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Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer · Cuff’s Basement

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  Speaker 1: This podcast episode is brought to you by my new
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  Speaker 1: album No Way. That's right, Ryan, I recorded an album
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  Speaker 1: that's great. There's some covers, some original music, but I'll
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  Speaker 1: start with the first track. Well, in the next several episodes,
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  Speaker 1: I'll be going through the tracks, give you a little
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  Speaker 1: sample of each.
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  Speaker 2: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: So the first track on the album is a cover that,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, some cover, some original music. It's a
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  Speaker 1: cover by the Sorry, cover of the rock a Feller
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  Speaker 1: Skank by Fat Boy Slam, a cover of that song. Yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: but I will have to admit I was feeling a
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  Speaker 1: little I was feeling a little blue, a little down
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  Speaker 1: in the dumps that day, so I think it may
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  Speaker 1: have effected the recording. But it made the album you know,
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  Speaker 2: What do you think Definitely the emotions in there. Yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I can hear that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, it's a it's a it's it
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  Speaker 1: personally means a lot to me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, wow, the song this made the album.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah, it's just like the lyrics just really
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  Speaker 1: always spoke to me.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, yeah, you don't get many people cover it's
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  Speaker 2: pretty brave of you to cover like a DJ track.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool, like an actual like a remix, not
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  Speaker 2: like an.
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  Speaker 1: Actual like that's not that way some's voice, no.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, actually saying anything. It's more of like remixed tracks,
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  Speaker 2: like yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He's not even really a musician.
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  Speaker 2: He is, but it's just kind of a different style
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  Speaker 2: of doing it. But you know what, maybe you not
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  Speaker 2: knowing that was helpful for your version of it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well my album will be out soon TVD
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  Speaker 1: release date, but title of the album is going to
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  Speaker 1: be the result of an online poll.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that was always a great turnouts.
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  Speaker 1: It was a pretty good idea. But all right, let's
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  Speaker 1: get into the episode.
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  Speaker 2: Chris string.
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  Speaker 1: Lass like glass. Welcome back to Cuff's Basement. I am
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  Speaker 1: your co host, Tim, and I'm with my co host Ryan.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, what's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Ryan cherl McDonald.
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  Speaker 2: That's it, that's actually it.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, it's been a while, it's been a while.
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  Speaker 1: That might make the album.
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  Speaker 2: Oh you're covering that too? Maybe just getting all the classics.
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  Speaker 1: Man, it's like half the album is going to be
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  Speaker 1: stand covers.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, interesting, okay, yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Do you know that he's like a far right wing Is.
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  Speaker 2: There a country singer now too?
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  Speaker 3: Like? What is this?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's been a while since we recorded in
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  Speaker 1: person in the basement.
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  Speaker 2: When was the last one? Trying to think now?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man, I honestly don't know, but I think it
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  Speaker 1: was it this year. It's got to have been this year.
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  Speaker 2: Did we do what? I'm trying to think?
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  Speaker 1: How do you feel about that? I love the new
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  Speaker 1: Spotify logo. There's like tons of backlash.
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  Speaker 2: It's a disco ball, right yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I also I immediately knew it was a disco ball.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's like, well is it?
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  Speaker 2: When I first showed up, I thought it was more
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  Speaker 2: of just like a new shiny, smoky image. And that's
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  Speaker 2: why I text you guys like, is there a new
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  Speaker 2: metal logo on Spotify? Also? Who cares?
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  Speaker 3: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Oscars? We did in person, but that was at Eric's. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: Jurassic World, we did it your plans.
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  Speaker 2: That's why we did one of my hosts, right.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Yeah, the best of twenty twenty five. That
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  Speaker 1: was virtual pretty Woman in Canada? What was Canada? Oh?
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  Speaker 1: The Chips?
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  Speaker 2: Virtual?
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  Speaker 1: No way? What wasn't no Canada? Was the Chips?
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  Speaker 2: Was that in person? Because it was the Christmas one?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Oh my god, you might be right, Ryan, it
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  Speaker 1: might not have been this year. We did do them
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  Speaker 1: in person, but not on the basement. Holy Mother of God. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: it's been since Christmas.
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  Speaker 2: It's already made, which is insane.
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  Speaker 1: I know the reason, honestly, the reason is because of
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  Speaker 1: my inability to like be a functioning person. This entire
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  Speaker 1: table and underneath the table was completely covered with laundry
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  Speaker 1: with millipedes no, and it was like eight bags of
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  Speaker 1: laundry that I needed a fold that I was just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I can't have run over because I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: do this. And then I finally it's Memorial Day weekend.
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  Speaker 1: I finally did it, but I.
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  Speaker 2: Quiet, it's not clean. That's my biggest thing. You did
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  Speaker 2: that once and I will never allow that again.
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  Speaker 1: Good. This is the clean this it's been in months.
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  Speaker 2: Really love it. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love that we still got our shrimps and banetas. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: we still got our delectable squeeze ups. Nothing has changed.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where Kevin Garnett is. He's around here somewhere.
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  Speaker 2: You have a Florida thing with the raptor here.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, oh, Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 2: Run it is a haunted house. Like I pull out
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  Speaker 2: one thing, nineteen glasses fall behind it.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, haunted. I also love I don't know why are
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  Speaker 1: you looking at me for an explanation or what?
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  Speaker 3: That?
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  Speaker 1: He barely I'm in the homewood suites most of the time. No,
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  Speaker 1: but so Ryan came over today and hung out and
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  Speaker 1: we grilled, which was lovely. Ceci legit just flat out
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  Speaker 1: went into the bathroom while Ryan was being She just
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  Speaker 1: shoved the door open and just went in because I
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  Speaker 1: think she thought Shannon was in there. Probably, So then
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  Speaker 1: I went, Jesus Christ, Ryan, you pervert. And then Shannon
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  Speaker 1: was like, nope, he didn't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: I felt back that was like this, I heard her coming.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is coming this way, so
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  Speaker 2: that over the door. I just like I checked the
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  Speaker 2: door with my shoulder. I was like, nope, nope, sorry body.
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  Speaker 1: Where were her parents? Great?
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  Speaker 2: Great question?
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  Speaker 1: But later on I said to Shannon, I can't believe
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  Speaker 1: that Ryan walked into the bathroom on season and Ryan said, nope,
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  Speaker 1: we're not starting this narrative.
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  Speaker 2: Nope, nope.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I'm actually thrilled for this topic because,
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  Speaker 1: as you know, the past few years of the podcast
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  Speaker 1: have really been a.
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  Speaker 2: Slog It's been tough, yeah material, and we we.
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  Speaker 1: Really we have a great series coming up. I won't
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  Speaker 1: spoil it. And it was like we need something, we
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  Speaker 1: need some filler, and Ryan said, how about mal Rats?
