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Sharri | 15 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why. On Sky News This is Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Good Evening tonight. Under scrutiny from the Australian Electoral Commission,
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Speaker 2: the influencers paid by the Teals are forced to disclose
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Speaker 2: their endorsements. Plus I'll tell you the real reason a
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Speaker 2: Legraspender pulled out of a debate against Roeknox. Also on
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Speaker 2: the show, the internal Liberal polls that show Dutton is
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Speaker 2: ahead in outer suburban areas and can still win. I'll
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Speaker 2: speak with James Patterson about this in a moment. Plus
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Speaker 2: Albanese's backflip on Tanya Plebisak, how he was forced into
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Speaker 2: confirming she will still have a job if he wins government.
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Speaker 2: And just when you think the Greens can't get any worse,
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Speaker 2: they're forced to reschedule a dance party planned for Anzac Day.
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Speaker 2: Roman Bishop and Steve Price will get stuck in shortly.
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Speaker 2: Also on the show, the link documents that Facebook is
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Speaker 2: monitoring children and exploiting their anxieties and insecurities. All of
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Speaker 2: this coming up, but first tonight. Young influencers endorsing TLMP
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Speaker 2: Allegraspender have now been forced to disclose that their posts
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Speaker 2: were paid partnerships. These disclosures are highly embarrassing for the
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Speaker 2: weightworth MP who's built her reputation on integrity in politics.
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Speaker 3: And you've told me you want more integrity in politics.
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Speaker 3: You want protections for our whistleblows, you want to ban
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Speaker 3: gambling pads, and you want to see better behavior in
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Speaker 3: our parliament from our leaders in our country. These are
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Speaker 3: the priorities you've told me that are important, and this
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Speaker 3: is what I fight for.
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Speaker 2: And here's the irony Allegraspender's office has told a business
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Speaker 2: owner that she wouldn't debate her liberal rival Ronox because
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Speaker 2: there's a lack of editorial standards at Sky News. We
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Speaker 2: were meant to be hosting the debate. This fascical response
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Speaker 2: came literally at the same time as she was caught
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Speaker 2: out paying influences without proper disclosure in potential breach of
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Speaker 2: AAC rules. Spender reluctantly admitted on Friday that influencers who
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Speaker 2: were endorsing her were paid, but she didn't admit this
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Speaker 2: as a matter of transparency and accountability. It was under
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Speaker 2: repeated questioning on the ABC. What does that mean?
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Speaker 4: Does that mean in collaboration you've paid her to make
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Speaker 4: the video? What does that actually mean?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so We've worked with a sort of agency and
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Speaker 3: a bunch of influencers and you know, content creators to
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Speaker 3: try and reach different audiences. Because what I've noticed really
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Speaker 3: in this in this particularly this election, is that a
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Speaker 3: lot of people have switched off politics.
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Speaker 4: So you did your campaign pay her?
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Speaker 5: Then?
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Speaker 3: So the so our campaign has paid an agency who's
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Speaker 3: paid some influences or content creators to you know, collaborate
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Speaker 3: on different posts.
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Speaker 4: Okay, so ultimately she probably got paid by that agency.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.
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Speaker 2: Don't you love the reluctant transparency. It took three questions
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Speaker 2: before that admission that yes, the influencer was paid. Now,
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Speaker 2: the agency she referred to is called Sentiment. And here
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Speaker 2: was some of that paid content that was meant to
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Speaker 2: be simply organic support from the younger demographic you're about
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Speaker 2: to see. TikTok creator Luke Gallagher.
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Speaker 6: I live in Wentworth and I'm voting for the independent
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Speaker 6: allegrospender and I'm here to tell you why.
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Speaker 2: Well, that video was deleted and then re uploaded yesterday
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Speaker 2: with a disclosure that says this content was made as
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Speaker 2: part of a paid partnership with a legraspender Edgecliff And
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Speaker 2: here's another influencer endorsement for a legraspender.
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Speaker 5: This is the first time Millennials and gen Z outnumbered
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Speaker 5: the Boomies. So let's talk about what happens when majority
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Speaker 5: of Ozzie's ditched the two party system. Bye bye, Meet
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Speaker 5: a legraspender. She ran as an Indian twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 7: Not for her.
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Speaker 5: She had a perfectly lovely life. People just kept begging
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Speaker 5: her to do it, and nobody else was at the time.
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Speaker 5: He took the seat right out from under some liberal
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Speaker 5: guy Paul Bloke and now fights. I'm in fights for
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Speaker 5: actual climate action, political integrity and lowering cost of living.
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Speaker 2: She's chill, She's chill, so chill.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 2: That influencer Millie has one hundred and thirty seven thousand followers,
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Speaker 2: and she was paid to produce content for Spender. And
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Speaker 2: here's another of her posts where she endorses the Teal
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Speaker 2: and then describes Peter Dutton's policies as terrifying.
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Speaker 3: Somamp is a legal spender and she votes consistently for
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Speaker 3: strong climate action, housing affordability, and protection.
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Speaker 5: Of minority groups. I'm very happy with my representative and
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Speaker 5: I will be voting for her to stay in power.
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Speaker 2: To keep doing what she's doing. If we compare that
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Speaker 2: to someone like mister Dutton, he's.
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Speaker 5: Voted for increasing indexation of hex, against transgender rights and
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Speaker 5: to cut penalty rates for workers terrifying.
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Speaker 2: So Dartanique was terrifying and Allegra is so chill. And
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Speaker 2: by the way, this influencer, Millie, also was invited to
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Speaker 2: Canberra for the budget.
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Speaker 7: What gives you hope?
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Speaker 5: You know better than anyone in Australia right now, what
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Speaker 5: gives you hope for the next generation?
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Speaker 7: Not just as a politician but as a person.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: She was part of a group of thirteen content creators
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Speaker 2: invited by the Albanezy government into the budget lock up,
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Speaker 2: and some of the group even had their travel and
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Speaker 2: accommodation costs covered by labor Well. The AAC has now
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Speaker 2: issued new rules for influencers, saying that they need to
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Speaker 2: disclose any payment involved to produce the political material. Now
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Speaker 2: this influence of Millie didn't initially disclose that her content
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Speaker 2: was paid. She said it was in collaboration, but now,
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Speaker 2: like Luke, she's updated her posts to read that this
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Speaker 2: content was made as part of a paid partnership with
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Speaker 2: a legraspender. Edgecliff. Now, as you know, most influencers routinely
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Speaker 2: declare just as a matter of course, if their content
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Speaker 2: is paid when they're spooking a handbag or skin creep.
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Speaker 2: So it's bizarre this didn't happen automatically in the case
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Speaker 2: of those paid by Allegra Spender. So what was her
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Speaker 2: response to all of this? Well, stunningly, despite being caught
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Speaker 2: out secretly paying influences without the proper disclosure, she said
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Speaker 2: she wouldn't apologize for this lack of transparency.
