Latest / Buddhistisches Tor Berlin Podcast / Between Twin Sala Trees
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- 0:09Well, very warm welcome from me as well.
- 0:11My name is Dama Sara, I'm part of the team here.
- 0:14It's Saturday class, so very warm welcome to you if this is
- 0:18your first time here at the centre.
- 0:20So in the second-half now we usually have a talk or some some
- 0:25form of input or it's usually a talk.
- 0:28So today I will talk a little bit about Pari Nirvana, which is
- 0:36like, no one knows what that means, So it's a great title for
- 0:38a talk. He knows.
- 0:40He knows. Yeah.
- 0:41Great. Lahit Ratna knows.
- 0:47It's a Buddhist inside joke. Sorry.
- 0:51Yeah. Yeah.
- 0:55Again, sorry, inside jokes here. So Pari Nirvana, Well, to put it
- 1:01very, very simply, it's basically means, well, to put it
- 1:07in very plain terms, the death of the Buddha.
- 1:09Yeah. So this is the Buddha's,
- 1:10Buddha's death day. So next weekend on Sunday, we
- 1:15will celebrate Pari Nirvana Day. Pari Nirvana Day.
- 1:19So that's so we commemorate the the death of the Buddha.
- 1:23Yeah. So in kind of in this Buddhist
- 1:25centre, we've got all sorts of different festival day is
- 1:28happening and you know, they, they tend to, you know,
- 1:33celebrate different, different events in the life story of the
- 1:36Buddha. You know, we've got the
- 1:38Enlightenment of the Buddha. We've got the, the day that's
- 1:41where it's the first time he was teaching to people.
- 1:45And that's the day where, you know, the Sangha was forming.
- 1:48And so one of them is obviously also, well, the death of the
- 1:52Buddha. The Buddha being born a human
- 1:55being. Well, he had to die one day as
- 1:58well. But with the Buddha, it's a bit
- 2:01interesting. Yeah.
- 2:01Because the whole point of a Buddha is that he's not like us.
- 2:06Yeah. That he's not like a normal
- 2:08human being. So you could say his body died,
- 2:14but whatever happened to his consciousness?
- 2:15Well, we don't know. We can only know once we're
- 2:20enlightened. Yeah.
- 2:20So sometimes, sometimes you try to avoid this terminology of the
- 2:25death of the Buddha because it's a bit, it's a bit spooky.
- 2:28Yeah. It's a bit mysterious what
- 2:29actually happened there. It's the word pari, Nirvana, you
- 2:35know, has the word Nirvana in there.
- 2:37So, you know, like enlightenment, like awakening.
- 2:42And pari sort of means something like can either mean something
- 2:45like ultimate enlightenment, the ultimate awakening, or it can
- 2:52mean something like without remainder.
- 2:54Yeah. So he's, he was fully
- 2:56enlightened without remainder. I don't really want to go too
- 3:00much into the details of that. That's just for you.
- 3:02If you're really into Buddhist philosophy, for the few nerds
- 3:07and geeks among you like myself, that just basically you could
- 3:11say that, you know, he enlightenment being that
- 3:15ultimate transformation of mind, that ultimate transformation of
- 3:19consciousness. You know, his physical body was
- 3:22still, you know, sort of part of the world.
- 3:24So with, with, with that, with his sort of the death of his
- 3:27physical body, he finally fully gained ultimate enlightenment.
- 3:31You could say again, this is all theories.
- 3:36It's all just sort of dictionary definitions.
- 3:39It's quite mysterious. Who knows what that actually
- 3:42means. Yeah, we'll we'll only know once
- 3:44we're there ourselves. So that's the talk.
- 3:48Thank you very much. I don't have anything more to
- 3:52say about that. We can all go home now and eat
- 3:55cake. But in a way, the only thing
- 4:04what I want to talk about today is actually sort of what
- 4:07happened before that. So what I would like to do today
- 4:12is just share a few stories of the Buddhist life just just
- 4:17shortly previous to his, well, final passing.
- 4:20Yeah, his, his death, the death of his body.
- 4:27Because the there's a very long text, a very long teaching in
- 4:34the scriptures, the Pali Canon called the Maha Pari Nibhana
- 4:38Suta. So it's sort of the, you know,
- 4:40the greater story of, of the last days of the Buddha.
- 4:44And it's, I think it's the longest chapter, the longest
- 4:48teaching in the Poly cannon. It's like the longest text we
- 4:51have. So that that shows you how
- 4:54important it was to people that kept, you know, that kept sort
- 4:56of adding stories and that kept kind of really remembering what
- 4:59happened there. So it's a lovely text.
- 5:02Yeah, it's a it's a lovely, lovely text.
- 5:05So if you want to, if you want to have a like a really good,
- 5:09you know, foundational reading of Buddhism, you could just be
- 5:13reading that. Yeah.
- 5:14Because it's got everything in there.
- 5:15It's got Buddhist teachings in there.
- 5:17It's got lovely, funny stories in there, lovely humor, you
- 5:22know, solemn passages, all sorts of different things.
- 5:26So it's quite long. So I hope I can not make this
- 5:32too long, but I kind of chose sort of two to three stories,
- 5:36which really. Well, they highlight what what
- 5:41those last days must have been like.
- 5:43And they also highlight what Buddhism is about.
- 5:45Yeah. And they really highlight
- 5:48Buddhism. Some of those stories really
- 5:49highlight what Buddhist teaching is essentially about.
- 5:53And some of those stories that don't necessarily contain much
- 5:57teaching, but they give you, like, a really lovely flavor of
- 6:00the spirit, you know, of how the communication was, how the
- 6:04people live together, what being a Buddhist at the time must have
- 6:07meant. Yeah.
