker 2: I thought he was very persuasive.
- 20:14Speaker 1: He pushed people around, but in a respectful way and
- 20:16Speaker 1: was able to get actual information. I think part of
- 20:19Speaker 1: it was the times, because you know now everybody has
- 20:22Speaker 1: a camera in your face.
- 20:23Speaker 2: At that time were they're like, what is this some.
- 20:25Speaker 1: Obscured little like PBS, you know, small little radio network.
- 20:31Speaker 2: It's nothing right.
- 20:32Speaker 1: They're probably like a hotel them, whatever, it doesn't matter,
- 20:35Speaker 1: it's not going to go anywhere.
- 20:36Speaker 2: It's not like now we're like, oh this can go viral.
- 20:38Speaker 1: We didn't even think about any kind of viral sensations
- 20:41Speaker 1: or co conspiracy type documentaries getting out there. It was
- 20:46Speaker 1: just like, oh, yeah, I'll talk to this random dude
- 20:48Speaker 1: that has a camcorder. It's probably going to stay in
- 20:50Speaker 1: his basement. No one's going to see any of this footage.
- 20:55Speaker 5: That's a really good point actually, because on the other
- 20:58Speaker 5: side of that, the reason why this maybe a lot
- 21:02Speaker 5: of people had no idea this all had actually happened,
- 21:05Speaker 5: and the slow progression on how we got to where
- 21:07Speaker 5: we're at now is because the media didn't really cover it.
- 21:10Speaker 5: I mean, there are news articles about these being reported,
- 21:14Speaker 5: but it really is sort of written from this weird,
- 21:18Speaker 5: far removed objective standpoint where you know, citizens reported in
- 21:23Speaker 5: this particular block at this time, that military operations reports
- 21:27Speaker 5: of you know, explosions and fire, and that's pretty much it.
- 21:30Speaker 5: And Alex Jones what he does is he finds out
- 21:33Speaker 5: about that through those objective news articles that don't really
- 21:36Speaker 5: go into detail, and then he just starts knocking on
- 21:38Speaker 5: doors and just talking to people like, hey, you live
- 21:40Speaker 5: in this area, you know, do you remember hearing about
- 21:43Speaker 5: this and getting this kind of reporting that we never got.
- 21:47Speaker 5: So again, this is just like a huge hidden treasure
- 21:50Speaker 5: that no one else was covering this granular this like
- 21:55Speaker 5: street level versions of these stories. You might get it
- 21:58Speaker 5: from a very high level where you're almost rereading the
- 22:01Speaker 5: pr campaign that came directly from the military or from
- 22:05Speaker 5: the police Joint Task Force as opposed to a curious
- 22:09Speaker 5: journalist that just wants to know what's going on in
- 22:11Speaker 5: like a local area.
- 22:20Speaker 2: Let's test the waters and go deep dive for me.
- 22:24Speaker 1: I kind of went into the Alabama exercise where the
- 22:27Speaker 1: Green Berets and the Green Berets and the Rangers near
- 22:32Speaker 1: Anniston Municipal Airport where they had claims of troops parachuting
- 22:38Speaker 1: in mock battles. This is where the local residents were
- 22:42Speaker 1: confused about explosions and troop movement, a plan power outage
- 22:47Speaker 1: by Alabama Power that none of the residents were aware of.
- 22:51Speaker 1: That they woke up in the middle of the night,
- 22:53Speaker 1: and this is nine pm at night, going to dinner.
- 22:56Speaker 2: That's the kind of Alex Jones actually worked for. Words
- 22:59Speaker 2: like magic.
- 22:59Speaker 1: You're nine pm going to dinner and then all of
- 23:02Speaker 1: a suddenly you hear explosions and gunfire. And to his credit,
- 23:06Speaker 1: when I heard him say that, I'm like, yeah, that
- 23:07Speaker 1: would freak me out, Like I would go get my
- 23:10Speaker 1: all right, gonna go to the arsenal, like it's here,
- 23:13Speaker 1: the comedies are here, Like you know what I mean.
- 23:15Speaker 1: I would be stressed out, especially any of us conspiratorial
- 23:18Speaker 1: people that already are ready for this, and like you said,
- 23:21Speaker 1: too bad. This was pre globalist Alex Jones, because then
- 23:24Speaker 1: for sure he'd be out there, you know, guns a blazing.
