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What would it take for Bears to acquire Maxx Crosby, and is it worth it? · Da Windy City Sports Podcast

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to the Wendy city podcast presented by a fan side of that man right there as Alex Shapiro I am kind of Davis and right now we're going to talk about something that we haven't had the chance to get into as you know my partner in crime was in one of the most beautiful places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I you know who would jump at the chance and rejoin us if that's what happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One Josh Schrock, because all he all over talked about was moving to South American buying a bar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And life is slow, you get older, you realize slow and life's slow and down a bit isn't as bad when you're younger and you're like, I never want to lead the city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, you know what, yeah, get the city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, enough about us and our tropical desires.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Last week, ESPN's very own Bill Barnwell came up with some traits, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he had a particular trait with the bears with the Las Vegas Raiders, where he had bears wide receiver DJ Moore and the bears upcoming 2026 vs. Real Pick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: being traded for Max Crosby, of course, the unstoppable edge rusher who plays is not a one trick pony as far as sitting the edge and tackling on the run and block passes, but also second to quarterback, you know, we've used him as perhaps a cup and hopes of what Austin Booker can be as far as if Austin could have his motor be similar to Max Crosby, because that was something that was said a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: when Austin Booker was drafted, but trading for Max Crosby and the Bears receiving a 2027 fifth round pick in that trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not a crazy trade, Alex, so I'll start off by asking you what do you think about Bill's Barrow trade, where the Bears send their late round pick?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is something that we haven't necessarily, you know, we've been carrying a lot about these picks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then what I'm saying I don't care about this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get it twisted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's not where it has been in the past where when you talk about top 15, I'm a lot more sticky with letting those go, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a wide receiver that has been disrespected here a lot in DJ Moore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know because the bear seems to have an abundance of riches when it comes to past catchers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's easy to say, just move off of DJ Moore with his extension about to kick in this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I know it's easy, but I don't know if the bears are really prepared.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not to have that tough, dependable while receiver, but again, first should all wider receiver too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great point for everyone to do a lot of things with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But again, the defensive line is the bear's most glaring weakness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked about they definitely need a tackle, but showing up the edge rush.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And putting probably Montess wet in a proper place as the second edge rush or behind Max Crosby does a lot for the bears because they need someone to see even more dominant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It can be dominant compared to what the Montess effect hasn't done consistently here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love this trade proofs of the bears.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm operating under the assumption that in this trade scenario, the bears have quadruple checked, the medicals, and Max Crosby is completely healthy, absolutely no worries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously he got shut down at the end of the last year and he was.
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[SPEAKER_01]: upset that he was shut down at the end of last season, which is leading to all these trade requests trade rumors, is that he was super upset that he had been shut down for the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I am let's just get it out of the way early.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm operating under the assumption Max Cross B is 100% healthy and there
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[SPEAKER_01]: that his injury is going to be a lingering situation.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think if you get some sort of medical information, that says, this could persist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This could lead to other problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He might not be the same player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're getting that type of information, then I'm out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you know, injuries are serious.
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[SPEAKER_01]: players lives are impacted by them unfortunately.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, in this fantasy realm, he's totally fine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to say this from the article, the problem is figuring out what Crosby would net in a trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is still productive, racking up 10 sacks and 20 knockouts, over 15 james on a radar team that didn't face many pass attempts in 2025, but he turns 29 and August.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crosby has also played a higher snap share than just about any NFL edge pressure over the past few years, including a 96% share in 2022 and a 95 and 2023.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's also dealt with the high ankle sprain and a meniscus repair over the last past two years to add to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's for your injuries concern part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to put that in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, it could end up being a situation like a Jared Allen coming here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think the precipitous slide would be as bad as what Jared Allen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because, you know, we hope we were getting that Jared Allen that the Vikings had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: how healthy he'll be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now also, and it's an apples to oranges comparison, you're trading him for a player that every time he goes out, we always think he's coming back in and he does in DJ Moore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I'll give you somebody who was a really tough player for the bears and you know, gave the bears they're all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: David Montgomery and there be sometimes with with with with Monty where Monty will look like he got a nasty knee injury and not not to be back then it be sometimes where Monty would miss three to four games Rightfully so because he got hurt and there was a lot of times we're talking about him
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[SPEAKER_00]: getting hit in the backfield or somebody being there right there in the hole like he was he is still aware, but he's been a warrior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The reason that I'm talking about that is DJ Moore gets it looks like he gets hurt often and he's most of the time back in that game where it happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, or if even if there's the rare few times and I want to say couple more than few where he doesn't return Well, usually he returns and then he goes back out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I'm saying if there's something like again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, but if you know He then then we're like well, maybe he won't be there for the next game and nine times really 95% out of the time He's there the next like regardless of body language
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[SPEAKER_00]: and appreciate the dog in DJ Moore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying like, that guy and what he's meant here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and finally being a chance to win and he's not necessarily quote unquote the league dog as much as he was with a lesser quarterback regardless of how you feel the numbers proved that out right now on who's about a quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had better years with the bear's prior quarterback than he's had with that he's had so far.