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Speaker 3: As is appropriate for any professional. We paid merely for
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Speaker 3: her time, but the content she chooses to post is
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Speaker 3: all her own. Sounds fair enough, right, I'm not going
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Speaker 3: to apologize for finding new ways to connect with young
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Speaker 3: people and for finding for their future on issues like housing,
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Speaker 3: climate change, and mental health. Doing politics differently means changing
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Speaker 3: the status quo.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, doing politics differently, she says. Well, by this, does
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Speaker 2: she mean potentially flouting the rule and instead engaging in
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Speaker 2: cash for comment, because that's what the coalition is calling this.
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Speaker 9: Alger Spender has been paying social media influences to promote
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Speaker 9: her cause.
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Speaker 7: Has she crossed the line?
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Speaker 1: I just think when it comes to.
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Speaker 9: The whole Teal movement. The whole thing's a conjob and
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Speaker 9: that's why people are now seeing through the Teals.
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Speaker 2: And Spender held an event at the pub with that
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Speaker 2: influencer Millie last night, but the media were blocked from entering. Again,
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Speaker 2: so much for transparency. Well, her fellow teal in the
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Speaker 2: Victorian seat of ku Jong Josh Fridenberg's old seat, Minnie Ryan,
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Speaker 2: has now clarified her position on the matter after that
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Speaker 2: dreadful train wreck interview on the ABC where she didn't
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Speaker 2: quite know what she thought about this scandal.
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Speaker 10: Oh, I don't want to have an opinion on it, really,
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Speaker 10: I think, well.
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Speaker 11: You don't think you think voters does to know that
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Speaker 11: if someone they're watching is saying great things about a politician,
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Speaker 11: whether they're being paid by that politician.
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Speaker 7: I have to give some thought. It's not something I've
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Speaker 7: given great thought to myself. Obviously, I haven't engaged in
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Speaker 7: anything like that myself.
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Speaker 1: You'd have to give that some thought.
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Speaker 7: Well, I would think that it would be clear.
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 12: I think.
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Speaker 7: I'd have to give it some thought.
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Speaker 2: Done so, despite everyone despite her being obsessed with everyone
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Speaker 2: calling her a doctor, Minnie Grian wasn't smart enough to
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Speaker 2: think of an answer to that question on the spot,
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Speaker 2: and that was Sunday. It took her two days before
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Speaker 2: she worked out what to say about this, and finally
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Speaker 2: today she posted a statement saying that, having now had
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Speaker 2: an opportunity to look at this issue, I fully support
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Speaker 2: the aac's position statement from last Friday that influencer content
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Speaker 2: paid for by politicians should be clearly labeled as such.
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Speaker 2: So this is what accountability looks like. The teals have
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Speaker 2: to be dragged kicking and screaming to it. Interesting then
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Speaker 2: that when a Sydney businesswoman, the owner of a florist
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Speaker 2: in Double Bay, which she told me that she phoned
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Speaker 2: Allegra Spender's office to ask why she'd pulled out of
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Speaker 2: the Sky News debate against Roeknox, and this is what
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Speaker 2: she told me. That Spender's office said, Allegra doesn't have
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Speaker 2: any faith in the editorial standards on Sky Now. As
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Speaker 2: you know, Sky News hosted fair and balanced debates between
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister and the Opposition leader, between the Treasurer
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Speaker 2: and the Shadow Treasurer. There's been no suggestion, even from
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Speaker 2: our worst critics, that these debates weren't anything other than
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Speaker 2: even handed and objective so it's unclear what concerns a
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Speaker 2: legraspender could possibly have about the editorial standards at Sky News.
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Speaker 2: Perhaps she's worried about more of that pesky transparency and accountability. Well,
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Speaker 2: let's turn to the bombshell reports from today that Russia
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Speaker 2: wants to have a military base with a long range
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Speaker 2: aircraft in Indonesia. This would be a mere four hundred
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Speaker 2: kilometers from Australia's mainland. The geostrategic threat from a hostile
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Speaker 2: dictatorship so close to Australia would of course be significant. Now,
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Speaker 2: Albanezy had nothing of substance to say earlier today when
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Speaker 2: he was asked about this, except that he was being briefed.
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Speaker 2: He truly is utterly hopeless.
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Speaker 12: Have a look, we have a good relationship with our
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Speaker 12: friend in Indonesia and we're seeking further clarification. Obviously do
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Speaker 12: not want to see Russia an influence in our region.
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Speaker 2: He never knows what's going on. He is never across
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Speaker 2: the detail. He's stumbling, mumbling his way through the answers.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton meanwhile said it would be a catastrophic failure
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Speaker 2: of diplomatic relations if Albanzi was oblivious to Russia's reported move.
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Speaker 9: We would want to hear from the Prime Minister about
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Speaker 9: what if it's have been undertaken. Obviously, surely they must
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Speaker 9: have known about this before it's been made public, and
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Speaker 9: if not, then that is a catastrophic failure of Penny
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Speaker 9: Wong and Anthony Alberzian.
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Speaker 2: Now it's taken hours and hours and hours to actually
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Speaker 2: get to the bottom of this, and now Defense Minister
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Speaker 2: Richard Miles Tonight says that Indonesia has told him the
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Speaker 2: reports are not true, that they won't host a Russian aircraft.
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Speaker 2: He said he's spoken to his counterpart and he's told
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Speaker 2: him in the clearest possible terms that the reports of
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Speaker 2: the prospect of Russian aircraft operating from Indonesia are not true.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in now Shadow Home Affairs Minister and Coalition
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Speaker 2: campaign spokesman James Patterson. James, great to see you again.
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Speaker 2: Are you convinced by this assurance from Richard Miles Tonight.
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Speaker 6: Well, I certainly hope that it's true, and it would
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Speaker 6: be welcome news if the Indonesian government had ruled out
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Speaker 6: any Russian air Force access to Indonesian military bases.
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Speaker 1: But it's not sufficiently clear.
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Speaker 6: I think from the minister's statement that that is the case,
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Speaker 6: and I look forward to official confirmation from the Indonesian
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Speaker 6: government that not only will Russian aircraft not be based
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Speaker 6: in Indonesia, but they won't have any sort of visiting
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Speaker 6: or access arrangements at all. Because Indonesia is an incredibly
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Speaker 6: important national security partner for Australia. We work very cooperatively
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Speaker 6: with them on things like people smuggling, account terrorism, anti
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Speaker 6: narcotics trafficking and other important issues, and we want to
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Speaker 6: make sure that relationship main strong. The thing that concerns
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Speaker 6: me most from today, though, Shari, is that it's very
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Speaker 6: clear that until this was reported in the media, the
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Speaker 6: Australian government, the Obernezi Gap and had no idea that
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Speaker 6: Russia had made this request of Indonesia, and they were
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Speaker 6: rushed into a panicked phone call to try and get
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Speaker 6: to the bottom of this. Well, a good relationship should
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Speaker 6: make sure that you know about these things in advance,
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Speaker 6: and good intelligence should make sure that you know about
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Speaker 6: these things in advance. But it does seem like a
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Speaker 6: pretty significant failure on this government's watch.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's turn to the polls now, which show a
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Speaker 2: labor that is on the ascendancy. It shows the coalition
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Speaker 2: falling behind now. The Nationals leader David little Proud was
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Speaker 2: on with Chris Kenny earlier tonight and he said something
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Speaker 2: really interesting. He said that the national polls weren't an
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Speaker 2: accurate reflection of the election or what the internal Liberal
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Speaker 2: polls are showing here.
