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Gothic Slayers feat. Caleb, Ben, & Dylan (2025) · Frightmares

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  Speaker 4: Welcome back to Frighten Mears Podcast. I'm your host, Austin Proctor,
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  Speaker 4: and joining me today for a very special episode, three
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  Speaker 4: people I'm definitely going to get ganged up on, and
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  Speaker 4: that's totally fine. Two writers and two stars of Gothic
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  Speaker 4: Slayers and the director himself. We'll start with Caleb Harris.
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  Speaker 4: How are you doing today?
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing great. How are you?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm surviving. If anybody listened to the Silver Bullet
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  Speaker 4: episode that we just did and released, I'm still getting
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  Speaker 4: over a sickness, and I'm probably still very delirious from that.
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  Speaker 4: So it'll be a fun time. Next, the person I've
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  Speaker 4: been talking to the most is Ben Goetz. How are
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  Speaker 4: we doing today?
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  Speaker 7: Good, good.
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  Speaker 8: Happy to be here.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks for being here, one of the writers and stars.
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  Speaker 4: And then last but certainly not least, Dylan Eshbaugh. Did
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  Speaker 4: I fuck that up?
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  Speaker 7: You got that right on the money, my friend.
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  Speaker 4: Love it, love it. So we're talking about Gothic Slayers today.
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  Speaker 4: If you haven't heard of it, you should probably go
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  Speaker 4: seek it out and watch it before you listen to
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  Speaker 4: this episode because it's probably going to get spoiled in
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  Speaker 4: some capacity. I guess my first question is, and I
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  Speaker 4: don't know who this is directed at because I don't
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  Speaker 4: know who came up with the idea. Who approached who
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  Speaker 4: about this movie? Was it a collaborative effort? Was it
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  Speaker 4: an idea from someone that kind of spawned into what
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  Speaker 4: we have now? Anyone feel free to take that question.
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  Speaker 4: It's up for grabs. Don't all jump at once. Jesus.
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  Speaker 8: We thought you'd be ganged up on, but we're getting
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  Speaker 8: ganged up on.
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  Speaker 7: We're scared. We're so scared.
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  Speaker 4: All right, Dylan, why don't you tell us?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was started out with Ben and me writing
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  Speaker 7: the idea. If we can think back to these great times,
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  Speaker 7: it was, I think, about August of 2020. And Ben
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  Speaker 7: and I Had been writing a lot that year because
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  Speaker 7: we had nothing else to do. And we kind of
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  Speaker 7: started a thing earlier in the year where we would just,
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  Speaker 7: at 3 p.m. like every day, we would meet on
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  Speaker 7: Zoom and just start writing something. We were writing a
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  Speaker 7: lot of pilots at the time. We were working on
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  Speaker 7: like one or two pilots.
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  Speaker 4: Nice.
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  Speaker 7: And we've been doing that for long enough where we
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  Speaker 7: were like, let's try... writing a feature. It was kind
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  Speaker 7: of scary. It kind of intimidated us. But we knew
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  Speaker 7: we wanted to try it and we wanted to write
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  Speaker 7: something that was in our voices and would be a
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  Speaker 7: good example of the kind of stuff that we connected
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  Speaker 7: with when we first started hanging out and talking about
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  Speaker 7: the kind of movies we liked. And obviously, Ben, you
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  Speaker 7: can jump in with this part too, but I don't
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  Speaker 7: really remember exactly how the idea first came about, but
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  Speaker 7: we knew we wanted to make something in Ben's hometown. Uh,
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  Speaker 7: we shot that movie Ben's hometown and we had locations.
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  Speaker 7: It's kind of weird. We kind of wrote location first
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  Speaker 7: in a lot of ways where we knew we had
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  Speaker 7: a really great mini golf course. We had a great
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  Speaker 7: like ice cream stand. Um, we knew we wanted to
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  Speaker 7: have a hometown feel and we also wanted it to
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  Speaker 7: be like a genre movie. So once we kind of
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  Speaker 7: decided let's do like a horror comedy, I think, Obviously,
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  Speaker 7: the next step is Creepy Cult, you know? So I
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  Speaker 7: think we just started kind of figuring out from there, like,
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  Speaker 7: what's the cult going to do? What is the actual
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  Speaker 7: issue at bay? Like, what are we, like, focusing on?
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  Speaker 7: And we just would hammer it out, like, once a
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  Speaker 7: day for.
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  Speaker 7: A solid five to six months i'd say at least
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  Speaker 7: i mean at least what.
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  Speaker 1: Dylan's shying away from is that this actually happened to
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  Speaker 1: us and it actually our story and uh that was
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  Speaker 1: just a much easier way of putting it dylan but
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  Speaker 1: that's okay.
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  Speaker 7: They say right what you know and uh yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It just sounds weird when we lead with like we
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  Speaker 1: were working at a mini golf course in our 30s
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  Speaker 1: and then a cult came and abducted our friend so
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  Speaker 1: we've we've created this whole elaborate thing of like Oh,
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  Speaker 1: we got on Zoom at 3 p.m.
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  Speaker 7: Every day and wrote together.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 8: It's a little PG, but yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Poor Dougie, man. So, Caleb, how did you get involved?
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  Speaker 4: Did they approach you, or are you guys all just
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  Speaker 4: kind of friends? What was that process like, getting the script?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, so Ben Goetz and I actually... gosh, this would
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  Speaker 9: have been like seven or eight years prior to like
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  Speaker 9: connecting on this project. We actually worked together on a
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  Speaker 9: TV show back in Des Moines, Iowa, all places, all
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  Speaker 9: play by play. Um, Ben was an actor and I
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  Speaker 9: was working on the crew side and we had always
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  Speaker 9: kind of gotten along and shared some jokes and kind
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  Speaker 9: of laughs with each other on set. And, uh, when
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  Speaker 9: he went back to New York and I ended up
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  Speaker 9: moving out to LA, we just stayed connected over Instagram,
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  Speaker 9: following each other, liking each other's posts and stuff. And,
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  Speaker 9: while he was acting and writing and stuff, I was
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  Speaker 9: back here in LA working on cinematography, directing, editing. And,
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  Speaker 9: you know, I think when these boys like finished the
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  Speaker 9: script and it was in a really good spot, you know,
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  Speaker 9: through just sheer happenstance, like Ben considered me just from
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  Speaker 9: seeing like the work that.
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  Speaker 5: I was doing on social media.
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  Speaker 4: Gotcha.
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  Speaker 9: And so he sent it to me and I read
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  Speaker 9: the script and like, And less than a day, I
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  Speaker 9: was so excited by the idea that I came back.
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  Speaker 5: With a full pitch deck.
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  Speaker 9: I had like 10, 15 pages with reference images, all
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  Speaker 9: these different things that I wanted to do. And I
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  Speaker 9: was like, I want this. Whatever it takes for me
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  Speaker 9: to do this, I am down to do this.
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  Speaker 6: I love it.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, the rest is kind of history, but yeah, it
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  Speaker 9: was like seven or eight years of us not working
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  Speaker 9: physically together, but just keeping up on social media.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, I'm telling you, it's all about who, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and who you stay connected with and, and, uh, the
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  Speaker 4: film industry. Uh, and that's amazing. Okay. So I love,
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  Speaker 4: I love all of that. That's incredible. Um, and so
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  Speaker 4: would you say, uh, Dylan and Ben that the, I
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  Speaker 4: don't know, are these characters basically just kind of who
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  Speaker 4: not like literally who you are, but I feel like
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of yourselves in these characters. Would you
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  Speaker 4: say that's true?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think what's funny is that I think in
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  Speaker 7: a lot of ways it wasn't until we were shooting
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  Speaker 7: it that we kind of realized that I think in
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  Speaker 7: some ways I'm more like the Ben character and Ben's
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  Speaker 7: more like the Dylan character. Like, I don't know how
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  Speaker 7: true that is. I think we kind of go through waves,
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  Speaker 7: you know what I mean? Where, like, in our friendship
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  Speaker 7: there are definitely days where I'm the Dylan and then
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  Speaker 7: there are definitely days where I'm the Ben.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: But it's definitely a heightened version of both of us
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  Speaker 7: for sure, regardless of which one of us we're more like.
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  Speaker 7: But yeah, it's like a cartoon version of us. If
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  Speaker 7: someone made a caricature of two of us, I think
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  Speaker 7: these guys would be, what would happen if you did that?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys clicked so well. Literally, the opening scene
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  Speaker 4: of you guys going to the convenience store in the
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  Speaker 4: golf cart and spilling the drinks over one another while
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  Speaker 4: he's mixing it. I mean, you guys established such a
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  Speaker 4: connection of like that you guys were genuine friends in
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  Speaker 4: real life so fast. And I was like, immediately I
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  Speaker 4: was into the movie because it's not, it's hard to
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  Speaker 4: do that. You know, it's hard to establish something like that.
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  Speaker 4: And even I got the vibe right off the bat.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I saw the Caleb, the, uh, um, worker
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  Speaker 4: at the convenience store is just annoyed by you guys.
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, all right, so these guys are
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  Speaker 4: clearly kind of losers in town working at a mini
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  Speaker 4: golf or putt putt who, depending on who you ask course.
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  Speaker 4: And I love that you established that so quickly. Um, Like,
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  Speaker 4: I don't even know, like, I'm no writer, I'm no director,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm always impressed when you can get sucked into
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  Speaker 4: a movie that quickly. And where did the whole kind
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  Speaker 4: of 8-bit video game, where did that, what influenced, like,
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  Speaker 4: what influenced you guys to incorporate that into the movie?
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  Speaker 4: Because I love that aspect of it.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 5: That's a great question.
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  Speaker 9: And we have, like, we have, like, the really smart answer,
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  Speaker 9: which is that we planned it all ahead of time.
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  Speaker 9: And it was, like, it was such a, in pre-development, like,
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  Speaker 9: you know, early in pre-production, we've mapped everything out and
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  Speaker 9: have it all figured out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: That's our, like, you know, we'll lead with that.
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  Speaker 9: But the actual truth is that, like any independent film,
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  Speaker 9: you know, you always run into time constraints and budget constraints.
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  Speaker 9: And the thing that I think we all really loved
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  Speaker 9: about this movie was just, like, it was so ambitious and, like.
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  Speaker 5: The story that we wanted to tell and what we
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  Speaker 5: wanted to express, you know, with it.
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  Speaker 9: And, um, so we wanted to shoot for the moon
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  Speaker 9: and there were just some things when it came to
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  Speaker 9: special effects and fight choreography that were just outside of
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  Speaker 9: the means of what we could do at the time.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 9: So we honestly got put in a position where we
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  Speaker 9: were kind of like coming to the end of shooting
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  Speaker 9: and we were like, Oh man, like kind of ran
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  Speaker 9: into some of these, like, we don't have this chunk.
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  Speaker 5: Like, how are we going to do this?
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  Speaker 9: Like we're kind of at the end of our shooting,
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  Speaker 9: our shooting time.
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  Speaker 5: And, you know, collectively we came up with this idea.
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  Speaker 9: We're like, The whole movie is based around this video game,
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  Speaker 9: and the video game is kind of like an allegory
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  Speaker 9: for how these boys are viewing what's happening.
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  Speaker 5: They're using it as the central logic.
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  Speaker 9: So what if we incorporated that 8-bit video game style
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  Speaker 9: into the actual real world and kind of come in
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  Speaker 9: and out of those worlds? So honestly, it was something
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  Speaker 9: that came to us. I think on one of the
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  Speaker 9: last days of shooting, I think we were like, this
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  Speaker 9: is how we're going to do that.
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  Speaker 5: We were doing all of our church. fight choreography and stuff.
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  Speaker 9: And we're like, Oh, I don't know how we're going
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  Speaker 9: to do people flying in the air and shooting each
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  Speaker 9: other and stuff like that. So, um, but yeah, it's, it's,
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  Speaker 9: it to me too. It's like, it's one of my
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  Speaker 9: favorite parts of the film too. And you know, it
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  Speaker 9: was cool for Ben and Dylan to like, cause I'm
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  Speaker 9: such a huge video game nerd to give them, like
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  Speaker 9: they gave me the opportunity essentially to express myself really
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  Speaker 9: fully in their story by adding that contribution and really
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  Speaker 9: trusting me and like, oh, yeah, we're going to put
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  Speaker 9: this Dark Souls reference here, and oh, yeah, we're going
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  Speaker 9: to use this, you know, Castlevania reference there. And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 9: it really became, like, yeah, my favorite part.
