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Josh Hagquist: The Beautiful Mistake | Furnace Fest 2024 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:29
  Speaker 1: Today, we've got Josh from The Beautiful Mistake. Josh super
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: excited chat. I want to just first intro just so
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: you kind of are aware of this. Josh. I've been
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: a Beautiful Mistake fan for it's twenty twenty four. I
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: have probably been a fan since like at least two
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: thousand and six, maybe two thousand and seven. So I
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: was kind of late in the game. I mean, I'm like,
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: I'm only I'm thirty years old now, so I was
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: a little late in the game. And I was also
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  Speaker 1: young and almost I mean I was probably like twelve
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  Speaker 1: or thirteen years old, so I was pretty young still
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  Speaker 1: when I first heard about the Beautiful Mistake. But I
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  Speaker 1: was one of those people that, like, when I found
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  Speaker 1: out about like Tooth and Nail, I had to listen
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  Speaker 1: to every Tooth and Nail band. When I learned about
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  Speaker 1: like Floodgate Records, I had to listen to every Floodgate
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  Speaker 1: Records band. When I found out about the Militia Group,
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  Speaker 1: I had to listen to every Militia Group band. And
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  Speaker 1: that's when I found out about Beautiful Mistake. I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: like they had an album or an epe with Floodgates
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  Speaker 1: or with Militia Group, so I'm like, of course I
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  Speaker 1: have to listen to this band, and then immediately was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, this is amazing. And then it was
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  Speaker 1: around that time that I think you guys had like
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  Speaker 1: first broken up, and I was like, well, this is
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  Speaker 1: a great band, but you know they're done now, so
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  Speaker 1: well what you know that that is what it is. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: But that's when I first found out about the Beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful Mistake was one. It was like one of those
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  Speaker 1: kind of bands And maybe you had one of these
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  Speaker 1: bands in your own life, Josh, where you like you
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  Speaker 1: find out about them when they have already broken up,
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  Speaker 1: and that was basically my experience with Beautiful Mistake. But
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  Speaker 1: I've been listening to you guys for a very very
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  Speaker 1: very long time, and I have just loved you guys
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  Speaker 1: since you know, number four years ago now, when you
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  Speaker 1: guys released the EP was one of my favorite EPs
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  Speaker 1: of the year. It was definitely some of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: music of twenty twenty, you know, in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: the pandemic. It was just like, oh I got a
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  Speaker 1: breath of fresh air. So anyway, been a big fan
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  Speaker 1: for a while, so excited to chat more about Beautiful
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  Speaker 1: mistake with you. But before we get into all of that,
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  Speaker 1: how are you doing today, Josh.
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I had a long day at work
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  Speaker 2: and I was looking forward to chatting with two of you,
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  Speaker 2: and yeah, I'm I'm always really grateful to be able
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  Speaker 2: to do these you know, I don't take them for
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  Speaker 2: And then you know, all of us in the band,
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  Speaker 2: we don't have delusions of grandeur. We were able to
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  Speaker 2: look back at what we did, you know, in the
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  Speaker 2: in the two thousands, and you know, be really thankful
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  Speaker 2: for that and and and be very proud of what
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  Speaker 2: we did. But we also know that we're able to
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  Speaker 2: do these kind of things now because we did that
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  Speaker 2: back then, and and it's really humbling and it's always
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  Speaker 2: really special. Like I don't take it for granted at all.
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  Speaker 2: So I was really looking forward to chatting. And I
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  Speaker 2: always like talking about music and all that fun stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I you know, I think about it. Like
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  Speaker 1: we were just talking about, you know, being in South Dakota,
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  Speaker 1: like you grew up in Minnesota, Josh and Colin and
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: I grew up in South Dakota, and you were talking about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, driving through South Dakota recently, you know, growing
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  Speaker 1: up in South Dakota. There is almost no level of
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  Speaker 1: grandeur to it, Like it's just it's so middle of
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  Speaker 1: like you just you go to school, you graduate school,
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  Speaker 1: you might go on to college if you go to college,
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  Speaker 1: and then you just lit, you get your you know,
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  Speaker 1: you find a spouse, and you have your two point
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  Speaker 1: five kids and your white offense and like that is life.
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  Speaker 1: That that's life for eighty years until you die. And
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  Speaker 1: so there's like no level of like you do this
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  Speaker 1: cool thing in your twenties or your thirties or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And I'd like think like I had that experience growing
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  Speaker 1: up in South Dakota. Like my parents are like the
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  Speaker 1: most prototypical kind of Midwestern parents ever. And I often
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  Speaker 1: think back to like when my dad would have been
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  Speaker 1: your age when you guys were doing beautiful mistake, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like he he doesn't really like he can, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: certainly has memories of when he was like in his
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  Speaker 1: twenties and early thirties, but he has like no level
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  Speaker 1: of like, wow, I was like doing this like really
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  Speaker 1: cool thing and like nobody else my age was like
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  Speaker 1: doing that, or like nobody else I knew was doing that,
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  Speaker 1: Like he my dad doesn't have any of that, and like,
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  Speaker 1: obviously he's lived a very happy and great life. But
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  Speaker 1: it's so cool that, like there is a whole group
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  Speaker 1: of people that we interview all the time that like
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  Speaker 1: for their twenties and thirties, for a certain time of
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  Speaker 1: their life, they get to say when even when they're
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: in there fifties, they get to say, yeah, like twenty
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  Speaker 1: years ago, I was doing this thing, and most other
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  Speaker 1: people in their life will never be able to say that,
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  Speaker 1: like that's that's pretty cool, whereas we're everything else that
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  Speaker 1: my dad has experienced in his twenties and thirties, pretty
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  Speaker 1: much everyone else in midwest South Dakota also experience. And
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  Speaker 1: you guys get to say like, hey, I was in
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  Speaker 1: this band and like we did this thing and we
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  Speaker 1: had some music on these TV shows and like that's
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  Speaker 1: a cool thing. Like not many other people get to
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  Speaker 1: say that. That's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: And it's funny because I was talking to somebody at
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  Speaker 2: work today and they were like, who who did you
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  Speaker 2: tour with? So I started naming people that we had
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  Speaker 2: toured with. I usually start with probably ones that they
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  Speaker 2: might know, instead of getting too obscure, like if I
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: say to thirty eight they're not going to know most likely,
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: but if I say Fallout Boy, they're probably And so
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: I started listing bands and are you hitting? Are you serious?
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  Speaker 2: My gosh, I used to go to hot topic. And
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  Speaker 2: so it is really cool, like we got to experience
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  Speaker 2: something that most people never have and never will and
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  Speaker 2: in a time where it was becoming popular and in
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  Speaker 2: a time when our music was more accepted and we
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  Speaker 2: were part of like a scene, and it was just
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  Speaker 2: a really cool times. Excuse me, Yeah, I look back
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  Speaker 2: at it with fondness, a lot of hard word, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of ups and downs, a lot of pain. It
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  Speaker 2: was definitely really cool experience.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, it has to feel like, Yo, I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to use the term legacy, because when you Guys
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  Speaker 3: came out with the record four years ago that was
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  Speaker 3: absolutely killer as well. But do you feel like it's
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  Speaker 3: a legacy that that you wear with pride everywhere you go?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so, you know, I think for us,
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  Speaker 2: I think the EP was really fun for us to
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  Speaker 2: put out in twenty twenty. Yeah, you know, we didn't.
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  Speaker 2: We went into that with no expectations and just to
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  Speaker 2: see if we could write some new songs. There was
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  Speaker 2: still some chemistry there and it ended up being something
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  Speaker 2: that we were really proud of, and so we jokingly
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  Speaker 2: would say, oh yeah, we still have ganness left in
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  Speaker 2: the tank. You know, we still we've still got it
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  Speaker 2: whatever whatever level that means, We've still got it. But no,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think we I think we're proud of
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  Speaker 2: what we did and we're proud of what we're still doing.
