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From Black Power to hip hop: The evolution of Mopreme Shakur · The Real News Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to this district. Rather botom the host master Moose.
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  Speaker 2: Today we're doing by molt Pridge, the Corps, the son
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  Speaker 2: of the late great political prison with Tulusha cour and
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  Speaker 2: the older stepbrother of the lizendary rabbit Tupac. The cour
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  Speaker 2: More Premium has recently published a memoir titled This Thug
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  Speaker 2: Life the pore Ignorative, spanning the rise of the Black
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  Speaker 2: Liberation movement, the birth of hip hop in New York,
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  Speaker 2: and it's expansion to the West coast.
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  Speaker 1: More pretty thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: What's having cavin you're not having cap.
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  Speaker 1: Appreciate you do?
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  Speaker 2: I know you got I know they got you on
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  Speaker 2: a hustle in bustle and this is a good thing.
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  Speaker 1: What compelled you to write this particular memoir?
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  Speaker 3: While I am more prim she called thug life outlaw immortal.
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  Speaker 3: U I am the.
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  Speaker 4: Son of doctor Matoone, she called step son of a
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  Speaker 4: finished she called brother of Tupac. She called a nephew
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  Speaker 4: of Asada Chakor. You know that's the that's my fan,
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  Speaker 4: you know as well as my sister set you up.
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  Speaker 3: We uh. You know a lot of.
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  Speaker 4: People familiar with the struggles and the triumphs of our
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  Speaker 4: family and the movement. A lot of sacrifices made, but
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  Speaker 4: a lot of commerces made too right, and that's often
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  Speaker 4: overlooked because it's hard to ignore the struggle. Right they
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  Speaker 4: My father was a political prisoner, served thirty seven years
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  Speaker 4: in federal prison, which fought hard to bring him home.
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  Speaker 4: But we were able to finally bring him home, but
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  Speaker 4: he was it would cancer and.
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  Speaker 3: He passed away in twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, multuous, your cool ancestor served them astronomical
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  Speaker 2: amount of time our political prisoner. But just hold you're
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  Speaker 2: cool when you say she's cool. That's the claim in
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  Speaker 2: of a shelf is political in and of a shelf.
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  Speaker 1: Hand.
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  Speaker 2: The twenty one Organized York chapter organizing heavily organized around
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  Speaker 2: the goals, aspirations.
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  Speaker 1: And the vision of the Black Papid Prime.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about the process of bringing this book
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  Speaker 2: to life.
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  Speaker 1: When did you first begin to write it? One?
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  Speaker 2: Did you speak to other family members, in close friends,
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  Speaker 2: a piece together the memoirle the memories rather.
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  Speaker 1: And or what you just doing strictly on your own
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  Speaker 1: experience in growing up.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't ask too many people much.
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  Speaker 4: First, because it was my story, ain't their story is
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  Speaker 4: my story, and a.
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  Speaker 3: Lot of times a lot of other people weren't even
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  Speaker 3: there there.
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  Speaker 4: But the process began after we lost pot and had
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  Speaker 4: me reflecting on a lot of things they and along
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  Speaker 4: with the loss of my brother. I was thinking about
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  Speaker 4: our accomplishments. I was locked up for a skared bit,
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  Speaker 4: I was doing something stupid, sitting there thinking about myself,
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  Speaker 4: and uh, you know, I also thought about the rest
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  Speaker 4: of the family accomplishments. We all have made, sacrifices, we
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  Speaker 4: all have made for the movement for the family. And
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  Speaker 4: so that's when the process started. Got my first eighty pages.
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  Speaker 4: Uh and then you know, life be life in you know,
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  Speaker 4: stop start, stop start.
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  Speaker 3: Eventually got my co writer, Talia she called.
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  Speaker 4: She and I finally got a poser together because we
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  Speaker 4: didn't want to self published.
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  Speaker 3: We felt like the.
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  Speaker 4: Story was important and it needed to have a father
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  Speaker 4: reach and uh so I wanted a book deal. So
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  Speaker 4: you you got to have certain things in order to
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  Speaker 4: get that book.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what we did. And as time went on,
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  Speaker 3: it became more.
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  Speaker 4: Urge it for me to get this done because I
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  Speaker 4: was becoming one of the last ones left right right.
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  Speaker 3: Right now between family and crew. Family and crew.
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  Speaker 1: Right right right there, right right right right right. It was.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's been painful, a lot of sacrifices.
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  Speaker 4: We just had the homegoing ceremony for Antie Asada up
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  Speaker 4: in Harlem a few weeks ago.
