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India Locks Down Turbine Data, Danish Wind Jobs Dip · The Uptime Wind Energy Podcast

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Welcome to the Uptime Wind Energy podcast.
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I'm your host, Rosemary Barnes, and I'm filling in for Allen
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today here with Jolanda Pedron.
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All right, onto our first story.
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India is drawing a line around its wind data.
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The Ministry of New and Renewable Energy has ordered every turbine maker on the
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approved list of models and manufacturers to report where its data actually lives.
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Data centers inside India, servers inside India, research centers inside India, and
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no real-time data leaving the country.
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The order went out last week with status reports due by month-end.
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And while the government tightens the rules on data,
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the hardware keeps moving in.
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Flender has just opened another generator plant in Chennai Yolanda, I think this is
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gonna have a large impact on the number of companies who are, you know, there's a
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lot of companies around today developing, like, smarts for wind turbines.
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There's a lot of scope to operate turbines better, to improve power output, reduce
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maintenance costs, et cetera, and y- a lot of companies are taking advantage of that.
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Even Patlow has some projects going on in that sort of area.
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What do you think about the impact this will be?
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Is India planning to develop their entire own ecosystem for
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that aspect of the industry?
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I
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mean, it looks like it, right?
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Which is really, I mean, kind of groundbreaking.
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I know that we talked a couple weeks ago about Europe sort of being a little
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bit scared of bringing in, um, different manufacturers from Asia, um, and just
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the, the idea of cybersecurity being something really prevalent and really
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important to all of these people.
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So just if India starts siloing everything and that works, maybe
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that'll translate to Europe.
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Do you think that it, it can work?
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Has India got the expertise in place already to, to make this work, or is
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this gonna be a real, like, handbrake on their, their wind industry continuing
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to develop as fast as it has been?
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I mean, I'm really curious to see it because I don't know
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if they'll bring in a lot more experts to be able to, to do that.
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I know the Indian, um, operating environment is quite
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different to other locations.
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I mean, it's, it's similar in a way to Australia in its
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dissimilarity, if that makes sense.
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I, I think there's a lot of really India-specific problems, so of course
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Indian companies are gonna be best placed to take advantage of that.
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But what we've seen so far is a lot of, uh, companies from Europe or
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America coming in to y- you know, like tweak the way that they attack
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similar problems in other markets.
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They're, you know, moving in to understand India better and take advantage of that.
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Now, of course, like not every smart operating method or aerodynamic
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improvement, they don't all need real-time data, and probably
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most of them don't actually.
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So I think it's not gonna like s- snip off this entire kind of improvement.
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But it is really interesting.
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It's quite, like it is quite severe, the restrictions, and I haven't heard of any
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other market, um, that is doing that.
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I, I don't know, do you think it's warranted or is it
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maybe like overly paranoid?
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I know when I heard that in, um, in Europe they're not allowing Chinese manufacturers
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of inverters, for example, and I just felt like, "Ugh, is that a bit over the top?"
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I'm not sure.
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Um, yeah, what's your opinion, Yolanda?
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I think it, it might be a little bit over the top.
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We live in such a globalized world that the idea of one country
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just siloing completely is, is a little bit strange to me.
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But- I guess if, if that's, they have a, a reason for concern,
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then I guess it might make sense.
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But to your earlier point, like, I don't know if the cost of doing
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this would also come into play
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Yeah, I think that there's always a, a, a trade-off.
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It's like when you have any kind of l- local content rule, which is similar
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in a way because it forces, um, yeah, it, it forces your own ecosystem to
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develop, and that's, that's great.
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Like, it is a missed opportunity if you just have, you know, like
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a huge new industry and you just import it all, then that i- is a lost
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opportunity for your own economy.
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But I mean, in the past, India has had pretty strong local content rules, and
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they do have a bunch of wind energy manufacturing, um, within the country.
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They are a country known for really great engineering, so it's for sure
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not beyond them to, you know, step up.
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So yeah, I guess time will tell if this is a smart move from that point of view.
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I don't think it's actually the motivation behind this rule.
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I think it's more of a, like, a cybersecurity, um, kind of perspective
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where you don't want, you know, overseas companies having the ability to shut
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down your energy system, for example.