- 6:09So. So that's why I've chosen them.
- 6:14Yeah. So that's two or three stories.
- 6:17Let's see how we go. And.
- 6:23Well, we've already heard a few of those stories, so I'm not
- 6:26going to go into them too much. We've heard a few stories a few
- 6:28weeks ago when Sangadharshani was talking about Tara Chitta,
- 6:32who's an autumn member in our movement, who died recently.
- 6:35And she was kind of also then sharing a few stories from that,
- 6:38sort of from, from the, from the last days of the Buddha.
- 6:41So, so we heard those legends of, you know, when the Buddha
- 6:46was about to die, when he was lying down on his final
- 6:49deathbed, he was lying beneath twin Sal trees, Sala trees.
- 6:56These are Indian trees, apparently, that you have in
- 6:59India. I've never seen one,
- 7:01unfortunately. It's supposed to be quite
- 7:04beautiful. And in the stories it said so.
- 7:07This is what Sangadashini told us in the story.
- 7:09It said that even though those trees, even though they weren't
- 7:14in season, they started blooming and flowers were falling down on
- 7:19the Buddha and raining down on the Buddha.
- 7:21And then the Buddha said, you know, and there's all sorts of
- 7:24deities have come and, you know, we are revering the Buddha.
- 7:30So now whether or not you take that literally is up to you.
- 7:33And so maybe that did happen. Maybe that is just really
- 7:36evocative of the kind of atmosphere that was around.
- 7:39Yeah. Among the people.
- 7:40So, you know, his disciples were gathered, his, you know, the
- 7:44monks, the nuns, the lay people, even people who weren't
- 7:48Buddhists who were just around in the town at the time, you
- 7:51know, they came. So there must have been that
- 7:53atmosphere of, you know, the Buddha being 80 years old at the
- 7:56time, You know, an old man spent his life teaching people his
- 8:00life wandering around in the jungles from town to town,
- 8:05teaching, giving his life to helping people develop, helping
- 8:08people transform their consciousness.
- 8:12So it must have been that sort of solemn but joyful, graceful
- 8:16atmosphere, I imagine. So it must have been as though,
- 8:20you know, it was this sort of rain of blessings, this rain of
- 8:24flower petals raining down. But maybe it did happen.
- 8:27Maybe it happened literally like that.
- 8:30Who knows What happens when a Buddha dies?
- 8:34It's up to you. You can choose.
- 8:38And we've also, she's also shared the story of shortly
- 8:41before that, when the Buddha started to get quite I'll and
- 8:48because he, he, he actually died of food poisoning.
- 8:50And he, he unfortunately ate a meal that had gone off, which
- 8:56was offered to him. He wasn't poisoned in that way.
- 9:00He was, it was, it was an accident basically.
- 9:03But him, him being AT obviously his body wasn't, you know, up to
- 9:07up to that anymore. We also heard this lovely story
- 9:11of the Buddha lying down, already in pain, and Ananda his
- 9:18his attendant for 20 years, who also happened to be his cousins
- 9:21over the last 20 years. Ananda was his attendant.
- 9:24He, you know, walked wherever the Buddha walked.
- 9:28He would listen to whatever the Buddha said, and he would
- 9:31memorize whatever the Buddha was teaching.
- 9:34Yeah. So it was Ananda's job to listen
- 9:37to what the Buddha said so that he could memorize it and repeat
- 9:40it to others. Yeah.
- 9:43And then that that's this lovely story where the Buddha is quite
- 9:46ill and Ananda sort of has a moment of grief.
- 9:51Ananda isn't enlightened yet, so he's still sad.
- 9:55And the bullet tells him off and said, you know, and sort of
- 9:58says, you know, well, I told you everything's impermanent.
- 10:00I told you attachment leads to suffering.
- 10:03So, you know, don't cry for me, Argentina.
- 10:10No, sorry. I'm having a musical phase at
- 10:13the moment. Stop that.
- 10:21So, so there's, there's this lovely moment where the, where
- 10:23Ananda is just sort of leaning against the doorpost and it's
- 10:26sort of, it's really weeping. And it's just, it's just really
- 10:28sad that the Buddha is quite sick and, you know, clearly is
- 10:31going to die or it's not going to live for much longer.
- 10:35And the only thing sort of Ananda can say, you know, how
- 10:39sad it is that the Buddha is dying.
- 10:41And he calls the Buddha he who was so kind, you know, he who
- 10:44was so kind. This is this is what Ananda has
- 10:48to say about the Buddha. And you know, in the talk about
- 10:56about the part Nirvana de Sang Raksha, the founder of our
- 11:00order, he really points out isn't that interesting that, you
- 11:03know, Anand has been with a Buddha for 20 years listening to
- 11:07every teaching and some of those teachings can be quite, you
- 11:11know, sort of metaphysical or can be quite sort of, you know,
- 11:14philosophically suit and, you know, quite sort of mind
- 11:17blowing. The only thing that springs to
- 11:22mind for Anand is the Buddha's kindness.
- 11:24Yeah. The Buddha's kindness with which
- 11:26he communicated those teachings, you know, the the kindness that
- 11:32that the Buddha had towards people even when he was
- 11:35communicating profound truths to him.
- 11:37Yeah. So anyway, those two stories
- 11:42we've heard from Sanga Dashni a while ago, you know, where you
- 11:45can already see that sort of atmosphere, the atmosphere that
- 11:48must have lingered for the last few days of the Buddha's life.