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  Speaker 1: And I love Malrats. I love Malrats, but I just
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  Speaker 1: like I was just kind of like, okay, sure, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't I didn't I would love to do
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  Speaker 1: an episode of Malrat, but I just I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It didn't like, it didn't invigorate me. And then we
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  Speaker 1: decided we pivoted because we got to talk about Marats.
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  Speaker 1: We got talking about Michael Rooker, and we pivoted and
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  Speaker 1: we were like, let's do Henry Portrait of a Serrup.
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  Speaker 1: And then I got jazz. I got legit Jazz because like,
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  Speaker 1: this is why the podcast exists is to talk about
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  Speaker 1: movies like Henry port Yeah, there's actually I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: ask you about this. So there's a punk band that
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  Speaker 1: I used to listen to back in the day, and
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  Speaker 1: a lot of punk bands play clips from like movies
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  Speaker 1: or songs against the Authority. Used to play clips of
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  Speaker 1: Simpsons and the songs which I loved, like one of
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  Speaker 1: the the beginning of my favorite song by them, which
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  Speaker 1: is called Lifestyle of Rebellion, they play the clip of
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  Speaker 1: when Bart imagines he's a rock star and he says,
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  Speaker 1: I would lock to play me late. It's called me
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  Speaker 1: fans is stupid tags and then the crowd goes like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so the reason I bring this up. So there's this
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  Speaker 1: band called Virus nine and they have an album that
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  Speaker 1: I used to listen to, and they're, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: it's right there. No way, I had no idea it
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  Speaker 1: was right there, okay, And in in the some of
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  Speaker 1: their songs they play this clip and I had no
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  Speaker 1: idea what it was, but it was clearly because I
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  Speaker 1: know I know this man. It was David Errickett's voice.
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  Speaker 2: So I was like, what movie would this be?
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  Speaker 1: So I looked it up and it's directed by Robert Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 1: It's called Road Racers. Oh yeah, yeah, in Samahayek.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It was never I think, released in theaters. It
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  Speaker 2: was only ever put on video.
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  Speaker 1: It was released on TV.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But it's about a guy who wants to start a
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  Speaker 1: band in like the fifties, and he has this line
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  Speaker 1: where he says, I want to play some music that'll
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  Speaker 1: scare the hell out of people, and that's what they
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  Speaker 1: play the beginning of the song. And I love that line,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how I feel about we're talking about Joe movies. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Like Joe, he was like, why is F one bad?
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  Speaker 2: Because it's not bad.
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  Speaker 1: F one is very good. I like F one. It's
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  Speaker 1: well made as well acted. They tried, give them credit.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have to try.
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  Speaker 2: Extremely true actually, and and.
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  Speaker 1: They tried and it was great. But it's very safe.
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  Speaker 1: It's very safe and it doesn't challenge you. It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: disrupt your day. And Joe was like, I don't want
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  Speaker 1: my day disrupted.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to be fine.
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  Speaker 1: I want to be comfortable and safe, and that's totally fine.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I want to play some music that'll scare
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  Speaker 1: the hell out of people. And that's why I love
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  Speaker 1: a movie like Henry Portrait of serial Killer. Now, what
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  Speaker 1: is your experience of this film.
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  Speaker 2: I I saw it because the I heard of it
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  Speaker 2: initially because of the actually hilarious nerdies of sounds the
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  Speaker 2: Mall Rats commentary. The second Rooker shows up in the movie,
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  Speaker 2: Kevin Smith and the producer both are like, Michael Rooker,
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  Speaker 2: Henry ported of a serial Killer. That's what they say.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, what is this? And then years
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  Speaker 2: later I was at Newberry Comics in Fresh Pond and
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  Speaker 2: I was like just looking through the DVDs and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh, I pulled the title out its Henry.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is it. This is the guy.
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  Speaker 2: So I bought it and that's the first time I
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  Speaker 2: ever saw it.
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  Speaker 1: Was so it was a very underground, unknown movie. It
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  Speaker 1: made one hundred thousand dollars. It came out in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: eighty six. September nineteen eighty six, he.
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  Speaker 2: Said that releases. You read that whole thing about the
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  Speaker 2: release of the movie fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: No, I didn't tell me about it, just so.
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  Speaker 2: The movie was made and I'm sorry. Movie was, as
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  Speaker 2: you just said, finished in nineteen eighty six. It was
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  Speaker 2: not released publicly until after the Boston Film Festival, where
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  Speaker 2: they screened it, until nineteen ninety four years because there
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  Speaker 2: was a huge battle over how to rate the movie.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fascinating read if you guys are interested, because
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  Speaker 2: they were thinking of creating a new rating called A
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  Speaker 2: for adult because X has now had the stigma of porn. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: and they thought Henry reporters also should not get an
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  Speaker 2: NC seventeen because they felt even like that is not enough,
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  Speaker 2: that's not enough, because it just felt like X. But
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  Speaker 2: the content of the movie outside of it was just
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  Speaker 2: not the mindset of the movie I could call it.
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  Speaker 2: That was just not gonna fly with anyone as a
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  Speaker 2: teenager in the ratings board mind.
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  Speaker 1: Because it's not I mean, there's definitely violence, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not like a gore fest. There's horror movies that are
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  Speaker 1: way more violent than this, but it's just so disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: It's disturbing, and like it reminded me a lot of
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  Speaker 2: like Zone of interest, where like it was so much
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  Speaker 2: more audio horror than I remember it being. And I
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  Speaker 2: was kind of like, oh, is it kind of this
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  Speaker 2: thing where like the tone of this movie the whole
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  Speaker 2: time is just so down that like you can't like
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  Speaker 2: there's there's no positive that you can put it in
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  Speaker 2: like and not a bad way.
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  Speaker 1: But did you also see the original poster. There's an
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  Speaker 1: artist named Joe Coleman, who I guess is famous and
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  Speaker 1: if you look up, I'll look it up right now
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  Speaker 1: to show you. But Joe Coleman. So, Joe Coleman made
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  Speaker 1: a poster for this movie, and the poster was banned.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like, well when you cover the movie, like
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  Speaker 2: the DVD cover is just like the that famous shot
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  Speaker 2: of him in the bathroom.
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  Speaker 1: Miss staring in the mirror. But so this movie was
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  Speaker 1: like in my local blockbuster growing up, because that's what
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  Speaker 1: people don't understand. Like again, this is the Joe Coleman poster. Yeah, wild,
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  Speaker 1: it's not yeah, just whatever, but this is not Like again,
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  Speaker 1: I always say, I just picture somebody like my sisters
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  Speaker 1: or Sarah, thinking that we're picking this weird, random movie
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  Speaker 1: that a no cultural relevance, and this is just that's
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  Speaker 1: just not true.