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Um, so yeah, but it, it has the potential to have that other effect
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of, you know, like boosting the local industry or alternatively
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just slowing down the whole industry because they can't get anything done.
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I guess that's always that balance that you need to, need to look at
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when you're looking at local content.
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So India is deciding who gets to control the data inside a turbine.
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Our next story is about something inside that same turbine nobody
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controls yet, the air moving across a blade that isn't turning.
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A parked turbine might look like the safest thing on the site.
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Blades are locked, the rotor's still, nothing turning, nothing generating.
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But a new study says that stillness is not safety.
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When the rotor is locked and the wind shifts, air can strike the
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trailing edge first and travel backwards across the blade.
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That is reverse flow, and in reverse flow, the models this industry uses to
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predict blade loads start to fall apart.
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Field data cited in the study suggests blades on turbines above 15 megawatts
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can go aerodynamically unstable at winds as low as eight meters per second.
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That is nowhere near a storm.
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So this is actually already definitely a known issue, and I know that modern
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wind turbines don't usually park with locked rotors, right, Yolanda?
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Yeah.
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We, we saw that a locked rotor during installation was one of the causes
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of the Vineyard Wind fiasco, right?
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Where broken blade pieces washed up on the beach.
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So definitely something that's known about.
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And it's something that even onshore you have a, you have your
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system so that it tracks sort of where the wind is coming from.
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So even if it's stopped, it won't just be stopped at a specific angle,
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particularly in case the, the winds shift.
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Yeah, and I've seen examples of blades failing when, um, there was
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a storm and there was power lost, so they weren't able to yaw or pitch a
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turbine, and that also can cause…
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Like, any time that- Wind is going in a different direction than what the
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turbine desi- was designed for, you'll get unpredictable stuff happening
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and often, like, really bad loads.
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Like the harshest, conditions, loading conditions that a wind turbine blade
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has to withstand is not in operation.
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It's if you've got just wind hitting like a bluff body, they call it,
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where a gust of wind just hits flat on the blade and tries to bend it.
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Like that is way, way stronger loading than, um, than anything
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it would see operationally.
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If you're looking at, you know, like a really severe storm, like a one in 50
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year kind of, um, wind speeds, and then if you have flow going on weird angles
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where it's creating lift, then you can ratchet up those loads even more.
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So for sure a known issue.
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This study, it, it singled out turbines above 15 megawatts, which are huge.
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That's a, you know, like a big offshore wind turbine.
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But I don't think it's limited to that.
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Like what would you think, Yolanda?
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Is this, is this like purely a big blades thing, or is this
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something that actually all wind turbines need to take into account?
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Oh, this is definitely something that all wind turbines need to take into account.
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It's something that we've seen a lot in the US as well, um, onshore and
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s- wind f- uh, smaller wind farms and wind farms that have, you know,
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200 plus, um, wind turbines on them, uh, the, the 1X or 2X turbines.
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Uh, this is also ver- a, a reason that it's really important, to check your
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systems constantly, and I know that a lot of the, owner/operators do that,
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in their regular maintenance checks.
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but it's, an issue that, if you don't have the correct systems in place or
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if you just remotely reset things, because you see an error that maybe
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you thought, "Oh, that, must be just a glitch," then you start having issues
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like this that can cause catastrophic failures, not just on the blade but on
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the turbine itself if, the blade ends up hitting the turbine, um, it, it
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ends up hitting the, the tower itself.
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Uh, and then a similar issue, um, that can happen too is when you don't have
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the correct systems in place for, for an emergency, and so the turbine can
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just overspin, and that also causes a lot of blade failures, uh, both
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onshore and, and offshore as well.
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But I think onshore it's, it's just the, the wind farms are so big that
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it's It's easy or, or easier to miss, like, one or two turbines,
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um, when you're doing those checks.
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Yeah.
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And I think another issue with keeping the rotors locked out, and one of
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the big reasons why they moved to pinwheeling as the, you know, um,
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turbine off kind of configuration, was with the, the bearings, right?
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Like, it's not good for the bearings to be totally stationary.
