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$140,000, a Poverty Income | Australia’s Social Media Ban for Kids · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: You're listenings k I AM six forty the bill handles
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  Speaker 1: show on demand on the iHeartRadio f KFI AM six
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  Speaker 1: forty bill handle Here it is Aday, Wednesday, December tenth,
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  Speaker 1: and a segment I want to do and this is
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  Speaker 1: something that I'm really interested in. That is the economy,
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  Speaker 1: our financial situation, both micro us macro, the country, the markets.
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  Speaker 1: And actually I use Amy as almost a poster child
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  Speaker 1: for this segment because one of the big big issues,
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  Speaker 1: and we're talking about defining poverty. That's what this is about,
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  Speaker 1: defining poverty and defining how people live. The general consensus
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  Speaker 1: is you spend about a third of your income on housing.
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  Speaker 2: Amy, I wish.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Amy spends fifty percent of her income on housing,
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  Speaker 1: which is not unusual. And considering that Amy needs to
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  Speaker 1: quadruple her salary in order to comfortably afford that, it's tough.
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  Speaker 1: And Amy's not alone, by the way, and by the way,
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  Speaker 1: obviously she has enough to you know, comfortably live.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not.
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  Speaker 1: But this is all to do with a poverty line. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the government's original poverty line, you know, start in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: sixty three when they came up with this poverty line
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  Speaker 1: basis at that time in nineteen sixty three, it was
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  Speaker 1: thirty one hundred dollars a year, and that sounds very low,
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  Speaker 1: but if you look at today's dollars, it's about thirty
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  Speaker 1: two thousand dollars a year, which strangely enough, is almost
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  Speaker 1: to the dollar. What the government today says is the
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  Speaker 1: poverty line. It has never changed. The problem is that
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  Speaker 1: look at what people are paying with the cost of housing,
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  Speaker 1: and now we're starting this is where Amy comes in.
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  Speaker 1: Rent is insane, Buying a home is insane, and unless
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  Speaker 1: you're actually into a home and you're moving up, it's difficult,
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  Speaker 1: very very difficult. And then there are things that you
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  Speaker 1: pay for that you never did before. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: medical insurance is crazy, as you know, but there's cell phones,
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  Speaker 1: there's computers, there's internet bills.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it goes on and on.
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  Speaker 1: So there was an article that came out as a
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  Speaker 1: post by a wealth manager, Michael Green, and he argued
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  Speaker 1: that one hundred and forty dollars thousand dollars is the
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  Speaker 1: new poverty level for a family of four, where the
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  Speaker 1: official poverty line is thirty two thousand dollars, And of
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  Speaker 1: course that went viral and people argued both sides of
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  Speaker 1: that coin. Now, how is it that one hundred and
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  Speaker 1: forty thousand dollars you can be defined as poor? Well,
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  Speaker 1: here we go that we have all had our definitions
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  Speaker 1: here over the years of what is poor and what
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  Speaker 1: is rich, and we all basically came this same conclusion.
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  Speaker 1: Rich is being able to stop working today or at
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  Speaker 1: the end of your career and living in the same
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  Speaker 1: lifestyle that you had.
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  Speaker 2: That's rich.
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  Speaker 1: Can you do that just walking out the door? Social
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  Speaker 1: security and pensions? You've got to save your whole life
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  Speaker 1: in order to do that. That's when you're rich. And
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  Speaker 1: there are too many people that are rich, because let's
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  Speaker 1: look at one hundred and forty thousand dollars, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: how can you be poor or only middle class at
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty thousand dollars. Well, if you know
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  Speaker 1: anybody that makes one hundred and forty thousand dollars, which
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  Speaker 1: of course is no one here at iHeart, then what
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  Speaker 1: lifestyle do you have at one hundred and forty thousand dollars?
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  Speaker 2: Big time vacations, two.