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  Speaker 5: Of the project.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, every part of it's my favorite part, but
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  Speaker 9: that to me was, like, the thing that made it
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  Speaker 9: feel different and special from, like, what you normally see from, like,
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  Speaker 9: a first-time, you know, group of filmmakers.
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  Speaker 7: Caleb being modest, it.
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  Speaker 8: Was really his idea.
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  Speaker 1: We were like, when he was like, we should do
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  Speaker 1: these scenes as video game thing, and we're like, no,
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  Speaker 1: but people want to see our faces, right?
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  Speaker 8: That's what my mom said, you know?
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  Speaker 1: So it was like, trusting him was a bit like, alright,
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  Speaker 1: I guess we'll play around with that idea. And then
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  Speaker 1: it ended up so amazing, and some people's favorite parts
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  Speaker 1: over our faces, which is crazy, and we don't talk
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  Speaker 1: to those people anymore, but we get it, but But
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  Speaker 1: also like doing it was really fun because it was also,
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  Speaker 1: it was, you know, creating a new 8-bit that hadn't
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  Speaker 1: been made and also creating 8-bit music to it that
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been made. Mostly because we couldn't afford, you know,
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  Speaker 1: stuff that, that had been made.
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  Speaker 8: But, but doing it yourself is just like, even, you know,
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  Speaker 8: it was unbelievable.
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  Speaker 1: And we had like these connections to people that really amazing,
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  Speaker 1: like musicians and, and the, our guy that made all
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  Speaker 1: the 8-bit stuff.
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  Speaker 8: Was like unbelievable. Ruan is just unbelievable. And it just
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  Speaker 8: led us to like, now we just want to make
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  Speaker 8: a video game.
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  Speaker 7: We're like screw making another film.
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  Speaker 8: We just want to make a video game.
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  Speaker 5: This would be sick.
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  Speaker 7: That was the most surprising part because we already knew
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  Speaker 7: that we would probably have to, actually I don't remember
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  Speaker 7: when this was in the process, but at some point
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  Speaker 7: we realized we were going to have to show the
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  Speaker 7: Gothic Slayers 4 arcade game. So we already kind of
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  Speaker 7: knew we were going to have to make that. And
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  Speaker 7: I remember we found Ruan to make the pixel art
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  Speaker 7: for that, and I remember we had to write out
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  Speaker 7: game it. We were having to, like, Ben and I
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  Speaker 7: were on, like, a shared Google Doc, and we were
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  Speaker 7: just kind of writing out this, like, scroller-type, Castlevania-esque-type game,
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  Speaker 7: and we were just writing stuff. They jump off a
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  Speaker 7: boat going through a river of blood, and now there
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  Speaker 7: are bats, and, like, you know, we were just writing
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  Speaker 7: it out, like, I don't know. You just never think
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  Speaker 7: that you're going to write something like that and actually
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  Speaker 7: see it get made. It's only like maybe 10 seconds
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  Speaker 7: of the movie, but it's such a rewarding part for
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  Speaker 7: me every time I see it because it's just like,
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  Speaker 7: oh my God, we made that. We literally wrote what
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  Speaker 7: is happening in this game and now it's happening. Also,
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  Speaker 7: just to see a pixel version of yourself is very exhilarating.
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  Speaker 7: Anyone born in the 90s on, you see that and
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  Speaker 7: you're like, oh my god, that is the coolest. I'm
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  Speaker 7: actively fighting a crow in pixel form. Why would I
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  Speaker 7: not want to see that?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, the crows. Oh my God. Okay. So you guys
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: are 20 somethings in the movies, but how old are we?
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: Let's all sound off here. I'm 19. Let's just, let's just,
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  Speaker 4: let's just age ourselves right now. I'm, I'm 1990. What
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  Speaker 4: about you, Dylan? 2009.
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  Speaker 7: Um, I, I, I, I'm, uh, I'm 93. I'm 93 baby. Ben,
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  Speaker 7: what about you?
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  Speaker 8: I can't say.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. For legal reasons.
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  Speaker 8: I don't remember back to that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm 93 as well.
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  Speaker 6: 93?
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  Speaker 4: Okay. Caleb?
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  Speaker 1: 94.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So yes, we.
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  Speaker 5: Were all just like splitting distances.
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  Speaker 1: Just wait for the Wikipedia page to update tomorrow.
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  Speaker 7: We were still in our 20s when we filmed it.
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  Speaker 7: I'll say that.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 7: I would say though that the moment caleb called that's
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  Speaker 7: a wrap yeah i aged 10 years over and i
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  Speaker 7: got the stress of making the movie caught up with
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  Speaker 7: me at the very end that's because we.
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  Speaker 8: Destroyed that portrait we had of you hiding in the back.
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  Speaker 1: Dorian gray style that wasn't that wonderful dorian gray and
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  Speaker 1: then they.
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  Speaker 4: Destroyed it oh my god oh Yeah, I really like
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: those parts of the movie because I would so much rather...
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  Speaker 4: I think I said this in my review on social media.
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  Speaker 4: I would so much rather watch creative inserts due to
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  Speaker 4: budgetary reasons than terrible CG any day of the week.
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  Speaker 4: And those were so creative and so fun. And the
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  Speaker 4: crows fucking killed me every time. So I really enjoy that.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it's funny that that was a last
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  Speaker 4: minute addition because it felt so... part of the world.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, probably because the movie kind of starts with
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  Speaker 4: that eight bit feel right off the bat and you
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  Speaker 4: have all the funny sound effects going on as well.
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  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed that. So I particularly think that is
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  Speaker 4: one of the, like, it's a very strong idea that,
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  Speaker 4: that works so well. And for Caleb here, like when
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  Speaker 4: you sat, like when you got the script and you
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  Speaker 4: sat down to direct, was there anything since now that
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  Speaker 4: I know the eight bit thing was a later edition,
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  Speaker 4: was there any influence from, that you were chasing visually, like,
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  Speaker 4: when you started to make the movie?
• 16:45
  Speaker 9: So I think, like, some of our biggest references and
• 16:49
  Speaker 9: really what drew me to the piece the most was
• 16:52
  Speaker 9: the friendship dynamic between Ben and Dylan.
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:55
  Speaker 9: I really saw, like, the potential of, like, obviously knowing
• 16:59
  Speaker 9: these guys and knowing that they were already friends, like,
• 17:01
  Speaker 9: kind of makes that transition really easy. But knowing that
• 17:04
  Speaker 9: there was all this potential to tell this, like, really
• 17:07
  Speaker 9: endearing story about something that I felt like was really universal,
• 17:11
  Speaker 9: which was like, you know, the trials of friendship and
• 17:14
  Speaker 9: especially getting older and especially now being in our thirties,
• 17:17
  Speaker 9: you know, I think we've all kind of like grown
• 17:19
  Speaker 9: through this period of like, you know, we've, we've had
• 17:21
  Speaker 9: friendships that have been tested and like whether they survive
• 17:24
  Speaker 9: or whether they don't, which is something that I felt
• 17:26
  Speaker 9: like was something that was going to connect really well.
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: So like we, when I first read it, really what,
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: what I wanted to chase was like building on that
• 17:33
  Speaker 9: friendship dynamic and trying to make like every seen in
• 17:36
  Speaker 9: every feeling kind of like have that be the central
• 17:39
  Speaker 9: thing that we're kind of revolving, you know, uh, the,
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: the scene around.
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: So I pulled from references like.
• 17:45
  Speaker 9: Um, hot fuzz, uh, you know, uh, Ben, uh, Bill
• 17:50
  Speaker 9: and Ted's excellent adventure, um, express, uh, you know, like
• 17:55
  Speaker 9: I really wanted to make this, you know, uh, this
• 17:58
  Speaker 9: film that would just like, Put the boys front and center.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Special guest appearance by Ben's dog there.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Well, you don't see under the table of podcasts is
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: your dog trying to.
• 18:08
  Speaker 8: Eat your arm alive.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I figured the audience should know the things that are happening,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: and the boy might go in a crate in a second.
• 18:14
  Speaker 8: But anyway, continue.
• 18:17
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so it was really, it was like a very, like,
• 18:20
  Speaker 9: I think Edgar Wright was probably like my biggest, like,
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: you know, inspiration on like what I was trying to
• 18:25
  Speaker 9: tap into overall in the film.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Just like, I love him as a director.
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: I love, you know, the way that he creates those
• 18:32
  Speaker 9: like character dynamics and how he translates that visually.
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: So we kind of use that as like kind of
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: the guiding light for it.
• 18:40
  Speaker 9: But I think the really fun part was like outside
• 18:42
  Speaker 9: of like those references, we really just wanted to make
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: something that was totally our own. So I tried my
• 18:48
  Speaker 9: best not to bring too much into production from.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: The pre-production just to keep it loose.
• 18:55
  Speaker 9: And kind of like what you were saying, when things
• 18:58
  Speaker 9: go wrong and you have to make quick adjustments or
• 19:01
  Speaker 9: really big adjustments, like the 8-bit visualization we did, you
• 19:06
  Speaker 9: kind of don't, I think as a director, you don't
• 19:09
  Speaker 9: want to be locked into a particular, like, you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 9: style or, or, or mood. You want to be able
• 19:14
  Speaker 9: to kind of move through whatever your actors are giving you, uh, whatever,
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: just the production environment is kind of giving you, because
• 19:21
  Speaker 9: then you create something different, something that's unique as opposed
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: to just trying to emulate what's already been done.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: Well, that's funny you say that. Cause I definitely got
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: some Edgar Wright, uh, vibes from the movie specifically with some,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: some of the editing and how some scenes were done.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: But going back to the references of like Pineapple Express
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: and the friendships and stuff like that, I feel that
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: as well because, yeah, like I said, from the beginning
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: you get the idea that Ben and Dylan have been
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: friends for quite some time. I mean, how long have
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: you guys known each other in real life? 93.
• 19:53
  Speaker 9: 93.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: Too long.
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: Too long.
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: Now, 93 the year or 93 years?
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: 93 the year.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: Okay, got it.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: It's from the womb.
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: No, we met in college, second year of college.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: We were in the same sort of acting cohort together.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and we really didn't know each other at all
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: first year. We knew of each other, but we were
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: in different groups. And then I think actually we met
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: over the summer between the two years because Ben's from Maryland.
• 20:35
  Speaker 7: our other friends from Maryland and I was going down
• 20:37
  Speaker 7: there anyway. And he was like, Oh, I invited this guy,
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: Ben Long. And I was like, come on. Like, I
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: don't know this guy. I was like, great. I got
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: to deal with like being on for this person. I
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: barely know. And then literally within like, I don't know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: 10 minutes, Ben, I hit it off like immediately and
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: going to like theater school and acting school. Like you
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: meet a lot of people that like, and this is
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: totally fine, but you meet a lot of people that are, they,
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: want to be taken very seriously, want to explore all
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: the depths of human emotion. And there are some of
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: us who really liked Back to the Future as a
• 21:15
  Speaker 7: kid and wanted to do stuff like that. So Ben
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: and I hit it off almost immediately with just the
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: kind of stuff we like. And also, I think junior
• 21:26
  Speaker 7: year or so, we started writing together very dumb 10-minute things.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: Love it.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: we just kept writing ever since then. So it, it
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: wasn't hard for us to write. Even the things we
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: wrote in the past, it was almost always like a
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: version of Ben and me as the two leads. So
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: it really wasn't too difficult to do that again for
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: a full length type of movie.
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: And you know, horror comedies are, are a balancing act
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: because you don't want to be too heavy handed on
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: one end. But I think this one does a great
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: job of kind of front loading a lot of comedy
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: and before everything gets a little serious, but you guys
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: still keep the lightness and comedic beats perfectly timed, especially
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: with all the, you guys have so many good running jokes.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: And I'm wondering, how did you strike that balance as writers,
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: knowing when to be funny and kind of when to
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: lean into more serious bits?
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think we just, we kind of
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: just wrote what we wanted to write, which was a
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: nice way of going about it without thinking.
