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Hour 1: Dave Bartoo Power Hour! Lebby, Kiffin, Golding & more! · Out of Bounds with Bo Bounds

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  Speaker 1: Dave bar two Matrix Analytical on the at a bound ship.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to start with Levy, and we're going
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  Speaker 1: to hit a lot of Levy and John David Baker
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  Speaker 1: and Golding and sold and possibly.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, what we need to do is compare John David
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  Speaker 2: Baker last year to Kiffen Weiss last year. Yes, what
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  Speaker 2: are the differences, run pass ratios, aggressiveness on third down,
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  Speaker 2: fourth down, you know, red zone, all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So put a pin in that one. We are going
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  Speaker 2: to I think we're going to try to preview John
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  Speaker 2: David Baker versus Weiss and Kiffin five. Okay, that should
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  Speaker 2: be I'm hoping it's fascinating. There's always nuggets in here
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  Speaker 2: where they're very, very different. You know. Another example on
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  Speaker 2: that Will Stein and Kenny Dillingham right at Oregon, and
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  Speaker 2: Kenny is a run heavy guy. Will came in pass
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  Speaker 2: heavy and it didn't fit, and so each year it
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  Speaker 2: got more and more run heavy till now. Will Stein
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  Speaker 2: when he left was almost like Kenny Dillingham. You could
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  Speaker 2: almost see Dan and his offensive line go, you need
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  Speaker 2: to do this and run the ball more. But it
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  Speaker 2: tells me Kentucky, even though he's not going to be
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  Speaker 2: the play caller. I bet Kentucky's gonna be throwing the
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  Speaker 2: ball a whole well, it doesn't matter who it is.
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  Speaker 2: Kentucky's throwing the ball a whole lot more than you
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  Speaker 2: ever seen with stoops. But and maybe even successfully so.
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  Speaker 2: But I think from a Kentucky standpoint, I think you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna see the pass game really get bumped up, because
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  Speaker 2: that's what will Stein really likes and gravitates to.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, bar two on the Out of Bounds Show, brought
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  Speaker 1: to you by Pearl River Resort. Okay, So some numbers
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  Speaker 1: as you were flying over here, Jeff lebes in the
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  Speaker 1: year three's on the hot seat. He's seven and eighteen overall,
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  Speaker 1: one in fifteen in conference play. Last year was okay,
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  Speaker 1: the year one was an absolute disaster. And and you
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  Speaker 1: were talking about situationally yep, play calling, situational play calling.
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  Speaker 1: So give us a rundown on Jeff Levy, his tendencies,
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  Speaker 1: what he likes to do.
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  Speaker 3: Third and three, third and four, third and five more.
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  Speaker 2: Two. Okay. So I when when I'm when I'm parsing
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  Speaker 2: through data, one of the things that I really like
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  Speaker 2: to do is I don't like data as a whole
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  Speaker 2: because run pass ratios can get skewed. You know you're
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  Speaker 2: up twenty, you're up twenty eight, it's fourth quarter, you're
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  Speaker 2: taking knees, you're running the clock. Numbers can get skewed.
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  Speaker 2: So I tried to look at head coaches and play
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  Speaker 2: callers when games are close one score games.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you're not worried about when they play a G
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  Speaker 1: five team and they win forty five to ten.
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  Speaker 3: No, you want to know what's happening in conference.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, I want to know what Jeff Levy's doing
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  Speaker 2: one of the games on the line against Arizona State,
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  Speaker 2: right against Toledo, right where it's where it's one the
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  Speaker 2: whole dang game, right and so uh And to me,
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  Speaker 2: when I when I look at situational analysis, I'm always
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  Speaker 2: looking at third and fourth down, okay, And so as
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  Speaker 2: we are sitting down, I asked, I literally ask, give
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  Speaker 2: me a write up on Jeff levy situational football third
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  Speaker 2: and fourth down in one score games in the SEC.
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  Speaker 2: So on, overall, on third down attempts, he ran the
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  Speaker 2: ball forty percent of the time and had a forty
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  Speaker 2: one percent overall conversion rate. Fourth down, he only ran
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  Speaker 2: a thirty eight percent of the time, but he had
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  Speaker 2: a fifty four percent conversion rate on fourth down, so
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  Speaker 2: it's really solid there. But what it says the overall
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  Speaker 2: story of his numbers is Lev'ssissippi State offense is middle
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  Speaker 2: of the pack in tendency, but struggles with execution. I know,
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  Speaker 2: I heard everybody out there day right, right, but it
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  Speaker 2: says particularly on third and long where the run game
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  Speaker 2: completely breaks down. So third and seven to third and ten, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: oh for seven didn't in a one score game, third
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  Speaker 2: and seven to third and ten? No, it was oh
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  Speaker 2: for seven on third down that was four. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it was bottom of the bucket in the sec uh
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  Speaker 2: third and eleven, oh for four? No, no conversions where
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  Speaker 2: he ranks low on some of these things, third eleven,
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  Speaker 2: passing one for thirteen. So when they passed on third
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  Speaker 2: and eleven, they were one for thirteen in what I
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  Speaker 2: call high what would we call that high leverage? High
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  Speaker 2: pressure situation? Sure, and I know maybe it's the first quarter,
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  Speaker 2: but man, a Missippi State, you're trying to win a
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  Speaker 2: damn ball game, right, Everything is high pressure, high leverage
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  Speaker 2: situation right now, you know, especially going into year three.