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  Speaker 2: And there's you know, we were never the biggest band,
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  Speaker 2: We were never the most popular band. We were never
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  Speaker 2: the band that blew up, but we were a part
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  Speaker 2: of that scene and those bands were on the peers.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean the joke was that if you opened
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  Speaker 2: up for us, you probably were going to get huge.
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  Speaker 1: You're like, what, let's what what is it that? Like
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  Speaker 1: never the bride, always the bridesmaid kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I don't know if we were
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  Speaker 2: even like in that guy in the wedding party. If analogy,
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  Speaker 2: maybe we were like our.
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  Speaker 1: Girl, oh yeah, always the usher, never the bridesmaid. Totally,
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  Speaker 1: that's a better or like valet, always the valet at
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  Speaker 1: the wedding venue, never in the building, exactly, always the cater,
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  Speaker 1: never the groom.
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  Speaker 2: Totally totally that's us. So yeah. I mean there's there's
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  Speaker 2: some nostalgia there, and there's you know, there's a lot
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  Speaker 2: of history there, but it's it's cool. We're we're really
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  Speaker 2: very thankful that you know, we're able to do now
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  Speaker 2: the things that we do and get asked to do
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  Speaker 2: things now because of what we did before. And I
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  Speaker 2: don't have any problem with that, because I think none
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  Speaker 2: of us do. We're all really proud of what we dead.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, it's interesting that you say that you
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  Speaker 3: weren't necessarily ever the most popular band. You never had
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  Speaker 3: like this big like blow up moment necessarily. But it's
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  Speaker 3: interesting because whenever I have shown you to friends of mine.
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  Speaker 3: You know, most of my friends they fall into other
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  Speaker 3: categories of music, but a lot of people they know
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  Speaker 3: like thirty seconds to Mars for instance. Right, yeah, And
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  Speaker 3: I'll say something along the lines of like, imagine if
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  Speaker 3: thirty seconds to Mars was just a little bit better,
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  Speaker 3: that's the beautiful mistake. And then I'll and then I'll
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  Speaker 3: show them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the cult it all right, like there's behavior from us.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, cool, that's exactly what I was also going to say. Looks,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, you can take out whatever direction you want.
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  Speaker 2: We're easy on the eyes. I can tell you that.
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  Speaker 3: Bom, but then as soon as they listen, they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: I get exactly what you mean. And then I have
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  Speaker 3: some other friends who are like, you know, they're in
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: like nineties emo. I'd be like, well, imagine some of
• 10:03
  Speaker 3: your like your favorite email bands. Let's say like Sunday
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  Speaker 3: Day real Estate. Just imagine that just slightly updated. And
• 10:08
  Speaker 3: then all of a sudden they're like, oh, why didn't
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  Speaker 3: this band blow up? So from your perspective, why do
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  Speaker 3: you think that it never necessarily like took off to
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  Speaker 3: that like mega level like some of some of the
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  Speaker 3: piers that you were surrounded by. Did.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's a couple things. You know. We put
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  Speaker 2: out our second record and then three guys from the
• 10:33
  Speaker 2: band quit and we were done with Militia and I
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  Speaker 2: decided to keep going on. I got I got new
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  Speaker 2: people to be in the band, and we kept touring.
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  Speaker 2: We did multiple tours after that and put another EP
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  Speaker 2: after that, but the momentum just kind of dropped completely,
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  Speaker 2: and it was it was a building back process. So
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  Speaker 2: I also don't think our second record was as well
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  Speaker 2: received as light Am was, and I think we went
• 11:01
  Speaker 2: into that record, thinking oh, we want to sound more mature,
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  Speaker 2: we need to like not scream as much, and I
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  Speaker 2: think we may have betrayed of our our true roots.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. You know, I think we in a lot
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  Speaker 2: of ways, we did kind of what we wanted to do.
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  Speaker 2: There was no one putting pressure on us, but we
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  Speaker 2: kind of sacrificed some of what made us special, I
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: think with not including a lot of the more hardcore
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  Speaker 2: elements to it. So you know, you don't realize it
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  Speaker 2: at the time. You think that you're going to put
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  Speaker 2: out something and everyone's just going to go crazy for it,
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  Speaker 2: and you're gonna get huge and get signed to a
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  Speaker 2: major and I mean we.
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  Speaker 1: All thought, Yeah, what's interesting is like we I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we've talked to so many bands now, and I think
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  Speaker 1: there always has been, you know, especially the last like
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  Speaker 1: twenty thirty years, there generally is this like pressure to
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  Speaker 1: kind of like make a sound that's going to be
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  Speaker 1: more accessible than like what maybe was initially popular, just
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  Speaker 1: because you're kind of like, what what if, like okay,
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  Speaker 1: this this first album, where this second album was really popular,
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  Speaker 1: but like what if we like dial it in in
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  Speaker 1: a way where we're going to make it more accessible,
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  Speaker 1: and that could like now now we're gonna be the
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  Speaker 1: next follow up boy or whatever, like what that has
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  Speaker 1: always been like the attempt and unless your follow up boy,
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  Speaker 1: almost no other band can do that. Like it's almost
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  Speaker 1: where it's like you actually got to just stay true
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  Speaker 1: to your roots and that will be the way to success.
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  Speaker 1: And it's interesting there is that temptation, and that's to
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  Speaker 1: to say, like, you know what, here's the funny thing is,
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  Speaker 1: like I do think I actually love that second album
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  Speaker 1: more than the first album. And also I hear that
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  Speaker 1: that is like generally maybe a temptation or like a
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  Speaker 1: pressure that bands have experienced, and that that to me
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  Speaker 1: is really interesting because like unless you know you've got
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  Speaker 1: that formula ready to go, like you're gonna be follow
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  Speaker 1: up boy, it's really hard to like actually follow that
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: level of success in that way, whereas maybe actually the
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: better route is to just like stick to your guns
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  Speaker 1: and know like what you're really good at. And again
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  Speaker 1: that's I'm not trying to be like like I love
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful Mistake in any way like your first album, second album. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I love the second album more, but like it it's
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  Speaker 1: all great. And also like that's something I've heard like
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  Speaker 1: from multiple other bands.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but you look at you know, I look
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  Speaker 2: at bands like Thrice and their fans made the jump
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  Speaker 2: with them because it was so good what they were
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: putting consistently, every record a little different, you know, going
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  Speaker 2: from you know, their first one which is a very
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: like Orange County like metal punk, just to what they became.
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  Speaker 2: You know, same with Thursday. You know, Thursday's one of
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  Speaker 2: those bands is just every record. You know, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: maybe make the artistic jump that Thrice did with some
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: of their music, but every record is just fantastic and
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  Speaker 2: really high level. You know, so much respect for those
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: bands that keep kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Well and those bands too. And you mentioned earlier like
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  Speaker 1: you had three guys that left and it just lost
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  Speaker 1: a lot, the band lost a lot of momentum. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Thrice has had the same four guys in the band
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  Speaker 1: the whole time, the whole time. Thursday, for the most part,
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  Speaker 1: has almost had all of those guys a part of
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  Speaker 1: Thursday since the very beginning. Like there is something to
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  Speaker 1: be said about like a group of a group of
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: members that are just like, were committed to this rough
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  Speaker 1: and through. And you get bands like Thrice where now
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  Speaker 1: they're I mean they've been a band for over twenty
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  Speaker 1: five years going on to thirty years now, and they've
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: been able to like each one of those four guys. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're consistent of like, we've got a vision, we know
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  Speaker 1: what like and there's a reason why they've been where
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: they're at. And I'm sure like you probably could say
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: the same thing about Thursday as well. But there's just
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  Speaker 1: something about the consistency that just really is so helpful, you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, said, I look at that with Ember, look at
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  Speaker 2: that with Amber LN. You know, there's these bands under
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: there's these bands that have just basically had the same lineup,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: relatively the same lineup for most of their career, and
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  Speaker 2: I think it speaks a lot to I think the
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: music reflects that, and I think there's a there's a
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: there's something in that weird. I don't even want to
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: even know how to say it, like that weird that
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: is band member chemistry and how it translates to the fan.
