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Exploring the Artistry of Children's Literature Through Tongue Twisters · Adventures in the Heart of Children's Book Authors Podcast

4:04
I'm
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Sue
4:04
Merle.
4:04
I'm
4:05
the
4:05
author
4:05
of
4:05
Shirley
4:05
Merle
4:06
and
4:06
Shirley
4:06
Murley
4:07
and
4:07
Clever
4:07
Trevor.
4:08
Oh,
4:08
thanks,
4:09
sue,
4:09
for
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appearing
4:10
on
4:10
the
4:11
Adventures
4:11
in
4:11
the
4:11
Heart
4:12
of
4:12
Children's
4:12
Book
4:12
Authors
4:13
podcast.
4:14
Sue,
4:15
as
4:15
she
4:15
mentioned,
4:16
has
4:16
written
4:16
a
4:16
book
4:16
series
4:17
about
4:18
Shirley
4:18
Merle.
4:19
And
4:19
we're
4:19
going
4:19
to
4:20
be
4:20
discussing
4:20
your
4:21
latest
4:21
book
4:21
in
4:21
this
4:22
series,
4:22
Shirley
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Merlee.
4:24
And
4:24
Clever
4:24
Trevor
4:25
and
4:26
I
4:26
look
4:26
forward
4:26
to
4:27
our
4:27
conversation.
4:28
Before
4:29
we
4:29
get
4:29
into
4:29
the
4:30
details
4:30
of
4:31
your
4:31
book
4:31
and
4:31
your
4:32
children's
4:32
book
4:33
authorship,
4:34
can
4:34
you
4:34
tell
4:34
us
4:35
what
4:35
it
4:36
means
4:36
to
4:36
you
4:37
being
4:38
a
4:38
children's
4:39
book
4:39
author?
4:41
So
4:41
I
4:41
get
4:41
asked
4:41
this
4:42
a
4:42
lot.
4:42
It
4:43
was
4:43
something
4:43
I
4:43
always
4:43
wanted
4:44
to
4:44
do,
4:44
but
4:44
I
4:45
didn't
4:45
actually
4:45
know
4:46
it
4:46
was
4:46
a
4:46
job.
4:47
Didn't
4:47
actually
4:48
know
4:48
people
4:48
wrote
4:49
the
4:49
books.
4:49
When
4:49
I
4:49
was
4:49
young
4:50
here
4:50
in
4:51
the
4:51
uk,
4:51
you'd
4:51
go
4:51
to
4:52
the
4:52
library,
4:52
you
4:52
could
4:53
borrow
4:53
six
4:53
books
4:53
when
4:54
I
4:54
was
4:54
young,
4:55
and
4:55
you'd
4:56
always
4:56
go
4:56
into
4:56
the
4:56
library.
4:57
I'd
4:57
see
4:57
the
4:57
books,
4:57
they
4:58
were
4:58
ever
4:58
changing,
4:58
but
4:59
I
4:59
never
4:59
thought
4:59
about
4:59
the
5:00
people
5:00
sitting
5:00
at
5:00
home
5:01
writing
5:01
them.
5:02
So
5:02
me,
5:03
I
5:03
thought
5:03
of
5:03
the
5:04
idea
5:04
of
5:04
Shirley
5:04
Merle.
5:05
Over
5:05
30
5:06
years
5:06
ago,
5:07
we
5:07
were
5:07
thinking
5:08
of
5:08
having
5:08
a
5:08
child.
5:08
My
5:09
surname
5:09
is
5:09
Merly.
5:10
And
5:10
we
5:10
said,
5:11
oh,
5:11
it'd
5:11
be
5:11
really
5:11
funny
5:11
if
5:11
we
5:12
called
5:12
her
5:12
Shirley.
5:12
So
5:12
she'd
5:13
be
5:13
Shirley
5:13
Merlee.
5:13
And
5:14
if
5:14
she
5:14
had
5:14
curly
5:14
hair,
5:15
she'd
5:15
be
5:15
a
5:15
curly
5:15
Shirley
5:16
Merle.
5:16
And
5:16
if
5:17
she
5:17
was
5:17
never
5:17
late,
5:17
she'd
5:17
be
5:18
an
5:18
always
5:18
early
5:18
curly
5:18
Shirley
5:19
Merly.
5:19
And
5:20
we
5:20
had
5:20
this
5:20
joke,
5:21
and
5:21
we
5:21
talked
5:21
about
5:21
this
5:21
joke
5:22
for
5:22
many
5:22
years.
5:23
I
5:23
did
5:23
have
5:23
a
5:24
daughter,
5:24
but
5:24
I
5:24
did
5:24
not
5:24
call
5:24
her
5:25
Shirley.
5:25
And
5:25
then
5:26
about
5:27
three
5:28
years
5:28
ago,
5:29
I
5:29
thought,
5:29
I'm
5:29
heading
5:29
to
5:30
retirement
5:30
now.
5:30
If
5:30
I
5:30
don't
5:31
try
5:31
now,
5:32
what's
5:33
going
5:33
to
5:33
do?
5:33
What
5:33
am
5:33
I
5:33
going
5:33
to
5:33
do?
5:33
I'm
5:34
never
5:34
going
5:34
to
5:34
know
5:34
if
5:34
I
5:35
can
5:35
make
5:35
it.
5:35
So
5:36
I
5:36
wrote
5:36
Shirley
5:36
Merle
5:37
down.
5:37
And
5:37
to
5:38
me,
5:39
that
5:39
first
5:39
day
5:40
when
5:40
I
5:40
could
5:40
go
5:40
on
5:40
Amazon
5:41
and
5:41
see
5:41
my
5:42
book,
5:42
and
5:42
the
5:42
first
5:43
day
5:43
I
5:43
could
5:43
type
5:44
Sue
5:44
Merly
5:44
into
5:45
Google
5:45
and
5:45
find
5:46
Sue
5:46
Merle,
5:46
author,
5:47
that
5:47
was
5:48
it.
5:48
It
5:48
was
5:48
just
5:49
amazing.
5:50
Perfect.
5:51
I
5:51
had
5:51
a
5:52
guest
5:52
on
5:52
and
5:53
Terry
5:53
Lilga,
5:54
episode
5:54
13.
5:55
She
5:55
had
5:55
the
5:56
same
5:56
story.
5:56
She
5:56
went
5:57
on
5:57
to
5:57
have
5:57
a
5:57
family.
5:58
She
5:58
was
5:58
a
5:59
teacher.
6:00
And
6:00
she
6:01
wrote
6:01
this
6:01
book
6:01
30
6:02
years
6:02
ago
6:03
and
6:03
then
6:03
put
6:03
it
6:04
on
6:04
a
6:04
yellow
6:04
pad
6:05
and
6:05
she
6:06
tucked
6:06
it
6:06
away.
6:07
And
6:07
when
6:08
she
6:08
retired,
6:08
she
6:09
thought,
6:09
if
6:10
not
6:11
now,
6:11
then
6:12
when?
6:12
Exactly.
6:13
And
6:13
that
6:13
is
6:13
what
6:14
I
6:14
say
6:14
a
6:14
lot.
6:14
I
6:14
say
6:14
this
6:15
and
6:15
I
6:15
say,
6:16
yes,
6:16
I've
6:16
thought
6:16
about
6:16
this
6:17
for
6:17
30
6:17
years.
6:17
I
6:18
always
6:18
say
6:18
it.
6:18
So
6:19
if
6:19
someone
6:19
was
6:19
having
6:19
a
6:19
baby,
6:20
I'd
6:20
say,
6:20
oh,
6:20
we
6:21
were
6:21
going
6:21
to
6:21
call
6:21
Our
6:21
little
6:21
girl
6:21
Shirley.
6:22
And
6:22
I'd
6:22
say
6:22
it
6:22
and
6:22
everyone
6:23
would
6:23
laugh
6:23
and
6:24
it
6:24
would
6:24
just
6:24
carry
6:25
on
6:25
and
6:25
on
6:25
over
6:25
the
6:26
years.
6:26
And
6:26
then
6:26
I
6:26
thought,
6:27
you
6:27
know
6:27
what,
6:27
I'm
6:27
writing
6:28
this
6:28
down.
6:28
And
6:29
then
6:29
obviously
6:29
more
6:30
recently
6:30
I
6:30
wrote
6:30
Shirley,
6:31
Molly
6:31
and
6:31
clever
6:31
Trevor.
6:32
I
6:32
write
6:32
in
6:33
rhyme
6:33
all
6:34
the
6:34
time
6:34
from
6:34
six
6:34
till
6:35
nine,
6:35
but
6:35
it's
6:35
fine,
6:37
it's
6:38
so
6:38
much
6:38
fun
6:39
and
6:40
I
6:40
write
6:40
rhymes
6:40
all
6:41
the
6:41
time.
6:41
So
6:41
I
6:42
wrote
6:42
the
6:42
rhyme
6:42
for
6:42
Shirley
6:43
Murray
6:43
and
6:43
clever
6:43
Trevor
6:44
and
6:44
then
6:44
thought,
6:44
well,
6:45
is
6:45
this
6:45
good?
6:45
Am
6:46
I
6:46
just
6:47
because
6:47
Shirley
6:47
Merle
6:48
has
6:48
taken
6:48
off,
6:48
am
6:49
I
6:49
thinking,
6:49
oh,
6:50
yes,
6:50
I
6:50
can
6:50
write
6:50
a
6:51
second
6:51
book?
6:51
So
6:52
I
6:52
actually
6:52
asked
6:52
a
6:52
couple
6:52
of
6:53
head
6:53
teachers
6:53
that
6:53
I
6:53
know
6:53
really
6:54
well,
6:54
I
6:54
said,
6:54
can
6:54
you
6:54
read
6:54
this?
6:55
Is
6:55
this
6:55
equally
6:56
as
6:56
good
6:56
or
6:56
am
6:56
I
6:57
clutching
6:58
at
6:58
straws?
6:58
And
6:58
they
6:58
said,
6:58
no,
6:59
this
6:59
is
6:59
good
6:59
in
6:59
its
6:59
own
7:00
right.
7:00
And
7:00
that's
7:00
how
7:01
I've
7:01
now
7:01
got
7:01
two
7:01
and
7:02
more
7:02
coming,
7:02
hopefully.
7:03
That
7:04
is
7:04
fantastic.
7:05
So
7:06
tell
7:06
us
7:06
the
7:07
inspiration
7:07
and
7:08
the
7:08
origin
7:09
story
7:10
behind
7:10
both
7:10
books
7:11
and
7:11
tell
7:12
us
7:12
what
7:13
has
7:14
changed
7:14
from
7:15
your
7:15
original
7:16
inspiration
7:18
to
7:18
now
7:19
from
7:19
your
7:19
first
7:20
book
7:20
to
7:20
your
7:20
second
7:20
book.
7:21
100%
7:22
obviously.
7:22
My
7:22
daughter
7:23
having
7:23
a
7:23
ginger.
7:24
You
7:24
can
7:24
see
7:24
this.
7:25
Yes.
7:25
Having
7:25
a
7:25
ginger
7:26
haired
7:26
daughter,
7:27
we
7:27
could
7:27
never
7:27
get
7:27
books
7:28
with
7:28
gingerhead
7:28
characters
7:29
when
7:29
she
7:29
was
7:29
little.
7:30
So
7:31
the
7:31
idea
7:31
of
7:31
Shirley
7:32
Murley
7:32
was,
7:32
oh,
7:32
if
7:33
we
7:33
have
7:33
a
7:33
little
7:33
girl,
7:33
as
7:33
I
7:34
say,
7:34
we'd
7:34
call
7:34
her
7:35
Shirley.
7:36
So
7:37
that's
7:37
how
7:37
it
7:37
started.
7:38
I
7:39
have
7:39
a
7:39
really
7:39
successful
7:39
book
7:40
tour
7:40
around
7:40
the
7:40
uk,
7:40
around
7:41
Hertfordshire,
7:42
which
7:42
is
7:42
where
7:42
I
7:42
am,
7:42
in
7:42
Bedfordshire
7:43
and
7:43
Essex,
7:44
they're
7:44
different
7:44
counties
7:45
in
7:45
England
7:46
and
7:46
I
7:46
go
7:46
to
7:46
schools
7:47
every
7:47
week,
7:47
I
7:47
go
7:47
to
7:48
a
7:48
different
7:48
primary
7:48
school
7:48
every
7:49
week
7:49
and
7:49
I
7:49
talk
7:49
to
7:49
the
7:49
children
7:51
and
7:51
my
7:52
passion
7:52
for
7:52
books
7:53
has
7:54
100%
7:55
increased
7:56
and
7:57
I'm
7:57
now
7:58
enthusing
7:58
the
7:59
children
7:59
and
8:00
when
8:00
they
8:01
say,
8:01
oh,
8:01
I'd
8:02
like
8:02
to
8:02
write
8:02
a
8:02
book,
8:03
I
8:03
know
8:03
I'm
8:03
doing
8:04
the
8:04
right
8:04
thing.
8:04
It's
8:05
just
8:05
a
8:05
passion.
8:05
It's
8:06
the
8:06
passion
8:06
of
8:06
getting
8:07
them
8:07
to
8:07
read
8:07
a
8:07
book
8:07
rather
8:08
than
8:09
watch
8:09
the
8:09
TV
8:10
or
8:10
play
8:10
on
8:11
a
8:11
computer
8:11
game.
8:12
So
8:12
with
8:12
Shirley
8:13
Murley,
8:13
obviously
8:14
based
8:14
on
8:14
my
8:14
daughter,
8:14
my
8:15
son,
8:15
they're
8:16
both
8:16
adults,
8:16
my
8:17
children,
8:17
you
8:17
wouldn't
8:17
think
8:18
it.
8:18
My
8:18
son
8:18
has
8:19
always
8:19
been
8:19
very
8:19
stroppy
8:20
about
8:20
it
8:20
and
8:20
so
8:20
I'm
8:21
not
8:21
in
8:21
Shirley
8:21
Merle.
8:22
In
8:23
Clever
8:23
Trevor,
8:24
we
8:24
illustrated
8:25
a
8:25
character
8:25
that
8:25
actually
8:26
looks
8:26
like
8:26
him.
8:27
He
8:27
is
8:27
a
8:28
football
8:28
coach
8:28
and
8:29
if
8:29
people
8:29
see
8:30
the
8:30
book,
8:32
oh,
8:32
very
8:33
my
8:33
son
8:34
and
8:34
look
8:34
like
8:34
my
8:35
son.
8:35
So,
8:35
yeah,
8:36
I'm
8:36
all
8:37
about
8:37
diversity.
8:37
I'm
8:38
all
8:38
about
8:38
making
8:38
sure
8:39
everyone
8:39
thinks
8:39
that
8:39
they
8:39
can
8:39
see
8:40
someone
8:40
like
8:40
themselves.
8:41
Yeah,
8:42
it's
8:42
just,
8:42
it's
8:43
the
8:43
passion
8:43
on
8:43
books
8:44
really.
8:45
That's
8:45
what
8:45
I
8:46
found.
8:46
More
8:47
and
8:47
more
8:47
that
8:47
I
8:47
love
8:48
talking
8:48
to
8:49
children
8:49
and
8:49
seeing
8:49
them
8:50
thinking,
8:50
oh,
8:50
you
8:50
know
8:51
what?
8:51
I'm
8:51
going
8:51
to
8:51
go
8:51
and
8:51
read
8:52
a
8:52
book.
8:52
I
8:52
was
8:52
saying
8:53
I
8:53
was
8:53
talking
8:54
to
8:54
someone
8:54
yesterday
8:55
and
8:55
we
8:56
were
8:56
talking
8:56
about
8:57
with
8:57
my
8:58
five
8:58
grandchildren
8:59
involved.
9:00
And
9:00
because
9:00
our.
9:01
Yeah,
9:01
five.
9:02
And
9:02
because
9:03
they
9:03
all
9:04
wanted
9:04
to
9:05
be
9:05
characters
9:05
in
9:05
the
9:05
book.
9:06
So
9:07
I
9:07
asked
9:07
them,
9:08
okay,
9:08
what
9:08
character
9:09
would
9:09
you
9:09
like
9:09
to
9:09
be?
9:10
But
9:10
we
9:10
made
9:10
sure
9:11
that
9:12
put
9:12
together
9:12
a
9:13
list
9:13
of
9:13
all
9:13
the
9:14
animals
9:15
that
9:15
are
9:15
that
9:15
live
9:16
naturally
9:17
in
9:17
the
9:18
Rocky
9:18
Mountains.
9:19
And
9:19
then
9:19
they
9:19
chose
9:20
their
9:20
own
9:20
character.
9:21
So,
9:21
yeah,
9:21
that
9:21
was
9:22
a
9:22
lot
9:22
of
9:22
fun.
9:22
So
9:23
I
9:23
do
9:23
think
9:23
it's
9:23
really
9:24
important.
9:24
So,
9:24
as
9:24
I
9:24
said,
9:24
we've
9:25
illustrated
9:25
my
9:25
son,
9:26
and
9:26
now
9:27
my
9:27
daughter's
9:28
fiance
9:28
said,
9:29
I'm
9:29
not
9:29
in
9:29
the
9:29
books.
9:30
He
9:30
chose
9:31
another
9:31
character.
9:31
He
9:31
said,
9:32
I
9:32
want
9:32
to
9:32
be
9:32
the
9:32
cowboy.
9:33
And
9:33
I
9:33
said,
9:33
there's
9:33
not
9:34
a
9:34
cowboy.
9:35
Clever
9:35
Trevor.
9:36
And
9:36
he
9:36
pointed
9:36
out
9:36
that
9:37
there
9:37
is
9:37
actually
9:37
a
9:38
cowboy
9:38
that
9:38
the
9:38
illustrators
9:39
have
9:39
put
9:39
a
9:39
cowboy.
9:40
Oh,
9:41
I've
9:42
all
9:42
decided.
9:43
And
9:43
actually,
9:44
if
9:44
you
9:44
look
9:44
at
9:45
the
9:45
characters
9:46
in
9:47
Shirley,
9:47
Molly
9:47
and
9:47
Clever
9:48
Trevor,
9:48
I
9:49
describe
9:49
myself
9:49
and
9:50
my
9:50
husband,
9:51
and
9:53
that's
9:53
terrific.
9:54
You
9:54
can
9:54
really
9:55
see
9:55
the
9:55
characters.
9:56
I
9:56
really
9:56
try
9:57
hard
9:57
to
9:57
make
9:57
sure
9:58
that
9:58
there
9:58
is
9:58
a
9:58
character
9:59
that
9:59
every
9:59
child
10:00
can
10:00
identify
10:00
with.
10:02
I
10:02
don't
10:02
like
10:02
to
10:02
see
10:03
that.
10:03
I'm
10:03
sitting
10:03
there,
10:03
I'm
10:04
standing
10:04
there
10:04
in
10:04
front
10:04
of
10:04
two,
10:04
three,
10:05
400
10:05
children,
10:06
and
10:06
I
10:06
look
10:07
around
10:07
and
10:07
I
10:07
think,
10:07
okay,
10:08
yeah,
10:08
I
10:08
can
10:08
see
10:08
all
10:09
the
10:09
characters.
10:09
The
10:10
diversity
10:10
I've
10:10
got
10:10
in
10:10
my
10:11
book,
10:11
I
10:11
can
10:11
see
10:12
that
10:12
is
10:12
mixing
10:13
and
10:13
matching
10:13
with
10:14
everybody
10:14
here.
10:14
And
10:15
I
10:15
try
10:15
and
10:15
really
10:16
bring
10:16
everybody
10:17
in
10:17
because
10:17
I
10:17
don't
10:18
want
10:18
it
10:18
to
10:18
be
10:19
just
10:19
a
10:19
girl
10:20
book
10:20
or
10:20
anything.
10:20
Like,
10:21
I
10:21
want
10:21
it
10:21
to
10:21
be
10:22
something
10:22
that
10:23
everyone
10:23
enjoys
10:23
and
10:24
touch.
10:24
So
10:25
far,
10:25
it
10:25
seems
10:26
to
10:26
be
10:26
going
10:26
in
10:26
the
10:26
right
10:26
direction.
10:27
I'm
10:27
really
10:27
pleased.
10:27
Yeah,
10:28
that
10:28
is
10:28
excellent.
10:29
I
10:30
was
10:30
interviewing
10:30
an
10:31
author,
10:31
Laura
10:31
Strachan,
10:32
episode
10:32
45.
10:33
And
10:33
she
10:34
actually
10:34
purposely
10:36
had.
10:36
It's
10:37
about
10:37
mermaids,
10:38
but
10:38
she
10:38
purposely
10:41
had
10:41
a
10:41
character
10:42
that
10:42
was
10:43
a
10:43
shark
10:43
that
10:44
she
10:44
didn't
10:44
name.
10:45
And
10:45
when
10:46
she
10:46
goes
10:46
to
10:46
do
10:46
school
10:47
readings,
10:48
she
10:48
says
10:48
to
10:48
the
10:49
boys,
10:50
oh,
10:51
why
10:51
don't.
10:51
Why
10:51
don't
10:52
you
10:52
name
10:53
the
10:53
shark?
10:54
So
10:54
just
10:54
to
10:54
get
10:55
them
10:55
engaged.
10:55
So,
10:56
yeah,
10:57
I
10:57
saw
10:57
in
10:58
one
10:58
of
10:58
the
10:58
ballet
10:58
studios
10:59
in
10:59
the
10:59
books,
11:00
there's
11:00
a
11:00
boy
11:00
ballerina.
11:01
And
11:02
I
11:02
do
11:02
get.
11:03
I
11:03
say,
11:03
does
11:03
anyone
11:04
here
11:04
do
11:04
ballet
11:05
classes?
11:05
And
11:06
I've
11:06
only
11:06
very
11:07
rarely
11:07
had
11:07
boys
11:08
put
11:08
their
11:08
hands
11:08
up.
11:09
And
11:09
one
11:09
boy,
11:10
little
11:10
boy
11:10
said,
11:11
oh,
11:11
but
11:11
that's
11:11
for
11:11
girls.
11:11
I
11:12
said,
11:12
it's
11:12
actually
11:12
not.
11:12
I
11:13
said,
11:13
to
11:13
be
11:13
a
11:13
boy
11:13
ballerina
11:14
is
11:14
a
11:14
huge
11:15
Strength
11:16
and
11:16
the
11:16
amount.
11:17
And
11:17
I
11:17
really
11:17
promote
11:18
that
11:18
and
11:18
I'm
11:19
really
11:19
all
11:19
about
11:19
that.
11:19
So
11:20
there's
11:20
a
11:20
little
11:20
girl
11:20
playing
11:21
football
11:21
in
11:21
the
11:21
book
11:21
and
11:22
things
11:22
like
11:22
that.
11:22
And
11:22
at
11:22
the
11:23
end
11:23
of
11:23
the
11:23
second
11:23
book,
11:24
it's
11:25
a
11:25
family
11:25
scene.
11:25
There's
11:26
Shirley
11:26
and
11:26
her
11:26
dog
11:26
and
11:26
her
11:27
mom
11:27
and
11:27
dad
11:27
and
11:27
they're
11:28
making
11:28
cakes,
11:28
but
11:28
it's
11:28
the
11:29
dad
11:29
who's
11:29
making
11:29
the
11:29
cakes
11:30
and
11:30
the
11:30
mum's
11:30
just
11:30
standing
11:31
there
11:31
watching
11:31
him.
11:32
Just
11:32
little
11:32
things
11:33
that
11:33
make
11:33
me
11:33
think.
11:33
Yeah.
11:34
I'm
11:34
making
11:34
sure
11:35
people
11:35
see
11:35
that.
11:35
It's
11:35
not
11:36
very
11:36
gender
11:37
stereotypical.
11:38
It's
11:38
all
11:38
very.
11:39
Anyone
11:40
will
11:40
enjoy
11:40
it.
11:41
There's
11:41
nothing
11:41
that
11:41
will
11:41
offend
11:42
anybody.
11:42
That's
11:43
fantastic.
11:43
Because
11:44
even
11:44
you
11:45
know
11:45
what.
11:45
And
11:45
sue,
11:46
it's
11:46
interesting
11:47
say
11:47
that
11:47
because
11:48
we've
11:48
got
11:48
two.
11:49
Two
11:49
books
11:49
in
11:49
print
11:50
right
11:50
now
11:50
and
11:51
we've
11:51
made
11:51
sure
11:52
if
11:52
you
11:52
look
11:52
at
11:52
this
11:53
page
11:53
here.
11:54
Yeah.
11:54
You'll
11:54
see
11:55
there's
11:55
animals,
11:57
people,
11:57
indigenous
11:58
people.
11:59
Exactly.
11:59
Living
12:00
in
12:00
harmony.
12:01
That's
12:01
the
12:01
neat
12:01
thing
12:02
about
12:02
being
12:03
children's
12:03
book
12:04
authors.
12:04
Exactly.
12:05
Is
12:05
we
12:06
have
12:06
this
12:06
license
12:07
to.
12:07
Well,
12:08
to
12:08
make
12:09
the
12:09
world,
12:09
I
12:09
think,
12:10
better.
12:10
I
12:10
think
12:11
so.
12:11
One
12:11
of
12:11
the
12:11
head
12:11
teachers
12:12
said
12:12
to
12:12
me,
12:12
one
12:13
of
12:13
the
12:13
areas
12:14
that
12:14
isn't
12:15
really
12:16
catered
12:16
for
12:17
are
12:18
children
12:18
with
12:18
cochlear
12:19
implants.
12:19
Deaf
12:20
children.
12:21
And
12:21
so
12:21
in
12:22
one
12:22
of
12:22
the
12:22
pages
12:22
in
12:23
Clever
12:23
Trevor,
12:24
I
12:24
haven't
12:24
mentioned
12:25
it.
12:25
I
12:25
don't
12:26
talk
12:26
about
12:26
this
12:26
character.
12:27
There
12:27
was
12:27
a
12:28
little
12:28
girl,
12:29
a
12:29
cochlear
12:30
implant.
12:30
Oh,
12:31
yeah.
12:32
And
12:32
they
12:32
said
12:33
to
12:33
me
12:33
that
12:33
if
12:33
a
12:33
child
12:34
has
12:34
this
12:34
and
12:34
is
12:35
there,
12:35
they
12:36
will
12:36
notice
12:36
it.
12:37
And
12:37
I
12:37
was
12:38
with.
12:38
I
12:38
was
12:38
presenting
12:39
at
12:39
an
12:39
event
12:39
and
12:40
there
12:40
was
12:40
a
12:40
family
12:40
there
12:40
and
12:40
they
12:41
bought
12:41
their
12:41
child
12:41
on.
12:41
And
12:41
she
12:42
was
12:42
doing
12:42
some
12:42
coloring
12:43
with
12:43
me
12:43
and
12:43
everything.
12:43
And
12:43
I
12:43
thought
12:44
she
12:44
has
12:45
hearing
12:45
aids.
12:46
And
12:46
I
12:46
don't
12:46
normally
12:47
point
12:47
it
12:47
out
12:47
to
12:47
people
12:48
because
12:48
I
12:48
don't
12:48
want
12:48
it
12:48
to
12:48
be
12:49
like,
12:49
oh,
12:49
look
12:49
at
12:49
me.
12:49
I've
12:50
been
12:50
very
12:51
diverse.
12:52
But
12:52
I
12:52
said
12:52
to
12:52
the
12:53
parent,
12:53
can
12:53
I
12:53
just
12:53
show
12:53
you
12:54
something?
12:54
And
12:54
I
12:54
showed
12:54
the
12:54
mum.
12:55
And
12:55
the
12:55
mum
12:55
was
12:55
quite
12:55
tearful
12:56
and
12:56
she
12:56
said
12:56
she
12:56
would
12:57
look
12:57
at
12:57
this
12:57
book
12:57
and
12:57
she
12:57
would
12:57
see
12:58
this
12:58
child
12:58
and
12:58
she'd
12:58
say,
12:59
she
12:59
looks
12:59
like
12:59
me.
13:00
She's
13:00
got
13:00
the
13:01
same.
13:01
And
13:01
obviously
13:02
she
13:02
bought
13:02
my
13:02
book,
13:02
which
13:03
is
13:03
a
13:03
bonus
13:04
for
13:04
me.
13:04
But
13:04
that
13:04
wasn't
13:05
the
13:05
point.