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Um, so I think that it's better to, yeah, pinwheel.
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It's lower loads on the bearings.
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Something, um, similar to this as well, right, and, and I think Wind Power
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posted about it the other day, um, about just, oh, it's really common for, for
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sites to, to think of, of a financial solution to, to negative pricing being
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just fully stopping turbines that might not be producing at positive pricing.
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Um, and then, uh, that can also cause a lot of loading issues because you're,
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you're having a, a turbine at, at full capacity, and then it just stops.
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Yeah, that's true.
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The braking loads are, are one of the more extreme loads that
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turbines have to withstand also.
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I mean, hopefully if they're curtailing, um, voluntarily, uh, they're not doing
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an emergency brake kind of level.
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I hope that they're being a bit more gentle on their turbines, but
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yeah, for sure, like, the easiest thing for a turbine to do is just
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operate normally its whole lifetime.
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That's exactly what it was designed to do, and anything that deviates
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from that can reduce the t- life of the turbine, complicate things.
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So machines keep getting bigger, and the physics keep getting harder.
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Meanwhile, the map keeps getting wider.
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Next, a Chinese manufacturer planting both turbines and spare
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parts across Southeast Asia.
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China's turbine makers are no longer just shipping machines.
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They are building the network that keeps those machines running.
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Envision Energy has secured its largest wind project in Vietnam, 200 megawatts
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with REE Energy, 25 turbines, grid connection targeted for October 2027.
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It is also the company's largest overseas nearshore project to date.
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And Batangas, Philippines, Envision has opened a distribution center holding
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major components and spare parts close to the projects that need them.
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Turbines first, then the parts network.
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Yelena, I'm just wondering if spare parts was a big headache for you when you worked
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in asset management, and do you think that this plan of, that Envision has is
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gonna be a successful one for Vietnam?
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I think spare parts, having spare parts on site or near a
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site is always a good strategy.
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I know that sometimes it can get the, the accounting itself can get a little bit
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difficult because for at least, you know, in the US for tax purposes, you can't
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really sell something from one project to another, so you, you have to be a little
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bit careful, um, as far as when you hold a part or you're sending one part that
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might fit in multiple sites and where you're technically buying that from.
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Uh, but I think the spare parts that they're having here I, I think it's
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a, it's a really good idea, right?
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Because oftentimes you might have a, a big, um, there might be a big queue for
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a particular component that fails years after, uh, it was produced, and then you--
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I mean, if you need it now and there's a big queue now, then you need to wait
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until it can get to site, until it can be produced, until it's your turn in line.
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Uh, and so just having those components on site or really close to the
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site I think is a really good idea.
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Yeah, it's really challenging.
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Like it's, it, it's easy to imagine how you could organize a spare parts
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network or, you know, just l- literally a bunch of warehouses holding spare
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parts for the kind of, you know, like one-off failures that happen routinely
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throughout a wind turbine's life.
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But when you start to see a serial issue or if there's just, you know,
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like statistically every now and then you'll get clusters of failures even
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if it's not a serial issue, that's when it starts to get really hard.
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So I know in Australia, and I'm sure it's the case elsewhere, you
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kind of got to pair your spare parts inventory with the capability
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to repair and refurbish as well.
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Because sometimes it's like, you know, you might do, like speaking of blades, which
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is my specialty, you might have a bill of, you know, maybe even a million dollars
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to do a really big repair on a blade, but that's better than spending probably,
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honestly, the similar amount of money on a brand-new blade, but then that comes with
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a six-month or a 12-month, um, wait time.
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You know, like obviously you're gonna save overall if you can
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get that turbine up faster.
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And we also see a lot of, um, in-country capabilities to refurbish, you know, all
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of the drivetrain components and, and everything like that, and I think that
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that is such an important complement.
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Like your spare parts strategy should never just be about having them
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physically sitting there, 'cause if you were to have enough to cover any
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situation, then, you know, most of your components would go unused over
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the, the lifetime of the wind farm.
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And it's not like they're just swap in, swap out for any
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different wind turbine, right?
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Like they are usually quite turbine specific.
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I completely agree with the idea, especially with blades and how trif-
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tricky some of the new blades and their, their repair processes can be.