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[SPEAKER_00]: with Caleb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, to get off of that contract, I mean, I like playing Gia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know that contract is one thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said this even with DJ being here, I think they need a, I think they need a, a, a, a vet who's been there in that, that right, why receiver room.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I, I also feel like that in the quarterback room to be honest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've said that on this show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[UNKNOWN]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even okay, so if let's just hype it there and say you make that trade, you have to go out and he has to be able to play to if you if you make the trade, so okay, let me put like this if DJ still here the vet has to play, but you're not really dependent on him as much if DJ is gone that that has to be
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[SPEAKER_00]: your quasi-second best receiver at times, depending on what Luther Bird is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in sadness, I'm saying Rome has to be your best wide-out receiver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And Rome has improving that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm a Roman doomsday guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you're talking about trading, and you're putting a lot on Luther Bird, because I know we're like, well, Luther Bird's second.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And all this, you're asking these young,
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[SPEAKER_00]: receivers to step up in a place that they haven't had to step up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And even if you said at the beginning of the year where Rome was leading the team and blah, blah, blah, skipy, woo, woo, this, there were still teams planning on DJ more while Rome was doing that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now taping DJ more off that table and allows those teams to focus in on Rome and Luther Burden compared to
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[SPEAKER_00]: focusing on DJ then Rome and Luca Burton was basically only had two plays if that at the beginning of the season when Rome was cooking.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hear you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is not a referendum on DJ more in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, trading DJ more is what allows the bears to bring in Max Crosby, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to me,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest things that will hold the bears back from winning a Super Bowl, which is the new expectation, are who's your left tackle, and what's going on with that defensive line?
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[SPEAKER_01]: They did not generate enough pressure last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Period point blank.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whether they were bringing four, or whether they were bringing an extra help, they did not generate enough pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Max Crosby, again, in my fantasy realm, where he's a thousand percent healthy, we know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is that dude.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You mentioned the snap count, this is a guy who does not get off the field.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is completely relentless in his pursuit of the football.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He is a playmaker and he changes the entire complexion of that defense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's who he is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: DJ Moore is a really good wider saber.
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[SPEAKER_01]: D.J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moore is a really good whiter seaver, where Max Crosby is among elite defense events and past rushers is a different tier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In my opinion, Max Crosby and is a different tier of past rusher than what D.J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Moore is in his tier of whiter severs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I see him in the theory?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Can I see him in the theory?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I see him in the theory?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not worried about finding a veteran whiter seaver to get into that room, like they're out there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: there there will be veteran wider severs who play football who you have to be good they have to be good though there aren't good there are vets out there but I said winners but hold can I get the tears can you give me the tears real quick for while receivers where DJ is and for Max Crosby where he is for Eddress sure sure sure okay so tier one of Eddressers is Miles Garrett of course tier break
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then I think that next here is where you find Max Crosby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's right there, right under there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are other guys in that tier, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are other guys there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You might, well, so it's Michael Parsons on the same tier as Max Crosby, the healthy Michael?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think, I don't think in the game,
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[SPEAKER_00]: playing the run as well as Max can but I don't think he is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't been in the defensive MVP anywhere near as much as Michael has been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is a problem with me with saying, he's on the same tier as Micah Parsons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, so I think maybe the problem is, I said, Edge, Russia, and maybe I should just say defensive Lyman, because I feel, I think Mao's Jared is in the lane by himself, but I don't think a healthy Micah was viewed as being
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[SPEAKER_00]: totally off the tier.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he was trying to grab on to that tier, but he doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Miles Garrett is the best defense player of football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Period.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If he played on a winning team, we would be arguing about him and Aaron Donald as far as some the best defense blindman of this generation, but any generation to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but I do think about Micah and what he brings to the table.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and man, that's something to say him and, uh, they're the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, okay, I'm just, I'm going to go ahead, because it's too, too, too, it's the same.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If, okay, so maybe he's tier two, maybe he's tier three.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's way way near the top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If we're talking DJ more,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's a bigger discrepancy, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you're talking to your guys, I'm talking like, my top tier is probably like Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then that second tier, you feel like got like hookin' to Kooa's, the Jackson Smith and Jake Buzz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think, I think Jackson's, you know what, I'll save this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At this point, I think Jackson Smith and Jake would maybe,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you had the top tier year last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't, I'm not mad if someone puts out a production poop in there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It may not look like the other guys, but I do think, because Justin hasn't had a Justin Jefferson year in a couple of years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jamar Chase when he's healthy is you can say the best receiver on football easily, but so it's a game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But that's the thing where now I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're on a different level.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then so again, I have no problem with this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: See the lamb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You got Devante Smith and I know there was all that drama, but like those players are still real good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I love what you do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think DJ's not, I think he's on a third tier if that's where you're going to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I can ride receiver.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's on a third tier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: George Pickins, I'm in Ross St. Brown, like I can go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: George Pickins name names names names names names names.