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  Speaker 3: Pops passed twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 4: Been ten years since we lost a fainting Uh Anti
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  Speaker 4: Falani bah blah blah blaud barba say cool and uh
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  Speaker 4: it's like once they're gone, you can't ask me no questions,
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  Speaker 4: no more right right, you know what I mean? And
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  Speaker 4: it's I was like, oh, I started panicking, you know.
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  Speaker 4: On the music side too, Shock Jus passed away. Young
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  Speaker 4: Noble just passed away along with pop h a fatal
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  Speaker 4: big sight.
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  Speaker 2: Come on man, yeah yeah, And you know what and
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  Speaker 2: is is you unpacking everybo?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: How is it?
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  Speaker 2: How important? And this just came about this space right here?
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  Speaker 2: How important is it for you to be able to
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  Speaker 2: control that nurture about your letters?
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  Speaker 3: How's it?
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 1: Because like you just outline, okay, we hear pow, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, we hear a lot of things associated with it's
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  Speaker 2: your cool claim.
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  Speaker 1: We hear a lot of things associated with the movement.
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  Speaker 2: But then when you get in the space where you
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  Speaker 2: hear somebody say something that you know, is this information.
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  Speaker 1: Right or or if you're not in a position to
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  Speaker 1: refute it, then it takes on life.
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  Speaker 2: So how is it important? Why you think it's important
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  Speaker 2: for you to be able to with you for sake?
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  Speaker 2: Because you give usistency to the information, whether a person
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  Speaker 2: agree with or disagree with it, or they like it
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  Speaker 2: or don't like it from the you know, come out
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  Speaker 2: to Bay's mouth.
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  Speaker 1: It ain't coming like secondhand.
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  Speaker 4: Once you become a public figure, anybody could write about you,
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  Speaker 4: and that's what a lot of people go. Now we
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  Speaker 4: parking our public figures, of course because of entertainment game.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, our actual relatives public figures because they
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  Speaker 4: end up in a damn news you know, and you
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  Speaker 4: know we you got to preserve your your your own stories,
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  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Because as black and brown people,
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  Speaker 4: disenfranchised poor people, what we are.
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  Speaker 3: Is rich and experience, maybe poor and finances.
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  Speaker 4: What we are rich in life and life experience and pain.
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  Speaker 3: That there's a value to that.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, you got to turn pain to profit, right, turn
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  Speaker 4: your pain to profit. And we've been enduring the pain
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  Speaker 4: and while other people were making you dig so I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I'm out there in La I'm in Hollywood and all that,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 3: So I've learned the game right, and it's the power
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  Speaker 3: of the pen, you know. Once.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we had to get this down because I
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  Speaker 4: felt like my story.
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  Speaker 5: Is important because it it's at the crossroads of black
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  Speaker 5: history and black music is Okay, black history.
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  Speaker 3: And black music is we touched on both sides.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, I'm one of you know, we disappearing,
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  Speaker 4: you know, so we as my generation, Nah, the Obra
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  Speaker 4: famis the sun Alis. This our family, you know, our
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  Speaker 4: connected family and the struggle and the revolution we have
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  Speaker 4: through the kids of it because our elders that didn't
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  Speaker 4: the whole bunch of the work and sacrifice. So all
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  Speaker 4: the best we can do is preserve it and tell
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  Speaker 4: the story to our people, because these stories are important,
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  Speaker 4: you know, our you know, members of our family and
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  Speaker 4: other brothers and sisters in the struggle heroes, folk heroes icons,
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  Speaker 4: you know. But if no one knows the stories, they don't,
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  Speaker 4: they don't, they won't see it that.
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  Speaker 1: Way, okay.
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  Speaker 2: And this marked is the sixty year anniversary of the
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  Speaker 2: Black Pans. But and they dubb most of the children
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  Speaker 2: of party members club. That's path club as a path
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  Speaker 2: of club right as someone who and actually witnessed the
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  Speaker 2: struggle and see first hand the repression that was being inflicted.
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  Speaker 2: Se first hand the torment your father went through because
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  Speaker 2: of his political view, seeing the fact that your aunt
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  Speaker 2: was forcing the exile for norther reason that political views.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about what does the legacy mean to you? The
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  Speaker 2: party of your family's legacy were more important. How do
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  Speaker 2: you feel that the party made a contributions to social justice?
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  Speaker 1: If you can speak on that.
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  Speaker 3: The party made a significant impact to the social justice?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 4: Uh my father, Uh Black Panthers, the young Lords believe
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  Speaker 4: Lincoln detax detoxification, planet lagoon.
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  Speaker 3: And the in the in the Bronx. Uh. That work
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  Speaker 3: that they did.
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  Speaker 4: Was established patients rights rights as a human right. For
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  Speaker 4: that incident up in the Bronx is the reason why
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  Speaker 4: this country has patients rights to this day. You know
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  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, But no one will know that story
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  Speaker 4: unless we tell it, because you we've already been suppressed
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  Speaker 4: to a great degree as it is, so you know
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  Speaker 4: they want.
