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UK Column News Podcast 17th March 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. Today is Monday, the seventeenth of March twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, just after one o'clock. Welcome to UK Column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Brian Gerish delighted to have Ben Rubin
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Speaker 1: with me in the studio. Welcome Ben, Thanks Brian, and
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Speaker 1: we are very pleased today to also be joined by
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Speaker 1: Diane Rasmus and mcaddy who'll be joining us by link
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Speaker 1: from Scotland. And we also have a guest presenter today,
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Speaker 1: Lang Grieber, doctor, who is a visiting professor with the
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Speaker 1: University of Logano in Switzerland. I think we're going to
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Speaker 1: have a really fascinating news because there are so many
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Speaker 1: important things happening on a world stage. We'll see whether
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Speaker 1: we can get to grips with oose Today. We're going
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Speaker 1: to kick off by inviting the audience to go back
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Speaker 1: in time to twenty in particular, and this is when
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Speaker 1: the UK Column had started a Warn and Warn about
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Speaker 1: the British government's use of applied behavioral psychology. This was
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Speaker 1: the express headline Nudge Unit to become a Business and
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Speaker 1: we said that the Conservatives had unleashed an applied behavioral
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Speaker 1: psychology program on the public, boasting and that is absolutely correct,
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Speaker 1: boasting that they could change our views and values. Well,
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Speaker 1: it was really only the UK column that was warning
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Speaker 1: about the brainwashing aspect, and I'm going to qualify that
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Speaker 1: description in just a moment. But of course, where the
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Speaker 1: public need to go if you've no idea. What we're
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Speaker 1: talking about is the mind Space document that was published
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Speaker 1: by the Cabinet Office back in twenty ten, mind Space
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Speaker 1: Influencing Behavior through Public Policy. And if I bring in
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Speaker 1: a bit of detail on this, David Halpin was the
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Speaker 1: key and if you have a look at what's on
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Speaker 1: screen at the moment, so he was the chief strategist
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Speaker 1: at the Prime Minister's Strategy Unit between two thousand and
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Speaker 1: one and two thousand and seven. So this use of
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Speaker 1: applied psychology to help a political agenda came from within
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Speaker 1: the Cabinet Office. The look at the sort of people
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Speaker 1: who were involved Ivo Flaev who was senior lecturer in
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Speaker 1: psychology at the Faculty of Medicine at Imperial College London,
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Speaker 1: so senior senior people. But where the real dangers lie
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Speaker 1: was actually and I think quite remarkably set out in
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Speaker 1: the mind Space document itself. Let's bring this bit up
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Speaker 1: on screen highlight it. It says the potential for controversy.
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Speaker 1: Policymakers know that attempts to change citizens behavior may well
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Speaker 1: be controversial, and so therefore the public should be consulted. Well,
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Speaker 1: of course the public weren't consulted. And then we see
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Speaker 1: here the absolute danger in what they're doing because it
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Speaker 1: talks about automatic effects on people. Here it says a
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Speaker 1: lack of conscious control also has implications for consent and
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Speaker 1: freedom of choice. So these people using a weapon, which
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Speaker 1: means that the public may not fully realize that their
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Speaker 1: behavior is being changed, or at least how it's being changed.
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Speaker 1: And I look at the audience today and I say,
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Speaker 1: do you really trust any politician that's in Westminster at
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Speaker 1: the moment, either party, either or any party? Do you
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Speaker 1: trust those people to change your behavior in a way
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Speaker 1: you don't even realize that your mind is being changed.
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Speaker 1: Been this is shocking stuff, even when you go back
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Speaker 1: and have a look. Now, following the twenty ten reports,
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Speaker 1: the Behavior Insights Team, who's the government's core I'm going
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Speaker 1: to call them Brainwashington, they produced another report here, Behavioral
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Speaker 1: Government using behavioral science to improve how governments introduce their
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Speaker 1: policy and if the audience wants to know what we're
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Speaker 1: really talking about. They're no better place to go than lockdown.
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Speaker 1: When the government scientific team of SAGE, backed up by
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Speaker 1: spy B and these included psychological experts, minuted a meeting
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Speaker 1: where it was talking about amazing things. It was talking
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Speaker 1: about using education to change the way people behaved, using persuasion,
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Speaker 1: using an incentivization system, and here is one of the
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Speaker 1: really dangerous ones, coercing people into doing what the government wanted,
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Speaker 1: and enabling and facilitating other parts of the program, and
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Speaker 1: under persuasion. The remarkable sentence is here at the perceived
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Speaker 1: level of person or threat needs to be increased amongst
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Speaker 1: those who are complacent using hard hitting emotional messaging. This
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Speaker 1: was effectively saying, we're going to use fear in order
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Speaker 1: to get the public to do as we tell them.
