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- 0:02Speaker 1: This is the Appetizer Hour with Brett Cain on demand.
- 0:06Speaker 1: Check out Brett weekday mornings at 6 on Altitude Sports
- 0:10Speaker 1: Radio 92.5 and on the Altitude Sports Radio app.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Biggest win of the season for the Columbus Blue Jackets.
- 0:23Speaker 2: Worst loss of the.
- 0:24Speaker 1: Season for the Colorado Avalanche.
- 0:28Speaker 2: A forgettable night on a Tuesday in Ohio.
- 0:30Speaker 3: Final score, Blue.
- 0:33Speaker 2: Jackets wearing gray, 7, the Avalanche 2. Yeah, that's got
- 0:40Speaker 2: to stop. You know, there is a.
- 0:45Speaker 3: Certain argument to be made about early in the season and, hey,
- 0:50Speaker 3: they're still trying to get their feet under them and blah, blah, blah.
- 0:54Speaker 3: And then there's an argument to be made that if
- 0:56Speaker 3: you're a championship contending team Just things like this are unacceptable.
- 1:02Speaker 3: And the wave that you're riding on a night-to-night basis
- 1:08Speaker 3: is not what championship-level hockey is. And if you continue
- 1:12Speaker 3: to do this, you build bad habits. And those are
- 1:15Speaker 3: bad habits you just can't have. Whatever you want to
- 1:17Speaker 3: say about last season, this is why this stuff kind
- 1:19Speaker 3: of bothers me. I don't want to pretend like the
- 1:22Speaker 3: regular season doesn't matter or mean anything.
- 1:28Speaker 2: It does. It means a lot. What I will tell
- 1:32Speaker 2: you is this, that.
- 1:36Speaker 3: When you have a season like you did last year,
- 1:40Speaker 3: you know, you didn't suffer your fourth regular season, or
- 1:44Speaker 3: I'm sorry, regulation loss of the year until January.
- 1:49Speaker 2: You're rolling. You were the.
- 1:51Speaker 3: Best team in hockey from the start of the season
- 1:54Speaker 3: to the finish of the season, at least up until
- 1:56Speaker 3: the Western Conference Final. To me, a fine line in
- 2:06Speaker 3: between going back, looking at what you've accomplished, and taking
- 2:12Speaker 3: some pride in that, and also realizing when you are
- 2:17Speaker 3: in championship mode and you've been there for years, you
- 2:23Speaker 3: want to build those habits in the regular season, but
- 2:25Speaker 3: at the end of the day, the only thing that
- 2:27Speaker 3: truly matters is.
- 2:30Speaker 2: Did you hoist the trophy or not?
- 2:33Speaker 3: This kind of stuff scares the hell out of me
- 2:37Speaker 3: because this is building bad habits. You know, you have
- 2:44Speaker 3: this stretch of games where the first, you know, I
- 2:50Speaker 3: would say the first seven, eight, nine games of the season,
- 2:57Speaker 3: You played really well. You really had one clunker in there,
- 3:00Speaker 3: which was the Toronto game. You didn't win all of
- 3:04Speaker 3: these games, but you were in it. And really what's
- 3:07Speaker 3: taken place ever since, if you were to pinpoint one
- 3:11Speaker 3: of them, it basically would be Nashville. And maybe a
- 3:16Speaker 3: little bit earlier than that, maybe it was New Jersey.
- 3:21Speaker 2: But I would say for the last two weeks.
- 3:25Speaker 3: It's been pretty unacceptable hockey for how good this team
- 3:28Speaker 3: should be. You can't have a game in which you
- 3:32Speaker 3: go out against Tampa and you win six to three
- 3:35Speaker 3: and you follow that up with a six to two loss.
- 3:39Speaker 3: And then you come back the next three games and
- 3:41Speaker 3: you win five to two. But some of those games
- 3:44Speaker 3: you're dropping down, you're down two to nothing to start
- 3:46Speaker 3: a game. You battle your way back and the score
- 3:50Speaker 3: looks a little bit better than maybe what the game felt.
- 3:54Speaker 3: You're playing Columbus. Columbus is not, you know, isn't one
- 4:04Speaker 3: of the best teams in the league. They're not a
- 4:08Speaker 3: good team. There is no excuse to have a night
- 4:11Speaker 3: like that. And I think we'll talk to Jared Bednar
- 4:15Speaker 3: today at nine o'clock and I'm sure he's not going
- 4:17Speaker 3: to be happy because look, he wasn't happy after the
- 4:20Speaker 3: game either. And he talked about the idea. It's something
- 4:23Speaker 3: we asked last week about this jumping up and down.
- 4:26Speaker 3: Like one game is great. The next game, like there's
- 4:29Speaker 3: no in-between. You're either playing at an incredibly high level
- 4:34Speaker 3: where you look like the team that all Avs fans
- 4:36Speaker 3: hope they're going to get this year, or you look
- 4:39Speaker 3: like a team that doesn't know how to play hockey.
- 4:44Speaker 3: You need to figure out how to have some sort
- 4:48Speaker 3: of success on a bad night. How to push through
- 4:55Speaker 3: and not have a bad night turn into a vomit-inducing night.
- 5:01Speaker 2: And here's Bednar after the game.
- 5:02Speaker 4: Because, well, we're a fifth of the way through the
- 5:05Speaker 4: year now. So now I have to change my approach
- 5:08Speaker 4: is to.
- 5:10Speaker 4: Because I feel like you've got to be patient for
- 5:12Speaker 4: a little bit in the season. And we have been.
- 5:16Speaker 4: We've talked about a lot of things. And then we
- 5:18Speaker 4: show some promise and play some good games. And that's
- 5:21Speaker 4: the thing. It's hot, cold, hot, cold right now. So
- 5:24Speaker 4: it's about consistency. So now I have to sort of
- 5:27Speaker 4: change my approach and the way I handle the inconsistencies
- 5:31Speaker 4: in our game.
- 5:34Speaker 2: I think he's totally right.