- 23:27Speaker 1: But there was a lot going into that, and he
- 23:29Speaker 1: even like talks to some of the officials in that time,
- 23:33Speaker 1: the police chief that.
- 23:35Speaker 2: Were involved and asking him, well, why was this?
- 23:38Speaker 1: Oh, they weren't informed, And they even have a quote
- 23:40Speaker 1: as they were saying, we didn't inform them about the
- 23:43Speaker 1: power because we didn't think they needed to know.
- 23:46Speaker 5: But there was a really really powerful moment in this
- 23:49Speaker 5: one too, when he's interviewing I think it was a
- 23:51Speaker 5: police chief of San Antonio at the time, and the
- 23:53Speaker 5: guy's telling him how not only did the police chief say, no,
- 23:58Speaker 5: you're not doing this within San Antonio city limits, like
- 24:00Speaker 5: I can't prevent you from doing it at the very
- 24:03Speaker 5: edge of our jurisdiction, but if you're coming here and asking,
- 24:06Speaker 5: I am saying no. And even after that happens, he
- 24:09Speaker 5: mentioned that he starts getting pressured from civil groups, from
- 24:13Speaker 5: other politicians, from other people in his spear, and he's
- 24:16Speaker 5: telling all of them not only is it no now,
- 24:18Speaker 5: but it's no with a prejudice because I realize the
- 24:21Speaker 5: reason you're asking this because the person I said no
- 24:24Speaker 5: to the first time is now trying to go behind
- 24:26Speaker 5: my back. This is like the kid that asks mom
- 24:29Speaker 5: and then you know, mom says no and then goes
- 24:31Speaker 5: and ask dad, and Dad's like, no, I heard that
- 24:33Speaker 5: your mom already said no. But they're not doing this right.
- 24:35Speaker 5: They're actually trying to push it. And then even after
- 24:38Speaker 5: the police chief keeps saying no, you're not going to
- 24:40Speaker 5: conduct these black helicopter delta operations in city limits, they
- 24:45Speaker 5: just do it anyway, like they don't like the fact
- 24:48Speaker 5: that they were even asking was almost of a courtesy.
- 24:52Speaker 5: And the implication there is that they're also sort of
- 24:55Speaker 5: training the police chief to just know, hey, next time
- 24:58Speaker 5: we ask, it really means that we're and then you
- 25:00Speaker 5: can just do what you need to do about that.
- 25:04Speaker 1: And what holds up in this film is pretty much
- 25:06Speaker 1: everything Like I said that earlier, it's a nostradamis conspiracy
- 25:12Speaker 1: prophecy that kind of Alex Jones comes up with. I mean,
- 25:15Speaker 1: maybe it seems obvious now, but there's surveillance cameras everywhere,
- 25:20Speaker 1: and the police watching you and having units and having
- 25:24Speaker 1: anti terrorist movements and talking about these exercises. This is
- 25:29Speaker 1: now commonplace that we've probably seen tons of times, and
- 25:33Speaker 1: we see military vehicles just roaming the streets and nobody
- 25:36Speaker 1: even bats an eye. It's like normal, and we're like, oh, yeah,
- 25:40Speaker 1: there's cameras everywhere, you know, Like even when I see
- 25:42Speaker 1: people nowadays, they're like complaining about a camera in their
- 25:45Speaker 1: face and Walmart.
- 25:46Speaker 2: Like, hey man, you can't put a camera in my face.
- 25:48Speaker 1: But they never complained about the cct TV cameras that
- 25:52Speaker 1: are all over in the Walmart. Outside the Walmart a
- 25:57Speaker 1: couple blocks up from the Walmart, Nobody even cares that
- 26:00Speaker 1: they're constantly being surveiled.
- 26:03Speaker 5: And if you watch enough cop shows, like real cop
- 26:06Speaker 5: shows like I do, you realize how much police rely
- 26:11Speaker 5: on those civilian cameras. Like that camera outside that Walmart
- 26:15Speaker 5: probably does more cop work than any cop on the force, right,
- 26:20Speaker 5: Like that thing is working overtime all the time. And
- 26:23Speaker 5: there was one part in particular in this documentary where
- 26:27Speaker 5: he points up at a traffic camera and he's like, look,
- 26:31Speaker 5: they put these in here to say that it was
- 26:33Speaker 5: to track, you know, travel, or in this case I
- 26:35Speaker 5: think was the airport. They were just trying to keep
- 26:36Speaker 5: an eye on the airport. It's not like we had
- 26:39Speaker 5: cameras all over the highways at that point. But he notes, look,
- 26:42Speaker 5: the camera's actually pointing towards this community. It's pointing towards
- 26:46Speaker 5: where people live, and it's not pointing towards the airport
- 26:49Speaker 5: in this point. And yeah, that did seem to stick
- 26:52Speaker 5: out in nineteen ninety eight, but in twenty twenty five, man,
- 26:56Speaker 5: every single thing that he tries to warn, so I
- 27:01Speaker 5: don't feel like he's necessary, like Nostra domis in a way.