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Speaker 1: Ben Incredible stuff, isn't it? When you see it in
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Speaker 1: black and white like this.
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Speaker 2: It is incredible stuff, And it's absolutely everywhere in the system. Actually,
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Speaker 2: I remember being in the advertising industry when the mind
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Speaker 2: Space document landed back in twenty ten, and when the
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Speaker 2: ad agency has got their hands on that, they essentially
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Speaker 2: turned themselves into the behavior change industry. It's actually how
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Speaker 2: they talk about it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, well let's move on to the present day
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Speaker 1: and this is the headline. Now, this actually started to
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Speaker 1: happen at the end of twenty twenty four, but it's rolling.
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Speaker 1: It's a steamroller. In twenty twenty five in Starmer's government
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Speaker 1: and basically a new media unit has been set up
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Speaker 1: with virtually a seven hundred thousand pounds budget, as we're
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Speaker 1: going to see lots of money of aiable. Now, this
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Speaker 1: is one of the key men who's mentioned in regard
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Speaker 1: to heading up Keir Starmer's Downing Street operation. And the
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Speaker 1: best we can say about this man is we don't
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Speaker 1: know anything about him. We don't know anything about the
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Speaker 1: thousands of other unelected and unaccountable people. But should we
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Speaker 1: trust him now? With in respect of the new media unit,
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Speaker 1: this is what Keir Starmer had to say. The way
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Speaker 1: people consume information has changed. If we're going to rebuild trust,
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Speaker 1: we need to meet people where they are on the
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Speaker 1: platforms they use. Interesting admission by Keir Starmer that the
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Speaker 1: politicians and that includes himself, people do not trust them.
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Speaker 1: He goes on to say this will bring together data analysts,
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Speaker 1: creative content producers and paid media specialists to reach and
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Speaker 1: connect with the public in a much more effective way.
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Speaker 1: But what does he really mean. Well, this is what
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Speaker 1: I think he's talking about, and these are my words,
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Speaker 1: our propaganda and psychological reframing program. But the legacy media,
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Speaker 1: the mainstream media, is failing. We need to spread our
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Speaker 1: propaganda to the social media channels and we'll add a
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Speaker 1: bit to that. The social media channels are where people
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Speaker 1: are watching and listening to real news and analysis, and we,
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Speaker 1: the new Labor government, have to disrupt this. So that
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Speaker 1: is what I think that Keir Starmer is ready talking about.
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Speaker 1: But if we get deeper into proper detailed analysis, we
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Speaker 1: can have a look at this parliamentary Parliamentary website which
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Speaker 1: is talking about questions that have been asked and in
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Speaker 1: June twenty twenty one, the question was being asked about
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Speaker 1: a spend of almost two hundred and thirty six and
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Speaker 1: a half million pounds on fifteen hundred people who were
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Speaker 1: part of the government's policy objectives. So these were people
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Speaker 1: using these techniques in order to produce policy that the
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Speaker 1: public were going to accept. And then in this part
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Speaker 1: of the text, I'm just going to read part of
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Speaker 1: the screen. It is impossible to tell from the annual
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Speaker 1: report and accounts how much support in terms of staff
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Speaker 1: and budget is dedicated to the Prime Minister, so we
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Speaker 1: don't even know where this money is going, and disaggregating
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Speaker 1: support for the Prime Minister and the rest of the
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Speaker 1: government would not fully resolve the problems of transparency and
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Speaker 1: accountability we've highlighted. And if I do the last one here,
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Speaker 1: this is wrong. It undermines both ministerial accountability to Parliament
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Speaker 1: and collective responsibility on the part of the cabinet. So
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Speaker 1: we are not allowed to know what the government is doing.
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Speaker 1: But what we do know is the government is using
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Speaker 1: pretty vicious applied psychology to change the way we think
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Speaker 1: can behave and we're not even going to know now.