• 22:28
  Speaker 8: About like, okay, we got it.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: We got to serve the one side here and we
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: have to serve the other side there. It was really
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: just like, okay, like story, story, story. And, and, and,
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: you know, putting in, I honestly, I think we just
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: tried to get in like as many jokes as we could,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: but without like, without losing the heart. And then I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: think a second part of that was that I think
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: our earlier drafts didn't have as much heart in them
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: as the later drafts did.
• 22:53
  Speaker 8: And a big part of that was Caleb.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Caleb was like, we really got to see like the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: friendship here and why they care about each other and stuff.
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: And we're like, ew, gross, man.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Don't make me feel.
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: Because it's like about us, right?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Like we don't want to talk about it that way
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: with each other.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: So it was like, ew.
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: But I mean, Caleb was right, you know?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: And we had to go back and write that stuff.
• 23:12
  Speaker 8: And, you know, usually in a separate room from each other.
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: did you actually write that you love this guy? And
• 23:19
  Speaker 8: you're like, no, I didn't write that.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: No, no, it wasn't me. It wasn't me. I blacked
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: out for that.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it wasn't, it was never, I don't think Dylan,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: did you ever feel like it was like, okay, we
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: have to tell a joke here.
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: We got to be serious here. It was, it just
• 23:31
  Speaker 8: seemed like the moments were there.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Like, like when my sister gets kidnapped, it was like, okay,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: well obviously he's.
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: Going to be really serious about it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And maybe, maybe Dylan's character is a little bit like
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: still aloof on, on that. And, Um, and then, but
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: still trying to get back to humor, like quickly after that. Uh,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: cause you know, that's how we all deal with, with
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: our sisters being kidnapped, uh, in my experience.
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: But, um, well, it did happen to us. This did
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: all happen.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, it did start with me paying someone to
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: kidnap my sister, but that's.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: A whole other story.
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: That's a different podcast. And I will say also, I
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: just love movies that, like this was honestly a thing
• 24:14
  Speaker 7: i remember talking about a lot early on with ben
• 24:16
  Speaker 7: and caleb like i just like movies that take place
• 24:19
  Speaker 7: within like 24 hours or so like this does this
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: takes longer than 24 hours but it was so you
• 24:24
  Speaker 7: hate our film i hate it because it's not 24
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: hours you know it should have been one day yeah
• 24:32
  Speaker 7: uh but it's easy it was easy to go from
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: scene to scene like because it's like Okay, that happened. So... Okay,
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: that happened. So what happens next? Like, what's the logical
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: next thing that would happen in a situation like this?
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: And because of that, I think it was kind of
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: easier at times to find where the jokes would come
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: because we weren't having to play this game of, like,
• 24:52
  Speaker 7: all right, well, now the next scene takes place five
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: days later in their lives. So, like, what do we
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: need to catch up on now? What do we need to, like,
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: say next?
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: But....
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: In terms of adding comedy and stuff, not to go
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: back to it, but when we added the pixel stuff,
• 25:10
  Speaker 7: there were plenty more opportunities for jokes that hadn't even been... Honestly,
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: the crow thing... The crow thing. literally happened like almost
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: in the recording studio for like the art.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Pro actors were terrible it was insane you.
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: Wouldn't believe what it would have been like.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Nightmare yeah and whatever you're imagining like in costumes or
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: actual crows we had all the sexier sex all of
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: it it was.
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: Sexy but it just didn't work okay yeah yeah I.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Was going to say, that was going to be one
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: of my questions, is where did you find all these
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: good-looking people for this movie? Because every single person on screen,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm falling in love with this person. Oh,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: my God. Who's the friend that knows all of these
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: good-looking people? Who is it?
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: Rank Dylan and Ben right now.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Rank Dylan and Ben. I mean, 10 out of 10.
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's no denying.
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: No, no, no. You have to pick one over the other.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: No, I can't.
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: You have to choose.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Then I have to pick Caleb. I have to go
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: with Caleb. That's smart.
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah. That's a smart decision.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Uh, so let's see, where was I? All these notes. Um,
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: I lose myself.
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: I just, where do we find all the sexy people?
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: Where did you find all the sex? I mean, cause
• 26:25
  Speaker 4: the thing I love about this movie too, uh, cause
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of things to love one. I got
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: to go back to the scene. Uh, I think right
• 26:32
  Speaker 4: before the sister gets kidnapped, when you guys are in
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: the little fort and she interjects herself and, scares the
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: shit out of you. One phenomenal kid actor, which is
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: very hard to come by. Usually kid actors are really
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: good or really bad. And even the kid that was
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: at the putt-putt course, he was hilarious as well. Literally,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: I don't think I've seen an indie movie in quite
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: some time where everyone on screen was great. I mean,
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: where did you find all these talented people?
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: Austin, I'm going to blow your mind.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: That kid actress that was playing my sister, 65 years old.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: Holy shit.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: What's her skincare routine? Cause I need that. It's crazy.
• 27:09
  Speaker 8: And she will not tell anyone.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's no, actually, but actually though, she's an adult.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: She's not 65, but I wanted to blow your mind
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: even crazier. But, um, but she's an adult with a
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: husband and stuff. And we were like, what we, it
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: was so crazy. because she looked so young we kept
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: we kept being like we would talk to her kind
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: of like a kid yeah also walk out to her
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: car and drive away and we're like oh shit to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: be fair to be fair ben and i were filming
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: the tent scene when she showed up so ben and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: i stuck in the tent the entire day basically and
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: then when we meet her she was already in costume.
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: Like she was already in like her Girl Scout costume.
• 27:55
  Speaker 7: So we're like, hi, like, how are you doing? And
• 28:00
  Speaker 7: she's like, I'm good.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: I just got from my husband. And we'd be like,
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: Oh my God, that's right.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: You are not.
• 28:05
  Speaker 7: Actually a child. It was really, it was trippy. She
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: was great though. She was fantastic. Uh, we did, we
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: did a.
• 28:11
  Speaker 8: Casting call, um, as you do for films.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: Um, Uh, and that's where we got most of our people.
• 28:18
  Speaker 8: Uh, and I will say we didn't have any callbacks,
• 28:20
  Speaker 8: which was crazy.
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Uh, and let that just be a note to all those,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: you know, other people shooting their films. I, as an actor,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I'm so annoyed by callbacks.
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: I'm just like, you know, but, uh, but we knew
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: who we wanted. We got all of our top choices,
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: which was crazy.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: But, uh, and then there were like a couple of
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: friends sprinkled in there and some crazy things. So like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the other kid, the, the actual kid, um, That was
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: at the putt-putt that hit my, he's actually 72. No,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: he was like a friend's, like my mom's friend's kid
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: back home who had never acted before and then could
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: memorize lines like crazy. We were super lucked out because
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: we were shooting in this small town where it's not
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: really known as a acting town other than producing me.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: But it was just like kind of crazy that way.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: And then like the guy who played Well, our friend Dan,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: who played Cody, we went to school with.
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: Okay. Do we have any other friends in this?
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: My dad makes a cameo as the.
• 29:23
  Speaker 8: Janitor in the arcade.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: Love it. Okay.
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: Yeah, but it was crazy.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: We just met these great people who we've stayed in
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: contact with.
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: Sam, actually, who played... uh, yeah.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Uh, who played my love interest in the thing was from, uh, NYU.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: So we knew her from that, but she, we made
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: her audition. So it's one of those fun things when you're,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: you make your friend, you're like, you're like, I think
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: you'd be great for this.
• 29:54
  Speaker 8: And they're like, awesome. And you're like, but we love
• 29:55
  Speaker 8: to see you actually.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Make a tape for this i'm not gonna hand you
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: the role but.
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: Yeah everyone that uh like ben said this kind of
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: already but everyone we wanted to be basically got and
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: wow it was basically fully just off of their tape
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: like their first tape they sent in and it was
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: just so obvious most of the time like like really
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: someone we do all these tapes and Not that they
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: were all terrible, but we'd see some that were like, oh,
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: that's close. Like, there's a world in which we could
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: make this work. And then we would see, you know, like, Quinns,
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: who plays Becca, the other goth cult girl. Like, she
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: submits hers, and it's like, oh, my God. Obviously, Piper
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: as well plays Jenny. Like, literally, we were scouring for
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: so long for the Jenny character. And then Ben found
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: the tape first, and he was like, you got to
• 30:50
  Speaker 7: watch this one. And it was just so, it was
• 30:53
  Speaker 7: like making us laugh, which is, that was the biggest takeaway.
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: It was like any tape that would make us like laugh,
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: like for real, it was like, okay, this is probably
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: the person we should go with because they had an
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: understanding of it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Piper admitted later that she kind of played hard to get.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: And so I reached out and was like, hey, I
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: just want to like check your availability. And she was like,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm supposed to be shooting this other film.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: And like blah, blah, blah.
• 31:19
  Speaker 8: And it did work because we were kind of like, oh.
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: My God, we got to lock it down.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: We were freaking out.
• 31:23
  Speaker 8: We were like, we got to move the dates. We
• 31:24
  Speaker 8: got to do the thing.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And then we came back and we were like, we
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: can't move the dates, but they just are what they are.
• 31:28
  Speaker 8: And she's like, okay, I'll try to.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: Make it work.
• 31:30
  Speaker 8: And then we made it work.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: And then later on, she was like, I just want
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: you to know that movie like wasn't really real.
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: She also couldn't, she also can't drive. I don't, I
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: think she still can't drive. I mean, a whole scene
• 31:43
  Speaker 7: where she, is driving the car. It's like a very
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: big part of the movie that she's driving her car.
• 31:49
  Speaker 7: And we wanted her for the part so badly that
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: we were willing to change it to have Dan's character
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: drive the car. And she's sitting in the backseat for
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: some reason. Okay, no, that's okay. We can make this work.
• 31:59
  Speaker 7: It doesn't matter. Like, it's worth it. It's worth it.
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Oh, goodness. I love this so much. Yeah, that's crazy how...
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: Because usually that's not how it works. You have to
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: go through all these choices. But to get everyone that
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: you wanted... pretty much right off the bat, is quite amazing.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: I think one of my favorite, probably, side characters has
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: got to be, I don't know who played Orlando, the
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: guy in the cornfield, but he was 10 out of 10,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: loved him. He was great, and then, of course, I
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: really enjoy, I mean, she's not a side character, but
• 32:29
  Speaker 4: I really enjoyed Chloe as well. The cult leader, though,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: he was great, and I don't remember, I was trying
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: to scroll through to find him in the listing, but
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: I can't seem... Oh, is it Jason Bernard? Is that him?
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah. He was great as well. I just, it's, it's
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: just crazy to me how usually in indie films, there's
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: like that one person or a couple of people that
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: just are like, Oh, you're almost at the level. But
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: for me, I, everyone was just on the same page
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: and it works so well, which for me, you know,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: acting is obviously one of the things that can take
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: you out of a film if it's not good. So
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: to have all of these very talented people involved, I
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: think it was incredible. Um, so props to you for that.
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: And not only do you have a great cast, you have,
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, the, the movie looks great. You have all
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: of those fun inserts. And I still can't believe that
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: those were like a last minute idea because it literally
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: feels like the driving narrative.
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: Um, don't tell anyone. Don't put that in a podcast.
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, no. We're not, I'm not
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: recording this at all. Oh goodness. So, uh, is there
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: anything like, is there any backstory that exists that never
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: made it on screen? Like, did you do a lot
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: of character development? For Ben and Dylan? Or did you
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: kind of just go by the, like, fly by the
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: seat of your pants with your characters?
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: I mean, there was a world.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: We did a whole backstory of, like, the cult, basically. Like,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: we were like, we got to sit down and, like,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: figure out what this cult is. I think there was,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: we were trying to take the easy route of, like,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: just kind of just going with it. And we were like,
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: this is, there are too many things that we need
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: answered in our minds to keep going without creating this backstory.
• 34:09
  Speaker 7: So we did that.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Uh, in terms of us, I think because we were
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: kind of basing it off of the two of us,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: we did, we didn't do a crazy backstory on that.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I think we understood like that it's in the film,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: but it's like my character wanted more and Dylan, you know,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: wanted kind of the status quo and, and, and where
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: we go.