- 27:05Speaker 5: But also he's so late to the party, like he's
- 27:08Speaker 5: the first one there, but he's so late to the
- 27:10Speaker 5: party that even him raising this alarm, it was so
- 27:14Speaker 5: far advanced that there were like Police State two thousand.
- 27:17Speaker 5: Even if you released this in like nineteen ninety unless
- 27:20Speaker 5: the next ten years somehow it got some kind of
- 27:23Speaker 5: viral traction and people went and protested about and wrote
- 27:27Speaker 5: the congressman. Even then, it probably wouldn't have made a
- 27:30Speaker 5: dent in the actual events. And again, man, imagine this
- 27:33Speaker 5: is pre nine eleven, So as soon as nine eleven happens,
- 27:36Speaker 5: every single thing in this movie you can watch now
- 27:39Speaker 5: and just be like uh, yeah, no, duh.
- 27:41Speaker 1: And they talk about these exercises really started in the
- 27:44Speaker 1: sixties and seventies, after a lot of the protest movements
- 27:47Speaker 1: for Vietnam and different movements at the time like the
- 27:52Speaker 1: Women's Rebellion, the desegregation, different things of that nature, which
- 27:59Speaker 1: they've been doing these exercises, and then precursor to all
- 28:02Speaker 1: of this, like you said, the pre nine eleven, which
- 28:05Speaker 1: you've already discussed, the Oklahoma City.
- 28:06Speaker 2: Bombing and Waco.
- 28:09Speaker 1: This now gave you the domestic terrorist and I think,
- 28:13Speaker 1: like you said, you would have to probably start maybe
- 28:16Speaker 1: in the seventies and eighties, like but to get at
- 28:19Speaker 1: that many people on board, I think this was, like
- 28:22Speaker 1: he predicted, kind of the obvious, but there's nothing you
- 28:25Speaker 1: could really do about it.
- 28:27Speaker 5: This is his chicken little movie, one hundred percent man.
- 28:37Speaker 2: Ripples and ways.
- 28:39Speaker 1: I mean, this movie had to inspire so many different people.
- 28:44Speaker 1: I think, like you have what we have as a
- 28:47Speaker 1: quote unquote community in the conspiratorial world because this pre
- 28:52Speaker 1: dates really like the Internet movements. There's been forms, I know,
- 28:56Speaker 1: and there was like certain little websites that had some
- 28:59Speaker 1: of this, but it was somebody that's actually there on
- 29:02Speaker 1: public access that broke through to the mainstream and this
- 29:06Speaker 1: movie actually resonated with people, and you see us all
- 29:10Speaker 1: talking about this influence of loose change, right like even
- 29:13Speaker 1: though the nine to eleven thing that happened, this movie
- 29:17Speaker 1: influenced like Zeitgeist, these kind of films that where their
- 29:23Speaker 1: totalitarianism involved in what the government's takeover, and that how
- 29:27Speaker 1: the government has too much control, there would be no
- 29:29Speaker 1: globalist agenda.
- 29:31Speaker 2: This is where we first started talking.
- 29:32Speaker 1: About like whoa the federal government trying to really fund everything.
- 29:36Speaker 1: I really think this and Alex Jones, to his credit,
- 29:39Speaker 1: whether you love him or hate him, is super influential
- 29:42Speaker 1: to what all of us have learned.
- 29:45Speaker 5: I think the biggest ripples in waves here is just
- 29:48Speaker 5: that this movie establishes credibility for Alex Jones more so
- 29:54Speaker 5: than almost any other thing that he put out, this
- 29:57Speaker 5: Police State series, which is a trilogy, and this is
- 29:59Speaker 5: the very first in this three part trilogy. But again
- 30:03Speaker 5: it is the least sarcastic, the least demon goblin interdimensional,
- 30:07Speaker 5: you know, being type talk. This is very specific, it's
- 30:11Speaker 5: very serious. The claims again are more like dialogue about
- 30:16Speaker 5: trying to explain the context of the footage and the
- 30:18Speaker 5: actual information that you're seeing. Like all of that being objective.