- 5:36Speaker 3: You give this some time at the beginning of the
- 5:37Speaker 3: season for guys maybe to iron some things out. You know,
- 5:42Speaker 3: when you're a team that's competing at a high level
- 5:45Speaker 3: for years, you're making the playoffs, you're competing for championships,
- 5:48Speaker 3: you've participated in a Western Conference final last year, you
- 5:53Speaker 3: get late in the season, you got to give it
- 5:56Speaker 3: a second just to make sure that it's not laziness
- 6:02Speaker 3: is the wrong word, but there's maybe, you know, a
- 6:05Speaker 3: bigger lack of motivation at the beginning of the season
- 6:08Speaker 3: to be super on your details because, you know, hey, man,
- 6:13Speaker 3: we're in October. Hopefully, we're going to be playing in
- 6:17Speaker 3: May and June. That's a long ways away. It's hard
- 6:21Speaker 3: to keep yourself maybe motivated then, but it's too long
- 6:25Speaker 3: into the year. It's not good enough. When you got
- 6:28Speaker 3: your top guys, your McKinnons, your Natcheses, your Lekanins, your McCars,
- 6:33Speaker 3: and your Taves at dash threes.
- 6:37Speaker 2: Can't happen.
- 6:41Speaker 3: We're too good for it. And that sort of number
- 6:48Speaker 3: has been there quite a bit this year. But now
- 6:54Speaker 3: you need to change your approach. You need to be
- 6:56Speaker 3: more judicious with who gets ice time and who doesn't. Like,
- 7:02Speaker 3: I even think on things like, you can go some
- 7:06Speaker 3: pretty drastic measures here. You know, the power play was
- 7:10Speaker 3: one for three last night, big deal. You can talk, literally,
- 7:15Speaker 3: I think anything is kind of on the table. You know,
- 7:20Speaker 3: you really want to shake things up, really shake things up.
- 7:27Speaker 3: Maybe you take some of your top dogs off the
- 7:29Speaker 3: power play and just say, hey, if this isn't working,
- 7:32Speaker 3: then we're going to find out who can do it
- 7:35Speaker 3: and who will do it. All I'm saying is this
- 7:42Speaker 3: result is becoming a lot more of a concern than
- 7:48Speaker 3: maybe anybody previously thought it would be.
- 7:54Speaker 2: You have a roster... that is made and built to
- 7:58Speaker 2: win a title. They are.
- 8:01Speaker 3: They were pretty damn close last year. A bad week
- 8:06Speaker 3: ruined all their hopes and dreams.
- 8:08Speaker 2: Okay.
- 8:10Speaker 3: The hunger and motivation should be back this year in
- 8:13Speaker 3: even a more intense way, and it doesn't feel like
- 8:17Speaker 3: it's that. Goalie couldn't make a stop. Defense couldn't do
- 8:23Speaker 3: anything in front of the goalie.
- 8:24Speaker 2: You got nothing.
- 8:26Speaker 3: Going in the offensive side, it just felt like everything
- 8:31Speaker 3: was far too difficult. And it's been like that too
- 8:35Speaker 3: many times this year. Bottom line is, the Avalanche know
- 8:40Speaker 3: what their goals are. They know what they should be.
- 8:43Speaker 3: They know where they should go this year. These kind
- 8:48Speaker 3: of habits that are being built cannot be something that
- 8:51Speaker 3: you just shrug off anymore. Because it's not okay. And
- 8:57Speaker 3: I think the players are very aware of that. But
- 9:03Speaker 3: this would be even a different story if you were
- 9:05Speaker 3: dealing with some big injuries. You know, if you had
- 9:08Speaker 3: McCarr or McKinnon out of the lineup. But that's not happening.
- 9:13Speaker 3: Are guys out?
- 9:13Speaker 2: Sure. But that's every hockey team in the league.
- 9:22Speaker 3: This is a team that just needs to figure it
- 9:23Speaker 3: the hell out in a hurry. And the text just says,
- 9:27Speaker 3: do you think the start of the season is some
- 9:30Speaker 3: kind of hangover from the way last season ended?
- 9:32Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. Like, I thought maybe it could
- 9:36Speaker 2: have been earlier in the year.
- 9:41Speaker 3: Like, when they had this sort of up and down
- 9:43Speaker 3: in the first two, three weeks of the season, yeah, perhaps.
- 9:49Speaker 3: Maybe you look back and you're like, it's exactly what
- 9:51Speaker 3: I was just talking about.
- 9:53Speaker 2: Man, we want to be playing in May and June,
- 9:55Speaker 2: and it's only October. What are we going to do?
- 9:58Speaker 3: I mean, the first game of the year was September 3rd.
- 10:03Speaker 3: September 30th to mid-May is a long ways away. But
- 10:11Speaker 3: we're past that point.
- 10:12Speaker 2: 9-6-1 9-6-1 16.
- 10:19Speaker 3: Games into the year. It's a fifth of the way
- 10:22Speaker 3: through the season-ish. It's now not just like some small, well,
- 10:27Speaker 3: it's the fourth game of the year. Eh, maybe this happens.
- 10:30Speaker 3: It's not that anymore. You should be starting to hit
- 10:35Speaker 3: a stride in a rhythm. You know, the Avs did
- 10:39Speaker 3: this to other teams last year where they created such
- 10:42Speaker 3: a gigantic separation so early in the season that nobody
- 10:46Speaker 3: was able to come back from it. I'm not saying
- 10:49Speaker 3: that anybody's in that territory right now, but look around
- 10:52Speaker 3: the league. Edmonton is playing at an incredibly high level.
- 10:55Speaker 3: They got 25 points in 16 games. Minnesota has 25
- 10:58Speaker 3: points in 17 games.
- 10:58Speaker 2: Vegas, 22 in 17. You need to be able to
- 11:04Speaker 2: keep pace.
- 11:13Speaker 3: And the issue necessarily is not what their record is overall.
- 11:17Speaker 3: Their record is okay. But it's when they're losing, how
- 11:23Speaker 3: are you losing like that? And especially what's happening on
- 11:26Speaker 3: the road. You know, we can talk about the second
- 11:29Speaker 3: leg of a back-to-back all we want to. We know
- 11:31Speaker 3: what this team has been. They've been excellent on those.