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  Speaker 2: Has a lot of critical respect.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, huge, Yes, And it launched Michael Rooker's career.
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  Speaker 2: It launched him also, I think one of the big
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  Speaker 2: I think because people thought this was real, another one
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  Speaker 2: of those kind of things do a little bit, where
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  Speaker 2: like it had that stigma that like Texas Chainsaw had
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  Speaker 2: and Blair Witch had, where like people thought like this
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  Speaker 2: was based on a true story, or like part of
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  Speaker 2: this was real, especially if you get later in the movie.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, there was. This has a lot of respect.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think where the director went specifically, I don't
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  Speaker 2: think it has helped the case for the movie. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think he ever really made anything as good as
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  Speaker 2: this John mcdonnton, But yeah, what do you make after this?
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  Speaker 2: The only thing I know that he made was Wild Things.
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  Speaker 1: He made wild Yeah, oh my god. Well that is
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  Speaker 1: just forever burned into my brain. Yeah, so he did this.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna only mention movies I've seen. He did
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of episodes of Homicide, which I love, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: wild Things, Yeah, he did an episode of Without a Trace,
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: Masters of Horror, which is again this is like an
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  Speaker 1: American psycho thing. But like for different reasons, this is
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  Speaker 1: classified as a horror movie. I think American Psycho is
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  Speaker 1: a dark comedy. Henry is not a dark comedy. No,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just not really a horror movie to me.
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  Speaker 2: It's because it's not like.
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  Speaker 1: And the tagline on the poster is He's not Freddy,
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  Speaker 1: He's not Jason, He's real.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, great postter? Actually do I actually like?
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  Speaker 4: There?
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  Speaker 2: I get one one too. Yeah, yeah that was the
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  Speaker 2: that's the video cover like right there, and it's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit different, but that's yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, it's anyways, where's my mouse? I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to find it? Okay, here we go. So this movie
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  Speaker 1: is we should mention it's based so the two main
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  Speaker 1: characters are real people. Like so, Henry le Lucas, if
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  Speaker 1: you know anything about serial killers, is a prolific, super
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  Speaker 1: famous serial killer and his partner in crime was this
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  Speaker 1: guy named Audust Tool. And this movie is about Henry
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  Speaker 1: le Lucas in Audust Tool. But it is a one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent fictionalized version of them. It is It's almost
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  Speaker 1: bizarre that they chose to just to make it more real.
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's why I think maybe people that's why
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe that whole stigma that people thinking it
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  Speaker 2: was real, not just because of how they presented what
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  Speaker 2: you've seen in the movie, but also, like I wonder
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  Speaker 2: because they use real life people as a source and
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  Speaker 2: then just changed it.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, but Henry Lee Lucas and Audust Tool were
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  Speaker 1: real serial killers in real life, and that's the name
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  Speaker 1: of the characters in the movie. But it's not at
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  Speaker 1: all based on Henry Le Lucas in ordest to in
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  Speaker 1: real life. And I just wanted to read this as
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  Speaker 1: from Wikipedia. Henry Le Lucas also known as the Confession Killer,
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  Speaker 1: which is important to note American convicted murderer. He was
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  Speaker 1: convicted of murdering his mother and two others in eighty three.
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  Speaker 1: He rose to infamy while incarcerated when he falsely confessed
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  Speaker 1: to six hundred murders to the Texas Rangers, probably Walker,
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  Speaker 1: and other law enforcement officials. He was convicted of murdering
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  Speaker 1: eleven people and sentenced to death. An investigation by the
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  Speaker 1: Dallas Times Herald showed that it was impossible for Lucas
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  Speaker 1: to have committed many murders he confessed to. A follow
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  Speaker 1: up investigation of the Attorney General of Texas concluded Lucas
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  Speaker 1: was a fabulous who had falsely confessed. Lucas's death sentence
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  Speaker 1: was commuted to life in prison in nineteen ninety eight.
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  Speaker 1: Do you know who commuted his death sentence? Henry Le Lucas.
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  Speaker 1: It was the only time this Texas politician commuted a
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  Speaker 1: death sentence. He commuted Henry Le Lucas's death.
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  Speaker 2: Sentence ninety eight Texas politician.
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  Speaker 1: Wanting to tell you, Yeah, George W.
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  Speaker 2: Bush.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Really he commuted and really Lucas's deascens. I feel like
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: if he did that now his like in the Republican
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: primary nowadays, I'd be like, George W. Bush is gay,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: he can he commuted and really Lucas's death sence. Lucas
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: later recounted his confessions as a hoax. He died of
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: congestive heart failure in prison. Lucas's case seriously damaged the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: reputation of the Texas Rangers, caused a real evaluation in
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: police techniques, and created greater awareness to the possibility of
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: false confessions. Investigators did not consider that the apparent the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: apparently trivial comforts such as steak dinners, milkshakes, and access
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: to television, and returned to confessions to crimes of extreme
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: seriousness might encourage prisoners such as Lucas, who had nothing
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: to lose to make false confessions. Obviously that is true. Also,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: investigat is let Lucas review the case files to quote
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: unquote refresh his memory, making it easy to seemingly demonstrate
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: knowledge of facts only the perpetrator would know. The police
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: also did not record any of the interviews, making it
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: impossible to know for sure how much how much information
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the interviewers gave to Lucas unprompted.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: So so he's like, webe and the wire just like
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: comp and that physically you could not be in the
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: same place at the same time.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Right, And he's like, yeah, I'm gonna here already. Audust
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: tool is famous because we all know John Walsh, America's
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: most wanted Adam Walsh. So it is not one hundred
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: percent proven, but I just believed the killer of Adam
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Walsh is Autist Tool and shocker to no one, autis
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Tool was horribly sexually used as a child by many
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: close relatives and acquaintances. This is according to Wikipedia. So
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: this this story is just like so horrifying, so that
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the death of Adam Walsh launched America's most wanted, Like
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: John Walsh as his father was inspired to start it,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: so his wife, Adam Walsh's mom. This is in like
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the eighties, I think early eighties, was checking out at
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a grocery store or convenience store or something, and there
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: was some there was an arcade machine, you know how
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: like back in the day, there'd be you check out
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and then against the wall they'd be like a claw machine.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: So he was like, oh, there's some older boys playing
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: with that machine. Can I go like watch them while
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: you check out? And she was like sure because it
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: was ten feet away. So she finishes checking out, looks up,
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Adam's gone, never sees him again. They never recover Adam's body,
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: or they maybe recovered just his head or something like that.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but there is an impression.