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It's really important to have a plan and not necessarily just, "Okay, now
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I'm gonna throw this one out and bring in a new one, and always hold a new
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one," because that's really expensive.
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Um, and it's also really, really important to, uh, that doesn't matter
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what particular part it is, that whatever storage facility you're using,
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that you're, you make sure that the environmental factors impacting the
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spare parts are taken care of, right?
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So, um, I know I've seen spare parts for a battery site or spare parts for
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a solar site, uh, that just kind of end up degrading even more than the
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parts that were in operations because no one was really looking at them.
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They were just outside in the elements, and then you just wasted millions and
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millions of dollars for really nothing.
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Um, something that you need to take to the landfill eventually or report.
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Hopefully recycle it if it's electronic waste.
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I completely agree that to, to be able to, to have any sort of replacement strategy,
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you, or any sort of spare parts strategy, you need to make sure that, that the
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replacement strategy is there and that the refurbishment strategy is there.
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If there's anything that you can recycle in-house and use in-house, that's
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a lot better than just landfilling anything or sending anything to
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be recycled elsewhere where it just piles and piles and piles up.
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Yeah.
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I think also it's reassuring if you're buying wind turbines from maybe a, a
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less well-known manufacturer or less well-known in your country, I think it is
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reassuring to have a, like just a stack of spare parts on site, because that will
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give you the confidence that if and when things start to go wrong, you know, a
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few years into the wind farm's operation, you are gonna have that capability.
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'Cause I think it is, like it's a big leap to move away from the really, really
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well-known, uh, manufacturers into some of the less well-known ones and have the
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confidence that y- you know, you wouldn't have any- anyone to ask what they're
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like for service, uh, for example, and you might also not have confidence that
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they're even gonna exist in, you know, 10 years, 20 years, 30 years' time.
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So having the parts on site can give you that confidence.
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Although, as you say, if those parts aren't actually functional when you
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go to use them, that can be worse than not having them in the first place
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because you thought that you were okay and then you find yourself scrambling.
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That's not ideal at all.
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Yeah, I completely agree.
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I did hear about someone who, um, had a, a blade that they They thought
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they, they didn't really have the capabilities in-house to, to restore
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it, and so they sent it to be recycled, and then later it was sold
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to them by their OEM, um, on site.
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And so I think that also speaks to the…
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And, and it was just because someone noticed the serial number was
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exactly the same and kind of noticed.
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It was, it was really honestly kind of a funny, funny thing in retrospect.
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But, uh, and it, it just speaks to the idea of you really need to
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understand if you're holding spare parts and, and just in general, even
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if you don't wanna hold spare parts.
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Um, the idea of being able to refurbish or have a plan to be able to refurbish
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the, the materials that you have on site is really, really, really important
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because it can save you so much money.
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I mean, the, I mean, the, for that case, just the, the transportation costs
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of hauling the blade off, of paying someone to recycle it, of paying for a
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new blade, um, and everything just to kind of be bamboozled in that way where
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you could've just repaired it on site is, is It's almost a no-brainer, yeah.
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I gotta say, that's like a real recycling win, right?
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Like, you can't get better than, than that.
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Uh, you know, you had a blade, you recycle it into a blade.
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It's, you know, performing exactly the same function, better than shredding it
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and hiding it in a, you know, a footpath, a sidewalk, or something like that.
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Stay with China a moment longer, because the product strategy tells
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you as much as the project map.
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Mingyang Smart Energy has unveiled the Tianchi MCD 5 MW turbine
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at its factory in Guizhou.
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It's the first machine in the company's new medium-speed compact drive platform,
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a semi-direct drive that Mingyang says cuts component count by 60%.
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And it is built for sites nobody used to bother with: mountains, plateaus,
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places where the wind averages four and a half meters per second.
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Now, Yolanda, 5 MW is pretty big for an onshore turbine in locations.
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It sounds like, you know, these locations, aside from the, like, less than ideal
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wind resource, also sounds like places where it's actually, you know, transport
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might be a bit of a constraint.
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I wonder what their strategy is gonna be to get those large components
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and installation equipment in.