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[SPEAKER_00]: George Pickins, yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want about that even for everyone that's watching it or listening to us, this is just a healthy conversation for us to go through this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why, that's more of the reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This isn't, oh, you're wrong, but I think just as far as people don't suck these things out and everybody in the chat let us know your thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I want to add to this conversation, this is another excerpt from Bill Barwell's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: are who.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Vegas will also obviously want a substantial hall for Crosby with ESPN's out of chef reporting that it would take a micro-parson's house return to even get the writers to consider a deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Teams often have big ask before eventually selling for something short of their tensile initial rather demands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the short of the return wouldn't be realistic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Parsons was a 26-year-old at the end of his rookie deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and had three top three finishes for defensive player of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Crosby is two years older and it's coming off the back-to-back season and packed it by injury and has never been a first-team all-pro or finished higher than the fourth and defensive player of the year ballad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to put that out there between him and the mic at bay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I mean, that's fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's totally fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's completely fair.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, but again, you know, what I'm thinking of moves that will put the bears over the top.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Max Crosby helps put the bears over the top more than DJ Moore helps the bear.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to ask you because, because they do have room at Dunesay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do have Luther Burden who should be so much more comfortable in this offense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have constant lovelins who is just playing outrageous football in the second half of that season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you already have, you take DJ Moore out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have three serious past-catching weapons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When you look at that past rushing group and you're looking at Montes wet who had a solid year last year hit double digit sex, but was not the force multiplier that that he was consistently he had moments where he was pressing the quarterback not generating sex and being the dude right, but beyond that like dial a day ago.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was not super impressive his half of a season and then you got awesome book or you got like what do we say half a wave maybe away with those three guys there's a lot more room for that defensive line group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: to grow into to become a force when you add a guy like Max Crosby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think that the bears like DJ Moore is a great player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The bears are seeing a room will obviously be lesser without him.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It will be a hit to that group.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I think that the drop from where the past catching group
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like where they are now and the drop to where they would be without DJ more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's smaller.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then then the gain, the defense of line group gets by gaining Max Crossby.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And remember, this is the 25th pick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This as you said, we're talking about the 25th pick in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like going to be a slam dunk all pro player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a
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[SPEAKER_01]: any defensive end, any edge rusher that this team drafts, the chances of that player turning into a max crossbie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: is astronomically small.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Max Crosby is one of those special dudes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, the bears can draft a defensive end who can make an impact.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, the chances of that rookie player developing into a Max Crosby are so small.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he turns 29 this year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, like he's not as young, but 29, ain't, it's not like you're trading for a 32 year old.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Bears window to win is now, and if you got two, three really good seasons out of Max Crosby, you're in that window.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To me, this is the Bears, I would not be grudge them for putting their chips in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would not be grudge them for putting their chips in the middle, because it looks like you got the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It looks like you got the coach.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go win football games right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's go win Super Bowls right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so just to add to the tier discussion for the second tier in a fill two names.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't that we didn't at TJ what to the very good player, right, I touched it's in very good player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why I was going.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it's in very good player.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're better than this has nothing to do with the trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, when we're having these, let me say this too for everyone that's listening to watching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have, and this isn't an Alex and me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we try to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have blips and blurbs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to use the word hot tape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Blips and blurbs without really sus and things out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I just want to sus this out as far as where
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[SPEAKER_00]: Max Crosby ranks and get props to the players who either have passed him or were better than him already.