- 11:36Speaker 4: Excellent.
- 11:42Speaker 3: But all I'm saying is, this is the time of
- 11:45Speaker 3: year where you build your habits for later in the season.
- 11:50Speaker 3: And these are not habits that you want to build.
- 11:52Speaker 3: And once again, the biggest thing that I think has
- 11:56Speaker 3: to get fixed, you need to stop this going down
- 12:00Speaker 3: 2-0 early in games. You got to stop putting yourself
- 12:05Speaker 3: in a hole. I mean, for the second time, you
- 12:09Speaker 3: give up a goal within the first minute of the game.
- 12:11Speaker 3: And then you take a penalty. Opposing team scores on
- 12:15Speaker 3: a power play. Now it's 2-0. Yeah, McCarr gets a
- 12:18Speaker 3: goal shortly after that to make it 2-1, but still.
- 12:22Speaker 3: You are leaving yourself no margin for error. Weird stuff's
- 12:25Speaker 3: going to happen in a hockey game. You're going to
- 12:26Speaker 3: get a bad bounce. You're going to get a good
- 12:29Speaker 3: screen or a good deflection from the opposing team that
- 12:33Speaker 3: finds the back of your net. But if you're down 2-0,
- 12:41Speaker 3: now all of a sudden, that feels like it becomes insurmountable.
- 12:49Speaker 3: So again, Avs lose 7-2 against Columbus last night in
- 12:55Speaker 3: what McGahee called it, I think accurately, the best game
- 12:58Speaker 3: of the year for Columbus and the worst game of
- 13:00Speaker 3: the year for the Avs. But Jared Bednar will be
- 13:03Speaker 3: on this program at 9 o'clock this morning and he
- 13:05Speaker 3: will give you his full thoughts on the game. Again,
- 13:11Speaker 3: He's talking about Noel. Now we need to change some things.
- 13:16Speaker 3: In fact, Nelly, can you recue that clip? Because I
- 13:19Speaker 3: think it's pretty accurate in the way that you should
- 13:21Speaker 3: be thinking as the head coach of the Avs right now.
- 13:23Speaker 4: Listen.
- 13:26Speaker 2: Sorry. Sorry. The one that you just ran again. I
- 13:28Speaker 2: think it's a good answer.
- 13:29Speaker 3: Between you want to give it some time to make
- 13:32Speaker 3: sure you aren't being like too quick on the trigger.
- 13:36Speaker 2: But at some point, enough's enough. Here's what Bednar said.
- 13:38Speaker 4: Well, we're a fifth of the way through the year now.
- 13:42Speaker 4: So now I have to change my approach. Because I
- 13:47Speaker 4: feel like you've got to be patient for a little
- 13:48Speaker 4: bit in the season. And we have been. We've talked
- 13:52Speaker 4: about a lot of things. And then we show some
- 13:55Speaker 4: promise and play some good games. And that's the thing.
- 13:58Speaker 4: It's hot, cold, hot, cold right now. So it's about consistency.
- 14:01Speaker 4: So now I have to... like sort of change my
- 14:04Speaker 4: approach and the way I handle the inconsistencies in our game.
- 14:08Speaker 3: So we'll talk to Jared Bednar at nine o'clock this morning,
- 14:10Speaker 3: three Oh three five Oh four Oh nine two five
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- 14:16Speaker 3: back after this, do it every week following the NFL weekend.
- 14:19Speaker 3: It is NFL stock up stock down. We always start
- 14:22Speaker 3: with the quarterbacks. Nelly stock up.
- 14:28Speaker 2: Man.
- 14:28Speaker 3: Caleb Williams is really having a good year. in games
- 14:34Speaker 3: that he has played now he's lost a game in
- 14:41Speaker 3: which he started and that was the Minnesota game early
- 14:43Speaker 3: in the season that's when he went down and with
- 14:46Speaker 3: the hamstring and got carded off the field now you
- 14:48Speaker 3: can say well he got carded off that game was
- 14:52Speaker 3: a monsoon and nobody was playing well offensively but every
- 14:56Speaker 3: game other than that he has been unbelievably good and
- 15:01Speaker 3: The most impressive thing about Caleb Williams to me and
- 15:05Speaker 3: what's gotten me on board where I wasn't fully on
- 15:08Speaker 3: board from last year. Last year was a fun year.
- 15:11Speaker 3: Chicago was a good football team. He made some highlight
- 15:13Speaker 3: reel plays. Bottom line is Caleb Williams was not accurate
- 15:20Speaker 3: in throwing the football. He had a completion percentage of
- 15:23Speaker 3: 58% last year. That is not NFL caliber. That's certainly
- 15:28Speaker 3: not elite caliber. You cannot have consistent success completing 58%
- 15:32Speaker 3: of your passes. Saw a graphic during the Bears game
- 15:37Speaker 3: Monday night that Caleb Williams' off-target throw percentage last year
- 15:44Speaker 3: was somewhere in the ballpark of 30%. It's now down
- 15:47Speaker 3: to like 12%. Now that he's completing 71% of his passes,
- 15:53Speaker 3: this offense can go as far as they want to.
- 15:55Speaker 3: Now he's got a great running game behind him with
- 15:57Speaker 3: DeAndre Swift, and eventually when he gets healthy again, Kyle Menungai.
- 16:01Speaker 3: But he's got the probably best play caller in the
- 16:07Speaker 3: NFL for his head coach calling the plays for him.
- 16:11Speaker 2: He's set up for success, but.
- 16:16Speaker 3: The way that he has gone about his business in
- 16:19Speaker 3: just dialing up damn near perfect throws every time he
- 16:23Speaker 3: drops back has been incredibly impressive, and I think it
- 16:27Speaker 3: gives the Bears the argument for maybe they are the
- 16:29Speaker 3: best team in the NFL. But Caleb Williams this season,
- 16:32Speaker 3: six touchdowns, one pick, 1,200 yards. He's got a quarterback
- 16:37Speaker 3: rating of 104.6. He's been phenomenal.