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  Speaker 2: So the passing game really broke down in third and
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  Speaker 2: eleven plus fourth down. Overall, they were eleven of sixteen
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  Speaker 2: for fifty three point eight percent, but SEC average sixty percent.
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  Speaker 2: So I mean that's that's six percentage points below the
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  Speaker 2: conference average. So the decision to go was better than
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  Speaker 2: a coin flip, but it was still under the conference numbers.
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  Speaker 2: And then fourth and short converting fourth and short running
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  Speaker 2: the football in a close ballgame, went for it four times,
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  Speaker 2: and fourth and short is fourth and one two or
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  Speaker 2: three went for a four times, only got one of
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  Speaker 2: them worse than the SEC. Didn't have a running quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and you know, well, did you have a
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  Speaker 2: running game? Right? Not really defensive line, see, because one
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  Speaker 2: one of the things that I find really interesting is
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  Speaker 2: when you look at the run to pass ratios for
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  Speaker 2: Jeff relative to the the conference. He ran the ball
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  Speaker 2: a lot in third and four, third and five, third
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  Speaker 2: and six. He ran the ball was He was top
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  Speaker 2: five in the conference in run pass ratio in third
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  Speaker 2: and four, third and five, third and six, which is
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  Speaker 2: not what we would expect from a passing offensive coordinator. Wow. Right, well,
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  Speaker 2: so here's the question, right, here's the subjective side of it.
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  Speaker 2: Does he have faith in the offense, faith in the
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  Speaker 2: offensive line, faith in the quarterback? Why is he running
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  Speaker 2: the floor? This is a This is a guy that
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  Speaker 2: has coached quarterbacks at FAU or what ucf UCF oh,
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  Speaker 2: miss Oklahoma? You know, I mean this guy has coach
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  Speaker 2: quarterbacks everywhere and those quarterbacks have been really good. So
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  Speaker 2: is there lack of faith in something in the offense
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  Speaker 2: to be running the ball like your Georgia, Because that's
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  Speaker 2: what it looks like when if you looked at all
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  Speaker 2: of this stuff right here, it goes Okay, teams that
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  Speaker 2: run the ball a lot on third and four, third
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  Speaker 2: and five, third and six. Last year, Georgia, right, Alabama, Tennessee,
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  Speaker 2: misssippis C what Mississippi C.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's just not the same personnel.
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  Speaker 2: It's not the same line, it's not the same personnel.
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  Speaker 3: The same coaches.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, now, but now, Josh is a is one
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  Speaker 2: of the top offensive coordinators in the SEC in the country,
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  Speaker 2: right and he's still running it a lot. But it
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  Speaker 2: surprised me that in these situations in close games, he
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  Speaker 2: was going to the run when I think a lot
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  Speaker 2: of fans would think, oh, he's got to be passing
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  Speaker 2: the ball a lot. You know, we got Blake, we
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  Speaker 2: got his offense, we should be throwing the football and
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  Speaker 2: for whatever reason, you know, and you know, maybe there's
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  Speaker 2: a logic behind it. I'm sure there is, but it
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  Speaker 2: just seemed odd to see them caught up with something
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  Speaker 2: like that. And again the rate, Yeah, he ran the
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  Speaker 2: ball a lot for the conference. Okay, at third and four,
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  Speaker 2: five and six. Yep. Actually third and short, third and one,
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  Speaker 2: two and three. Uh, he was number four in the
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  Speaker 2: SEC and run rate seventy seven point one percent.
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  Speaker 1: Now here's the flip side. I actually want him to
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  Speaker 1: do that this year with the six foot four, two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pound QB. You know, last year, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Blake's six feet one ninety and he wasn't a mobile,
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  Speaker 1: you know, threat this guy, I'm hoping let me find
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  Speaker 1: some you know, mojoe in a path, because now you've
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  Speaker 1: got a guy who can fall forward at sixty four
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  Speaker 1: and get your yard.
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  Speaker 2: Right right and and look at look at state though, right,
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  Speaker 2: Cario Taylor, go ahead, Yeah, I just say third, third
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  Speaker 2: and short. The run rate with seventy seven percent third
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  Speaker 2: and short run conversion rate seventy four percent, top five
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  Speaker 2: in the SEC. So third and short, you know, three
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  Speaker 2: and under, they committed to the run and they converted
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  Speaker 2: a lot better than the rest of the SEC. And
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  Speaker 2: so that that third, four, five, and six, that's kind
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  Speaker 2: of the big question mark there. And fourth and medium
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  Speaker 2: pass conversions two out of four in close game situations,
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  Speaker 2: and third medium run conversion is still sixty two percent.