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[SPEAKER_00]: TJ White is clearly better than him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can say like, depending on now, Aden Hutchman being early in his career, and when he had that broken fibula, but if you ask me which player would age, would always make me want to take ages and so it's not fair discussion for me to say which player would say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But still, I want to just put that out there, but you're right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's more important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying don't trade DJ more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is not at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not even trying to do this just as the taking the opposition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just want to also say what he brings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if you had the opportunity to make this trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It makes sense to make this trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have the opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, the thing would be like you say left tackle and defensive tackle because I still think you have to add something you have you don't have enough pressure now you can say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Max Crosby Montes wet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Austin Booker, Dio D'Ambo coming back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should help with the DTs, but I think you still need more in that interior to really get that line hump and to overcome for you won't probably have as many turnovers as you had in the back, the back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There'll be other aggression.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There'll be a regression and losing perhaps two to three defensive backs and having to replace those guys having more pressure will alleviate not having the turnover that you had last season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: 1,000%, 1,000%, and that's kind of why I'm with it, I'm with it.
21:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with it.
21:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with it.
21:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just what to we can we don't have to just like do it.
21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we can say it, but let's also talk about it.
21:48
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's discuss it and everything about it.
21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of the way that I guess I'm trying to get is everything else.
21:54
[SPEAKER_00]: The medical's are real.
21:55
[SPEAKER_01]: That's also, you know, I kind of I brush over and I kind of copped out.
22:00
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a real part of this and the reason I coped out is because like, we're not in those rooms.
22:05
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't know, I have no idea what his medical situation really is.
22:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And that it is worth bringing that back up.
22:12
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a big big X factor here.
22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to feel really good that this guy is healthy and that this guy is going to continue to be max-cross me.
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So that is a little pump the brakes moment as well.
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a little pump the brakes moment as well.
22:29
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got to make sure that this dude is good to go.
22:32
[SPEAKER_01]: It may be extra points, sir.
22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I will have a real quick extra point for you, kind of.
22:37
[SPEAKER_01]: As you mentioned, as in the Bahamas, we talked about last episode too.
22:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I did something that I haven't done a long time.
22:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I started and finished a book within a week.
22:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Within a week, I read a book.
22:50
[SPEAKER_01]: It was amazing.
22:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It was called The Believer, a year in the flyfishing life or something like that.
22:57
[SPEAKER_01]: By David Coggins, he is a wonderful writer who writes about flyfishing, which is one of my passions.
23:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's got a way with words.
23:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And he has some interesting philosophies.
23:07
[SPEAKER_01]: And it is about,
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[SPEAKER_01]: pursuing fishing as a hobby and continuing to fish it, continuing to fish as you advance in your age and as your relationships and your family life advances and how do you balance all of that?
23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think you have to be a fly fishing nut to enjoy the book because he uses fly fishing really as a vehicle to talk about just life.
23:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, a lot of interesting philosophies about getting older and how we relate with the world and how we relate with other people.
23:46
[SPEAKER_01]: But if you are a fly fisherman, if you are an angler, then it's a slam dunk recommend, this guy just gets it.
23:53
[SPEAKER_01]: It's extremely relatable, wonderful book, the believer, a year in the fly fishing life.
24:00
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, everybody, go check it out.
24:02
[SPEAKER_00]: We have to do some outdoor activity.
24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: And we have to go fishing.
24:06
[SPEAKER_00]: So then this is when this spring and summer hits, let's go fishing.
24:10
[SPEAKER_01]: That summer, hey, man, you don't got to wait until summer.
24:13
[SPEAKER_01]: The salmon runs coming up.
24:14
[SPEAKER_01]: We can catch cohoes and Lake Michigan.
24:16
[SPEAKER_01]: You want to catch cohoes with me, Kenneth?
24:18
[SPEAKER_00]: of course I would.
24:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm joking.
24:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Of course I would.
24:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So everybody will be back.
24:24
[SPEAKER_00]: We hope you're appreciate this.
24:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, doing things with guys you cool with as always easy to do.
24:31
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's good that we're sitting here doing our old thing again.
24:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully we're giving you a little bit of that flavor from what you enjoyed.
24:38
[SPEAKER_00]: From the past iterations of the show that we were on together, we don't have to always mention it because we're not doing that anymore like we're holding on to the past.
24:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know you're going to get a couple episodes of least from us every week and also we always appreciate you taking a little time out of your day because you don't have to.
24:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen us talk of course bears in a fail and extra points about random things that take place across our minds and I'm not saying that it's like I know when you talked with me in the past about flyfishing is always interesting I remember that movie.
25:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Paul Newman or who was in the flyfishing room right?
25:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
25:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember a river runs through it from back in the day But anyway for Alex Shapiro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am Ken of Davis and we look forward to talking to you down there