- 16:40Speaker 2: He gets the stock up. Let's go quarterback stock down.
- 16:43Speaker 5: Can I do a quick celeb shot for this one?
- 16:45Speaker 3: Sure.
- 16:45Speaker 5: Anyone who plays quarterback for the Baltimore Football Ravens, stock down.
- 16:51Speaker 3: Very astute observation. Not where I was going to go,
- 16:56Speaker 3: but the disrespect you've shown to Joe Fagnano.
- 17:03Speaker 2: As you're half Italian or something, aren't you, Nelly? How
- 17:06Speaker 2: dare you?
- 17:10Speaker 3: My stock down is Michael Penix. You can't lose a
- 17:13Speaker 3: football game to a team that didn't throw a forward pass.
- 17:16Speaker 3: And not only did you lose, you lost by 16 points.
- 17:18Speaker 3: You lost 16 to nothing to a team that didn't
- 17:21Speaker 3: complete a forward pass. Michael Penix Jr. was 8 of
- 17:24Speaker 3: 24 throwing the football for 125 yards and four interceptions.
- 17:28Speaker 4: Four!
- 17:30Speaker 2: He has five picks on the year. Four came in
- 17:34Speaker 2: this last game.
- 17:34Speaker 3: He's actually been pretty decent over the couple of weeks
- 17:37Speaker 3: prior to that. Two consecutive three touchdown performances. I understand that, again, monsoon,
- 17:44Speaker 3: windy conditions. But if you get dialed up to go
- 17:48Speaker 3: make a throw, you cannot make a throw into traffic
- 17:51Speaker 3: or into trouble in a game where points are going
- 17:56Speaker 3: to be a premium.
- 17:58Speaker 2: And I understand he's still a young player.
- 17:59Speaker 3: You know, he's 26 years old, but with all the injuries,
- 18:03Speaker 3: he doesn't have that much playing time at the NFL level.
- 18:07Speaker 3: You lose a game to a team that didn't complete
- 18:08Speaker 3: a forward pass and you got some issues. It's more about,
- 18:13Speaker 3: for him, consistency. He's been pretty good this year as
- 18:16Speaker 3: a starter.
- 18:16Speaker 2: He's been decent.
- 18:18Speaker 3: Really, ever since he took over, the Falcons have looked
- 18:21Speaker 3: like a competent football team where prior to that, They
- 18:25Speaker 3: looked like they might be the worst team in the
- 18:27Speaker 3: NFL when they were throwing out Jack Strands at quarterback
- 18:30Speaker 3: for a second.
- 18:32Speaker 2: But any week in which you go 8 of 24.
- 18:34Speaker 3: And you throw four interceptions and you lose 16 to
- 18:37Speaker 3: nothing to a team that didn't complete a forward pass,
- 18:39Speaker 3: guess what? You're going to be on the stock down list.
- 18:42Speaker 3: So Michael Panics gets the stock down. Let's go non-quarterback
- 18:44Speaker 3: stock up. This guy is a very interesting character. So
- 18:52Speaker 3: let me take you back. I was doing radio in Lincoln, Nebraska.
- 18:58Speaker 3: They played against the Wisconsin Badgers. I can't remember exactly
- 19:02Speaker 3: which year this was, but they were doing pregame, showing
- 19:06Speaker 3: the players on the field, and they highlighted this guy.
- 19:09Speaker 3: He was 17 years old at the time, and he
- 19:13Speaker 3: was massive, like 6'2, 220 pounds, looked every bit a
- 19:19Speaker 3: 30-year-old man at 17 years old, and I said, who
- 19:23Speaker 3: is that guy? It's Braylon Allen. So he's in New York.
- 19:27Speaker 3: He plays for the Jets. It's bad news for anybody
- 19:29Speaker 3: who plays in New York because the Jets stink. But
- 19:32Speaker 3: was injured last year. Didn't really get a chance to shine.
- 19:36Speaker 3: This year he's been healthy. And as the season has
- 19:39Speaker 3: gone along, he's become the feature back in New York.
- 19:44Speaker 3: Taking duties away from Brees Hall, who's a pretty damn
- 19:47Speaker 3: good back, this last week. 21 carries, 147 yards, and
- 19:52Speaker 3: a touchdown in a 38-33.
- 19:54Speaker 2: Loss to the Raiders.
- 19:56Speaker 3: But three out of the last four weeks, Braylon Allen
- 20:00Speaker 3: has ran for at least 100 yards. He's averaging five
- 20:04Speaker 3: yards per carry on the season. 565 rushing yards is
- 20:09Speaker 3: 10th in the NFL this year. And if you think
- 20:12Speaker 3: about it from the standpoint of he really didn't start
- 20:14Speaker 3: getting the bulk of the carries until four weeks ago,
- 20:18Speaker 3: it's highly impressive what he's done in a short amount
- 20:20Speaker 3: of time.
- 20:21Speaker 2: He has been so good.
- 20:23Speaker 3: That Brees Hall, who was previously thought to be, I
- 20:26Speaker 3: don't want to say untouchable, but pretty close to it
- 20:30Speaker 3: in New York, has now become somebody who's potentially a
- 20:32Speaker 3: trade candidate. Because they're like, we're fine. We'll just roll
- 20:36Speaker 3: with this guy. But look at Braylon Allen just from
- 20:39Speaker 3: a size standpoint. He's damn near 240 pounds and incredibly fast.
- 20:46Speaker 3: You get very rarely people with a combination of that
- 20:51Speaker 3: type of size with that speed that exists in the backfield.
- 20:56Speaker 3: You get the rare freaks like Derrick Henry who can
- 20:59Speaker 3: do things like that. But he is a massive load
- 21:02Speaker 3: to take down.
- 21:04Speaker 2: He is.
- 21:06Speaker 3: Somebody that if he's got a step on you, he's
- 21:08Speaker 3: going to run by you. It's a shame that he's
- 21:11Speaker 3: doing this for the Jets in games that you'll never
- 21:14Speaker 3: see nor care about. But Braylon Allen is a monster.