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  Speaker 2: He was running at at a higher rate, but his
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  Speaker 2: conversion rate was still solid in the SEC. I just
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  Speaker 2: I just thought it was interesting that I expected him
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  Speaker 2: to have higher pass to rush ratios when really he
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  Speaker 2: had higher run to pass ratios, and then at some
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  Speaker 2: point it just falls off. I was talking to Elis Johnson,
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  Speaker 2: a former defensive coordinator at I think, yeah, ell, it
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  Speaker 2: has been everywhere. And I think he's got a championship
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  Speaker 2: ringer too. And he always told me, he was like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, one of the things he would do is
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  Speaker 2: map out win the offense stopped calling runs at one
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  Speaker 2: point third, fourth or five, third, six, and he said
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  Speaker 2: it would take you know, a week to do the
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  Speaker 2: previous seven weeks getting ready for the next game. And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, hey, what's this. And there's Alex Golish
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  Speaker 2: last year, third and seven stopped running the ball all together.
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  Speaker 2: So he was it was. It was funny because he's
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  Speaker 2: just laugh at how we can take any offensive coordinator
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  Speaker 2: in the country and give him exactly what he said
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  Speaker 2: to spend weeks on. Yeah they did that. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: mean before this, it took him forever.
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  Speaker 1: A par two on the out of bounds shift brought
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  Speaker 1: to you by the Goldenman Casino. Okay, So Levy, we
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  Speaker 1: went through some of those numbers, John David Baker, you
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  Speaker 1: expect him. I think people don't realize how much Lane
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  Speaker 1: likes to run the football.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, great example. Look at this while we're here. Third
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  Speaker 2: down run rate in the SEC last year. So where
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  Speaker 2: does Levy fall relative to the leaders? So third and
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  Speaker 2: short one to three yards seventy seven percent, number four
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  Speaker 2: in the SEC. Georgia was number one. They ran at
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  Speaker 2: eighty four percent of the time. Alabama was last. They
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  Speaker 2: only ran at fifty four percent.
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  Speaker 3: Of the time. They couldn't run it last year. They
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  Speaker 3: were awful.
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  Speaker 1: Rhich is not Bama like, No, it's it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: second remember life, Bama has run the football, even on
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  Speaker 1: years they didn't do what they wanted. They have run
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  Speaker 1: the football, right, But then look at a third and medium, four,
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  Speaker 1: five and six, Mississippi State seventh in the conference. Ole
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  Speaker 1: Miss led the conference forty six percent. They ran it
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  Speaker 1: on third and four, five and six. Damn, third and seven, eight,
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  Speaker 1: nine and ten Mississippi State tenth in the conference, Conference
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  Speaker 1: leader ole Miss thirty five percent.
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  Speaker 2: How about that third and long? All right, Mississippi State
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  Speaker 2: number seven leader ole Mis. Ole Miss had the big
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  Speaker 2: run to pass ratio in the SEC last year. Who
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  Speaker 2: thunk Trinidad champs in close games? Close games? Mind you?
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  Speaker 2: Mind you? This is this is one score games Lane
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  Speaker 2: and or Charlie. I don't know who the hell it is.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care right it is, but but the Rebels
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  Speaker 2: ran the football and they kept running it in close games.
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  Speaker 2: They were not afraid of running the football, and I
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  Speaker 2: maybe maybe that's the sign of the strength of an
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  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator that is really comfortable in mixing up the
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  Speaker 2: play calls.
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  Speaker 1: So Lane, Lane was willing to run it almost regardless
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  Speaker 1: on third down of if it was seven eight yards,
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  Speaker 1: but if at four, five and six.
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  Speaker 3: He led the conference, So.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I got Trinidad, I got Key one Lacy,
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  Speaker 1: and I think we can we can go get yards.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, And then you look at states conversion ratios. Right,
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  Speaker 2: when they ran on third and short, they converted it
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  Speaker 2: seventy four percent of the time. When they passed on
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  Speaker 2: third and short fifty percent of the time, eleventh in
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  Speaker 2: the SEC, third medium run conversions sixty three percent, pass
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  Speaker 2: conversions thirty nine percent. Okay, and then third and long
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  Speaker 2: seven to ten yards they converted that at thirty four
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  Speaker 2: and a half percent, ninth in the SEC. And then
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  Speaker 2: once it was once it was third plus eleven, it
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  Speaker 2: was just everybody went to go get a beer while
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  Speaker 2: they waited for the punt, right, and it was it
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  Speaker 2: was a seven point seven percent conversion right now. If
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  Speaker 2: nothing worked, they didn't run the ball at that point.
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  Speaker 2: So but you look inside these numbers and you go, okay,
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  Speaker 2: passing on third and short, passing on third and medium,
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  Speaker 2: they were both remarkably worse than running the football, remarkably worse.