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  Speaker 2: I see that, I'm like, oh, of course, that's a
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: huge part of it. You know. The Emery dudes, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: they've had it's four of them have been in the
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: band forever. I think four yeah, there's.
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  Speaker 3: Four of them, four and then a couple of touring members. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, same with Amber ln Like, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Christian was the last new member, and that was how
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  Speaker 2: many years ago, two thousand and six.
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  Speaker 3: Two and six or seven, Yeah, and then yeah, maybe
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  Speaker 3: even two thousand and five or.
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  Speaker 2: So, right, Yeah, after acceptance, I think he was doing
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  Speaker 2: that and acceptance. Yeah, that's a good point, that's the
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  Speaker 2: part of it.
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  Speaker 3: So like reflecting back on that beautiful mistake, is there
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  Speaker 3: regrets along with that or what what caused the change
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: and lineup and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we were we were not getting along. I
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: think we wanted different things. I think, you know, some
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: of the band members at the time. This again, this
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  Speaker 2: is two thousand and four. I think some of the
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: band members wanted to kind of go more mainstream. Sure,
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  Speaker 2: others didn't. We had family pressure, we had relationship pressure,
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  Speaker 2: we were struggling with money. I think there were a
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: lot of things that put pressure on the dynamic and so,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Sean and Josh quit first, and it was
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: just like, hey, we want to just you know, we're
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: just not into this anymore. We want to have like
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  Speaker 2: normal lives and and then A couple of weeks later, John,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: our bass player, quit and I was pretty pissed about
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: it at the time. Be hindsights, it's really easy. And
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  Speaker 2: then especially after going through therapy and like working on
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: myself and that mending relationships with them in like twenty
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: seventy and ish, all of us mending relationships with each other,
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  Speaker 2: it's easy to look back on it and and be
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: able to dicet it right right. But no, I was pissed.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, screw these guys. I just want to
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: do music. I don't want to do anything else with
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: my life. All of those tour records and I'm going
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: to do it and they can see. I mean, that
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  Speaker 2: was my That was part of what. Did I love
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: the music?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Did I believe in it? Yeah, there was a huge
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: part of me that was like, these guys can go
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: to hell for bailing on me, and I'm going to
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: show them that I could do it. And there was
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: a huge ego driver you know, because I I did.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: You were driven. You were driven, Yeah, you were. I
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: mean you probably saw what was going on around you
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: and you said this is this is about to pop off. Guys,
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Like what the hell? Why you jumping ship at this.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: Moment exactly, Yeah, exactly, And you know, we worked up
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: to a point, I had worked it back up to
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: a point by the mid two thousand and five where
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: we had another deal ready to go. Yeah, and it
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: just didn't happen, which is a good thing in looking
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: back at but yeah, we had a lot of pressure
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: and it was just we stopped talking and we stopped
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: being friends, we stopped working things out. That like innocence
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: when you start vanished.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is one of those things where it's just
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: like it feels like it's so the line between being
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: the Beautiful Mistake and Thrice it's like so fine, Like
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: there's just one little thing that could have happened differently,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: and you guys, you know, could have had the same
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: career as Thrice, right, Like, it's just it's one of
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: those things where it's just it's like, so it's so close,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: it's so there, it's you know, it's just that fine
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: little line, and uh, you know, things just go a
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: different way. But that's not to say again that like
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: there is a whole group of fans of The Beautiful
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Mistake that have obviously loved you guys throughout the years yeah,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: and and you know me being one of them. It's
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: just it's one of those one of those things where
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you still get those fans, and I'm sure you cherish that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And also it's like one of those things where I
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: can imagine, like, you know, just being a human, like
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: you're probably like god, it was we could have we
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: could have been thrice, We could have been one of
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: those bands. You know, it could have been. So who knows,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: maybe you could you maybe who maybe you could have
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: been follow up by? But who knows? Right, But like
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the the the line between like you, I mean, you
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: were touring with those bands, like you know what they
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: were like you you know what the music you were
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: making like it it wasn't as if like you were
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: completely in a different planet like you guys were there.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: You were close, and it's like, you know, just a
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: few little things could have gone a different way and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: you could have been one of those.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Hey, I need, I need to turn on lights. The
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: sun is the sun has set.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: It is it is that time of year.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: It's been dark here for about two hours.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: So that's better, right, looks that looks way better?
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, way better? Yeah, you look great now, awesome, you
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: look great. Far too. But now you're just now you're
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: just vibrating with just life.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Way better looking than the Undertaking. My goodness, we like
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: it when it's dark when we interview the Austin.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: You don't want to see those dudes. You can't unsee Austin.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a great way to describe it. You can't.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: That's it. That's a dude you can't unsee.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I told them that if they don't put we're putting
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: the fun in funeral psalms uh on a shirt, that
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: they're doing something wrong and they never did it. So
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: that's probably why they're not as successful as they are
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: as they should be.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: As what I say, the difference between every Time I
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Die and the fine Line, and it really could have
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: just been one T shirt and that's all it could
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: have been. But now the Undertaking is having to open
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: for the beautiful Mistake, and they could have been every
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: time I die.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they're gonna have to just eat, eat
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: a steady diet of expired scene points that night they're
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: opening for us expired scene points. Yeah right, I love
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: it that.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: No, I I really I appreciate the like honesty because
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: you know again' We've interviewed a number of different bands
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and like, you know, have that kind of like similar
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: story where it's like, oh God, like something really could
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: have been here, and it's just you know, it it
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: ended earlier, maybe than you would have liked and when
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: you know, earlier than fans would have liked to And
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: it's just one of those things where that, to me
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: is always an interesting story, like when when it feels
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: like a band was on the precipice of something they
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: could have been, you know, with all their peers, no
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: especially knowing the bands you guys were touring with, and
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: it's just like for it to not happen in that way,
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: It's like always one of those things of life. I
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: love the what if stories, and it feels like that
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: kind of what if.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, I think I can honestly say though,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to speak for my bandmates too, we
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: wouldn't be here today had we kept We wouldn't have
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: put out the EP that we're really really really proud
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: of in twenty twenty. Had we kept going, you know,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: we might not even some of us might not even
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: be here if we had kept going. So I'm a
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: firm believer in providence and things happening for a reason,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: and you know, you ending up where you are because
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: of your past experiences. And I think when it paused
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: because we never officially broke up, which is another is
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: that there was never a like, beautiful lit it breaks up.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: It's just they kind of just faded into the ether
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: and there was never a like, hey, thanks for being fans,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Hey this is our last show. Nothing. So technically we
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: never broke up. No, I think, you know, because things
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: happened the way they did. We can look at twenty
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: twenty and how we got back together and how we
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: became friends again and started writing music together. That means
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: so much more to us and it's so precious to
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: us that process and how came out. You know, we
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: are happy that things worked out the way they did
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: because we got to do that, and we have that
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: as a part of our collective history now and you
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: can go from a spot that is positive instead of
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: potentially what it we have stayed together and gotten big
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and lost our marbles, you know, right.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Right outside of the music stuff. As much as you're
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: able to, what is it like to become friends with
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: somebody again? Because I've like I've never really, I'll be honest,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I've really experienced that much where
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: like I was friends with somebody for a while, maybe
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: had like maybe some sort of big difference for them
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: for years, uh, and then like had to relearn how
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: to become friends with that. Like, I just don't think
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I've really ever had that experience in life. And I'm
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: sure maybe at some point that will happen in my life.
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I just haven't had enough of life experience where that
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: has happened.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: But I mean, just really learn too many Bridges's never.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Just so many bridges, But I just i'd love to note,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: like maybe even outside of the music stuff, and maybe
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: obviously I would imagine, like with Beautiful Mistake, a lot
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: of the music is what brings you guys together, but yea,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I'd love to know just like what is it like
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: to almost, for you know, fifteen twenty years or yeah,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: fifteen years not be friends with somebody and then now
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: like okay, like let's try to figure out how to
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: be friends again, Like what is that experience?