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: This is so disturbing. Everybody is going to hate this episode.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: They found a blood impression of Adam's face in like
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: the back of a car, and they think that it
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: was just his decapitated head was like rolling on the
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: car mat and made a blood impression. So I don't
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: know how you continue living in that scenario. It's got
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: to be worse than death, but it's never proven, but
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: it's believed that Audust Tool killed Adam Walsh. He also
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: believed died in prison of liver failure. But it's like, yeah,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: if you Audust Tool's background is like if God himself
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: created a textbook of like, if you want to create
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: a serial killer.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: This is what you do.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: That is Audust Tool's life. Yeah, but again, this movie
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with their real life stories. No,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: so uh, And we should talk about the two stars
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: of the movie. So they're the The person who plays
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Audust Tool is a character actor named is it Tom
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Towells Tommy toll And he's kind of that guy and
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. He's been a lot of stuff,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Devil's Rejects, Miami Vice, Malcolm in the Middle, Blood and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Blood Out the Rock and YPD Blue, Doctor Doolittle of
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: a Living Dead, Dog Day Afternoon. I'm trying to think
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: of Fortress, which I love, the Fortress remake of Halloween. Yeah, Grindhouse.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: In Grindhouse really.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he plays Grindhouse. He plays Lieutenant Borman in this
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: segment wear Wolf, Women.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Of the SSIL directed by Zombie.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Okay it makes sense, yes, yeah, And the main character
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: in this film is portrayed by a then Unknown, Michael Ruoker,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Love Michael Rooker. He's currently seventy one, seventy. This is
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: the first movie he was ever in. He was He's amazing.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: He's in Mississippi Burning, He's in Sea of Love, Days
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: of Thunder JFK. Cliffhanger, which is the first time he
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: plays like a hero. Tombstone, Maul, Rats, Replacement Killers, which
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: a favorite of mine back in the day, Bone Collector,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: what else? Oh, obviously the Marvel Cinematic Universe. What anything else?
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Anything else? I want to thinking? And Walking Dead. He's
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: a prolific voice voice.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Actor, very much so. His real life voice is amazing too.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: He has a great like raspy voice.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Also a phenomenal reputation as a person. I think any
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: people who talk about him love him, which is hilarious. Yeah,
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: which is comparatively Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So yeah. The My introduction to this film was Pep
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: and I in college because I was I was English
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: and film were my focus is. And Pep just like
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: took a random film class with me because it was
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: called the History of Horror Movies. It was top by
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: a priest and one of the movies recovered was Henry
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Portrait of a Serial Killer.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: Interesting and I wrote too.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: We had a midterm. In a final, I wrote a
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: paper for the midterm on the vision of the body snatchers,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: like the nineteen fifties one, oh, like the black and
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: white one. Yeah, yeah, I believe so. And then I
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: got like a B minus on it or something I
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: don't remember. And then I wrote a paper on Henry
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: and I got an A nice and the title of
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: my paper, which I'll talk about later, it was called
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: fuck the Bears. And I remember Pep was like, you're
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: the title at the top of your paper. The first
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: thing the professor who was a priest is going to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: see is the word fuck. And I said, I was
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: kind of not well in college, Like I just I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: did some like I just really tried to antagonize people
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: in a not healthy way. So I just was like, yeah,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: He's teaching this movie.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly exactly. And I ended up getting an A
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: on that paper.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: It's like, you're like, hey, I want to write a
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: paper about Henry Portrait of a sil Killer.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Like I read it was his idea, so I can't
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: be blamed. Yeah, but anyways, I think that we should
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: just dive right into the movie unless you have anything
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: else you want to add, No, buckle up everyone, This
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: is a merciful So it says it's over eighty minutes.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: The version I watched was not over it.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: I think they included the credits in that.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Because the version I watched was like seventy seven minutes
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: It was mine was I think. I think the second
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: it hit like one twenty one, it credits started. Twenty
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: one minutes it credits started, and I thought.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: To myself, I cannot believe. This is the shortest movie
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: I've seen in maybe ever. It's like feature length movie.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Is it free on YouTube right now?
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Is it really? I think it wouldn't surprise me scarily enough.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: But it is currently Oh no, no, oh no, it's
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: on Amazon That's what it was. It is currently if
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: you have Amazon Prime, it is on Amazon Prime.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: It currently has no major parent owner in terms of
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: like a movie studio, like how it was released independently
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: back in the eighties, especially a lot of movies released independently,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: like Evil Dead and stuff like that, like they don't
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: have like owners like they would now. Some get bought eventually,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: like some you know, major studios will buy properties, but
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Henry has never been owned by anybody. It's just kind
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: of like all these independent things called NPI with the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: original company made it.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: But I just went to to Prime Video and it
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: said do you want to watch this again? It should
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: be like are you sure? But I just clicked on
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: it to double check. It's seventy eight minutes.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: But they, I mean they, but it doesn't feel oh,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: it's it's a merciful like, yes, they're doing you a
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: favor that this thing was two hours. It's because I
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: think you just as we'll get to it. This just
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: circling the drain movie. I don't know how you could
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: do this for that long. And they don't obviously hold back. Yes,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: intense opening though intense opening credits, which is what it's
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: just the text comes up in the mute. I'll save
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: that for later, but the text comes up and it's
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: just like the music starting the score. The score in
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: this movie is so bad it is annoying.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: It was very eighties.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: It's very eighties. It's like done done, and it's the
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: one thing I thought the entire time like they didn't
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: use it a lot, which is good. They didn't use
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the score a lot, and infecially, they didn't use it
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: when they most other movies would use it. But these
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: are maybe four or five times in the movie. This
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: movie has zero score. I'm not kidding you. It's the
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: scariest movie ever. Man. It's my opinion. If I had
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: no music, it'll be the scariest movie all time, it
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: would be. I agree, it's just so, it would just
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: because it's just so like we're presenting all this to you.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: We're not doing any like, you know, anything to kind
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: of dress this up as dramatic stuff. But and the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: opening is a slow spinning shot of a dead woman
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: in a field.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah you just you see you. The movie starts close
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: up of her face and as you zoom out you
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: realize she's a nude corpse. Yes. And then it's Henry's
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: and a diner and he says to the waitress, real
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: nice smile, you got there, and she genuinely yeah, is
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the like touched and says thank you, Like she's not.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: She doesn't think he's being a creepy. And that's like,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: what's so important about watching this is like people are
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: not weirded out by Henry. He's very because he does
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: not Michael Rooker is kind of as a handsome toess.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't look like as intense as Rooker can be. Like,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: he does not look unapproachable in this movie. Yeah. Also,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: buying a pack of cigarettes at a diner, I was like,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: I was like wait what, I was like, blown away.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: That's how life used to We used to live free, Ryan,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: but nowadays the UK's banning cigarettes for all time. I
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: was listening to Sam Harris podcast and they were talking
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: about They're like, Sam, how do you feel about the
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: banning of cigarettes in the UK. And he was like, well,
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: it's not like you can never have them your whole life,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: and they were like, no, literally, that's what it is.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: He said, what but anyways, and his response was I
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: feel like people should be free to destroy their own lives.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Like Ron Swanson exactly. I think that what he's said.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: I think Swedom should sponsor all the public parks for profit.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: You want to blown up his six hundred pounds and
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: die of a hearttack at age thirty two, that you
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: write as an American it's Ron Swanson.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I used to think that. I really did, used to
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: think everything thought. I thought heroin should be legal, and
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: you know, we're all adults. We should live free the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: gambling boom and like Zin and like other things that
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: have been happening in the in the zeitgeist. I just
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I think that people are too dumb to be free.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: I saw a guy eight at one time. It was
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: pretty crazy, so I get you, yeah, and.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: That man poisoned himself. I think that people are too
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: dumb and need to be saved from themselves, honestly. But anyways,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: So throughout the beginning of the movie, they show a
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: lot of just like dead bodies. There's no violence, but
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: it shows a dead body and then you hear like
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: background audio of how you imagine they died.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: It's interesting how a lot of these are never the acts.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: It's always the what happens, what's left?