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Yeah, I mean, it's, it's not gonna be the first site, I think, that we've
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seen that where they have to develop some sort of game-changing vessel
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or crane or something to be able to, to get things, uh, to the site.
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Uh, my, my first thought honestly was just kind of like, "Oh goodness,
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that might be a lightning nightmare depending on, on where they're located."
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Yeah, that's true.
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Like we've seen in Japan, they have all their turbines on the ridges where
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the wind speeds are great, at least.
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Um, but they have been just absolutely destroyed by lightning, like really,
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really dealing with extreme situations.
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I think also, like these are low wind speed sites.
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Like what, what did they say?
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Four and a half meters per second average wind speeds?
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I mean, that's like half what you would consider a good, a good site, right?
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And we know that the power in wind, it goes, like it increases
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with the cube of wind speed.
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So, um, you know, like if you double the wind speed, you
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get eight times as much power.
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So it's like all of the challenges associated with a high wind speed site
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in the mountains or, you know, somewhere tricky to get to you know, at least
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you've got eight times the power to make up for the effort of maintaining it.
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Uh, just it seems like, like a lot of effort to get to a
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low wind speed site, right?
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I think these turbines, the cut-in wind speed is gonna be two and a half meters
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per second, so you know, again, like you can reduce your, yeah, like the, the wind
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speed a- again by another factor of eight.
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It's almost nothing at that wind speed.
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It really, yeah, I don't know that you can make up for a low
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wind speed site by having a really low cut-in wind speed, right?
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Like, you're still gonna end up with low power across the board.
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Yeah, and it's, it's strange too, I mean, we said it's, it's
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a mountainous region, right?
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And so, and the transportation in itself, I mean, we talked about the idea of
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bringing them in is gonna be difficult.
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But I know that a lot of times we see a lot of blades that have issues down
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the line because of the transportation issues and because of the way that
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maybe they, they didn't use the lifting points right, and there might be a lot
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more transportation issues or damages from transportation on the site if
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they come in and it's a completely different terrain that they're used to.
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Uh, and teams have to build in a completely different terrain to- that-
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than they're used to, then that might also cause problems down the line.
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Not to mention the idea that I know sometimes in sites where there's already
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roads, uh, it, it, because of the position of the turbines, because of the, the
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way that things are, are mapped out in development and construction, sometimes
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it's a, a hassle for operations to, to get the correct cranes or trucks or everything
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in there to do any sort of maintenance.
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Uh, so I can't imagine in a place where it's just really, really
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difficult to get to in general.
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Yeah, and especially over the lifetime, you know, maintenance
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i- is gonna be such a challenge.
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So I think that it sounds like they're aware of that because their emphasis with
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this new platform, dropping the component count by 60%, that's a claim from Ming
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Yang that I haven't seen the details of.
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It seems highly implausible but, um, yeah, I would wanna look into
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that a bit more to believe it.
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But they also say that their new bearings and gearbox features lift reliability by
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10%, so yeah, I think that that is going to make their job a little bit easier,
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but yeah, I don't know if it's enough that would make me wanna invest in a
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wind farm with a, what was the number?
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Four and a half meters per second average wind speed.
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Seems marginal at best.
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So new machines for marginal sites built in China and priced to compete.
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Now let's move to Denmark, where the employment numbers
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show what that competition feels like from the other side.
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Back in a moment.
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Numbers out of Denmark tell two stories at once.
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Green Power Denmark counted just under 110,000 full-time jobs across
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the Danish energy sector in 2025.
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That is up 1,526 positions or 1.4%, slightly ahead of
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Danish employment overall.
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That is the good news.
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Inside the wind sector, employment fell to 32,700, a drop of roughly 500.
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Green Power Denmark blames international competition and
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unfavorable market conditions.
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Its chief economist calls the dip normal You know what, Yolanda?
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I think that if Denmark's labor market is weak in the wind industry, there
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are many countries outside of Denmark that would wanna snap up that talent.
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I know that my own company, Pardalote, is included in those numbers of people that
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would really like to have Danish talent.
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I'm trying to s- hire someone currently that's got wind turbine
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blade expertise, and I tell you what, that is not easy to do in Australia.