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Speaker 13: He was, I don't think the national polls are reflective
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Speaker 13: of the hyper local campaigns are taking place there and
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Speaker 13: I think to your point, it's exactly about cost of
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Speaker 13: living about in particularly as you get out of the
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Speaker 13: inner suburbs where there is not necessarily a bigger cost
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Speaker 13: of living crisis as these you get at further out,
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Speaker 13: they're not feeling it as much. And I think what's
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Speaker 13: important is that what we're not walking away from the
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Speaker 13: national polls and what they reflect what we're seeing now
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Speaker 13: we're internal polling, is that as you get out where
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Speaker 13: Australians are struggling and we're saying to them we're going
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Speaker 13: to give you a tax cut of twelve hundred dollars
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Speaker 13: an individual twenty four hundred family.
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Speaker 2: James. He also said this was more like the twenty
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Speaker 2: nineteen election than twenty twenty two, So is he right?
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Speaker 2: Or your internal polls showing the Coalition ahead in those
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Speaker 2: out of suburban seats.
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Speaker 6: Sure, you won't expect me to disclose internal polling on
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Speaker 6: your program tonight, but let me point to something that's
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Speaker 6: in the public realm that shows something very interesting about leaders.
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Speaker 6: Peter Dutton was in three seats in Melbourne today. He
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Speaker 6: was in McEwen, he was in Hawk and he's in Gorton.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 6: One of those is a traditional marginal seat in McEwen,
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Speaker 6: but we haven't held it for some time. Hawk is
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Speaker 6: a new seat, but it covers territory that's been safe
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Speaker 6: flavor and we've never held the seat of Gorton. And
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Speaker 6: that's where Peter Dutton spent his time today and he
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Speaker 6: got a terrific reception show that even the press gallery
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Speaker 6: wrote it up. Where was the Prime Minister today, Well,
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Speaker 6: he was in Franklin in Tasmania, and he was in
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Speaker 6: Cooper in Victoria. Now, your most scarce resource in a
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Speaker 6: campaign is your leader. And it's a very strange thing
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Speaker 6: to send your prime minister to safe labor held seats
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Speaker 6: if you've got no concerns at all. So perhaps the
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Speaker 6: Greens are surging in Cooper and there are danger of
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Speaker 6: losing it there. Perhaps the Independent in Franklin is a
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Speaker 6: grave danger of taking the seat off Julie Collins there, and.
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Speaker 1: That could be a very big upset.
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Speaker 6: And if the Prime Mister has to spend time and
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Speaker 6: money defending seats like that, well it makes other contests
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Speaker 6: much more competitive.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you said that that you wouldn't talk about
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Speaker 2: internal polling, but of course the Nationalist leader did. He
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Speaker 2: said that your internal polling showed that Darton was ahead
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Speaker 2: in those outer suburban areas. But we're hearing a lot
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Speaker 2: of public criticisms about the coalition's campaign, including that the
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Speaker 2: work from home policy wasn't dumped early enough, that other
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Speaker 2: policies were announced too late, that the tv ads didn't
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Speaker 2: start soon enough. What do you say to cons earned
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Speaker 2: coalition voters that the election is slipping away from the coalition?
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Speaker 2: You know, what is the path to victory?
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Speaker 6: I would say that when people hear our message, they
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Speaker 6: are incredibly receptive to it, to it and to us,
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Speaker 6: and they're inclined to vote for us. And particularly when
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Speaker 6: they hear that we're going to cut people's petrol and
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Speaker 6: diesel tax by fourteen dollars a tank, they're going to
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Speaker 6: vote Coalition when they hear that will give them twelve
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Speaker 6: hundred dollars of their taxpayer's money back is a cost
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Speaker 6: of living repaate.
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Speaker 1: They're inclined to vote Coalition.
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Speaker 6: When they hear that we're going to push more gas
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Speaker 6: into the system to drive down prices, they're going to
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Speaker 6: vote for the Coalition. When they hear about our comprehensive
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Speaker 6: housing plan to get first home buyers back into the
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Speaker 6: market for a first time in a long time, they're
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Speaker 6: very open to vote into the Coalition. So we've got
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Speaker 6: to sell to make over the next two and a
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Speaker 6: half weeks.
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Speaker 1: We know that. But when people hear.
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Speaker 6: Our message, they are very receptive to it and very
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Speaker 6: inclined to vote for us.
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Speaker 2: Chris Kenny revealed on his show earlier today that although
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Speaker 2: the Labor government officially opposes your taxation benefit for first
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Speaker 2: home buyersmps are actually able to claim these deductions personally. So, James,
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Speaker 2: do you think that the Prime Minister and other ministers
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Speaker 2: and coalition figures as well should declare, if they're receiving
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Speaker 2: this benefit that they object to first home buyers having.
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Speaker 6: Well, I certainly hope that there's no Labor MP claiming
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Speaker 6: a benefit that they want to deny to a first
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Speaker 6: home buyer. But when it comes to the Coalition, we're
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Speaker 6: very clear we think we need significant change to our
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Speaker 6: tax system to facilitate first time buyers getting into the market.
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Speaker 6: We want to give them a leg up, we want
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Speaker 6: to give them advantage in the market. We want them
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Speaker 6: to be able to go to an auction and bid
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Speaker 6: with confidence knowing that they'll be able to get a
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Speaker 6: significant tax rebate if they're a first time buyer buying
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Speaker 6: a new home, to the tune of eleven to twelve
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Speaker 6: thousand dollars a year, which would be transformative for a
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Speaker 6: lot of young people who feel that been locked out
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Speaker 6: of the market. In conjunction with our other policies to
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Speaker 6: boost supply and reduce demand by cutting back on immigration,
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Speaker 6: that's what the offering we're making to young Australians to
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Speaker 6: restore that hope of home ownership. And we think that
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Speaker 6: we and they hear that message, they'll increasingly vote for
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Speaker 6: the Coalition.
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Speaker 2: But if labor's objecting to this tax benefit and they're
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Speaker 2: personally receiving it, then shouldn't they publicly disclose that disclose that.
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Speaker 6: Certainly that would be certainly that would be an active hypocrisy,
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Speaker 6: and probably not the first one from this Labor Party.
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Speaker 6: They're often ones to claim benefits for themselves that they
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Speaker 6: deny to others. But for us, we are about getting
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Speaker 6: Australians into the home into the home mark all right,
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Speaker 6: I just.
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Speaker 2: Want to ask you about my report from the start
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Speaker 2: of the program where the Teals have been paying influences
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Speaker 2: to endorse their policies. Now you personally wrote to the
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Speaker 2: AEC Commissioner asking for an investigation. What are your concerns
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Speaker 2: here and is the coalition paying any influencers to produce
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Speaker 2: positive content?