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  Speaker 2: And so Jeff would never say it, right, this is
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  Speaker 2: SEC media week, so it's just going to be a
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  Speaker 2: word salad of blah blah blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: But I looking at these numbers, I don't think Jeff
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  Speaker 2: had any faith in his quarterback passing the football last
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  Speaker 2: year Wow, and had a lot more faith in the
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  Speaker 2: run game, and it produced. It produced, And maybe it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't the maybe it was the schemes in terms of
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  Speaker 2: how the run game match with the offensive line or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: But these pass numbers inspire no confidence. I'm gonna look
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  Speaker 2: at this. Fifty percent on third and short, far below
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  Speaker 2: the rush rate, barely under forty percent on on third medium,
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  Speaker 2: and they're running it. They're converting rushes in the sec
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  Speaker 2: third and four, third and five, third and six at
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  Speaker 2: sixty three percent in tight football games. So I think
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  Speaker 2: the best thing to take away from this is Jeff
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  Speaker 2: is doing really well in the running game. All the
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  Speaker 2: running numbers conversion wise situation football close games, they're all
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  Speaker 2: in the top six of the SEC. Everything in the
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  Speaker 2: passing is all on the bottom half, which goes against
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  Speaker 2: everything we would think it should be logical. So maybe
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback just wasn't very good.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and that I think there was something to that.
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  Speaker 1: And Blake didn't run and when he did he didn't
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  Speaker 1: run effectively. And Camaro Taylor is a runner first, and
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  Speaker 1: he's huge at six foot four, two thirty, so it'll
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  Speaker 1: be interesting to see next year at the end of
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  Speaker 1: the year, when Bartwo and I are going over this,
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  Speaker 1: what Jeff's decides to do, right, Like does he stay
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  Speaker 1: with this, you know, play calling right, especially knowing that
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  Speaker 1: now you've got Camrio who can run it with a
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  Speaker 1: tailback he was having success with without AQB, who was
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  Speaker 1: a threat. That's something to think about and look at
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  Speaker 1: as we get into the season.
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  Speaker 2: It is and I think I think one of the
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  Speaker 2: things in our discussions that kind of sparked an idea
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  Speaker 2: in my mind is that look at the end of
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  Speaker 2: September and how what is the run to pass race?
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  Speaker 2: What does the go for it on fourth down ratio?
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  Speaker 2: Like the article I did on comparing Hypel and Goalish,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll get to both those guys in other segments,
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  Speaker 2: but Goalish went for it on fourth down forty five
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  Speaker 2: percent more than Josh did last year.
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  Speaker 3: Forty five percent.
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  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, you know? And so is that indicative
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  Speaker 2: of the type of play in the SEC and the
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  Speaker 2: AAC or is it indicative in the kind of quarterback
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  Speaker 2: that Alex think he thought he had and the kind
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  Speaker 2: of quarterback Josh thought he had, right so so, and
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  Speaker 2: to carry that over to Levy. If we look at
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  Speaker 2: third and short, third and medium, fourth and short, fourth
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  Speaker 2: and medium, is he going for it more or less?
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  Speaker 2: And is he passing or running more or less? That
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  Speaker 2: may be a window. Not just Jeff, but by the
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  Speaker 2: end of the Stember, we can go, oh, look at
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  Speaker 2: fourth down attempts are down passed, the run ratios down.
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  Speaker 2: This guy won't admit it, but he thinks's quarterback isn't
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  Speaker 2: as good as the other guys.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to ask you Ques. You mentioned Georgia
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  Speaker 1: at eighty four percent. Yeah, and people, it's funny that
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  Speaker 1: you threw that out with Kirby smart and I very
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  Speaker 1: much understand why he would do that, but especially pre
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  Speaker 1: before everything got fractured and splintered. I wonder if they're
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  Speaker 1: having the success that they want and if he's actually
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  Speaker 1: running it a little too much, or if you just
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  Speaker 1: have top five talent that you know you lean on
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  Speaker 1: that and you feel like X amount of whatever percentage
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  Speaker 1: of the time, whatever that good number is that you
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  Speaker 1: have devocation line or whatever you know, is that is
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  Speaker 1: that two run heavy? I guess is Well, let's let's
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  Speaker 1: look let's look at Georgia. I mean, Georgia was running
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  Speaker 1: it on third and short and they were converting it
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  Speaker 1: eighty one percent.
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  Speaker 2: Then that's a win, right, which was in the run game,
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  Speaker 2: they had the third best conversion run game behind Tennessee,
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  Speaker 2: who was running the Valentine right in Missouri.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not hearty with Missouri from this from Mississippi.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And what's amazing? Get this? Get this, so third
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  Speaker 2: and short, Alabama's run game converted more, Arkansas's run game
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  Speaker 2: converted way more. Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State.