13:05
The
13:05
point
13:05
was
13:05
I
13:06
wanted
13:06
to
13:06
make
13:06
sure
13:06
that
13:07
people
13:07
could
13:07
see
13:07
that
13:08
everyone's
13:08
represented.
13:09
I
13:10
interviewed
13:11
an
13:11
author
13:11
recently,
13:12
Christiana
13:13
Greer,
13:13
episode
13:14
44.
13:14
Wrote
13:15
a
13:15
book
13:15
called
13:16
the
13:16
Boy
13:17
in
13:17
a
13:17
Wheelchair.
13:18
And
13:18
I
13:19
said
13:19
to
13:19
her,
13:20
I
13:20
said,
13:20
do
13:21
you
13:21
have
13:21
a
13:21
friend
13:22
or
13:23
family
13:23
member
13:23
that's
13:24
in
13:24
a
13:24
wheelchair?
13:25
And
13:25
she
13:25
said,
13:25
no.
13:26
And
13:26
I
13:26
said,
13:26
what
13:27
inspires
13:27
you?
13:28
And
13:28
she
13:28
said,
13:28
I
13:29
was
13:29
in
13:29
the
13:29
US
13:29
Military
13:31
and
13:31
I'm
13:32
very
13:32
active
13:33
in.
13:34
They
13:34
have
13:34
the
13:34
veterans
13:35
homes.
13:36
And
13:36
she
13:36
said
13:37
I
13:37
would
13:37
go
13:37
there.
13:38
And
13:38
of
13:38
course
13:38
some
13:39
of
13:39
the
13:39
guys
13:39
are
13:39
in
13:40
wheelchairs
13:41
and
13:41
she
13:42
just
13:42
wanted
13:43
to
13:43
bring
13:43
that
13:44
to
13:44
life.
13:44
But
13:44
she
13:45
did
13:45
it
13:45
through
13:45
a
13:45
children's
13:46
book,
13:46
which
13:46
I
13:46
thought
13:46
was
13:47
very
13:47
neat.
13:48
You
13:48
have
13:48
to
13:48
be
13:48
really
13:49
careful
13:49
that
13:49
you
13:49
don't
13:51
overdo
13:51
that.
13:52
You
13:52
don't
13:52
want
13:52
someone
13:53
to
13:53
let
13:53
that
13:53
and
13:53
tick
13:53
it
13:54
all
13:54
off.
13:54
Oh,
13:54
you've
13:54
got
13:54
someone
13:55
in,
13:55
someone
13:56
with
13:56
this,
13:56
someone
13:56
with
13:57
that.
13:57
You
13:57
don't
13:57
want
13:57
to
13:57
be
13:58
that
13:58
person
13:58
who's
13:58
just
13:59
putting
13:59
them
13:59
in
14:00
for
14:00
the
14:00
glory.
14:01
And
14:01
what
14:01
Krishana
14:02
was
14:02
trying
14:02
to
14:02
convey
14:03
was
14:04
through
14:04
the
14:04
whole
14:04
book
14:05
was
14:06
that
14:06
the
14:06
boy
14:06
in
14:06
the
14:06
wheelchair
14:07
could
14:07
do
14:08
anything
14:09
and
14:09
that
14:09
his
14:09
parents
14:10
made
14:10
sure
14:10
that
14:11
he
14:11
still
14:11
had
14:12
to
14:12
do
14:12
his
14:12
chores
14:13
around
14:13
the
14:13
house
14:14
and
14:14
stuff
14:14
like
14:14
that.
14:15
Yeah,
14:15
very,
14:16
very.
14:16
Yeah.
14:17
I'm
14:17
interested
14:18
in
14:18
as
14:19
now
14:19
that
14:19
you're
14:20
into
14:20
your
14:20
second
14:20
book
14:21
and
14:21
you're
14:21
thinking
14:21
ahead
14:22
to
14:22
more
14:23
books,
14:24
do
14:24
you
14:24
have
14:24
a
14:25
children's
14:25
book
14:26
business
14:26
plan?
14:27
And
14:27
if
14:27
you
14:27
do,
14:28
what
14:28
does
14:28
it
14:28
look
14:28
like?
14:30
I'm
14:30
just
14:30
going
14:30
to
14:30
look
14:30
at
14:30
my
14:30
piece
14:31
of
14:31
paper
14:31
because
14:31
I've
14:31
been
14:32
obviously
14:32
researching
14:33
what
14:33
sort
14:33
of
14:33
things
14:34
I
14:34
think
14:34
people
14:34
might
14:35
say.
14:36
So
14:37
when
14:38
my
14:38
business
14:38
plan
14:39
isn't
14:39
a
14:40
written
14:40
down,
14:40
set
14:41
in
14:41
stone
14:41
business
14:41
plan.
14:42
Okay.
14:42
But
14:43
I
14:43
had
14:43
to
14:43
find
14:43
my
14:43
way
14:44
of
14:44
getting
14:45
out
14:45
into
14:45
the
14:45
public
14:46
and
14:46
being
14:47
a
14:47
presenter
14:48
to
14:48
people.
14:49
So
14:50
for
14:50
the
14:50
first
14:51
year
14:51
and
14:51
a
14:52
half,
14:52
I
14:52
didn't
14:52
charge
14:52
to
14:53
go
14:53
to
14:53
schools.
14:53
I
14:54
didn't
14:54
charge
14:54
them
14:54
at
14:54
all.
14:55
Obviously
14:55
I
14:55
sold
14:55
my
14:56
books.
14:56
So
14:56
if
14:56
I
14:56
sold
14:56
books,
14:57
that
14:57
was
14:57
great.
14:57
But
14:57
some
14:58
schools
14:58
I'd
14:58
sell
14:58
half
14:59
a
14:59
dozen,
14:59
six
15:00
or
15:00
so.
15:00
And
15:01
some
15:01
schools
15:01
I'd
15:01
be
15:01
selling
15:02
50
15:02
or
15:02
60,
15:02
so
15:03
that
15:03
wasn't
15:04
bringing
15:04
in
15:05
a
15:05
regular
15:06
income.
15:06
And
15:07
then
15:08
I
15:08
spoke
15:08
to
15:08
my
15:08
two
15:09
friends
15:09
who
15:09
are
15:09
head
15:09
teachers
15:09
that
15:10
they
15:10
come
15:10
into
15:10
my
15:10
life
15:11
quite
15:11
a
15:11
lot
15:11
because
15:11
I
15:11
really
15:12
rely
15:12
on
15:12
their
15:13
honesty
15:13
because
15:14
I
15:14
think
15:14
what
15:15
would
15:15
they
15:15
say
15:16
they
15:16
are
15:16
in
15:16
the
15:17
schools,
15:17
they
15:17
are
15:17
my
15:17
prime
15:18
target
15:18
audiences.
15:19
And
15:19
they
15:20
both
15:20
said,
15:20
yeah,
15:20
you
15:20
should
15:21
be
15:21
charging.
15:21
You're
15:21
good
15:21
enough
15:22
to
15:22
charge.
15:23
So
15:23
I
15:23
guess
15:23
my
15:24
plan,
15:24
my
15:24
business
15:24
plan
15:25
going
15:25
forward
15:25
is
15:25
to
15:25
get
15:26
more
15:26
schools.
15:26
I
15:27
try
15:27
and
15:27
do
15:27
one
15:27
every
15:27
week,
15:28
but
15:28
I'm
15:28
also
15:29
now.
15:29
So
15:29
I
15:29
don't
15:30
know
15:30
if
15:30
you
15:30
have
15:30
these.
15:30
In
15:30
Canada
15:31
we
15:31
have
15:31
Women's
15:31
Institute,
15:32
though
15:33
it's
15:33
women
15:33
all
15:34
get
15:34
together,
15:34
mainly
15:35
retired
15:35
women
15:36
and
15:36
they
15:36
might
15:36
get
15:37
together
15:37
for.
15:37
They
15:38
have
15:38
a
15:38
speaker
15:39
sometimes
15:39
or
15:40
they
15:40
might
15:40
have
15:40
a
15:40
gardening
15:41
group
15:41
or
15:41
a
15:41
book
15:42
group
15:42
or
15:42
this
15:42
or
15:43
that.
15:43
And
15:44
to
15:44
go
15:44
and
15:44
speak
15:45
to
15:45
these
15:45
women's
15:46
institute,
15:46
obviously,
15:47
then
15:47
a
15:47
lot
15:47
of
15:47
them
15:47
are
15:48
grandparents
15:48
or
15:49
aunts
15:49
and
15:49
uncles,
15:50
and
15:51
they
15:52
have
15:52
a
15:52
real
15:53
mix
15:53
of
15:53
speakers.
15:54
They
15:55
have
15:55
to
15:55
apply,
15:55
and
15:56
you
15:56
have
15:56
to
15:56
go
15:56
along
15:56
and
15:57
be
15:57
vetted.
15:58
And
15:58
you
15:58
have
15:58
to
15:59
do
15:59
a
15:59
presentation
16:00
to
16:00
a
16:00
group
16:01
of
16:01
100
16:01
people
16:01
from
16:02
different
16:02
women's
16:03
institutes
16:03
and
16:03
see
16:04
if
16:04
they
16:04
approve
16:04
of
16:04
you.
16:05
So
16:06
I
16:06
did
16:06
that,
16:06
and
16:06
they've
16:07
now
16:07
put
16:07
me
16:07
on
16:07
their
16:07
list.
16:08
I'm
16:08
an
16:08
approved
16:08
speaker
16:09
for
16:09
that.
16:10
Again,
16:10
that's
16:11
another
16:11
thing.
16:12
I'm
16:12
trying
16:12
to
16:13
move
16:13
into
16:14
book
16:14
groups.
16:14
Go
16:15
along
16:15
to
16:15
book
16:15
groups.
16:16
So
16:16
I
16:16
guess
16:17
my
16:17
business
16:18
plan
16:18
is
16:18
to
16:19
get
16:19
myself
16:19
out
16:19
there.
16:20
I
16:20
do
16:20
events
16:21
now.
16:21
I
16:21
go
16:21
to
16:21
events,
16:22
but
16:22
when
16:22
I
16:22
go
16:22
to
16:22
an
16:23
event,
16:23
I
16:23
do
16:23
a
16:24
bit
16:24
of
16:24
story
16:24
time.
16:24
Obviously,
16:25
I'm
16:25
selling
16:25
my
16:25
books
16:26
and
16:26
my
16:26
merchandise,
16:27
but
16:28
I
16:28
take
16:28
some
16:29
coloring,
16:29
some
16:29
flags
16:30
and
16:30
things
16:30
just
16:30
for
16:30
the
16:30
kids
16:31
to
16:31
color,
16:31
and
16:32
they
16:32
can
16:32
take
16:32
them
16:32
away
16:32
with
16:32
them,
16:33
and
16:33
it's
16:33
free.
16:33
And
16:34
then
16:34
I
16:34
do
16:34
a
16:34
free
16:34
story
16:35
time.
16:35
So
16:35
I
16:35
sit
16:36
two
16:36
or
16:36
three
16:36
times
16:37
during
16:37
the
16:37
afternoons
16:38
and
16:38
I
16:38
just
16:38
read
16:39
to
16:39
the
16:39
kids
16:39
who
16:39
sit
16:39
bound
16:40
on
16:40
the
16:40
floor
16:40
near
16:40
me.
16:41
So
16:42
I
16:42
guess
16:42
that's
16:43
my
16:43
business
16:43
plan.
16:43
That's
16:44
my.
16:44
So
16:44
the
16:44
subject
16:45
matter
16:45
when
16:45
you
16:45
go
16:46
and
16:46
talk
16:46
to
16:46
these
16:46
women's
16:47
groups.
16:47
So
16:48
I
16:48
talk
16:48
about
16:48
being
16:48
an
16:48
author.
16:49
I
16:49
talk
16:49
about
16:49
being
16:50
an
16:50
author
16:50
writing
16:50
a
16:51
book.
16:52
I
16:52
talk
16:52
about
16:52
how
16:52
it
16:53
happened
16:53
for
16:53
me,
16:53
because
16:54
I'm
16:54
not
16:54
a
16:54
trained
16:55
teacher,
16:55
I'm
16:55
not
16:55
a
16:56
trained
16:56
presenter.
16:56
I
16:57
work
16:57
in
16:57
a
16:57
school
16:57
office.
16:58
I
16:58
work
16:58
doing
16:59
finance
16:59
in
16:59
an
16:59
office.
17:00
But
17:00
I
17:01
have
17:01
passion.
17:01
I'm
17:02
passionate
17:02
about
17:02
doing
17:03
it.
17:04
So,
17:04
yeah,
17:04
I
17:04
talk
17:04
about
17:04
being
17:05
an
17:05
author.
17:05
I
17:05
talk
17:05
about.
17:06
I
17:06
talk
17:06
a
17:06
lot
17:06
about
17:07
books
17:07
and
17:07
about
17:07
authors.
17:08
And
17:09
I
17:09
talk
17:09
about
17:09
things
17:09
like
17:10
pseudonyms
17:10
and
17:11
publishers,
17:12
how
17:12
publishers
17:12
don't
17:13
always
17:13
want
17:13
to
17:13
publish
17:14
you,
17:14
things
17:14
like
17:14
that.
17:14
And
17:15
I
17:15
just
17:15
bring
17:15
in
17:16
everything
17:16
I
17:16
can
17:16
that
17:17
might
17:17
interest
17:18
people.
17:18
Terrific.
17:19
Of
17:20
different
17:20
ages.
17:20
I
17:21
talk
17:21
about
17:21
that
17:21
to
17:22
the
17:22
children,
17:22
but
17:22
not
17:23
in
17:23
such
17:23
in
17:23
depth.
17:23
So
17:24
I
17:24
have
17:24
various.
17:24
I
17:25
have
17:25
lots
17:25
of
17:25
different
17:25
presentations,
17:26
depending
17:26
what
17:27
age
17:27
I'm
17:27
doing
17:28
for
17:28
sure.
17:28
Absolutely.
17:29
Because
17:29
I
17:30
went
17:30
and
17:30
talked
17:31
to
17:31
my
17:32
youngest
17:33
grandson's
17:34
school
17:35
class,
17:36
and
17:37
he
17:37
was
17:37
in
17:38
elementary
17:38
school,
17:39
but
17:40
they
17:40
were
17:40
just
17:41
a
17:41
little
17:41
bit
17:41
older
17:42
than
17:43
our
17:43
books,
17:43
arranged
17:44
from
17:44
4
17:44
to
17:45
10.
17:45
I
17:46
had
17:46
talked
17:46
to
17:46
the
17:46
teacher
17:47
and
17:47
she
17:47
said,
17:48
if
17:48
you
17:48
could
17:48
put
17:48
a
17:49
little
17:49
different
17:49
spin
17:50
on
17:50
it
17:51
in
17:51
terms
17:51
of
17:52
building
17:53
interest.
17:53
And
17:54
I.
17:54
So
17:54
I
17:54
came
17:55
at
17:55
it
17:55
from
17:55
a
17:55
little
17:56
different
17:56
approach
17:56
like
17:57
you
17:57
did,
17:58
and
17:58
talked
17:58
about
17:58
how
17:59
they
17:59
could
17:59
take
18:00
on
18:01
the
18:01
role
18:01
of
18:02
either
18:02
a
18:02
children's
18:03
book
18:03
author
18:04
or
18:05
they
18:05
could
18:05
actually
18:06
be
18:06
an
18:06
illustrator
18:07
or
18:07
an
18:08
editor.
18:08
And
18:09
I
18:09
described
18:09
all
18:10
the
18:10
pieces
18:10
it
18:10
took
18:11
to
18:11
actually
18:11
assemble
18:12
a
18:13
book.
18:13
And
18:14
there
18:14
was
18:14
just
18:14
a
18:15
lot
18:15
of
18:15
interest
18:15
in
18:16
that.
18:16
And
18:16
I
18:16
got
18:16
a
18:17
lot
18:17
of
18:17
great
18:17
questions.
18:18
When
18:18
I
18:18
do
18:18
these
18:18
slightly
18:19
older
18:19
children,
18:20
they
18:20
want
18:20
to
18:21
try
18:21
and
18:21
trick
18:21
me,
18:21
catch
18:22
me
18:22
out.
18:22
And
18:23
I
18:23
love
18:23
that
18:23
because
18:24
there's
18:24
nothing
18:24
I
18:24
haven't
18:24
been
18:25
able
18:25
to
18:25
answer
18:25
yet.
18:25
But
18:26
a
18:26
10
18:26
year
18:26
old
18:26
once
18:26
said
18:27
to
18:27
me,
18:27
what's
18:27
your
18:27
marketing
18:28
strategy?
18:29
And
18:29
I
18:29
thought,
18:29
oh,
18:30
okay,
18:30
you
18:30
are
18:31
actually.
18:32
I
18:33
love
18:33
that.
18:34
Smart
18:34
kid.
18:35
Yeah.
18:36
I
18:36
do
18:36
get
18:36
some
18:37
really
18:37
complex
18:38
questions
18:38
from
18:38
the
18:39
children
18:39
that
18:39
I
18:39
think,
18:39
okay,
18:40
yeah,
18:40
I
18:40
can
18:40
answer
18:41
this.
18:41
I'm
18:41
gonna
18:41
be
18:41
honest
18:42
with
18:42
you.
18:42
I
18:42
get
18:42
asked,
18:43
not
18:43
more
18:43
with
18:44
the
18:44
adults.
18:44
I
18:44
get
18:44
asked,
18:44
do
18:45
I
18:45
get
18:45
imposter
18:45
syndrome?
18:46
And
18:47
I'm
18:47
like,
18:47
yeah,
18:47
absolutely.
18:48
I
18:48
get
18:48
it
18:48
every
18:48
single
18:49
day.
18:49
Because
18:49
this
18:49
is
18:50
something
18:50
I
18:50
love
18:50
doing
18:50
and
18:51
I'm
18:51
passionate
18:51
about,
18:51
but
18:52
I
18:52
don't
18:53
know
18:53
whether
18:53
I'm
18:53
good
18:53
at
18:53
it.
18:53
I
18:54
seem
18:54
to
18:54
be.
18:54
People
18:54
like
18:55
it
18:55
when
18:55
I
18:55
talk,
18:56
but
18:57
yeah,
18:57
so
18:57
I
18:58
do
18:58
gear
18:58
what
18:58
I'm
18:58
talking
18:59
to
18:59
the
18:59
group.
18:59
I
19:00
did
19:00
my
19:00
first
19:00
book
19:01
club
19:01
a
19:02
little
19:02
while
19:02
ago
19:03
and
19:04
so
19:04
for
19:04
them,
19:04
I
19:05
took
19:05
a
19:05
pile
19:05
of
19:06
all
19:06
the
19:06
books
19:06
that
19:07
I've
19:07
some
19:08
books
19:08
that
19:08
I
19:08
had
19:08
when
19:08
I
19:09
was
19:09
a
19:09
child
19:09
and
19:10
I
19:10
talked
19:10
about
19:10
them
19:10
and
19:11
I
19:11
talked
19:11
about
19:11
different
19:12
authors
19:12
who've
19:13
done
19:13
with
19:13
the
19:13
pseudonym,
19:14
who've
19:14
written
19:14
books
19:14
under
19:14
two
19:15
different
19:15
genres.
19:16
I
19:16
took
19:16
copies
19:17
of
19:17
those
19:17
and
19:17
I
19:18
changed
19:18
what
19:18
I
19:18
was
19:18
doing.
19:19
So
19:19
I'm
19:19
not
19:19
literally
19:20
saying,
19:20
oh,
19:20
this
19:20
is
19:21
my
19:21
book,
19:21
my,
19:21
my
19:21
book
19:22
talking
19:22
about
19:22
being
19:22
an
19:23
author.
19:23
And
19:23
then
19:23
at
19:23
the
19:23
end,
19:24
quite
19:24
often
19:24
they
19:24
will
19:25
buy
19:25
it
19:25
because,
19:25
oh,
19:26
I'd
19:26
like
19:26
to
19:26
buy
19:26
your
19:26
books.
19:27
Which
19:27
is
19:27
fine.
19:27
But
19:28
I
19:28
find
19:28
that,
19:29
yeah,
19:29
it's
19:29
definitely
19:30
a
19:30
hard
19:30
one
19:30
because
19:30
when
19:31
you
19:31
get
19:31
to
19:31
the
19:31
older
19:31
children
19:32
and
19:32
the
19:32
adults,
19:33
you
19:33
have
19:33
to
19:34
have
19:34
something
19:35
of
19:35
interest
19:35
for
19:35
them.
19:36
And
19:36
it's
19:36
interesting
19:37
you
19:37
say
19:37
that.
19:37
One
19:37
of
19:38
my
19:38
first
19:38
guests,
19:38
sonia
19:39
questa,
19:39
episode
19:40
14,
19:40
wrote
19:41
a
19:41
book
19:41
called
19:41
Money
19:42
Time.
19:43
And
19:43
what
19:43
was
19:43
interesting
19:45
is
19:45
that
19:46
when
19:46
I
19:46
went
19:46
to
19:46
her
19:47
social
19:47
media,
19:48
the
19:48
one
19:49
thing
19:49
that
19:49
she
19:49
didn't
19:50
have
19:50
is
19:51
children's
19:52
book
19:52
author.
19:53
And
19:53
I
19:54
said
19:54
to
19:54
her,
19:55
why
19:55
don't
19:56
you
19:56
have
19:56
children's
19:57
book
19:57
author
19:57
as
19:58
part
19:58
of
19:58
your
19:59
description
20:00
for
20:00
yourself
20:00
and
20:01
your
20:01
rule?
20:02
And
20:02
she
20:02
said,
20:03
oh,
20:03
I
20:03
never
20:04
thought
20:04
about
20:04
that.
20:05
And
20:07
after
20:07
we
20:08
got
20:08
off
20:08
the
20:08
call
20:09
in
20:10
about
20:10
15
20:10
minutes,
20:11
she
20:11
sent
20:11
me
20:11
a
20:12
message
20:12
and
20:12
said,
20:12
oh,
20:13
go
20:13
check
20:13
my
20:14
social
20:14
media
20:15
now.
20:16
So
20:16
she
20:16
made
20:16
sure
20:17
that
20:17
children's
20:18
book
20:18
author
20:18
was
20:19
front
20:19
and
20:19
center.
20:20
So
20:20
like
20:20
you
20:20
were
20:20
talking
20:21
about
20:21
earlier,
20:21
you
20:22
get
20:22
into
20:22
that
20:22
imposter
20:23
syndrome,
20:24
and
20:25
yet,
20:25
guess
20:25
what,
20:26
you're
20:26
a
20:26
published
20:26
children's
20:27
book
20:27
author.
20:28
I
20:28
think
20:28
that
20:28
people,
20:29
some
20:30
people
20:30
straight
20:30
away,
20:30
if
20:31
you
20:31
say,
20:31
I'm
20:31
A
20:31
children's
20:32
book
20:32
author.
20:32
I'm
20:32
a
20:32
picture
20:33
book,
20:33
like,
20:33
children's
20:33
picture
20:34
book
20:34
author.
20:35
They
20:35
think,
20:35
oh,
20:35
that's
20:36
not
20:36
for
20:36
me.
20:36
Because
20:37
it's
20:37
not.
20:37
And
20:38
they
20:38
don't
20:38
realize
20:38
that.
20:38
Actually,
20:39
I'm
20:39
not
20:39
talking
20:39
about
20:40
the
20:40
words
20:41
in
20:41
my
20:41
book,
20:42
even
20:42
though
20:42
everyone
20:43
loves
20:43
it,
20:43
because
20:43
I've
20:43
got
20:43
a
20:43
big
20:44
tongue
20:44
twister
20:44
in
20:44
my
20:44
book,
20:44
and
20:45
they
20:45
all
20:45
want
20:45
to
20:45
challenge
20:45
me
20:46
and
20:46
they
20:46
can't
20:46
beat
20:46
me
20:46
because
20:47
I'm
20:47
very
20:47
fast
20:47
at
20:48
it,
20:48
because
20:48
I
20:48
do
20:48
it
20:48
very
20:48
often.
20:49
But
20:50
there
20:50
are
20:50
places
20:51
where
20:51
they're
20:51
like,
20:51
oh,
20:51
no,
20:51
we
20:52
don't
20:52
think
20:52
we'll
20:52
have
20:52
it
20:52
for
20:52
the
20:52
older
20:53
children,
20:53
because
20:53
it's
20:53
a
20:54
kid's
20:54
book.
20:54
And
20:54
I'm
20:54
like,
20:55
that's
20:55
not
20:55
what
20:56
I'm
20:56
doing.
20:56
I'm
20:56
not
20:56
sitting
20:57
there
20:57
saying,
20:57
buy
20:57
my
20:57
book.
20:58
I'm
20:58
not
20:59
promoting
21:00
my
21:00
books.
21:00
I'm
21:00
promoting
21:01
being
21:01
an
21:01
author
21:01
and
21:02
books
21:02
as
21:03
a
21:03
whole.
21:03
Absolutely.
21:04
And
21:04
you
21:05
know
21:05
what
21:05
you'll
21:05
find
21:06
when
21:06
you
21:06
look
21:07
at
21:07
how
21:09
you
21:09
publish
21:09
a
21:09
children's
21:10
book?
21:11
Publishing
21:12
a
21:13
traditional
21:14
business
21:15
book,
21:15
or
21:16
nonfiction
21:18
or
21:18
fiction,
21:19
the
21:19
format
21:20
is
21:20
all
21:20
the
21:21
same
21:21
and
21:22
how
21:22
you
21:23
put
21:23
the
21:23
whole
21:23
book
21:23
together.
21:24
And
21:25
because
21:25
my
21:25
journey
21:26
started
21:27
through
21:27
Covid,
21:28
I
21:28
wrote
21:28
two
21:29
business
21:29
books
21:29
on
21:30
investment
21:30
real
21:30
estate.
21:32
Yes.
21:33
But
21:33
I
21:33
independently
21:34
published
21:34
them.
21:35
I
21:35
tried
21:35
to
21:35
get
21:35
a
21:35
traditional
21:36
publisher,
21:37
but
21:37
at
21:37
the
21:38
end
21:38
of
21:38
the
21:38
day,
21:38
the
21:39
one
21:39
thing
21:39
I
21:40
found
21:40
is
21:41
that
21:41
when
21:41
my
21:41
oldest
21:42
granddaughter
21:42
came
21:42
to
21:42
me
21:43
and
21:43
said,
21:43
papa,
21:44
can
21:44
we
21:44
do
21:44
a
21:45
children's
21:45
book?
21:46
I
21:46
already
21:46
had
21:47
the
21:47
fundamentals
21:48
of
21:49
how
21:49
to
21:49
bring
21:50
a
21:50
book
21:51
to
21:51
market.
21:51
So
21:52
just
21:52
to
21:52
encourage.
21:54
To
21:54
your
21:54
point,
21:55
when
21:55
you
21:55
go
21:55
out
21:56
and
21:56
speak
21:56
to
21:56
people,
21:56
you're
21:57
also
21:58
encouraging
21:59
them
21:59
just
21:59
to
21:59
become
22:00
an
22:00
author.
22:01
And
22:01
I
22:01
say
22:01
to
22:01
people,
22:03
writing
22:03
Shirley
22:04
Murley,
22:04
my
22:04
first
22:04
book,
22:05
it
22:06
took
22:06
a
22:06
long
22:06
time
22:06
to
22:07
write
22:07
it
22:07
because
22:07
I
22:07
kept
22:07
changing
22:08
bits.
22:08
Even
22:08
though
22:08
I
22:08
knew
22:09
the
22:09
story.
22:09
I'd
22:09
had
22:09
it
22:09
like
22:10
30
22:10
years.
22:10
I
22:10
knew
22:11
it,
22:11
but
22:11
I
22:11
kept
22:11
changing
22:12
bits
22:12
and
22:12
tweaking
22:12
it.
22:13
Writing
22:14
my
22:14
second
22:14
book,
22:15
it
22:15
was.
22:16
Everything
22:16
was
22:16
much
22:16
quicker
22:17
because
22:17
I
22:17
knew
22:17
the
22:17
process.
22:18
I
22:18
knew
22:18
what
22:18
to
22:19
say
22:19
to
22:19
the
22:19
publishers.
22:19
I
22:19
knew
22:20
exactly
22:20
what
22:21
I
22:21
wanted.