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Speaker 6: Well, the only content that the Coalition publishes in the
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Speaker 6: election campaign is authorized and released by the coalition. We're
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Speaker 6: not covertly paying anyone to say nice things about us
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Speaker 6: without declaring it.
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Speaker 1: And that's the problem here.
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Speaker 6: The Teals run on a platform of integrity and transparency,
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Speaker 6: but this is not true. Sparent and integrity is doing
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Speaker 6: the right thing even when you think someone's not watching.
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Speaker 6: But when Allegrath Spender thought no one was watching, she
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Speaker 6: thought she could get away with secretly paying influences to
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Speaker 6: say nice things about her without disclosing that to voters.
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Speaker 1: It's similar behavior that we've seen from.
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Speaker 6: Other teals, like Manique Ryan's husband, who thought when no
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Speaker 6: one was watching, it was okay to steal your political
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Speaker 6: opponent's signs. And that's why a lot of people are
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Speaker 6: waking up to the teals. They're realizing that what they bought,
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Speaker 6: what they've got, is not what they paid for, and
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Speaker 6: it's time for them to take a different choice at
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Speaker 6: this election and return liberal members to the Federal Parliament
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Speaker 6: who will actually fight for their communities, who will actually
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Speaker 6: have a seat around the table, who can actually make
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Speaker 6: a difference.
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Speaker 2: All right, James Patterson, really appreciate your time and insights
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Speaker 2: as always. Thanks so much. And by the way, I've
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Speaker 2: got Roe Knox coming up on the show a bit later,
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Speaker 2: so we'll get back to that teal topic then. But
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Speaker 2: now let's bring in farm a Speaker of the House,
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Speaker 2: Bronwan Bishop and Sky News host Steve Price. Great to
19:54
Speaker 2: see you both now. The Prime Minister snubbed Tania Plibsek
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Speaker 2: on Sunday, then yesterday he wouldn't even guarantee that she'd
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Speaker 2: have a job after the election. Well today he was
20:05
Speaker 2: under pressure over this, over their relationship, and he finally
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Speaker 2: said yes, she'll be in cabinet. It was a capitulation
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Speaker 2: of salts. Have a look.
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Speaker 12: I got the same answer yesterday that i'll give today,
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Speaker 12: which is I expect Tenure Polibacy will be a senior
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Speaker 12: cabinet minister. She's an important member of my team.
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Speaker 2: Bronman Albanizy is no champion of women. He didn't want
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Speaker 2: any investigation into the mean girls. He played a key
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Speaker 2: role in toppling Australia's first female prime minister, and now
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Speaker 2: he's treated Tanya Plibisec like this. It would be a
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Speaker 2: scandal if it was a coalition figure, you know, who
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Speaker 2: had rebuffed a senior woman like that at a campaign launch.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, I was pretty fucked.
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Speaker 7: I really was.
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Speaker 10: Of course, that was no gentle pushback. It was very
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Speaker 10: physical and it did show animosity. There's no two ways
20:57
Speaker 10: about it. And you're right about him being the key
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Speaker 10: driver to get rid of Julia Getar. I distinctly remember
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Speaker 10: seeing him convening a group of people in a restaurant
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Speaker 10: just before it all happened. They happened to be sitting
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Speaker 10: down near the Ladies' Loo, so I went down to intervene.
21:15
Speaker 10: It was quite obvious with Dicky bee Kish, they had
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Speaker 10: all their numbers around and they were busy plotting away.
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Speaker 10: But it's not the only one. I mean, when Susan
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Speaker 10: Lae was under attack in the Parliament, Albernezy was heard
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Speaker 10: to say, smash her up. You know, it's not nice terminology,
21:33
Speaker 10: your words to that effect. But he pretends to be
21:36
Speaker 10: out there being the friend to all and whatever. But
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Speaker 10: that's not nice behavior, and particularly Titania, who is well
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Speaker 10: respected as a person, and of course his competition for him.
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Speaker 2: What do you think, Steve, if this was a coalition
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Speaker 2: figure who had pushed away one of the most popular
21:54
Speaker 2: senior women at a campaign lodge, it would be a
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Speaker 2: massive story with claims there was a women problem.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, imagine if Scott Morrison, Tony Abbott, Peter Dutton had
22:07
Speaker 11: done it, it would be a huge story. Look, I
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Speaker 11: think and Bromin probably knows these two better than I do.
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Speaker 11: But there is mutual loathing between the pair of them.
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Speaker 11: I mean, Tanya doesn't like Anthony Albanesi about as much
22:19
Speaker 11: as Anthony Albanesi doesn't like Tanya. I mean, this, of
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Speaker 11: course is the Prime Minister who, when he won the election,
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Speaker 11: ripped education out of Tanya plivosex hands and gave her
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Speaker 11: the environment and said go down to Tasmania and fix
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Speaker 11: up the salmon problem. I mean, she didn't want to
22:34
Speaker 11: have anything to do with environment. It's a poison chalice,
22:37
Speaker 11: horrible portfolio to have, and so he dumped her in there.
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Speaker 11: He said today that she'd be in a future cabinet
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Speaker 11: if they win the election on the third of May.
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Speaker 11: God knows what portfolio he's going to give her, and
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Speaker 11: could it get any worse than the environment. And when
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Speaker 11: you go back and look at that vision again of
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Speaker 11: him today, I just asked you to have a look
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Speaker 11: at the facial expression of Kate Gallagher, the senator who's
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Speaker 11: over his left shoulder and every time he speaks about
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Speaker 11: a range of things. Today it struck me. I don't
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Speaker 11: know if it struck you the same, Shari. She was
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Speaker 11: looking at him as if, what the hell are you
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Speaker 11: talking about?
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Speaker 2: He did notice that. I did notice that, because he
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Speaker 2: was trying to tell some story that he obviously thought
23:20
Speaker 2: was amazing about goal for his dogs, like some kabood
23:24
Speaker 2: or birthday party. What was on about, honestly, and she
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Speaker 2: was just looking quite concerned over shoulders.
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Speaker 11: I actually did daggers Daggers.
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Speaker 2: Yes, browin Albanezy has been accused of measuring up the curtains.
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Speaker 2: He claims he wants to run for a third term. Look,
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Speaker 2: the Poles are in his favor. But we've heard David
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Speaker 2: Little Proud come out tonight. Perhaps he said something he
23:48
Speaker 2: wasn't meant to when he said their internal liberal research
23:50
Speaker 2: showed they were ahead in the out of suburban areas.
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Speaker 2: James Patterson wouldn't repeat that. But what do you make
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Speaker 2: of all of this, of where it's headed.
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Speaker 10: Well, I think Obaniece has become very cocky. He's feels
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Speaker 10: he's head, he's going to get there, and when he
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Speaker 10: starts me in that mood, he gets very careless. And
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Speaker 10: that rambling business about walking Toto in the park and
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Speaker 10: Marckle was just bizarre an example of it, Seriously, it was.