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  Speaker 2: When you passed on third short, it was fifty percent. Right,
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  Speaker 2: everybody but Oklahoma, Texas, A and M and Vanderbilt had
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  Speaker 2: a better pass conversion rate than a run conversion rate.
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  Speaker 2: Oklahoma didn't have a run game, and am had a quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: and Vanderbilt obviously was fueled by Pavia. Right. And so
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  Speaker 2: I'm starting to think that there might be a window
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  Speaker 2: in the number to what the head coach and the
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  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator think about their quarterback without saying it, right,
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  Speaker 2: how much? How do they utilize them in specific situations
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  Speaker 2: going forward? So yeah, I mean Georgia ran it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: exclusively third and short and they just converted eighty percent.
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  Speaker 2: It was just that simple. But then you go over
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  Speaker 2: to third medium and again eighty percent conversion rate. When
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  Speaker 2: they ran it, they had a run.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Game, and some people didn't think they were as good
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: whatever that means. But I mean, again, that's just all
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the eyeball tests and gut and that's just watching games
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: and drinking beer and eating means and thinking, you know
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: that what we see, you know, we sell X, Y.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: And Z, right, and so I'm really one of the
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: things that I'm excited about is trying to find behaviors
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: inside the numbers that tell us what they think of
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: their players and they're lying.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, and tying that in with either having a dual
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: threat quarterback or a statue right or somewhere in between,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: you know, like Trinidad bounces around, runs around. Now Camrio
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: this year, I mean, he may say he may be
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: able to save Levy's job because of being six foot four,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: two thirty and being able to run the football. We
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: don't know, but it gives Jeff an option for that
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: because he hasn't had one the last two years.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, so we're gonna find out.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Hey, day bar two on the Out of Bounds Show,
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• 20:36
  Speaker 1: bssing about coach effect.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I love the war too.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: I like that you redid coach effect and I love
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  Speaker 1: forever and then when fantasy baseball and war just came football.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: At how about the UH the U instead of the
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  Speaker 2: last ten years, how about the last five years? The
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  Speaker 2: Whiskey sixty one lowest performing program over the last five
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: years in power for football, U U C l A
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  Speaker 2: Mississippi State, No, A lot more talent. Who in the
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: SEC just makes you go.
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  Speaker 3: Auburn, Yeah, Auburn. Gosh, Harson and Freeze just.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: And Freeze was only minus point eighty seven. Harrison just
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: just smoked it.
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  Speaker 1: Harson was just that was It's going to be interesting
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to see if they should have, you know, just pulled
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: the belt tight on the waist and said, you know,
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: DJ is It looks like DJ is really really good
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: on one side of the ball. This is the weirdest
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: thing in the world. Whatever happened to Hugh on offense,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: but because of what he did on this and Liberty
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: were good we're gonna, we're gonna do this one more time.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: But right couldn't do it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Then? Look at so I just pulled the list of
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: I asked that to pull me the list of the
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: biggest boom to bus. Okay, Sadderfield plus three point twenty
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: five games at app State minus point five to six
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: in the Power four. Now at Cincinnati, Billy Plush plus
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: three games at G five. Right now, can consider Uh,
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: some Roll's done it at two places, and he's a
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: plus three point sixty seven. Okay, so Billy's plus three
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: minus one and a half at Florida, huge drop off. Wow,
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: Darryl Hazel really good at ken State, horrible at Perdue
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: at Wells, I mean Perdue. Yeah, I know, I know, brutal.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Other than Joe Tiller, I know, I'm Drew Brees the
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: biggest disappointment so far. I think we'd agree. Uh, and
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I call these guys outliers because we have a lot
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: of eyes. Most guys that are really high at the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: at the group of five, group of six don't crash,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: you just don't. These are really anominalies. Hugh going from
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: plus four at Liberty to better than minus one at
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Auburn is you know, unbelievable Parson, unbelievable, Sadderfield, Billy Napier. Uh.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: And then you know one at another guy who's on
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: the super hot seat right now, dude, how good was
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Mike Norvella Memphis? Right? Yeah, wasn't he just smoking it?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: And then you have Scott Frost. There's number one or
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: up there. Frost was the biggest disaster of all and
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: it's not even close. So his his his time at UCF,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: he was almost plus five games a year. Wow. At
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Nebraska he was worse than minus two day. What what
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: I mean he was basically he was basically Bill Snyder. Yeah,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean the blood read for Okay, here
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: it is for you. You love this. Scott Frost is
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: the poster child for how misleading a single spectacular season
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: could be.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Well, and we see that bar two like Sam Pittman
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: jumped up in one nine games, Yeah.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: And then it was just a matter then they had
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: to re up him.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Look look right here in your backyard, good old Larry Fedora. Yeah, dude,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: he smoked that one season, parladed into North Carolina, had
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: three crappy years, had a huge top twenty five year.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: They renew him for another four and he does the
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: same thing again, right. I mean, you want to talk
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: about one hit wonders, you know.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: A fortune rich, Wow, I love it, Larry Fedora' Southern
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Miss and No. One one big season at each And
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: that's what you got to think about. Like Pittman jumped
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: up in one nine, Beamer jumped up in one nine
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: or ten two years ago. But and eighties automatically renew them. Yeah,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: but you don't have to do that now with that
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: boy jumping You don't have to have a coach where
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: you have to say he's got a five year deal,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: a four year deal.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: But like, would you renew Jeff Levy if.