- 11:52So we know that the Buddha must have been a very kind man, very
- 11:57kind person. And we've, we've heard the
- 12:00whole, you know, that sort of almost legendary supernatural
- 12:04phenomenon of those, you know, of the, of the untimely flowers
- 12:09raining down on him from the trees.
- 12:13OK, but now to my stories. So I've picked, well, three
- 12:18really. I won't, I won't go into them
- 12:22too much. And we'll focus a bit more on
- 12:24the on the third one. The first one is actually
- 12:31happens quite a long time before the Buddha actually gets sick.
- 12:37Yeah. So he's already an old man, but
- 12:40there's sort of no signs yet of his disease.
- 12:45And it's actually the very beginning of the suta.
- 12:49So this is how the SUTA starts. And I just want to, I wasn't
- 12:53actually going to talk about this one when I prepared the
- 12:55talk, but I saw this and I thought, oh, this is actually
- 12:57really good. I really like this particular
- 12:59teaching because it's actually, it's very fitting to our times,
- 13:04I think. So what happened is so the, the,
- 13:10the, all these suttas, these teachings, they always start
- 13:15with telling us where the Buddha lived at the time, where he was
- 13:18staying. And at this time the Buddha is
- 13:20staying at Rajagaha, which is called the Vultures Peak
- 13:23mountain, which is which You can actually go there.
- 13:28You can go, you can visit that place.
- 13:31It's not, it's not too far from Botgaya, from where the Buddha
- 13:34gained enlightenment. You it's there's, there's
- 13:36actually a place called Rajagaha.
- 13:39What's it called these days? It's remember, it has a slightly
- 13:43different name these days, Small town.
- 13:46I went there last year. It was quite, it was very
- 13:47beautiful. You can go up the mountain that
- 13:51that Vulture's peak where the Buddha is supposed to have
- 13:54stayed and taught quite a few and where he's supposed to have
- 13:58stayed in caves as well to meditate.
- 14:00It's this lovely peaceful atmosphere there.
- 14:03It's not very high, it's not very tall mountain at all, but
- 14:06it's a sort of sort of singular peak in a bit of a valley.
- 14:10Yeah, it's really lovely. It's also weirdly not very
- 14:15crowded. Yeah.
- 14:16There's loads of tourists at the bottom of the mountain because
- 14:18they all go up to this like Japanese pagoda that the
- 14:21Japanese build up there, which is a bit, I mean, I'm really
- 14:23into Japan, but that one was a miss.
- 14:25It's actually not very, not very beautiful.
- 14:30Sorry, anyone's part of that. But it's it's it's lovely.
- 14:35It's it's, it's just a lovely space.
- 14:37So he was staying there. And then he, he's getting
- 14:40visited by a Brahman called Vasakara.
- 14:45Yeah. Vasakara.
- 14:46He's a Brahman, which means that he was a sort of religious
- 14:49priest, a minister, high caste. And he was sent by a king.
- 14:53Yeah. So Vasakara was sent by the king
- 14:56Ajata Satu. Yeah.
- 14:58Ajata Satu. He was a king of a local Kingdom
- 15:01called Makada, which was one of the main kingdoms which kept
- 15:04expanding. Then they kept wanting to grow
- 15:07their influence. And King Ajatasatu thought to
- 15:12himself that he wants to invade. He wants to invade the veggies.
- 15:18Yeah. So the veggies are are a clan
- 15:20next to next to Magadah. And he thinks, well, he thinks
- 15:24to himself, I shall wipe out these veggies so mighty and
- 15:28powerful. I shall destroy them and like
- 15:30ruin and devastation upon them. And he thinks to himself, well,
- 15:34he's not quite sure if it'll it'll work.
- 15:36So he sends his the Brahman Basakhara to the Buddha.
- 15:41Yeah, to ask him will he be successful.
- 15:45I think the king hasn't quite understood what a Buddha is.
- 15:48He sort of thinks he's some sort of Oracle or something.
- 15:52But he but he knows that sort of enlightened ones, spiritual
- 15:57people, they never lie. Yeah, so he says so he says to
- 16:01Vasakara, remember well how the Buddha answers and tell it to me
- 16:04for realized ones say nothing that is not so.
- 16:07And so he knows that that he'll he'll get the truth, whatever it
- 16:10might be. OK, so then the then Vasakara
- 16:16gets to the Buddha and, you know, asks him the question, you
- 16:22know, Magadha wants to invade the Vajis.
- 16:25And will that be, will that be successful?
- 16:29Will that be, is that a good idea?
- 16:33Well, you know, the Buddha is like, like the first thing we
- 16:35learn about Buddhism is that, you know, the first precept is
- 16:38about not killing and not harming others.
- 16:40So I don't know what they expected in asking the Buddha.
- 16:43They didn't have social media. So I guess they didn't know what
- 16:45Buddhism was at the time. It's quite interesting the way
- 16:49the Buddha then answers. So the Buddha is sitting there.
- 16:52Ananda, who we've heard about before, is standing behind him,
- 16:57fanning him, actually giving him some, some nice air.
- 17:01So the Buddha doesn't reply directly.
- 17:03He doesn't give the truth directly to what's his name,
- 17:07Vasakara, but he's talking to Ananda behind him.
- 17:11So he says to Anandam, Ananda, have you heard that the veggies
- 17:15meet frequently and have many meetings?