22:21
I
22:21
knew
22:22
that's
22:22
the
22:22
number
22:23
of
22:23
pages,
22:23
but
22:23
I
22:23
wanted
22:23
to
22:24
add
22:24
this
22:24
at
22:24
the
22:24
end.
22:24
I
22:24
knew
22:25
that.
22:25
I
22:25
wasn't
22:25
saying,
22:25
oh,
22:26
I
22:26
don't
22:26
know.
22:26
I
22:27
don't
22:27
know.
22:27
I
22:27
knew
22:27
what
22:28
I
22:28
was
22:28
doing.
22:28
And
22:28
that's
22:29
the
22:29
thing.
22:29
It's
22:29
publishing
22:29
a
22:30
book.
22:30
It
22:30
doesn't
22:30
matter
22:30
what
22:31
book,
22:31
the
22:31
process
22:32
of
22:32
publishing
22:32
a
22:32
book,
22:33
like
22:33
you
22:33
said.
22:34
I
22:34
would
22:34
like
22:34
to
22:34
know
22:35
a
22:35
little
22:35
bit
22:35
about
22:36
your
22:36
different
22:37
book
22:37
formats.
22:38
So
22:38
can
22:38
you
22:38
talk
22:39
to
22:39
us
22:39
about
22:40
soft
22:40
cover,
22:40
hardcover
22:41
and
22:41
the
22:42
ebook.
22:43
Just
22:43
talk
22:43
to
22:44
us
22:44
about
22:44
how
22:44
you
22:45
might
22:45
market
22:46
and
22:46
use
22:46
Those
22:47
different
22:47
formats.
22:48
So
22:48
I'm
22:48
with
22:48
a
22:48
hybrid
22:49
publisher.
22:49
So
22:50
I
22:50
have
22:50
a
22:50
publisher
22:50
who
22:50
do
22:51
it,
22:51
and
22:51
they
22:51
chose
22:51
the
22:52
format.
22:52
I
22:52
didn't
22:53
really
22:53
have
22:53
a
22:53
choice.
22:53
I
22:53
said
22:54
I
22:54
wanted
22:54
a
22:54
big
22:54
book,
22:55
like
22:55
a
22:55
larger
22:56
book.
22:57
So
22:57
because
22:57
you,
22:57
when
22:57
you're
22:58
reading
22:58
with
22:58
children,
22:59
little
22:59
tiny
22:59
books
23:00
don't
23:00
cut
23:00
it
23:00
for
23:00
me.
23:00
I
23:01
needed
23:01
something
23:01
bigger
23:02
that
23:02
they
23:02
could
23:02
see.
23:03
Yes.
23:03
And
23:04
they
23:04
did.
23:05
They
23:05
haven't
23:05
offered
23:06
me
23:06
the
23:06
option
23:06
of
23:06
a
23:06
hardcover,
23:07
and
23:08
I
23:08
don't
23:09
mind
23:09
that.
23:09
I'm
23:10
okay
23:10
with
23:10
that.
23:10
I'm
23:11
okay
23:11
with
23:11
having
23:11
a
23:12
paper
23:12
cover.
23:13
It.
23:13
It
23:14
works
23:14
well
23:14
for
23:14
what
23:14
I
23:15
do
23:15
and
23:15
for
23:15
when
23:15
I'm
23:16
at
23:16
schools
23:16
and
23:16
everything.
23:16
And
23:17
I
23:17
think
23:17
obviously
23:18
there's
23:18
a
23:18
cost
23:18
involved
23:19
if
23:19
you
23:19
have
23:19
a
23:19
hardcover.
23:20
So
23:20
this
23:21
works
23:21
well
23:21
for
23:21
me.
23:22
I.
23:22
I
23:22
personally
23:23
love
23:23
my
23:23
ebooks.
23:24
I
23:24
love
23:24
them.
23:24
The
23:25
books
23:25
they've
23:25
done.
23:25
Again,
23:25
my
23:26
publishers
23:26
have
23:26
done
23:26
it
23:27
and
23:27
I
23:27
downloaded
23:28
both
23:28
of
23:28
them.
23:28
I
23:28
bought
23:28
both
23:29
of
23:29
them
23:29
on
23:29
the
23:29
ebook
23:30
because
23:30
I
23:30
thought,
23:30
oh,
23:31
these
23:31
are
23:31
great.
23:31
And
23:32
I
23:32
can
23:32
see
23:33
them.
23:33
And
23:33
when
23:34
I
23:34
was
23:34
showing
23:34
you.
23:35
You
23:35
can
23:36
see
23:36
how
23:36
vivid.
23:37
I
23:37
got
23:38
to
23:38
turn
23:38
it
23:38
this
23:38
way.
23:38
Colors.
23:39
Yeah.
23:39
Like
23:39
it's
23:40
so
23:40
vivid.
23:41
For
23:41
sure.
23:41
Absolutely.
23:42
I
23:42
couldn't
23:42
agree
23:43
more.
23:44
Yeah.
23:44
I'm
23:44
very
23:44
impressed
23:45
with
23:45
what
23:45
they've
23:45
done.
23:46
I'm.
23:47
I'd
23:47
like
23:47
to.
23:48
This
23:48
is
23:48
just
23:49
a
23:49
fine
23:49
disguise.
23:49
We're
23:49
talking
23:50
about
23:50
what
23:50
we'd
23:50
like
23:50
to
23:50
do.
23:51
I'd
23:51
love
23:51
to
23:51
do
23:51
a
23:51
jigsaw
23:52
book.
23:53
So
23:53
I
23:54
don't
23:54
know
23:54
whether
23:54
you
23:54
get
23:54
them
23:54
over
23:55
there,
23:55
but
23:55
we
23:55
get
23:55
books
23:56
where
23:56
you
23:56
open
23:56
the
23:57
front
23:57
cover
23:57
and
23:58
then
23:58
the
23:58
page
23:59
would
24:00
have
24:00
a
24:00
jigsaw
24:01
of
24:01
that
24:01
page
24:02
over
24:02
it.
24:02
Oh,
24:03
you
24:03
take
24:03
it
24:03
off
24:03
and
24:04
then
24:04
you
24:04
can
24:04
make
24:04
the
24:04
jigsaw
24:05
over
24:05
the
24:05
page
24:05
and
24:05
then
24:05
you
24:06
turn
24:06
the
24:06
next
24:06
page.
24:06
I've
24:07
never
24:07
heard
24:07
of
24:07
that
24:07
before.
24:08
I've
24:08
heard
24:08
of
24:09
three
24:09
dimensional,
24:10
but
24:10
I've
24:10
never
24:10
heard
24:11
of.
24:11
Yeah.
24:11
What
24:11
did
24:11
you
24:12
call
24:12
it?
24:12
Jigsaw,
24:13
but
24:13
with
24:14
a
24:14
jigsaw
24:14
on
24:15
a
24:15
jigsaw
24:15
puzzle.
24:16
And
24:16
I
24:16
just
24:17
don't
24:17
know
24:17
how.
24:18
So
24:18
the
24:18
picture
24:19
would
24:19
have.
24:19
It
24:19
would
24:19
have
24:19
the
24:19
picture
24:20
and
24:20
it
24:20
would
24:21
have
24:21
an
24:21
edge,
24:22
a
24:22
slightly
24:23
raised
24:23
edge
24:23
round
24:23
the
24:24
side
24:24
of
24:24
the
24:24
picture
24:25
and
24:25
then
24:25
insert
24:26
into
24:26
it
24:26
is
24:26
the
24:26
jigsaw,
24:27
which
24:27
is
24:28
that
24:28
picture.
24:29
So
24:29
each
24:29
page
24:29
has
24:30
a
24:30
jigsaw.
24:30
And
24:31
I
24:31
love
24:31
the
24:31
next
24:31
time
24:32
I'm
24:32
in
24:32
a
24:32
bookstore,
24:33
we
24:33
have
24:33
one
24:33
pretty
24:34
close
24:34
to
24:34
us.
24:34
I'll
24:34
have
24:35
to
24:35
ask
24:35
them
24:36
if
24:36
they
24:36
have
24:36
a
24:36
jigsaw
24:37
puzzle
24:37
book.
24:38
Yeah.
24:38
And
24:39
looked
24:39
all
24:39
over,
24:39
trying
24:40
to
24:40
find
24:40
someone
24:41
who
24:41
can
24:42
do
24:43
that,
24:43
because
24:43
I
24:44
think
24:44
that's
24:44
great
24:45
for
24:45
a
24:45
children's
24:45
book
24:45
because
24:46
I
24:46
know
24:46
with
24:46
my
24:46
kids,
24:46
they
24:47
loved
24:47
the
24:47
jigsaw
24:48
books,
24:48
because
24:48
you
24:49
do
24:49
the
24:49
jigsaw,
24:49
then
24:49
you
24:49
turn
24:49
the
24:50
page.
24:50
Oh,
24:50
there's
24:50
another
24:50
one.
24:51
You
24:51
tip
24:51
all
24:51
the
24:51
pieces
24:51
out,
24:52
you
24:52
read
24:52
the
24:52
story,
24:52
and
24:53
then
24:53
you
24:53
make
24:53
the
24:53
jigsaw.
24:54
So
24:54
I
24:54
think
24:54
they're
24:55
great.
24:56
I
24:56
can't
24:56
find
24:56
out
24:56
who
24:56
can
24:57
do
24:57
it
24:57
yet,
24:57
so
24:57
I'm
24:57
still
24:58
looking
24:58
for
24:58
that.
24:59
Okay.
24:59
But,
25:00
yeah,
25:00
I
25:00
think
25:00
that
25:00
I
25:01
have
25:01
thought
25:01
a
25:01
lot
25:02
about,
25:02
like,
25:02
making
25:03
it
25:03
into
25:04
an
25:04
activity
25:04
book,
25:05
things
25:05
like
25:05
that.
25:06
And
25:06
that
25:06
hasn't
25:06
happened
25:07
as
25:07
yet.
25:08
So,
25:08
Yeah,
25:08
I
25:09
haven't
25:09
done
25:09
hardback.
25:10
I'm.
25:10
I
25:11
just
25:11
haven't
25:11
really
25:12
had.
25:13
It
25:14
sounds
25:14
awful.
25:14
So
25:14
I
25:14
haven't
25:14
had
25:15
the
25:15
time
25:15
to
25:15
think
25:15
about
25:15
that.
25:16
Yeah.
25:16
And
25:16
when
25:16
I
25:16
asked
25:17
that
25:17
question,
25:18
we
25:18
have
25:18
an
25:18
ebook,
25:19
and
25:19
we
25:19
have
25:19
ours
25:20
in
25:20
soft
25:20
cover.
25:21
We
25:21
don't
25:21
have
25:21
a
25:21
hardcover
25:22
book.
25:22
And
25:23
I
25:23
talk
25:23
to
25:24
children's
25:25
book
25:25
authors
25:25
all
25:26
the
25:26
time.
25:26
Some
25:27
love
25:27
the
25:27
hardcover,
25:28
and
25:28
some
25:28
of
25:29
them
25:29
are
25:29
adamant
25:30
about
25:31
sticking
25:31
with
25:31
just
25:32
the
25:32
hardcover.
25:33
But
25:34
I
25:34
think
25:34
today,
25:35
because
25:35
I
25:36
look
25:36
back
25:36
on
25:36
my
25:37
grandchildren,
25:38
and
25:39
they
25:39
can
25:39
be
25:39
pretty
25:40
rough
25:40
on
25:40
a
25:40
book.
25:42
They're
25:42
children,
25:43
so
25:43
it's
25:44
not
25:44
like
25:44
you're.
25:45
No,
25:46
exactly.
25:46
You're
25:47
going
25:47
to
25:47
a
25:47
museum.
25:48
And
25:48
whenever
25:48
I
25:49
go
25:49
to
25:49
a
25:49
school,
25:49
I
25:50
leave
25:50
a
25:50
copy
25:50
of
25:50
each
25:51
of
25:51
my
25:51
books.
25:51
I
25:51
sign
25:51
them
25:51
and
25:52
leave
25:52
them
25:52
for
25:52
their
25:52
library.
25:53
And
25:54
I
25:54
went
25:54
to
25:54
a
25:54
school
25:54
the
25:55
other
25:55
day
25:55
that
25:55
I'd
25:55
been
25:55
to
25:56
a
25:56
year
25:56
or
25:56
so
25:57
ago,
25:57
and
25:58
I
25:58
was
25:58
walking
25:58
through
25:58
their
25:59
library,
25:59
and
25:59
I
25:59
could
26:00
see
26:00
my
26:00
book.
26:01
And
26:01
I
26:01
went
26:01
over
26:01
to
26:02
it,
26:02
and
26:02
it
26:02
was
26:02
all.
26:03
It
26:03
was
26:03
crumpled
26:04
and
26:04
it
26:04
was
26:04
torn,
26:05
and
26:05
I
26:05
was
26:05
like,
26:05
oh,
26:05
my
26:06
God,
26:06
this
26:06
is
26:06
exactly
26:06
what
26:07
I
26:07
want
26:07
to
26:07
see.
26:07
Because
26:07
that
26:08
means
26:08
the
26:08
kids
26:08
are
26:09
using
26:09
it.
26:09
At
26:10
it.
26:10
If
26:10
it
26:10
was
26:11
pristine,
26:11
I'd
26:12
be
26:12
like,
26:12
no
26:12
one's
26:12
looking
26:13
at
26:13
it.
26:13
No
26:13
one
26:13
wants
26:14
to
26:14
see
26:14
it.
26:14
I
26:15
couldn't
26:15
agree
26:15
with
26:15
you
26:16
more.
26:16
So
26:17
now
26:18
you
26:18
were
26:18
talking
26:18
about
26:19
your
26:19
publishing
26:20
approach,
26:20
So
26:20
I
26:20
would
26:21
like
26:21
to
26:21
get
26:21
into
26:21
that
26:22
a
26:22
bit
26:22
more.
26:22
You
26:22
talked
26:23
about
26:23
having
26:23
a
26:24
hybrid
26:24
publisher,
26:25
Austin
26:26
McCauley,
26:27
explain
26:27
to
26:28
us
26:28
about
26:29
Austin
26:29
Macaulay,
26:30
and
26:30
then
26:30
also
26:30
explain
26:32
how
26:32
you
26:33
got
26:33
into
26:33
using
26:34
their
26:34
services
26:35
and
26:35
maybe
26:35
expand
26:36
on
26:36
their
26:36
services.
26:37
Yeah.
26:38
So
26:39
I'd
26:39
got
26:39
the
26:39
book
26:40
idea,
26:40
and
26:40
I
26:40
thought,
26:41
oh,
26:41
I'll
26:41
go
26:41
to
26:42
one
26:42
of
26:42
the
26:42
big
26:42
five
26:43
publishers.
26:44
Penguin,
26:45
Ladybird,
26:45
Puffin,
26:46
Harper
26:46
Collins.
26:47
But
26:47
they
26:48
don't
26:48
take
26:48
new
26:48
authors.
26:49
They
26:49
don't
26:49
take
26:49
new
26:50
children's
26:51
book
26:51
authors.
26:51
So
26:52
then
26:52
it
26:52
was
26:52
like,
26:53
all
26:53
right,
26:53
so
26:53
where's
26:53
an
26:54
author,
26:54
that
26:54
publisher
26:55
that
26:55
would
26:55
take
26:55
a
26:55
new
26:56
author?
26:56
And
26:57
I
26:57
literally
26:57
Googled
26:58
publishers,
26:59
and
26:59
I
26:59
would
26:59
Google
26:59
them,
27:00
look
27:00
at
27:00
their
27:00
reviews.
27:01
Now,
27:01
I
27:01
found
27:02
that
27:03
most
27:03
publishers
27:04
have
27:04
good
27:04
and
27:04
bad
27:04
reviews.
27:05
You
27:05
don't
27:06
find
27:06
any
27:06
that's
27:06
completely
27:07
fantastic,
27:08
good
27:08
and
27:09
bad.
27:09
And
27:10
to
27:10
be
27:10
honest,
27:11
I
27:11
didn't
27:11
really
27:11
know
27:12
what
27:12
a
27:12
hybrid
27:12
publisher
27:13
was
27:13
until
27:14
I
27:14
got
27:14
into
27:14
it.
27:15
The
27:15
element
27:16
is
27:16
that
27:16
you
27:16
end
27:16
up.
27:17
So
27:17
they
27:17
said,
27:17
do
27:17
I
27:18
want
27:18
my
27:18
illustrations
27:18
done
27:19
by
27:19
them?
27:19
Which
27:19
I
27:19
did
27:19
because
27:20
I
27:20
didn't
27:20
have
27:20
an
27:20
illustrator.
27:21
So
27:22
they'll
27:22
charge
27:22
me
27:22
for
27:22
the
27:22
illustrations.
27:24
But
27:24
then
27:24
if
27:24
I
27:24
went
27:25
privately
27:26
and
27:26
I
27:26
published
27:26
myself,
27:27
I'd
27:27
have
27:27
to
27:27
pay
27:27
for
27:27
illustrations.
27:28
So
27:28
I
27:28
didn't
27:29
feel
27:29
that
27:29
was
27:30
a
27:30
problem.
27:31
Right.
27:31
What
27:32
I
27:32
found
27:32
with
27:32
them
27:32
is
27:33
I
27:33
actually
27:33
really
27:33
like
27:34
them.
27:34
I've
27:34
got
27:34
both
27:34
books
27:35
with
27:35
them.
27:35
They've
27:36
really
27:36
done
27:37
well
27:37
for
27:37
me.
27:38
It
27:38
may
27:38
not
27:39
be
27:39
everyone's
27:39
cup
27:39
of
27:39
tea
27:40
because
27:40
as
27:40
I
27:40
say,
27:40
you
27:40
get
27:40
good
27:41
and
27:41
bad
27:41
reviews
27:41
from
27:41
people,
27:42
but
27:43
I
27:43
found
27:43
they're
27:43
always
27:43
there
27:44
when
27:44
I've
27:44
wanted
27:44
to
27:44
talk
27:45
to
27:45
them
27:45
and
27:45
ask
27:45
them
27:45
things.
27:46
They
27:47
have
27:47
promoted
27:47
me,
27:48
they've.
27:48
They
27:48
do
27:48
social
27:49
media
27:49
posts
27:50
with
27:50
my
27:50
books
27:50
in
27:50
them.
27:51
So
27:52
the
27:53
mainstream
27:53
publishers,
27:55
I
27:55
haven't
27:55
managed
27:56
to
27:56
get
27:56
through
27:56
to
27:57
any
27:57
and
27:58
I
27:58
know
27:58
that
27:58
you
27:58
can
27:58
go
27:58
through
27:59
agents,
28:00
but
28:00
then
28:00
from
28:00
what
28:01
I've
28:01
heard
28:01
with
28:01
agents
28:02
you
28:02
have
28:02
to
28:02
have
28:03
a
28:03
new
28:03
book.
28:03
They
28:03
won't
28:04
take
28:04
a
28:04
book
28:04
that
28:04
you've
28:04
already
28:05
got
28:05
published.
28:06
For
28:06
me,
28:06
I
28:06
was
28:07
trying
28:07
to.
28:08
I
28:08
think
28:08
it's
28:08
all
28:08
going
28:09
around
28:09
in
28:09
your
28:09
head.
28:09
You've
28:10
got
28:10
this
28:10
book
28:10
and
28:10
you
28:10
want
28:11
to
28:11
get
28:11
it
28:11
back
28:11
and
28:11
you're
28:11
like,
28:11
I
28:11
don't
28:11
know
28:12
what
28:12
to
28:12
do,
28:12
I
28:12
don't
28:12
know
28:12
what
28:12
to
28:12
do,
28:12
I
28:12
don't
28:13
know
28:13
what
28:13
to
28:13
do.
28:14
So
28:14
I
28:14
literally
28:15
went
28:15
through
28:15
Google
28:16
Foundation,
28:17
Austin
28:17
McCauley,
28:17
who
28:17
I
28:17
thought,
28:18
okay,
28:18
yeah,
28:18
they
28:18
seem
28:18
okay.
28:19
Subsequently
28:20
I
28:20
found
28:21
two
28:21
or
28:21
three
28:21
other
28:21
authors
28:22
who've
28:22
used
28:22
them
28:22
and
28:22
again,
28:23
they
28:23
feel
28:24
that
28:24
they're
28:24
okay
28:25
with
28:25
them
28:25
and
28:26
I've
28:26
recommended
28:27
them.
28:27
But
28:27
I've
28:28
said
28:28
to
28:28
people,
28:28
you've
28:28
got
28:28
to
28:28
understand
28:29
there
28:29
might
28:29
be
28:29
a
28:30
charge
28:30
for
28:30
certain
28:30
bits
28:31
of
28:31
it
28:31
because
28:31
they're
28:31
not.
28:33
When
28:33
you
28:33
get
28:34
a
28:34
traditional
28:34
publisher,
28:35
yes,
28:36
you
28:36
might
28:36
get
28:36
an
28:36
advance,
28:37
but
28:37
obviously
28:37
then
28:38
they
28:38
take
28:38
that
28:38
off
28:38
your
28:39
royalties
28:39
and
28:39
things
28:39
like
28:40
that.
28:40
Yes.
28:41
Swings
28:41
and
28:41
roundabouts.
28:42
So
28:42
with
28:42
Austin
28:43
McCauley,
28:43
they
28:43
give
28:43
quite
28:44
a
28:44
good
28:44
royalty
28:45
rate,
28:45
but
28:46
that's
28:46
because
28:46
you've
28:46
had
28:46
to
28:46
pay
28:47
up
28:47
your
28:47
illustrations
28:48
with
28:48
them.
28:48
If
28:48
I
28:48
didn't
28:48
have
28:49
illustrations
28:49
with
28:49
them,
28:50
obviously
28:51
I
28:51
don't
28:51
know
28:51
what
28:52
the
28:52
score
28:52
would
28:52
be.
28:52
Right.
28:53
But
28:54
they've
28:54
put
28:54
me
28:55
all
28:55
over
28:55
the
28:55
world.
28:55
I'm
28:56
everywhere.
28:56
I'm
28:57
in
28:57
all
28:57
different
28:57
countries,
28:58
all
28:58
over.
28:59
And
28:59
I
28:59
just
28:59
think
29:00
I
29:00
couldn't
29:00
have
29:00
done
29:01
this,
29:01
couldn't
29:01
have
29:02
published
29:02
it.
29:02
You
29:03
have.
29:03
I'm
29:03
so
29:04
impressed
29:04
with
29:04
people
29:05
who
29:05
have
29:05
self
29:05
published
29:06
anything
29:06
because
29:06
I
29:07
just
29:07
think
29:07
I
29:08
would
29:08
have
29:08
panicked
29:08
completely.
29:09
I
29:09
always
29:09
say
29:09
to
29:10
people
29:10
understand
29:10
that
29:11
independently
29:12
published
29:13
is
29:13
different
29:13
than
29:14
self
29:14
published
29:14
because
29:15
self
29:15
publishes
29:16
where
29:16
you
29:17
actually
29:17
find
29:17
a
29:18
hybrid
29:18
publisher.
29:19
Yes,
29:20
but
29:20
you
29:20
get
29:20
to
29:21
keep
29:21
all
29:21
the
29:22
rights
29:22
to
29:22
your
29:24
and
29:24
being
29:24
an
29:25
indie
29:25
publisher,
29:26
you
29:26
have
29:26
to
29:26
do
29:27
all
29:27
the
29:27
work
29:28
including
29:29
source
29:29
an
29:30
editor,
29:30
a
29:31
book
29:31
formatter,
29:31
a
29:32
graphic
29:32
artist,
29:33
cover
29:34
front.
29:35
And
29:35
back,
29:35
you
29:36
have
29:36
to
29:36
get
29:36
your
29:36
ISBNs,
29:37
you
29:37
have
29:37
to
29:37
get
29:37
your
29:37
copyright,
29:38
all
29:38
of
29:39
that.
29:39
And
29:39
yeah,
29:40
people
29:40
say
29:40
to
29:41
me,
29:41
now
29:41
that
29:41
I've
29:41
Talked
29:42
to
29:42
over
29:42
50
29:43
children's
29:43
book
29:44
authors,
29:44
they
29:44
say,
29:44
what
29:45
would
29:45
you
29:45
recommend?
29:46
And
29:46
I
29:46
said
29:46
I'm
29:47
an
29:47
indie
29:47
book
29:48
publisher.
29:49
So
29:50
I
29:50
lean
29:51
in
29:51
that
29:51
direction
29:52
because
29:52
we've
29:52
been
29:53
able
29:53
to
29:53
do
29:54
our
29:54
own
29:55
publishing
29:55
and
29:56
we've
29:56
so
29:57
far
29:57
we've
29:57
produced
29:57
two
29:58
books.
29:58
That
29:59
being
29:59
said,
30:00
if
30:01
you
30:01
don't
30:01
feel
30:02
that's,
30:03
that's
30:04
some
30:04
you
30:04
want
30:04
to
30:05
take
30:05
on
30:05
all
30:05
of
30:06
that
30:06
work.
30:06
I
30:07
said
30:07
every
30:08
single
30:09
self
30:10
published
30:10
or
30:11
hybrid
30:11
published
30:12
children's
30:12
book
30:12
author,
30:14
they
30:14
have
30:15
a
30:15
beautiful
30:16
book.
30:16
So
30:17
I
30:17
would
30:17
never
30:18
discourage
30:18
anybody
30:19
from
30:20
using
30:21
a
30:21
hybrid
30:21
or
30:21
a
30:22
self
30:22
published
30:23
publisher.
30:23
I
30:24
just
30:24
wouldn't.
30:24
I
30:25
because
30:25
at
30:26
the
30:26
end
30:26
of
30:26
the
30:26
day
30:26
the
30:27
product's
30:27
beautiful.
30:28
I
30:28
just
30:28
say
30:28
to
30:28
people
30:29
what
30:29
ends
30:29
up
30:29
happening.
30:30
The
30:31
cost
30:31
of
30:32
doing
30:32
all
30:32
that,
30:33
to
30:33
your
30:34
point
30:34
sue,
30:35
it
30:36
can
30:36
be,
30:36
is
30:37
more
30:37
expensive.
30:38
So
30:38
that
30:38
means
30:38
that
30:39
you
30:39
have
30:39
to
30:40
sell
30:40
more
30:40
books
30:41
to
30:41
break
30:41
even.
30:42
I
30:42
looked
30:43
into
30:43
this
30:43
as
30:43
well
30:44
because
30:44
obviously
30:44
I'd
30:45
done
30:45
book
30:45
one
30:46
and
30:46
I
30:46
was
30:46
really
30:47
proud
30:47
of
30:47
it
30:47
and
30:47
I
30:47
thought
30:47
how
30:48
will
30:48
I
30:48
do
30:48
book
30:48
two?
30:49
And
30:50
a
30:50
friend
30:50
of
30:50
mine
30:51
did
30:52
a
30:52
whole
30:52
breakdown
30:52
of
30:53
what
30:53
it's
30:53
cost
30:53
her
30:53
to
30:54
independently
30:54
publish
30:55
her
30:55
book
30:56
and
30:57
I
30:57
actually
30:57
was
30:58
less.
30:58
She'd
30:59
had
30:59
to
30:59
pay
30:59
more
30:59
for
30:59
illustrations,
31:00
she'd
31:00
had
31:00
to
31:00
pay
31:01
more
31:01
for
31:01
this,
31:01
more
31:01
for
31:01
that.
31:02
And
31:02
I
31:02
thought,
31:02
you
31:03
know
31:03
what,
31:03
I'm
31:03
okay
31:04
with
31:04
it.
31:04
My
31:05
books
31:05
are
31:05
small,
31:05
there's
31:06
22
31:06
pages.
31:06
They're
31:07
not
31:07
big
31:07
long
31:08
books.
31:09
Yeah,
31:09
it's
31:09
a
31:10
really
31:10
hard
31:10
one.
31:10
And
31:10
I
31:10
do
31:10
completely
31:11
agree
31:11
with
31:11
you.
31:11
That's
31:12
great
31:12
to
31:12
hear
31:12
because
31:13
I
31:13
have
31:13
to
31:13
tell
31:13
you
31:14
so
31:14
far
31:15
what
31:15
I've
31:16
seen
31:16
from
31:16
what
31:17
again
31:17
I'm
31:18
only,
31:18
I
31:18
can
31:18
only
31:18
go
31:19
by
31:19
what
31:20
you
31:20
can
31:20
go
31:20
online
31:20
and
31:21
see
31:21
the
31:21
prices
31:21
but
31:22
generally
31:23
I
31:23
found
31:23
that
31:24
the
31:24
prices
31:24
are
31:25
anywhere
31:26
from
31:26
double
31:27
to
31:27
triple.