- 21:19Speaker 3: So he gets a stock up. Let's go non-quarterback stock down.
- 21:24Speaker 3: I rarely do this, but I feel like I have to.
- 21:26Speaker 3: Anyone who plays for the Indianapolis Colts offense, they've all
- 21:32Speaker 3: just given up. Jonathan Taylor is checked out. He wants
- 21:35Speaker 3: to be on a contending team, which is going to happen,
- 21:37Speaker 3: I would assume, in the next six days.
- 21:40Speaker 2: Hopefully here.
- 21:41Speaker 3: But there is not a single person on that team
- 21:44Speaker 3: that you could look at that you're like, that person's
- 21:45Speaker 3: having a good time. Doesn't mean they're bad players. Like
- 21:50Speaker 3: Tyler Warren's a very good player. He had four catches
- 21:52Speaker 3: for 18 yards this last week.
- 21:54Speaker 4: Why?
- 21:54Speaker 2: Because the Colts are terrible.
- 21:57Speaker 3: And I think they're finally making the decision to move
- 22:00Speaker 3: on from Daniel Jones to go back to Anthony Richardson.
- 22:03Speaker 3: Maybe that can provide somewhat of a spark, perhaps. But
- 22:08Speaker 3: you got Jonathan Taylor who wants out. You want, or
- 22:12Speaker 3: you got Josh Downs who wants out.
- 22:14Speaker 2: I can only imagine.
- 22:16Speaker 3: Keenan Allen, who's 34 years old, is like, I'm sticking
- 22:20Speaker 3: around the NFL for this nonsense.
- 22:23Speaker 2: It's crazy.
- 22:24Speaker 3: But I've never quite seen a team, you know, just
- 22:26Speaker 3: a few days after trading away Quentin Nelson and DeForest Buckner,
- 22:29Speaker 3: two of the better veteran players on that roster. I
- 22:34Speaker 3: can't remember the last time I've seen a team in,
- 22:38Speaker 3: you know, the aftermath of a couple of their big
- 22:40Speaker 3: dogs being traded, just saying, oh, they're traded, then we're
- 22:43Speaker 3: all giving up. Because that's exactly what happened when the
- 22:46Speaker 3: Colts played the Jags this week.
- 22:48Speaker 2: Jags win that game 42-7. And it was immediately.
- 22:53Speaker 3: jumped on with a 28 to nothing halftime lead. So
- 22:57Speaker 3: if you play offense for the Indianapolis Colts, congratulations, you get.
- 23:00Speaker 2: The stock down. Take that L on the way out.
- 23:03Speaker 2: Let's go NFL team stock up.
- 23:08Speaker 3: I'm going to go against my principles on this. I
- 23:10Speaker 3: typically don't reward people for not being very good on offense,
- 23:14Speaker 3: but I feel like I got to say something.
- 23:17Speaker 2: I think it's the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And here's why.
- 23:21Speaker 2: They're going to have a rough go of it in the.
- 23:22Speaker 3: Next couple of weeks because they are at Chicago this week,
- 23:27Speaker 3: and then they are at Detroit after a bye in
- 23:30Speaker 3: a couple of weeks after that. But they've won two
- 23:34Speaker 3: football games consecutively in blowout fashion, one of which they
- 23:40Speaker 3: didn't complete a forward pass. The other, they completed seven
- 23:44Speaker 3: passes for 50 yards. And it's because their.
- 23:47Speaker 2: Running game with.
- 23:51Speaker 3: Kenneth Gainwell and why am I blanking on the other
- 23:55Speaker 3: running back is very, Bucky Irving, knew I'd get there.
- 23:59Speaker 2: Those two guys in the backfield are monsters.
- 24:02Speaker 3: They combined for 300 yards rushing this last week. If
- 24:06Speaker 3: you go back to the Carolina game, it's the same
- 24:09Speaker 3: sort of story. Bucky Irving goes for 106 yards on
- 24:13Speaker 3: the ground. Kenny Gainwell goes for 88. Hell, they got
- 24:17Speaker 3: another running back named Sean Tucker. who's even running the
- 24:19Speaker 3: football pretty well for him this year when he gets
- 24:21Speaker 3: an opportunity. Point is, this football team did that and
- 24:26Speaker 3: got those wins in back-to-back weeks against divisional opponents. And
- 24:30Speaker 3: guess what? The NFC South is so dog poo that
- 24:35Speaker 3: this team might not need to throw forward passes to
- 24:38Speaker 3: win the damn division. Like, I have a hard time
- 24:42Speaker 3: believing that Baker Mayfield, who I think is third in
- 24:44Speaker 3: the NFL over the last two years.
- 24:47Speaker 2: In touchdown passes.
- 24:49Speaker 3: That he won't just start connecting in the passing game
- 24:52Speaker 3: and finding guys. But God, it makes it easier if
- 24:55Speaker 3: you don't have to. If you can just hand the
- 24:57Speaker 3: ball off to two really talented running backs. But the
- 25:00Speaker 3: NFC South is such a mess. Like, the Bucs were
- 25:02Speaker 3: dead and gone. They were starting Jalen Daniels, an undrafted rookie,
- 25:06Speaker 3: at quarterback for weeks. And nobody could build a big
- 25:09Speaker 3: enough cushion to pull away from them. Now, all of
- 25:11Speaker 3: a sudden, it looks like they're the favorites to win it.
- 25:14Speaker 3: Like I said, I think the Bucs.
- 25:16Speaker 2: Are in for a wood route. A wood route.
- 25:19Speaker 3: Rude awakening the next two games that they play at
- 25:22Speaker 3: Chicago and at Detroit.
- 25:25Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter. Can you beat your divisional opponents?
- 25:29Speaker 3: Because if you go, you know, 6-0 in the division,
- 25:33Speaker 3: you're probably winning that day. Because I think eight is
- 25:36Speaker 3: the number you got to get to to win it.
- 25:39Speaker 3: So the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, they get the stock up.