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Speaker 10: But I think if you look at this question of arrogance,
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Speaker 10: it does perhaps indicate there could be a fall before
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Speaker 10: the next eighteen days are up. I just feel that
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Speaker 10: when we see these Poles showing so much of a
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Speaker 10: lead to the Labor Party, which has happened in such
24:41
Speaker 10: a short period of time, I think the Poles have
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Speaker 10: become themselves part of the campaigning they used to demoralize people.
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Speaker 10: And to be honest, I've spent two days in Perth
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Speaker 10: over the weekend, indeed I did, and they're not demoralized.
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Speaker 10: They're working so hard and I can just say those
24:59
Speaker 10: candidates are in the field, they've got their chipper. They're
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Speaker 10: there because they know Western Australia is under threat if
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Speaker 10: a labor has returned, the Nature positive legislation, the Northwest Shelf,
25:16
Speaker 10: keep the sheep, those are issues that are very real
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Speaker 10: to people in Western Australia and they know that they're
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Speaker 10: in trouble if labor gets real increasing.
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Speaker 2: I think you're right that the Poles can set a mood,
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Speaker 2: they can become a self fulfilling prophecy. And Steve, you know,
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Speaker 2: the Poles were wrong in the recent US election, completely wrong.
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Speaker 2: They were wrong in twenty nineteen with Morrison's when they've
25:38
Speaker 2: been wrong at other points in time in the past
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Speaker 2: as well. Not to say that they definitely will be
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Speaker 2: wrong now, but just to take them with a grain
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Speaker 2: of salt, particularly when you hear the leader of the
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Speaker 2: Nationals say it's not what our internal research is telling us.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's interesting you mentioned twenty nineteen Sharry, I'll take
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Speaker 11: you and Bronnie back to that election because Bill Shorton
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Speaker 11: talk about people measuring up curtains for the lodge or
26:04
Speaker 11: Kurabilly house. I mean Bill and Chloe Shorten apparently had
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Speaker 11: the removal trucks parked out in the front of their house
26:10
Speaker 11: in Essendon ready to go on Sunday morning. And of
26:12
Speaker 11: course you know Morrison won three seats and short and
26:16
Speaker 11: lost one. That was the unlosable election. Shorton should have
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Speaker 11: been Prime Minister. He thought he was going to win.
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Speaker 11: He was full of hubris, a little like the way
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Speaker 11: Bromin's describing Anthony Albanesi at the moment. There's a long
26:26
Speaker 11: way to go in this. Yes, Stutton's behind, but I
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Speaker 11: just I mean one thing I'd point out the Canberra
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Speaker 11: Press cutty. Imagine how painful it would be on the
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Speaker 11: traveling bus going around with Anthony ALBANIZI every day to
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Speaker 11: stand up there. And I watched on Sky News' election
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Speaker 11: channel yesterday the full Adelaide media conference that he did
26:46
Speaker 11: with with Premier melanawskis the waffle let the bloke goes
26:51
Speaker 11: on with the funny stories that he wanders off down
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Speaker 11: on sort of windy roads telling us about I mean,
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Speaker 11: golf courses in his seat. I mean, what who asked?
27:03
Speaker 11: What's it all about? I mean, he just he's not inspiring.
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Speaker 11: He gives no one. I don't think he gives anyone
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Speaker 11: inspiration that Jesus blokes he's strong and tough and he
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Speaker 11: could lead the country. I mean, he turns me off.
27:18
Speaker 11: I've got to say he's.
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Speaker 2: A waffler, you know what I have to say. The
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Speaker 2: polls say he's ahead, but I haven't met anyone except
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Speaker 2: for Richo and Joe Hildebrand, who says to me, I
27:31
Speaker 2: think Albo's doing a great job. I'm going to vote
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Speaker 2: for him again. Richo and Joe hilda Brand are literally
27:38
Speaker 2: the only two people who tell me they're going to
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Speaker 2: vote for him. So I don't know where all these
27:43
Speaker 2: voters come from. No one else thinks he's doing a
27:45
Speaker 2: good job. I mean, I talk about politics all day,
27:47
Speaker 2: every day with everyone I see in every location, and
27:51
Speaker 2: everyone's angry at Albanezy, even if they've been lifelong labor supporters.
27:56
Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know where these votes these
27:58
Speaker 2: are come from, who are being picked up in the
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Speaker 2: national polls. But I have to get to this story.
28:03
Speaker 2: Before we go to the ad break. The Greens were
28:06
Speaker 2: planning an outrageous Anzac Day rave dance party fundraiser. It
28:11
Speaker 2: has now been rescheduled after there was outrage today Ron
28:15
Speaker 2: when this was being called the Greens party party promoted
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Speaker 2: as a ticketed fundraiser. I mean, you can't get more
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Speaker 2: disrespectful than this.
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Speaker 10: Only the Greens would contemplate metaphorically dancing on the graves
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Speaker 10: those who served our country. Only the Greens who hate
28:34
Speaker 10: this country. Only the Greens who want to deny the
28:38
Speaker 10: sacrificer was given not only by people in war, but
28:41
Speaker 10: by people who struggle to build this nation, this modern
28:44
Speaker 10: Australia as we know. So they're not to be given
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Speaker 10: any credit about anything. They truly are a vile party
28:52
Speaker 10: and should be last on everybody's ticket.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely. I mean you think they can't get worse than
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Speaker 2: they go and do something just appalling life?
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Speaker 10: Absolutely?
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Speaker 2: All right, Brow and Bishop Steve Price, thanks both so much.
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Speaker 2: We'll see you next week.
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Speaker 1: Thanks.
29:07
Speaker 2: Now, still to come evidence Facebook is spying on anxious children,
29:11
Speaker 2: plus the police have been called in over Liberal candidate
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Speaker 2: Roe Knox's posters being defaced. She'll join me live next
29:24
Speaker 2: Welcome back, with the integrity of the teals is under
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Speaker 2: scrutiny this campaign. Minnie Grian's husband was caught tearing down
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Speaker 2: posters of her young female Liberal rival Emilia Hamer, and
29:36
Speaker 2: Allegraspender has been exposed for paying influences to post positive
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Speaker 2: content in a scandal the Coalition has dubbed cash for
29:43
Speaker 2: comment with a Liberal candidate for Wentworth, Roe Knox, is
29:46
Speaker 2: up against these tactics and she joins me, now Roe,
29:49
Speaker 2: good to see you again.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, great to be on the show.
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Speaker 2: Chari Peter Duttan's come out and said that you would
29:55
Speaker 2: be a minister in his government if there is a
29:58
Speaker 2: coalition government. That's the sense of how the campaign's going.
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Speaker 2: What is your internal research telling you?
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Speaker 14: Yes, So the campaign on the ground is going really well.
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Speaker 14: We're getting a huge amount of positive feedback. And when
30:11
Speaker 14: Worth ready for a change, they really want to have
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Speaker 14: a seat at the table again. They want to have
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Speaker 14: a member of Parliament who's in a cabinet, who has
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Speaker 14: abilities to vote on policy, influence policy.
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Speaker 7: And be in the party room.