31:29
Really?
31:29
A
31:29
self
31:30
published
31:30
book.
31:30
But
31:31
again
31:31
I
31:32
haven't
31:32
talked
31:32
to
31:32
anybody
31:33
in
31:33
the
31:33
UK
31:34
but
31:34
all
31:34
the
31:35
North
31:35
American
31:36
self
31:37
publishing
31:37
or
31:37
hybrid
31:38
publishing
31:38
companies
31:39
tend
31:39
to
31:39
and
31:40
you
31:40
know
31:40
what,
31:42
rightfully
31:43
because
31:43
they're
31:43
doing
31:44
it
31:44
to
31:44
get
31:44
you
31:45
a
31:45
beautiful
31:45
book.
31:45
So
31:46
again,
31:46
I'm
31:47
not
31:47
discouraging
31:48
anybody.
31:48
I
31:49
do
31:49
agree.
31:49
I
31:49
agree.
31:50
And
31:50
you
31:50
have
31:50
to
31:50
do
31:50
what's
31:51
right
31:51
for
31:51
you.
31:51
There's
31:52
also
31:53
some
31:53
very
31:53
unscrupulous
31:55
vanity
31:55
presses
31:55
who
31:56
will
31:56
charge
31:57
an
31:57
absolute
31:57
fortune
31:58
and
31:58
they'll
31:58
publish
31:59
anything,
31:59
and
32:00
they
32:00
make
32:00
you
32:01
feel
32:01
that
32:01
you're
32:01
an
32:02
author.
32:02
And
32:02
I've
32:03
seen
32:03
some
32:03
of
32:03
these
32:03
books,
32:04
people
32:04
have
32:04
sent
32:04
me
32:04
books,
32:05
and
32:05
I
32:05
look
32:05
at
32:05
them
32:05
and
32:05
I
32:06
think,
32:06
this
32:06
is
32:06
really
32:07
shocking,
32:07
but
32:08
someone's
32:08
charging
32:09
you
32:09
for
32:09
this.
32:10
And
32:11
I
32:11
have
32:11
to
32:11
be.
32:12
I
32:12
try
32:12
not
32:13
to
32:13
dishearten
32:13
anyone
32:14
because
32:14
some
32:14
people
32:15
might
32:15
not
32:15
like
32:15
my
32:15
books,
32:16
but
32:16
I
32:16
just
32:16
say,
32:16
well,
32:17
yeah,
32:17
I
32:17
love
32:17
and
32:18
I
32:18
find
32:18
something
32:18
I
32:19
love
32:19
about
32:19
it.
32:19
And
32:20
what
32:20
I
32:20
love
32:20
about
32:21
some
32:21
of
32:22
these
32:22
self
32:22
publishers,
32:23
too,
32:24
is
32:24
I
32:24
actually
32:24
had
32:25
a
32:25
children's
32:26
book
32:26
author,
32:26
Laurie
32:27
Orlinski,
32:27
on,
32:28
who
32:28
also
32:29
works
32:29
for
32:30
a
32:30
self
32:30
publishing
32:31
company
32:31
called
32:32
Yorkshire
32:33
Publishing,
32:34
and
32:34
they're
32:35
out
32:35
of
32:35
Chicago.
32:36
And
32:37
she
32:37
actually
32:38
has
32:38
been
32:39
phenomenal
32:40
in
32:41
getting
32:42
her
32:43
children's
32:43
book
32:43
authors
32:44
to
32:45
come
32:45
on
32:45
my
32:46
show.
32:46
And
32:47
so
32:48
she's
32:48
taken
32:48
it
32:49
to
32:49
another
32:49
level,
32:49
which
32:50
I
32:50
love.
32:51
Not
32:51
all
32:51
of
32:52
these
32:52
self
32:52
publishing
32:54
services
32:55
help
32:55
the
32:56
author
32:56
find
32:57
ways
32:57
of
32:58
getting
32:58
on
32:58
podcast
32:59
shows
32:59
or
32:59
on
33:00
television
33:00
or
33:01
radio.
33:01
But
33:02
anyways,
33:02
I'm
33:03
just
33:03
impressed
33:04
that
33:04
when
33:04
you
33:05
find
33:05
someone
33:05
like
33:06
that.
33:06
Yeah,
33:07
I
33:07
completely
33:07
agree.
33:07
I
33:08
do
33:08
all
33:08
my
33:08
own
33:09
major
33:09
marketing.
33:10
I
33:10
do
33:11
all
33:11
my
33:11
own,
33:11
like,
33:12
finding
33:12
people.
33:13
I
33:13
found
33:13
you
33:13
and
33:13
I'm
33:14
very
33:14
grateful
33:15
for
33:15
you
33:16
taking
33:16
a
33:16
chance
33:17
on
33:17
me,
33:17
all
33:17
of
33:17
these
33:18
things.
33:18
But
33:18
I
33:19
find
33:19
that
33:19
I
33:20
have
33:20
the
33:20
confidence
33:21
to
33:21
now
33:21
do
33:21
these
33:22
things
33:22
because
33:22
I
33:23
think
33:23
what
33:23
I'm
33:23
doing
33:23
is
33:23
quite
33:24
good
33:24
and
33:24
I
33:24
think
33:24
the
33:24
product
33:24
I
33:25
have
33:25
is
33:25
good.
33:25
I
33:25
think
33:26
my
33:26
books
33:26
are
33:26
good,
33:26
and
33:26
I'm
33:27
getting
33:27
such
33:27
positive
33:27
feedback
33:28
from
33:28
people
33:29
that
33:29
I
33:29
feel,
33:30
yeah,
33:30
I've.
33:31
I've
33:31
now
33:31
got
33:32
to
33:32
the
33:32
stage
33:32
where
33:32
I'm
33:32
in
33:33
profit,
33:33
which
33:34
is.
33:34
It
33:35
took
33:35
about
33:35
a
33:35
year
33:35
to
33:36
get
33:36
in
33:36
profit,
33:36
but
33:36
then
33:36
I
33:36
was
33:37
buying
33:37
lots
33:37
of
33:37
kit.
33:37
I
33:38
was
33:38
buying
33:38
the
33:38
big
33:38
banners,
33:39
I
33:39
was
33:39
buying
33:39
all
33:39
this.
33:39
So
33:40
it
33:40
all
33:40
went
33:40
into
33:40
the
33:40
pot
33:41
for
33:41
sure.
33:42
And
33:42
now
33:42
I'm
33:43
like,
33:43
you
33:43
know
33:43
what?
33:43
Yeah,
33:44
I
33:44
can
33:44
do
33:44
this.
33:44
I'm
33:45
all
33:45
right
33:45
with
33:45
this.
33:45
Yes.
33:46
Good
33:47
for
33:47
you.
33:48
I'm
33:48
curious,
33:48
too.
33:49
We
33:49
talked
33:49
about
33:49
illustrations
33:50
for
33:51
a
33:51
moment.
33:51
Did
33:52
they
33:52
provide
33:53
you
33:53
with
33:53
the
33:53
same
33:54
illustrator
33:54
for
33:54
both
33:55
books?
33:55
I
33:56
don't
33:56
know.
33:57
It's
33:57
very
33:57
interesting
33:58
because
33:59
what
33:59
happened
33:59
was
34:00
I
34:00
approached
34:01
them
34:01
and
34:01
said,
34:02
they
34:02
said,
34:02
we
34:02
can
34:02
do
34:03
your
34:03
illustrations.
34:03
We
34:03
have
34:03
an
34:04
illustration
34:04
team.
34:04
And
34:04
I
34:05
said,
34:05
absolutely
34:05
fine.
34:06
They
34:06
sent
34:06
me
34:07
some
34:07
illustrations
34:07
for
34:07
the
34:08
first
34:08
book
34:08
and
34:08
I
34:08
cried
34:09
and
34:09
I
34:09
said,
34:09
these
34:09
are
34:09
awful.
34:10
They're
34:10
not
34:10
what
34:10
I
34:10
imagined
34:11
at
34:11
all.
34:12
What
34:12
I
34:12
want
34:12
is
34:12
this.
34:12
They
34:13
went
34:13
away,
34:13
redid
34:14
them
34:14
all,
34:14
came
34:14
back,
34:14
and
34:15
I
34:15
said,
34:15
yeah,
34:15
but
34:15
could
34:15
you
34:16
change?
34:16
This
34:16
went
34:16
back.
34:17
This
34:17
was
34:17
Going
34:17
backwards
34:18
and
34:18
forward
34:18
several
34:18
times.
34:19
And
34:19
I
34:19
think
34:19
that
34:20
has
34:20
a
34:20
relevance
34:20
to
34:21
cost
34:21
as
34:21
well.
34:21
So
34:21
for
34:22
me,
34:22
they
34:22
didn't
34:23
charge
34:23
anymore.
34:23
They
34:23
charged
34:24
illustrations.
34:24
If
34:25
you're
34:25
with
34:25
a
34:25
person
34:26
who
34:26
you've
34:26
employed
34:27
as
34:27
an
34:27
illustrator
34:28
and
34:28
you
34:28
kept
34:28
going
34:28
back
34:29
and
34:29
changing
34:29
things
34:29
backwards
34:30
and
34:30
forth,
34:31
I
34:31
don't
34:31
know,
34:31
would
34:32
I
34:32
feel
34:32
kind
34:33
by
34:33
just
34:33
saying,
34:34
can
34:34
you
34:34
keep
34:34
changing
34:34
them
34:35
but
34:35
not
34:35
giving
34:35
any
34:35
more
34:35
money
34:36
when
34:36
they're
34:36
spending
34:36
all
34:36
this
34:37
time?
34:37
Anyhoo.
34:38
So
34:38
they
34:39
produced
34:39
the
34:39
illustrations,
34:40
and
34:40
I
34:40
was
34:40
very
34:40
pleased
34:40
with
34:41
the
34:41
end
34:41
result.
34:41
So
34:42
we
34:42
got
34:42
to
34:42
the
34:43
second
34:43
book.
34:44
I
34:44
said
34:44
to
34:44
them,
34:44
I
34:45
want
34:45
the
34:45
same
34:45
characters.
34:46
I
34:46
want
34:46
the
34:46
same
34:47
Mr.
34:47
And
34:48
Ms.
34:48
Burley,
34:48
I
34:48
want
34:49
the
34:49
same
34:49
Shirley.
34:49
I
34:50
want
34:50
them
34:50
to
34:50
look
34:50
the
34:50
same.
34:51
And
34:51
when
34:51
they
34:51
came
34:52
back
34:52
with
34:52
them,
34:53
I
34:53
look
34:53
at
34:53
them
34:53
and
34:53
I
34:54
think,
34:54
I
34:54
don't
34:54
know
34:54
whether
34:55
it
34:55
was
34:55
the
34:55
same
34:55
person
34:56
because
34:56
there's
34:56
slight
34:57
differences.
34:57
However,
34:58
there's
34:58
enough
34:59
the
34:59
same
34:59
to
35:00
make
35:00
me
35:00
feel
35:01
they
35:01
look
35:01
cohesive
35:02
as
35:02
two
35:02
the
35:03
same
35:03
under
35:03
the
35:03
same
35:04
guys.
35:04
They're
35:04
both
35:04
undershading.
35:05
I
35:06
have
35:06
to
35:06
tell
35:06
you,
35:06
our
35:07
illustrator
35:08
and
35:08
I
35:08
looked
35:08
around
35:09
in
35:09
Canada
35:10
to
35:10
find
35:11
an
35:11
illustrator.
35:12
And
35:12
it's
35:12
interesting
35:13
because
35:14
now
35:14
that
35:14
I'm
35:15
interviewing
35:16
children's
35:16
book
35:16
authors,
35:17
a
35:17
lot
35:17
of
35:18
my
35:18
American
35:19
guests
35:21
actually
35:21
have
35:21
used
35:21
Canadian
35:22
illustrators.
35:23
And
35:23
I
35:23
thought,
35:23
wow.
35:24
Anyways,
35:25
I
35:25
ended
35:26
up
35:26
with
35:26
a
35:27
gentleman,
35:28
Simon
35:28
Goodway
35:29
from
35:29
the
35:29
uk,
35:32
and
35:32
he's
35:33
never
35:33
been
35:33
to
35:33
Canada.
35:34
He's
35:34
never
35:34
been
35:34
to
35:35
the
35:35
Rocky
35:35
Mountains.
35:36
But
35:36
what
35:37
I
35:37
loved
35:37
about
35:37
him,
35:38
our
35:38
whole
35:39
children's
35:39
book
35:40
series
35:40
started
35:40
because
35:41
I
35:41
call
35:41
my
35:41
oldest
35:42
granddaughter
35:43
my
35:43
digital
35:44
grandchild
35:45
first,
35:46
because
35:46
every
35:47
picture
35:47
we
35:47
have
35:48
is
35:48
on
35:48
your
35:48
iPhone.
35:50
So
35:50
the
35:50
neat
35:51
thing
35:51
about
35:51
it
35:51
is
35:52
her
35:52
and
35:52
I
35:52
went
35:53
to
35:53
a
35:53
coffee
35:53
shop.
35:54
We
35:54
were
35:54
looking
35:54
through
35:55
the
35:55
pictures,
35:55
and
35:56
she
35:56
said,
35:56
papa,
35:57
we
35:57
got
35:57
all
35:57
these
35:57
pictures.
35:58
We
35:58
should
35:58
turn
35:58
them
35:58
into
35:59
stories.
36:00
So
36:00
it
36:00
was
36:00
nice,
36:01
because
36:01
when
36:01
I
36:01
finally
36:02
settled
36:02
on
36:03
Simon,
36:04
I
36:04
sent
36:04
him
36:05
the
36:05
pictures
36:05
of
36:05
our
36:06
adventures,
36:07
and
36:07
he
36:07
was
36:08
able
36:08
to
36:08
develop
36:09
all
36:09
of
36:09
our
36:10
characters
36:10
from
36:11
those
36:11
pictures.
36:12
And
36:12
he
36:12
got
36:12
a
36:13
real
36:13
sense
36:13
of
36:14
the
36:14
community,
36:15
even
36:16
though
36:16
he
36:16
had
36:16
never
36:16
been
36:17
to
36:17
the
36:17
Rocky
36:17
Mountains.
36:18
And
36:19
one
36:19
thing
36:19
I
36:19
will
36:20
say
36:20
is
36:20
that
36:22
Simon,
36:23
in
36:23
his
36:23
pricing,
36:24
said,
36:26
I'll
36:26
do
36:26
it
36:26
in
36:26
black
36:27
and
36:27
white.
36:27
You
36:28
can
36:28
make
36:28
some
36:28
recommendations,
36:29
and
36:30
I'll
36:30
give
36:30
you
36:31
one
36:32
more
36:33
in
36:33
the
36:34
price.
36:34
So
36:35
changes.
36:35
So
36:35
it
36:35
was
36:36
changing.
36:37
He
36:37
was
36:37
right
36:38
up
36:38
front
36:38
and
36:38
said,
36:39
you
36:39
know
36:39
what?
36:40
Have
36:40
a
36:40
look,
36:40
and
36:41
if
36:41
you
36:41
don't
36:41
like
36:41
something,
36:42
recommend
36:43
the
36:43
changes.
36:43
I'll
36:44
make
36:44
all
36:44
the
36:44
changes.
36:45
But
36:45
then
36:46
that's
36:46
as
36:46
far
36:46
as
36:47
I
36:47
go.
36:47
And
36:47
I
36:47
think
36:48
that's
36:48
what
36:48
I
36:48
was
36:48
saying.
36:48
I
36:49
think
36:49
it
36:49
is.
36:49
That's
36:50
fair.
36:50
They're
36:50
doing
36:50
A
36:51
very
36:51
skilled
36:51
job.
36:52
Yes.
36:53
But
36:53
for
36:53
me,
36:53
because
36:53
it
36:54
was
36:54
my
36:54
publishers,
36:54
I
36:55
went
36:55
back
36:55
and
36:55
forwards
36:56
and
36:56
both
36:56
books,
36:57
many
36:57
times
36:57
changing,
36:58
tweaking
36:59
and
36:59
got
37:00
that
37:00
done.
37:00
The
37:00
other
37:01
thing
37:01
for
37:01
me
37:01
is
37:02
I
37:02
don't
37:02
have
37:02
to
37:03
name
37:03
the
37:03
illustrator
37:04
on
37:04
my
37:04
books,
37:04
so
37:04
they
37:05
don't
37:05
get
37:05
any.
37:06
Which
37:06
some
37:06
people
37:07
have
37:07
said,
37:07
that's
37:07
not
37:07
very
37:08
fair.
37:08
And
37:08
I
37:08
said,
37:08
the
37:09
point
37:09
is,
37:09
it's
37:09
my
37:09
publishers,
37:10
they've
37:11
paid
37:11
for
37:11
a
37:11
service,
37:12
they've
37:12
done
37:12
the
37:12
service,
37:12
but
37:13
they
37:13
don't
37:13
ask
37:14
me
37:14
to
37:14
name
37:15
the
37:15
person
37:15
because
37:16
it's
37:17
a
37:17
team
37:17
who
37:17
are
37:17
doing
37:18
it.
37:18
And
37:19
it's
37:19
interesting
37:19
you
37:20
should
37:20
say
37:20
that,
37:20
because
37:20
I've
37:21
talked
37:21
to
37:22
children's
37:23
book
37:23
authors.
37:24
Some
37:24
have
37:25
done
37:26
exactly
37:26
like
37:27
you've
37:27
done.
37:28
Some
37:29
have
37:30
actually
37:30
given
37:31
the
37:31
back
37:31
of
37:31
their
37:32
book
37:32
or
37:32
backside
37:33
cover
37:33
of
37:33
the
37:33
book
37:34
equal
37:35
billing.
37:36
And
37:36
I
37:36
say,
37:37
wow,
37:37
that's
37:38
very
37:38
generous
37:39
of
37:39
you.
37:39
And
37:39
they
37:39
said,
37:39
I
37:39
love
37:40
my
37:40
illustrator
37:41
and
37:41
I
37:42
love
37:42
what
37:42
they
37:42
do.
37:42
And
37:42
I
37:43
say,
37:44
are
37:44
they
37:44
doing
37:44
anything
37:45
for
37:45
you
37:46
because
37:48
you
37:48
know
37:48
what
37:48
you're
37:49
promoting?
37:50
Yeah.
37:51
So,
37:52
yeah.
37:52
And
37:52
that's
37:52
the
37:53
whole
37:53
thing.
37:53
So
37:54
I
37:54
would
37:54
encourage
37:55
anyone
37:55
who
37:55
supports
37:56
their
37:56
illustrator.
37:57
Again,
37:57
this
37:58
is
37:58
my
37:58
opinion,
37:59
if
37:59
you're
37:59
going
37:59
to
38:00
support
38:00
your
38:00
illustrator,
38:01
make
38:01
sure
38:02
that
38:02
they
38:02
are
38:02
supporting
38:03
you
38:03
through
38:04
their
38:04
website
38:05
or
38:05
their
38:05
social
38:05
media.
38:07
And
38:07
if
38:07
they
38:07
do
38:07
that,
38:08
then
38:09
you've
38:09
got
38:09
a
38:09
broader
38:10
reach,
38:10
it
38:10
helps
38:11
you
38:11
sell
38:11
more
38:11
books.
38:12
And
38:12
if
38:12
you
38:13
look
38:13
at
38:13
our
38:13
books,
38:13
this
38:14
is
38:14
the
38:14
same
38:14
illustrator,
38:15
so
38:15
you
38:16
can
38:16
tell
38:16
that
38:17
it.
38:17
It
38:17
is
38:17
the
38:17
same
38:18
illustrator.
38:18
Exactly.
38:19
And
38:19
I
38:19
think
38:20
you.
38:20
You're
38:20
saying
38:21
absolutely
38:21
right
38:21
that
38:22
they
38:22
have
38:22
to
38:22
support
38:23
you,
38:23
because
38:23
it's
38:23
all
38:24
very
38:24
well
38:24
that
38:24
you
38:25
put
38:25
them
38:25
on
38:25
the
38:25
book
38:25
because
38:26
they've
38:26
drawn
38:26
the
38:26
lovely
38:27
illustrations,
38:27
but
38:28
then
38:28
they
38:28
disappear
38:29
and
38:29
go
38:29
into
38:29
another
38:29
book.
38:30
You're
38:30
then
38:31
promoting
38:31
your
38:31
book,
38:31
they're
38:32
getting
38:32
the
38:32
passive
38:33
income
38:33
from.
38:35
Wouldn't
38:35
bother
38:35
me
38:35
if
38:35
I
38:36
had
38:36
an
38:36
illustrator,
38:37
obviously,
38:37
and
38:37
it
38:37
was
38:37
someone
38:37
I
38:38
got
38:38
on
38:38
with
38:38
and
38:38
that's
38:39
how
38:39
it
38:39
worked
38:40
for
38:40
me.
38:40
It's
38:41
worked
38:41
with
38:41
the
38:41
publishers,
38:42
they've
38:42
illustrated
38:43
it
38:43
and
38:43
I'm
38:44
very
38:44
happy
38:44
with
38:44
the
38:44
illustration,
38:45
but
38:45
that's
38:46
only
38:46
because
38:46
I
38:46
was
38:46
very
38:46
pedantic
38:47
and
38:47
I
38:48
was
38:48
very
38:48
specific
38:49
about
38:49
what
38:49
I
38:49
wanted
38:50
and
38:50
I
38:50
went.
38:50
That
38:51
I
38:51
understand
38:52
completely.
38:52
So
38:53
one
38:53
of
38:53
the
38:53
unique
38:54
features
38:54
in
38:54
Shirley
38:55
Merle
38:56
is
38:56
the
38:56
friendship
38:56
with
38:57
her
38:57
dog,
38:58
Clever
38:58
Trevor.
38:59
So
38:59
tell
38:59
us
38:59
about
39:00
this
39:00
whole
39:01
concept
39:01
going
39:02
from
39:02
your
39:02
first
39:02
book
39:03
and
39:03
actually
39:04
bringing
39:04
in
39:05
this
39:05
character,
39:06
this
39:06
dog
39:07
character.
39:07
Yeah.
39:08
If
39:08
I
39:08
was
39:08
a
39:09
boy,
39:09
I
39:09
was
39:09
going
39:09
to
39:09
be
39:09
called
39:09
Trevor.
39:10
So
39:11
I've
39:11
always
39:11
talked
39:11
about
39:12
this.
39:12
So
39:12
that's
39:12
why
39:12
Clever
39:13
Trevor
39:13
became
39:13
about,
39:13
because
39:14
that
39:14
was
39:14
what
39:14
I
39:14
would
39:14
have
39:14
been
39:15
if
39:15
I
39:15
was
39:15
a
39:15
boy.
39:15
I
39:15
would
39:15
have
39:15
been
39:16
a
39:16
Trevor.
39:16
So
39:17
Clever
39:18
Trevor.
39:18
It
39:19
was
39:19
one
39:19
of
39:19
those
39:19
things,
39:19
what
39:20
can
39:20
I
39:20
do?
39:21
Because
39:21
I
39:21
can't
39:21
do
39:22
the
39:22
tongue
39:22
twister.
39:22
The
39:23
tongue
39:23
twister's
39:23
done.
39:24
That's
39:24
in
39:24
Shirley
39:24
Merle.
39:25
I've
39:25
got
39:25
to
39:26
think
39:26
of
39:26
something
39:26
different,
39:27
so
39:27
what
39:27
else
39:28
could
39:28
I
39:28
do?
39:29
And
39:29
I
39:30
sit
39:30
there
39:30
and
39:30
I
39:30
say
39:30
to
39:31
the
39:31
kids,
39:31
I
39:31
present
39:31
to
39:32
several
39:32
hundred
39:32
children,
39:32
I
39:33
say,
39:33
who
39:33
here
39:33
has
39:33
a
39:33
dog?
39:35
I'd
39:35
say
39:35
three
39:35
quarters
39:36
now
39:37
have
39:37
dogs.
39:37
I
39:38
personally
39:38
don't
39:38
have
39:39
a
39:39
dog.
39:40
I
39:40
always
39:40
say,
39:40
I
39:40
don't
39:40
need
39:41
one.
39:41
I've
39:41
got
39:41
a
39:41
son
39:42
and
39:42
a
39:42
husband
39:42
who
39:42
live
39:42
at
39:42
home,
39:43
and
39:43
they're
39:43
like
39:43
excitable
39:44
puppies.
39:44
So
39:44
I
39:44
don't
39:45
need
39:45
a
39:45
dog.
39:46
I
39:47
love
39:47
that.
39:48
So
39:48
I
39:48
don't
39:48
have
39:48
a
39:49
dog.
39:49
However,
39:50
I
39:50
felt
39:51
that
39:52
children
39:52
would
39:53
respond
39:53
to
39:53
a
39:53
dog.
39:54
And
39:55
ironically,
39:56
through
39:56
Covid.
39:56
And
39:57
since
39:57
then,
39:57
all
39:58
of
39:58
my
39:58
friends
39:58
have
39:58
got
39:59
dogs.
40:00
And
40:00
I
40:00
love
40:00
them
40:01
all.
40:01
They're
40:01
great
40:01
and
40:01
they're
40:02
fine
40:02
having
40:02
dogs.
40:03
I
40:03
chose
40:04
a
40:04
border
40:04
collie
40:05
for
40:05
the
40:06
dog
40:06
Clever
40:07
Trevor,
40:07
because
40:07
I
40:07
thought
40:07
it
40:08
was
40:08
very
40:08
recognizable
40:09
as
40:09
a
40:09
dog.
40:10
So
40:10
if
40:10
you
40:10
have
40:11
any.
40:11
I
40:11
don't
40:11
know
40:11
what
40:11
sort
40:12
of
40:12
dogs.
40:13
Breeds
40:13
you
40:13
have
40:13
in
40:14
Canada,
40:14
in
40:14
different
40:14
countries,
40:15
but
40:15
a
40:15
lot
40:15
of
40:15
the
40:16
breeds
40:16
that
40:16
are
40:16
here
40:16
are
40:17
mixed
40:17
breeds
40:17
now.
40:18
Yeah,
40:18
I
40:18
call
40:18
them
40:18
Heinz
40:19
57.
40:20
Yeah,
40:21
this
40:21
is
40:21
the
40:22
thing.
40:22
And
40:22
I
40:22
think
40:22
not
40:23
every
40:23
person
40:24
would
40:24
look
40:24
and
40:24
think,
40:24
oh,
40:24
that's
40:25
such.
40:25
That's
40:25
a
40:26
dog.
40:26
Whereas
40:26
I
40:26
think
40:27
this
40:27
is
40:27
a
40:27
very
40:27
obvious
40:28
dog.
40:29
Absolutely.
40:30
It
40:30
was
40:30
only
40:31
after
40:31
we'd
40:31
done
40:31
it,
40:31
we'd
40:32
done
40:32
the
40:32
illustrations,
40:32
got
40:33
it
40:33
all
40:33
published,
40:33
that
40:33
I
40:33
realized
40:34
one
40:34
of
40:34
my
40:34
friends
40:35
had
40:35
a
40:35
border
40:35
collie
40:36
that
40:36
looked
40:36
exactly
40:36
like
40:37
Clever
40:37
Trevor.
40:38
So
40:38
all
40:38
the
40:38
other
40:38
friends
40:39
are
40:39
like,
40:39
I
40:39
can't
40:39
believe
40:40
you
40:40
used
40:40
her
40:40
dog
40:41
and
40:41
not
40:41
ours.
40:41
I'm
40:41
like,
40:42
I
40:42
didn't.
40:43
I
40:43
just
40:43
used
40:44
a
40:44
dog.
40:44
I
40:45
was
40:45
googling
40:45
dogs
40:46
for
40:46
children's
40:47
books
40:47
and
40:47
looking
40:47
at
40:48
all
40:48
the
40:48
different
40:48
dogs
40:49
to
40:49
see
40:49
one
40:50
that
40:51
every
40:51
person
40:51
in
40:52
every
40:52
country
40:52
would
40:52
recognize.
40:53
What
40:53
a
40:53
great
40:53
story.