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Yes, and you know corpses. Like I said this, this
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: movie's not super gory, but it's just disturbing. So the
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: corpses are obviously that's gross, yeah, but none of them
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: are really like unpleasant. It's like a nude woman with
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: blood on her and she's not moving and her eyes
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: are open, so you assume she's dead, but it's not
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that graphic. And then they get to there's a woman
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: that seems to be a prostitute. Yeah, that is she
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: sitting on a toilet, and her death was she had
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a broken bottle shoved through her face. And that one
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: is rough.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: That one's pretty rough, and it looks it's a fake.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's an entirely fake person. I don't think.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's even like a real person wearing
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: a mask. And it's just I know this sounds deranged.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: It looks really good, meaning like it looks so real, yeah,
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: because it's like it's just disturbing to look at, very disturbing.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: There's a body, there's a body floating in a river,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: and you just hear audio. The reason that you know
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: the corpse on the toilet as a prostitute is because
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you hear you're in the background argue. You hear like
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: a woman's voice going like oh yeah, baby yeah, and
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: then scream.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm curious too, how many of these things were
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: concerns of like they didn't have the money to film
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: this stuff, so let's just do it this way. I'm
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: curious if that was the case. I don't know if
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: it was because it benefits the movie by not doing
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: it that way, But I'm really curious that's true, or
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: if that's what it was.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yes, Henry is now in his car scoping out
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: some ladies at the mall, just watching women walk around.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: There's one woman that he decides to follow home, and
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: then she gets out of her car and greets her husband.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: So Henry bales and son of the year that ku
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: saved his mom's life. He was following that one woman,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: watching that one woman for a long time, and then
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: like her son came up behind her and got in
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: the car, and he was and Henry like gets mad,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: like the kid kid ruined it. And I was just like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: that kid just saved his mom's life.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it cuts to like a teenage girl
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: a guitar hitchhiking on the highway, and.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I went on, I was, I was like, why are
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: we getting in this car?
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: But this is what I talked about back in the day.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: It's so hard to be a serial killer now. I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: always complained about that.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: But have you seen any hitchhikers recently?
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: No?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: You have?
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Last week?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: My father picked up one. Remember, yeah, you saw a
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: hitchhiker last week.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Most bizarre thing ever?
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: You pick him up?
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: No, maybe eleven thirty am on a Wednesday, bright sunny day.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: There's a church in Waltham called Sacred Heart. It's off
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: of it's like River Street and something else, and the
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: street behind the church can take you pretty much into Watertown.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Just a guy dressed like like he's gonna go hit
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the links in twenty minutes some out wow behind like
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: but like on a close It's almost like I didn't
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: want police to see him, but it's almost like you
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: want to pull over and tell him, like you a phone,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: just download uber like like why are we doing this?
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: It was so bizarre.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I think I've said this on the podcast. And my
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: dad recently picked up a hitchhiker, but he said he
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't a hitchhiker.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: He was just a guy looking for a ride across town,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: like a hitchhiker.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: And my dad is in his seventies, so it could
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: easily be taken advantage of. But uh, yeah, like back
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: in the day, I mean nowadays, there's cameras everywhere. Everybody
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: has phones, We have GPS everywhere. Yeah, there's security cameras everywhere.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: You could just do whatever you want. Back in the
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: day if you were a hitchhiker, yeah, and you didn't
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: end up dead.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Something was up. You were the killer?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Actually right right right, Henry. Throughout the entire movie is
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: a bumper sticker on his car. Do you know what
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: it says? No, the moose is loose.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's like his name. He wanted to be like
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: the killer. That's like his killer name, the.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Moose Otis or Otis. I've heard people pronounce it most
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: frequently as Otis, but I think in this movie they
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: call him Otis.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I thought it was Otis.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think in real life it's audist because
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: it's with two teas.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: But Otis goes to pick up Becky, who is his niece.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah and no sister sister, Yes, his sister Becky's Yeah.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Now this is We're going to not to confuse people,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: but I just want to because they live in a
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: hell world in real life, like HENRIALI, Lucas and autist
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Tool live in a hell world. This is from their
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Wikipedia page. Lucas relocated to Jacksonville, Florida, in nineteen seventy
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: six at a suit that there's so many points to this,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: just because the worse and worse and worse. At a
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: soup kitchen, he befriended Audust Tool, an occasional transvestite. In
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventy eight, he moved in with Tool and Toole's
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: mother in Springfield, Florida. Maybe he became close to Toole's niece,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: eleven year old eleven year old Becky Powell, who had
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: intellectual disability and had escaped from a juvenile the Tension Center.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: A period of stability followed, with Lucas and Toole working
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: together in a roofing company between nineteen seventy nine and
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, when they became romantically involved.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: So, like, the people who made this movie are like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: we have to make something up because the real story
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: is genus it's worse. Like it's almost like it was
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: gonna help them with being like, well this this movie
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: is horrifying. It's like the real story is way worse.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so Becky's eleven, It's like no, no, no, no, no.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: So they're pitching it to like like fucking like to
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: like Disney, Like they're pitching it to a studio. All right,
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: So let me be like the real story here insane?
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Oh god, So Becky in the movie. Now going to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the movie. Becky is Otis's sister and she was getting
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: out of a bad relationship with US's name Leroy.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Leroy okay, and our marriage.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Yes, and how if you had to guess, how is Becky?