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Speaker 2: I reported earlier tonight that a florist, a business owner
30:29
Speaker 2: in Wentworth in Double Bay, rang Allegra Spender's office asked
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Speaker 2: her why she pulled out of the debate, and this
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Speaker 2: business owner was told that she didn't trust the editorial
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Speaker 2: standards at Sky News. Why do you think Allegra would
30:42
Speaker 2: have such a problem with Sky News when we hosted
30:45
Speaker 2: fair and balanced debates that were good enough for Alban
30:48
Speaker 2: Easy and Jim Chalmers.
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Speaker 14: Look, I can't speak for Allegra spender Shari, but I
30:52
Speaker 14: think it's more that she's got a problem with debating me,
30:56
Speaker 14: in debating our campaign team, rather than actually a problem
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Speaker 14: is Sky News. And my view is I'd really welcome
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Speaker 14: her to review this decision. I'd welcome Simon Homes of
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Speaker 14: Court to let a debate. I think it's really really important.
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Speaker 2: That the constituentings he's pulling the strings, he's not letting
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Speaker 2: her debate.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 14: I think it was very unusual that she'd agreed to
31:17
Speaker 14: do a debate and then pulled out from a debate.
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Speaker 14: And my view is the people that wentworth they deserve
31:23
Speaker 14: to hear what their candidates stand for.
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Speaker 2: There's a big issue with your posters being pulled down,
31:29
Speaker 2: and I'm told dozens, if not maybe even hundreds of
31:32
Speaker 2: posters have been removed. This is very frustrating for your
31:36
Speaker 2: volunteers in particular what's going on here.
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Speaker 7: Look, it's very hard.
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Speaker 14: We don't know who's pulling them down, but disproportionately our
31:44
Speaker 14: posters are being pulled down over other campaigns, and my
31:49
Speaker 14: personal view is everyone should keep up everyone's posters.
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Speaker 7: We should. This is part of the democratic process and it's.
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Speaker 14: Really disappointing that our volunteers will finish up a long
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Speaker 14: date work, they'll go and put out some posters and
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Speaker 14: quite often in the morning they're all gone and replaced
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Speaker 14: with other posters.
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Speaker 2: The police have even become involved because some of your
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Speaker 2: posters have been quite severely defaced, swastikas, Nazi symbols and
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Speaker 2: even dog smear. What's the police involvement here? What action
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Speaker 2: are they taking?
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Speaker 14: So we've reported, particularly the anti Semitic ones straight to
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Speaker 14: the police because they've also used symbols that are now
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Speaker 14: outlawed in New South Wales. I don't have an update
32:37
Speaker 14: from the police yet, but I can certainly check in
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Speaker 14: and get one of those. But I've never seen anything
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Speaker 14: like this in a federal campaign before.
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Speaker 7: Because it's not just a couple, it is.
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Speaker 14: A massive number of our posters have been to faced
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Speaker 14: in this manner.
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Speaker 2: Is it personally upsetting to you because you're not used
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Speaker 2: to this sort of treatment. You know, you've been a
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Speaker 2: private individual. Do you find it upsetting?
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Speaker 14: I find it upsetting that people think it's acceptable to
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Speaker 14: do this when it's posted for.
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Speaker 7: A democratic campaign.
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Speaker 14: And I think the prevalence of it the fact that
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Speaker 14: the Israel issue has come into our electorate and that
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Speaker 14: people think it's acceptable to put these things that are
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Speaker 14: so hurtful, particularly for Jewish people in our seat.
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Speaker 2: I've been reporting tonight and it's been a big issue
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Speaker 2: this week about Algraspender paying influences for positive content that
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Speaker 2: was a disclosure issue. What's your view on this?
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Speaker 14: So, Shari, obviously the Teals have run on pillars of
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Speaker 14: integrity and transparency, and I don't see integrity or transparency
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Speaker 14: in paying for endorsements and not disclosing it appropriately. And
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Speaker 14: my view is as well, these personal endorsements are so
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Speaker 14: powerful that to not disclose it a brittle is I
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Speaker 14: think it shows a complete lack of transparency and integrity.
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Speaker 14: And I can assure you, Sharhi, that all our endorsements
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Speaker 14: on our social media are not paid for their people
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Speaker 14: of the community that really really want to change.
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Speaker 7: They really want to change for the better.
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Speaker 2: There's also been concerns about a wealthy US based trader,
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Speaker 2: Andrew Killian. He's reportedly this has been reported in The
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Speaker 2: Australian given half a million dollars to the tials since
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. This has come our own investment vehicle
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Speaker 2: built from shares in foreign companies. Do you think there
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Speaker 2: are concerns about this, whether this amounts to foreign funding
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Speaker 2: at all?
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Speaker 14: So there are concerns with a whole suite of Climate
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Speaker 14: two hundred where that funding money has come from. My
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Speaker 14: view is this is something that Climate two hundred and
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Speaker 14: Legraspender have to answer the question on.
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Speaker 7: They have to prove, in.
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Speaker 14: The interest of transparency and integrity that this funding is
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Speaker 14: accords with all rules and it was done in a
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Speaker 14: proper manner.
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Speaker 2: I mean we as you say, they ran on a
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Speaker 2: platform of integrity and transparency. But the original source of
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Speaker 2: this of these donations then isn't quite clear is.
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Speaker 14: It seems it seems murky and also I noted that
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Speaker 14: the entity didn't have GST status, but the actual donations
35:26
Speaker 14: are so large, so I think once again this is
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Speaker 14: a question that needs to be answered by Climate two
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Speaker 14: hundred and by a Leger spenders campaign.
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Speaker 2: All right, so just to finish off tonight where we started,
35:36
Speaker 2: you would still like to debate a Legraspender. You're calling
35:40
Speaker 2: tonight for her to do a debate.
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Speaker 7: I would love to debate a Legraspender.
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Speaker 14: I think will be fantastic for our community to see
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Speaker 14: what their candidates stand for.
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Speaker 2: I mean, no one has suggested that Sky News debates
35:52
Speaker 2: haven't been objective of even our worst critics Criikee The Guardian,
35:56
Speaker 2: no one has.
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Speaker 14: Suggested they weren't fair. So yeah, I don't think it's
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Speaker 14: an issue with integrity at Sky. I think it's an
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Speaker 14: issue that Allegrosbinder doesn't want to have a debate.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll enjoy the rest of the campaign. Bronox good.
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Speaker 7: Great to see Shari and still to come.
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Speaker 2: Albin Easy. You can't answer questions about how he'll pay
36:15
Speaker 2: for all his election promises. A senior former insider from
36:19
Speaker 2: Treasury will join me on the show. Plus the leak
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Speaker 2: documents that show Facebook is monitoring and cashing in on
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Speaker 2: children's anxiety. That story after this quick break. Well there's
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Speaker 2: a spotlight now on Facebook's dark arts its exploitation of
36:39
Speaker 2: children has been exposed. Internal confidential documents show that Facebook
36:44
Speaker 2: can detect when children are feeling stressed, defeated, overwhelmed, stupid, nervous,
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Speaker 2: useless and like of failure. It's even boasted about this
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Speaker 2: insight to media agency, saying that it can then target
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Speaker 2: children who are feeling like this. Now, these allegations first
37:03
Speaker 2: emerged in twenty seventeen, but now a whistleblower has given
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Speaker 2: evidence to the US Senate Judiciary Committee about some of
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Speaker 2: these strategies.