40:55
It's
40:55
funny
40:55
now
40:56
when
40:56
you
40:56
talk
40:56
about
40:57
everybody
40:57
wants
40:58
to
40:58
be
40:58
a
40:58
character
40:58
in
40:59
your
40:59
book
40:59
and
40:59
now
41:00
everybody
41:00
wants
41:01
a
41:01
dog.
41:02
Exactly.
41:03
But
41:03
I
41:04
have
41:04
said,
41:04
because
41:04
we
41:04
do
41:05
as
41:05
I
41:05
say,
41:05
we
41:05
do
41:06
events.
41:06
And
41:06
I've
41:06
said
41:06
to
41:06
my
41:07
friend,
41:07
would
41:07
you
41:07
come
41:07
along
41:08
with
41:08
your
41:08
dog?
41:08
Because
41:09
then
41:09
I've
41:09
got
41:09
the
41:09
real
41:09
life
41:10
Clever
41:10
Trevor
41:10
with
41:11
me.
41:13
I
41:13
love
41:14
it.
41:15
I
41:15
love
41:15
it.
41:15
I
41:16
want
41:16
to
41:16
talk
41:16
to
41:16
you
41:16
about
41:17
website
41:17
development
41:18
because
41:19
this
41:19
is
41:19
a
41:20
websites.
41:21
When
41:21
we
41:22
first
41:22
started,
41:22
someone
41:23
said
41:23
to
41:24
us,
41:24
and
41:24
I
41:24
know
41:25
my
41:25
audience
41:25
has
41:25
heard
41:26
this
41:26
before,
41:26
but
41:27
they
41:27
said,
41:27
oh,
41:28
do
41:28
you
41:28
have
41:28
a
41:28
website?
41:28
And
41:29
I
41:29
said,
41:29
a
41:29
website.
41:29
And
41:30
they
41:30
said,
41:30
there's
41:30
a
41:31
home
41:31
for
41:31
your
41:31
books.
41:32
And
41:32
I
41:32
never
41:32
really
41:33
thought
41:33
about
41:33
that
41:34
until
41:34
I
41:35
got
41:35
all
41:36
these
41:36
questions.
41:36
And
41:37
so
41:38
we
41:38
came
41:38
to
41:38
our
41:39
website
41:40
late.
41:40
We
41:41
probably
41:41
launched
41:41
it
41:42
about
41:42
six
41:42
months
41:42
after
41:43
we
41:43
launched
41:43
our
41:44
first
41:44
book.
41:44
So
41:45
tell
41:45
us
41:45
about
41:45
your.
41:46
Cause
41:46
I
41:46
noticed
41:47
you
41:47
got
41:47
lots
41:47
of
41:47
fun
41:47
elements
41:48
to
41:48
it.
41:48
So
41:49
tell
41:49
us
41:49
about
41:49
your
41:50
website
41:50
development.
41:51
Did
41:51
you
41:51
have
41:51
it
41:52
before
41:53
you
41:53
wrote
41:53
your
41:54
first
41:54
book
41:54
or
41:55
did
41:55
you
41:55
develop
41:56
it
41:56
as
41:56
you
41:56
went
41:56
along?
41:57
I
41:58
developed
41:58
it
41:58
as
41:59
I
41:59
went
41:59
along
41:59
quite
41:59
near
42:00
the
42:00
beginning.
42:00
So
42:01
my
42:01
website,
42:02
I've.
42:02
I'm
42:03
not
42:03
hugely
42:04
it.
42:05
Even
42:05
though
42:05
I
42:05
use
42:05
computers
42:06
all
42:06
the
42:06
time,
42:06
I'm
42:07
not
42:07
that
42:07
way
42:07
inclined.
42:08
So
42:08
doing
42:08
a
42:08
website
42:09
was
42:09
out
42:10
of
42:10
my
42:10
comfort
42:11
zone.
42:11
However,
42:12
I
42:12
knew
42:12
it
42:12
was
42:13
something
42:13
I
42:13
had
42:13
to
42:13
have.
42:14
I'm
42:14
still
42:15
tweaking
42:15
it.
42:15
I'm
42:16
not.
42:17
I
42:17
think
42:17
I'm
42:17
on
42:18
the
42:18
right
42:18
track.
42:19
I'm
42:19
not
42:19
100%
42:20
sure
42:20
that
42:20
I've
42:20
got
42:21
everything
42:21
on
42:21
there
42:21
that
42:21
I
42:22
need
42:22
to.
42:22
And
42:22
I
42:23
try
42:23
and
42:23
blog.
42:24
Who
42:24
knew?
42:25
So
42:26
I
42:26
put
42:26
some
42:26
blogs
42:27
about
42:27
what
42:27
I'm
42:27
doing.
42:28
I
42:28
know
42:28
I
42:28
don't
42:29
do
42:29
it
42:29
often
42:29
enough.
42:30
So
42:30
there's
42:30
little
42:31
things
42:31
that
42:31
I
42:31
look
42:31
at
42:31
my
42:31
website
42:32
and
42:32
think,
42:32
yeah,
42:32
I
42:32
need
42:33
to
42:33
tweak
42:33
that.
42:33
I've
42:33
put
42:34
photos
42:34
of
42:34
things
42:34
I
42:35
do,
42:35
and
42:36
I
42:36
couldn't
42:36
get
42:37
part
42:37
of
42:37
it
42:37
to
42:37
work
42:38
how
42:38
I
42:38
wanted
42:39
it
42:39
to
42:39
work.
42:39
Yeah,
42:39
it's
42:40
a
42:40
learning
42:40
curve
42:40
with
42:41
it.
42:41
It
42:41
wasn't
42:41
something
42:41
that
42:42
came
42:42
naturally.
42:43
The
42:43
whole
42:43
social
42:43
media.
42:44
The
42:44
social
42:45
media
42:45
itself
42:45
was
42:46
just
42:46
a.
42:47
It
42:47
blew
42:47
my
42:47
mind.
42:48
So
42:48
I
42:48
started
42:49
an
42:49
Instagram
42:50
page
42:50
and
42:50
my
42:51
daughter
42:51
promptly
42:51
canceled
42:52
it
42:52
and
42:52
said,
42:52
mum,
42:52
that's
42:53
just
42:53
not
42:53
right.
42:53
Do
42:54
it
42:54
this
42:54
way.
42:54
And
42:54
she
42:54
restarted
42:55
me
42:55
and
42:55
she
42:56
said,
42:56
you
42:56
have
42:56
to
42:57
do
42:57
it.
42:57
Don't
42:57
do
42:58
it
42:58
as
42:58
the
42:58
character,
42:59
do
42:59
it
42:59
as
42:59
yourself
43:01
with
43:01
the
43:01
book.
43:02
But
43:02
I
43:02
still
43:02
am.
43:03
Sue
43:03
me,
43:03
the
43:03
author.
43:04
I'm
43:04
actually
43:04
Shirley
43:04
Murley,
43:05
official
43:05
on
43:05
Instagram,
43:06
because
43:07
it's
43:07
all
43:07
about
43:07
Shirley
43:08
Murley.
43:08
But
43:09
she
43:09
said,
43:09
don't.
43:10
You've
43:10
got
43:10
to
43:10
be
43:10
the
43:10
face.
43:11
You
43:11
can't
43:11
just
43:12
put.
43:12
So
43:12
she
43:12
was
43:13
very.
43:13
That
43:13
was
43:13
a
43:14
good
43:14
recommendation
43:14
because
43:15
I
43:15
noticed
43:15
you
43:15
have
43:15
a
43:16
lot
43:16
of
43:16
followers.
43:17
With
43:18
Instagram,
43:18
and
43:18
I
43:18
love
43:19
Instagram
43:19
and
43:19
I
43:19
love
43:19
the
43:20
following.
43:20
It's
43:20
fantastic.
43:21
I
43:21
do
43:22
find
43:22
a
43:22
lot
43:22
of
43:23
people.
43:23
So
43:24
the.
43:24
Lots
43:24
of
43:24
authors
43:25
follow
43:25
authors
43:26
and
43:26
we
43:26
all
43:26
talk
43:27
together,
43:27
which
43:28
is
43:28
amazing
43:28
because
43:29
you
43:29
get
43:29
lots
43:29
of
43:29
advice
43:30
and
43:30
that's
43:31
actually
43:31
how
43:31
I
43:31
found
43:32
you.
43:32
One
43:32
of
43:32
the
43:32
other
43:33
authors
43:33
in
43:33
the
43:33
group
43:34
said,
43:34
oh,
43:34
I
43:35
know
43:35
this
43:35
gentleman
43:35
is
43:35
doing
43:36
this.
43:36
And
43:36
I
43:36
was
43:36
like,
43:36
yeah,
43:37
put
43:37
me
43:37
down.
43:37
I'd
43:37
love
43:37
to
43:38
do
43:38
it.
43:38
There
43:38
are
43:39
authors
43:39
helping
43:40
authors,
43:40
and
43:40
I
43:40
think
43:40
that's
43:41
great.
43:41
I'm
43:42
Trying
43:42
to
43:42
branch
43:43
more
43:43
into
43:44
families.
43:45
And
43:45
it's
43:46
hard
43:46
because
43:47
you
43:48
don't
43:48
have
43:48
that
43:48
same
43:49
connection.
43:50
So
43:50
I've
43:50
been
43:50
really
43:50
lucky.
43:51
I've
43:51
found
43:51
quite
43:52
a
43:52
few
43:52
influencers
43:53
on
43:53
social
43:54
media
43:54
who
43:55
promote
43:55
books.
43:56
They'll
43:56
read
43:56
a
43:56
book
43:56
and
43:56
do
43:57
a
43:57
story
43:57
about
43:57
it.
43:58
Oh,
43:58
true.
43:58
And
43:58
that's.
43:59
Now,
43:59
is
43:59
that
43:59
a
44:00
paid
44:00
service
44:00
or.
44:00
Do
44:01
you
44:01
know,
44:01
I
44:02
go
44:02
for
44:02
free
44:02
ones.
44:03
So
44:03
I
44:03
find
44:03
someone
44:04
and
44:04
I
44:04
say
44:04
to
44:04
them,
44:05
if
44:05
I
44:05
send
44:05
you,
44:06
I
44:06
send
44:06
them
44:06
a
44:06
copy
44:06
of
44:07
the
44:07
book.
44:07
Okay,
44:08
give
44:08
you
44:08
a
44:08
copy
44:08
of
44:09
my
44:09
book.
44:09
Will
44:09
you
44:10
do
44:10
a
44:10
story
44:10
with
44:11
your
44:11
children?
44:11
And
44:11
they
44:12
absolutely
44:12
want
44:12
to,
44:13
which
44:13
is
44:13
brilliant.
44:14
So
44:14
I've
44:14
got
44:14
quite
44:15
a
44:15
few.
44:15
And
44:15
how
44:15
did
44:16
you
44:16
find
44:16
those
44:16
folks?
44:17
Because
44:17
again,
44:18
this
44:18
is
44:19
sharing
44:19
with
44:20
people
44:20
and
44:20
trying
44:20
to
44:21
have
44:21
understanding
44:22
really
44:22
hard.
44:23
I
44:23
would
44:23
look.
44:24
Lots
44:24
of
44:24
things
44:24
pop
44:24
up
44:25
on.
44:25
Mainly
44:26
Instagram
44:26
was
44:26
my
44:27
first
44:27
thing.
44:27
I
44:27
do
44:28
TikToks,
44:29
which
44:29
are
44:30
really
44:31
my
44:32
family,
44:32
are
44:32
totally
44:33
embarrassed
44:33
that
44:33
I
44:33
do
44:33
these
44:34
TikToks.
44:34
But
44:34
I
44:34
get
44:35
a
44:35
thousand
44:35
views
44:35
and
44:35
I'm
44:36
like,
44:36
that's
44:36
a
44:36
thousand
44:36
people
44:36
who've
44:37
seen
44:37
me
44:38
and
44:38
have
44:38
seen
44:38
my
44:39
book.
44:39
Who
44:39
knows?
44:40
So
44:40
with
44:41
Instagram,
44:42
I
44:42
would
44:42
be
44:43
looking
44:43
at
44:43
all
44:44
different
44:44
things.
44:45
And
44:45
then
44:45
if
44:46
I
44:46
found
44:46
someone
44:47
who
44:47
was
44:48
doing
44:48
a
44:48
review
44:48
of
44:48
something,
44:49
I
44:49
would
44:49
then
44:50
contact
44:50
them
44:50
and
44:51
say,
44:51
I
44:51
don't
44:51
know
44:51
if
44:51
this
44:51
is
44:52
something
44:52
you
44:52
do.
44:52
I
44:52
don't
44:53
have
44:53
a
44:53
marketing
44:53
budget
44:54
to
44:54
pay
44:54
you,
44:54
but
44:55
I
44:55
will
44:55
send
44:55
you
44:55
a
44:55
copy
44:55
of
44:56
the
44:56
book
44:56
if
44:56
you
44:56
would
44:56
do
44:56
this.
44:57
And
44:57
there's
44:58
only
44:58
been
44:58
a
44:58
couple
44:59
that
44:59
have
44:59
said
44:59
they
44:59
want
44:59
money.
45:00
But
45:00
when
45:00
you
45:01
first
45:01
publish
45:01
a
45:01
book,
45:02
I
45:02
don't
45:02
know
45:02
about
45:02
you,
45:02
but
45:03
I
45:03
was
45:03
inundated
45:04
with
45:04
these
45:05
people
45:05
who
45:05
were
45:05
like,
45:05
I
45:06
can
45:06
do
45:06
this
45:06
for
45:06
you,
45:06
I
45:07
can
45:07
do
45:07
that
45:07
for
45:07
you.
45:08
I
45:08
can
45:08
get
45:08
it
45:09
all
45:09
over
45:09
that.
45:09
I
45:09
can
45:09
do
45:09
all
45:10
of
45:10
this,
45:10
and
45:10
I'm
45:10
only
45:11
going
45:11
to
45:11
charge
45:11
you
45:11
$40,
45:12
$50,
45:13
30.
45:13
All
45:14
this.
45:14
And
45:14
I
45:14
was
45:14
like,
45:14
I'm
45:15
not
45:15
going
45:15
to
45:15
do
45:15
any
45:15
of
45:15
that
45:16
yet.
45:17
Maybe.
45:18
Actually,
45:18
now
45:18
I
45:18
know
45:19
that
45:19
actually
45:19
I
45:19
wouldn't
45:19
do
45:20
any
45:20
of
45:20
it
45:20
because
45:20
I
45:20
don't
45:21
think
45:21
it's
45:21
going
45:21
to
45:21
get
45:21
any
45:22
more
45:22
than
45:22
I
45:22
can
45:22
do
45:22
myself.
45:23
Correct.
45:24
And
45:25
that's
45:25
why
45:25
I
45:25
asked
45:25
you
45:26
to
45:26
share
45:26
with
45:26
the
45:26
audience,
45:27
to
45:27
understand
45:27
that,
45:28
you
45:28
know
45:28
what?
45:29
Just
45:29
do.
45:30
Yeah,
45:30
just
45:30
do
45:31
a
45:31
little
45:31
work
45:31
and
45:31
you'll
45:32
be
45:32
surprised
45:32
at
45:33
exactly
45:33
what
45:33
you
45:33
can.
45:33
Just
45:34
don't
45:34
pay.
45:34
Friends
45:35
who
45:35
have
45:35
paid
45:36
have
45:36
actually
45:36
achieved
45:37
nothing.
45:37
So
45:38
did
45:38
your
45:38
daughter
45:39
help
45:39
you
45:39
with
45:40
your
45:40
Instagram
45:41
page
45:42
when
45:42
you
45:42
launched
45:43
your
45:43
first
45:43
book?
45:44
Yeah.
45:44
Okay,
45:45
so
45:45
just
45:45
before,
45:46
actually.
45:46
Okay,
45:47
so
45:47
then
45:47
you
45:47
built
45:48
this
45:48
following.
45:49
Now
45:49
you
45:49
launched
45:49
your
45:50
second
45:50
book.
45:50
So
45:51
tell
45:51
us
45:51
about
45:52
how
45:53
you've
45:53
used
45:53
your
45:54
audience,
45:54
your
45:54
Instagram
45:55
audience
45:56
to
45:56
launch
45:56
your
45:56
second
45:57
book
45:58
versus
45:58
your
45:58
first
45:58
book.
45:59
So
46:00
actually,
46:00
to
46:00
launch
46:01
my
46:01
second
46:01
book,
46:02
I
46:02
went
46:02
into.
46:03
I
46:03
work
46:04
in
46:04
a
46:04
primary
46:04
school
46:05
and
46:05
I'm
46:06
very
46:06
close
46:06
to
46:06
another
46:06
primary
46:07
school
46:07
and
46:08
I
46:08
went
46:08
into
46:08
them
46:08
for
46:09
an
46:09
assembly
46:10
on
46:10
the
46:10
day
46:10
my
46:10
second
46:11
book
46:11
launched
46:12
and
46:12
I
46:12
did
46:12
a
46:13
presentation
46:13
to
46:13
the
46:13
children.
46:13
They
46:14
all
46:14
cheered
46:14
because
46:14
they
46:15
know
46:15
me
46:15
through
46:16
the
46:16
first
46:16
book
46:16
and
46:17
I'm
46:17
in
46:17
and
46:17
out
46:17
quite
46:18
a
46:18
lot.
46:19
And
46:19
then
46:19
we
46:19
did.
46:19
I
46:20
was
46:20
allowed
46:20
to
46:20
do
46:20
from
46:21
behind,
46:21
so
46:21
the
46:21
children's
46:22
faces
46:22
aren't
46:22
showing.
46:22
I
46:23
was
46:23
allowed
46:23
to
46:23
do
46:23
some
46:23
photos
46:24
and
46:24
a
46:24
little
46:24
bit
46:24
of
46:24
videoing,
46:25
which
46:25
I
46:25
then
46:26
used
46:26
on
46:26
my
46:26
social
46:26
media.
46:27
And
46:28
that
46:28
was
46:28
my.
46:28
This
46:29
is
46:29
my
46:29
launch
46:29
day,
46:30
this
46:30
is
46:30
my
46:30
new
46:30
book.
46:31
I
46:31
didn't.
46:34
Specifically
46:35
talk
46:35
to
46:36
your
46:36
followers
46:36
and
46:37
say,
46:37
could
46:37
you
46:38
help
46:38
me?
46:38
By
46:39
no.
46:39
And
46:40
a
46:40
lot
46:40
of
46:40
them
46:40
do,
46:40
but
46:41
I
46:41
feel
46:41
I
46:42
don't.
46:43
When
46:43
everyone
46:43
puts
46:44
the
46:44
word
46:44
out
46:44
and
46:45
says,
46:45
can
46:45
anyone
46:45
help
46:45
do
46:46
this?
46:46
Promote
46:46
me
46:46
for
46:46
this?
46:46
I.
46:47
I
46:47
don't
46:47
do
46:47
that
46:48
because
46:48
I
46:48
don't
46:49
have
46:49
the
46:49
time
46:50
that
46:50
I
46:50
would
46:50
want
46:50
to
46:51
put
46:51
into
46:51
doing
46:52
that.
46:52
So
46:52
I
46:52
therefore
46:53
don't
46:53
ask
46:53
them
46:53
to
46:54
do
46:54
it
46:54
for
46:54
me
46:54
because
46:55
I
46:55
think
46:55
if
46:55
I'm
46:56
not
46:56
able,
46:56
I
46:56
do.
46:57
I'll
46:57
share
46:58
big
46:58
group
46:58
posts
46:59
and
46:59
I'll
46:59
get
46:59
involved.
47:00
If
47:00
people
47:00
are
47:00
doing
47:01
challenges
47:02
and
47:02
where,
47:03
say
47:03
everyone
47:03
does
47:03
the
47:04
same
47:04
thing
47:04
and
47:04
then
47:04
someone
47:05
puts
47:05
it
47:05
all
47:05
together
47:06
with
47:06
lots
47:06
of
47:06
different
47:07
authors
47:07
doing
47:07
similar
47:08
things,
47:08
I'll
47:09
get
47:09
involved
47:09
in
47:09
things
47:09
like
47:10
that
47:10
and
47:10
I
47:10
will
47:10
share
47:10
that
47:11
for
47:11
everyone
47:11
else.
47:11
I
47:12
made
47:12
a
47:13
point
47:13
that
47:13
I
47:13
don't
47:13
ask
47:14
people
47:14
to
47:14
do
47:14
something
47:14
for
47:15
me
47:15
that
47:15
I
47:15
can't
47:15
do
47:16
for
47:16
them.
47:16
Not
47:16
that
47:16
I
47:17
don't
47:17
want
47:17
to.
47:17
I
47:17
just
47:18
don't
47:18
have
47:18
the
47:18
time
47:18
or
47:19
the
47:19
capacity
47:19
to
47:20
help
47:20
other
47:21
people
47:21
with
47:22
their
47:22
stuff.
47:22
Yeah,
47:23
I'm
47:23
trying
47:23
to
47:23
give
47:23
people
47:24
a
47:24
sense
47:24
of
47:24
how
47:25
will
47:25
you
47:25
build
47:26
an
47:26
Instagram
47:27
following?
47:28
Those
47:28
people
47:28
are
47:29
following
47:29
you
47:29
because
47:30
they
47:30
like
47:30
you.
47:31
So
47:31
to
47:31
ask
47:32
them
47:32
to
47:32
do
47:32
a
47:32
small
47:33
favor
47:33
and
47:33
say,
47:34
would
47:34
you
47:34
just
47:34
get
47:35
the
47:35
word
47:35
out
47:35
and
47:36
send
47:37
my
47:37
book
47:37
or
47:38
my
47:38
book
47:38
cover
47:39
or
47:39
my
47:40
link
47:40
to
47:41
Amazon
47:41
or
47:41
something.
47:42
I'm
47:42
not
47:43
sure
47:43
if
47:43
that's.
47:46
If
47:47
they're
47:47
following
47:47
you,
47:48
then
47:48
obviously
47:49
they
47:49
like
47:49
you.
47:50
So
47:50
to
47:50
ask
47:51
them
47:51
to
47:51
do
47:51
a.
47:51
Small
47:52
favor,
47:53
a
47:53
lot
47:53
of
47:53
them
47:53
will
47:54
share
47:54
it
47:54
anyway.
47:56
Especially
47:56
the
47:56
people
47:56
that
47:57
I've
47:57
become
47:57
more
47:58
offended
47:58
with,
47:58
the
47:58
people
47:58
I've
47:59
had
47:59
more
47:59
interaction
47:59
with,
48:00
I
48:00
find
48:01
that
48:01
they're
48:01
sharing
48:01
things
48:02
and
48:02
doing
48:02
stuff
48:02
anyway.
48:03
I
48:04
find
48:04
that
48:04
the
48:04
best
48:05
way
48:05
for
48:05
my
48:05
books
48:06
and
48:06
myself
48:06
to
48:07
get
48:07
that
48:07
is
48:08
the
48:08
people
48:09
who
48:09
will
48:09
review
48:09
things
48:10
for
48:10
me
48:10
because
48:11
then
48:11
they
48:11
have
48:11
their
48:11
whole.
48:12
And
48:12
quite
48:13
often
48:13
they'll
48:13
have
48:14
many
48:14
more
48:14
followers
48:14
than
48:15
I
48:15
have.
48:15
That's
48:15
a
48:16
great
48:16
idea.
48:16
So
48:17
thank
48:18
you
48:18
for
48:18
sharing
48:18
that.
48:19
But
48:19
definitely
48:20
find
48:20
people
48:20
who
48:20
do
48:20
it
48:20
for
48:21
free,
48:21
because
48:21
I
48:22
think
48:22
there
48:22
are
48:23
always
48:23
people
48:23
out
48:23
there.
48:24
I
48:24
also,
48:25
Shirley
48:25
Murley
48:26
is
48:27
in
48:27
a
48:27
place
48:27
called
48:28
Burnley,
48:28
which
48:28
is
48:28
a
48:29
town
48:29
in
48:29
the
48:29
uk,
48:30
up
48:30
north.
48:31
I
48:31
don't
48:31
have
48:31
any
48:31
particular
48:32
links
48:32
to
48:32
it,
48:33
but
48:33
I
48:33
happen
48:34
to
48:34
be
48:34
one
48:34
of
48:34
the
48:35
Instagram
48:36
influencers
48:37
was
48:37
talking
48:37
about
48:37
my
48:38
book
48:39
and
48:39
they're
48:39
not
48:39
the
48:40
big
48:40
Instagrammers,
48:40
they're
48:41
not
48:41
the
48:41
most
48:41
famous
48:41
people,
48:42
but
48:42
they're
48:42
people
48:42
who
48:43
have
48:43
followings.
48:44
And
48:45
she
48:45
was
48:45
talking
48:45
about
48:45
it
48:46
being
48:46
in
48:46
Burnley
48:46
and
48:47
someone
48:47
commented
48:48
on
48:48
her
48:48
picture.
48:49
Oh,
48:49
we
48:49
live
48:49
in
48:49
Burnley.
48:50
So
48:50
I
48:51
then
48:51
found
48:51
them
48:51
and
48:52
I
48:52
contacted
48:52
them
48:53
and
48:53
I
48:53
said,
48:53
look,
48:53
could
48:53
I
48:54
send
48:54
you
48:54
a
48:54
book
48:54
for
48:54
your
48:55
son?
48:55
And
48:55
she
48:56
said,
48:56
oh,
48:56
that'd
48:56
be
48:56
amazing.
48:57
And
48:57
then
48:58
once
48:58
she'd
48:58
done
48:58
that,
48:58
I
48:59
said,
48:59
could
48:59
I
48:59
contact
48:59
the
49:00
Burnley
49:00
Express,
49:01
the
49:01
paper
49:02
around
49:02
where
49:02
you
49:02
are,
49:02
and
49:03
talk
49:03
about
49:03
your
49:03
son
49:03
and
49:04
my
49:04
book?
49:04
Yeah,
49:05
absolutely.
49:05
So
49:06
that
49:06
has
49:07
progressed
49:07
and
49:07
that's
49:07
really
49:07
lovely
49:08
because
49:08
she
49:08
shares
49:09
things
49:09
at
49:10
that
49:10
end
49:10
for
49:10
me.
49:11
Thank
49:11
you
49:11
for
49:11
mentioning
49:12
that.
49:12
Because
49:13
one
49:13
of
49:13
the
49:13
things
49:13
I've
49:14
started
49:14
talking
49:14
about,
49:15
and
49:15
it's
49:15
only
49:15
a
49:16
recent
49:16
phenomena,
49:17
I
49:17
was
49:17
telling
49:17
you
49:17
about
49:18
Yorkshire
49:19
Publishing,
49:20
the
49:20
children's
49:21
book
49:21
author
49:21
that
49:22
helped
49:22
me.
49:22
Her
49:23
name
49:23
is
49:23
Lori
49:24
Orlinski.
49:25
And
49:25
Laurie
49:26
talked
49:26
about
49:27
what's
49:27
called
49:28
earned
49:28
media.
49:29
And
49:30
I
49:30
didn't
49:30
know,
49:30
I
49:30
never
49:31
heard
49:31
that
49:31
before
49:32
and
49:32
I
49:32
didn't
49:32
understand
49:33
what
49:33
it
49:33
was.
49:34
And
49:34
I
49:34
found
49:34
out
49:35
that
49:35
basically
49:36
what
49:36
you
49:36
just
49:36
described
49:38
is
49:38
called
49:39
earned
49:39
media,
49:40
because
49:41
what
49:41
happens
49:42
is
49:42
it's
49:42
free,
49:43
but
49:43
you
49:44
earned
49:44
it.
49:44
You
49:44
went
49:45
and
49:45
did
49:45
something,
49:46
you
49:46
reached
49:46
out
49:46
to
49:47
someone
49:47
and
49:48
they
49:48
did
49:49
a
49:49
story
49:49
on
49:49
you,
49:50
but
49:50
you
49:50
didn't
49:50
have
49:50
to
49:50
pay
49:51
for
49:51
that.
49:51
But.
49:52
But
49:52
if
49:52
you
49:52
didn't
49:52
go
49:53
ask.
49:53
And
49:54
that's
49:54
what
49:54
happened.
49:55
I've
49:55
got
49:56
some
49:56
earned
49:56
media.