- 17:19Ananda replied. I have heard that, Sir, as long
- 17:22as the veggies meet frequently and have many meetings, they can
- 17:26expect growth, not decline. Ananda, have you heard that the
- 17:31budgies meet in harmony, leave in harmony and carry on their
- 17:35business in harmony? I have heard that, Sir, as long
- 17:40as the budgies meet in harmony, leave in harmony, and carry on
- 17:44their business in harmony, they can expect growth and not
- 17:48decline, Ananda. Have you heard that the budgies
- 17:53don't make new decrees or abolish existing decrees, but
- 17:57precede having undertaken the ancient virgin traditions as
- 18:00they have been decreed? I have heard that, Sir, as long
- 18:05as the budgies don't make new decrees or abolish existing
- 18:08decrees, but precede having undertaken the ancient virgin
- 18:11traditions as they have been decreed, they can expect growth,
- 18:15not decline. Ananda, have you heard that the
- 18:20veggies honor, respect, esteem, and venerate virgin elders and
- 18:25think them worth listening to? I have heard that, Sir, as long
- 18:31as the veggies honor, respect, esteem, and venerate virgin
- 18:35elders and think them worth listening to, they can expect
- 18:39growth, not decline, and so on. He goes into a few more of
- 18:45those, but I just wanted to give you these.
- 18:49So it's quite interesting, isn't it?
- 18:51Especially I find the first one to be particularly interesting.
- 18:58He says that as long as the budgies meet frequently and have
- 19:00many meetings, they can expect growth, not decline.
- 19:04So you can see he's he's he's sort of saying, well, you know,
- 19:10the Budgians, you know, they have a they have a functioning
- 19:13society, basically. Yeah, they have a functioning
- 19:16society, meaning they meet regularly and they actually meet
- 19:20each other. You know, they try to carry out
- 19:24their business and harmony and they don't sort of, there's no
- 19:29doubt around how society works around them.
- 19:31Yeah, it's a sort of, it's a unified society.
- 19:33And they know that this is what's meant with the decrease.
- 19:36They don't abolish existing decrees.
- 19:38I don't think it means, I don't think the Buddha.
- 19:40Well, that's my interpretation. I don't think the Buddha means,
- 19:43you know, they just sort of blindly follow whatever old
- 19:46tradition they have. But it's about, well, what
- 19:49works, you know, let's keep what works and let's, let's not get
- 19:52bored with, you know, things that work sometimes.
- 19:56Sometimes we do have this habit, don't we?
- 19:57We sort of invent new ways of doing just because we got a bit
- 20:01bored with the old ways when actually there are things that
- 20:04still work that we can keep with.
- 20:07And they honor and respect the elders and think them worth
- 20:11listening to. So the Vajian, they, they, you
- 20:16know, they, they think that, you know, people who've lived a long
- 20:19life have something to say. We can listen to them.
- 20:22We respect them and care for them.
- 20:25Yes. So he just, he just finished his
- 20:26thing. Then the Buddha said to Vasakara
- 20:28Brahman. This one time I was staying near
- 20:30Vasali at the Sarandada shrine. There I taught the Vajis these 7
- 20:35principles that prevent decline. As long as these 7 principles
- 20:39that prevent decline last among the Vajis, and as long as the
- 20:43Vajis are seen following them, they can expect growth, not
- 20:47decline. When the Buddha had spoken,
- 20:49Vasakara said to him, Worthy go to mount.
- 20:52If the Vajis follow even a single one of these principles,
- 20:55they can expect growth, not decline.
- 20:58How much more so all 7. King and Janta Sato cannot
- 21:03defeat the Vajis in war unless by bribery or by sowing
- 21:07dissension. Well, now where the Gautama I
- 21:10must go. I have many duties and much to
- 21:12do. And then the Buddha just says
- 21:15please Brahman go at your convenience, which I think he
- 21:18has a sort of it's AI don't know.
- 21:20I find it quite ironic. So isn't that interesting.
- 21:23So there's actually a commentary tradition of of of the Sutter
- 21:29which then says that King Ajata said to heard that and then he
- 21:32actually did start to undermine the budgies by sowing descent
- 21:36and getting them not to follow those 7 principles.
- 21:39And then he conquered them. And then afterwards the Buddha
- 21:43immediately calls together his order, the monks and nuns.
- 21:47I think in this case it's the monks, but obviously it applies
- 21:49to the nuns as well. And then applies those 7
- 21:53principles to the spiritual community as well.
- 21:55Yeah. So the first one being meeting
- 21:57regularly at a large numbers. This is one of those principles
- 22:01which, you know, prevents decline and we can expect
- 22:05growth. And I think this is something
- 22:08that we that I've been thinking about quite a lot recently.
- 22:13You know, also in terms of, well, just sort of our state of
- 22:18the world in general, it's I think we are living in a world
- 22:22where we think we are more connected than ever when
- 22:26actually we are more isolated than ever.
- 22:28You know, it's my opinion, you know, with, with sort of it's
- 22:33very easy to stay at home the whole day and be in
- 22:37communication with all sorts of people, get information from all
- 22:40sorts of sides, get all sorts of input without ever having seen a
- 22:45single person, flesh to flesh. Yeah, without ever having seen a
- 22:50human being. Some people can, you know, with
- 22:54Home Office and all that, we can sort of be in isolation for
- 22:57weeks on end if you wanted to be.
- 23:00And yet we have this illusion of being in connection, being in
- 23:03contact with people. So isn't that interesting that
- 23:07the first thing the Buddha says is, well, we actually ought to
- 23:10meet. We actually ought to come
- 23:12together and not just one-on-one, but actually in a
- 23:16sort of bigger, well, just sort of ask people together.
- 23:19Yeah, like us here on a Saturday.