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: To, where we go from there.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: But one fun thing that didn't make it was we
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: really want, well, there were two things. One was we
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: wanted this whole scene where like the cult, when they
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: leave the church, they were going to go take over
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the town. And, we were going to do this whole
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: scene on the main street of my hometown. And, uh,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: we just, we just didn't have time to shoot that. Um,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: and we had like at the time told the mayor
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: that he was going to have a role in the film.
• 34:54
  Speaker 7: Didn't have time to do that. Um, and then that's
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: the best way to get anything done for your movie
• 34:59
  Speaker 7: is you just tell the mayor, Hey, we're going to
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: put you in the movie.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: Where I said that.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Yep. Then the other thing was like, we were going
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: to do one of these like fun sort of, I
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: saw it a lot done in scrubs where the thing,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: the action continues and you think this thing has happened
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: and then it kind of rewinds and you realize that
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: that thing never happened. And we were going to do
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: that when my sister tells me to go to, uh,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: the police station and we were going to go and
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: then the police were going to go round up the
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: cult and the mayor, this was the mayor's part was
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: he was going to give us the key to the
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: city and, uh, Dylan was going to be with Jenny
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: and they were going to have kids and it like,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: it was all just like going to do it. And
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: then it was going to like smash cut to the
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: police cop laughing at us, which ends up happening in
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the film. We did not have time to do any
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: of that shit. We were like, what can we cut?
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: And it was like that, which killed me. And I
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: think at a point I.
• 35:56
  Speaker 8: Was like, Dylan, why do we even make this movie?
• 35:58
  Speaker 8: We can't do this thing.
• 35:59
  Speaker 7: It was Ben's number one thing. This is so stupid.
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: The movie does not need that.
• 36:05
  Speaker 8: And I was like, I think the whole reason I'm
• 36:08
  Speaker 8: making it.
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: It turns out montages are a bitch to film because
• 36:13
  Speaker 7: you have to have like a thousand locations. Now, whenever
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: we're writing something, I'm like, oh, my God, we're writing
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: a montage again. Like we can't keep doing this to ourselves.
• 36:23
  Speaker 7: Another scene that did not make the cut that I
• 36:26
  Speaker 7: always forget even was in the script until I kind
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: of like look back at it. We had a whole
• 36:30
  Speaker 7: scene where Ben and Dylan are running away from the
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: two cult girls. Like after, I think it was like,
• 36:38
  Speaker 7: so like we find out they've kidnapped the sister, I think.
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: Or no, no, no.
• 36:42
  Speaker 7: It was this whole thing where we, when we were
• 36:44
  Speaker 7: hiding in the bathroom, like when we're at, we're having like,
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: I don't know, lunch or whatever it is with them.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 36:51
  Speaker 7: We run away and we were going to have the
• 36:53
  Speaker 7: cool girls like chase us and they're looking for us
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: and they can't find us. And then a wide shot
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: where they're like, well, we don't know where they are.
• 36:59
  Speaker 7: Let's go back and kidnap the sister instead. And then
• 37:01
  Speaker 7: we like pull back and we see that Ben and
• 37:03
  Speaker 7: Dylan are hiding on a roof of a house. And
• 37:06
  Speaker 7: the mom, it's like, it's the boy who the kid
• 37:10
  Speaker 7: at the beginning of the movie, it's his house. And
• 37:12
  Speaker 7: he like rats us out to his mom. And then
• 37:15
  Speaker 7: it would smash cut to us having to clean the
• 37:18
  Speaker 7: gutters for her while we're up there.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Like, like as, like punishment like.
• 37:23
  Speaker 7: Oh sorry yeah exactly and you know there was a
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: i remember there's a scout day earlier when we first
• 37:29
  Speaker 7: were going to ben's hometown to like scout it out
• 37:31
  Speaker 7: i remember we were like scouting roofs do you remember
• 37:33
  Speaker 7: that we were like which one of these houses could
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: we get up.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: On yeah it was crazy well and i wanted i
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: had this house like in mind and it used to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: be my grandfather's house and uh, someone else owns it now.
• 37:45
  Speaker 8: Because he's dead.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: And, but I don't know why I had to say
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: like that, but, uh, foreclosure, but I, I, I like
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: contacted them and I was like, you know, it's my
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: grandfather's house and you know, and they were like, yeah,
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: of course you can shoot here.
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: And I was like, it would be on the roof.
• 37:58
  Speaker 8: And they were like, no, that's fair.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: That's fair.
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: Grandpa wanted it.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: He would really want us to get on that roof.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: Well, one of my questions was going to be, was
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: there any limitations that forced you to make different decisions?
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: But we've answered that with the inserts. But Caleb, during
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: the directing of this movie, I feel like I've made
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: one short film that has said I'm still editing because
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: I'm realizing editing is not my thing. I need to
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: be behind the camera. Was there a moment where you
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: guys were just like, we're never going to finish this?
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: This is never going to happen? Did that moment ever
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: occur to you? or happen?
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: Every day.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Every day.
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: Okay. So I, I love telling this story because I
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: think it is like, I think as like a filmmaker,
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: it is like the, the perfect representation of what I
• 38:56
  Speaker 9: think your first real.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Big project should go and feel like.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: At least myself that, uh, day one, we were supposed
• 39:04
  Speaker 9: to shoot all of our cornfield scenes. Cause essentially what
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: we had done was, uh, Um, we had asked the
• 39:10
  Speaker 9: man who owned this land, who owned this cornfield to
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: like wait to harvest his crop so that.
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: We could shoot this scene.
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: Um, and so he did, he waited like, what was it?
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: He waited like an extra two weeks for us or
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: something like that. Oh, shit.
• 39:25
  Speaker 9: And we get there to shoot on day one and
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: just pouring down rain, you know, just like, which.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: You can kind of tell.
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: Flooding, like literal flooding.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Oh, shit.
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: There's some shots where like Ben and Dylan, when they're
• 39:38
  Speaker 9: sitting on the couch and stuff, like you can tell
• 39:40
  Speaker 9: that it's rainy, it's wet, they're getting kind of rained on,
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: but Um, you know, it kind of just put like,
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: it was, it was such a monumental, it was like
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: a mountain that we had to like overcome and, you know,
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: it got so wet. We had to like cancel, like,
• 39:55
  Speaker 9: you know, the second half of the day, um, the
• 39:58
  Speaker 9: production van that I was driving got stuck in the mud, um,
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: like on location. So we sent the crew away, like
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: sent them, sent them back. And I, I stayed with
• 40:09
  Speaker 9: one of the production vehicles. And so I'm sitting in,
• 40:11
  Speaker 9: I'm sitting in the, in the van. I called my,
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: she was my fiance at the time, wife now, but
• 40:17
  Speaker 9: I called her with tears running down my face.
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: And I was like, I made the biggest mistake of
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: my life. I can't believe this movie's never going to
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: get made.
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: It's day one.
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: Look how terrible this all is.
• 40:29
  Speaker 9: And, and we had come, I had come to find
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: out cause like I didn't, I was, I was strong
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: in the moment for, for Ben and Dylan, but it
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: was like the same exact thing. It was happening on
• 40:38
  Speaker 9: the other end of these boys too.
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: Cause it was, it was just such a punch in
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: the gut.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: And God, day one, that's, that's rough. That's rough.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It was crazy because yeah, we found out like I
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: was crying in my room.
• 40:50
  Speaker 8: I was like, this is never going to happen. Like,
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: this is crazy. And then it was funny.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: It was like, Caleb and I are like going through it,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: hell and Dylan too. And, and then we roll up to,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't think Caleb came, but rolled up
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: to like this Chinese restaurant where like we kind of
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: sent everyone and like, and most of the cast wasn't
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: on that day. And, Like they had just gotten into
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: town and they're like, they're having the time of their lives.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: They're ordering like Kung Pao chicken and shit. And they're
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: just like chowing down and they're having fun. And I'm
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: just like, how can anyone be having fun right now?
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: We're doing, we don't have a movie anymore. This was like,
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: it was like a crazy, like, I was like, I
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: have to remove my, I think I just left. I
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: was like, I can't be here.
• 41:33
  Speaker 8: Like, I got a to-go container and was just like,
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: I can't do this. But it was crazy.
• 41:37
  Speaker 7: I'll be fully honest. I don't– I want to make
• 41:40
  Speaker 7: it clear. I was not going through it as hard
• 41:41
  Speaker 7: as Ben.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Okay, I didn't want to say it.
• 41:44
  Speaker 8: I was like, he was having fun with the actors.
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: I don't need– I don't want there to be this
• 41:49
  Speaker 7: rewrite of history. I was having a blast. No, I
• 41:53
  Speaker 7: was like– I don't know. To be completely honest, I
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: was partially on, like, cast morale dude where i was
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: like i would be with them and i'd be like
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: everything's good don't because i was aware of these conversations
• 42:06
  Speaker 7: having with ben and caleb and i was like you
• 42:08
  Speaker 7: know we don't want it spreading that like we're panicking
• 42:12
  Speaker 7: right now so there were definitely days where they'd be
• 42:14
  Speaker 7: like is everything like how's it going on the other
• 42:16
  Speaker 7: side i'm like it's going well man that's going really
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: well like meanwhile i know for a fact that like
• 42:21
  Speaker 7: there's a part another part of that story with the
• 42:23
  Speaker 7: cornfield was that we had gone to the guy to
• 42:25
  Speaker 7: be like can we come back what was it like
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: next weekend or something like that? And they were like,
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: we're literally, or a day later.
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: No, actually what happened was we shot an extra day there.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, you don't look at the footage
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: really until that weekend. Cause you're just moving, moving, moving.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: And Caleb was looking at it and was like, you know,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: we missed a couple of things that we need.
• 42:44
  Speaker 8: And we were like, okay, we'll just go. It was crazy.
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: We'll just go this weekend.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: And one of our other producers was like, No, you
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: have to rest and blah, blah, blah. And we were like,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: fuck that. We're going and shooting this thing. So literally,
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: we didn't tell anyone. Dylan, Caleb, our DP, Talyn, and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: I just got in this van, didn't tell anyone, just left.
• 43:06
  Speaker 8: And we drive up to the cornfield, and it's all
• 43:09
  Speaker 8: mowed down.
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: It's gone. It's already gone.
• 43:12
  Speaker 8: And we were like, oh, my God.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: And luckily, I live in this freaking rural corn town
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: where– We drove like 15 minutes and by some stroke
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: of luck, this other farmer hadn't mowed down their corn.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: And we were like, okay, we should go ask their permission.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: And then we were like, no, we shouldn't. They're never
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: going to let us do this. And we just kind
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: of like.
• 43:34
  Speaker 8: Snuck into the cornfield and shot the scene.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: And then didn't end up using it.
• 43:40
  Speaker 7: We ended up doing the eight bit of, it was
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: a bright, beautiful day. So it didn't match at all.
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: But we have this great memory now of the four
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: of us, like sneaking into a cornfield. Like it felt
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: like I was like six years old. And honestly, I
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: was like, is this like a high school thing I
• 43:55
  Speaker 7: would have done? Probably.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Well, and the last thing I'll say about like, not
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: thinking we'd finished, we, we wrapped up production a week
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: early in Maryland and, Cause we just weren't ready for
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: like the finale and things. And we, we came to
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: this decision that we would go shoot in LA a
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: month later now, or two months later. And that decision
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: was like a crazy decision. Cause it was like, we're
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: sending everyone away. We'd have to get everyone back, whatever.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: And we were also going to shoot at the end
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: of January and this is still prime COVID time. Yeah.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: And we're like, everyone's going to have been together with
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: their family for Christmas and then for new year's. someone's
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: bound to get COVID in the cast because we had
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: a pretty big cast.
• 44:39
  Speaker 8: No one got COVID.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: It was, it was insane. It was, it just all
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: lucked out. And we, we powered through. I mean, we
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: were like, and credit to Caleb too. He was like,
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: it was the thing where I was like, we can't
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: send people away from Maryland. We're never going to finish this.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: And he was like, I promise we're going to finish this.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, we'll see.
• 44:57
  Speaker 8: But, and I got it done.
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: And then it rained day one in LA. Hey, it's
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: not going to rain.
• 45:01
  Speaker 7: It's, it's sunny 365 out of the year, you.