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  Speaker 3: To suppress our stories.
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  Speaker 4: They wanted as we see what's going on in the
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  Speaker 4: in the Uh, this administration right here. You know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying, they're messing with Harriet. Tell me jack what
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  Speaker 4: the hell Harry tell me did to you?
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  Speaker 3: Jackie? Why do you leave Jackie Robertson, No, I don't, won't.
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  Speaker 4: So UH is very important and significant that we try
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  Speaker 4: to do the best we can to preserve our stories
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  Speaker 4: because we help make this mouthfucking to you can.
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  Speaker 2: Do what you do, Okay, all right, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to be rude, you know, like you telling like I
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  Speaker 2: told you before, right, we don't tell you.
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  Speaker 3: We don't give you a voice.
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  Speaker 2: We turn the volume up on your voice. And how
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  Speaker 2: do you want to express your voice? We turned the
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  Speaker 2: volume up. Let's let's talk about Let's talk about UH
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  Speaker 2: because you may mention this and and this is something
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  Speaker 2: I think that you get unpacked as much as you want,
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  Speaker 2: because you're saying you made an observation that you're dealing
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  Speaker 2: with the struggle.
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  Speaker 1: And the music, and so.
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  Speaker 2: You you you're dealing with two things issue and and
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  Speaker 2: most people when they think of the Cord, they think
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  Speaker 2: of Tupac, they think of you.
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  Speaker 1: But but we now we at a crossbow.
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  Speaker 2: Where how how what role do this music play? Hip
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  Speaker 2: pop music play and raising people's consciousness, elevating people's spector
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  Speaker 2: about struggle. But more importantly, how do you see the landscape?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 4: We truly cared about the people. You know, in the
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  Speaker 4: midst of you know, the entertainment was a vehicle to
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  Speaker 4: be able to reach the people. But uh yeah, people
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  Speaker 4: know pop fans. No, he really cared about the people.
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  Speaker 4: Keep your head up. Brendon's got a baby pop a song,
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  Speaker 4: did Mama. We're addressing issues in our communities, you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, and people be feeling them. They tell
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  Speaker 4: me all the time. They're telling me all the time,
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  Speaker 4: and thank you for.
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  Speaker 3: Making this song.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you for making that song. And because we were
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  Speaker 4: trying to talk talk about sonning. You know, the us
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  Speaker 4: being popular in the general market helped because we were
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  Speaker 4: able to reach with more and more people in the
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  Speaker 4: movie star help. We were able to reach more and
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  Speaker 4: more people with some of the messages that.
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  Speaker 3: We try to deliver. Thug like you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: That was our ship.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that was our contribution because it was actually
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  Speaker 4: a lot of people got the message.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of people didn't right right right, My pops, Uh.
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  Speaker 4: Helped us by creating a Thug cold, So it wasn't
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  Speaker 4: just some ignorant ship.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I hate you gave little infants.
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  Speaker 4: Fucks everyone, because if you don't take care of the babies,
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  Speaker 4: they would go to into the monsters you fear today.
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  Speaker 1: That was the acronym one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I hate you gave little infants every you want.
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  Speaker 4: You know, all these jackets they'd be wanting to put
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  Speaker 4: on us. We taking them and flipping them. We was
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  Speaker 4: taking them flipping our second album, stook Me for my nigga. Right,
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  Speaker 4: people have an issue with the world nigga when you
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  Speaker 4: flipped it, put an a on it.
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  Speaker 3: Never ignorant, getting goals accomplished.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't hear that though, right, No, keep yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it makes sense though, and and like when people say
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  Speaker 2: could like and the reason why'm asking this right is.
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  Speaker 1: While we got the opportunity for somebody in the.
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  Speaker 2: Myth bus, they what I'm saying about your family and
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  Speaker 2: the myth bus, about who y'all are and what y'all thinking,
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  Speaker 2: Because when you you come out of likes cool it
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  Speaker 2: is a giant.
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  Speaker 1: He's a you know, and an ancestor.
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  Speaker 2: And and you know we we praised him for his contribution.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we're honoring his work.
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  Speaker 1: They know what I'm saying, and we know that he
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  Speaker 1: you know, El Baker said, we believe in freedom, must
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  Speaker 1: not rest.
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  Speaker 2: They not They not rest. They're not resting in power,
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  Speaker 2: they're not wrestling in peace. They're not resting, period. So
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  Speaker 2: that's why why are you acting like this? Why are
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  Speaker 2: you so angry?
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  Speaker 4: White? Because we are not at rest as long as
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  Speaker 4: our people still struggling to struggle continued, you.