49:57
The
49:57
first
49:57
one
49:58
started
49:58
as
49:58
I
49:58
went
49:59
to
49:59
the
50:00
local
50:01
community
50:01
newspaper
50:03
and
50:03
I
50:03
said,
50:04
we're
50:04
launching
50:04
a
50:05
children's
50:05
book.
50:05
It's
50:06
all
50:06
about
50:06
the
50:07
Rocky
50:07
Mountains
50:08
and
50:08
the
50:08
town.
50:09
It's
50:09
based
50:10
on
50:10
the
50:10
town
50:11
of
50:11
Cammore,
50:12
Alberta.
50:13
And
50:13
they
50:13
loved
50:14
it.
50:14
And
50:14
so
50:14
they
50:15
gave
50:15
us
50:15
like
50:15
a
50:16
three
50:16
quarter
50:16
page.
50:17
Amazing.
50:18
Yes.
50:19
And
50:19
they
50:19
took
50:19
pictures
50:20
of
50:20
me
50:20
and
50:20
they
50:20
took
50:20
pictures
50:21
of
50:21
the
50:21
book
50:21
and
50:21
they
50:22
took
50:22
pictures
50:22
of
50:22
pictures
50:22
of
50:23
Caboose.
50:23
It
50:23
was
50:24
phenomenal.
50:24
But
50:25
what
50:25
ended
50:25
up
50:25
happening,
50:26
and
50:26
that's
50:26
why
50:26
I'm
50:26
trying
50:27
to
50:27
share
50:27
this
50:27
with
50:28
all
50:28
aspiring
50:29
and
50:29
children's
50:30
book
50:30
authors,
50:31
is
50:32
that
50:32
simple
50:33
thing.
50:34
What
50:34
ended
50:34
up
50:34
happening
50:35
was
50:35
a
50:36
producer
50:36
of
50:37
a
50:37
radio
50:37
show
50:38
read
50:39
the
50:39
article.
50:40
They
50:40
tracked
50:41
me
50:41
down
50:41
through
50:41
one
50:42
of
50:42
the
50:42
stores
50:42
that
50:42
we
50:42
sell
50:43
our
50:43
books
50:43
in
50:44
and
50:44
then
50:44
they
50:44
invited
50:45
us,
50:45
myself
50:46
and
50:46
my
50:46
granddaughter
50:47
on
50:47
a
50:48
radio
50:48
show.
50:48
We
50:48
end
50:49
up
50:49
doing
50:49
two
50:49
radio
50:50
shows
50:50
and
50:50
again,
50:51
it
50:51
didn't
50:51
cost
50:52
us
50:52
any
50:52
money,
50:53
but
50:53
we
50:53
came
50:54
on
50:54
and
50:55
that's
50:55
what
50:55
they
50:55
call
50:56
earned
50:56
media.
50:57
So
50:57
what
50:57
you're
50:58
doing,
50:59
even
50:59
with
51:01
reaching
51:01
out
51:01
to
51:02
book
51:02
reviewers,
51:04
that's
51:04
what
51:04
I'm
51:04
trying
51:05
to
51:05
encourage
51:05
people,
51:06
is
51:06
to
51:07
take
51:07
advantage
51:07
of
51:08
these
51:08
things.
51:08
It
51:09
is
51:09
really
51:09
hard
51:10
to
51:10
do
51:10
to
51:11
start
51:11
with
51:11
because
51:12
you're
51:13
literally
51:13
contacting
51:14
someone
51:14
out
51:14
of
51:15
the
51:15
blue
51:15
and
51:15
saying,
51:16
I'm
51:16
a
51:16
children's
51:17
booker,
51:17
I've
51:17
written
51:17
this,
51:18
would
51:18
you
51:18
like
51:18
copy
51:19
and
51:19
can
51:19
you
51:19
then
51:19
do
51:20
me
51:20
a
51:20
review?
51:20
You
51:20
don't
51:21
know
51:21
what
51:21
they're
51:21
going
51:21
to
51:21
say,
51:22
you
51:22
don't
51:22
know
51:22
how
51:22
they're
51:23
going
51:23
to
51:23
react
51:23
to
51:24
it,
51:24
but
51:24
they
51:25
do
51:25
it.
51:25
And
51:26
I've
51:26
never
51:27
had
51:27
anyone
51:28
refuse.
51:29
I've
51:29
had
51:29
people
51:30
who
51:30
said,
51:30
it's
51:30
going
51:30
to
51:30
cost
51:30
you.
51:31
And
51:31
then
51:31
I've
51:31
said,
51:31
oh,
51:31
don't
51:31
worry,
51:32
I've
51:32
never
51:33
had
51:33
anyone
51:33
refuse.
51:34
And
51:34
that's
51:34
lovely
51:35
that
51:35
I
51:35
haven't.
51:36
It's
51:37
interesting
51:37
you
51:37
should
51:37
say
51:38
that
51:38
because
51:38
I
51:38
was
51:38
saying
51:39
to
51:39
someone
51:39
yesterday,
51:40
I
51:40
only
51:40
had
51:41
a
51:41
30
51:41
year
51:42
sales
51:42
career
51:43
as
51:44
a
51:44
director
51:44
of
51:44
sales,
51:45
but
51:45
I
51:45
would
51:46
say
51:46
to
51:46
all
51:46
our
51:46
new
51:47
salespeople,
51:47
if
51:48
you
51:48
don't
51:48
ask
51:48
for
51:48
the
51:49
order,
51:49
you
51:50
can
51:50
never
51:50
get
51:50
it.
51:51
And
51:52
this
51:52
is
51:53
exactly
51:53
us
51:54
as
51:54
children's
51:54
book
51:55
authors.
51:55
If
51:55
you
51:56
don't
51:56
ask
51:56
for
51:58
something
51:58
like
51:59
you're
51:59
talking
51:59
about
52:00
book
52:00
reviewers,
52:01
surely
52:02
it's
52:02
not
52:02
like
52:02
they're
52:02
going
52:02
to.
52:03
They're
52:03
not
52:03
going
52:03
to
52:03
take
52:04
you
52:04
out
52:04
back
52:04
and
52:04
shoot
52:05
you.
52:06
Exactly.
52:07
They're
52:07
going
52:07
to
52:08
say
52:08
yes
52:08
or
52:08
they're
52:09
going
52:09
to
52:09
say
52:09
no,
52:10
or
52:10
they
52:10
just.
52:11
Ignore
52:11
you
52:11
completely
52:12
for
52:12
the
52:12
help
52:12
or.
52:12
Yeah,
52:13
exactly.
52:13
But
52:13
at
52:14
the
52:14
end
52:14
of
52:14
the
52:14
day,
52:14
you're
52:15
building
52:15
an
52:15
opportunity.
52:16
I
52:16
found
52:16
this
52:17
with
52:17
the
52:17
book
52:17
tour
52:17
as
52:17
well.
52:18
Going
52:18
to
52:18
the
52:18
schools.
52:19
I
52:19
email
52:20
hundreds
52:20
and
52:20
hundreds
52:21
of
52:21
schools
52:21
and
52:21
I
52:21
may
52:21
get
52:22
one
52:22
or
52:22
two
52:22
come
52:23
back
52:23
to
52:23
me
52:23
and
52:24
start
52:24
with
52:24
it
52:25
really
52:25
personally.
52:26
And
52:26
you
52:26
think,
52:26
why
52:26
don't
52:27
they
52:27
want
52:27
me?
52:27
I'm
52:27
fantastic.
52:28
And
52:29
then
52:29
you
52:29
think,
52:29
you
52:29
know
52:29
what,
52:30
I've
52:30
got
52:30
two.
52:31
And
52:31
then
52:31
those
52:32
two
52:32
will
52:32
talk
52:32
to
52:33
others.
52:33
And
52:33
that's
52:34
how
52:34
it
52:34
builds.
52:35
And
52:35
that's
52:35
why
52:35
I
52:36
did
52:36
it
52:36
for
52:36
free
52:36
for
52:36
such
52:37
a
52:37
long
52:37
time.
52:37
Because
52:37
I
52:38
went
52:38
to
52:38
the
52:38
schools,
52:38
I
52:38
didn't
52:39
charge
52:39
them
52:39
because
52:39
I
52:40
thought,
52:41
I
52:41
almost
52:41
didn't
52:41
think
52:42
I
52:42
was
52:42
worthy
52:42
of
52:43
a
52:43
charge.
52:43
And
52:44
now
52:44
I
52:44
think,
52:44
do
52:44
you
52:44
know
52:45
what?
52:45
I
52:45
give
52:45
them
52:45
really
52:45
good
52:46
value.
52:46
I'm
52:47
there
52:47
for
52:48
three,
52:48
four
52:48
hours
52:49
and
52:50
they
52:50
don't
52:50
pay
52:50
me
52:50
a
52:50
huge
52:51
amount,
52:51
but
52:51
they
52:51
pay
52:52
me
52:52
enough
52:52
to
52:52
make
52:52
me
52:53
think,
52:53
oh,
52:53
that's
52:54
okay.
52:54
I'm
52:54
happy
52:54
with
52:54
that.
52:55
I
52:55
charge.
52:56
I
52:57
then
52:57
do
52:57
occasionally
52:58
where
52:58
I
52:58
say,
52:58
I
52:58
send
52:59
a
52:59
memo,
52:59
an
52:59
email
52:59
out
53:00
to
53:00
various
53:00
people
53:00
and
53:01
I
53:01
say,
53:01
if
53:01
you
53:02
book
53:02
within
53:02
the
53:03
next
53:03
week,
53:03
I'll
53:03
give
53:03
you
53:04
a
53:04
discount.
53:04
So
53:05
I
53:05
just
53:05
add
53:05
a
53:05
few
53:05
more
53:06
in.
53:06
Yeah,
53:07
it's
53:07
reaching
53:08
out.
53:08
It's
53:08
like
53:08
you
53:08
say,
53:09
it's
53:09
earned.
53:09
I
53:09
like
53:10
that
53:10
phrase.
53:10
Earned
53:11
media.
53:11
I
53:11
like
53:11
that
53:12
phrase.
53:12
I'm
53:12
going
53:12
to
53:12
use
53:13
that
53:13
in
53:13
some
53:13
of
53:14
my
53:14
tools.
53:14
Episode
53:14
48
53:15
and
53:15
episode
53:16
50.
53:16
I
53:17
want
53:17
to
53:17
take
53:17
you
53:17
back
53:18
30
53:18
years.
53:19
And
53:19
you're
53:19
thinking,
53:20
oh,
53:20
my
53:20
God.
53:21
But
53:22
you
53:22
triggered
53:22
something,
53:23
and
53:23
I'm
53:23
quite
53:23
interested
53:24
because
53:24
you
53:24
said
53:25
30
53:25
years
53:25
ago,
53:25
you
53:26
had
53:26
this
53:26
idea
53:26
about
53:27
a
53:27
children's
53:27
book.
53:28
So
53:28
I'm
53:28
curious
53:29
about.
53:30
Was
53:30
there
53:30
a
53:30
specific
53:31
person
53:32
or
53:32
was
53:32
there
53:33
a
53:33
specific,
53:33
specific
53:34
event
53:35
that
53:36
you
53:36
said,
53:37
oh,
53:37
I've
53:37
got
53:37
this
53:37
idea
53:38
for
53:38
a
53:38
great
53:38
children's
53:39
book.
53:39
Tell
53:40
us
53:40
about
53:40
that.
53:41
So
53:42
when
53:42
I
53:42
thought
53:42
about
53:43
it,
53:43
it
53:43
was
53:43
just
53:44
the
53:44
rhyme,
53:44
it
53:45
was
53:45
just
53:45
the
53:45
poem,
53:46
and
53:46
it
53:46
was
53:46
just,
53:47
this
53:47
would
53:47
make
53:47
a
53:47
great
53:48
story,
53:49
but
53:49
just
53:49
never
53:49
did
53:50
anything
53:50
about
53:50
it
53:50
because
53:51
we
53:51
were
53:51
newlyweds,
53:52
we
53:53
were
53:53
trying
53:54
to
53:54
have
53:54
children.
53:55
Then
53:55
we
53:55
had
53:56
children.
53:56
And
53:56
you
53:56
just
53:56
go
53:57
through
53:57
life,
53:57
don't
53:58
you,
53:58
without
53:58
really
53:59
reaching
54:00
that
54:00
next
54:00
stage.
54:01
But
54:01
every
54:02
single
54:02
time
54:03
someone
54:03
would
54:03
have
54:03
a
54:03
baby,
54:04
I
54:04
would
54:05
roll
54:05
out
54:05
the
54:06
whole
54:06
rhyme
54:06
again
54:07
and
54:07
it
54:07
would
54:07
make.
54:08
And
54:09
it
54:09
just
54:09
carried
54:09
on.
54:09
And
54:10
then
54:10
one
54:10
day,
54:10
it
54:11
literally
54:11
was.
54:11
I
54:11
was
54:12
rolling
54:12
out
54:12
the
54:12
rhyme
54:13
because
54:13
someone
54:13
was
54:13
having
54:13
a
54:13
baby,
54:14
and
54:14
someone
54:15
said,
54:15
oh,
54:15
you
54:15
should
54:15
write
54:16
it
54:16
down.
54:16
And
54:16
I
54:16
was
54:16
like,
54:16
yeah,
54:17
I
54:17
was
54:17
going
54:17
to
54:17
do
54:17
that.
54:17
I
54:18
always
54:18
thought
54:18
of
54:18
doing
54:19
it.
54:19
It
54:19
just
54:20
didn't
54:20
happen.
54:20
The
54:21
time
54:21
was
54:21
never
54:21
right.
54:22
And
54:22
I
54:22
think
54:22
that
54:23
is
54:23
a
54:23
big
54:23
key.
54:23
I
54:24
think
54:24
the
54:24
time
54:24
would
54:25
never
54:25
be
54:25
right.
54:25
You
54:25
have
54:26
to
54:26
make
54:26
the
54:26
time
54:26
right.
54:26
You
54:27
have
54:27
to
54:27
make
54:27
a
54:27
decision
54:27
and
54:28
think,
54:28
you
54:28
know
54:28
what,
54:29
it's
54:29
what
54:29
I
54:29
want
54:29
to
54:30
do.
54:30
So
54:30
I'm
54:30
going
54:31
to
54:31
try
54:31
it.
54:32
And
54:32
I've
54:32
been
54:33
really
54:33
lucky
54:33
that
54:33
it's
54:34
worked
54:34
for
54:34
me,
54:34
and
54:34
it
54:35
is
54:35
working
54:35
for
54:35
me.
54:36
You
54:36
know,
54:36
it'd
54:37
be
54:37
nice
54:37
if
54:37
I
54:37
could
54:37
give
54:37
up
54:38
my
54:38
day
54:38
job
54:39
and
54:40
just
54:40
do
54:40
this,
54:41
but
54:41
that's
54:41
not
54:42
quite
54:42
happened
54:42
yet.
54:42
It
54:42
will
54:43
one
54:43
day.
54:44
But
54:44
to
54:44
your
54:44
point,
54:45
like,
54:45
you're
54:46
the
54:46
second
54:46
person
54:46
that's
54:47
told
54:47
me
54:47
about
54:48
having
54:48
this
54:49
root
54:50
base
54:51
of
54:51
an
54:52
idea
54:53
and
54:53
taking
54:54
30
54:54
years
54:54
to
54:54
bring
54:55
it
54:55
to
54:55
life.
54:55
But
54:56
guess
54:56
what?
54:57
And
54:57
I
54:57
get
54:57
that's
54:58
what
54:58
I'm
54:58
encouraging
54:58
everybody
54:59
to
54:59
do.
54:59
Just
55:00
realize,
55:00
just
55:01
keep
55:01
that
55:01
with
55:01
you,
55:02
and
55:02
eventually
55:03
it'll
55:03
come
55:04
to
55:04
be.
55:05
So
55:05
let's
55:06
talk
55:06
a
55:06
little
55:06
bit
55:07
about
55:07
character
55:08
development.
55:08
I'd
55:09
like
55:09
to
55:09
talk
55:09
about
55:09
Shirley
55:10
Murley.
55:11
From
55:11
the
55:12
character
55:12
development
55:13
from
55:13
the
55:13
first
55:13
book
55:14
to
55:14
the
55:14
second
55:14
book,
55:15
has
55:15
there
55:15
been
55:16
any
55:16
subtle
55:17
changes
55:18
in
55:18
how
55:19
she's
55:19
developed?
55:20
So
55:20
talk
55:20
to
55:21
us
55:21
about
55:21
that.
55:22
No.
55:22
Yeah,
55:24
there
55:24
hasn't.
55:25
I
55:25
like
55:25
her
55:26
how
55:26
she
55:26
is.
55:27
I
55:27
like
55:27
her
55:27
the
55:27
age
55:28
she
55:28
is.
55:28
I
55:28
get
55:29
asked
55:29
a
55:29
lot,
55:29
will
55:30
she
55:30
age?
55:30
Will
55:30
she
55:31
grow
55:31
up
55:31
in
55:31
the
55:31
books?
55:33
And
55:33
I
55:33
really
55:33
don't
55:34
think
55:34
she
55:34
will.
55:35
I
55:35
did
55:36
for
55:36
a
55:36
while.
55:36
I
55:37
thought,
55:37
oh,
55:37
yeah,
55:37
she
55:37
could
55:37
get
55:38
a
55:38
bit
55:38
older
55:39
from
55:39
that
55:39
point
55:39
of
55:40
view
55:40
of
55:40
changing
55:41
her.
55:41
But
55:41
actually,
55:43
as
55:43
a
55:43
character,
55:44
she
55:44
works
55:45
for
55:45
me.
55:45
She
55:46
works
55:47
with
55:47
the
55:47
age
55:47
group
55:48
I
55:48
present
55:48
to.
55:48
She
55:49
works
55:49
with
55:49
the
55:49
age
55:49
group
55:50
that
55:50
my
55:50
books
55:50
are
55:50
for.
55:51
Children
55:51
look
55:52
at
55:52
her
55:52
and
55:52
they
55:52
like
55:53
her.
55:53
I
55:53
don't
55:53
know
55:54
whether
55:54
you
55:54
do.
55:54
You
55:54
do
55:54
World
55:55
Book
55:55
Day
55:55
out
55:55
in
55:56
Canada,
55:56
where
55:56
children
55:56
dress
55:57
up
55:57
as
55:57
their
55:57
favorite
55:58
book
55:58
characters.
55:59
You
55:59
know
55:59
what?
56:00
They
56:00
could.
56:00
I've
56:01
never
56:01
heard
56:01
of
56:02
my
56:02
grandchildren
56:03
ever.
56:03
Saying,
56:04
in
56:05
England,
56:05
it's
56:05
a
56:05
big
56:05
deal
56:06
every
56:06
March,
56:06
isn't
56:07
it?
56:08
So
56:08
all
56:08
the
56:08
kids
56:08
dress
56:09
up.
56:09
They
56:09
all
56:09
dress
56:09
up
56:10
as
56:10
a
56:10
favorite
56:10
book
56:10
character
56:11
and
56:11
they
56:12
go
56:12
to
56:12
school.
56:13
And
56:13
last
56:14
year,
56:14
two
56:14
children
56:14
dressed
56:15
up
56:15
as
56:15
Shirley
56:15
Murley
56:17
actually
56:17
bought
56:17
the
56:17
wigs.
56:18
They
56:18
had
56:18
the
56:18
yellow
56:18
dresses,
56:19
they
56:19
had
56:19
the
56:19
shoes.
56:20
And
56:21
they
56:21
sent
56:21
me
56:21
pictures,
56:21
which
56:22
I
56:22
used
56:22
in
56:22
my
56:22
presentations.
56:23
I
56:23
say,
56:23
look
56:23
who
56:24
children
56:24
dressed
56:24
up.
56:25
Now,
56:25
to
56:25
me,
56:26
I'm
56:26
doing
56:26
something
56:27
right.
56:27
If
56:27
a
56:27
child's
56:28
actually
56:28
thought,
56:28
I
56:28
want
56:29
to
56:29
dress
56:29
up
56:29
as
56:29
this
56:29
character,
56:30
that
56:30
is
56:32
still.
56:32
I
56:32
love
56:32
that
56:33
in
56:33
my
56:33
book
56:33
day.
56:33
It
56:34
was
56:34
amazing,
56:34
absolutely
56:35
amazing.
56:35
And
56:35
her
56:35
mum.
56:36
I
56:36
saw
56:36
her
56:36
mum
56:36
and
56:36
said,
56:37
I'm
56:37
so
56:37
grateful.
56:38
And
56:39
she
56:39
said,
56:39
no.
56:39
She
56:39
found
56:40
the
56:40
dress
56:40
on
56:40
the
56:40
Internet
56:41
she
56:41
wanted.
56:41
She
56:42
had
56:42
the
56:42
pearls.
56:42
She
56:43
literally
56:43
stood
56:43
like
56:44
this
56:44
and
56:44
sent
56:44
a
56:44
picture
56:45
of
56:45
it
56:45
to
56:45
me.
56:46
And
56:46
I
56:46
was
56:46
like,
56:46
oh,
56:47
my
56:47
God,
56:47
that's
56:47
amazing.
56:48
That.
56:48
What
56:49
a
56:49
compliment.
56:50
Yes.
56:50
And
56:51
I
56:51
think
56:51
that
56:52
is
56:52
why
56:52
the
56:53
character
56:53
at
56:53
this
56:54
age
56:54
and
56:55
this
56:55
style
56:56
works.
56:57
I
56:57
could
56:57
always
56:57
add
56:58
a
56:58
younger
56:58
brother
56:58
or
56:58
sister.
56:59
I
56:59
could
56:59
add
56:59
a
56:59
baby.
57:00
I
57:00
don't
57:01
think
57:01
I
57:01
want
57:01
to
57:01
change
57:02
her
57:02
yet.
57:03
Maybe
57:03
in
57:03
the
57:03
future.
57:04
And
57:04
it's
57:05
funny
57:05
you
57:05
should
57:05
say
57:06
that,
57:06
because
57:06
I
57:07
was
57:07
thinking
57:07
the
57:07
same
57:08
thing,
57:08
but
57:09
not
57:09
as
57:09
focused
57:10
as
57:10
you
57:11
or.
57:11
We've
57:12
got
57:12
38
57:12
books
57:13
that
57:13
we've
57:13
written
57:14
in
57:14
our
57:14
series
57:14
now.
57:14
We've
57:15
only
57:15
published
57:15
two.
57:16
Yeah.
57:17
But
57:17
to
57:17
your
57:18
point,
57:19
none
57:19
of
57:19
those
57:19
stories
57:21
have
57:21
we
57:22
aged.
57:22
Caboose.
57:23
She
57:24
stayed
57:24
exactly
57:25
the
57:25
same
57:25
age.
57:26
And
57:26
even
57:27
when
57:27
she's
57:27
had
57:28
cousins
57:28
that
57:28
are
57:29
born
57:29
and
57:29
become
57:30
her
57:30
friend,
57:30
like
57:31
cousins
57:31
and
57:31
friends.
57:32
Yeah,
57:32
she
57:32
stayed
57:33
the
57:33
stave.
57:33
Just
57:34
they're
57:34
just
57:34
a
57:34
little
57:34
bit
57:35
younger
57:35
than
57:35
her,
57:35
but
57:36
not
57:36
mine.
57:37
I
57:37
wonder
57:37
whether
57:37
this
57:38
is
57:38
so
57:38
from
57:38
when
57:38
my
57:39
childhood
57:39
must
57:39
be
57:40
similar
57:40
to
57:40
yours,
57:40
when
57:41
I
57:41
would
57:41
read
57:42
stories
57:42
when
57:42
I
57:42
was
57:43
young,
57:43
the
57:44
characters
57:44
stayed
57:45
the
57:45
same
57:45
age.
57:45
And
57:46
I
57:46
think
57:46
something
57:46
like,
57:47
for
57:47
example,
57:47
Harry
57:48
Potter,
57:48
the
57:49
characters
57:50
have
57:50
aged
57:51
in
57:51
the
57:51
books
57:51
and.
57:52
And
57:52
I
57:53
wonder
57:53
whether
57:53
that's
57:53
why
57:54
children.
57:54
You
57:54
think
57:55
about
57:56
Peter
57:56
Pan
57:57
or
57:57
you
57:57
think
57:57
about
57:58
Winnie
57:59
the
57:59
Pooh
57:59
or
58:00
they've
58:00
all
58:01
stayed
58:01
the
58:01
same
58:01
age.
58:02
All
58:02
the
58:02
Peter
58:03
Rabbit
58:03
stories,
58:03
all
58:04
of
58:04
the.
58:04
All
58:04
of
58:04
that.
58:05
They
58:05
do.
58:05
And
58:05
I
58:06
think
58:06
that.
58:07
I
58:07
think
58:07
it's
58:07
because
58:07
books,
58:08
now,
58:08
when
58:08
I
58:09
was
58:09
young,
58:09
there
58:09
wasn't
58:10
a
58:10
series
58:10
like
58:10
Harry
58:10
Potter
58:11
where
58:11
children
58:11
act.
58:12
There
58:12
wasn't
58:12
anything
58:12
like
58:13
that.
58:13
So
58:13
I
58:14
wonder
58:14
whether
58:14
that's
58:14
the
58:15
sort
58:15
of
58:15
thing
58:15
that
58:15
people
58:15
are
58:16
now
58:17
into
58:18
these
58:18
gross
58:19
books
58:19
that
58:20
change
58:20
and
58:21
move
58:21
up
58:21
with
58:21
the
58:21
age
58:22
and
58:22
the
58:22
time.
58:22
I
58:23
don't
58:23
know
58:23
whether
58:23
I
58:23
will.
58:24
I
58:24
can
58:24
always
58:24
do
58:24
something
58:25
completely
58:25
different.
58:25
You
58:25
know,
58:26
I've
58:26
been
58:26
looking
58:27
to
58:27
design
58:27
a
58:27
little
58:28
bit
58:28
of
58:28
a
58:28
logo
58:29
for
58:29
a
58:29
T
58:29
shirt.
58:30
One
58:30
of
58:30
my
58:31
guests
58:31
came
58:31
on
58:32
and
58:32
we
58:32
were
58:32
talking
58:33
about
58:33
how
58:33
do
58:33
you
58:34
increase
58:34
your
58:35
revenue
58:36
to
58:36
help
58:36
support
58:36
your
58:37
books?
58:37
Because
58:38
sometimes
58:38
you
58:39
don't
58:39
make
58:39
a
58:39
lot
58:39
of
58:39
revenue
58:40
from
58:40
your
58:40
books.
58:40
And
58:41
she
58:41
said,
58:41
my
58:42
number
58:42
one
58:42
selling
58:43
item
58:43
off
58:43
my
58:44
website
58:45
is
58:45
my
58:45
T
58:45
shirts.
58:46
Because
58:46
she
58:46
has
58:47
a
58:47
very
58:47
cool
58:48
logo.
58:49
Yeah.
58:49
And
58:50
people
58:50
gravitate
58:51
to
58:51
it,
58:52
they
58:52
really
58:52
like
58:53
it.
58:53
And
58:53
she
58:54
sells
58:54
as
58:54
many
58:54
adult
58:55
T
58:55
shirts
58:56
as
58:56
she
58:56
does
58:57
children's
58:57
T
58:57
shirts.
58:58
And
58:59
of
58:59
course,
58:59
the
58:59
margins
59:00
on
59:00
T
59:00
shirts
59:01
is
59:01
much
59:02
better
59:02
than
59:02
it
59:02
is
59:03
on
59:03
books.
59:03
And.
59:04
Yeah.
59:04
So
59:04
she's
59:05
like
59:05
into
59:06
her
59:06
fourth
59:06
or
59:07
fifth
59:07
book,
59:08
supported
59:09
by
59:09
some
59:09
of
59:10
her
59:10
T
59:10
shirt
59:10
revenue.
59:11
Share
59:12
that
59:12
with
59:12
everybody
59:13
to
59:13
understand.
59:13
I
59:14
actually
59:14
had
59:14
our
59:15
same
59:15
illustrator
59:16
do
59:17
up
59:17
a
59:17
logo.
59:18
The
59:18
first
59:18
one
59:18
he
59:19
did,
59:20
it
59:20
looked
59:21
like
59:21
Caboose
59:22
was
59:22
a
59:22
teenager.
59:23
And
59:23
I
59:24
went
59:24
back
59:24
to
59:24
him
59:24
and
59:25
I
59:25
said,
59:26
they
59:26
give
59:26
eight
59:29
and
59:29
Caboose
59:29
isn't
59:29
getting
59:30
any
59:30
older.