- 25:41Speaker 3: Let's go NFL team stock down. Yes, Baltimore. Three straight losses,
- 25:48Speaker 3: 36-10 this last week. They just got Lamar Jackson back,
- 25:54Speaker 3: and on the first play of the game, his thumb
- 25:56Speaker 3: gets rearranged to another side of his body, so now
- 25:58Speaker 3: he's out for a long time. There's questions about, is
- 26:02Speaker 3: that his last snap in Baltimore, period? And then you
- 26:05Speaker 3: have Tyler Huntley, who was, for them, a reliable-ish backup. Well,
- 26:10Speaker 3: he goes down in that game with a turf toe.
- 26:12Speaker 3: He's not going to play anytime soon. So they're going
- 26:15Speaker 3: to this guy named Joe Fagnano. He's now starting for them.
- 26:19Speaker 3: I believe they play tomorrow, don't they?
- 26:20Speaker 1: Yes.
- 26:21Speaker 2: Against Jacksonville. They're going to get worked by Jacksonville.
- 26:24Speaker 5: And you can listen to that blowout on AM 950
- 26:27Speaker 5: right here.
- 26:27Speaker 2: Correct.
- 26:30Speaker 3: They're going to lose their fourth straight, but right now
- 26:32Speaker 3: they're four and four. I just don't see any way
- 26:35Speaker 3: that they become competitive enough to find a playoff spot
- 26:38Speaker 3: in a really difficult AFC. Like, they feel like they're
- 26:41Speaker 3: done this year, and I don't know what's going to
- 26:43Speaker 3: happen afterwards because they already made the major decision of
- 26:46Speaker 3: moving on from John Harbaugh.
- 26:47Speaker 2: They did that.
- 26:49Speaker 3: Now they're going to face a decision of, do we
- 26:51Speaker 3: move on from Lamar Jackson? And there's somebody, like, after
- 26:54Speaker 3: the game gets played tomorrow, I think you might start
- 26:59Speaker 3: hearing some rumors about Derrick Henry being on the market.
- 27:02Speaker 3: If you're having questions about doing maybe a restart at
- 27:05Speaker 3: the end of the year, there's no point in Derrick
- 27:08Speaker 3: Henry still being on that roster and he's still immensely valuable.
- 27:12Speaker 3: But gosh, that team is hurting in the worst way
- 27:16Speaker 3: right now. So they get the stock down. Let's go
- 27:19Speaker 3: MVP stock up. This might be the year that a
- 27:24Speaker 3: non-quarterback wins this award. You know, we talked a lot
- 27:27Speaker 3: about Kenneth Walker. I think Jameer Gibbs is making a
- 27:32Speaker 3: severe case to be the league MVP. He's got 773
- 27:37Speaker 3: rushing yards. He's got eight rushing touchdowns this year. He's
- 27:41Speaker 3: got two touchdowns through the air and 285 yards receiving.
- 27:44Speaker 3: In the last three weeks, all of them, 100-yard rushing attempt,
- 27:50Speaker 3: or sorry, rushing yards in each one of those games. 151, 116, 153.
- 27:59Speaker 3: He's got 430 yards on the ground in the last
- 28:03Speaker 3: three weeks. And if you watch the plays that he makes,
- 28:07Speaker 3: does the Lions offensive line open up holes for them?
- 28:10Speaker 4: They do.
- 28:11Speaker 2: Do they have a good scheme on offense and good players? Yes,
- 28:14Speaker 2: they do.
- 28:15Speaker 3: But sometimes there's just plays where Jameer Gibbs says, you
- 28:18Speaker 3: can't stop me. Hit four yards in the backfield, jump back,
- 28:22Speaker 3: reverse field, get a 20-yard gain.
- 28:24Speaker 2: There's very few people in the league that can do
- 28:27Speaker 2: what Jameer Gibbs does.
- 28:28Speaker 3: And As long as he can stay healthy, and I
- 28:32Speaker 3: think that's the biggest question mark for him, he is
- 28:34Speaker 3: taking on a workload that is pretty insane. It's rare
- 28:38Speaker 3: to see a lot of guys in the NFL. If
- 28:39Speaker 3: you just go back to last year, in fact, I'll
- 28:41Speaker 3: look it up right now. You go back to last year.
- 28:45Speaker 3: This isn't 1990 anymore. You don't have guys taking, you know,
- 28:50Speaker 3: 350 carries a year. It's very, very rare. to have
- 28:56Speaker 3: guys at that number. The leader last year was Jonathan
- 28:59Speaker 3: Taylor at 323. Jameer Gibbs right now is at 157.
- 29:06Speaker 3: Not even halfway through the season, they've only played seven
- 29:08Speaker 3: games because they've had to buy. Add on top of
- 29:10Speaker 3: that 34 catches, that's just a lot of hits that
- 29:14Speaker 3: he's taking throughout the course of the year.
- 29:16Speaker 2: If he can stay healthy, I think he's going to
- 29:18Speaker 2: have a great shot. Great shot. At winning the MVP.
- 29:24Speaker 3: The first non-quarterback to do it in a minute. But
- 29:26Speaker 3: he's got to stay healthy to do it. So he
- 29:28Speaker 3: gets a stock up. Let's go MVP stock down.
- 29:30Speaker 2: I'll be honest.
- 29:32Speaker 3: I don't think anybody like did anything too crazy to
- 29:34Speaker 3: take them out of the mix. The guys that were
- 29:37Speaker 3: out already are already. They're still out there. guys who
- 29:40Speaker 3: are in it, I think played well enough to still
- 29:45Speaker 3: have their case and make their case for later in
- 29:47Speaker 3: the year. So I'm going to give nobody the stock
- 29:50Speaker 3: down this week. We'll just keep it moving. We'll go
- 29:52Speaker 3: to best game of the week.
- 29:54Speaker 2: Oh my God.
- 29:56Speaker 3: Broncos and Chiefs is a hell of an option for that.
- 29:59Speaker 3: Raiders and Jets, another great game. I thought the chess
- 30:03Speaker 3: match between Detroit and Minnesota was really good, but surprisingly,
- 30:09Speaker 3: if you're into fireworks, maybe the best game of the
- 30:13Speaker 3: week was the Bengals and Titans just because it's 43-36.