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  Speaker 1: Cars usually the luxury cars, private school for kids. It
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  Speaker 1: goes on and on, because you're living that kind of
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  Speaker 1: a lifestyle. Well, the argument is, is you're still living
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  Speaker 1: paycheck to paycheck, And of course the answer is, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter what you make unless you're at the poverty line,
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  Speaker 1: unless you literally are at risk, at food, at risk,
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  Speaker 1: having a hard time making the rent. And I always
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  Speaker 1: joke about amy and if you're living, if other than
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  Speaker 1: a hard time making it happen day to day, if
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  Speaker 1: you have any money leftover, you don't do the vacations,
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  Speaker 1: you don't buy the next car, the fancier car. You
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  Speaker 1: live a life under your means. And that's how you
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  Speaker 1: become rich. In America, the vast number of millionaires have
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  Speaker 1: saved their way into being millionaires.
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  Speaker 2: So where is poverty?
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  Speaker 1: I think poverty is when you draw a line family
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  Speaker 1: of four, poverty is it moves all over the place.
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  Speaker 2: Now we have to have a poverty line. And why
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  Speaker 2: is that?
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  Speaker 1: Because below a certain level you are eligible for governmental
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  Speaker 1: programs I mean other than Medicare, which goes to everybody
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  Speaker 1: at sixty five. All of the other programs, for the
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  Speaker 1: most part, food stamps, etc. All deal with how much
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  Speaker 1: income you make if you're above or below the poverty line.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, the poverty line at thirty three
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Programs aren't predicated on thirty three thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: It's one hundred and thirty percent of the poverty line
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  Speaker 1: or one.
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  Speaker 2: Hundred and eighty percent.
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  Speaker 1: So numbers aren't as ridiculous as they are in terms
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  Speaker 1: of poverty.
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  Speaker 2: But this was a fascinating article.
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  Speaker 1: Where this economist wealth manager actually argued and some are saying, legitimately,
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty thousand dollars a year is the
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  Speaker 1: new poverty level for a family of four?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me ask, I don't know where Neil is,
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  Speaker 1: but Amy, where do you think the poverty line is
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  Speaker 1: where you're having.
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  Speaker 2: A very hard time making it? Give me real run number?
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  Speaker 2: In La? Yeah, in La, I would say it's probably
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  Speaker 2: like sixty thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the average income, by the way, the average income
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  Speaker 1: in La County is eighty six thousand dollars a year,
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  Speaker 1: and people still can't afford it to live here. We
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  Speaker 1: talk about that, and so ann what is the poverty
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  Speaker 1: line for you?
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  Speaker 2: Where do you think that line is for a family
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  Speaker 2: of four? Yeah, for a family of four dual income,
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  Speaker 2: I would say probably around I'd say it like seventy Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's close to the average.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine now, this is close to the average
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  Speaker 1: income the power line is that close? What does that
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  Speaker 1: tell you? And I want to visit DOGE again. DOZE
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  Speaker 1: remember the Department of Government Efficiency Elon Musk's organization. And
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  Speaker 1: two facts that I want to put in front of
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  Speaker 1: you as I go through this story. Number one, Elon
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  Speaker 1: Musk was insanely close to President Trump for a while.
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  Speaker 1: You know, he put two hundred and fifty million dollars
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  Speaker 1: of his own money. So this two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars that he put into Trump's campaign, Okay, fair enough? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know it's fair. And do you remember he
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  Speaker 1: was only co director of DOGE. Does anybody remember Vivik
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  Speaker 1: Ramaswami who was also named as a co director of
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  Speaker 1: DOZE And that lasted twenty three seconds. So he was
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  Speaker 1: on a pad podcast, the Katie Miller podcast, and he
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  Speaker 1: said the Department of Government Offficiency, which he ran, had
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  Speaker 1: only been a little bit successful in its goal to
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  Speaker 1: save taxpayers money and reduce regulations and spending. Now, this
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  Speaker 1: organization was a brainchild of Musk, and it laid off
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  Speaker 1: thousands of government workers, were obviously not very happy, but
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  Speaker 1: failed to deliver on the promises to cut the federal budget.
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  Speaker 2: It did not cut the federal budget.