- 23:21That's why I really like those Saturdays because you know,
- 23:24when, what context do we actually meet in a large number
- 23:28like that with other people without, you know, and actually
- 23:33talk to each other. You know, I guess we could,
- 23:35could go to the cinema or the concert or whatever, but you
- 23:38know, there isn't much sort of would be lovely if there was,
- 23:40but there isn't much sort of communication happening.
- 23:42So communication, actual real human connection is important
- 23:48because what happens if you meet regularly and in large numbers
- 23:52with your community? It's very difficult to sustain
- 23:56stories about other people. And it's very easy to have a
- 24:00story or a box you put people in if you just sort of scrolling
- 24:04through social media. But if you if you keep coming
- 24:09into a room with people, it's very difficult to actually
- 24:14sustain a fixed image about someone.
- 24:17Eventually we will have to drop that image.
- 24:19We will have to drop that story. We will have to start seeing
- 24:22because we will see. We will start seeing people in
- 24:24all their different shades and particularities, and very, very
- 24:31difficult to just see them as one thing.
- 24:35Now, this is one of the reasons why, you know, sort of in our
- 24:38community, people, you know, some people decide to live
- 24:40together. Some people decide to work
- 24:42together because that actual human connection in all parts of
- 24:48life is it's just really important for, well, for letting
- 24:52go of that kind of wrong perception of people.
- 24:56Yeah, it is actually conducive in the long term, maybe not
- 25:01immediately, to matter and friendliness.
- 25:05Well, if you start living with people initially, you think your
- 25:08matter has gone out of the window and you actually start
- 25:12hating people and you realize, oh, there's actually a lot of
- 25:14hate there. But that's good.
- 25:17Yeah, that's a good thing. Because if we just, if you just
- 25:21all, you know, decided to isolate ourselves and be alone
- 25:24where we would only have lukewarm emotions, yeah, we
- 25:27wouldn't be able to actually know what we're working with.
- 25:31So to have something that you know, to have actually other
- 25:34people in the way, it's really helpful to, well, get in touch
- 25:38with our emotions first so that we can then refine them and turn
- 25:42them into love. Yeah.
- 25:43I mean, I noticed that I've been living in community now for I
- 25:48think 8 years now in different communities with Buddhist
- 25:50communities, with other people, varying different
- 25:54constellations. I'm working for the Buddhist
- 25:58Centre now for like five years or something, something like
- 26:03that feels longer. You know, we, we work together
- 26:09in teams. There's a lot of sort of
- 26:11teamwork here. You know, these classes are let
- 26:13in teams, you know, our, our, our, you know, management team.
- 26:16We have a team sort of try to have everything on a team basis.
- 26:21And I can tell you this has been one of the most challenging time
- 26:23of my life. Yeah, most transformative time
- 26:27of my life because before that, when I had a job, I would
- 26:31usually just work, you know, in a sort of small office and I
- 26:33would just sort of scan stuff or whatever.
- 26:37Very difficult to get your emotions flowing.
- 26:39Yeah. Very difficult to get your, you
- 26:42know, not talk, not even talking about hatred, just any sort of
- 26:45emotion flowing. Very difficult.
- 26:47But being a team with people where you're trying to get
- 26:51something to work, you have to transform.
- 26:54Yeah. Otherwise you'll explode.
- 26:56That's how I felt. Yeah.
- 26:59So this, I think this is the point of the of the Buddha.
- 27:02He is trying to say, well, if we want to.
- 27:05So he's making a commentary about society, but also about
- 27:08spiritual communities. If we want to not decline but
- 27:11grow, we'll have to start to meet.
- 27:14Yeah, we will have to actually meet up.
- 27:17We'll have to be together. You know, it doesn't matter if
- 27:22we are, if we are, you know, not feeling like it doesn't matter
- 27:25whether we, you know, have strong reactions and all that,
- 27:29you know. And ideally then the second
- 27:31thing is meeting in harmony, leaving in harmony.
- 27:33Carry on their business in harmony.
- 27:35Well, that's a tall order. That's quite a tall ask.
- 27:39But that should be the ideal. Yeah.
- 27:42And if we can't do that, if we can't meet in harmony, if you
- 27:45can't actually be with one another in harmony, well, then
- 27:50it's up to us again. Yeah.
- 27:53Practicing meta, practicing friendliness, trying to
- 27:56establish something of harmony or actually working towards
- 28:00harmony. I mean, harmony is a bit of a it
- 28:05can be a bit of a red herrings of the word can be a bit of a
- 28:10sort of funky word that's thrown around.
- 28:13Harmony doesn't mean you that on the surface level everything's
- 28:17fine and you push everything under a rug.
- 28:19That's not harmony. Harmony means, I think in my
- 28:24experience, it comes about when you learn to relax around other
- 28:29people. You know, when you learn to just
- 28:33be with others no matter what's there.
- 28:35Yeah. No matter what's happening with
- 28:37them. And when you're courageous
- 28:40enough to, well, say, if you say things, say things to others,
- 28:48and if you take responsibility for your own actions.
- 28:51Yeah. My problem is usually being a
- 28:53bit too outspoken. I usually sort of have to sort
- 28:57of catch my words again. But what I've learned is that
- 29:00harmony comes, you know, not by not saying those things, but by
- 29:04then actually taking responsibility for your own
- 29:08actions. Responsibility being one of
- 29:10those big, big, big things in Buddhism.
- 29:17OK, so that's the first story talked a bit more about that
- 29:20than I wanted, so I'll keep the other two a bit shorter.
- 29:25Now the second story is actually my favorite.