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Speaker 1: One of the problems at the moment is that even
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Speaker 1: the lords, never mind the members of Parliament themselves, the
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Speaker 1: lords don't really understand what's happening. This is a question
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Speaker 1: from Lord Alton of Liverpool, and he was asking his
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Speaker 1: excuse me, its Majesty's government whether the new Media Unit
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Speaker 1: based in the Cabinet Office and the individuals within it,
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Speaker 1: including the Prime Minister's Chief of staff, have an exemption
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Speaker 1: to use TikTok on government devices. Now, the problem is
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Speaker 1: he doesn't even know the right question to ask because
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Speaker 1: he's heard about TikTok and the Chinese, so he probably
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Speaker 1: thinks this is a security issue, but actually this is
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Speaker 1: to do with a constitutional issue where the government is
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Speaker 1: working to attack its own citizens. And the reply from
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Speaker 1: Baroness twy Cross is particularly revealing because she says the
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Speaker 1: policy on the use of TikTok on government devices hasn't changed.
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Speaker 1: She must have been very happy because essentially there was
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Speaker 1: a question which was irrelevant. She didn't have to worry
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Speaker 1: about the response. But if we sum up here, even
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Speaker 1: the Institute of Government in its latest reports is saying
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Speaker 1: that it really can't unravel the secret workings of the state,
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Speaker 1: and it's running conferences to try and ascertain how it works.
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Speaker 1: But if we look at the Behavioral Insights Team itself,
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Speaker 1: they claim that they're independent now, but if we look
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Speaker 1: at the website, they're independent and partners of the Cabinet Office,
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Speaker 1: So that does not appear to be true. And this
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Speaker 1: is very telling if we look at where they're now
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Speaker 1: operating in the world, let's expand that on screen. So
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Speaker 1: the black is Behavioral insights team projects. The dark blue
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Speaker 1: it's offices and the light blue is local staff presence.
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Speaker 1: What started in British government now spread acros the world,
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Speaker 1: and interestingly in Europe, the two key offices are in
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Speaker 1: UK and France. And I'm specifically going to say that
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Speaker 1: is because that the government here was working with Sarkose's
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Speaker 1: expert on brainwashing way back in twenty twelve twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 1: so Germany was left out, although we can see that
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Speaker 1: Germany is being used for applied behavioral psychological experiments. And
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Speaker 1: on that note, i'd like to welcome our guest presenter today, Yobbs,
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Speaker 1: Lang Grieber and Jobbs. Thank you very much for agreeing
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Speaker 1: to join the UK column, and I think you've got
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Speaker 1: a really important segment today on changes that possible changes
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Speaker 1: to the German constitution.
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Speaker 3: Welcome, Hello, good afternoon everybody. So what I'm going to
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Speaker 3: show you is change of the constitution that is going
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Speaker 3: to happen probably tomorrow and which is in a way
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Speaker 3: set up in a very problematic manner. So recently we
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Speaker 3: had a re election of our Parliament, of our lower house,
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Speaker 3: which is the one that makes the relevant decisions, and
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Speaker 3: you see these as a new seat distribution that you
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Speaker 3: have here and basically the City which is comparable to
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Speaker 3: the Tories, and the SPD which is comparable to Labor.
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Speaker 3: They want to form a new coalition and they will
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Speaker 3: also have a slight majority together. The main opposing parties
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Speaker 3: are is the blue segment here which is the AfD,
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Speaker 3: which has no equivalent in England, but it's comparable to
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Speaker 3: the French Rassle mon Nacional. And then you have here
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Speaker 3: this magenta colored segment is the Lefty party which are Marxists,
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Speaker 3: which is the heir of the former Seed which was
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Speaker 3: the political party of eastern Germany. And these are the
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Speaker 3: main opposition parties, whereas the black, green and red segment
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Speaker 3: basically form a blog that is rather uniform in its
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Speaker 3: political intentions. So that means that these two parties and
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Speaker 3: the SPD only have now a normal majority, but no
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Speaker 3: qualified majority. But they would like to increase the deficit
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Speaker 3: spending in Germany and issue a new package of nine
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Speaker 3: hundred billion euro of additional debt, so just to give
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Speaker 3: you a feeding, Germany now has around two point five
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Speaker 3: trillion of debts, so nine hundred billion additional is thirty
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Speaker 3: percent increment of debt, which is an unprecedented debt increment
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Speaker 3: in one step, and this is unconstitutional according to our
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Speaker 3: current constitution. In the all Parliament, the the SPD and
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Speaker 3: the Greens together have a two thirds majority to change
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Speaker 3: the constitution and to their for enable this law to
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Speaker 3: go through and to then create this huge pile of
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Speaker 3: additional debt. However, the new Parliament that was voted end
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Speaker 3: of February, they don't have this two thirds majority anymore.