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  Speaker 1: He did say, we stopped a lot of funding that
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  Speaker 1: made no sense, was entirely wasteful. For example, there was
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  Speaker 1: one hundred maybe two hundred billion dollars worth of zombie
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  Speaker 1: payments every year, and simply by enforcing the payment code
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  Speaker 1: and making the recipients have them explain what the payment
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  Speaker 1: was for, the payment would not go out.
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  Speaker 2: So asked, would you do it again?
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  Speaker 1: So I don't think so, I should be, should be
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  Speaker 1: and I am now focused on other inures, his other
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  Speaker 1: two major ventures, which is SpaceX and Tesla. And he
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  Speaker 1: said if he had gone to Tesla earl earlier, they
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't have been burning the cars. Remember the backlash against
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  Speaker 1: Musk still there, but not as much. Tesla dealerships, individual
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  Speaker 1: vehicles were vandalized, Protests erupted across the country. There were
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  Speaker 1: bumper sixers said I bought this before Musk started going crazy,
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  Speaker 1: don't blame me. And then everybody was trying to sell
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  Speaker 1: their Tesla's and you could buy one for a nickel
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  Speaker 1: because no one wanted a Tesla, and for the most
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  Speaker 1: part it was.
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  Speaker 2: Because of Musk.
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  Speaker 1: Now, the name Musk or the name Dodge, must said
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  Speaker 1: was a made up name. We aren't they always all
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  Speaker 1: of them, And it was based on internet suggestion. So
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  Speaker 1: here was the claim, and this was with the president's support.
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  Speaker 1: Those would reduce government spending. The first announcement was by
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  Speaker 1: two trillion dollars, which is a huge percent of the
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  Speaker 1: entire budget of the United States. That was the first year,
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  Speaker 1: and then it was revised to one trillion dollars. And
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  Speaker 1: in April he lowered that again at a cabinet meeting
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  Speaker 1: and he said, okay, it's one hundred and fifty billion dollars.
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  Speaker 1: We don't actually know because the numbers aren't that given
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  Speaker 1: to us, and there is no real accounting. Outside financial
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  Speaker 1: experts can't even verify that figure because the agency, which
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  Speaker 1: is disappearing, if it is still around, has not provided
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  Speaker 1: access to its accounting. And do you remember the trauma
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  Speaker 1: elon must rise and fall? He counted, He touted constantly,
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  Speaker 1: repeatedly about his agency's work on X and it went
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  Speaker 1: one point he had this change saw remember that video,
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  Speaker 1: this chain saw and I think it was at a
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  Speaker 1: cabinet meeting or was in the Oval Office, and no,
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  Speaker 1: it was at the Conservative Political Action Conference SEAPAC in
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  Speaker 1: Maryland in February. The initiative DOGE very short lived. After
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  Speaker 1: four months as a special government employee, Musk announced, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm leaving. I'm leaving the Trump administration. And in November,
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  Speaker 1: the director of the Office of Personal Management the director
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  Speaker 1: of DOGE. It's an organization, I guess is still in existence,
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  Speaker 1: and no one knows what it does at this point.
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  Speaker 1: A guy named Scott Cooper is the director of DOGE.
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  Speaker 1: He said in a social media post. DOGE does not
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  Speaker 1: have any centralized leadership. Okay, And by the way, just
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  Speaker 1: to let you know, Tesla's are a basic piece of crap.
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  Speaker 1: I bought a Tesla and I lasted two weeks. And
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  Speaker 1: this has had nothing to do with politics or Musk
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  Speaker 1: or anything. I just thought it was a terrible car,
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  Speaker 1: and so I bought it. And a week later Trump
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  Speaker 1: produced I mean, the must reduce the price of the
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  Speaker 1: car twenty percent. I lost twenty percent in a week
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  Speaker 1: just because of the arbitrary lowering of the price, and
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  Speaker 1: no one knew it was coming either. It was on
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  Speaker 1: a Thursday, had no idea on a Friday, the cars
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  Speaker 1: reduced twenty percent. Okay, Australia has done something that many
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  Speaker 1: countries in the world are looking at. Many states are
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  Speaker 1: looking at banning social media for people under sixteen.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a new law. We talked about it with
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  Speaker 2: Rich Murley yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Anyone younger sixteen will not have social media accounts and
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  Speaker 1: that goes into effect two day. And it's about sheltering children,
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  Speaker 1: of course, from the efforts of social media. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: the problem is the Internet has done some extraordinary things
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  Speaker 1: positively and at the same time has done some extraordinary
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  Speaker 1: things negatively in terms of the negative aspects of social media.