- 30:16Speaker 2: Joe Burrow's throwing for 460 yards.
- 30:21Speaker 3: The Titans, for the first time, look like a competent
- 30:25Speaker 3: offense that's hanging in there, and you're thinking to yourself,
- 30:28Speaker 3: are they really going to blow this game, Cincinnati, to Tennessee?
- 30:34Speaker 3: So I'll give Cincinnati and Tennessee, I'll give the Titans
- 30:36Speaker 3: some love. They're probably never going to be on this
- 30:37Speaker 3: list again. The Titans, you are part of the best
- 30:40Speaker 3: game of the week. Let's go with the worst game
- 30:42Speaker 3: of the week.
- 30:43Speaker 2: Loss?
- 30:46Speaker 3: It's going to be weird to say. I have a
- 30:49Speaker 3: hard and fast rule. If a team scores zero points,
- 30:52Speaker 3: you're automatically the worst game of the week. I really
- 30:57Speaker 3: want to give it to the Jags and the Colts
- 30:58Speaker 3: for how miserable of an attempt that was for Indianapolis
- 31:05Speaker 3: to lose 42-7. But again, guys, not only did you
- 31:09Speaker 3: have a game in which a team scored zero points,
- 31:12Speaker 3: the team that scored zero points lost to a team
- 31:15Speaker 3: that didn't complete a forward pass.
- 31:18Speaker 2: It's Bucs and Falcons. Worst game of the week. So
- 31:20Speaker 2: there you go.
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- 32:12Speaker 2: Back after this.
- 32:13Speaker 3: So I just saw a stat during the break. This
- 32:16Speaker 3: is from Josh Dubow of the AP. The Broncos have
- 32:25Speaker 3: been outgained. Actually, this one's from Shale Kapadia. The Broncos
- 32:31Speaker 3: have been outgained by 658 yards this season. That ranks
- 32:35Speaker 3: 30th in the NFL and is their second worst differential
- 32:40Speaker 3: through Week 8 this century.
- 32:44Speaker 2: Yet, they are 6-2.
- 32:46Speaker 3: Josh Dubow, on top of that, says, the worst yards
- 32:51Speaker 3: per game differential for a team with six-plus wins in
- 32:55Speaker 3: the first eight games since 1939.
- 32:57Speaker 2: No one touches the Broncos.
- 33:03Speaker 3: They're at negative 82.3. The next closest would be the
- 33:08Speaker 3: 2010 Patriots at negative 62.
- 33:11Speaker 2: We're the overdogs. So, why is that important? Well, here's why.
- 33:22Speaker 3: You have a clear read and clear picture on what's
- 33:28Speaker 3: going wrong. We know what's going wrong. One of these
- 33:33Speaker 3: things I think for the most part is unfixable. You
- 33:38Speaker 3: don't turn a quarterback that hasn't played well into a
- 33:42Speaker 3: quarterback that plays really well.
- 33:45Speaker 2: Just doesn't happen.
- 33:47Speaker 3: Bo Nix can get marginally better, but I got a
- 33:51Speaker 3: hard time ever, ever thinking that Bo Nix is going
- 33:54Speaker 3: to be really good this year. It's just tough. I
- 33:59Speaker 3: think from a confidence standpoint, from the way that the
- 34:01Speaker 3: team kind of.
- 34:06Speaker 3: From the way that they run their offense, I think
- 34:11Speaker 3: it's too difficult. And it's not going to be something
- 34:14Speaker 3: that he's going to see on film that clicks for him.
- 34:17Speaker 3: The only way I think you can make him better
- 34:19Speaker 3: is by getting a better running game. Because it's the
- 34:22Speaker 3: only thing that does not directly involve him being a
- 34:25Speaker 3: key ingredient.
- 34:27Speaker 2: To the success or failure of a play.
- 34:32Speaker 3: And that's why I am so gung-ho about these upcoming
- 34:36Speaker 3: six days on making something happen.
- 34:43Speaker 2: You're winning football games.
- 34:46Speaker 3: I'm not even going to say you can't do it
- 34:47Speaker 3: anymore with the way that you're doing it.
- 34:50Speaker 2: I think you can. I just think you can make
- 34:56Speaker 2: it easier on yourself. That's all.
- 35:00Speaker 3: I mean, if we're talking about things like winning time
- 35:02Speaker 3: of possession battles, which I think is very important so
- 35:04Speaker 3: your defense doesn't get tired out, when the games matter most,
- 35:08Speaker 3: either late in the game or towards the end of
- 35:10Speaker 3: the season, a good running game helps that. You are
- 35:15Speaker 3: 9 of 48 in your last four games.
- 35:18Speaker 2: All wins, by the way.
- 35:19Speaker 3: 9 of 48 on third down. combined in the last
- 35:25Speaker 3: four games, a running game helps that. And I think
- 35:29Speaker 3: we all just kind of hope that somebody can snap
- 35:33Speaker 3: their fingers and all of a sudden Bo Nix is
- 35:39Speaker 3: playing at a super high level. I just don't think
- 35:42Speaker 3: that's happening. We're halfway through the year. It is what
- 35:47Speaker 3: it is at this point. You know, this isn't some
- 35:50Speaker 3: byproduct of, well, your big weapons in the passing game
- 35:52Speaker 3: have been out or you got offensive linemen shuffling in
- 35:57Speaker 3: and out due to injury. Like, that's not what's happening.
- 36:04Speaker 3: I think that Bo is just what Bo is. And
- 36:09Speaker 3: in the case of how can you help the most,
- 36:13Speaker 3: you can do that by finding a good rushing attack.
- 36:17Speaker 3: And we can all like Jonah Coleman and think that
- 36:18Speaker 3: Jonah Coleman's going to be somebody that.
- 36:24Speaker 2: Can be impactful. But I would just be saying, well,
- 36:28Speaker 2: how about more? Can we do that? Can we do more?