- 30:22Speaker 5: So and this one also, you don't get Alex Jones
- 30:26Speaker 5: in twenty twenty five or even in the next documentary
- 30:30Speaker 5: they're going to watch in Bohemian Grove. You don't get
- 30:33Speaker 5: those Alex Jones without this one existing first. And there's
- 30:36Speaker 5: an interview with one guy that I think summarizes it
- 30:38Speaker 5: really well that the public access community in Austin was
- 30:43Speaker 5: one of the oldest ones. It was one of the
- 30:45Speaker 5: oldest forms of everyone being able to share this public
- 30:49Speaker 5: access across the nation. And that Alex Jones he serves
- 30:54Speaker 5: better or worse again as an example of how far
- 30:58Speaker 5: you can go starting with a regular old public access show,
- 31:02Speaker 5: which doesn't really exist anymore now public access as you
- 31:04Speaker 5: just start your own YouTube channel, your own blog. But
- 31:08Speaker 5: back then public access was that was the pipe dream.
- 31:11Speaker 5: Is that somehow you went from that to I guess
- 31:14Speaker 5: Hollywood or just getting into more serious like an actual
- 31:17Speaker 5: news station. And in this case, I mean the ripples
- 31:20Speaker 5: and waves are impossible to sort of understate. Here he
- 31:24Speaker 5: turned it into a conglomerate, like a global media conglomerate.
- 31:28Speaker 5: He turned into the very thing that he basically seemed
- 31:32Speaker 5: like he was the antithesis of originally.
- 31:37Speaker 2: It's that time, my friend spink or swim.
- 31:41Speaker 5: I'm conflicted, man, I'm gonna I have to say swim.
- 31:45Speaker 5: But it's a close call. So let me just clarify this.
- 31:48Speaker 5: If you are looking to watch a documentary and learn
- 31:51Speaker 5: something new in twenty twenty five, maybe it's a sink.
- 31:55Speaker 5: Maybe this is something that you can just take our
- 31:57Speaker 5: word for it and you don't have to rewatch it.
- 31:59Speaker 5: But if you can yourself into the mentality of a
- 32:02Speaker 5: pre nine eleven, nineteen ninety eight, and imagine you're watching
- 32:05Speaker 5: all this when people were gonna say that's crazy, that
- 32:09Speaker 5: wouldn't happen. These are just these weird, isolated military events.
- 32:13Speaker 5: In that case, it's it's absolutely a swim. It's absolutely
- 32:16Speaker 5: worth your time. And again I'll say that this is
- 32:19Speaker 5: probably the most credible with you know, warts and all,
- 32:23Speaker 5: with all of the sort of unprofessional editing they reshow.
- 32:27Speaker 5: They reshow a few different clips, like two or three times.
- 32:31Speaker 5: It was like, did I accidentally rewind this?
- 32:33Speaker 6: Now?
- 32:33Speaker 5: I think that was just repetition to kind of make
- 32:36Speaker 5: a point. They're trying to drive home a certain idea.
- 32:38Speaker 5: But it has a lot of those warts and bumps
- 32:41Speaker 5: in it. All that considered, man, this is probably like
- 32:44Speaker 5: the best Alex Jones documentary that you're gonna get if
- 32:48Speaker 5: you care about objectivity.
- 32:50Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with swim myself.
- 32:52Speaker 1: And really, just because of what you said, I really
- 32:55Speaker 1: like to see Alex Jones, especially since this is kind
- 32:59Speaker 1: of my first introduction to him when I watched.
- 33:01Speaker 2: Police State, probably two.
- 33:03Speaker 1: Thousand and one, two thousand and two somewhere around that time,
- 33:07Speaker 1: and that's the Alex Jones where you're like, wow, man,
- 33:09Speaker 1: this guy's informative.
- 33:10Speaker 2: He you know, he's right there.
- 33:11Speaker 1: He's a real journalist and an investigative journalist, and I
- 33:15Speaker 1: think it shows something that people have kind of lost
- 33:19Speaker 1: with Alex Jones now that he became a character. You
- 33:21Speaker 1: get to see the hard work he puts in and
- 33:24Speaker 1: being on the ground and being a kind of an
- 33:25Speaker 1: antagonist journalist where he's pushing like hey. One of my
- 33:29Speaker 1: favorite scenes is in the beginning when they're going to
- 33:31Speaker 1: the stop of where they're doing the traffic stop and
- 33:34Speaker 1: maybe it's a DUI checkpoint, that's what I'm guessing, gets
- 33:37Speaker 1: some kind of police checkpoint, and he's.