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  Speaker 1: On the political side, it has turned around what's reality.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's just done.
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  Speaker 1: But on the social side, kids are particularly susceptible because
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  Speaker 1: the shaming that goes on the stories of there been
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  Speaker 1: some teens who have committed suicide because of the influence
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  Speaker 1: of social media from people they knew, and then the shaming,
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  Speaker 1: the fat shaming. Neil, I can use the radio to
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  Speaker 1: do that, so I don't need the Internet to do that.
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  Speaker 2: I'll take it. Okay, yes you will.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of people say it's
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  Speaker 1: a legitimate threat. Now even those that advocate social media
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  Speaker 1: and adicate First Amendment rights, and you can't have the
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  Speaker 1: government stopping this will tell you that there is an
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  Speaker 1: issue with kids being particularly sceptable and social media and
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  Speaker 1: just the time they spend on social media. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you look at this, forget about everything else, just the
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  Speaker 1: time which doesn't leave time for anything else. Social intercourse
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  Speaker 1: basically disappears, Homework disappears. I mean family dinners. You ever
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  Speaker 1: gone on to a restaurant and everybody is on the phone.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever happened to people having conversations? I remember, and I've
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  Speaker 1: told this story as many times. This was years ago.
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  Speaker 1: My daughters were on either end of a couch and
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  Speaker 1: they and I said, so, what's going on?
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  Speaker 2: And they're texting?
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  Speaker 1: And what are you doing? We're texting to each other.
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  Speaker 1: You're six feet away from each other. You ever thought
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  Speaker 1: of just turning your head left and talking social media?
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  Speaker 1: So the Australians did this, and they couldn't actually make
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  Speaker 1: it work because they're asking the your social media companies Facebook, Instagram, kick, Reddit, snapchat, TikTok,
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  Speaker 1: twitch x YouTube to create algorithms, and without AI it's
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  Speaker 1: almost impossible to do. And with algorithms, even if a
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  Speaker 1: fourteen year old says I am seventeen, there's enough information.
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  Speaker 2: Out there where they were.
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  Speaker 1: The AI can establish what your age is, if not specifically,
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  Speaker 1: a pretty good idea of who you are and what
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  Speaker 1: age you are, based on your text, based on your
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  Speaker 1: posts of photos, that sort of thing. If you look
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  Speaker 1: at we post here on the show, and I post
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  Speaker 1: photos of what's going on, and if I lived in Australia,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be kicked off because I certainly come off like
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  Speaker 1: a fifteen year old, and that's one of the problems.
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  Speaker 2: Neil is nodding his head.
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  Speaker 1: But in reality, we have to look at how kids
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  Speaker 1: are affected. We've just started to understand this, and of
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  Speaker 1: course science is diving into this. You know, whenever I
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  Speaker 1: make these broad sweeping statements like kids are being affected,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of that is anecdotal, and I tell you
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  Speaker 1: it's anecdotal, but a lot of studies are being done.
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  Speaker 1: Sociologists are jumping into this, Scientists are jumping into this,
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  Speaker 1: and so we're going to find out is Australia right
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  Speaker 1: I think they are. I think Australia is right on this. Now.