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: He goes six and six? No, you shouldn't know you,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: I mean maybe maybe you keep him.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: What's the benefit?
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: What's the benefit of reupping it? In the just paperwork? Yeah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: it's not. Well it's money.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the problem is what they had to
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: pay Sam Pittman and what they had to pay some
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: of these other guys that Fedora North Carolina. The problem
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: is when they have that one season, then you re
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: up them and then you fire them.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: Two years later. You're still on the hook for a
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: bunch of dough.
• 25:55
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  Speaker 1: Where do we want to go from here? Let's see
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: war I had a question here?
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Well, there's there's got places we can go, right, I
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: mean we got Golish and Venables and Clark Lee and
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I mean there's just we got a lot and we're
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: going to cover this in shows later too.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: Now, let's I want to look at Old miss at Florida.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Can we do that? Or is that? Is that too
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: far off the beaten path?
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: Oh?
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, I just or do we go ahead and do
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the Ole Miss Lsu Super Deep Dive or do we
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: go Florida since it's the game after we know Bar
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: two is going to be on huh deep Dive tomorrow. Okay,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: all right, m yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, we can deep
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  Speaker 1: dive live.
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  Speaker 3: That'll be good.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: All right, which way we're going? Now, what do you think?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Well, Mississippi State and Ole Miss play Auburn and now
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: it's Goalish. Should we do that and and brame that
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: up because Levee should have a chance to win. I
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: mean the way I see at Auburn sixty percent chance
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to win Mississippi State forty I.
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: Mean that's rough bar two.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: May like run those numbers a week of it, maybe
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: fifty seven to forty three.
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: My point in that is, it's still a winnable game
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: at home for Levey. It's not like Auburn is maoson
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: seven years, eight years ago where they were.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: And it's not like Goalish is really done anything. I mean,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: he had he had a he had he had one
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: good year. He had two negative coach effect years and
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: a positive one. Okay, I mean you know, you you
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: look at his profile and at at South Florida and
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: his first year actually, you know, I'll give it to him.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: His first year he was he was minus point eight four,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: so he's minus one game six and six. Next year
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: he was six and six, minus one game, and last
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: year he was plus two games. But he didn't beat
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: anybody last year that he didn't out recruit. I got
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: you right, you know. And then you take a look
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: at his his ability to generate momentum in a game.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: If he doesn't have peak momentum in a game, he's
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: fifteen fift fifteen, right, And so his career coach effect
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: after three games uh is is plus point twenty four.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: So he is since twenty ten. Remember, with three years now,
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: he's qualified right to be in the in the look
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: at it so far, listeners, he was the head coach
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: at South Florida for the Bulls for three years and
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: basically he was pretty just yeah, not awesome, not terrible.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he is a landed the Auburn job.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: He's forty fifth percentile of all head coaches since twenty ten,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: and his current coach effect ranks him seventy four out
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: of one nineteen thirty eighth percentile, so below average. Right now,
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: his floor is a negative one game, his ceiling is
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: plus two, and so you look at his projected wins. Now,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: his projected wins, it's his first year and the hardest
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: move in college football is G six head coach to
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: power fore head coach. Okay, Okay, the easiest one is
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: the opposite way is Dan going from Florida to UNLB.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Guys that go out of the Power four are usually
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: who they're going to be right out of the gate. Okay.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: The guys going from Alex Golis from South Florida to Auburn. Yeah,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: take away a game, just like that. Take away a
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: game from everybody, John Summer, all take away a game. Okay.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: So you look at Alex and his projection with his
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: with his coach effect is six point eight wins. But
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: we got to take one away for it being the
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: first year. So it's five point eight. Now, the market
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: line is six and a half. That's the over under.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: That's the total on Auburn right now. That was fan
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: duel and or DraftKings as of a couple of weeks ago. Okay,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: so we're at six and a half. The projection is
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: six point eight, so it's right on it. But you
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: take one away for it being his first year. Now
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: you may say, depending on how you analyze it, if
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: this is something you want to bet, you go, you know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: I bringing over a quarterback? You know what did he
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: bring from South Florid. Yeah, Baron Brown start round, right,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: and everybody loves him, right, so maybe that makes up
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: for it, right right, But it still tells me we're
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: straddling between six and seven wins. It projects the most
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: likely number for him is six and six. The next
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: most likely number is five and seven at twenty four percent,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: and then seven and five at nineteen percent. So the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Brown might be worth one more game, But so far
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: in his career we got two down and one up
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: in terms of coach effect, and overall that averages out
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: to be a pretty sene beemersh head coach right now?