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Speaker 15: Here she was, and so what the company was doing
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Speaker 15: was letting these advertisers know that these thirteen to seventeen
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Speaker 15: year olds were feeling depressed and saying now is a
37:24
Speaker 15: really good time to serve them an Advertisementor if a
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Speaker 15: thirteen year old girl would delete her selfie, that's a
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Speaker 15: really good time to try and sell her a beauty product.
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Speaker 2: It's just appalling exploitation. Now joining me now to discuss
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Speaker 2: is the Australian Newspapers Managing editor and commercial director Darren Davidson,
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Speaker 2: who's investigated this story in the past and written about
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Speaker 2: it today. Darren, thanks for your time. So Facebook, as
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Speaker 2: we heard there and as you've reported it boasted to
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Speaker 2: me agencies in internal documents that it can target kids
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Speaker 2: when they feel worthless and insecure. So can you give
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Speaker 2: us a bit more detail on how they then exploit
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Speaker 2: children who are in this state.
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Speaker 16: The idea is that they can pinpoint exact moments when
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Speaker 16: young children, particularly females, are feeling anxious. As you said, depressed.
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Speaker 16: Worthless was one of the emotional fields that Facebook's sophisticated
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Speaker 16: the algorithm can target. The document I obtained talked about
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Speaker 16: young girls building confidence between a Monday and a Thursday,
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Speaker 16: and then from Friday through the weekend they would being
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Speaker 16: what they called broadcast mode, talking about their achievements and
38:43
Speaker 16: things like that. And the document essentially outlined how media
38:46
Speaker 16: agencies and barf for their clients, and in this case,
38:49
Speaker 16: in this document it was a bank and a chewing
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Speaker 16: gun manufacturer could actually target young girls and adolescents and
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Speaker 16: children as young as fourteen and thirteen during these moments
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Speaker 16: when they might be more susceptible to advertisements. And I
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Speaker 16: was astonished when I got hold of that document. As
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Speaker 16: you know, we reported it in The Australian at the time,
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Speaker 16: and it's now resurfaced eight years later in this US
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Speaker 16: Congress investigation into Facebook. Sarah Wynn Williams, who you just
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Speaker 16: saw there in the grab, she was actually dispatched by
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Speaker 16: Cheryl Sandberg that then second in command to Mark Zuckerberg,
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Speaker 16: to essentially kill my story. And in the book which
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Speaker 16: I've been reading over the past week, Sarah talks about
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Speaker 16: her attempts to actually do that. They gave me a
39:36
Speaker 16: misleading statement, another misleading statement, And in the days after
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Speaker 16: the story was published, I was phoned by two journalists
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Speaker 16: in Australia, one at Fairfax and one at the ABC,
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Speaker 16: who told me that Facebook had contacted them and personally
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Speaker 16: sort of attacked me and attempted really to smear me,
39:54
Speaker 16: an attempt to stop dissuade other journalists and media outlets
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Speaker 16: from following our story.
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Speaker 2: And it's taken years for this to be, you know,
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Speaker 2: center staged for Sarah Winn Williams to give evidence in
40:05
Speaker 2: such a public way in a congressional committee. How seriously
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Speaker 2: is this now being taken by well the Trump administration,
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Speaker 2: but also both sides of politics in the United States,
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Speaker 2: And what's being done about this now? Because parents right
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Speaker 2: around the world are already so concerned about the impact
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Speaker 2: that social media is having on their children.
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Speaker 16: I totally agree. I mean, I think parents are in
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Speaker 16: this kind of sticky situation of feeling a little bit
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Speaker 16: helpless about what to do in regards to screens. I mean,
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Speaker 16: many schools will have tablets in the classrooms now, and
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Speaker 16: we've kind of moved and transitioned from sort of play
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Speaker 16: based activities to screen based playtime now and then that's
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Speaker 16: kind of that's quite sad. I think a lot of
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Speaker 16: parents would like to see legislative action to actually address
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Speaker 16: and deal with this problem. I think our Anthony Albert
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Speaker 16: Easi's proposals to ban social media for under fourteen's will
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Speaker 16: probably resonate quite strongly in this federal election in a
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Speaker 16: few weeks time. It is gaining traction in the US.
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Speaker 16: That inquiry is also centered on Facebook's links to China,
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Speaker 16: so that's a focus for them as well. But I
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Speaker 16: think there is a groundswell of opinion now around the
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Speaker 16: world and a bit of momentum behind this to actually
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Speaker 16: do something about this and bring Facebook to account. I
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Speaker 16: think the other idea that's been floated on Australia by
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Speaker 16: our executive chairman at the Newsical of Australian, Michael Miller,
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Speaker 16: is for a social license for platforms like Facebook to operate.
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Speaker 16: And I think that idea is now starting to gain
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Speaker 16: a bit more popularity as well. It's considered quite radical
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Speaker 16: at the time, but I think it's now becoming something
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Speaker 16: that people are prepared to accept and adults if politicians
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Speaker 16: on both sides of the fence to get behind the idea.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, Dahan has the same policy of
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Speaker 2: course on children under the age of fourteen being banned
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Speaker 2: from having access to social media here I think actually
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Speaker 2: announced it. Sorry to fact check you on that, Darren,
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Speaker 2: but you got to get the policy sequence right here.
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Speaker 2: There's also this movement though in Australia, and I've had
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Speaker 2: the parents on my program even to stop children having
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Speaker 2: access to smartphones until at least year eight. So this
42:19
Speaker 2: movement to give for parents to give their kids dumb
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Speaker 2: phones so they can still contact them for security reasons
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Speaker 2: if they need to. But it just means that children
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Speaker 2: don't have access to the social media apps. And given
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Speaker 2: what we're now hearing in a very public way in
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Speaker 2: US Congress that these apps like Facebook, the most common,
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Speaker 2: probably one of the most common apps in the world,
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Speaker 2: is exploiting children like this when they are feeling most vulnerable.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's terrifying really concerning just a quick fightal comment, Darren.
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Speaker 16: I think that's a great idea, the one that you
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Speaker 16: just haven't lind there about phones. I think all parents
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Speaker 16: know instinctively that something quite founders happened with the introduction
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Speaker 16: on the smartphone back in two thousand and seven. And
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Speaker 16: we've had this period over the last ten years where
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Speaker 16: you know, we've seen handful effects and it's one of
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Speaker 16: the biggest I think challenges we are facing society today
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Speaker 16: social media and handful effects is having on children.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Indeed, all right, Garon Davidson, great, have you on
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Speaker 2: the program, Thanks for your time. Now still to come.
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Speaker 2: How does the Prime Minister plan to pay for his
43:25
Speaker 2: election spend? A thonon? Well, former senior Treasury insider will
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Speaker 2: join me next. Well, it's been a sugar hit spenderth
43:36
Speaker 2: on this election campaign, and today the Prime Minister was
43:39
Speaker 2: pressed on how exactly he's going to pay for it all.