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: So that's why when you said Niice, I was like,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: maybe I misheard it because she looks so much younger
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: than yes, and obviously he just looks how old?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: What do you think Henry is in this movie?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Henry? I'm gonna guess his early thirties, my guess maybe, Yeah,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: she looks to be mid twenties.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that's right. Yeah, I would say
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: that's right.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I actually thought she was actually the actor who
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: played Becky from Roseanne. That's what I thought at first.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: It kind of looked similar, Yeah, same a hair cut, yeah,
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: very much. So she like never really did anything else.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: No, And I think also I forgot like this movie
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the whole like with this movie being theatrically released quote
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: unquote in nineteen ninety when he's not technically true since
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: it was probably made in like nineteen eighty four eighty five.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, yeah, that's a good point. So Otis
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: goes back to his apartment with Becky. She's gonna be
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: staying there for a while. Because she broke up with
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: her husband Leroy. Yeah, and Henry walks in with a guitar,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: which is so weird. That's what the hitchhiker had. And
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: he says, oh, I brought I bought it. I got
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: you a present.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: What did he say he got it to?
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I don't remember way he words the response, so it's like, oh,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: it's like, where did you get it? I'm not gonna
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: lie to you the whole time when this scene is happening,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: I said, I know they're going to cut to the
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: results of that situation. I'm just waiting for it.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: They didn't.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: They didn't.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: They're smart, but yeah, I wrote here Henry is a
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: good man, just needs to find a nice woman to
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: settle down. So basically he's like, hey, Henry, Becky's going
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: to stay here for a while, Henry, and notice her
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: roommates the roommates, and Henry, being a gentleman, he says, Becky,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you take the spare bedroom. I will sleep on the couch.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: And Otis is very here at the beginning. No, No,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: he's aggressive as hell, talking about how since she, like Becky,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: was a stripper, he's obsessed with it. And he's like,
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: like when he's when first he's here in the airport,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: he's like, you look terrible. It's the first thing says
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: to her. Yeah, their dynamic gets worse.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: But their dynamics very like me and Bridget Yikes.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Really that's unfortunate to hear.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Oh.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: So Henry is a he's a neurosurgeon. So he checks
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: in at work at the hospital. Now Henry is an exterminator.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: When Henry was leaving because he's like, I gotta go
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: to work, all I can think of was Mark from
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the room. I'm really busy right now because there's just
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the way Henry was doing it.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: So he's an exterminator and he has a backpack of sprayer.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like a bug sprayer. And he's clearly doing
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: like just like day work. It's nothing crazy.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: So he's going to door to door and you can't
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: hear what he's saying, but he's clearly going door to door,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: likes offering exterminator services, and a woman opens the door.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: He likes, he's being turned away, and then a woman
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: opens the door and lets him in, and I wrote
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: and she's dead, and then it cuts to she's down
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: on the couch. So it's like Okay, that was right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: They're not showing any murders. They have not showed yet,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: there's no acts. Meanwhile, Otis is at work. He has
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: at a gas station dealing drugs to like a teen yes,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: and the kids. So Otis says, I'll drop off the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: drugs tomorrow night. And the kid says, I don't want
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: you hanging around my practices.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: And I just thought, oh no, oh man.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: So they're just like they goes back to just them
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: in their apartment at night, like they're done with the workday.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: They go home, they're hanging out drinking a beer. I
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: wrote a question I had for you. How much is
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: someone has to pay you to hang out all night
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: with them in their apartment. You will not be physically harmed,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: but you just have to chill with them and just talk.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: But someone don't know, Like what do you mean, Like, like.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: No, Henry and Otis with those two, yes, you will
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: not be physically harmed, but you have to hang on
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: and talk to them. I would be so deeply.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Do they have the new TV yet?
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: No?
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I with right now, Yes, I probably could
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: for a certain amount of money.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so Henry, I don't know where he goes at
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: this point, but Otis and Becky are alone.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Also, I forgot when Henry is touring with the bug spray. Yeah,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: speaking of the room, did you see the two guys
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: throwing a football four feet apart from each other right
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: in front of one of the houses, full circle, throwing
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: it back and forth two feet away.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Also, this movie predicted something else. We'll get into it. Okay,
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: we'll get into it. So Becky and Otis are alone
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: for some reason. I don't know where Henry goes. I
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: don't remember, and Otis says, the reason I know Henry
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: is we met in jail, in prison, and Henry was
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: in prison because he killed his own mother. And Becky's
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: kind of like, really.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a twos of that. I'll stay here.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: So this is maybe my favorite scene in the whole movie.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Is Becky and Henry play cards without Otis there and
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: get to know each other better. Yea, So she asked Henry,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: what was your dad?
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: I wrote this line though, I'm gonna ask.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: You and answer, Henry, what was your daddy?
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: Like he was a truck driver before his legs got
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: cut off. That's how he starts the discussion again.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: They live in like so. John c Riley, in an interview,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: said that Steve Rule lives in a hell world where
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: like everything bad happens. He's the butt of every joke.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Henry and Otis live in the hell world. He says,
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: it so like draw a truck until he got his
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: legs cut off.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they never tell you why, They never tell
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: you why it happened.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: And then they go, they go, uh, They're like, they're
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: just talking about stories from childhood. And Henry says, yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: my daddy bought me a bike and then he sold it.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Then my brother died. Just whoa story with the brother.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: He's like, he died and just like everyone he's around
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: is dead. It's like, Becky, lot a lot of red
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: flags around this. I know he compared to Otis, But
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: so Becky tells her childhood story. Not much better.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Nope, it's pretty awful, this story.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: Like I'm sorry for laughing. Everybody's listening to this, like
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: you're so sick, but this is just so insane. Becky
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: tells the story. She said, when I was five, my
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: dad bought me an ice cream cone and I dropped
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: it by accident. Obviously, a five year old wants the
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: ice cream because he was mad that like his money
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: was wasted. He slapped her and then made her eat
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: it off the ground. Can't imagine as a father. I
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: don't think I would hitdle it this way. No, I
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: would be like, I'd be so worried at Ceci's reaction,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Like she's gonna be more upset than me. She drops
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: the ice cream on and then she transitions if you
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: didn't think the ice cream story was bad. When she
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: was thirteen, her dad came in her room and told
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: her to get nude so he could see how she
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: was developing as a woman. He said he had the
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: right to sexually assault her as she is his property.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: She also added, he basically beat and raped me all
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the time. Yes, so they're playing cards. Becky pours her
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: heart out to Henry, tells a story about how her
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: dad constantly beat her and sexually assaulted her. Cuts to Henry.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Henry is barely paying attention, and he says, you didn't
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: get along with your daddy. Huh. I remember when I
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: first watched this in college. I was fucking crying at
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: that line that, like, like, you are so beyond a
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: psychopath to barely pay attention and say you didn't get
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: along with your daddy. Huh. Yeah, it's safe to say