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  Speaker 1: Can you imagine fifteen year olds not being able to
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  Speaker 1: use social media. They're going to kill themselves. Oh, there's
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  Speaker 1: an argument for social media. If you don't allow social media,
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  Speaker 1: you're going to see suicides go up dramatically because kids
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  Speaker 1: are going to be so upset they can't use social media. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's a premise that probably is not going to be
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  Speaker 1: used very much. Okay, Now a story and crazy. I
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  Speaker 1: love this one. I really do love this story. Start
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  Speaker 1: with the Biden administration, and this has to do with
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  Speaker 1: the State Department. In twenty twenty three, Anthony Blinco and
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  Speaker 1: the Secretary of State shifted the typeface on documents from
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  Speaker 1: the State Department. And he basically did it on the
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  Speaker 1: recommendation of the State Department's Office of Diversity and Inclusion,
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  Speaker 1: which is now gone. And it had to do from
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  Speaker 1: folks with disability that the typeface was going to be
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  Speaker 1: easier to read people who had impaired vision, and it's
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  Speaker 1: just okay, we're going to make it easier for those people. Well,
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  Speaker 1: we've got the Secretary of State. Now we've got mister Rubio,
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  Speaker 1: Marco Rubio, who is turning that around. Why is that
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  Speaker 1: we do not want anything having to do with diversity
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  Speaker 1: and helping people with disabilities. We're changing it around again,
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  Speaker 1: and the State Department will not use the Anthony Blinken
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  Speaker 1: Biden administration font. And he is there switching back to
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  Speaker 1: the use of now times new Roman font. And that's
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  Speaker 1: to restore the decorum and professionalism to the Department's written work,
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  Speaker 1: much like what the President Trump is doing, where Baroque
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  Speaker 1: architecture and the gold and the Guild is now the
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  Speaker 1: new normal for the US government. Now we're going to
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  Speaker 1: go on and go to the formal font for the
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  Speaker 1: State Department. Now do you think this has to do
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  Speaker 1: with the changing of the font under Biden?
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  Speaker 2: And I, by the way, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: If it worked or not, but at least the reason
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  Speaker 1: seemed to me to be legitimate. Helping people with disabilities
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  Speaker 1: read the font easier. No idea if it actually worked. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that one. You know, I may say NAE in favor
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  Speaker 1: of it, but there is a legitimacy to that. This
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  Speaker 1: one is we do not have diversity or wokeness anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And anything that reminds us of that, read the Biden
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  Speaker 1: change of the font, we're gonna undo. There is no question.
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  Speaker 1: If it is Biden, it is bad. It's not simple
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  Speaker 1: it's not at all complicated. If the car, let's say,
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  Speaker 1: a car that's assigned to Marco Rubio now or to to.
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  Speaker 2: Blink and was afford.
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  Speaker 1: You can't have a Ford because you've got Biden Ford
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  Speaker 1: bad and so we need another car. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true or not. I have
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  Speaker 1: no idea if they've changed the kind of car. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just hypothesizing here, but it has gotten so crazy that
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  Speaker 1: I mean, come on, guys, really the font is it
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  Speaker 1: so offensive that at least that are saying we did
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  Speaker 1: this because of the Department of Disability and whatever the
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  Speaker 1: hell they call it, you know, I mean, what kind
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  Speaker 1: of damage is that? Well, if it's Biden, it's bad.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's nuts. And the reason is, and maybe that's
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  Speaker 1: a legitimate reason. Now his directive, Rubio's directive is to
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  Speaker 1: diplomatic posts around the world, and he blamed radical diversity, equity, inclusion,
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  Speaker 1: and accessibility programs for this misguided and ineffective switch from
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  Speaker 1: one type face to the one we're now using. I
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  Speaker 1: don't even know what's saying. So I'm going to be
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  Speaker 1: doing this on a regular basis, and I know that
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  Speaker 1: I attack Trump more than I don't, but keep in mind,
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  Speaker 1: when Biden was president, I did my share of attacking Biden.
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  Speaker 1: It's just the Trump is an office, and whoever is
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  Speaker 1: in office, it's easier to attack. So don't don't judge
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  Speaker 1: me that much, or go ahead and judge me because
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  Speaker 1: you do anyway, bastards.
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