• 45:03
  Speaker 9: Know, and day one, it rained, but I, Like as
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: a filmmaker, I love like talking about this because like
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: after the first day and the challenges that we had
• 45:17
  Speaker 9: and like the end of the world that we felt
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: like it was going to be, you know, we pushed
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: through that and we came in the next day and
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: we came in with the intention of like, we're going
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: to work our absolute hardest and we're going to do
• 45:26
  Speaker 9: the best possible job that we can do with what's
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: given to us. And then from there on, like, of course,
• 45:33
  Speaker 9: you know, things happen. There's always going to be problems
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: that come up, but the experience was like day and
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: night from like, if I would have given up on
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: that day one, I would have missed out on like
• 45:42
  Speaker 9: the best experience of my life. Like so many memories
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: that I still like think about fondly, you know, all
• 45:48
  Speaker 9: these years later.
• 45:49
  Speaker 8: And he's got, he's, he's got married like this past year.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: He has the.
• 45:53
  Speaker 7: Best experience of his life.
• 45:54
  Speaker 8: I just want his wife to know that.
• 45:55
  Speaker 9: You know, it's like, as a filmmaker and to other filmmakers, like,
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: you know, don't run from those, like those problems and
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: that overwhelming feeling that like everything is going wrong and
• 46:10
  Speaker 9: it's never going to get done. If you can push
• 46:12
  Speaker 9: past that and you, and you go in with the
• 46:14
  Speaker 9: intention of like, I'm going to do the absolute best
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: I can. I'm going to work as hard as I
• 46:19
  Speaker 9: possibly can. Like it became, you know, what it is today,
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: which like, again, day one, I thought it was all over.
• 46:27
  Speaker 9: And now it's like, my proudest accomplishment over getting married,
• 46:31
  Speaker 9: you know, you know, it's.
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: It's, it's stuck with me.
• 46:36
  Speaker 10: So it's also like, and that same on the same point,
• 46:41
  Speaker 10: like I think of the beauty of like making an
• 46:44
  Speaker 10: indie and like allowing yourself to roll with the punches
• 46:49
  Speaker 10: on a good indie film is that you do come
• 46:51
  Speaker 10: up with these discoveries, like while you're already making the movie.
• 46:54
  Speaker 7: Like, I don't think, that is normal on like a
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: larger scale production. But the fact that like on day one,
• 47:01
  Speaker 7: we didn't know that there was going to be a
• 47:03
  Speaker 7: pixel aspect on day one. We thought that the climax
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: of the scene was, or of the movie was going
• 47:08
  Speaker 7: to be like woods in Ireland. Uh, like that church,
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: that whole class in the church, that's a location we
• 47:16
  Speaker 7: found in LA literally in the hiatus between, uh, shooting
• 47:21
  Speaker 7: in Maryland and shooting in LA. And, and there were
• 47:23
  Speaker 7: just so many times where that would happen, where we
• 47:26
  Speaker 7: would find something or come up with, come up with
• 47:29
  Speaker 7: an idea where it's like, how did that not, how
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: was that not always what it was going to be?
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: Like the church is so perfect for the ending. Um,
• 47:37
  Speaker 7: the fact I can't picture the ending any other, other
• 47:40
  Speaker 7: way now.
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 47:41
  Speaker 7: And that 100%, should not have been where the movie happened.
• 47:46
  Speaker 7: You know what I mean? Like that, there is no
• 47:47
  Speaker 7: reason why it should have happened there. And yet it,
• 47:49
  Speaker 7: it is. And now it's just a part of it. And, um,
• 47:53
  Speaker 7: it's so exciting. Like those are the, like you prep
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: as much as you can in pre-production, but there are
• 47:58
  Speaker 7: always going to be things that you don't see coming. Um,
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: so it, it's, that's the kind of the most exciting
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: part in a lot of ways, because it is tough.
• 48:06
  Speaker 7: It's very complicated, but you feel so much, not just relief,
• 48:10
  Speaker 7: but like sense of pride and accomplishment. Cause you're like, wow,
• 48:13
  Speaker 7: like that was a, the whole thing that never would
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: have existed had we not tried to figure out and
• 48:19
  Speaker 7: solve the issue in the moment.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Well, that's the, that's the thing I love about indie
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: films is because everyone involved, I'd say for the, for
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: the most part is doing it because it's something that
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: they love and they want to do. So you'll do
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: whatever you need to, to get like what you guys
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: have been saying. Like you didn't expect half of this
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: stuff to happen, but it happened the way it did
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: because you guys were motivated to get this done. A
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: lot of the times with big Hollywood productions, they have
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: things so planned out. And if they can't do it,
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: we'll just CG it or we'll just green screen it
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: or whatever. There's no heart there. But you can tell
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: that everyone involved in this is very passionate about making movies, comedies, horror,
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it. And it's very evident
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: if you watch the movie that you guys are definitely
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: very passionate people. Is there... Are you guys all horror,
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: I'd say all horror fans from, you know, like A1
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: since day one? Or do you guys get into horror
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: a little bit later in life? I'm a very late
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: bloomer to horror myself. But I'm wondering, you know, is
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: that like your preferred genre or? is that something you
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: kind of just watch every now and again? We'll start
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: with Caleb.
• 49:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, go Caleb first.
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: For me, I'd always like, I'd always like watched horror films.
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: They weren't like my first go-to because I did live
• 49:33
  Speaker 9: in like, I just always wanted to watch comedies or
• 49:35
  Speaker 9: I wanted to watch like action films. But as I
• 49:38
  Speaker 9: kind of started to get older, my, like, tastes in, like,
• 49:42
  Speaker 9: movies and stuff changed.
• 49:43
  Speaker 5: I started to find myself.
• 49:43
  Speaker 9: Watching horror films a lot more and appreciating them a.
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: Lot more for what they are.
• 49:48
  Speaker 9: And especially since making this film, like, I've really, for
• 49:53
  Speaker 9: the first time, like, have kind of been exposed to, like,
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: the horror community. And that's been, like, a really cool
• 49:59
  Speaker 9: part of the process because it's, like, this whole world of, like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 9: really cool collaboration and support that like, I don't, I
• 50:07
  Speaker 9: don't see anywhere else in like any other genre.
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: Um, I was just at monster, uh, Palooza out here
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: in LA.
• 50:14
  Speaker 7: Oh, nice.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:16
  Speaker 5: And it was my first like horror con that I
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: had gone to. Um, but it was, it was unbelievable.
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: Like seeing all the special effects, makeup artists and all
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: like these like retro movie poster creationists, like all of
• 50:27
  Speaker 9: these like creators and collaborators there, um, presenting their work
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: and then supporting each other. Like I had people, you know,
• 50:34
  Speaker 9: I shook hands with probably like a thousand people just
• 50:36
  Speaker 9: in one day.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:38
  Speaker 9: Just cause they were like, Hey, what's your movie? What, what,
• 50:40
  Speaker 9: you know, what is this about? Talk to me about it. And, um,
• 50:43
  Speaker 9: as someone who works in LA a lot, uh, I,
• 50:46
  Speaker 9: I just don't see that through other genres. Um, so
• 50:50
  Speaker 9: I think that to me has been like the, the
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: coolest part of the process is learning about not just
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: horror films, but the community like within it that support it.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah. The horror community is, is, uh, especially when it
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: comes to making films is great. Uh, the, the social
• 51:06
  Speaker 4: media aspect of it on like, let's say Facebook is
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: the most toxic place you'll ever be. Uh, so, but
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: the true horror fans and the people that can get
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: together and, and talk about horror movies, it's a genuinely
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: great community, especially at the horror conventions and stuff like that. Uh, it's,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: you know, Facebook and all that stuff is just toxic altogether,
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: but Yeah, I think that's one of the big aspects
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: of of the horror genre I like is the community
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: and the friends I've made from this podcast and, you know,
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: directors I've interviewed and stuff like that. Everyone like the
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: people I've reached out to to tell you guys, you know,
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: you guys were all like, hell, yeah, like, let's do this.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: And it's just it's I love the passion from filmmakers
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: that you guys just want to talk about your movie.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: And that's amazing. So what about Dylan and Ben? Are
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: we lifelong horror fans, or did we get into the
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: genre a little bit later?
• 51:58
  Speaker 7: I started out, when I was very little, I loved
• 52:03
  Speaker 7: Are You Afraid of the Dark?
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 52:06
  Speaker 7: And then I had a nightmare about one of the episodes,
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: and I swore off horror for a very long period
• 52:14
  Speaker 7: of time. But just in a way where I was like, no, no, no,
• 52:17
  Speaker 7: I can't handle that. I really can't handle that. Uh,
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: that's not for me.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 52:21
  Speaker 7: And then, and I think it was college, maybe like
• 52:24
  Speaker 7: the very end of college where I was dating someone
• 52:27
  Speaker 7: that loved horror movies. And I remember we would like
• 52:30
  Speaker 7: go see a movie and during the coming attractions, I
• 52:34
  Speaker 7: would see the most terrifying trailer I've ever seen in
• 52:36
  Speaker 7: my entire life. And I was sweating. I knew that
• 52:39
  Speaker 7: she was going to be like, we're going to go
• 52:40
  Speaker 7: see that. And I was like, Oh my God.
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: What did I sign up for?
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: Uh, but then honestly, like, uh, I fell in love
• 52:49
  Speaker 7: with horror movies and I really, really like slashers. I
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: see the Jace poster behind you or cut it. Like I,
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: I love Friday the 13th. I love those movies so much.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: And I think I partially love them because of the
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: fact that there is a, um, a format like, yeah.
• 53:10
  Speaker 7: Like being able to follow a format. Like I, like
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: I love, It's very similar to comedy in a lot
• 53:17
  Speaker 7: of ways, where there's a rhythm to how you write
• 53:21
  Speaker 7: a joke and how you write a slasher and stuff
• 53:23
  Speaker 7: like that. So I'm definitely not since day one for sure,
• 53:27
  Speaker 7: but it is now a thing I seek out more
• 53:31
  Speaker 7: than a lot of other stuff these days. And this
• 53:36
  Speaker 7: was my first foray into writing a horror, I'll say that.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: Also, with the whole horror community aspect and other... plug them.
• 53:46
  Speaker 7: I think all three of us, at least I was,
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: I think all three of us, I was like a
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: little worried at first. Cause like there were definitely parts
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: in the script originally that were a little more, uh,
• 53:55
  Speaker 7: like scarier. We would kind of go a little harder
• 53:57
  Speaker 7: at times. Um, and then some of that stuff went
• 54:01
  Speaker 7: away partially because of the pixel stuff. And, you know,
• 54:04
  Speaker 7: we went through a phase where we were a little worried, like,
• 54:06
  Speaker 7: can we even call this a horror comedy? Like, should
• 54:08
  Speaker 7: we just say it's a comedy with horror aspects? I'd
• 54:11
  Speaker 7: say for the most part, people that like love horror movies, uh,
• 54:15
  Speaker 7: No one, for the most part, has been like, this
• 54:18
  Speaker 7: isn't a horror movie. Like, I don't want to see that. Like,
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: it seems like people that love horror movies want to
• 54:23
  Speaker 7: see anything with any amount of the element of horror
• 54:26
  Speaker 7: in it. They are, like, down for it, which I
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: think is very, very cool. Because, you know, I could
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: totally understand a woman saying to me, like, what did
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: you say?
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: You haven't been on Facebook, Dylan.
• 54:38
  Speaker 7: Well, you know, I've had to. since the allegations, I
• 54:41
  Speaker 7: got to stay off of Facebook. So I don't need
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: to look at that.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: That's probably for the best. That's probably for the best. Well,
• 54:48
  Speaker 4: I think it's funny too, because there, to me, there's
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: a very distinct difference and this might not make sense
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: to a lot of people, but there's a distinct difference
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: between a comedy horror and a horror comedy. And what
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: I think you guys have done is a comedy horror, uh,
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: where you guys are, it's mainly focused on the comedy,
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: but the, the horror aspects are there where to me, like,
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: Evil Dead is more like a horror comedy. It is
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: a graphic movie that comes off funny, which, honestly, that's
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: probably the movie that I would say kind of invented
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: campiness because if you look at how it's listed on IMDb,
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: it's listed as a straight horror movie, and people loved
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: the campiness of it that in Evil Dead 2 they
• 55:28
  Speaker 4: went full into comedy. So Evil Dead is just listed
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: as a horror movie. Evil Dead 2 is a comedy
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: horror or a horror comedy. But I think what you
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: guys have done here is crafted a very, very fun
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: comedy that's dark at times and has, you know, I
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: love a good demonic cult movie. I can't even pronounce
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: the name of the fucking demon that's trapped in the necklace.