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Like, well, I think a lot of it has to
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: do with the work that you do yourself. You know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: you can't control anybody else's reactions to you. You can't
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: control how they think about you or anything. You're only
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: responsible for you. And I think that time that was spent.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: You know, I knew those guys intimately. We were stuck
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: in a van or a bus together twenty four hours
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: a day, seven days a week. They were my best friends.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: They were my family basically, And when you don't have that,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: or there's anger or resentment, you've got to deal with
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: that stuff, you know, like I burned bridges, I've burned.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: I've burned so many bridges in my life. The one
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: thing when I'm actually serious about working on self and
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: getting help to figure out what my problems were emotionally
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: and and kind of work through issues I had. You know,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: it's okay. I need to focus on what I control
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: and I need to figure out how to you know,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: be more emotionally mature and you know, look at problems
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: and run away from and not hold grudge it. Like
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: for me it was and I'm not implying ancient, but
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: like getting older, having some you know, highs and with life.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I went through a divorce and two thousands, like nine
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: years ago, and I I lost a bunch of friends
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: when that happened. I hadn't been tight with any of
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the guys in the band, I hadn't really talked to
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: them much at all. And as I came out of that,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I need to make things right with people.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I'm tired of living with this resentment and this chip
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: on my shoulder. And so that's where it started for me,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: and I think all of us have kind of done
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: the work separately to kind of figure out where we
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: needed to be too, to be in a place that
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: was receptive forgiveness and receptive of of people, you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: wanting to make things right. And life is better when
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: you when when you've wronged someone or they've wronged you,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: to forgive or to apologize.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: And do I still miss the mark with that? Sure?
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I do. But for for the for the five of us,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: or it was, it was, and let's get things right
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: with each other. If we make music, I don't really care.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: And when we were doing that wasn't really about like,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: oh well, just keep doing it. It was more about
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: let's just make things right with each other first and
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: see if we can patch this up.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: M's what you're saying is you put the EMO in
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: emotional maturity totally, totally.
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: It is kind of interesting because because what do you
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: generally when you're in a band, you're you're usually a
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: young man. Yeah, and your your emotions are runner wild.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: You got these hormonals situations still going on. You know,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: your brain isn't fully developed all that stuff, And it
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: would be great to live life if you had, you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: the vision of the retrospective that would come now, right,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: But but now you're now, you're here. You're much healthier
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: than you were before. Your friendships are healthier, your relationships
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: in general are healthier than they were before. Mason and
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: I were actually talking before just a little bit ago
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: that we could probably stand about seventy two hours together. Before,
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: like you know, there would probably be some like sort
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: of like real like conflict between us.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Like we were saying, like if we were on a
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: camping trip for a week, it would like be bad,
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: it would not be good for her relationship. And we're
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: like we are aware of that. Like that's good. I
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: think I think that's healthy.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: But that's also something that comes as to thirty year olds.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: As an eighteen nineteen, twenty twenty eight of just twenty
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: five year old, I mean that's just not something that
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: you're aware of oftentimes. And I think that there deserves
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: a little bit of empathy for the past. And like
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: you said, you're you're not like ashamed of that necessarily,
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: You're like, I understand that that's how that's who I
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: was then, but now I am who I am now,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: and now it's time to look forward and and allow
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: myself to be my my more true self. Right. Yeah,
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: Do you find that to be something that has the
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: rest of your life and not just like you do
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: with your bandmates and stuff like that, or is that
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: something that like you feel like so much more full
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: and much more active and engaged with life in general.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would I would say it wasn't limited to
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: getting my friendships restored with my bandmates. You know, it's
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: kind of across the board. I don't think it takes
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: a traumatic experience to figure things out, but for some
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: people it does. And for me, it was probably divorce
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: and then dealing with you know, family member's deaths that
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I hadn't dealt with. And you know, it's funny because
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: we look back and we when we all get together,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: it's just ridiculous story after ridiculous story about when we
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: were touring. I mean, we still talk about stuff that
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: goes on today and how are you feeling where, yeah,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: in life, and like we we still talk about pertinent things.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: But you know there's there's a part of it that's says,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: do you remember when we were at Del Taco and
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: you know, we broke the bathroom like just stupid style,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: and we we've all joked about it, like if man,
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: if we could go back to two thousand and two,
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: just being where we're in life, Like if you could
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: just erase all of the circumstances we were in and
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: put us as developed adults back and we'd be ule
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: like Weld exactly, we would be thrice not as good musically,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: we would be them. That would be our our our bar.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we would go back.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: I would even say that's arguable. I would even say
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: that part is arguable.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: But you know, sure we would dominate though, because we
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: we would understand all those dynamics that eighteen nineteen twenty
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: year olds are dealing with, and we would understand the
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: business side of it, and we understand the interpersonal dynamics.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: We would be unstoppable. But that isn't the case that
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: we're in our forties and still right in Bangers. You know,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: that's what we do.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: You gotta love it, right, No, it's interesting because I
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: don't know. I think perspective lens so much, so much
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: wisdom to people. That's literally what wisdom is is perspective. Really,
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: I spent much of my life as an athlete. I
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: did Division I college athletics and everything like that. And
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: as soon as I started coaching more as like a
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: like a relatively full time kig, Like, oh if I
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: only me fucking knew what I know now as a coach,
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: I would have been so much better as an athlete.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: And uh, I think that there's that idea of self,
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: of personal development that could really expand itself and take
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: on a life of its own if you can get
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: that perspective.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: And that's when you become say that again, that's when
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you become Uncle Rico. You're like God, I would have.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Just said you could throw football over them mountains.
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: If I now, no knowing what I know now, I
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: could throw those that ball over the mountains.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's real.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: But like now you can just continue to write, you know,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: like as you said, bangers and you have kind of
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: like this luxury as with this creative outlet to be
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: able to continue to to to create and to make
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: something new with it with a different perspective, understanding the
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: perspective of the past as well. So how does that
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: how does that go forward now for you? In in
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: a personal sense, I should.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Say, you mean with the creative side, just yeah, the
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: creative side of it, like like understanding where where you've been,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: how far we come, the struggles you've been through, and
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: understand just the perspective of everything that's happened from now
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: to when you were a kiddo.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: How does that How does that change your perspective in
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: terms of where you want to go in the future.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: I think it definitely. I think from a creative perspective,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: it makes you want to work harder. For me, it's
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: I want to work harder because I know all the
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: stuff that I know and and and I have this ability.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying great or horrible. I'm just saying factly,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I have the ability to play guitar, write music, saying
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I'm surrounded by people who are as creative as me,
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: and so it's so it's really free sense of like, oh,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I'm I want to I want to work even harder
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: at this. I want to be better at what I
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: do because I appreciate it more. Is that does that
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: make sense? Yeah?
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: I get that vibe from you. So do you do
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: you think that that's going to happen? Are you writing music?
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Are you writing music right right right now? And and
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: and and is there is there a plan to create more?
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah? So we've talked about so each of us. Each
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: of us do music kind of on two. So Josh
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: our drummer plays and light the Letters which was which
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: is from Colorado. And the singer of that band is Dan.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: He's one of my best friends. Dan was a singer
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: in a band called Ember in the late nineties emo band.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: When he left Ember, I started singing and we became
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the Beautiful Mistake. So I've known them forever. But Josh
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: are plays with them and he does production. John's working
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: on an amazing project in Minneapolis where he's doing the screaming.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: It sounds so good.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: I've been able to do my own stuff under Saint
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Bleat and it's just me everything, and then Josh our
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Mistake drummer plays drums and records it produces it. You know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: that's been a lot of fun. But yeah, so right
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: now we're just getting ready for furness Vests and the
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: show's coming that we have. But we did five demos
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: just to kind of see because we all live in
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: different places too, so it's a little challenging. But we
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: did five and we're kind of passing them around everyone.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Once furnus Fest is over, we're gonna start tweaking them
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: and getting them, getting them dialed but and seeing if
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: they have potential to be recorded properly. But no, we
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: want to make more music. We want to play shows.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: There's no expectation. We just we don't have to prove
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: ourselves to any right, it's so awesome like it. I
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: like r EP. If somebody else connects with it, that's amazing.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not being facetious. That's very thankful. All
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: of us are very thankful. Someone there's an emotional connection
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: with the music or the lyrics are both. Yeah, but
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: if nobody likes it, I like it.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: When you know, make it for you, you got to
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: make it for yourself first.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, So we're going to do more stuff. We're excited.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Mason and I both were both pretty excited,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: And when the EP came out in twenty twenty, we
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: both thought that it went hard as hell.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, more than I was ever anticipating, way more than.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: We ever thought.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, we weren't pissed. We had we had to
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: get some stuff.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think we're we're very excited to see
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: where this is gonna go again. And I think there's
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: a lot of anticipation with it.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it'll be heavy. I can we really.