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: she didn't.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: It's a really obviously scary but brilliant thing about this
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: movie is that Henry is so deceivingly approachable to certain people. Yeah,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: on the surface and the surface like he is, that
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: you can kind of almost see how this happened because
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: like not.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: There's more time you spend with them, the more you
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: are like okay.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: The more you unravel. Yeah, he unravels, but like you
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: kind of see, like, oh, this is why he's been
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: able to do this for so long and go through
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: all this stuff.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Becky asked, Henry, did you kill your mama? And he says,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I guess I did.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I stabbed her. She was a whore.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: And he's like so angry, and Henry says, basically, she
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: was a prostitute. She would make Henry watch her have
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: sex with her clients. Also, I'm sorry to laugh again,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: she if he did not watch his mother have sex
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: with her clients, she would beat him. That's not as
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: laughing at but and make him wear addressed. Yes, yeah,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: so let's just like okay, so you're making your son
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: watch you have sex, and his punishment if he refuses
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: as you make him wear address and weird, he turned
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: out to be a serial killer.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: It's weird. Maybe Chuck, you'd come out of it. I
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: don't know's I.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: Think I've talked about this in the podcast before, but like, like,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think people choose to be a serial killer
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: because like obviously something has to be really wrong with
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: your brain, and you either have a traumatic head injury,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: which has happened with a lot of serial killers, or
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: you had a traumatic upbringing. But one thing that when
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: like when your sexuality is developing, like like you know,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: to psychoanalyze myself. When I was growing up in the nineties,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: when my sexuality was developing, I loved bay Watch, I
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: loved Pamela Henderson, I watched Married with Children. So I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: just in the nineties was like I love boobs and
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: that's how my sexuality developed, and I love boobs now
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm very glad that I love boobs as opposed
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: to a lot of the time serial killers at some
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: point during their sexual development. In a situation like this,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: violence gets associated with sex. So like he was his
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: mom was making him watch him have sex and then
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: beating him if he didn't watch and when you have like, like,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: if you think about pedophiles for a second, there's something
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: is so like they say, father time is undefeated. Your
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: sexual desires are so irresistible, which is why I never
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: had a problem with people being gay. Is like, if
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: I was attracted men and I was not attracted to women,
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: there's nothing I could do about that, Like, it's not
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: a choice you're making. So like pedophiles are fucked up
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: in their brain. Or Louis c. K is a bit
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: about this where he's like, I love almondjoys. I love
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: almon days more than anything in the world. But the
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: most delicious thing. I want to eat almond joys all
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: day and night for the rest of my life. If
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: somebody told me, if you eat an almondjoy you'd be
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: registered as a sex offender. All of your friends would
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: disown you, your family would never talk to you, you'd
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: never get a job, you'd be poor, you might go
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: to prison and be beaten or killed. He was like, okay,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I would have noticed. I wouldn't even come close to
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: getting an almenjoy again, It'd be fine. So he's like,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: so pedophas must really like it. That was his joke.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: So to have the violence associated with sex. I'm so
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: glad that nothing happened to me that would make my
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: sexual desires twisted in this way, which is like, this
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: is clearly what it's like. One plus mone equals too,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: is what I'm saying, you know.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: What I mean?
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, My next note literally after I just said
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: all of this, the next note is Henry is a
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: good dude.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Also Becky's response to his story, that's creepy.
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Becky is like very into Henry because they both
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: get each other. Yeah, that's what she thinks, because they
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: both come like from horrible childhoods.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: But clearly he does not reciprocating at all. That's the
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: part she's not getting.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: And he says, yeah, one night she was so drunk
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: and trying to beat me, so I shot her. And
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: then Becky says, you just told me you stabbed her
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: to death, and he goes, oh, yeah, yeah that's right.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Does it correct it?
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: So like you don't know what is true what is false?
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: Like what is up? What is down? With Henry?
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you just know he was open to share that.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Oh and we were talking about funny subtitles. Yeah, the
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: next subtitle said upbeat music, not kidding. Go watch the DVD.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: The next subtitle says Upbeat Music and it's Becky looking
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: for a job in Chicago.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, this's montage. That's right.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like dude working NANTUA so getting turned down?
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: What do you mean they got the rights to the song.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I wrote a note at this point as a reminder
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: to share this story. So one time I came home,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: this was like years ago, not that long ago, but
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: like years ago, and I came home really really drunk,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: and I was with Eric and she was like, I'm
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: surprised you guys got so drunk. And I was like eh,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: And then she said, well, where's Livy tonight? And I
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: said Shi? And she was like Shi, Livy's in Shi,
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: And I just would not stray from saying Lidy's in Shi.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: She goes, what are you talking about? And then the
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: next day she realized I'm in Chicago, but I would
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: only call it Shi, which also reminds me of this
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: is way back in the day, like fifteen years ago,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: probably yeah, like six fourteen years ago. Eric got so
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: drunk with me one time. Then he came home and
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: told Libby that She was like, why are you so drunk.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: What was going on? And he said, I don't know.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: We went to Providence. We got in a cab and
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: we went to Providence. And she was like, you went
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: to Providence, Rhode Island. Why And he was like, I
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't want to go. I didn't want
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: to go to Providence. And then the next day he
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: woke up and she was like, Eric, what happened last night?
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Why did you go to Providence? And Eric goes, what
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: are you talking about?
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: We didn't go to Province?
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: What on earth? You like?
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: No, we were.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: We went to Seuthie. And so the for years after that,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: we were whenever Eric got really drunk, we'd call it going.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: To Province Lucas. There we go, Eric, Eric and Timo
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: the new Otis and Henry. Yeah, so this is when
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: this is when she comes home and say check out
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: what I got?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Yes, the earrings and the T shirt? Oh the T shirt?
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Well the first Henry says, then pretty earrings you got on? Yeah?
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: He's so intense and his his role in Mississippi Burning.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: Do you remember him? Missippi Burn?
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Never seen Missippi Burning?
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: I would love we could never do it. I love
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Mississippi Burning. And Eric Lee and I have like a
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: history of this movie. We watched it together and it's
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: a great movie. It's a true story, but we could
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: just never do it happen, right, it actually happened. It's
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: just so racist, Like everything about the movie is so racist. Yeah, no,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: it it's like it's a true story and it's great,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: but it's like for us to talk about what the
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: art people are saying. So dicey. But he's just so
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: intense in Mississippi Burning and he's so racist, And I wrote,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: I think I want to do Missippi Burning with art,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: but I don't think we can.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: But he's actually what's funny about this he is Even
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: though he's terrifying in this movie. I thought he was
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: way more intense in Marats You will never be good
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: enough for my daughter. It's like great in his face,
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: sweating bullets.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: So she comes back with his T shirt. Why don't
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: you explain the T shirt team?