- 29:27It's really short and it's not really a story at all, but it's
- 29:30just, I don't know. It's just, it's almost just one
- 29:33little paragraph, but I find it really sweet.
- 29:37So this is a bit later. So the Buddha is actually don't
- 29:40know where he is. He's travelling around in
- 29:42Bisali, wherever that is, somewhere in India.
- 29:49And he, you know, by the time he that the Buddha was 80, he was
- 29:54obviously, you know, he had been teaching for most of his life.
- 29:57So he gained enlightenment, according to tradition, around
- 30:00the age of 35. Some traditions say 25, but the
- 30:04mainstream tradition says 35. And so by the time that he's 80,
- 30:11he's already fairly well known. Yeah.
- 30:13And religious people at the time in India were quite sort of in.
- 30:17Yeah. So the Buddha wasn't the only
- 30:19religious person at the time. There was all sorts of other
- 30:22teachers around. And people were, even if they
- 30:25weren't Buddhist, they were quite fond of religious teachers
- 30:28because they, you know, they gave instructions, they gave
- 30:32things to ponder about. They gave interesting advice.
- 30:40So this is about Amber Pali, the courtesan.
- 30:43She's courtesan. Courtesan.
- 30:47English is a difficult language because then I don't know.
- 30:51It's like with pronunciations. I'd sometimes ask my friends
- 30:54and, you know, try to get the pronunciation right.
- 30:56But then an Australian person comes along.
- 30:58It's like, no, that's not how we say it.
- 31:01Make up your. That happened to me a few times.
- 31:08So Ambapali, the courtesan, is that correct?
- 31:11Court the Sun. OK, Yeah, Yeah.
- 31:17So she had heard that the Buddha had arrived and that he was
- 31:20staying in her mango Grove. So she's she owns the mango
- 31:23Grove, which is which is also meant to be quite lovely, lovely
- 31:26places to stay and in order for. And then she was really
- 31:32interested. So she really wanted to meet the
- 31:33Buddha. So she then the story goes, she
- 31:36had the finest carriages harnessed.
- 31:39Yeah, so she's really doing herself up.
- 31:41And she mounted a fine carriage and along with other fine
- 31:44carriages, set out from Vesali for her own park.
- 31:47She went by carriage as far as the terrain allowed, then
- 31:50descended and approached the Buddha on foot.
- 31:53She bowed and sat down to one side.
- 31:56The Buddha educated, encouraged, fired up and inspired her with a
- 32:02Dumber talk. And then because she was so
- 32:06inspired, she said to the Buddha, Sir, may the Buddha
- 32:09together with the mendicant sanga.
- 32:11So the, the monks, please accept tomorrow's meal from me.
- 32:15Yeah, that was that was usual at the time that you, that, you
- 32:18know, the, the the monks announced they would only accept
- 32:20food if it was offered to them. Yeah.
- 32:22So there was a tradition of offering, you know, because they
- 32:25were all wonderers. Yeah.
- 32:26They were home homeless Wanderers.
- 32:31The Buddha consented with silence.
- 32:33Then, knowing that the Buddha had consented, Ambapali got up
- 32:36from her seat, bowed and respectfully circled the Buddha,
- 32:39keeping him on her ride before leaving.
- 32:42That's also traditional, but now she gets competition.
- 32:47The lechevies of Thessali, so that's.
- 32:49A group of people also heard that the Buddha had arrived and
- 32:53was staying in Ambapali's mango Grove.
- 32:56They had the finest carriages harnessed, then they mounted a
- 33:00fine carriage and along with other fine carriages set out
- 33:03from Vesali. And those literaries, they're
- 33:06sort of young, young people. Yeah, sort of young, young guys.
- 33:09I think some of the literaries were in blue of blue colour,
- 33:13clad in blue, adorned with blue, and some were similarly colored
- 33:18in yellow, of yellow colour, clad in yellow, adorned with
- 33:22yellow. And some of them were red of red
- 33:25colour, clad in red, adorned with red.
- 33:28And some of them were wearing white of blue color, white
- 33:31color, clad in white and to dawn with white.
- 33:34So they were all sort of wearing the latest fashions of of
- 33:37Vasali, really doing doing themselves up, really wearing
- 33:42the sort of the latest trends of Vasali fashion.
- 33:48But like Fashion Week here sometimes.
- 33:52So then Amber Parley, the courtesan, collided with those
- 33:55literary ewes on the way, axle to axle, wheel to reel, yoke to
- 33:59yoke. So they bumped into each other,
- 34:02the literary said to her, and they're very rude.
- 34:06What you wench on the Pali are you doing colliding with us,
- 34:10axle to axle, wheel to reel, yoke to yoke?
- 34:14Well, masters, it's because I've invited the Buddha for
- 34:17tomorrow's meal together with the mendicant sanga wench, give
- 34:22us that meal for 100,000. So they want to invite the
- 34:25Buddha as well. Masters, even if you were to
- 34:28give me Vasali with her provinces, I still wouldn't give
- 34:31that meal to you. So she's insisting and she
- 34:34really wants to offer, you know, to put out a meal because, you
- 34:37know, he's an enlightened person.
- 34:38And it's a lot of, it gives you a lot of merit if you can offer
- 34:41food to people who practice the religious life.
- 34:45So then, you know, the literary is being really young and naive
- 34:48and arrogant. Snap their fingers saying we've
- 34:51been beaten by the auntie. Sometimes, sometimes in some
- 34:55translations, it's it's the mango Las called the mango.
- 34:59The we've been beaten by the mango Las.
- 35:02And then they continued on to Ambapali's mango Grove because
- 35:05they're still certain to see the Buddha.