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, so there you go. Alex Golish is Yeah,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: he didn't do anything remarkable. Jackson is South Florida.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: He had a really good year laf.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So, by the way, Florida has to go all right,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: so you're talking about summerroll, you're talking about Golish, Florida
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: has to go to Auburn week three. So you got
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: summer all, you got the two G five guys who
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: just made the jump to Power four week three at Auburn,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Florida at Auburn.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And if you look at at Golish, he
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: is let me, look at these numbers here for him.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: There was something that I found that was remarkably interesting
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: with Golish versus Hypel, depending on what point of the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: game it was at. So fourth quarter, so Hypel in
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: the and these are all close games, right third down?
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: Hypel passed one hundred percent of the time on third
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: down and more than eight but then flips it to
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: under sixty seven percent. It's it's the it's the it's
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: the passing. This is what's interesting because we talked about
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: your better offensive coordinators running and passing and so forth,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: and goali Ish is just way more aggressive on fourth down,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: uh and passing on lower yardage downs.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he'll be more conservative in the SEC
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: or maybe Brown's that good, or maybe he'll just continue
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: to like, yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: What if it's Brown right right? So it's it's gonna
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: be interesting again that.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And it also you're talking about the runner passed.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: How much autonomy does the coach give the player to
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: go the line of scrimmage and figure out if the
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: box is loaded or if it's a light box. And
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: you got to you know, a lot lot of times
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: guys have a run in a pass play, and what
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: is that quarterback, Like, what is his tendency to does
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: he want to make the box favor him whichever way
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: that is?
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there's all sorts of.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Variables and things going on, right, But look at the
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: look at the Golish balance though, right, so once you
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: hit look at these look at these numbers though Golish
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: and Hypel. Uh, since we're since we're on Auburn and
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: sticking in the sec third and nine last year rush
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: rate or I should go the other way, I should
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: go pass rate. Okay, Josh passed eighty nine percent of
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: the time on third and nine. Golish only seventy one
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: percent of the time third and ten. Uh, Josh always
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: passed third and eleven. Josh always passed third and twelve.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Josh always passed Goalish. And this is Brown, right, I
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: don't know. I'm guessing Brown can run a third of
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: the time on third and ten, ran the football the
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: quarterback third of the time, third and eleven quarterback third
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: of the time, third and twelve quarterback or a draw.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: So Goalish is a lot less predictable last year than
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Hypel was now. Hypel may have the ultimate eraser in
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: terms of talent, with that running back right. So to me,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: million dollar question is Brown the speed of the SEC?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: How quickly can they adapt Alex in twenty twenty five,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: what's much less predictable and much more aggressive than Joshua was.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Will that carry over into the SEC?
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: And Tennessee fans are frustrated with hypel, which is shut up,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: shut I mean, he's done it.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Getting who you getting? Who you get? Who's better?
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: OC, that's that's that's a great question. Who can you
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: actually go get that's better?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And you're also firing your new defensive coordinator. You paid
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: a fortune two to help win a national title.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Jim Leonard No, No, the guy that you state at State?
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah Knowles, Yeah, Jim, Jim Knowles.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: So you get rid of that too. So you got one.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: So now I don't think he is that great because
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: his defenses are highly complex and it takes about three
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: or four years for everybody to catch up to him.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: And he got a little lucky at Oklahoma State because basically,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: as a starting defensive eleven was six year COVID seniors
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: and they've been in his system forever. So yeah, he
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: had a top five defense. But there's a little special
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: circumstance to put all of that together. But again, when
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: you're getting rid of Hypel the head coach, you're getting
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: rid of Hypel the play caller. And he's a national
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: championship level play caller for his career in my opinion,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: and you have Knowles who's good, not great, but still
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: really good and inside the numbers. One of the things
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: that we have been seeing is it's very very consistent.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: The more turnover you have, the harder it buries your program.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: At some point you have to just shut up and
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: eat it and let the guy cook for a while,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: just to bring some stability, you know, like a Stoops
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: at Kentucky. Look, he did a good job with talent,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: but he never really coached about the talent his entire career, right,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: But they were churning through guys. You just had to say,
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: we've got to hit the brakes and just balance this.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: So that's another thing is we were just talking about
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: what if Jeff goes five and seven, six and six,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: can you get rid of him? Sure you can, but
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: that would make what fifth head coach in seven six years,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: seven years, eight years? Stand right? I mean, we can't
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: get into this cycle.
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: But if you know that, you can't get it done right, you.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: You got to cut the cord. So what's your line
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: in the sand? Six and six minimum?