- 36:36Speaker 3: And I hear people talk about this a lot, that
- 36:39Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor's not going to fix Sean Payton not running
- 36:45Speaker 3: the football. I still want to go back and remind
- 36:48Speaker 3: people of who Sean Payton is as a play caller.
- 36:57Speaker 3: So let's just, Nelly, give me a random year that
- 37:00Speaker 3: Sean Payton was coaching the Saints. I just want to
- 37:02Speaker 3: do an experiment. Maybe I look like an idiot by
- 37:04Speaker 3: doing this, but give me.
- 37:05Speaker 2: A random year.
- 37:06Speaker 5: The year he always brings up is, I feel like
- 37:08Speaker 5: he either always brings up 2006 when he started or
- 37:11Speaker 5: 2009 when they won the Super Bowl. So take your pick.
- 37:14Speaker 3: Let's go to 2009. 2009, 13-3 record. The New Orleans
- 37:23Speaker 3: Saints went on. They won the NFC South. They won
- 37:26Speaker 3: the Super Bowl against the Colts. Here's the numbers from
- 37:30Speaker 3: that team. Man, and they had Mike Bell was their
- 37:38Speaker 3: leading rusher. Mike Bell had 172 rushing attempts. Pierre Thomas
- 37:43Speaker 3: had 147. Reggie Bush had 70. Again, with those guys,
- 37:48Speaker 3: especially Reggie Bush, you got to think about passes out
- 37:53Speaker 3: of the backfield being extended handoffs, essentially. That's what he
- 37:56Speaker 3: likes to do. So Bush had 47 catches that year.
- 37:59Speaker 3: Pierre Thomas had 39. So just taking that in totality,
- 38:08Speaker 3: we'll just put a side-by-side on that with what the
- 38:10Speaker 3: Broncos did, let's say, last year, a season where they
- 38:15Speaker 3: went to the AFC Championship game. They finished with 456
- 38:20Speaker 3: total carries that season. It was 468 that year for
- 38:26Speaker 3: the Saints.
- 38:27Speaker 2: So a very similar number.
- 38:29Speaker 3: And I think later in that year, they made a
- 38:31Speaker 3: lot better effort at getting the running backs the football
- 38:35Speaker 3: because I think they just trusted them more. But I
- 38:40Speaker 3: do think there's a difference with Sean Payton where we
- 38:43Speaker 3: talk about him like, oh, he doesn't want to run it.
- 38:48Speaker 3: I don't know if that's the case. Because it's felt
- 38:52Speaker 3: like in the past when he has running backs that
- 38:55Speaker 3: he really likes and enjoys, that seems to change. Now,
- 38:59Speaker 3: it's hard to even do comparisons when you go to
- 39:02Speaker 3: the Saints because you're talking about having a Hall of
- 39:04Speaker 3: Fame quarterback there. And when you have a Hall of
- 39:06Speaker 3: Fame quarterback, you're going to trust that guy to throw.
- 39:08Speaker 3: You know, if you have Peyton Manning, I don't think
- 39:11Speaker 3: that you get overly concerned about the rushing attempts because.
- 39:18Speaker 2: You would like to have the football in the hands
- 39:20Speaker 2: of your Hall of Famer.
- 39:24Speaker 3: But I do believe that Sean Payton doesn't have some
- 39:28Speaker 3: total aversion to running the football. Philosophically, I don't think
- 39:34Speaker 3: he does. I think when you run the football seven
- 39:38Speaker 3: times for 13 yards, that poses a giant problem, like J.K.
- 39:41Speaker 3: Dobbins did the last week. If you have a top
- 39:45Speaker 3: five running back in the league, I think that changes.
- 39:51Speaker 3: We've seen Sean Payton basically admit he's not trusting his quarterback.
- 39:58Speaker 3: Look in the actions, not the words. Not going for
- 40:03Speaker 3: it on fourth and one from the one-yard line is
- 40:07Speaker 3: a direct correlation to that. But it's also a mistrust
- 40:11Speaker 3: in your running game. I think if you offered the
- 40:17Speaker 3: opportunity for 32, The other 31 teams in this league.
- 40:23Speaker 3: Fourth and one from the one-yard line, are you kicking
- 40:25Speaker 3: the field goal or are you going for it? I
- 40:27Speaker 3: think that 30 of them would go for it. It's
- 40:33Speaker 3: the Broncos, and you pick the one other team that wouldn't.
- 40:37Speaker 2: The Titans, maybe? I have no idea.
- 40:40Speaker 3: Titans probably would. But that's a mistrust, not just in
- 40:45Speaker 3: your quarterback, but in your running game. And I think
- 40:50Speaker 3: that last year, when J.K. Dobbins was healthy and running
- 40:55Speaker 3: the football well, the Broncos did make a really big
- 40:58Speaker 3: effort at running the football.
- 41:01Speaker 2: J.K.
- 41:01Speaker 3: Dobbins had 153 carries through 10 games last year. I mean,
- 41:09Speaker 3: that's on pace for by far over 200.
- 41:14Speaker 2: That is what you do with running backs. You give
- 41:16Speaker 2: them the football over 200 times.
- 41:19Speaker 3: The problem is JK got hurt and then you didn't
- 41:21Speaker 3: really trust anybody else afterwards.
- 41:23Speaker 1: I know.
- 41:26Speaker 3: So again, I think this narrative that's been made about
- 41:29Speaker 3: Sean Payton will refuse. If I give him Barry Sanders
- 41:31Speaker 3: in the backfield or Walter Payton or Jim Brown, that
- 41:35Speaker 3: it would be, oh, he's not going to run the football. Still,
- 41:36Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. Don't buy it. I still think it's
- 41:41Speaker 3: a matter of trust. They trusted JK Dobbins last year
- 41:46Speaker 3: until he got hurt. Now JK Dobbins is just not
- 41:48Speaker 3: the same. And so now you're saying, well, let's run
- 41:52Speaker 3: a fourth-round rookie 20 times. I just don't think he's
- 41:56Speaker 3: in that trust tree yet. I think Jonathan Taylor would.
- 42:01Speaker 3: And I do think it's important that the Broncos continue
- 42:06Speaker 3: to explore that.
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