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  Speaker 3: Know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: Talk about the Underground Railroad and third Black.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, the artistic foundation clearly influenced your musical career.
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  Speaker 4: We came from community organizers, you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: and we were trying to present our version for our generation.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we started with the underground Railroad because we
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  Speaker 4: Park was already with digital underground, right, and it would
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  Speaker 4: have it made sense. You know, our crew be the
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  Speaker 4: underground rail Roll. We come from the underground for so
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  Speaker 4: many reasons. It made sense, our ideology, it made sense.
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  Speaker 4: And then that morphed into.
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  Speaker 3: Fifty niggas, right, one good nigga.
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  Speaker 4: Fifty represented states, one good Nigga that re state we
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  Speaker 4: could accomplish anything.
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  Speaker 3: Stick together. Yeah right there you did ya, pok had too.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it was real about it with that morphed
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  Speaker 4: into Doug life, Okay, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: So really had a political undertone exactly.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I'm all.
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  Speaker 4: You know, we tore my father in with it, you know,
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  Speaker 4: is a part he made the cold, which is we
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  Speaker 4: were getting some help from a sister Elica Ford up
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  Speaker 4: in New York. We had brothers behind the wall, our
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  Speaker 4: comrades behind the wall, pushing it, trying to explain it.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, some of the people got the message.
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  Speaker 2: And then you add like, well do you know you
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  Speaker 2: know you got opposition because you got the state, you
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  Speaker 2: got the government, the government. The last thing the government
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  Speaker 2: want is somebody that has that kind of influence to
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  Speaker 2: be able to speak truth to power and be able
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  Speaker 2: to like wrap galvanized people, you know, galvanized people around
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  Speaker 2: because like like everybody like you know, it was in
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  Speaker 2: the hip hop. So this is why you have just
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  Speaker 2: my belief, just why you have the push on corporate
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  Speaker 2: America to create an image of like rap. But the
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  Speaker 2: more important part of the image, the more important part
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  Speaker 2: of the images that it's not it's.
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  Speaker 6: The image, it ain't it's that whoever was a leader
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  Speaker 6: whoever was the leader and whatever kind of way, because
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  Speaker 6: they did it to Martin, they did it to Malcolm.
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  Speaker 4: They won't ratless you did you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 4: whoever was a leader. Oh, they did it to Fred.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they were trying to take out all our leaders,
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  Speaker 4: you know, using co and tail pro, co and tail pro.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: They was doing that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Did you know they didn't necessarily get rid of those
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  Speaker 4: methods as time went on, they just refined.
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  Speaker 1: I find you. I agree.
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  Speaker 3: You know, my doctor Robin D. G.
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  Speaker 4: Kelly, uh a historian, told me that, you know, man,
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  Speaker 4: your father is one of the top five civil rights leaders.
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  Speaker 3: In the country. Top five put them in the top five,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and that important. They want to stifle.
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  Speaker 4: They wanted well, they didn't want him to have the impact,
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  Speaker 4: so they you know, locked him up. We were we
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  Speaker 4: were pleased, Actually, oddly enough, we were pleased when he
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  Speaker 4: got captured because you know, we was hearing that he.
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  Speaker 3: Was saying he wasn't gonna be taken a lot right.
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  Speaker 4: So when he was captured, at least at least was
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  Speaker 4: a lot right, and we could communicate, you know, through
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  Speaker 4: them through them years at Lompark.
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  Speaker 3: That's where we you know, he helped us put the
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  Speaker 3: Thug Colde together.
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  Speaker 2: You write about specific songs you and Tupac performed at
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  Speaker 2: concerts but never officially released. Can you tell us about
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  Speaker 2: that and how your music resonated with your conspway.
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  Speaker 3: One of them that did get it out as popa song.
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  Speaker 4: We got to do popa song because that was really
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  Speaker 4: about mature, you know, a lack of a father in
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  Speaker 4: the household.
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  Speaker 3: So that's what that was about. But there was many
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  Speaker 3: others that was supposed to be on the Thug Life album.
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  Speaker 4: Doug Life project was to Death Park recorded. Spent the
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  Speaker 4: most time on almost three years recording Doug Black Problem,
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  Speaker 4: but they wouldn't let certain songs, do.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 4: They thought it was too all the time to talk
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  Speaker 4: killing cookie cops and you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: And uh so they they you know, almost didn't come out.
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  Speaker 4: I had to tampa down the album in order for
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  Speaker 4: it to even come out, you know, And.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's the that's the price that you if
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  Speaker 1: you don't if you ain't independent, that's the.
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  Speaker 2: Price you have if you try to get you if
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  Speaker 2: you try to get your information out and the compensated.
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