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: But I I, it's my favorite line and come on,
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: knock on our door. So s I got this shirt.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: She holds it up. Henry is just eating dinner and
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Otis is looking at her and he's like, we'll put
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: it on, and she's like, turn around. It was really bizarre.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: So she's taking her shirt off, putting this shirt on,
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Otis tries to sneak a peek. She like waves, she
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: like playfully waves him off.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Brother.
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: Very bizarre, very bizarre, and then she puts it on.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: They all turn around and look at it. My favorite
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: line of this entire movie. Henry looks at it and goes,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: what's that saying on there? I love Chicago, so I did,
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: I wrote back. I was like, I wrote, I wrote,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Henry cannot read. I was like this is I'm like,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I wonder. I'm like, could he get by without reading?
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: And I was like he may be able to. Yeah.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: So she they're sitting down Becky's in the kitchen and
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Otis goes hanging to give me a beer, and she says,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: get it yourself. Okay, a broken clock is right twice
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: a day. I'm on Otis's side here otis Is, they're
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: sitting down, she's up, just get him a beer. The
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: fridge is right there, she's standing one. He doesn't want
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: to get up. She's right there, like, just get in
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the beer. However, not on Otis's side after this part
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: where Otis that flirt grabs his flirt, grabs his sister,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: yanks her into his lap and starts to make out
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: with her against her will, and Henry just grabs Otis
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: by the back of the head. And Michael Rookers the
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: most intense man has ever lived. Yes, don't do that, Otis.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: She's your sister.
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: And my next note is Becky, get home. Get what
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: are you doing?
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: We don't speak anymore?
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: There were you're living in this apartment.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: The part I forgot about this movie is the entire
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: like Otis and Becky aspect, and that just scot awful
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: as goes on right now, it does not it's the beginning.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: It's weird and.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Nope, nope, I mean, and then Becky like later suggests
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: like why don't you guys go out and get a beer?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: And then do you remember when Otis puts on his
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: like going out shirt, It's so odd. It's like a
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: blue like I'm going to a club shirt.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: So strange. So he definitely stole it, of course, yeah,
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: off of something.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: He I don't think Otis is killed at this point.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: That's this is the whole.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: This is where he gets his wings.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Every time, yeah, every time they kill someone, an angel
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: gets his swing, so they Becky's like, why don't you
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: go get a beer? And they go, okay, yeah, let's
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: go to a bar and get a beer. And by
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: that they mean they're gonna go pick up hookers. So
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: they go get hookers, and Henry obviously, first of all,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: they're both like, Otis is in the front seat with
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: his Henry's in the backseat with his weird Henry obviously
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: kills his hooker because like, what else are you gonna do?
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Pay him? And then Otis is like whoa, And before
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: either Otis or his prostitute can react, Henry kills Otis's
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: prostitute as well.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: And then it's like she does he see that she's
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: done because she starts to freak out after he kills.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: His prostitut Yes, as as she would. And then he's like,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: we got to get rid of the bodies. So they
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: kind of just and this is again back in the
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: day there's no cameras. You're just like, you know, DNA
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: was a thing, but if you're not in the database,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: you're fine. Investigate too, No less dead exactly, how do
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you think, like Henry Lee Lucas Is probably lied about
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: most of his murders but Gary Ridgeway, who I talk
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: about all the time, the Green River Killer, and I
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: talk about how people think serial killers are like Moriarity
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: or Hannibal Lecter. Gary Ridgeway was literally mentally handicapped and
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: he's one of the most prolific serial killers all the time.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: And the reason was he mostly murdered black prostitutes and
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the police did not care. Jeffrey Dahmer killed gay men.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: The police didn't want to care. They didn't want to
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: investigate gay shit because then they would get gay on them.
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: Yes, that was the mentality.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: So Otis is really concerned because he is not really
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: killed at that point, and he says, what's gonna happen
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: when they find the bodies. Henry's response is, nothing's going
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: to happen because nothing happened and I know nothing about it.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Whatever it is.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: WHOA.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: I hate to say this, but Otis get out of there.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Yes seriously, And Henry cannot believe Otis is never killed. Yeah,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: it's like it's Otis said like, I've never been to Canada.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I think I remember I
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: watched the DVD has a Making Up documentary, and I
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: think that scene when they killed the two prostitutes is
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: the first scene they shot, and Michael Roker was just like,
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: what what did I sign up for? He was just
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: like not abat. He just like he goes, I knew
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: this was gonna be tough, but he was like, that
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: was the first scene we did, and it's just like,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: I was like, there's just no place up, but he goes.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: He really says he's glad they started that way because
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: he thinks he if he started with Henry the way
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: the way the movie starts, you really don't see any
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: of his crimes or him committing there. You just see
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: the quote unquote more personable version of him. He would
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: have tried to play him more like quote unquote like
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: a more approachable person, and then he should be just
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: absolutely calculated monster.
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then they come back to the apartment and
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: I thought this was a great moment because they just
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: shit like dump bodies together. Henry sits down next to him,
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: takes a sip of a beer and then hands it
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: to Otis and then Otis is like, why are we
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: sharing a beer? And Henry just shrucks and says it
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: was the last one on the fridge. But it's almost
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: like you know they've bonded with the packed now they're
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: packed now and Ryan with that lovely moment. We're gonna
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: take it to a part too.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Just a fair warning, it does not get better.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm not kidding. Everything in this episode in part
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: one is tame comparison. We're about to get way, way,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: way worse in every way we're talking about like legit,
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not fucking with you. This is Solow level.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: This is Solow level.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: It's really there's a like watching it this morning, there
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: was just like during one of the things that I
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: was just saying to myself, I was like, they just
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: didn't need to make this. They just just like they
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: just didn't need to make this.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: And again, on top of what I just said, I
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: started this by saying, this is why the podcast exists
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: is because the movie is reported of serial killer. But
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: thanks for listening.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, no, no, I'm saying we should say too, Like
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: it's the reason it is this effective is because they
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: don't overdramatize it. They don't make it incredibly salacious or
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: like torture porny. They really are just kind of showing
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: you what it is.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: And it's hard yeah, yeah, it's not like everything we've
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: gone over thus far not gory at all. No, nothing
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: is gory. Like when he kills the prostitutes, you can
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: barely see if it's in a car. It's dark, and
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: he like snaps our necks, yeah, strangles.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Them, and it's I think the the really intelligent thing
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: the movie does, I think is really underrated about it
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: is that you are an accomplice. I think that's that's
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: the most cliche way to put. You're with them, so
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: you're in and I think that's the part that makes
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: you feel gross. It's like I'm I'm I'm in the
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: car with them. I'm doing this too. Yes, and it's
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: that whole like it's really interesting.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Yes, all right, Well tune in next time. Henry Borgerous
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: your killer bart dude,