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Speaker 13: You've ballparks so far at the halfway mark, announced roughly
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Speaker 13: forty billion dollars of new spending in this campaign.
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Speaker 1: Will all of that be borrowed money?
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Speaker 7: Or is this just the cost of an election campaign.
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Speaker 12: We put a lot into my EPO and we did
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Speaker 12: a lot of work in the lead up to the budget.
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Speaker 12: So a range of things that have been seen as
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Speaker 12: new investments are not are things that we've already account for.
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Speaker 2: Finance Ministercata Gallagher then offered up this equally abysmal reply.
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Speaker 8: Any concern that any of you have over the budget
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Speaker 8: should be focused on Peter Dutton and he's six hundred
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Speaker 8: billion dollars of spending that he's going to have to
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Speaker 8: make for the nuclear Well, this is a contest.
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Speaker 7: This election campaign is the contest.
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Speaker 8: We're very proud of our budget and what we've been
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Speaker 8: able to do with our budget and the commitments we've made.
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Speaker 2: Classic case of deflection will form a Treasury Assistant Secretary
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Speaker 2: David Pearl joins me. Now, David, thanks for your time. Look,
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Speaker 2: there seems to be no care for responsible spending, of
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Speaker 2: fiscal restraint or even proper answers about how are they
44:55
Speaker 2: going to pay for this? Do those responses that we
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Speaker 2: just heard concern you.
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Speaker 4: They do, Shari, but they don't surprise me.
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Speaker 1: Obviously.
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Speaker 4: The focus groups aren't showing that people in marginal electorates
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Speaker 4: are complaining about deficits and debt.
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Speaker 1: But just to be more serious.
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Speaker 4: Clearly the government's election spenderon is not being funded. If
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Speaker 4: there is a funding strategy, Shari, it's a combination of
45:22
Speaker 4: bracket creep which both the Government and the Opposition continue
45:25
Speaker 4: to support, and future debt on our children's generation.
45:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so worrying, and we know the budget figures
45:34
Speaker 2: show that next financial year it's forecast to hit a
45:37
Speaker 2: trillion dollars in debt. David, I want to ask you
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Speaker 2: about the economy more broadly. We know inflation isn't back
45:43
Speaker 2: to target bound yet, but now we're seeing this discussion
45:47
Speaker 2: about whether there could be a rate cut as a
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Speaker 2: result of Trump's tariff. So how do you see the
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Speaker 2: Australian economy and inflation for the remainder of this year.
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Speaker 4: Well, the economy I don't think is out of the
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Speaker 4: woods as far as inflation is concerned. The RBA at
46:08
Speaker 4: its last meaning was concerned Shari about a still tight
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Speaker 4: labor market which hasn't been loosening at all, and moderate
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Speaker 4: rage growth but productivity still flatlining. Activity is also picking up,
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Speaker 4: and overlaid on that, Shari, of course, is both major
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Speaker 4: parties spending plans in the election. So leaving aside the
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Speaker 4: uncertainty associated with Trump's tariffs, I don't think that we're
46:34
Speaker 4: clearly over inflation. And of course, if both the government
46:39
Speaker 4: and the opposition were committing to tightening spending, it would
46:44
Speaker 4: be much easier for the RBA Board to cut rates
46:47
Speaker 4: and inflation would be much lower.
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Speaker 2: So you of course saying that that irrespective of who wins,
46:53
Speaker 2: all of this big spending could be inflationary. Basically it
46:58
Speaker 2: could ultimately see rates either held for longer or possibly
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Speaker 2: even hiking again.
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Speaker 4: Well, the other point I wanted to make, Shari is
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Speaker 4: that if you look at the supply side of our economy,
47:12
Speaker 4: we've had too much demand in recent years because of
47:15
Speaker 4: government spending. But on the supply side where effectively imposing
47:19
Speaker 4: a tariff on energy, and we've reregulated our industrial relation system,
47:24
Speaker 4: so the supply or growth potential of the economy is less.
47:28
Speaker 4: And that's why even though disposable incomes have fallen more
47:32
Speaker 4: in Australia than any other OSD country, we still are
47:36
Speaker 4: not out of the woods as far as inflation is concerned.
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Speaker 4: So it's a collapse of supply, but the weak demand
47:42
Speaker 4: is not defeeding inflation, So that is a concern. The
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Speaker 4: Trump tariff, as you know, Shari could affect inflation either way.
47:53
Speaker 4: If a flood of Chinese and other goods heait Australian shaws.
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Speaker 4: If Chinese demand for Australia raw materials drops, then that
48:03
Speaker 4: would be deflationary. But of course if there are global
48:06
Speaker 4: supply change, supply chain disruptions, then that would have the
48:11
Speaker 4: opposite effect. So again I don't think the RBA should
48:14
Speaker 4: be cutting prematurely. They should be waiting for the hard data.
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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about housing policy. We saw
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Speaker 2: the treasure during another debate with Angus Taylor last night.
48:23
Speaker 2: He was asked if anybody had actually moved into one
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Speaker 2: of the houses.
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Speaker 11: Have a look, is a single person living in one
48:31
Speaker 11: of these houses? From this program we've built a couple
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Speaker 11: of as a single person actually moved into one of these.
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Speaker 2: We've built a couple of thousand houses.
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Speaker 9: There's twenty eight thousand more in heavy pipeline right now,
48:40
Speaker 9: and there'll be fewer your supposal, because you want to
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Speaker 9: cut the Housing Australia Future Fund so that free to
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Speaker 9: use viewer homes.
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Speaker 1: Not a single person who's living in one of these houses.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's concerning, isn't it That billions literally are
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Speaker 2: being promised for one point two million new homes by
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Speaker 2: the end of the decade, just in five years time,
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Speaker 2: and yet not one new house has actually been constructed.
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Speaker 2: According to Katie Gallagher's own admission.
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Speaker 4: Well, again, it's not a surprise because it reminds me
49:10
Speaker 4: of Bob Hawk's election promise many years ago that no
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Speaker 4: child shall live in poverty. Governments and oppositions roll out
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Speaker 4: these promises and these ambitious targets, but if you look
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Speaker 4: at the nitty gritty details, as housing experts have made
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Speaker 4: clear in recent days, local government planning and zoning, shortage
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Speaker 4: of materials, and a whole range of other supply side
49:31
Speaker 4: factors are limiting our capacity to provide additional housing to
49:35
Speaker 4: Australian people. So again, the government just gets the headline
49:39
Speaker 4: that it's going to build these houses, but the consequences
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Speaker 4: of that dishonesty won't be clear until after the election.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, David Pearl, always good to have your
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Speaker 2: independent analysis on the show. Thank you very much for
49:52
Speaker 2: joining us. All Right, well, we've got another two weeks
49:56
Speaker 2: until the election campaign. Two and a half weeks make
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Speaker 2: sure you're watching Sky News every single night, especially the
50:02
Speaker 2: next man coming up. So all we've got time for today.
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Speaker 2: I'll see you tomorrow night, right here at eight o'clock.
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Speaker 2: But right now, my mate, the wonderful Paul Murray