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So I would say if there are any Danes listening or watching who fancy a
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move to Australia, then please do get in touch if you have some excellent
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wind turbine blade experience.
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You guys would have a lovely, lovely boss.
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I've- I just gotta say that.
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The learnings that you have in Denmark and just the, the, the school- not just
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from the schooling, the, the onsite, I mean, it- it's just historically Denmark's
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been really, really great in, in wind.
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And there's just so many bright minds, um, that d- I mean, if, if they can't
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find a j- a job in Denmark, then I, I agree that there's a lot of places in
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wind that if they're, they're okay with moving, they'll, they'll find a, a good
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spot that'll receive them really happily.
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I know it is a bit of a, like, a cultural blocker.
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Danes more than other nationalities that I know are, are really, um, I don't
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wanna say attached, it makes it sound like not quite the word I'm looking for,
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but they, they do really appreciate the region that they're from and, you know,
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family is so important to Danes, so not the easiest thing to just say, "Just
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move to the other side of the world."
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But you know, I did it.
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It, it can be done and, uh, yeah, Australia is, has got very nice
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weather, especially at the moment.
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It's, um, it's gonna be… It's been, like, in the high teens Celsius all this
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week, and this is, I'm in Canberra in still winter and, uh, yeah, like, on
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the weekend it's gonna be 20 degrees.
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It's, you know, normally 15 degrees is a really great one-off day in winter.
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It was my birthday this week and in Denmark there is a, a saying or
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a, you know, a belief that if you have good weather on your birthday,
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then that means that you must have been really good all year.
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And the weather was just, like, unprecedentedly good for my
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birthday, um, yeah, for a winter day.
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So obviously I was very, very good this year.
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You're a great person, and happy belated birthday.
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Thank you.
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But it is something that I say every time we get another story about
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another Danish wind energy company that's, you know, doing layoffs and,
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you know, I'm honestly surprised that it's only 500 fallen in wind energy.
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If you look at, like, even just the job losses at LM Wind Power alone, um, I think
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that it would be about that many, right?
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And so there are obviously some other companies um, growing to
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absorb some of the job losses, 'cause for sure we've covered more than
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500 job losses just on the show.
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But I know I always feel really sad, um, not just for the people involved
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who y- you know, probably love wind energy and wanted to work in that
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field, but I feel sad that, you know, this was such a strength for Denmark,
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their, their wind industry, that they had been, you know, developing this
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expertise since the '70s, honestly.
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Uh, really, really world leading and, uh, of course, like, globalization means that
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you can't, like, stay siloed forever, and Denmark obviously also took advantage of
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that globalization to, you know, export.
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Wind industry was a huge export market for Denmark, and still is.
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Um, but I do, I, I just feel really bad at the companies that are
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losing, um, all of that, you know, institutional knowledge and the really,
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really deep specialist knowledge.
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It's, um, yeah.
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Uh, and they'll go on to, you know, bring new skills to other
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industries, but it just makes me sad.
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As a wind energy lover and, um, you know, somebody who has a lot of
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friends that work in wind industry in Denmark, I do feel, feel sad.
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And there are some of my old colleagues who are amazing, like, literally the
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best engineer that I ever worked with, an electrical engineer, it, it was not
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easy for him to find a new job in wind.
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I'm actually not sure if he's working in that industry now.
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And plenty of other, like, really, really talented engineers that have
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gone on to other, um, yeah, other different kinds of industries, and
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it just makes me a little bit sad.
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Yeah.
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I mean, there are a lot of people too that are com- And I agree, it's sad.
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It's really sad.
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But I, there are a lot of people too, some friends that, uh, just,
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you know, started doing consulting on their own, and it's, it's good to see
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that they're still in wind, you know?
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Because they're, they, they're so smart and they have so much knowledge of so many
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years in the industry that they bring to the table, um, that, I mean, it, it might
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even work out better for them, right?
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Because maybe now they're not just wor- focusing on Denmark itself,
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and now they get to, to expand and do what they evidently love to do,
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uh, the, for clients around the world, which is really exciting.
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Well, that wraps up another episode of the Uptime Wind Energy podcast,
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