- 35:08And now comes the I I just find this lovely.
- 35:10So the Buddha sees them coming in the distance.
- 35:12Yeah. Remember, this is all these sort
- 35:14of young guys in like lovely dresses and, you know, like
- 35:18perfumes, maybe even, you know, like blue and red and yellow
- 35:22white. So he sees them coming in the
- 35:26distance. So he turns to his monks and
- 35:28says any of the mendicants, any of the monks who've never seen
- 35:33the gods of the 33 before. So that's in in Indian
- 35:37cosmology, these are like sort of high-ranking gods.
- 35:40You're beautiful deities, which you can, according to Buddhist
- 35:45tradition, you can see in meditations with deep meditative
- 35:48experiences, you can sort of start, start to see that that
- 35:52form of beauty, it's a, it's a realm of beauty.
- 35:55So he says any of the mendicants have never seen the gods of the
- 35:5833 before. Just have a look at the assembly
- 36:01of the Lechevies, see the assembly of Lechevies, check
- 36:05them out. They are just like the 33.
- 36:10I find that so lovely. It's like, I don't know, it's
- 36:12sometimes you, you know, again, he's 80 and you can sort of see
- 36:16he's, I think he's joking. He's sort of like, I think he
- 36:21has the smirk on his face. That's how I imagine it.
- 36:24And it's just sort of like, aha, you know, I don't know,
- 36:26sometimes I get that. I mean, I'm only 31, but I don't
- 36:30know when you sort of see young guys or, or, you know, girls
- 36:33dressed up and sort of trying to just think, yeah, of course
- 36:36that's what you do. You know, it's just like when
- 36:37you're in that age, you sort of, I don't think we should sort of,
- 36:41you know, he's not shaming them, he's not sort of telling them
- 36:43off for dressing up. But it's just lovely, isn't it?
- 36:45It's life. It's reviews trying to really
- 36:47express itself and it's just life, isn't it?
- 36:50It's life and beauty and beauty also being a, you know, big,
- 36:56big, big quality in Buddhism. So anyway, they come and they
- 37:02try to try to convince the Buddha that they are much more
- 37:06suited, they're much more suited to meeting the Buddha than
- 37:10Ambapali, the courtesan. But obviously the Buddha says,
- 37:12well, she's already, I've already agreed to her.
- 37:16So they have to, they again snap their fingers and say we've been
- 37:19beaten by the mangolas, we've been beaten by the auntie.
- 37:24And then they they go away and meet, meet the Buddha a
- 37:28different day. So he's sort of really teaching
- 37:30them well, you know, responsibility and you can sort
- 37:33of see that's sort of full of arrogance and sort of youthful
- 37:36naivety and thinking that's sort of the the latest shit or
- 37:39something. So that's the second story.
- 37:47And I just want to finish with the last story, which sort of
- 37:52contains the biggest teaching, I think.
- 37:58So, you know, so he's in his last few, I guess, days or maybe
- 38:01even weeks. He's meeting all sorts of
- 38:03people. He does get sick.
- 38:06You know, it's quite clear his body is not for handling the
- 38:09sickness anymore. He's just taking some rest.
- 38:15And then Ananda again comes to him and it's all sorts of
- 38:21questions. And, and you can see the Ananda
- 38:23is really worked up. He's really worried that the
- 38:25Buddha is going to die soon. So the Buddha being very sick is
- 38:30Ananda last teaching. And he tells them, Ananda, you
- 38:37can always whenever the Buddha talks to Ananda, he's slightly,
- 38:41slightly telling him all for a bit poor Ananda.
- 38:45So he, the Buddha says to Ananda, that's the teaching
- 38:48Ananda, abide self reliant, taking refuge in yourself, not
- 38:54taking refuge in others, reliant on the Dumber, the teaching
- 39:00taking refuge in the Dumber, not taking refuge in another.
- 39:05So he's saying a by itself reliant, taking refuge only in
- 39:08yourself, not taking refuge in others and reliant on the Dumber
- 39:12taking refuge in the Dumber, not taking refuge in another.
- 39:18And that is actually a teaching which is mirrored all throughout
- 39:21the Buddhist teachings. There's even a saying where the
- 39:24Buddha says something like, you know, be a, you know, take
- 39:26refuge in yourself, be a lamp, be an island onto yourself.
- 39:30This is the only refuge. So that's interesting, isn't it?
- 39:34He's saying, on the one hand, what we must do is we ought to
- 39:37take refuge in ourselves, be self reliant, not seeking refuge
- 39:42in others. And on the other hand, he's
- 39:45telling Ananda to to take refuge in the teaching in the dumba,
- 39:50the truth. So that might be a slightly
- 39:54contradiction, right? It might be that might be a sort
- 39:56of contradiction there, You know, are we now to just follow
- 39:59ourselves and our own, you know, urges and impulses, or are we to
- 40:04actually follow a teaching, a path, something that's set out
- 40:08before us? And again, Sam Raksha makes in
- 40:13his talk about this makes a very interesting point.
- 40:15He says that he thinks there's these are sort of the two poles
- 40:18of the spiritual life. Yeah, these are the two poles of
- 40:21the spiritual life. It's that on the one hand,
- 40:25spiritual life is about self development, taking
- 40:28responsibility for ourselves, you know, so this is what we're
- 40:31doing here. We're learning how to meditate,
- 40:32transforming our own mind. We're working on our mind,
- 40:36becoming more mindful, opening up to meta, to a loving
- 40:40kindness. We're trying to be more ethical.