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Speaker 3: There they are in there are only thirty seats or
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Speaker 3: forty seats below it. Because the two oppositional parties Ived
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Speaker 3: and Left Party, they have more than one third of
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Speaker 3: the votes together. Therefore, the are now have asked for
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Speaker 3: an emergency assembly of the old parliament despite the fact
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Speaker 3: that this has been voted out, so that they can
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Speaker 3: now change the constitution and use the old majority to
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Speaker 3: vote for a constitutional change that will free their ability
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Speaker 3: to issue a debt. And basically to do this, they
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Speaker 3: claimed an emergency because they say that we have a
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Speaker 3: defense emergency in Germany that is necessary, so that it
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Speaker 3: is necessary to spend hundreds of billions for defense spending
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Speaker 3: and also on infrastructure, and this is unprecedented in the
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Speaker 3: history of Germany since World War Two, and so despite
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Speaker 3: the Parliament being voted out, it's now assembling one more
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Speaker 3: time merely to bring through this constitutional state a change.
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Speaker 3: And this is of course raising a lot of alarm
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Speaker 3: in Germany and what can the opposition do? So the
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Speaker 3: first option was an intervention by the Constitutional Court to
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Speaker 3: stop this assembly, but it failed last Friday. The court
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Speaker 3: ruled that the old Assembly is still in charge and
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Speaker 3: free to change the constitution, which is a formalistic approach,
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Speaker 3: but from a legalistic perspective probably all right. So this
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Speaker 3: has failed. Now the only thing that the opposition can
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Speaker 3: do is try to convince members of Parliament of the
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Speaker 3: future coalition to vote against the constitutional change in the
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Speaker 3: Old Assembly, which is what they're trying to achieve now.
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Speaker 3: But it's unlikely they need to convince thirty MP's of
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Speaker 3: doing this, and we don't know whether this will is
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Speaker 3: likely to succeed. So this means that it's very likely
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Speaker 3: that this debt package will be made possible. What are
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Speaker 3: the details? So, because the equivalent of the Tory and
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Speaker 3: the Labor Party both need the Green Party because only
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Speaker 3: with the help of the Greens they will have two
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Speaker 3: thirds of the votes. They they have amended the package
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Speaker 3: the constitution to change the constitution to include the main
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Speaker 3: goals of the Greens. Here on the screen you can
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Speaker 3: see two of their leaders, and so this is they
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Speaker 3: will now make climate protection a constitutional goal. That means
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Speaker 3: that the climate protection will be enshrined as a goal
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Speaker 3: of German state in the constitution. And also one hundred
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Speaker 3: billion euro of the spending package will have to be
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Speaker 3: spent for climate change mitigation. And this was of course
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Speaker 3: added to optic agreement by the Green Party. So despite
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Speaker 3: the fact that the Green Party is not going to
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Speaker 3: be a member of our parliament anymore, it is now
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Speaker 3: very very influential. So it obtains a change to the
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Speaker 3: constitution that it has fought for since many years, and
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Speaker 3: basically now the main instrument for this change of the
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Speaker 3: society towards the industrialization is now part of our constitution.
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Speaker 3: What are the consequences of this? So on the background
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Speaker 3: of the screen you see the ten year bond yield curve,
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Speaker 3: the interest rates that have to be paid on government
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Speaker 3: bonds in the European Union, and the figures for Germany
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Speaker 3: at the moments still quite the same. So you see
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Speaker 3: that at the beginning of COVID. There was quite an
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Speaker 3: increase in the middle of COVID. They had to increase
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Speaker 3: quite massively the interest rate payments on the bonds because
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Speaker 3: the massive spending, deficit spending that was done in that
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Speaker 3: time made the markets fearful of defaults in the Eurozone.
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Speaker 3: And so you can already see that we have had
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Speaker 3: quite a massive increase in interest rates and it is
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Speaker 3: very likely that we'll have another increase in interest rates
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Speaker 3: due to this issuing of massive depth. The second and
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Speaker 3: it will lead to a ninety percent of GDP deputy
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Speaker 3: degradation in Germany, which is then getting very close to
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Speaker 3: the United States for example. It will lead to high inflation,
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Speaker 3: increased taxation and high interest rates, and the Euro as
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Speaker 3: a currency will become even more unstable because it endangers
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Speaker 3: the credit rating of the last country guarantee its existence.