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Still make us wait another ten to twelve years?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: You know, no, no, no, you We're gonna do it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: We're really excited, you know. Like that being able to
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: play Furnace again and just you know, all being on
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the same page with like, hey this this should be fun.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Let's prioritize it and just have a good time with
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: it feels good.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I love that. Love that. Oh well, you obviously you
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: talked about furnesce Fest. Let's talk more about your setup
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: for int Fest. So obviously a couple of years ago
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: you guys played. I love to hear kind of more
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: of like where where you guys out with with your
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: furnace vest set, Like I mean, what can we expect? Like,
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like, you know, there could be
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: potentially new music. I don't even know if you're like
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: even in the process of writing, but yeah, i'd love
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: to know like kind of any sort of like surprises,
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: anything that people should, uh fans should anticipate for the
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: first VEST set.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I wouldn't say there there are going to
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: be some huge surprises, you know. I think we tried
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: to pick songs that really represent us best from each album.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: It's going to have a little bit of everything in there.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I think we did that in twenty twenty one as well,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: but I think this one will have a few surprises
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: for people when it comes to what songs we picked.
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: But you know, we had I do want to preface
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: it and just say that Mason and I were both
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: just surprised to see you on the building in the
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: first place, Like we were excited for it. Like that's
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: that's surprise enough, So like anything else is just a
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: cherry on top as all we're saying.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: We feel the same way. I mean, we could just
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: go and hang out on stage and just chat with
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: people and the play and be stuff because it's Furnace Fest.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: They Chad, Mike, Ryan, Johnny, those guys have been really
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: good to us, and what they have done with Furnace
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Fest is different than any other festival we've ever played.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: And knowing Chad for so long, you know, we knew
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: him way back in the day, and respecting him, and
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: just just the attitude and the approach that all of
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: them take when it comes to this, whether it's you know,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: how the festivals run or what bands are getting to
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: play and kind of curating that experience. I think they
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: do a really good job of it being very much
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: not a festival that's too cool, where you know, it's
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: not too seen, for lack of a better word, it's
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: very accepting of a whole bunch of different types of
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: music styles they know how to do to be included
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: in the last one, alongside bands that you know Coalesce
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: for instance. You know, we we recorded La Matt with
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: ed Rose and one of the bands that caused us
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: to want record with ed Rose was Coalesce. On the
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: night that we finished light a match in Kansas, we
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: went to the Bottleneck in Lawrence and saw reunited Coalesce.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: We had bought tickets weeks in a dance for them
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: so to be able to play Furnace and Coalesce is playing.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I don't even know what to say. I mean, that's
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: huge for us, you know, same, you know, getting to
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: see shi Halud again, that band. One of the reasons
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: we started Beautiful Mistake is because we were fans of
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: Shi Hallud. You know, Hearts Once Nourished is one of
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: those bands that are one of those albums that meant
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: a lot to us. In twenty twenty one, Mineral played.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: The only reason we're a band is because of Mineral,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: one of the bands and so means a lot to us.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: It's and it's super humbling to be included with a
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: lot of bands that are just really really meaningful to us.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: But then also peer bands too, like we love the
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Emery Dudes. We toured with them, Juliana Theory, Noise Ratchet.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: We played our first joke with Noise Ratchet in two thousand, So,
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: you know, Code seven just a ripping band, good dudes.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: You know, getting to be around people that we're friends
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: with Dogwood they're playing, so.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: We're big friends with Josh. He's one of the most
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: authentic people ever.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's great.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: When you talk to Josh, you should ask him about me.
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: I will I absolutely will.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: You know we went to high school together.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Oh did you what high school?
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Orange Glenn High School?
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: And asking what was your what was your mascot? Orange Glenn?
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: The Patriots? Patriots?
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: Patriots? All Right. The first thing we're gonna say when
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: we talked to Josh is, yeah, how what was it
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: like being an Orange Glenn Patriot?
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we go way back?
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: And what's your relationship to Jack?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Uh? We started Dogwood together.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's gonna that's not a joke. No, I know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: I know because because we actually had a brief conversation
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: about that as well. Uh, where do you Okay, before
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: we get going on on the rest of that, we've
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: had a lot We've had a lot of furnace fest
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: bands on this summer. Okay. The first person that has
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: like really like obviously dove into each of the like
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: some of the bands that you're really excited not only
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: to see but also just to be around again. This
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: is clearly like something that means a lot. I think
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: to some of the younger bands, maybe it doesn't mean
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: as much. They're like, oh, it's just another festival. But
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: this is not just another festival, right, This is this
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: is this is it's it's history in the making, but
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: it's also future in the making. And I think that's
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: why that this festival is such a special thing. And
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of sad that you know, it's ending, at
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: least it's in its current form. So from that perspective,
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: what do you think is, I don't know how to
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: put this for your for your personal part of this
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: legacy of this fest, what are you most excited about.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's just the camaraderie, you know. I think
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: it's the friendships that we've made over the years and
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: getting to see people and then also celebrate not only
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: celebrate their music that they've made that's not to us,
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: because we're not we're not just peers or friends.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: We're also right, yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: Not only just celebrating what they've done musically, but like
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: getting to talk with them and can reconnect with like
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: celebrating life that they have that's music or right music
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: their mom. I think that's a really cool part to see,
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: like where people have come, how far people have come
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: from the twenties, and and you know, I think we're
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: a special time and and I think we kind of
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: grew up with in the scene we were influenced by
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Strong Arms, Case Mineral, Jimmy orl Elliott Apple. You know,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: we were Colce Casket Lottery. We were influenced by all
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: these bands, and not just a superficial level. It was
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: a deep connection. And so I think being able to
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: see a lot of these bands again, who are legends,
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: stamp Case, Baying, Coalesce legends, sake. Yeah, but you know
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: what I mean, Yeah, seeing those bands get up there
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: and play, it's like just that kep of Yeah, this
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: was a really special era that music lives on without
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: furnace best, but what a special It's not a nostalgia best.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: It's not like going to see you know, Trickster and
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: La Guns and you know, I don't know Warrant without
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: Janey Lane, which is uh, it's like going to see
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: those bands in the County Fair and it's like eighties night.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Like that's nostalgia fact. This is this is this scene
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: was important before we got were there and while we
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: were there. Yeah, and it continues to resonate with people.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm working by their legend, bane legend legendary
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: and people heard them them and were inspired to start
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: a band m hm, or they heard them were like,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, what what onslaught of? Just positivity and joy? Yeah,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: and and realness. So I'm a big clearly, I'm a
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: big fan the Furnest Best experience.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, I love it.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean Colin and I have talked about this
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: ad nauseum at this point, but Furnest Fest for us
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: has always felt like a family reunion where it is
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: just like all these different bands, all of these different
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: fans that have known each other for likely many years,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: and obviously we're all fans of each other, and you
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: just like it's this one moment a year where we
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: get to all come together and you know, kind of
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: again experience it almost like a family reunion where we're
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: just able to be in one place at one time.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: You don't get a lot of that, but you get
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: this like really interesting mix of people from a variety
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: of different music scenes, from a variety of different generations,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: and they all come together and we're all kind of
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: one for one week, yeah, for one weekend, And you
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: just don't get that experience very much. I mean, there's
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: obviously there's bigger festivals that have this kind of music, uh,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: and you know they're they're playing in the summers. But
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: there's there's only really one Furnace fest where you get
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: like the organizers are, at the end of the day,
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: they're true fans. They're not just trying to like make
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: a quick buck from a bunch of music, like they're
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: just happy to break even. And that's like that's where
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: they're at because at the end of the day, they're
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: just wanting to bring in all of their friends from
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: all of these different bands, all their friends who are fans,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: and just bring them together and have this family reunion
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: for for like a weekend. Like that's just to me,
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: a really really cool experience, and you just don't really
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: get that anywhere else at any other music festival.