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: Ten out of ten on that name and the lore
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: building behind it because it's simple enough to be effective
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: and it's not over convoluted enough to be like, okay,
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: this doesn't make sense. So for your first foray into
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: writing a horror movie, I'd say you guys nailed it
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: because you also avoided a lot of horror tropes too
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: as well. But I don't want to forget about Ben
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: and his history with horror. So let me hear about
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: that and then we'll move on.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Well, I've actually got, it's nice that I'm the end
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: because I've got probably the least history with horror. I,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: you know, I came from a household that just didn't
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: really watch horror films and never had an interest. And
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: then this was kind of my my gateway into it.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: And I've since watched more and, uh, and.
• 56:37
  Speaker 8: Have been loving it.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: Um, so if anyone wants to use the Gothic cars
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: as a, as a gateway to horror, that's, that's, um,
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 56:45
  Speaker 8: I I'm for it. Um, yeah, that's basically all I
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: have to say.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I just watched widow's Bay, which I don't even know
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: if we can classify as horror, but I love that.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, did you, did you just finish it?
• 56:56
  Speaker 8: I just finished that.
• 56:57
  Speaker 7: So I'm ready to talk all the spoilers.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: What? All right. So, so this is going to be
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: the spoiler, uh, part of the episode.
• 57:04
  Speaker 8: Where we don't, it's going to be about Gothic slayers.
• 57:06
  Speaker 7: It's going to be.
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: About what we don't spoil. Gothic slayers. We spoil. Oh yeah. Um,
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: If you're not, seriously though, if you're not watching Widow's Bay,
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: get on that immediately.
• 57:16
  Speaker 8: Get on that shit. And it's not because I'm one
• 57:18
  Speaker 8: of the producers, but.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: It's so good. Someone recommended that to me. I was like,
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: Widow's Bay, what the fuck? And I started watching it.
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: It's very Stephen King coded. It is very, if you've
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: seen Midnight Mass from Mike Flanagan, it's like a combination
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: of those two things. And they also strike a really
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: great balance of horror and comedy because the mayor is
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: just this fucking doofus who is meandering his way through
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: all of these shenanigans. And then shit just starts to
• 57:50
  Speaker 4: get progressively more and more horrifying as it goes on.
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: So if you're not watching Widow's Bay, please get Apple TV.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: It's 100% worth it. I'm glad you mentioned that because, yeah,
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: that's a show... I started off, I was like, okay,
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: it's good. It's good. And then it kept going and
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh shit, this is, this is.
• 58:06
  Speaker 8: I was in the same camp.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Once you get like to the third episode or fourth,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: you're like, holy shit.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: Whenever the clown, whenever the clown charged it, I was like, ah.
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: You're like, oh, we're in a different world now.
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is not a world I like. I know
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: everyone on the podcast has heard my history, but since
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: everyone's sharing, I'll share my experience. I grew up in
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: a very Christian, strict household. So horror was just not part.
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: Of the cultural diet, if you will. So I... Let's see.
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: I mean, the first thing I remember seeing horror movie-wise was...
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: I think it was The Ring. We got that... My
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: parents let me rent that one because it was PG-13.
• 58:44
  Speaker 4: And scared the fuck out of me. That's so funny.
• 58:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 58:47
  Speaker 4: Obviously, because I was 12. And then... Oh, it goes
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: back further. So my very Christian friend, his mother led
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: us back to back Alien and Aliens when we were
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: probably about 10, which is a horrible idea. Terrified me.
• 59:03
  Speaker 4: Then I watched The Ring and I was like, I
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: think I'm done with horror movies.
• 59:07
  Speaker 7: My parents were right this whole time.
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were right.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: That is good.
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't even, now I'm wearing fucking satanic necklace.
• 59:19
  Speaker 4: And I couldn't even watch the, and I agree with
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: them now, the face melting scene in Indiana Jones, I
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: had to go around the corner for that. And when
• 59:28
  Speaker 4: I saw that at like 15, I was like, yeah, facts.
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have wanted to see that when I was 10.
• 59:33
  Speaker 4: But I got into so I peer pressure got the
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: better of me in high school. And all my friends
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: were like, oh, we're going to we're going to go
• 59:39
  Speaker 4: rent saw from Blockbuster. Fucking that's how old I am.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: And they go rent it. We come back and I'm like,
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: I don't want to, you know, I don't want to
• 59:48
  Speaker 4: be like the wuss that doesn't want to watch this.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: And then by the end of the movie, I was like,
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: holy shit, I think I like horror movies. So I
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: don't know what it says about me. That torture porn
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: is what got me into horror movies.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 7: That's so funny.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: But, yeah.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 7: Only this past year, I finally had the guts to
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 7: watch Saw for the first time. And I literally watched
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 7: it while listening to a podcast. They did a watch-along
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 7: to it.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 6: Oh, okay.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: They're watching it at the same time, so you sync
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 7: it up, you know?
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: And they're... They're not making fun of it, but they
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 7: are making jokes. It's kind of like Mystery Science Theater
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 7: 3000 on us, you know?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: I was like, I will watch this, but I need
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 7: to have people in my ear making jokes at the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 7: same time.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 7: That being said, I ended up loving Saw. I don't
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 7: know if I'm going to watch the sequels, but the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 7: first one is genuinely very good, so.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 4: I don't know. All right. Next time you want to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: watch a scary movie, just give me a call, and
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: I'll talk to you the whole time. We'll get through
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: it together. Fantastic.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: I will say, though, if you do dive into the
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: Saw movies, the first seven Saw movies have one of
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: the most... What's the word I'm looking for? Some of
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: the best continuity when it comes to storyline and progression.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: It is shockingly good. Seven's not the greatest. I would
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: say one through six are the core ones that matter.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: And then Jigsaw and then From the Book of Saw
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: weren't great. Then they brought it back with Saw X.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: But it's my favorite... franchise, which is, again, I don't
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: know what that says about me, that that's my favorite franchise.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: But here we are. And then on the opposite hand,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: you know, I love movies. Like, if you can see here,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: I've got the Toxic Avenger shirt on here.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 7: Oh, nice.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: Love me some Toxic Avenger. Shout out to Lloyd Kaufman.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: He was on the show last year.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: That's huge.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I just DM'd him, and he was like, I'd
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: love to be on the show. And I'm like, I
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: don't think you know who you're talking to, but that's fine.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 6: So.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 7: I know someone who knows him because, uh, I, I,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 7: I write a lot of sketch comedy, um, here in
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: New York. And when I first started taking sketch classes,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 7: I was taught by this guy, Brandon, who works with
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: them all, you know, I think has made movies for trauma.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: For trauma.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 7: So I've seen it that he's done stuff like some
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: Q and A's with Lloyd. And, uh, you're trying to
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 7: make him into Kevin Bacon. Yeah, there's degrees of separation.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: From Lloyd Kaufman. Yeah, the seven degrees of Lloyd Kaufman.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 7: Of Lloyd Kaufman. Those are seven degrees. Sometimes they're scary.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 7: You don't always want to be part of those seven degrees.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, no. Yeah, Laurie Kaufman is such a character.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: That's one that I didn't even prep with questions. I
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: just asked him one, and we were off to the
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 4: fucking races. Yeah, for sure. So let's go back here.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: Let's talk about some of the funny moments. One of
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: my favorite moments of this movie... is when you guys
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 4: are in it's it's back to the tent i don't
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 4: know how we keep ending up in this fucking tent
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: but when you guys like did we see what we
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: think we saw and you repeat the same thing that's
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: like what was that like a paragraph of dialogue literally
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: peeing my pants laughing i was like this this is
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: like peak comedy right here uh what are some of
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: your favorite moments that uh ended up or maybe didn't
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: end up in the movie we'll start with ben this time.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: That montage that didn't make it into it.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 8: I knew you were going to say that.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: Like, like what's a, what's a fun bit that you
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: really enjoy that, that, that made it into the movie.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 8: I did love the tent.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: And what was crazy was we did that on the
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: first take and then, and then subsequent takes, we, we
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: screwed it up.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 7: We couldn't get it.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: It was so crazy. Like, Caleb's like, great, we're going
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: in for coverage.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 8: And then it was like, we couldn't figure it out.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: One take, done.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll just use that take as our cut one.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: And we're like, awesome. That's good with me.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: Shit, I don't know.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 8: Come back to me.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 7: I love the... Sorry, sorry, sorry. I don't want it
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 7: to be stolen, so I gotta say it.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 6: I love the jail cell scene when he gives us
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 6: the thing like he's like oh everything you need to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: know is on this piece of paper and then it
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 6: says people i want to murder.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: Or whatever i want to kill just the way that
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: he's like no no no no no forget that happened.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: Or whatever this is what you need.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah and then the fact that the fact that i'm
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: literally i'm talking about things we wrote like isn't this
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: so funny but um the fact that the drawing that
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: he gives us is like that little barn like like
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 7: the dumbest map of all time. Like we did write that,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 7: but it wasn't until we saw it. Like once we
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: saw what the map looked like, I was like, okay,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 7: that actually, I knew that was your best work. Good stuff.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: All right, Kayla, what about you?