- 33:38Speaker 2: Kind of like, hey, what are we doing over here?
- 33:41Speaker 1: And he's just like harassing them, kind of like, hey man,
- 33:43Speaker 1: who can I talk to and like he's just talking
- 33:45Speaker 1: crap and he's like, oh man, these Nazis and he
- 33:48Speaker 1: keeps making these terms. And he does it later too,
- 33:51Speaker 1: when he shows like the tactical vest. This is when
- 33:54Speaker 1: you start seeing his comedic presence that is kind of
- 33:58Speaker 1: maybe just part of his personality. But they show the
- 34:00Speaker 1: tactical gear and he holds the helm and he's like, ah,
- 34:03Speaker 1: the Nazis had something like this. I don't think that
- 34:05Speaker 1: was the quote, but he says like, oh, the Germany
- 34:07Speaker 1: keeps talking about Oh, we're in nineteen thirty eight, And
- 34:10Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting because of now how the
- 34:13Speaker 1: pendulum has swung the other way they would be calling
- 34:16Speaker 1: him a Nazi when now it's just the ironicness of
- 34:21Speaker 1: how life works out is he was claiming everything of
- 34:24Speaker 1: this totalitarian regime and calling people Nazis and now he's
- 34:27Speaker 1: referred to as a Nazi.
- 34:28Speaker 2: But this is definitely a swim for me.
- 34:31Speaker 5: Yeah, that one's kind of funny because you can tell
- 34:33Speaker 5: that that's also when he realizes that there's no more
- 34:37Speaker 5: ground he's going to get. In a particular interview, and
- 34:39Speaker 5: then he'll just drop something out there, and this is
- 34:41Speaker 5: him kind of bursting at the seams a little bit
- 34:43Speaker 5: where you can get a preview of what's to come,
- 34:46Speaker 5: where he's you know, perfectly decent interview. They're kind of standoffish,
- 34:50Speaker 5: they're not necessarily antagonistic the police in this case. And
- 34:54Speaker 5: then he'll say, man, this just kind of reminds you
- 34:56Speaker 5: a little bit of you know, like Germany and the
- 34:59Speaker 5: in like World War two, right, just like the way
- 35:02Speaker 5: that all this is coming together. And then you just
- 35:04Speaker 5: see the cop just immediately clam up and then walk away.
- 35:07Speaker 5: And now he's seen as this guy that's kind of
- 35:09Speaker 5: egging them on. So you get a glimpse of what's
- 35:12Speaker 5: to come on this one.
- 35:22Speaker 2: On the horizon.
- 35:23Speaker 1: Up next is another cult conspiracy classic. This is Alex
- 35:29Speaker 1: Jones Month. So we got it. The only way you
- 35:32Speaker 1: could do Alex Jones Month. You can't just do Police
- 35:34Speaker 1: Stay two thousand, Gotta go Deecks, Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove.
- 35:40Speaker 5: Yeah. I feel like, out of all the movies that
- 35:42Speaker 5: we could have picked from, this one had to be
- 35:44Speaker 5: on the list. And it was actually pretty hard picking
- 35:47Speaker 5: Police Date two thousand over some of the other options
- 35:50Speaker 5: that came later, But I do feel that it's really
- 35:53Speaker 5: important that we cover a couple that are before the
- 35:57Speaker 5: WWE character of Alex Jones come out the gate and
- 36:00Speaker 5: these two. You see his DNA slowly forming in the
- 36:04Speaker 5: Petrie dish.
- 36:07Speaker 2: Well, I think it's about that time.
- 36:09Speaker 7: I need sleepy time right now, they sleepy time right now,
- 36:13Speaker 7: nice place I got to.
- 36:14Speaker 2: I'm a sleep see you guys. Peace.
- 36:23Speaker 3: Under the dogs, Yeah, under the dogs. Very we're breaking
- 36:29Speaker 3: the looks. Funny, couldn't they raise all the shots? They
- 36:34Speaker 3: coming the dogs? Under the dogs, Under the dogs, Yeah,
- 36:40Speaker 3: under the dogs, Under the dogs.
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