- 40:43We're trying to be friendly. We're trying to sort of not just
- 40:46do it for ourselves, but you know, even with others outside,
- 40:50you know, the ubon, I'm trying to be friendly, patient,
- 40:54generous, but really trying to becoming an individual.
- 40:59Yeah, transforming our own consciousness through
- 41:01meditation, through ethics, less, less dependent on, you
- 41:06know, what do others think of us and how, how can we please
- 41:10others? Becoming much more self
- 41:13dependent through friendship, ethics and so on.
- 41:18And then he says sort of the other pole of the spiritual life
- 41:22is devotion to a supremely worthwhile object.
- 41:27Yeah. So we can only develop ourselves
- 41:32if we have something that is worthwhile to devote ourselves
- 41:36to. Yeah.
- 41:37Some sort of ideal, something that, you know, some direction,
- 41:40really. Otherwise we can just sort of
- 41:42develop as as we please in all sorts of directions if you want
- 41:46to. So he's, so that's sort of the
- 41:49second teaching in there. It's a sort of spiritual life
- 41:53makes sense once we've found for us something that we can
- 41:57venerate, something that we can devote or commit ourselves to.
- 42:01Over the last few weeks, Papmasagra and Tarpaul to have
- 42:03explored that whole theme of commitment.
- 42:06That's what that means, is finding a worthwhile object, a
- 42:10supremely worthwhile object that we can devote ourselves to some
- 42:13sort of higher ideal, something that we can practice for.
- 42:19For Buddhists, this is obviously the Dharma at the teaching of
- 42:23the Buddha, something that leads to enlightenment, to
- 42:27transcendence. And he's some actually in the
- 42:32talk is making a sort of statement of, well, you know,
- 42:37devotion means both obviously having devotional feelings, sort
- 42:40of, you know, cultivating that sense of looking up, revering,
- 42:48which is maybe something that in modern times isn't so obvious
- 42:52for us. It doesn't come easy.
- 42:55We sort of think, well, that's, yeah, it's a sort of medieval
- 42:59thing. I've always, I mean, I've always
- 43:02said that I was always, when I grew up, I was always a bit
- 43:05suspicious of religion anyway. I grew up without any religion.
- 43:08I grew up in East Berlin after the wall fell, but still in that
- 43:13environment, but not nonetheless.
- 43:17Maybe I'm just a weird child, but nonetheless, what I, I just
- 43:20remember as a child already that started that sense of wouldn't
- 43:25it be nice if I could go into a place of worship or like a
- 43:28church or a temple and I would always light a candle, not
- 43:31knowing what that is? So I think that seems to be a
- 43:35sort of human need almost for wanting to venerate something,
- 43:39wanting to Revere something. It's just that in our
- 43:42experience, we've learned to be quite suspicious, and rightly so
- 43:46with veneration because we see where that leads, but we also
- 43:50seeing now that the lack of that leads to not good things either.
- 43:55So I think so for me, it was one of those almost revelations that
- 44:00I felt like, oh, I can actually Revere something.
- 44:03I can devote myself to something higher and well learn to grow
- 44:10from them. So and the Buddha, you know, the
- 44:15Buddha in, in, in a different sort of, he is saying that not
- 44:19to Revere anything means to suffer.
- 44:22Yeah, he he does say that. That's when he asks himself,
- 44:25well, now that he is the Buddha, who is he revereing?
- 44:28He's really, he's really asking himself the question because he
- 44:30thinks, well, not to Revere anything is suffering.
- 44:34It's the Buddha. You know, the Buddha says that
- 44:37about himself and he knows that he can't Revere himself.
- 44:41So he then decides to venerate, to Revere, to devote himself to
- 44:45the Dhamma. Yeah.
- 44:46The truth, sort of transcendental truth, which is
- 44:49non personal, which is sort of that law of the fact that we can
- 44:55all get enlightened. So even the Buddha needs
- 44:58something to Revere. Yeah, even he is not without
- 45:02veneration. So you can see it's not
- 45:05something where you where we try to put ourselves down or sort of
- 45:08make ourselves small. It is actually an opening up of
- 45:10becoming bigger experience and the Buddha as well.
- 45:16That's actually that's what I want to finish with.
- 45:18You know, when he sort of, you know, is very sick, lies down
- 45:22and sees all these flowers, all the petals, these untimely
- 45:27flowers raining down on him, he is actually saying, you know,
- 45:31this is very lovely. Thank you very much.
- 45:36But he's sort of saying, but this isn't actually the way to
- 45:40Revere a Buddha. The best way to venerate and
- 45:43Revere a Buddha is to practice the Dhamma.
- 45:46And it's to actually put it, put yourself to the practice that's
- 45:50and and achieve that state of enlightenment yourself.
- 45:52That's the best way you can devote yourself to to Buddha.
- 45:58But again, that I feel like it fits quite well into our modern
- 46:02sentiment of like, OK, yeah. So we're we're not supposed to
- 46:04actually feel anything. We're just supposed to do it.
- 46:07I do think we need, we need both.
- 46:09Yeah. We need both.
- 46:10That kind of commitment to spiritual development, personal
- 46:13development, taking responsibility for our own
- 46:15lives, for our own minds, and finding something, finding the
- 46:19truth that we can then live by. So I'm just going to finish with
- 46:24the last words that the Buddha ever said to his disciples.
- 46:30So this is before he died. He sort of called them, called
- 46:34them together for one last teaching.
- 46:35And the only thing he then at the end says, he says quite a
- 46:38few things, but at the end he sort of says all things that are
- 46:43subject to rising about to cease with mindfulness, Strive on.
- 46:50That's the last thing he says. Thank you very much.