59:31
And
59:31
he
59:31
knew
59:31
exactly
59:32
what
59:32
I
59:32
was
59:32
saying
59:32
and
59:33
he
59:33
redid
59:33
it.
59:34
So
59:34
it's
59:34
interesting.
59:35
I've
59:36
done
59:36
quite
59:36
a
59:36
few.
59:36
I
59:37
get
59:37
lots
59:37
of
59:37
tote
59:38
bags
59:38
and
59:38
things
59:38
with
59:39
a
59:39
picture
59:40
of
59:40
Shirley
59:40
Earlier,
59:41
Trevor,
59:42
on
59:42
things
59:42
you
59:42
said
59:43
about
59:43
a
59:43
different
59:43
avenue,
59:44
an
59:44
income
59:45
stream
59:45
of
59:45
something
59:45
different
59:46
and
59:46
keyring.
59:47
I've
59:47
managed
59:47
to
59:47
get
59:47
key
59:47
rings
59:48
with
59:48
it
59:48
on
59:49
things
59:49
like
59:49
that.
59:50
Because
59:50
I'm
59:50
thinking,
59:51
what
59:51
else?
59:51
If
59:51
a
59:52
child's
59:52
coming
59:52
and
59:52
they're
59:53
looking
59:53
at
59:53
my
59:53
books
59:53
and
59:53
they
59:53
want
59:54
to
59:54
buy
59:54
it,
59:54
I
59:54
want
59:54
them
59:55
to
59:55
buy
59:55
a
59:55
bag
59:55
as
59:55
well
59:55
and
59:56
I
59:56
want
59:56
them
59:56
to
59:57
carry
59:57
the
59:57
bag
59:58
around.
59:58
I
59:58
carry
59:58
a
59:59
bag
59:59
with
59:59
all
59:59
my
59:59
stuff
59:59
in
1:00:00
with
1:00:00
my
1:00:00
logo
1:00:00
with
1:00:01
my
1:00:01
characters
1:00:01
on
1:00:01
it
1:00:02
and
1:00:02
everyone
1:00:02
says,
1:00:02
oh,
1:00:03
you've
1:00:03
got
1:00:03
a
1:00:03
Shirley
1:00:03
Moly
1:00:03
bag.
1:00:04
And
1:00:04
I'm
1:00:04
like,
1:00:04
yes,
1:00:04
I
1:00:04
have.
1:00:05
Of
1:00:05
course
1:00:05
I
1:00:05
have.
1:00:06
Shameless
1:00:07
marketing.
1:00:08
Yeah,
1:00:08
no,
1:00:09
absolutely.
1:00:10
I
1:00:10
want
1:00:10
to
1:00:10
talk
1:00:10
to
1:00:10
you
1:00:11
about
1:00:11
theme
1:00:12
because
1:00:13
it's
1:00:13
always
1:00:14
interesting.
1:00:15
Describe
1:00:16
the
1:00:16
theme
1:00:17
of
1:00:17
your
1:00:17
book.
1:00:19
And
1:00:19
it
1:00:19
wasn't
1:00:20
an
1:00:20
extension.
1:00:20
We
1:00:20
always
1:00:21
talk
1:00:21
about.
1:00:21
There's
1:00:22
always
1:00:22
a
1:00:22
nugget
1:00:23
of
1:00:23
true
1:00:24
of
1:00:24
someone's
1:00:25
life
1:00:25
in
1:00:25
there.
1:00:26
So
1:00:27
talk
1:00:27
to
1:00:27
us
1:00:27
about
1:00:27
this.
1:00:29
I
1:00:29
think
1:00:30
family
1:00:31
life
1:00:31
is
1:00:32
quite
1:00:32
strong
1:00:32
in
1:00:32
them
1:00:33
because
1:00:33
it's
1:00:33
very
1:00:34
much
1:00:34
about
1:00:34
the
1:00:34
family.
1:00:35
So
1:00:35
that
1:00:36
the
1:00:36
pictures
1:00:36
are
1:00:36
the
1:00:37
mum
1:00:37
and
1:00:37
the
1:00:37
dad
1:00:37
and
1:00:37
Shirley,
1:00:38
and
1:00:38
then
1:00:38
the
1:00:38
mum,
1:00:38
the
1:00:38
dad
1:00:39
and
1:00:39
the
1:00:39
dog
1:00:39
and
1:00:39
Shirley.
1:00:40
So
1:00:40
I
1:00:40
think
1:00:40
that
1:00:40
is
1:00:41
quite
1:00:41
a
1:00:41
theme
1:00:42
in
1:00:42
these
1:00:42
author
1:00:43
groups
1:00:43
I'm
1:00:43
part
1:00:43
of.
1:00:44
They
1:00:44
say,
1:00:44
oh,
1:00:44
let's
1:00:44
do
1:00:44
a
1:00:45
challenge.
1:00:45
Who's
1:00:45
got
1:00:45
a
1:00:45
book
1:00:45
about
1:00:46
Halloween?
1:00:46
Who's
1:00:46
got
1:00:46
a
1:00:47
book
1:00:47
about
1:00:47
this?
1:00:47
Who's
1:00:47
got
1:00:47
a
1:00:47
book
1:00:48
about
1:00:48
this?
1:00:48
And
1:00:48
I
1:00:49
sit
1:00:49
there
1:00:49
and
1:00:49
think,
1:00:49
we
1:00:49
don't
1:00:49
really
1:00:50
have
1:00:50
a
1:00:50
theme
1:00:51
per
1:00:51
se,
1:00:52
but
1:00:52
I
1:00:52
definitely
1:00:53
think
1:00:53
family
1:00:53
comes
1:00:54
into
1:00:54
it
1:00:55
and
1:00:55
friendship
1:00:56
and
1:00:57
inclusivity
1:00:59
and
1:00:59
diversity.
1:01:00
So
1:01:00
it's
1:01:00
all
1:01:01
there.
1:01:01
There's
1:01:02
just
1:01:02
not
1:01:03
anything
1:01:04
specific
1:01:05
that
1:01:05
someone.
1:01:06
You
1:01:06
go
1:01:07
into
1:01:07
your.
1:01:07
And
1:01:07
do
1:01:08
your
1:01:08
school
1:01:08
visits.
1:01:09
Is
1:01:09
there
1:01:10
any
1:01:10
central
1:01:10
teaching
1:01:11
that
1:01:11
you're
1:01:12
trying
1:01:12
to
1:01:13
instill
1:01:14
with
1:01:15
the
1:01:15
children
1:01:15
in
1:01:15
the
1:01:16
audience?
1:01:17
I
1:01:17
think
1:01:18
the
1:01:18
main
1:01:18
thing
1:01:18
I'm
1:01:18
trying
1:01:19
to
1:01:19
do
1:01:19
is
1:01:19
talk,
1:01:19
is
1:01:19
to
1:01:20
give
1:01:20
them
1:01:20
the
1:01:20
passion
1:01:21
to
1:01:21
read.
1:01:22
So
1:01:22
the
1:01:22
actual
1:01:23
themes
1:01:23
about
1:01:23
my
1:01:24
books
1:01:24
are
1:01:24
almost
1:01:25
irrelevant
1:01:25
to
1:01:25
them.
1:01:26
They
1:01:26
love
1:01:26
it
1:01:26
and
1:01:27
we
1:01:27
always
1:01:27
read
1:01:27
them
1:01:27
and
1:01:28
they
1:01:28
love
1:01:28
the
1:01:29
childishness
1:01:29
of
1:01:29
them.
1:01:30
They
1:01:30
love
1:01:30
trying
1:01:30
to
1:01:30
do
1:01:30
the
1:01:30
tongue
1:01:31
twister,
1:01:31
all
1:01:31
of
1:01:31
that
1:01:31
sort
1:01:32
of
1:01:32
thing.
1:01:32
But
1:01:33
what
1:01:33
I'm
1:01:33
trying
1:01:33
to
1:01:34
get
1:01:34
across
1:01:34
to
1:01:34
them
1:01:34
is
1:01:35
read
1:01:35
a
1:01:35
book,
1:01:36
read
1:01:36
books,
1:01:37
read
1:01:37
books
1:01:38
constantly.
1:01:39
That's
1:01:39
my
1:01:40
thing.
1:01:40
Okay,
1:01:41
let's
1:01:42
talk
1:01:42
about
1:01:42
your
1:01:42
writing
1:01:43
process
1:01:43
because
1:01:43
you
1:01:44
mentioned
1:01:44
you've
1:01:44
got
1:01:45
more
1:01:45
books
1:01:46
percolating
1:01:47
in
1:01:48
your
1:01:48
head.
1:01:49
So
1:01:49
tell
1:01:50
us,
1:01:50
give
1:01:50
us
1:01:51
some
1:01:51
ideas
1:01:51
into
1:01:52
insights
1:01:52
into
1:01:53
your
1:01:53
development
1:01:54
of
1:01:54
those
1:01:54
stories
1:01:55
and
1:01:55
your
1:01:56
writing
1:01:56
process.
1:01:58
So
1:01:58
I
1:01:58
start
1:01:59
with
1:01:59
rhymes.
1:02:00
So
1:02:00
I
1:02:00
do
1:02:00
write
1:02:01
lots
1:02:01
of
1:02:01
rhymes.
1:02:02
So
1:02:02
if
1:02:02
I'm
1:02:03
thinking
1:02:03
of
1:02:03
a
1:02:03
book
1:02:03
with
1:02:04
animals,
1:02:04
I'll
1:02:04
think
1:02:04
of
1:02:04
all
1:02:05
the
1:02:05
animals
1:02:05
and
1:02:05
all
1:02:05
the
1:02:05
rhymes
1:02:06
I
1:02:06
could
1:02:06
do
1:02:06
and
1:02:06
I'll
1:02:06
just
1:02:07
jot
1:02:07
them
1:02:07
down.
1:02:07
Wherever
1:02:07
I
1:02:08
am,
1:02:08
I'll
1:02:08
jot
1:02:08
down.
1:02:08
Or
1:02:09
I've
1:02:09
just
1:02:09
thought
1:02:10
of
1:02:10
this,
1:02:10
I
1:02:10
could
1:02:10
put
1:02:10
that
1:02:11
in.
1:02:11
And
1:02:11
then
1:02:11
I
1:02:11
try
1:02:12
and
1:02:12
bring
1:02:12
it
1:02:12
together
1:02:12
and
1:02:13
make
1:02:13
a
1:02:13
poem.
1:02:13
And
1:02:13
I
1:02:13
do
1:02:14
the
1:02:14
poem
1:02:14
first
1:02:15
and.
1:02:15
And
1:02:15
then
1:02:15
I
1:02:15
make
1:02:15
it
1:02:16
into
1:02:16
a
1:02:16
book.
1:02:17
So
1:02:17
I
1:02:17
then
1:02:17
add
1:02:17
the
1:02:18
repetitive
1:02:18
line.
1:02:18
What
1:02:19
a
1:02:19
great
1:02:19
technique.
1:02:20
I've
1:02:20
never
1:02:20
heard
1:02:21
of
1:02:21
that
1:02:21
before,
1:02:21
but
1:02:21
that's.
1:02:22
Thank
1:02:22
you
1:02:23
for
1:02:23
sharing.
1:02:23
But
1:02:23
I
1:02:23
think
1:02:23
that's
1:02:24
because
1:02:24
it's
1:02:24
because
1:02:25
mine
1:02:25
are
1:02:25
just
1:02:25
short
1:02:27
rhyming
1:02:27
books.
1:02:28
They've
1:02:28
not
1:02:28
chapter
1:02:29
books.
1:02:29
I
1:02:29
don't
1:02:30
have
1:02:30
that
1:02:31
skill
1:02:31
to
1:02:32
do
1:02:32
chapter
1:02:32
books.
1:02:32
I
1:02:33
don't
1:02:33
think
1:02:33
so.
1:02:34
Yeah,
1:02:34
I
1:02:34
definitely
1:02:35
write
1:02:35
the
1:02:35
poems
1:02:36
first
1:02:36
and
1:02:36
then
1:02:37
I
1:02:37
create
1:02:37
a
1:02:37
book
1:02:37
out
1:02:38
of
1:02:38
them.
1:02:38
I
1:02:38
want
1:02:38
to
1:02:38
take
1:02:39
you
1:02:39
back
1:02:39
to.
1:02:39
I
1:02:40
think
1:02:40
it
1:02:40
was
1:02:40
2023
1:02:41
that
1:02:42
you
1:02:42
brought
1:02:42
out
1:02:42
Shirley
1:02:43
Murley.
1:02:44
Well
1:02:44
done.
1:02:44
Very
1:02:44
good.
1:02:46
And
1:02:46
now
1:02:47
moving
1:02:47
forward.
1:02:48
So
1:02:49
I'm
1:02:49
really
1:02:49
always
1:02:50
interested
1:02:50
in
1:02:52
success
1:02:52
measurement
1:02:53
and.
1:02:53
And
1:02:54
when
1:02:54
I
1:02:54
find
1:02:54
out
1:02:54
someone's
1:02:55
brought
1:02:55
a
1:02:55
second
1:02:56
book
1:02:56
to
1:02:56
life,
1:02:57
I
1:02:57
always
1:02:57
like
1:02:57
to
1:02:58
take
1:02:58
people,
1:02:58
get
1:02:59
them
1:02:59
to
1:02:59
think
1:03:00
back
1:03:00
to
1:03:01
what
1:03:01
they
1:03:01
envisioned
1:03:02
success
1:03:03
for
1:03:03
their
1:03:04
first
1:03:04
book.
1:03:04
And
1:03:05
what
1:03:05
does
1:03:05
success
1:03:06
look
1:03:06
for
1:03:07
you
1:03:07
now
1:03:07
with
1:03:07
your
1:03:08
second
1:03:08
book?
1:03:09
Yeah,
1:03:09
I
1:03:10
think
1:03:11
when
1:03:11
you
1:03:11
first
1:03:11
publish
1:03:12
a
1:03:12
book,
1:03:12
there
1:03:13
is
1:03:13
an
1:03:13
element
1:03:13
of
1:03:13
naivety
1:03:15
because
1:03:15
I
1:03:15
think
1:03:15
people
1:03:16
always
1:03:16
say
1:03:16
to
1:03:16
me,
1:03:17
I'll
1:03:17
get
1:03:17
a
1:03:17
book
1:03:17
out
1:03:17
and
1:03:18
I'll
1:03:18
just
1:03:18
get
1:03:18
this
1:03:18
income.
1:03:19
And
1:03:19
they
1:03:19
want
1:03:19
this
1:03:19
passive
1:03:20
income
1:03:20
to
1:03:20
come
1:03:20
through,
1:03:21
especially
1:03:22
like
1:03:22
through
1:03:22
Amazon,
1:03:23
things
1:03:23
like
1:03:23
that.
1:03:23
And
1:03:23
I'm
1:03:24
like,
1:03:24
don't
1:03:25
really
1:03:25
get
1:03:26
massive
1:03:26
income
1:03:27
coming
1:03:27
in
1:03:27
because
1:03:27
how
1:03:28
are
1:03:28
people
1:03:28
going
1:03:28
to
1:03:28
find
1:03:28
your
1:03:29
book
1:03:29
if
1:03:29
you're
1:03:29
a
1:03:29
new
1:03:29
author?
1:03:30
It's
1:03:31
not,
1:03:31
unless
1:03:31
you
1:03:31
do
1:03:32
the
1:03:32
Amazon
1:03:32
ads,
1:03:32
things
1:03:33
like
1:03:33
that.
1:03:33
I
1:03:33
haven't
1:03:33
done
1:03:33
anything
1:03:34
like
1:03:34
that
1:03:34
yet.
1:03:35
But
1:03:35
you're
1:03:35
not.
1:03:36
You
1:03:37
have
1:03:37
to
1:03:37
get
1:03:37
yourself
1:03:38
out
1:03:38
there
1:03:38
to
1:03:38
get
1:03:39
the
1:03:39
book.
1:03:39
I
1:03:40
think
1:03:40
that
1:03:41
what
1:03:41
I
1:03:41
imagined
1:03:42
was
1:03:43
almost
1:03:43
a
1:03:43
little
1:03:43
bit
1:03:44
naive.
1:03:44
I
1:03:44
did
1:03:44
imagine
1:03:45
more
1:03:45
that
1:03:46
my
1:03:46
books
1:03:47
would
1:03:47
sell.
1:03:48
I
1:03:49
didn't
1:03:49
really
1:03:49
think
1:03:49
about
1:03:50
the
1:03:50
amount
1:03:50
of
1:03:50
work
1:03:51
it
1:03:51
would
1:03:51
take
1:03:51
me
1:03:52
to
1:03:52
do
1:03:52
that.
1:03:53
And
1:03:53
like
1:03:54
I've
1:03:54
talked
1:03:54
about
1:03:54
before,
1:03:54
the
1:03:55
book
1:03:55
tour
1:03:55
and
1:03:55
that
1:03:56
that
1:03:56
started
1:03:56
because
1:03:57
I
1:03:57
kept
1:03:57
thinking,
1:03:57
I
1:03:58
want
1:03:58
to
1:03:58
go
1:03:58
and
1:03:58
talk
1:03:58
to
1:03:58
people
1:03:58
about
1:03:59
my
1:03:59
books.
1:03:59
That's
1:03:59
how
1:03:59
I'm
1:04:00
going
1:04:00
to
1:04:00
get
1:04:00
it
1:04:00
out
1:04:00
there.
1:04:01
So
1:04:01
the
1:04:02
first
1:04:02
year
1:04:02
I
1:04:03
fitted
1:04:03
it
1:04:03
in
1:04:03
around
1:04:04
my
1:04:04
work
1:04:05
and
1:04:05
then
1:04:05
I
1:04:06
went
1:04:06
to
1:04:06
my
1:04:06
boss
1:04:07
and
1:04:07
I'm
1:04:08
in
1:04:08
a
1:04:08
school,
1:04:08
I'm
1:04:08
in
1:04:09
a
1:04:09
primary
1:04:09
school.
1:04:09
So
1:04:09
I
1:04:09
went
1:04:09
to
1:04:09
the
1:04:10
head
1:04:10
teacher
1:04:10
and
1:04:10
I
1:04:10
said
1:04:11
after
1:04:11
a
1:04:11
year,
1:04:11
I
1:04:12
said,
1:04:12
look,
1:04:12
I
1:04:12
said,
1:04:12
when
1:04:12
we
1:04:13
come
1:04:13
back
1:04:13
in
1:04:13
September,
1:04:14
I'd
1:04:15
like
1:04:15
to
1:04:15
drop
1:04:15
a
1:04:15
day
1:04:16
a
1:04:16
week.
1:04:16
I'd
1:04:16
like
1:04:16
to
1:04:16
only
1:04:17
work
1:04:17
four
1:04:17
days
1:04:17
so
1:04:18
that
1:04:18
I've
1:04:18
got
1:04:18
one
1:04:18
day
1:04:18
a
1:04:18
week
1:04:19
when
1:04:19
I
1:04:19
am
1:04:19
the
1:04:19
author
1:04:20
and
1:04:20
I'm
1:04:20
doing
1:04:21
my
1:04:21
author
1:04:21
thing.
1:04:22
And
1:04:22
I
1:04:22
think
1:04:22
he
1:04:22
was
1:04:23
just
1:04:23
grateful
1:04:23
I
1:04:23
wasn't
1:04:23
gonna
1:04:24
leave,
1:04:24
to
1:04:24
be
1:04:24
honest.
1:04:25
As
1:04:25
I
1:04:25
thought
1:04:26
was
1:04:26
very
1:04:26
much
1:04:26
all
1:04:27
books,
1:04:27
author
1:04:27
all
1:04:28
this.
1:04:28
And
1:04:29
when
1:04:29
I
1:04:29
said
1:04:29
I'd
1:04:30
still
1:04:30
want
1:04:30
to
1:04:30
work
1:04:30
here
1:04:30
at
1:04:30
the
1:04:31
school,
1:04:31
but
1:04:31
if
1:04:31
I
1:04:32
take
1:04:32
a
1:04:32
day
1:04:32
off
1:04:32
a
1:04:32
week,
1:04:33
so
1:04:34
I
1:04:34
think
1:04:34
that's
1:04:35
how
1:04:35
I've
1:04:35
progressed
1:04:36
it
1:04:36
and
1:04:36
how
1:04:36
I
1:04:37
realized
1:04:37
how
1:04:37
I
1:04:37
could
1:04:38
progress
1:04:38
it
1:04:38
is
1:04:39
to
1:04:40
actually
1:04:40
focus
1:04:41
and
1:04:42
have
1:04:42
a
1:04:42
day
1:04:42
a
1:04:42
week
1:04:42
where
1:04:43
that
1:04:43
is
1:04:43
the
1:04:43
day
1:04:43
I
1:04:44
am
1:04:44
the
1:04:44
author
1:04:44
and
1:04:45
I'm
1:04:45
not
1:04:45
trying
1:04:45
to
1:04:45
fit
1:04:45
it
1:04:45
all
1:04:46
in
1:04:46
around
1:04:46
everything
1:04:47
else.
1:04:49
Yeah.
1:04:49
And
1:04:50
I
1:04:50
think
1:04:50
it
1:04:50
is
1:04:50
really
1:04:51
tricky
1:04:51
because
1:04:51
if
1:04:52
you
1:04:52
are
1:04:52
someone
1:04:53
who
1:04:53
works
1:04:53
as
1:04:54
well,
1:04:55
you
1:04:56
don't
1:04:56
necessarily
1:04:56
have
1:04:56
the
1:04:57
time
1:04:57
to
1:04:57
focus
1:04:57
on
1:04:58
doing
1:04:58
everything
1:04:59
else.
1:04:59
So
1:04:59
I've
1:04:59
really
1:05:00
had
1:05:00
to
1:05:00
make
1:05:00
time
1:05:00
for
1:05:01
it
1:05:01
and
1:05:02
that
1:05:02
is
1:05:02
what
1:05:02
I'm
1:05:02
doing
1:05:03
and
1:05:03
I
1:05:04
proud
1:05:04
to
1:05:04
do
1:05:05
it.
1:05:05
I
1:05:05
love
1:05:05
doing
1:05:05
it.
1:05:06
Good
1:05:06
for
1:05:06
you.
1:05:06
The
1:05:07
role
1:05:07
of
1:05:07
writing,
1:05:08
can
1:05:08
you
1:05:08
tell
1:05:09
us
1:05:09
in
1:05:09
the
1:05:09
grand
1:05:10
scheme.
1:05:10
It's
1:05:10
obvious
1:05:11
we've
1:05:12
already
1:05:12
heard
1:05:12
some
1:05:12
of
1:05:13
the
1:05:13
mechanisms
1:05:13
you've
1:05:14
put
1:05:14
in
1:05:14
place
1:05:14
by
1:05:15
going
1:05:15
from
1:05:15
five
1:05:16
days
1:05:16
a
1:05:16
week
1:05:16
to
1:05:17
four
1:05:17
days
1:05:17
a
1:05:17
week.
1:05:18
So
1:05:18
in
1:05:19
the
1:05:19
grand
1:05:19
scheme
1:05:20
of
1:05:20
things
1:05:20
in
1:05:20
your
1:05:21
life,
1:05:21
tell
1:05:21
us
1:05:22
how
1:05:22
you
1:05:22
envision
1:05:24
being
1:05:24
a
1:05:24
children's
1:05:25
book
1:05:25
author
1:05:25
in
1:05:25
the
1:05:26
future.
1:05:27
I
1:05:27
think
1:05:28
that
1:05:28
I
1:05:29
will
1:05:29
give
1:05:29
up
1:05:29
work
1:05:29
at
1:05:30
some
1:05:30
point
1:05:31
because
1:05:31
I
1:05:31
get
1:05:31
so
1:05:32
many
1:05:32
inquiries
1:05:32
to
1:05:33
do
1:05:33
things
1:05:33
with
1:05:33
different
1:05:34
clubs,
1:05:35
groups,
1:05:35
schools.
1:05:36
But
1:05:36
I
1:05:36
can
1:05:37
only
1:05:37
do
1:05:37
one
1:05:37
day
1:05:37
a
1:05:37
week.
1:05:38
So
1:05:38
I
1:05:39
think
1:05:39
that
1:05:39
there
1:05:40
is
1:05:40
feasibility
1:05:41
there
1:05:41
for
1:05:41
me
1:05:41
to
1:05:43
earn
1:05:43
some
1:05:43
money
1:05:44
doing
1:05:44
it
1:05:45
and
1:05:45
to
1:05:45
make
1:05:45
it
1:05:46
a
1:05:46
career.
1:05:47
I
1:05:48
wouldn't
1:05:48
want
1:05:48
to
1:05:48
do
1:05:48
it
1:05:48
all
1:05:49
day,
1:05:49
every
1:05:49
day
1:05:50
because
1:05:50
it's
1:05:50
so
1:05:51
intense.
1:05:51
I
1:05:51
don't
1:05:51
know
1:05:51
about
1:05:52
you,
1:05:52
but
1:05:52
I
1:05:52
find
1:05:52
it
1:05:52
so
1:05:53
intense
1:05:53
when
1:05:53
I'm
1:05:54
right.
1:05:54
I've
1:05:54
got
1:05:54
to
1:05:54
go
1:05:55
and
1:05:55
I'm
1:05:55
talking
1:05:55
to
1:05:55
all
1:05:55
these
1:05:56
children
1:05:56
and
1:05:56
I
1:05:56
get
1:05:56
to
1:05:56
the
1:05:57
end
1:05:57
of
1:05:57
three,
1:05:57
three
1:05:57
or
1:05:57
four
1:05:58
hours
1:05:58
when
1:05:58
I'm
1:05:58
there
1:05:59
and
1:05:59
I
1:05:59
get
1:05:59
home
1:05:59
and
1:05:59
I'm
1:06:00
just
1:06:00
absolutely
1:06:00
zonked
1:06:01
out
1:06:01
because
1:06:01
I'm
1:06:01
just
1:06:02
exhausted
1:06:02
from
1:06:02
all
1:06:03
the
1:06:03
questions
1:06:03
and
1:06:03
the
1:06:03
talking
1:06:04
and
1:06:04
the
1:06:04
enthusiasm
1:06:05
that.
1:06:06
Isn't
1:06:06
that
1:06:06
the
1:06:07
truth?
1:06:07
Because
1:06:07
that's.
1:06:08
That
1:06:08
kids,
1:06:09
the
1:06:09
moment
1:06:09
you
1:06:10
open
1:06:10
the
1:06:10
floor
1:06:10
up,
1:06:13
it
1:06:13
is
1:06:13
just
1:06:13
rapid
1:06:14
fire.
1:06:15
I
1:06:15
can
1:06:15
definitely
1:06:16
see
1:06:16
the
1:06:16
future
1:06:17
becoming
1:06:18
more
1:06:19
author
1:06:19
and
1:06:20
less
1:06:20
work.
1:06:21
Okay,
1:06:21
so
1:06:22
how
1:06:22
time
1:06:22
would
1:06:22
you
1:06:22
think
1:06:23
you
1:06:23
would
1:06:23
devote
1:06:24
or
1:06:24
how
1:06:24
much
1:06:24
time
1:06:24
are
1:06:25
you
1:06:25
devoting
1:06:25
to
1:06:25
writing?
1:06:27
I
1:06:27
do
1:06:27
spend
1:06:27
a
1:06:28
lot
1:06:28
of
1:06:28
my
1:06:28
time
1:06:28
planning
1:06:29
what
1:06:29
I'm
1:06:29
going
1:06:29
to
1:06:29
do
1:06:30
next
1:06:30
with
1:06:30
the
1:06:30
books
1:06:31
or
1:06:31
planning
1:06:31
events.
1:06:32
I've
1:06:32
got
1:06:32
a
1:06:32
big
1:06:32
event
1:06:32
this
1:06:33
weekend,
1:06:33
so
1:06:33
I've
1:06:34
been
1:06:34
planning
1:06:34
all
1:06:34
this
1:06:35
sort
1:06:35
of
1:06:35
thing.
1:06:35
So
1:06:35
I
1:06:36
do
1:06:36
find
1:06:36
that
1:06:36
I'm
1:06:37
constantly.