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 9: My, I think my favorite scene and in the film,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 9: and especially like from a director standpoint was the, uh,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 9: the kitchen, uh, scene when they're having dinner together because like,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 9: The whole bit of the dinners, it's so awkward and uncomfortable, and, like,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 9: so we got to just, like, play with all the
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 9: actors and, like, filling the space with comedy, like, finding
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 9: a way to kind of make these reaction shots, you know,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 9: really funny, like, Quinn drinking that blue drink over and
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 9: over and over.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: Again, like.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 9: She drank that stuff probably six or seven times.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: She was like, I'm going to throw up blue by
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: the end of this.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 9: Dad was just giving Tom, who plays the dad, he
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 9: was just giving the funniest faces in between because he's
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: so interested in what does it mean to be a
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 9: cashier at a grocery store.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: He's so fascinated by it. It's the coolest thing he's
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: ever heard.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 9: I think that that scene just in general was a
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 9: lot of fun and a quick little like fun tidbit
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: for that too is it was pitch black uh it
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 9: was dark uh in the middle of the night when
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 9: we shot that oh wow because we were like so
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 9: far behind in our day because the windows were supposed
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 9: to be open we were supposed to see out into
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 9: the bay um and we were so many hours past
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 9: that point that uh our lighting team had to like
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 9: light that whole area and you can't even tell and
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 9: it was really just jointing. Cause on the day we
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 9: shot there for like an hour and then we walk
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 9: outside and it's just like 11 o'clock at night.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: It was a mindfuck. It was so weird.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: It's like when you walk out of the movies and
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 4: it's still daytime, you're like, something's not right here. This
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: feels very off.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 8: Totally.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: Uh, speaking of some of the comedy, uh, beds, who
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: broke the most, uh, character like there's had to be
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: someone who constantly, it would be me if I was
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: in a comedy, I would never be able to keep
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: a straight face. So who do you think broke the
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 4: most in terms of their character?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 7: I will say that I don't think Ben and I
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 7: broke a lot, to be completely honest. But I will
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 7: say during the scene at the table, I think that
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 7: was the most Ben and I broke. And I think
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 7: that's partially because so many of the scenes, because we're narcissists,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 7: so many of the scenes are just Ben and me.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 7: So many scenes have just been Dylan in a room. Right.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 7: And that was the first time, I think, at least
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 7: while we were filming, that was the first scene we
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 7: did where a lot of the dialogue and a lot
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 7: of the comedy isn't coming just from Dylan doing stuff.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 7: So I'm sitting next to Quinn. I would look over
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: at her, and she'd be chugging something, or she's eating.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 7: I would look across at Ben, and we would just break. Truly,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 7: that scene was the hardest for, I think, both of
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 7: us to get through. But I mean... I don't know.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 7: Maybe because Ben and I were also producing it, I
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 7: think we were so afraid of wasting time. Yeah, we
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 7: didn't find a break.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: We were like, we don't have multiple takes here. We've
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: got to get through this.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: Fair, fair.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 7: We don't have a breaking budget.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: Joe was right, though.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it was just being able to,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: that was the biggest scene where we could just kind
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: of sit back and watch other people. And sort of
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: our acting job in that moment was to kind of
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: watch and respond.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 8: And that's, I think when you break the most, right.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: It's like when you can really listen versus, I think
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I have your cold Austin that's coming on.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 4: It's good.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 8: It is transmitted over podcast.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 7: Um, but yeah, that was the best.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: Another was the guy who played, uh, well, both guys
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: that played the caddy bros.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 8: They made me break all the time.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 4: God, they were funny. I love that scene right in
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: the beginning when the girl is trying to play golf poorly,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: trying to get their attention. Great.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 7: I love that. The thing is that that girl is
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 7: the worst. No, that's Ben's sister in real life. That's
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: Ben's actual sister.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: No shit.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: That's true.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah. And she was supposed to play the sister. but
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 7: she was doing a college play, and she was like,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 7: it's too boring. I can't miss out.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: She literally said to me, and I hope she sees this,
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: because she literally said to me, she said, if I
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: back out of this play, this college play, I'm going
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: to be blackballed in New York theater. And I was like,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: you're an insane person right now. My name on a list.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: But yeah, it was crazy. And then I think once
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: she saw the film, she was like, oh, I wish
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: I had a bigger part. I was like, no shit.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 7: We've frigging had this.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 8: I was like, yeah, it's so upsetting. To me and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 8: my parents, the executive producers.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: Well, that kind of answers this question, too, because I
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: was going to say what scene probably took the most takes.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming it was the dinner scene where everyone is
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: just breaking.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 7: Caleb, you would know that. Yeah, you would know better
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 7: than us. What felt like the longest? Day one, maybe, too. Well,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 7: that is 100%.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: Something you thought was going to be like, all right,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: we'll be in and out, this should be quick, that
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: turned into just like a never-ending process.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 5: Oh, boy.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 6: Um.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 9: You know, honestly, I know that the whole ending sequence, like,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 9: in the church, I was very confident, like, leading into
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 9: pre-production because I originally had, like, 75 shots for, like,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 9: this final fight sequence.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 9: And I'm like, I've got this all locked down. I
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 9: storyboarded everything. I've walked through with everybody.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: Like, I've got this. I was telling my DP, I'm like,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: don't worry.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Don't worry.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 9: Like, you know, we're going to fly through this stuff.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 9: And we did not. It ended up being, I mean,
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 9: I should have known, like, you know, because we have choreography,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 9: we have rigging, you know, we've got just these tons
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 9: of extras that are coming in and out of the
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 9: space and stuff. And I think by the end of it, like,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 9: we were in quite a few hours of overtime on
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 9: the last day, like, you know, racing to get our
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 9: last couple shots. And kind of towards the end of it, everyone's, like,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 9: zonked out. been a long 14 hours, I ended up
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 9: just grabbing the camera and I'm just.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: Like, all right, we're going like no slate. Like, you know, we're,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: we're setting up this shot. All right, we're shooting this.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 9: And I, there's some footage of me with the camera,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 9: you know, grabbing some shots and moving on. But yeah,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 9: I think that, I think that was probably the biggest undertaking, uh,
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 9: that took a lot longer than, than.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: I originally anticipated.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I, uh, one of my examples I tell, so the,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 4: like I said, we made a short film and literally
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: this scene is a stagnant camera shot. Our actor bends
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 4: down to open a box and some dust flies out.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 4: And I could not get the, it's literally should have
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: taken five minutes. I could not get the angle on
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: this fucking camera for the life of me. An hour
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: and a half later, I'm like, I just, we're using this.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: I don't care. We have to move on. We're losing daylight. Uh,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: so yeah, like it's, it's, it's so funny how sometimes
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: you're like, this will be easy. No problem. And then
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 4: you're like, why, why, why is this taking half a
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 4: day to, uh, I.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 7: Just thought of another, I just thought of another thing
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: that took forever.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 4: Oh, hit me with it.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 7: Speaking of the caddy bros, um, we have this, we
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 7: have the scene where, uh, Ben challenges, um, uh, the guy,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 7: his name is David in real life.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 7: The caddy do, uh, you know, the putt off to
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 7: see like whoever's putts the hole better, you know, doesn't
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 7: have to do the job or whatever. And we wanted
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: it to be, you know, we want David's character to
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 7: be putting the ball without breaking eye contact with Ben
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: because he's, like, that good at golf that he can
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 7: just do it without even looking at it. This guy
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 7: must have missed the ball, like, five times. Like, he
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: could not, for the love of him, at one point
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 7: he putted it and it bounced off his foot. And
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 7: he's supposed to be just, like, calm, cool, collected guy.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 7: And he keeps like wailing at this thing. Could not
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 7: get that. Ben and I were also breaking a lot
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: on that because we were, we did not know how
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 7: funny it was.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 8: There's a really good blooper of that that we'll post.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 4: Speaking of, since I have this wonderful Blu-ray put here.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: I love the fact, because a lot of times indie movies,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 4: they're bare bones, and I get that. You just want
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: to get your movie on physical media. But you've got
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: an audio commentary, a blooper reel, and the official Gothic
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: Slayers music video, Goblin, performed by Sudo. So I love
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 4: that there's all these extras. Also, the only problem I
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: have with this is I can't fucking read these production
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: companies on the bottom. They're so tiny.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 8: They're all fake, so you're not supposed to be able to.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: They're what? Oh, they're all fake. I was sitting here
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: when I was doing my review. I'm like, I think
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 4: this is Careful Icarus. Oh, Icarus. J & R.
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 7: Their money... We're laundering money through those, so we really
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: want people to be too aware of the names the IRS.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 6: Will be calling.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: I know Junction Lads is real. I've seen that thing before,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: I think. It looks, it looks familiar.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 7: Caleb's company.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: So, uh, Oh, okay.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 8: He's the only one making shit.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: I guess.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: Wow.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: Jesus.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: I was going to say, I feel like I've seen
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: that before. Uh, but yeah, this is a great, uh,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 4: great cover art here. If you don't have this movie,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: I suggest you buy it. If you want to be
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: lame and watch it on prime, you can watch it
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 4: on prime, but I say get the physical copy. You're
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: not going to be disappointed. Uh, especially with the bonus features.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 4: And what do we got? Runtime here, hour 40. Oh,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: it's not on the back here unless I'm fucking blind. Oh,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: I think it's an hour 43. I should have this information. Yeah.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: And for an hour and 43, I have to say
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: pacing is great. Usually my sweet spot for horror movies
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: is like 70 to 90 minutes. So hour 43, great.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: Great pacing. There was not a moment where I was like,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: this should not be here. Or, you know, this feels
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: like it's stretching. Like every moment that's happening on screen
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: felt necessary. So I really appreciate when a horror movie
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: has a longer run time and it doesn't feel like
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: it's trying to stretch it. And there was even more
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 4: things you guys wanted to do that had to be
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 4: taken out, which is crazy. It would have been great.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 8: It would have been great.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: It would have been great. So random fun question that
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: I've never asked anybody because usually I just interview directors.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: I don't usually have writers and stars of movies.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 7: Missionary.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: Doggy style. Okay. Doggy style.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 9: Doggy style.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 4: Doggy style. Alright, so if you had your, like, if
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: your character, I'm trying to fucking pull myself back together here.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: Now I'm breaking. If your characters had to survive another
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: horror movie, what movie would you pick? I'm picking Evil Dead. Dylan,
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 4: what do you think? If you could see your characters
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: surviving another horror movie.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 7: And they survive it. They definitely survive it.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you guys survived this one. Let's go
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: with surviving it, you know? Fuck it.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 7: I'm going to go with either one of two. Either
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 7: Jeepers Creepers or Children of the Corn. And only because
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: of cornfields. I think that Ben and Dylan have enough experience.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 7: We've mastered that. We've experienced enough cornfields now that it's like,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 7: Bring on any kind of creepy thing in the cornfield.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: We can handle that.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 4: Okay. Two fantastic answers. I love it. What about you, Ben?
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: I just want to see our characters in that Thanksgiving movie.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: That shit was so stupid.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 8: I loved it, but that shit was so stupid. I
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 8: think our stupid characters would be so good.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 7: Just like unassuming.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 8: Like, Oh, what's the fucking carving knife doing out?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 4: And like, the question is though, can you do the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: Boston accent? Cause I feel like that's it.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: From Boston. Yeah.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: Fucking get, gotta, gotta get my khakis. And I don't
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: know if I'm talking about my keys on my pants.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 4: All right, Caleb, if you had to watch these, uh,
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: goofball survivor horror movie, what would you pick?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 9: Uh, I think cabin in the woods, you know, at
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 9: the end of the stoner character seems to have it
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 9: all kind of, and I could see like a nice
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 9: finale in that too, where they like hit the ball
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 9: and it ricochets and then it unleashes, you know, all
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 9: the creatures and they're somehow safe.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 5: From all of it in the end, you know, where
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 5: they stand up covered in blood.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: Oh man. I could see that too. Cause there's that
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: moment when, you know, uh, RIP, uh, Thor, when he
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: jumps his motorbike into the fucking invisible wall and, There'd
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: be a great moment for a golf gag there where
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: they go to drive and they hit the edge of
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 4: the wall. I mean, that fits in perfectly. I don't
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: even think I asked this, but what was the driving force,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: if you will, pun intended, of making this built around
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: the putt-putt or mini-golf? What did that derive from? Did
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: I ask that already? The driving force.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: Well, it kind of goes back to the beginning where
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: I grew up with this mini golf course. A movie
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: around this mini golf course would be amazing. I felt
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: like I hadn't seen many mini golf movies. Now here
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: there is one in production that just wrapped that I'm
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: pissed about.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 7: Who is it?
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: I'm going to DM them. Who is this?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: DM them.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: No, you're going to DM them for the podcast. I'm
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: not freaking telling you.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: I would never. This is the only.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Not as big as us, but
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: they're big. But I didn't see many of that. I
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: was like, I think that would be a kind of
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: like a fun shtick. I think the one thing, if
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: I were to go back, I would maybe want a
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: couple more scenes at the, at the mini golf place.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: But again, I was like, it like, kind of like
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: you said, the movie moves along and we just didn't
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: want to hang at a place where, where there wasn't
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: like more action.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Taking place.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: No, I love that. I couldn't tell you another horror
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: movie that was centered around a mini-golf. So let's end
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: the debate here. Is it Putt-Putt or is it mini-golf?
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: I think we need to settle this debate here.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 8: I haven't seen mini-golf.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: What do we got?
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 7: I've always said mini-golf. I've only ever said mini-golf.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 9: I'm team Putt-Putt. I wrote another script separately and I
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 9: have a Putt-Putt reference.
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: Alright, Ben?
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 8: I'm a mini-golf, as you can tell from the movie
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 8: as well.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: So now I'm the deciding factor. Austin?
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: You've been saying putt-putt mostly.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: I have been. I have been saying putt putt a lot. Uh,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: I guess it's two to two and we didn't fucking
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: figure out shit. Um, I'll have to.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 7: Listeners weigh in on the comments. Tell us what you think.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: I'm going to, I'll put this in the episode description.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: Maybe I think you can do voting on YouTube. We'll
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: do that.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 7: Uh, let's do it.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: Actually.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 7: That's really cool.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 8: I need to also know if they made it to
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 8: the hour 20 mark.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, That's why you got to ask the questions at
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: the end for the audience. So, you know, if you're right,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: you're right. The retention is there. That's right.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 8: I see you mom watching this fully through.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: I think that's pretty much all I have, but I
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: do want to go around and to everyone. And is
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: there anything you didn't mention that wanted to get mentioned? Missionary.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 4: Missionary for Ben. What do we have for Dylan?
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh man.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 8: You got a lot to look forward to.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 7: There's just so many choices to choose from.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: I know, I know.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 7: And I have so much experience in all of them.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 7: I just got to really think it out.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: I'm going to really hone in here.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: Alone.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: Alone.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: No, I would just say my mind is like, go
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: watch it. I hope you enjoy it.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 8: Let us know. Give it a good rating if you
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 8: like it. And if you don't, you don't have to
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 8: rate it.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 7: You don't.