• 50:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think you almost even take that
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: one step further from from just like a purely fan perspective.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: It's I don't know about you guys, but like I
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: don't I don't get like a whole bunch of like
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: super emotional like moments throughout my year. Yeah, you know,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: you have a family and everything like that, you have
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: a job, you have to kind of keep things kind
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: of even keel, right, But I tell you what, when
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: I when I go see Blindside for instance, I'm going
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: to have an emotional moment where I'm just gonna probably
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: break down and just you know, get in touch with
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: my inner self a little bit more than I usually do.
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: And I find that part to be such a such
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: a freaking experience, you know, and maybe that'll happen to
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: a beautiful mistake. Who knows it's it's it's something that
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: you don't know what it's gonna come on. But I
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: think from a from a crowd perspective or a fan perspective,
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: it has some of the same feeling. Its that camaraderie
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: of like, hey, I'm safe to feel these feelings right here,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: right about now. And if i have some tears streamer
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: down my face because I'm just I'm just really in
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: the moment, you know, that's it's kind of a beautiful thing.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: You know. It was overwhelming in twenty one for me.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: I'm just speaking for myself. I know, I know my
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: bandmates had similar experiences, but talking to people, you know,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: I couldn't and start to cry, I couldn't keep it together.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I'd have to step away, you know, because people are
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: giving you love and you know you're a different person
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: than you were back in two thousand and two, and
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: you probably took it for granted back then and for
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: people to to sincerely, you know, share a story about, hey,
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: this got me through this tough time, or or hey,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: you know I got married to this and we danced
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: to this song or whatever. You know. I was continually
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: losing like the whole weekend, and and even just talking
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: to peers, guys I hadn't seen in along, just totally
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: losing it. I can't keep this together, like this is
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: an emotional this is heavy in a good way. Yeah,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: it was heavy.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, It's kind of funny how we don't we don't
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: experien a lot of experience a lot of those things
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: throughout you know, the typical year, you.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Know, or we don't allow ourselves.
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess a bigger part of it. Yeah.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well but Furnace Fast certainly brings that out of us.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: It really does.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. That's why it's special.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Certainly. Certainly. Well, we're excited to see you at Furnace Fast, Josh.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: But before we before the five weeks that we'll see you,
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: let's get into your top five most influential albums. You
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: ready for this?
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I'm ready.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I'm excited for this. I feel like, I feel like
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: you're gonna have some some very interesting routes. You're gonna
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: go here, no particular order.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what if I can do to ten?
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: If I could do top ten or Top twenty, I
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: could pull them. I'm gonna I'll do five. I'll be
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: respectful of the four good. But in the future you
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: should allow people some latitude with how many they want to.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: Let it usually, allow some grace for honorable mentions if
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: you want, but keep it to a lesson lesson lesson four.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: If you no particular order and no chronological or quicksand.
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: Slip oh yeah, hell yeah.
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: That record got me through high school. I was listening
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: to punk at the time, getting just you know, listening
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: to Like the Cure and stuff too. That record blew
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: my mind. It blows my mind today. I can put
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: it on right now and feel the same feelings of
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: I can get chills listening to that record, and I
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: love it. Quicksand Slip.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Post for just one second if you can, Mason, how
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: many episodes are we at right now? Roughly three?
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: No, we're like two hundred.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Two hundred episodes. We finally have a quicksand reference and
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: I've been waiting for it.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Are you joking?
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we're interviewing the wrong people.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: This is the first time we've had Quicksand on the
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: on the top five most influential, and I am here
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: for it, all right.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: And when we can go down the postcar hardcore rabbit hole,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: you have a whole nother set.
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: I will follow you down whatever hole you want.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: If you catch my awesome awesome uh you two. Joshua
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Tree I record as a kid, I could listen to
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: that record. I listened to that record once or twice
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: a week. It continually blows my mind. It is one
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: of the greatest records of all time in my opinion,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: and the Sonics everything about I live in the High Desert,
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: I live near Joshua Tree National Park. Everything about that
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: record speaks to me on so many levels.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: And I less that that's a band that I think
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are like, oh my god, they
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: were so influential, you know when in my twenties or whatever,
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: and like, but they they kind of have like stained
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: their reputation based on like some of their later stuff.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: And it's just that's just an interesting band, Like I
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: think probably Weezer's maybe similar vein where it's like they
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: were so influential for like you know, Blue album in particular,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: and then like their later stuff, it's like, oh, do
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I really like Weezer? Like it was that really you
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: almost have to like question yourself. But like you two
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: kind of feels like one of those bands where like
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: that album, we hear Joshua Tree pretty frequently and and
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: yet they're also like there is oftentimes this caveat of
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: like but also like I don't really like YouTube's like
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: latest stuff kind of thing.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, once I released everything from No Line on the
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: Horizon and I'm a super fan, Like I went to
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: two shows Spear in Vegas.
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: I was just gonna ask if you did that.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: I'm a mega fan. I love them. No Line on
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: the Horizon came out. Everything since then it's been garbage,
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: hot garbage. I hate it. I don't want anything to
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: do with it. I don't listen to it, I don't
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: support it. But anything before that, I'm pretty cool with
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: anything like Tree. All that you Can't Leave Behind is
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent gold to me, and I would argue.
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: All day about those Does Trace.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Not really a big fan of that song?
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: No?
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: For for real? That was actually the song that I'm like,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: oh wow, what happened to you two? Yeah, all right,
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: you're number three though, let's go.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Trace Smashing Pumpkins simeon stream.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: Hell yeah, my man.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, still to this day another record I could listen
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: to every day. Production on It's amazing. I was in
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: high school when that came, and just it's so big sending.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: The songs are amazing. Hummer is one of the greatest
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: songs ever for It's pissed, It's beautiful. I learned how
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: to play octaves because of that. I still play octaves
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: because of that.
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, going back to that last argument we just
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: had about you know, you two kind of like, you know,
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: kind of waning in their recent years you two or Sorry,
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: Smashing Pumpkins might be back their new record. I've heard
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: so far.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: It's not bad.
• 58:13
  Speaker 3: It's pretty damn good. They've had some stinkers in the
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: in the recent years, but man, this new records it
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: sounded really great so far.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some good songs on there. Four Mineral, but
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I love Power of Failing and Serenading is my face
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: more influential for me lyrically? I love that record. It's
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: it's a it's a beautiful record. It's a mineral and
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: serenading mm.
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: Hmm mineral reference too.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't get a lot of mineral, but like
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: should we should?
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: Absolutely should?
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah that lyrically that record just cuts me out.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: And yeah, here here's what I'll say about Mineral obviously,
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: like the early stuff is great, Aurora might be their best,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: like well they're you know, the two songs or whatever,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: but like Aurora, the song itself probably is their best song,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: at least in my opinion. I yeah, absolutely love that
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: song so much.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: There's a bookshelf. You can't see it behind me, but
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: have the Mineral book with the seven inch and oh
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: I love them. So okay, I'll go five and then
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: may I have an honorable mention?
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Just all allow it? Will allow it? Well, allow it?
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so snapcase progression through on learning.