1:06:38
Every
1:06:38
evening
1:06:39
I'll
1:06:39
sit
1:06:39
with
1:06:40
my
1:06:40
laptop
1:06:40
writing
1:06:41
or
1:06:42
contacting
1:06:42
people
1:06:43
to
1:06:43
try
1:06:43
and
1:06:43
get
1:06:43
into
1:06:44
them.
1:06:44
I
1:06:44
always
1:06:44
try
1:06:44
and
1:06:45
find
1:06:45
the
1:06:45
next
1:06:46
thing
1:06:46
that
1:06:46
I
1:06:46
could
1:06:47
do,
1:06:47
the
1:06:47
next
1:06:48
way
1:06:48
of
1:06:49
getting
1:06:49
myself
1:06:49
out
1:06:49
there
1:06:50
or
1:06:50
my
1:06:50
name
1:06:50
to
1:06:51
be
1:06:51
known.
1:06:52
Yeah.
1:06:52
So
1:06:52
I'm
1:06:52
always
1:06:53
thinking
1:06:53
ahead.
1:06:54
I
1:06:54
do
1:06:54
think
1:06:55
that
1:06:55
there
1:06:55
will
1:06:55
come
1:06:56
a
1:06:56
time
1:06:56
in
1:06:56
the
1:06:56
next
1:06:56
few
1:06:57
years
1:06:57
where
1:06:57
I'll
1:06:57
think,
1:06:57
you
1:06:58
know
1:06:58
what,
1:06:58
I've
1:06:59
got
1:06:59
to
1:06:59
make
1:07:00
a
1:07:00
decision.
1:07:00
And
1:07:01
yes,
1:07:01
giving
1:07:02
up
1:07:02
my
1:07:02
work
1:07:03
will
1:07:03
mean
1:07:04
losing
1:07:04
A
1:07:04
salary
1:07:05
at
1:07:05
home.
1:07:05
But
1:07:06
then
1:07:06
I
1:07:07
can
1:07:07
concentrate
1:07:08
on
1:07:09
seeing
1:07:09
whether
1:07:09
this
1:07:10
can
1:07:10
really
1:07:12
move
1:07:12
on
1:07:12
and
1:07:12
push
1:07:13
up
1:07:13
for
1:07:13
sure.
1:07:14
So,
1:07:15
advice
1:07:15
for
1:07:15
aspiring
1:07:16
authors.
1:07:17
What
1:07:17
kind
1:07:17
of
1:07:18
advice
1:07:18
would
1:07:18
you
1:07:18
give
1:07:19
someone?
1:07:19
And
1:07:20
it's
1:07:20
great
1:07:20
because
1:07:20
you've
1:07:21
taken
1:07:21
this
1:07:21
journey,
1:07:22
it's
1:07:22
come
1:07:22
over
1:07:23
a
1:07:23
period
1:07:23
of
1:07:24
time,
1:07:24
you've
1:07:25
let
1:07:25
it
1:07:25
percolate
1:07:26
around.
1:07:26
So
1:07:27
what
1:07:27
kind
1:07:27
of
1:07:27
advice
1:07:27
would
1:07:28
you
1:07:28
give
1:07:28
aspiring
1:07:29
authors?
1:07:30
So
1:07:30
I
1:07:30
get
1:07:30
asked
1:07:31
this
1:07:31
a
1:07:31
lot
1:07:31
when
1:07:31
I'm
1:07:31
at
1:07:32
schools
1:07:32
for
1:07:32
the
1:07:32
young
1:07:33
children.
1:07:33
I
1:07:33
always
1:07:34
say
1:07:34
to
1:07:34
them,
1:07:34
just
1:07:35
keep
1:07:35
everything
1:07:35
you
1:07:35
write.
1:07:36
A
1:07:36
little
1:07:37
girl
1:07:37
who
1:07:37
must.
1:07:38
She
1:07:38
must
1:07:38
have
1:07:38
been
1:07:38
six
1:07:38
or
1:07:39
seven,
1:07:39
she
1:07:39
actually
1:07:39
wrote
1:07:40
a
1:07:40
Shirley
1:07:40
Murley
1:07:40
book,
1:07:41
stapled
1:07:41
it
1:07:41
together
1:07:41
and
1:07:42
posted
1:07:42
it
1:07:42
me.
1:07:43
And
1:07:43
I've
1:07:43
kept
1:07:44
that.
1:07:44
And
1:07:44
I
1:07:44
bring
1:07:44
this
1:07:45
out
1:07:45
when
1:07:45
I'm
1:07:45
talking
1:07:45
to
1:07:46
the
1:07:46
children.
1:07:46
I
1:07:46
say,
1:07:46
just
1:07:47
imagine
1:07:47
if
1:07:47
this
1:07:47
little
1:07:48
girl
1:07:48
goes
1:07:48
on
1:07:48
to
1:07:49
being
1:07:49
an
1:07:50
author
1:07:50
and
1:07:51
I've
1:07:51
got
1:07:52
this
1:07:52
book
1:07:52
that
1:07:52
she
1:07:53
wrote.
1:07:53
I
1:07:53
inspired
1:07:54
her
1:07:54
to
1:07:54
write
1:07:54
to
1:07:55
start.
1:07:56
So
1:07:56
I
1:07:56
do
1:07:56
say
1:07:56
to
1:07:56
them,
1:07:57
keep
1:07:57
everything
1:07:57
you
1:07:57
write.
1:07:58
You
1:07:58
just
1:07:58
never
1:07:58
know
1:07:58
when
1:07:58
you'll
1:07:59
go
1:07:59
back
1:07:59
to
1:07:59
it.
1:07:59
I
1:08:00
still
1:08:00
find
1:08:00
that
1:08:01
quite
1:08:01
a
1:08:01
lot
1:08:01
of
1:08:01
children
1:08:02
will
1:08:02
write
1:08:02
things
1:08:03
on
1:08:03
paper.
1:08:03
They'll
1:08:03
write
1:08:04
books
1:08:04
on
1:08:04
paper
1:08:05
and
1:08:05
make
1:08:05
little
1:08:05
books,
1:08:06
which
1:08:06
is
1:08:07
amazing,
1:08:07
which
1:08:07
is
1:08:07
lovely.
1:08:08
Brilliant.
1:08:09
I
1:08:09
think
1:08:10
it's
1:08:10
about
1:08:11
knowing
1:08:11
your
1:08:11
strengths
1:08:12
and
1:08:12
weaknesses.
1:08:13
So
1:08:13
if
1:08:13
someone
1:08:13
said,
1:08:13
oh,
1:08:14
I
1:08:14
think
1:08:14
I
1:08:14
can
1:08:14
write
1:08:14
a
1:08:14
children's
1:08:15
book,
1:08:15
you
1:08:15
have
1:08:16
to
1:08:16
really
1:08:16
know
1:08:16
that
1:08:17
you're
1:08:17
going
1:08:17
to
1:08:17
be
1:08:17
able
1:08:17
to
1:08:18
do
1:08:19
something
1:08:19
with
1:08:19
it.
1:08:20
There's
1:08:20
no
1:08:20
point
1:08:21
in.
1:08:21
We've
1:08:21
just
1:08:21
talked
1:08:22
about
1:08:22
no
1:08:22
point
1:08:22
in
1:08:23
doing
1:08:23
it
1:08:23
and
1:08:23
then
1:08:23
saying,
1:08:24
oh,
1:08:24
but
1:08:24
I
1:08:24
don't
1:08:25
really
1:08:25
want
1:08:25
to
1:08:25
go
1:08:25
out
1:08:25
and
1:08:25
talk
1:08:26
to
1:08:26
people.
1:08:26
I
1:08:26
don't
1:08:26
really
1:08:26
want
1:08:27
to
1:08:27
try
1:08:27
and
1:08:28
get
1:08:29
myself
1:08:29
out
1:08:29
there.
1:08:29
I
1:08:29
don't
1:08:30
have
1:08:30
the
1:08:30
confidence
1:08:30
to
1:08:30
do
1:08:30
that.
1:08:30
You've
1:08:31
got
1:08:31
to
1:08:31
have
1:08:31
confidence.
1:08:32
Well,
1:08:32
you
1:08:32
know
1:08:32
what
1:08:32
I
1:08:33
think,
1:08:33
to
1:08:33
your
1:08:34
point,
1:08:34
if
1:08:34
you
1:08:34
have
1:08:35
the
1:08:35
confidence
1:08:35
to
1:08:36
read
1:08:36
to
1:08:36
your.
1:08:37
A
1:08:37
child
1:08:38
or
1:08:38
grandchild
1:08:39
a
1:08:39
children's
1:08:40
book,
1:08:40
then
1:08:41
just
1:08:41
think
1:08:42
that
1:08:42
the.
1:08:43
Exactly.
1:08:43
You
1:08:44
got
1:08:44
more
1:08:44
children
1:08:44
and
1:08:45
more.
1:08:45
Yeah,
1:08:45
exactly.
1:08:45
Friends.
1:08:46
Children
1:08:46
in
1:08:46
your
1:08:46
family,
1:08:48
definitely.
1:08:49
And
1:08:50
it's
1:08:50
about
1:08:50
taking
1:08:51
the
1:08:51
rough
1:08:51
with
1:08:51
the
1:08:51
smooth.
1:08:52
One
1:08:52
of
1:08:52
my
1:08:52
friends,
1:08:53
the
1:08:53
first
1:08:53
thing
1:08:54
she
1:08:54
said
1:08:54
to
1:08:54
me
1:08:54
was,
1:08:55
well,
1:08:55
after
1:08:55
your
1:08:56
friends
1:08:56
have
1:08:56
bought
1:08:56
it,
1:08:57
who's
1:08:57
going
1:08:57
to
1:08:57
buy
1:08:57
it?
1:08:58
And
1:08:59
I
1:08:59
thought,
1:08:59
oh,
1:08:59
a
1:09:00
little
1:09:00
bit
1:09:00
harsh.
1:09:03
It's
1:09:03
a
1:09:03
true
1:09:04
fact.
1:09:04
You
1:09:04
do
1:09:04
think,
1:09:05
who
1:09:05
is
1:09:05
going
1:09:05
to
1:09:05
buy
1:09:06
it?
1:09:06
But
1:09:06
actually
1:09:06
thousands
1:09:07
of
1:09:07
people
1:09:07
have
1:09:07
bought
1:09:08
it,
1:09:08
so
1:09:08
I'm
1:09:08
very
1:09:09
proud
1:09:09
of
1:09:09
that.
1:09:10
But,
1:09:10
yes,
1:09:10
you
1:09:11
have
1:09:11
to
1:09:11
take
1:09:11
it.
1:09:11
People
1:09:12
will
1:09:12
always
1:09:13
say
1:09:13
something
1:09:14
critical.
1:09:14
There'll
1:09:14
always
1:09:14
be
1:09:15
someone
1:09:15
who'll
1:09:16
say,
1:09:16
oh,
1:09:17
you
1:09:17
know,
1:09:18
you
1:09:18
just
1:09:18
have
1:09:18
to
1:09:19
have
1:09:19
a
1:09:19
thick
1:09:19
skin.
1:09:20
You
1:09:20
have
1:09:20
to
1:09:20
keep
1:09:20
writing
1:09:21
it
1:09:21
down
1:09:21
and
1:09:21
you
1:09:21
have
1:09:21
to
1:09:22
think
1:09:22
what
1:09:22
if
1:09:22
you
1:09:23
think
1:09:23
that
1:09:23
this
1:09:24
is
1:09:24
for
1:09:24
you
1:09:24
and
1:09:24
you
1:09:24
want
1:09:24
to
1:09:25
do
1:09:25
it,
1:09:25
you've
1:09:25
just
1:09:25
got
1:09:26
to
1:09:27
do
1:09:27
it
1:09:27
and
1:09:27
try.
1:09:28
I
1:09:28
think.
1:09:29
Absolutely.
1:09:30
So
1:09:30
encouragement
1:09:31
for
1:09:31
readers.
1:09:32
I
1:09:32
always
1:09:32
save
1:09:33
this
1:09:33
question
1:09:33
towards
1:09:34
the
1:09:34
end
1:09:34
of
1:09:34
the
1:09:35
interview,
1:09:35
but
1:09:36
what
1:09:36
kind
1:09:36
of
1:09:36
encouragement
1:09:37
would
1:09:37
you
1:09:37
give
1:09:38
to
1:09:38
readers?
1:09:38
Why
1:09:39
should
1:09:39
readers
1:09:39
purchase
1:09:40
your
1:09:40
book?
1:09:41
Oh,
1:09:42
why
1:09:42
shouldn't
1:09:43
they?
1:09:43
Of
1:09:43
course
1:09:44
they
1:09:44
should.
1:09:44
It's
1:09:45
got
1:09:45
the
1:09:45
tongue
1:09:45
twister.
1:09:46
Let
1:09:46
me
1:09:46
just
1:09:46
read
1:09:47
you
1:09:47
this
1:09:47
tongue
1:09:47
twister
1:09:47
because
1:09:48
I
1:09:48
don't
1:09:49
know
1:09:49
if
1:09:49
I'm
1:09:49
supposed
1:09:49
to
1:09:49
do
1:09:50
this,
1:09:50
but
1:09:50
I'm
1:09:50
going
1:09:50
to
1:09:50
do
1:09:50
it
1:09:50
because.
1:09:51
No,
1:09:51
no,
1:09:51
absolutely.
1:09:52
Builds
1:09:53
up
1:09:53
into
1:09:53
a
1:09:53
long
1:09:54
tongue
1:09:54
twister
1:09:54
of.
1:09:55
Okay,
1:09:55
rhyming
1:09:56
words.
1:09:57
And
1:09:57
I
1:09:57
say
1:09:57
to
1:09:57
the
1:09:57
children,
1:09:58
I
1:09:58
can
1:09:58
do
1:09:58
this
1:09:58
in
1:09:59
about
1:09:59
two
1:09:59
seconds.
1:10:00
You're
1:10:00
not
1:10:00
gonna
1:10:00
be
1:10:00
able
1:10:00
to
1:10:00
do
1:10:01
it
1:10:01
that
1:10:01
fast
1:10:01
yet,
1:10:01
but
1:10:01
you
1:10:02
will
1:10:02
be
1:10:02
eventually
1:10:02
if
1:10:02
you
1:10:03
practice
1:10:04
and
1:10:04
I
1:10:04
do
1:10:04
it.
1:10:04
And
1:10:04
then
1:10:05
they
1:10:05
will
1:10:05
say,
1:10:05
can
1:10:05
read
1:10:05
your
1:10:05
prime.
1:10:06
So
1:10:06
it
1:10:07
ends
1:10:07
up
1:10:07
with,
1:10:08
I
1:10:08
won't
1:10:08
read
1:10:08
it
1:10:08
fast
1:10:09
to
1:10:09
start.
1:10:09
I'll
1:10:09
read
1:10:09
it
1:10:09
normally
1:10:10
so
1:10:10
you
1:10:10
can
1:10:10
hear
1:10:10
it
1:10:11
and
1:10:11
then
1:10:11
I'll
1:10:11
read
1:10:11
it
1:10:11
fast
1:10:11
for
1:10:12
you.
1:10:12
This
1:10:12
is
1:10:12
awesome.
1:10:13
This
1:10:13
is
1:10:14
the
1:10:14
way
1:10:14
that
1:10:14
I
1:10:14
enthused
1:10:15
you.
1:10:15
And
1:10:15
I
1:10:15
say,
1:10:15
if
1:10:15
you're
1:10:16
reading
1:10:16
a
1:10:16
rhyming
1:10:16
book,
1:10:17
particularly
1:10:17
because
1:10:17
that's
1:10:17
what
1:10:18
I
1:10:18
do,
1:10:18
you
1:10:18
can
1:10:19
read
1:10:19
rhymes
1:10:19
really
1:10:19
fast
1:10:20
and
1:10:20
it
1:10:20
helps
1:10:20
you.
1:10:20
If
1:10:20
you're
1:10:21
finding
1:10:21
reading
1:10:22
a
1:10:22
little
1:10:22
bit
1:10:22
trickier,
1:10:23
get
1:10:23
a
1:10:23
rhyming
1:10:24
book.
1:10:24
So
1:10:24
it
1:10:25
ends
1:10:25
up
1:10:25
with
1:10:25
that.
1:10:25
Shirley
1:10:26
is
1:10:26
with
1:10:26
early
1:10:27
Pearly,
1:10:27
whirly,
1:10:28
twirly,
1:10:28
swirly,
1:10:28
hurly,
1:10:29
burly,
1:10:29
curly,
1:10:30
Shirley
1:10:30
Merly
1:10:30
from
1:10:31
Burnley.
1:10:32
And
1:10:32
that's
1:10:32
the
1:10:32
tongue
1:10:33
twister
1:10:33
rhyme
1:10:33
that
1:10:34
ends
1:10:34
with.
1:10:34
And
1:10:35
I
1:10:35
can
1:10:35
say
1:10:35
it
1:10:35
really
1:10:35
fast.
1:10:36
I
1:10:36
can
1:10:36
say,
1:10:37
she
1:10:37
is
1:10:37
Anne,
1:10:38
always
1:10:40
curly
1:10:40
Shillimy
1:10:40
from
1:10:41
Burnley.
1:10:42
And
1:10:42
I
1:10:42
got
1:10:42
about
1:10:43
two
1:10:43
seconds.
1:10:44
Wow,
1:10:45
that's.
1:10:45
And
1:10:46
I
1:10:46
always
1:10:46
then
1:10:46
say
1:10:46
to.
1:10:46
I
1:10:47
say
1:10:47
to
1:10:47
them,
1:10:47
like,
1:10:47
does
1:10:47
any
1:10:48
of
1:10:48
the
1:10:48
teachers
1:10:48
want
1:10:48
to
1:10:48
have
1:10:48
a
1:10:48
go?
1:10:49
And
1:10:49
I
1:10:49
always
1:10:49
get
1:10:49
one
1:10:49
teacher
1:10:50
have
1:10:50
a
1:10:50
go.
1:10:51
Yeah,
1:10:51
I
1:10:52
love
1:10:52
that
1:10:53
part
1:10:53
of
1:10:53
it.
1:10:53
That's
1:10:54
why
1:10:54
I
1:10:54
think
1:10:54
so
1:10:54
when
1:10:54
you've
1:10:55
got
1:10:55
a
1:10:55
young
1:10:55
child,
1:10:56
they
1:10:56
love
1:10:56
a
1:10:56
bit
1:10:56
of
1:10:56
rhyme.
1:10:57
They
1:10:57
love
1:10:57
to
1:10:57
read
1:10:57
and
1:10:58
rhyme.
1:10:58
So
1:10:59
reading
1:10:59
a
1:10:59
tongue
1:11:00
twister.
1:11:00
Fantastic,
1:11:01
clever
1:11:02
Trevor.
1:11:02
They
1:11:03
both
1:11:03
have
1:11:03
repetitive
1:11:04
lines
1:11:04
in
1:11:04
them.
1:11:05
So
1:11:05
both
1:11:05
my
1:11:05
books,
1:11:05
you
1:11:06
build
1:11:06
up
1:11:06
the
1:11:06
lines
1:11:06
and
1:11:07
every
1:11:07
page
1:11:07
has
1:11:07
an
1:11:07
extra
1:11:08
line
1:11:08
building
1:11:08
up.
1:11:09
Clever
1:11:09
Trevor
1:11:10
doesn't
1:11:10
have
1:11:10
a
1:11:10
tongue
1:11:11
twister,
1:11:11
but
1:11:12
it's
1:11:12
just
1:11:12
such
1:11:12
a
1:11:12
lovely
1:11:13
thing.
1:11:14
It's
1:11:14
all
1:11:14
about
1:11:14
her
1:11:14
and
1:11:15
her
1:11:15
dog
1:11:15
and
1:11:15
her
1:11:15
friends
1:11:15
and
1:11:16
her
1:11:16
family
1:11:16
and.
1:11:17
Yeah,
1:11:18
it's
1:11:18
just
1:11:19
me.
1:11:20
I
1:11:20
would
1:11:20
encourage
1:11:21
people
1:11:21
if
1:11:21
they
1:11:21
want
1:11:22
to.
1:11:22
If
1:11:23
a
1:11:23
child
1:11:23
wants
1:11:24
to
1:11:24
expand
1:11:24
their
1:11:24
reading
1:11:25
ability,
1:11:25
read
1:11:26
in
1:11:26
rhyme.
1:11:26
And
1:11:27
my
1:11:27
books
1:11:27
rhyme.
1:11:28
So
1:11:28
why
1:11:28
Wouldn't
1:11:28
I
1:11:28
read?
1:11:29
Thank
1:11:30
you
1:11:30
for
1:11:30
sharing
1:11:30
that.
1:11:31
Final
1:11:32
thoughts.
1:11:32
Is
1:11:32
there
1:11:33
something
1:11:33
you
1:11:33
are
1:11:33
thinking?
1:11:34
Boy,
1:11:34
I
1:11:34
wish
1:11:34
Rick
1:11:35
would
1:11:35
have
1:11:35
asked
1:11:35
me
1:11:36
that
1:11:36
question.
1:11:37
Is
1:11:37
there
1:11:37
anything
1:11:38
that
1:11:38
you'd
1:11:38
like
1:11:38
to
1:11:38
share?
1:11:39
Oh,
1:11:41
I
1:11:41
get
1:11:42
asked
1:11:42
quite
1:11:43
a
1:11:43
lot.
1:11:43
Are
1:11:43
you
1:11:44
famous?
1:11:45
That's
1:11:45
something
1:11:46
that
1:11:46
I
1:11:46
quite
1:11:47
like
1:11:47
that
1:11:47
question.
1:11:48
Because
1:11:48
I
1:11:48
say,
1:11:48
there
1:11:49
is
1:11:49
a
1:11:49
difference
1:11:49
between
1:11:49
being
1:11:50
famous
1:11:50
and
1:11:50
being
1:11:51
recognized.
1:11:52
I
1:11:52
say,
1:11:52
I
1:11:52
am
1:11:53
recognized
1:11:54
because
1:11:54
I
1:11:54
go
1:11:54
to
1:11:54
all
1:11:55
these
1:11:55
different
1:11:55
schools
1:11:55
and
1:11:56
I
1:11:56
can
1:11:56
be
1:11:56
on
1:11:56
holiday.
1:11:57
I've
1:11:57
been
1:11:57
at
1:11:57
an
1:11:57
airport,
1:11:58
and
1:11:58
I
1:11:58
was
1:11:58
recognized
1:11:59
by
1:11:59
a
1:11:59
child
1:12:00
because
1:12:00
children
1:12:01
have
1:12:01
seen
1:12:02
me
1:12:02
and
1:12:02
they
1:12:03
all
1:12:03
call
1:12:03
me
1:12:03
Shirley
1:12:03
Murley,
1:12:04
even
1:12:04
though
1:12:04
my
1:12:04
name
1:12:04
is
1:12:05
Sue.
1:12:05
They
1:12:05
all
1:12:05
call
1:12:06
me
1:12:06
Shirley
1:12:06
because.
1:12:06
And
1:12:07
I
1:12:07
don't
1:12:07
mind
1:12:07
that
1:12:07
because
1:12:08
obviously
1:12:08
they're
1:12:08
remembering
1:12:09
the
1:12:09
character.
1:12:09
Absolutely.
1:12:10
So
1:12:11
being
1:12:11
recognized
1:12:12
is
1:12:12
lovely.
1:12:13
It's
1:12:13
amazing
1:12:13
that
1:12:13
children
1:12:14
recognize
1:12:14
me
1:12:14
and
1:12:14
they
1:12:15
say,
1:12:15
oh,
1:12:15
Shirley
1:12:15
Merle,
1:12:15
you
1:12:16
wrote
1:12:16
Shirley
1:12:16
Murley.
1:12:17
That's
1:12:17
brilliant.
1:12:18
Being
1:12:18
famous
1:12:19
to
1:12:19
me
1:12:20
is
1:12:20
more
1:12:21
that
1:12:21
global
1:12:21
fame.
1:12:21
They
1:12:22
know
1:12:22
exactly
1:12:22
who
1:12:23
you
1:12:23
are.
1:12:23
They
1:12:23
may
1:12:23
not
1:12:23
know
1:12:24
what
1:12:24
you've
1:12:24
done,
1:12:24
but
1:12:25
they
1:12:25
know
1:12:25
who
1:12:25
you
1:12:25
are.
1:12:26
Right?
1:12:26
And
1:12:26
I
1:12:26
say
1:12:27
to
1:12:27
the
1:12:27
children,
1:12:27
I
1:12:27
am
1:12:27
recognized.
1:12:29
One
1:12:29
day,
1:12:29
I
1:12:29
hope
1:12:29
I
1:12:30
will
1:12:30
be
1:12:30
famous.
1:12:31
But
1:12:31
at
1:12:31
the
1:12:31
moment,
1:12:32
I'm
1:12:32
recognized,
1:12:33
and
1:12:33
that's
1:12:33
good
1:12:33
enough
1:12:33
for
1:12:34
me
1:12:34
at
1:12:34
the
1:12:34
moment.
1:12:34
I
1:12:35
love
1:12:35
it.
1:12:35
And
1:12:36
one
1:12:37
of
1:12:37
my
1:12:37
first
1:12:37
guests,
1:12:38
Darcy
1:12:38
Guyana,
1:12:39
and
1:12:40
he's
1:12:40
written
1:12:40
some.
1:12:41
I
1:12:41
think
1:12:41
he's
1:12:41
up
1:12:41
to
1:12:42
five
1:12:42
or
1:12:42
six
1:12:43
children's
1:12:43
books,
1:12:43
and
1:12:44
it's
1:12:44
all
1:12:44
around
1:12:44
helicopters
1:12:46
and
1:12:46
helicopter
1:12:47
characters.
1:12:48
And
1:12:49
he
1:12:49
said,
1:12:49
the
1:12:49
thing
1:12:50
that
1:12:50
he
1:12:50
gets
1:12:50
the
1:12:51
most
1:12:51
is
1:12:51
they
1:12:52
say,
1:12:52
are
1:12:53
you
1:12:53
a
1:12:53
millionaire?
1:12:56
I
1:12:56
get
1:12:56
a
1:12:56
lot.
1:12:56
I
1:12:57
get,
1:12:57
are
1:12:57
you
1:12:57
rich?
1:12:58
And
1:12:58
I
1:12:58
say,
1:12:59
no.
1:12:59
I
1:12:59
also
1:13:00
get
1:13:00
asked
1:13:00
all
1:13:00
the
1:13:01
time
1:13:01
by
1:13:01
the
1:13:01
children,
1:13:01
how
1:13:02
old
1:13:02
are
1:13:02
you?
1:13:02
Although
1:13:03
I
1:13:03
said,
1:13:03
I'm
1:13:03
a
1:13:04
bit
1:13:04
older
1:13:04
than
1:13:04
I
1:13:04
was
1:13:04
yesterday,
1:13:05
but
1:13:05
I'm
1:13:05
younger
1:13:05
than
1:13:05
I
1:13:05
was.
1:13:06
Horror
1:13:06
and
1:13:07
then
1:13:07
look
1:13:07
at
1:13:07
my
1:13:07
own.
1:13:09
I
1:13:10
like
1:13:10
that.
1:13:10
I'll
1:13:10
have
1:13:10
to
1:13:11
use
1:13:11
that,
1:13:11
if
1:13:11
you
1:13:11
don't
1:13:11
mind.
1:13:13
Sue,
1:13:13
thank
1:13:14
you
1:13:14
so
1:13:14
much
1:13:14
for
1:13:15
being
1:13:15
a
1:13:15
guest
1:13:15
on
1:13:15
the
1:13:16
Adventures
1:13:16
of
1:13:16
the
1:13:16
Heart
1:13:17
of
1:13:17
Children's
1:13:17
Book
1:13:17
Authors
1:13:18
Podcast.
1:13:19
Your
1:13:19
generosity
1:13:20
of
1:13:20
time
1:13:21
insights
1:13:21
will
1:13:22
significantly
1:13:22
benefit
1:13:23
aspiring
1:13:24
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1:13:24
and
1:13:25
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1:13:25
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1:13:25
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1:13:26
promise
1:13:26
to
1:13:27
provide
1:13:27
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1:13:28
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1:13:28
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1:13:28
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1:13:29
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1:13:29
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1:13:30
to
1:13:30
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1:13:31
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1:13:31
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1:13:31
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1:13:32
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1:13:32
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1:13:54
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1:13:54
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1:13:54
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1:13:54
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1:13:55
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