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I would I think six and six, but but I'm
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I also leaned that he needs to go seven and
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: five to retain his to to get another year. Okay
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: and done anything that should say we should keep him
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: and done anything. Well, No, he's seven and eighteen overall
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: and one in fifteen in conference play. And that's a
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: that's against an interim coach, and Bobby Petrino in Arkansas
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: last year that was you know, So that's that's that's
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: where we are. If I if you were, if you're
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: a head coach and and I was an athletic director
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and I walked in and said to you, bar two,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I want you to fire Pete Kaikowski and hire Will Muschamp.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: What would you.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Say, are you cutting the jack? Yeah? I mean I
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: oh man, that one hurts.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: We're talking about Texas defensive coordinator was fired by Sark
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: and Sark hired Will Muschamp, who's a bigger name, especially
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: in this area. And I think the common fan believes
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: must Champs better than Kaikowski because they can't pronounce his
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: name and they they have it, they didn't know anything
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: about him, or two go ahead, I said, Dave, I
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: really feel strongly that we need to fire pe Kaikowski
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: and hire Wilmas champus DC.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Actually, that is a good little curveball you threw at me,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: because I have the defensive coordinator grades in here since
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  Speaker 2: twenty ten. When did must chav last call plays?
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: Now, that's a good question. Did he call plays for
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: a year or so with Kirby? Prior to that he
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  Speaker 1: was the South Carolina head coach. Prior to that he
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: was the Florida head coach. I think he was the
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Auburn in Texas DC for a window before going on
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: his head coaching deal. Yeah, Texas and Auburn or Auburn
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  Speaker 1: in Texas, and then got the Florida job fired, got
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the South Carolina fired, and then Kirby hired him at Georgia.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: He was in house on the field, and then I
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: think back in house or something.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good question.
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  Speaker 1: I think there was one year with Georgia, but maybe
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: that's just as much Kirby as it is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: must Sham. I mean, obviously you've talked about how Kirby's
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: number one along with Venables and I think kay Kowski
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  Speaker 1: since two thousand.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, kayak Kowski. Look, Pete was with Chris Peterson. A
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: lot of people don't know his background.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: He was with Chris pH at Washington, not Boise, in Washington, Washington.
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  Speaker 3: I knew he was there at Washington.
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  Speaker 2: And he got to Washington and that defense that there's
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: a reason the defense went to that were incredible. The
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: d and the players drafted were incredible. H And he
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: did it everywhere, right, I mean, it was it was.
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  Speaker 2: It was at Boise, it was at Washington, and I've
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  Speaker 2: always felt I remember, I remember seeing his numbers and
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: it reminded me of Dave Randa. And when Dave Randa
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: went to l s U, I was like, Okay, Dave
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  Speaker 2: Randa is going to leave with the national title at
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: LSU because of l s u's talent. Sure, right, I
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: mean it's just naturally there in the state and at
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: that program. Uh. And Dave was able to do that,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: not so much head coach, but good DC, great DC.
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  Speaker 2: And kayak Kowski when he went to Texas, I'm like, wow,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: is he good enough to overcome Sark being an average
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: head coach? Okay? Because oh, while we're on the subject
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: of coach effect Steve Sarkisian eleven seasons, zero point zero
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  Speaker 2: six coach effects.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, of course you.
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  Speaker 2: Want to talk about you want to Actually, Steve and
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: and and Shane Beemer look almost the same on paper
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: in terms of their effect on time.
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  Speaker 1: So basically Start coached at Washington Southern Callan Texas, where
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: he had the better talent majority of the time, and
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: he doesn't take advantage of it.
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  Speaker 2: No, in fact, without the last couple of years at Texas,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: which has been really good years, right, he's he's he's
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: like minus one. He's bad, just not good at all.
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  Speaker 2: And and I did I thought I thought kay Kowski
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: could overcome him, and kay Kowski was carrying it. This
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: is this is a Texas is a program that has
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: regressed its offensive scoring efficiency every year for three years.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: And the defense is what has been winning football games
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, at least on paper. And but then
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Steve came out and said, oh, I'm having to do
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: too much running the offense and the defense or something
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: like that. Oh that's why he did say, right, he
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: totally threw him under the bus. And then I was like, oh,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, here's your opportunity.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, that would have been that would have been filthy.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: It would have been Lincoln waving glorious. But then he
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: goes out Southern hires.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Gary Patterson has been falling naked through broken glass for
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: ten years trying to get a job and finally got
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: somebody to buy.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Gary Patterson, who is at TCU forever, is back as
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: a DC for Lincoln Riley, and kait Kowski's at the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: Beach and nobody.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: I don't think kait Kowski's in the NFL, no kidding, yep, yeah,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: yeah he is. I think he is in. I think
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: he's at Arizona, allrights, just some some random one. Well,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at the defensive coordinator Simmons at SMU
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: went to be a linebacker the Cowboys and that guy
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: was wicked good too. But Pete Kayitekowski, uh, excellent, excellent
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: defensive coordinator did it? I mean he posted top five
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: scoring efficiency defense is at Boise, at Washington and at Texas.
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  Speaker 2: I'd love to know how many guys have done it
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: three different places.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Will must Shaff has it