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: Oh okay, okay, Sorry for hardcore records like that one
• 59:44
  Speaker 5: in strong Arm, Advent of Americle, and shy Halude Harts
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: ones Nourished, they all were influential for me getting me
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: into hardcore progression through on learning.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Harrison Berger, I can listen to the record over and
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: over again.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Every song it's so heavy, it's so rich, fantastic. Yes,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: and they're nice humans and it was positive and oh,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: I'm yeah. They're one of one of my favorite bands
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: of all time, but influential, like like for me making
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: music and then last record. Okay, this is gonna be
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: a little up there, and I'm so I love British
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: music like I'm I love brit bands. I love eighties
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: bands like The Verb or Jesus Mary Chain, New Order.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: Here are you going on? Was are you gonna go
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: to the Oasis on their reunion?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna try to get tickets. It's morning at two am.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: Is when I can try to get tickets. Oh what yeah,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: because they're selling them on England time and oh Pacific
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: standard time, so I have to figure out what time
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: I need to get up. I'm gonna try. I'm in
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: the key Oasis rules. The first records are awesome. The
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: rest of it, no thanks, but the first three, so
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: this last one is going to be a field. They're
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: one of my finger bands. Fugazi in on the Kill Taker.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's my favorite Fugazi record. Not everyone record.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: On either man.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: You've got three and so yeah, that would be like
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: influential for like wanting to start a band, wanting to
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: be in music. You know, we listened to Offspring and
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Bad Religion and Pennywise, like all those bands we were
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: listening to, but there was something about Fugazi when I
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: heard them where I was like, ooh, it's so aggressive.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: It's so aggressive and like pointed but very smart.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, musical, yeah, they're they're there is the different. I
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: was actually thinking about this recently from you know, listening
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: to a band like Fugazi versus some other bands. There
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: are bands where they might be really popular or even
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: beloved by fans. Yea, those fans are not starting bands
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: because of that band, right totally. Fugazi is one of
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: those bands that not only are they beloved, they the
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: people who love them started bands because of them. Whereas
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: like I think of a band and and this is
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: no shade to this band. I love this band. But
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: when I think of a band like switch Foot, I mean,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: you guys are San Diego guys. I think of a
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: band like Switchfoot, There's not too many people I've heard
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: say I started my band because of Switchfoot. That's no shade.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: Like I love switch Foot, I will like Colin and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: I both love switch Foot, but we don't get a
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: lot of people that would say, hey, I started a
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: band because of Switchfoot, whereas Fugazi people are starting bands
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: because of Fugazi. There's a huge difference between that.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: No, I agree. I mean you could I would say
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: the same thing about Sadi real Estate. You heard Diary,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: you went out and started a band, yeah, sou Ghazi. Uh,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's I mean, I think you could say
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: bad Religion. People heard Bad Religion for the first time,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: or the descendants for the first time, they're like, oh
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: my gosh, I'm starting a band. It was so amazing,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: Like black Flag. Yeah, yeah, you think it's.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Because do you think it's because that music is considered
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: relatively accessible musically.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like switch Foot's not accessible.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Right, But I mean, uh, I mean switch Foot, you
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: hear it on the radio and you you at least
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: like the average listener maybe thinks like, oh, there's no
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: way I could ever make something like that. But when
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: you listen to for Gazi, sometimes you hear like some
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: of that, like unbridled rage at times where you're like
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: I think I can maybe like.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Oh I see same thing with like me without you like,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh I could, like I can sing like Aaron.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that probably play a little bit like it's
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: harder into dream theater and go I'm gonna start a
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: prog metal band because you don't, right, you don't.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: You don't know how to should be like I could
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: Which you could listen to the Descendants and be and
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: maybe it seems a little more accessible from a music perspective,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: but then it all those bands I think were special
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: because they struck a nerve, they struck a chord with
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: people consistently, And I guess you could say it about
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: every band. I'm sure there's people that heard New Way
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: to Be Human when that came out and they're like,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go start a pop surf band whatever. And
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I'm not dissing. I'm just saying like, I'm sure every
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: band has that, But they're those bands that are just
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: like Seminal.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: Man.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: You know, you hear Snapcase. You want to start a
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: hardcore you hear Advent of a Miracle. You want to
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: start a Christian hardcore band, right, even if you're not
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: a Christian, you want to start Christian hardcore band because
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: they're so written.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Right, well, what's funny is all those Christian hardcore bands
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: were what they're actually doing as they were listening to
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: Pantera and they're like, I want to start a Christian
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: hardcore band.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's six feet deep. I love those dudes. I
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: love brands. They heard Pantera, you can do this.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: And the real trick, the real trick is like to
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: be the band that other bands are wanting, Like people
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: are like wanting to start a band because of you,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: and also you're like commercially very successful I think honestly,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Like obviously at a certain time, Smashing Pumpkins was one
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: of those bands, sure right, like commercially extremely successful and
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: they were the band that a lot of people were
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: starting bands because of them, or like Nirvana being another
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: example in the nineties, like they were the band or
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, maybe Foo Fighters kind of had
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: that vibe at some point I don't remember, but like I.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: Want to take it back to the sixties. I mean
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: it's it's velvet underground. That's like the original.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: Verb, like, yeah, velvet underground, like they were very commercially
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: yeah they were, yeah, exactly that. So it's like it's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: that that to me is like, oh you were next
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: level success when not only are you the band that
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: other people are wanting to become part of a band
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: or wanting to create a band because of and also
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: you're very commercially like very successful too. That's a whole thing.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: So anyway, cool, great list. Also, you can absolutely hear
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: your list in in a Beautiful Mistake without Yeah, It's
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's like, I mean, you can hear
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Mineral and you can hear Snapcase all in the same
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: song and a Beautiful Mistake. Yeah. Yeah, So yeah, yeah,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, like, as you're listening to these off,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, well that makes sense. You were
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: in Beautiful Mistake and you know we're not. We're not
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: thrown for a loop here. Yeah, I love it, Josh,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: what do you wanna plug? Obviously Fornsfest is coming up.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: Any other shows, it sounds like you guys are gonna
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: be playing with the band that shall be unnamed. But yeah,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: it sounds like you guys are gonna be playing some shows,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: including Furdusfest. But yeah, what do you want to plug?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll plug those on September twenty first, On Saturday
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: September twenty first, we are playing the Wired Tap Records
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: tenth anniversary ship. So they do a little festival every year.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Rob who runs Wired Tap Records, they put out You're
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: Not Broken. I Am there. We're getting to play their
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: tenth anniversary show with Note Motive and Go Betty Go
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: and Code Named Rocky and a bunch of other bands.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: So it's Punk's best. And where's this a in Irvine,
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: California at Hangar twenty four yeap free show, all ages.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: Sweet.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: We're really excited about that. And then the next night
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: we are doing a show in Oceanside, California at the Poorhouse.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: And so the Poorhouse is this bar. Well, it's like
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: a craft beer bar, but on Sundays they do all
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: ages shows. They can clear all the tables and it's
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: an all ages venues. So we are doing an early
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: show on the Sunday of the twenty second, five dollars
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: at the door. All ages show starts at four and
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: it's us and we are playing. Yeah, there's four bands
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: we are playing with the always Entertaining, the Undertaking exclamation Point,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: San Diego's finest hardcore band.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Never have heard of them.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Not not, I've never heard of that band in my life.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: They never do podcast the exclamation point. I mean, it
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: sounds like it really should be a question mark.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: It should really be a question mark.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: You're right, yeah, the undertaking. So yeah, because like, let's
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: let's be honest, nobody sees the undertaking and says undertaking
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: like as if they're saying is a quite like an
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: exclamation point. Anytime somebody brings up you ever heard of
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: the band Undertaking, people say the undertaking question question mark?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're like, yah, a beautiful mistake.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, I know them that we are. We are
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: doing an actual It's more of a favor to them,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: really because we love them. They're they're great humans.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Kind of you guys are such good people.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: We felt like they finally needed to start playing with
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: some heavy bands. So they're playing with US Citrus Junior Tigers,
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: and they're finally playing a bill with three super heavy bands. Yeah,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: no more, Oh we get to play with melo bands
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: and where the.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Same Wiggles Junior. Right, is what you're saying.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: Exactly, Amateur hour is over. Welcome to the big leagues,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: playing with some heavy bands. Now, Undertaking, they're gonna have
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: to step up their game.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, that's right, they can say they want
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: to play with better lovers someday. Well, you know, they
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: got to play some real musicians first.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Welcome to the everyone become welcome to the big motherfucker.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Five five dollars matinees.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it is kind of a nod to where
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: we came from. We plae BFW halls and and yeah,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: you know, community centers, and it was five bucks and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: it was all ages, and so for us, it's we
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: kind of get a kick out of it. And yeah,
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: you know, tickets aren't fifty five dollars. Not that I
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: think people should pay fifty five five dollars to see
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: us play, honestly, but yeah, five bucks, all ages, Sunday,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: September twenty second.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Heck care, that's awesome.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 3: That's it. That's a deal that you cannot refuse.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Now because even if we look, that's worth going after
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: for church.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have new merch. We're going to have a
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: new we're doing it. We did a repress of You're
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Not Broken on a different color vinyl for Furnace Best,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: So we may have them for that show, may not
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: have them, but you have to do find out.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: Did you do that through Jason Zeimet and uh an
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: original Vinyl or hot.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Nope, we just did it on our Our buddy Robs
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: from wire Tap helped us out.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: Okay, awesome, awesome, love it fun for furnace? Is your
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: merch also available online anywhere?