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: Even love it. Don't hate rate things. Just because there's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 4: a difference between a bad movie and a movie that's
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: just not for you. You can't give a movie one
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: star because, well, this is just not my genre. Then
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: don't rate it. That's all I'm going to say. This
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: is not a bad movie by any means. There's a
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: lot of heart in it. There's a lot of... I mean,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: production value is great for this. And again, I will
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: go back to the very creative inserts of the 8-bit.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: I would so much rather watch a creative insert that
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 4: fits the theme of the movie than just terrible CG.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: And the CG that you guys do use towards the
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: end of the movie still looks pretty good. I mean, like,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: it looks good. It doesn't look... It doesn't look cheesy
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: or anything. It actually fits the vibe of the movie.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Does anyone else see Frozen Dylan over there?
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 5: Frozen Dylan? Yeah, he looks like a Van Gogh.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: Oh, shit.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 6: He is.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: He is Frozen.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: He looks like that new game where you have to
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: put that character in and then paint him around.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: Dylan, are you still with us?
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: Oh, he's gone.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: He's gone.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: Oh, man. And then there were two or three. I
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: can count.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 8: So I guess my vote really loses.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: I guess it's Pup Pup.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 8: For sure then.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 9: Shit.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: What about you, Caleb? Anything you'd like to say? Final
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: thoughts here on Gothic Slayers?
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think for me, from making the film to now,
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 9: I think the coolest experience that I've had as a
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 9: creator that I would just love to express to anybody
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 9: else out there who's thinking about making a project or
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 9: making something is that I think the best part about
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 9: it is when I first made the film, I went
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 9: in with the hopes that I was going to like
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 9: you know, oh, man, I'm going to have, like, all
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 9: of this praise from, like, my peers and, like, oh,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 9: the Academy is going to, you know, request me immediately
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 9: and they're.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: Going to put me up for an Oscar and all
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 5: those things.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 9: But I think what I found to be, like, the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 9: most rewarding part of the process is, like, getting the
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 9: chance to, like, meet people like you, Austin, who find
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 9: our film and, like, connect with it on, like, a
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 9: real level and, you know, to, like, be able to pull, like,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 9: pull a community together of people who are just, like,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 9: I really liked what you were trying to say. And
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 9: I think for a long time in my career, I
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 9: was always trying to chase validation from my peers. And
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 9: what I found to be much more rewarding is just
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 9: finding people out there in the world who have my
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 9: sense of humor, who like the same things that I like,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 9: that appreciate these artistic liberties that I'm trying to take.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 9: So to anybody else who's out there making a project,
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 9: I would just say, make the film that you want
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 9: to make and make the story and do the art that,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 9: that speaks to you because you'll find people who have
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 9: that within themselves too.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 5: And they'll connect with it. Um, instead of trying to make.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 9: Something for some snob, you know, like, you know, be
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 9: all prissy about like all of this, you know? Uh,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 9: so yeah, really just tell the story that like you
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 9: want to tell and you'll, you'll find a great community
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 9: of people who, you know, understand what you're saying and
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 9: want to connect.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 8: God, that was such a better answer than missionaries.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: Man, yeah. Fuck.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 8: I'm going to have to go rethink this.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: Goddamn hindsight. Yeah, no, I agree with that, though, because
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, make the movie you want. Don't make
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 4: it to appeal to anybody because at the end of
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: the day, your movie is not going to appeal to everybody.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: It's just a simple fact. As much as I want
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: to believe that the project I have going on will
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: everyone will love, I know there's going to be people
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: that it's just not going to be their thing. Like,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: I get it. So make the movie that you want
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: because you're right. You will find people along the way
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: who vibe with it. Like, I am so glad I
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: found this movie and picked it because, and that's another
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: thing too. When you make a movie, you gotta have
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: a good poster. And let me tell you, I get
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: another 10 out of 10 on the poster because when
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 4: I just saw two goofballs with like, you know, fucking
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: putters and demonic shit in the background that said Gothic Slayers, literally,
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: I didn't even read the description. I just said, that's
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: enough information. I put it in my cart. I did
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: check the Letterboxd rating because I'm a Letterboxd slut, and
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, wow, 3.1 out of 5. Okay.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 4: Even better.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 7: Well, that's the thing, too.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 8: I mean, jumping off of Caleb just real quick. Oh, yeah.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: When we get bad Letterboxd reviews or wherever they are,
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: the thing that keeps you going, and maybe this will
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: help you, I'm sure you won't get any bad Letterboxd reviews, Austin.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 8: I'm almost 100% sure.
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: But if you do, the thing that gets you through
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: is knowing that, like, you made the film that you
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: wanted to make if you did that.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: Like, but if you had catered to other people along
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: the way, you would have these doubts and you go like,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: you know, if I had just made the film I
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: wanted to make, maybe then people would like it, but
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: you made what you made. And when we get a
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: better view, I just, I, I read it. And a
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: lot of times I understand it. Like a lot of
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: it's like, it's not enough guts or gore. And when
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: you enter that horror sphere, that's what's going to happen.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: Oh, there he is.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 8: One last word in. He figured it out. He had
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 8: to go write it.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: Uh, But anyway, Dylan, what we were saying was that
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: the thing that gets me through Letterboxd reviews, first of all,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: is that I let these two read them and then
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: send me the.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 8: Ones that I'm allowed to read because I'll go crazy.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: But when I do read the bad ones, I go,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: you know what?
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 8: We made the film that we wanted to make. I
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 8: wouldn't change any scene.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: I literally watch the film and I go, I wouldn't
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: change anything other than.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 8: Put a montage in. But that's okay.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: So that's my last thing piggybacking off of Caleb. Dylan,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: you should go listen to this podcast that we've all
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: been recording without you because Caleb had an amazing answer
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: about why you should become a filmmaker and why God–
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: he actually just explained.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 8: Why we're all here on earth.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 7: But anyway, you wrap it up.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 8: What's your last word, Dylan?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 7: My last word, I disagree with everything Caleb said about
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 7: filmmaking and– I had to get off of this recording.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 7: I was like, he's going to go off on why
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 7: we're all here. No, I obviously did not hear what
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 7: Caleb said, but going off of talking about Letterboxd and
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 7: stuff like that, because you guys mentioned Edgar Wright earlier.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 7: I remember there was this one negative review. I don't
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 7: remember what they rated it, but I remember the review.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 7: What they wrote was... something along the lines of like
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 7: these guys think they're edgar wright and i like i
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 7: felt like oh so you saw the like it's funny
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 7: to give something a negative review but then you're kind
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 7: of complimenting us at the same time like these guys
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 7: think that they're edgar wright i'm like well we never
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 7: said anything about us doing anything edgar wright adjacent so
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 7: the fact that you're picking up on anything like that
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 7: is actually a compliment is that from edgar wright yes
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 7: edgar wright wrote.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: It fucking guys He's chewing it. I'll read you some
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: good ones that I enjoyed from Letterboxd here. Five stars
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: from someone named Dialio. Ben and Dylan don't kiss. Sad face.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 8: That was my mom.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 7: My mom, Dialio.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: What a name. Another five stars.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 6: Dialio.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: You guys know a guy named Chris Zank? Is he
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: just gas in this movie? Is he a crew member? No, no.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: Such a surprise. The high comedy and low horror movie
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: just hits the best of what it is. Is it
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: low budget? Yes, but it hides that flaw in very
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: creative ways. These two best friends love a specific arcade game.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: and some scenes in the film look very similar to
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: Super Nintendo Sidescroller. It's fun to watch. I was not
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: scared at all, but I was highly entertained.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Well, now you just got us in trouble with Nintendo, so.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: Oh, fuck.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 5: Another cease and desist from Nintendo.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: I'm praying for that cease and desist.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 4: And then the last one here, another five-star from Cobra86,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: who has literally only rated two movies... deep learning and
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: gothic slayers so i don't know what those are whatever
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: incredibly charming fusion of bill and ted the goonies and
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 4: scott pilgrim funny heartfelt technically proficient and well cast it's
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 4: almost impossible to not like this movie so uh even
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 4: if that was a cat even if that.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 8: Was almost impossible it's almost People are going to try.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 7: And yet people find a way.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: There are some, there are some haters here, but you know, it's,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: it's all good. It's all good. Every, like I said,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 4: not everyone, you can't, there's, it's very hard to make
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: a movie that appeals to literally every person on earth.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: Everyone has opinions. A lot of them in the horror
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: community are wrong, but that's okay. If you can't, if
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: you can't turn your brain off and just have fun
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 4: with a movie like Gothic Slick, because that's what this
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 4: is at the end of the day. It's a turn
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 4: your brain off movie and enjoy. It's silly. It's funny.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 4: It's got some great effects and it's got a fun story.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: And if that's not your vibe, then that's totally fine.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: Go watch whatever the hell else is your vibe. Uh,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 4: but I can't, what's that?
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: Despicable Me 4. That's, that's like, that's the top tier.
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  Speaker 5: Like that's a film critics like, best film.
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  Speaker 4: Or their new one minions and monsters because they are
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  Speaker 4: just universal is milking the men like oh my god
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  Speaker 4: we get it the minion verse the minion verse they
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  Speaker 4: literally changed milking no go ahead milking.
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  Speaker 1: The minions is actually no one's response to the sex
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  Speaker 1: question exactly.
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  Speaker 7: And on that perfect note when we're the poking the
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 7: begins their their what I love that new scene in
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 7: the new movie where they're milking those minions. It's a,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 7: it's truly a love story.
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  Speaker 1: So when you, so Austin, when they, when you upload
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  Speaker 1: this to YouTube and they ask, it was this creative,
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  Speaker 1: you can say, yes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I think, I think this will be the rare
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 4: instance where I, yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I think, I think we'll, this will be the rare
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  Speaker 4: instance where I'm like, this is made for kids. All
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: the children.
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  Speaker 7: Should watch this.
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  Speaker 4: We did mention minions. Um, so Dylan, if everyone wants
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: to follow you on social media, where can they find you?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 7: You can follow me at, I'm on Instagram at Dylan
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  Speaker 7: underscore Eshba. First name, underscore, last name.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Enjoy. Spell it just how it sounds. Sound it out.
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  Speaker 4: It's not that hard. What about you?
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  Speaker 7: D-Y-L-A-N.
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  Speaker 4: No, shut up. All right, Mr. Getz, where can people
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: find you?
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  Speaker 1: You can find me on Instagram at Benny and the Getz,
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: a little play on Benny and the Jets.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, love that. What about you, Caleb?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 9: You can find me on Instagram at Caleb, C-A-L-E-B, or
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 9: you can look me up at Junction Lads Productions on Instagram.
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  Speaker 5: Perfect.
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  Speaker 4: At every point, I mean, everyone should know where to
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: follow the show at this point. I mean, links are
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 4: in the description. Check the bio, all the above. We're everywhere.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 4: This is probably going to be a YouTube exclusive, but
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: I might release the audio version if it doesn't sound.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: Because with how I'm recording it, I have separate tracks,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 4: so I can kind of adjust levels, and my mixer
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 4: doesn't allow me to do that. You guys are all
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 4: on one track. So if it sounds good and I
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: can clean it up, then we'll release it as a
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 4: podcast episode. Otherwise, it'll just be on YouTube, and then
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: we can promote the shit out of it there. I'm
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 4: going to show everybody this again. You should go buy this.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 4: Gothic Slayers on Blu-ray. If you don't like physical media
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: and supporting indie movies, I guess just go watch it
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: on Prime. I guess. I guess. I can't recommend it.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: But that's going to do it for this one, guys.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 4: Thanks for joining me. I appreciate everyone being here and
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: taking an hour and a half of their day to
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: talk to a goofball like myself, but Before you get
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: into Gothic Slayers, if you haven't watched it, you've got
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 4: to make sure you grab your putters, your scorecards, and
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: your pencils, even though we're not going to keep score.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: And remember, there are no refunds on lost balls. Also,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 4: please don't make eye contact with the squirrel statue on
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 4: hole five because people say it's haunted. So I'm going
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 4: to leave it with that. But yeah. Thank you. Yeah.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: Thank you guys for joining. And until next time, guys,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: stay spooky.
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Bye. so so Thank you for listening.
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  Speaker 5: To hear more shows from the Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: please select the link in the description.