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: It will be We live under an an it or
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: computer literacy rock that we're not very granted bad stuff.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 2: So we will have a web store before furnaces.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: Awesome, there we.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: Go it, Josh, anything else you'd like to plug.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: I live in the high desert, and I live in
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: the middle of nowhere, and I give tours of areas
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: out here that have been visited by UFOs, have been
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: visited by You've heard a skin walker ranch, You've heard
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: like skin things like that. So I give desert tours
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: and I I take people out and we we look
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: for these creatures and communicate with them.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: We do What do you do when when you communicate
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: with them? What do you say? Because so here's here's
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: my ultimate, Well, how do you communicate if you don't
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: speak to them? You're just like, are is it like
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: a telepathic thing?
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more telepathic, like they can sense why you're
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: there and so.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: You're not like, you're not like communicating much more beyond
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: like why you're both there, There's no there's not much
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: like other information exchanging.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, you have to to find that out. I
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: can't if I tell you the purpose. But yeah, we talked,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: Wait what what do you have to do to them? You?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: But what on them?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: You?
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: What on them?
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: Again?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: What?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: What? What kind of tours are these? This? Definitely so,
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: I know you guys are doing an all ages show soon,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: but this does not seem like an all ages tour.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: This is not an all ages tour clearly, because the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: vibes that you are putting down or you are open to.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: Receiving, they vary, like it could vary very based on
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: the moment, based on you know, there's a lot of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: variables involved in the high desert.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: You never know what you're gonna get. It could be
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: ninety and sunny. It could be forty five with eighty
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: miles in our winds. But it could be exploring me
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: unknown with the un.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: And you know how you defined with could be variable itself.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: You know, this reminds me and Colin. I don't know
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: if you know this, Colin, but I have a one
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: of my fantasies in life is you know a lot
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: of people like they'll ghosts hunt and you know, you
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: see a ghost and a lot of people are like,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: oh my god, like they get just get scared, right yeah,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: when they run away. My my ultimate fantasy is if
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: I see a ghost, like an a real like full
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: body apparition, I want to have sex with it, Like
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to run away. Like to me,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, like if you're going to try to
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: like prove that you exist, the only way you can
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: prove your existence to me is let's uh, let's have sex.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: So that's my that's like my ultimate fantasy. And so
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: but I feel very I feel very similar about this tour.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: So you might I might be like your your ultimate customer,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: Like I am target demograph, you are a hundred I'm
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent your like market.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: What is your ghost type? What's your anomaly type?
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Me?
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: Are you asking me?
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: I'm asking you?
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: I I actually at this point I don't even care,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Like as long as the application, as long as the
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: apparition appears of age, I am, I don't care who
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: All right, it's a it's a it's grandma.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: It's a ghost, cullin, would you not have sex with
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Okay, if it's not concessionalists.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: And also as long as they appear to be of
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: like of age, then we're good. I like that.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: You too, that's good. I agree, it's good that respond.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just you know, if it was if it
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: was my grandma, like all right, like I'll you know,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: we there's plenty of other things I can think of
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: that I would like to. You know, she could prove
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: her existence to me as a ghostly form rather than
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: having sex with her. But but but anyone else, you know,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: for the most part, I'm I'm all the game. And
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: but again that includes extra trust your life as well.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: You gotta come to the High Das and take one
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: of my tours.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, does is iahwa Gat involved in this situation?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: Could be? Could not be? Could be?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: If it could be, then I'm mad. I want the
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: Air Rodgers treatment.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: Why come to the High Desert and balls the question?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: There's a reason why Bernie Man exists. There's no other
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: reason to go there.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: Instead of instead of an Aaron Rodgers experience, I want
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: a Jim Morrison experience. You know what I'm talking about?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, did he die in that?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: And not being that great of a band.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 3: Go listen to a Rider's on the Storm is written
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: about a moment when he was a child riding through
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: the desert and where he saw a Native American man
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: bleeding and also having a spiritual experience himself. And apparently
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: it's all about, you know, a trip that he had
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: that was also figurative and literal. So you know, you know,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 3: give me some Jim Morrison experience out there in Joshua
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: Tree and I'm in.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you want the Grand Parsons experience of my tour,
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: we just treatment your body in the middle of the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: desert and secretly beury.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: Cremated alive.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: That's an extra extra hundred.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: Dollars, only one hundred.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: I'm in that story right whereas he died and he
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: had asked if the manager came out like burned his
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: body and like he did somewhere without telling any else.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: The Famili's pissed, everybody's it's a nuts.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's not too much I wouldn't do for a
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks, So I get it.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: You give me a diet doctor Pepper, and I'm good.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: I'll do whatever you know what I will say, but
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: i'll play beautiful mistakes songs for a diet Doctor Pep.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: God, damn. Well, now we're in. You're you're on the
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: Forest Gump level there. I think that, Uh, I think
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: that anytime you're talking about cryptids or example, extraterrestials or
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: for life, I'm I'm I think Mason's definitely in. I'm
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: mostly in. Mason might have to convince me a little bit,
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: but I'm yeah, let's do it.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm clearly I'm in so far that.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 3: With ghosts even Yeah, there's.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: There's more than one members of my body that are in. Josh,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: you didn't know, you had no idea what you were
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: signing up.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: For, right, this is amazing. It's progressively gotten better.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Better is one way to put it.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: And it culminates just the end. It is just so big.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: Well it's not that big, but you know it's some.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: It's very climax.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Climax is a great way to put it, Josh. Climax
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: is a great way to put it. Yep. Well, uh
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: let's let's let's uh, let's not uh, you know, edge
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: this on too long. So uh yes, Josh, Uh, it's
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: great to chat with you. We're super excited. Five weeks
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: from now, we're gonna be able to to uh see you,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: hang out with you. We'll make sure we give you
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: a big hug and uh yeah, we're just super excited
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: to see Beautiful Mistake again, Ben lifelong fans. Uh So,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: we're just absolutely stoked to see you guys play at
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: least one other time. You know, who knows what's gonna
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: happen in the future after Furnace Fest. But yeah, we're
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: just absolutely stoked.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Do you have any songs you want to hear? I mean,
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: give me one song.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: It's like, how about how I always forget? Is it?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: Is it?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: Burnt out? And broken in? Is there is that?
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: How broken in I'm building?
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that one feels like a little bit
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: more of a rarity that would normally be an unlikely
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: one to be played, and I would be a big
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: fan to hear that one I can agree with.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll see what I can do. Obscare pick off
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: the Edison class Beautiful Mistakes.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: Honestly, it might be the first. I think it might
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: be the first Beautiful Mistakes song. I ever heard. Don't
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: ask me why that was, but it was.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: I like the I like I like the songs.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a fun one. I was a big game.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: So that that's my pick. I don't know about column,
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: but that's my pick.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would agree, Uh, I mean obviously
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: I would like to see I like to hear the
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: hits as well. I'm building especially, so yeah.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: There we go. Love it cool, all right, Josh, thank
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: you so much.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. This was awesome. I really appreciate. It's
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: always fun to do. Oh yeah,