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Speaker 3: That that credit rating is declining now and this is
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Speaker 3: very dangerous for the Euro. So the last aspect, that's
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Speaker 3: review how the German media see this. So this is
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Speaker 3: all in German what you're going to see now, but
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Speaker 3: may mainly they are euphorics for target show, which is
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Speaker 3: like BBC says, the financial package stands or is established.
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Speaker 3: Said The f which is also like BBC, says that
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Speaker 3: the road for the new debt package has been freed.
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Speaker 3: They don't call it debt package by financial package, though
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Speaker 3: it's a big debt package. Another radio station, like BBC,
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Speaker 3: says that economists are in favor of this agreement, and
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Speaker 3: the Zoododgit, citing leading youthspaper, applauds that now the billions
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Speaker 3: have been made freed up for defense and infrastructure, so
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Speaker 3: you can see that though there's huge skepticism in the
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Speaker 3: German population and many commentators our media are enthusiastically in
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Speaker 3: favor of this or manipulation for constitutions.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for taking us through that, and
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Speaker 1: I particularly picked up the fact that you've said these
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Speaker 1: are changes the like of which have not been seen
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Speaker 1: since the Second World War, will lead up to the
19:48
Speaker 1: Second World War, I think you mean on this. So
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Speaker 1: these are very serious things that are happening. And a
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Speaker 1: government which has been voted out, correct me if I
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Speaker 1: haven't got this right, But a government in Germany is
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Speaker 1: voted out and then before they let their hands go
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Speaker 1: from the leavers of power, they're going to bring in
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Speaker 1: this massive, massive change and they're going to look the
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Speaker 1: public in the eye and say this is constitutional and
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Speaker 1: you need to accept it. Is the German public reacting
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Speaker 1: even if the German mainstream media is supporting it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, first of all, it's not the government but
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Speaker 3: the parliament. So because at the moment we still have
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Speaker 3: the old government, but it's not the main actor. But
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Speaker 3: the main actor is actually are the two parties that
20:39
Speaker 3: try to form a new coalition. And to form this
20:41
Speaker 3: coalition they need to do deficit spending because that's the
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Speaker 3: only way to get agreement on many topics. So they
20:45
Speaker 3: want to cover their disagreement by spending a lot of
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Speaker 3: money and that's why they need this constitutional change. But
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Speaker 3: they use the old parliament to make the change. Now,
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Speaker 3: how is the public reacting, Well, there are the alternative
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Speaker 3: media are scared, they are fuming, their command think very negatively.
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Speaker 3: Many economists are commenting in a negative way, but they
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Speaker 3: are also the government economic commentators, which are closed for
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Speaker 3: the government, who, of course a plant is But I
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Speaker 3: think there's a lot of disagreement with this in the
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Speaker 3: German public.
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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you very much for that. Now you've kindly
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Speaker 1: agreed to join us for UK column Extra today and
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Speaker 1: so we'll we'll have a much deeper discussion about these
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Speaker 1: factors and also what's happening in UK. But thank you
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Speaker 1: very much for joining us today for that segment. Well, Ben, really,
21:37
Speaker 1: what better place to go than than big money power
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Speaker 1: and the hedge funds.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeh, dirty money in Germany, dirty money in the UK.
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Speaker 2: And we're going to have a look at how international
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Speaker 2: investors and algorithmic trading companies in the City of London
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Speaker 2: are pumping millions of pounds into the UK political system
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Speaker 2: in order to create and capture a trillion pound market
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Speaker 2: place in climate technology. And I'm going to start by
22:03
Speaker 2: looking at this organization. This is Quadrature, a technology business
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Speaker 2: that takes trading positions determined by statistical models to generate
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Speaker 2: returns on its own proprietary capital. They use algorithms to
22:17
Speaker 2: trade with their own money to make essentially perpetual profits,
22:22
Speaker 2: like a money printing machine. They call it the ultimate
22:25
Speaker 2: automated trading business. And you'll notice, if you're paying attention
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Speaker 2: to the video running on screen, there are no people
22:32
Speaker 2: in the video. On their website, that's quite interesting, very telling.
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Speaker 2: They do actually have a few employees. They've got just
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Speaker 2: over two hundred employees. They're based in the City of London,
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Speaker 2: run next to the Gurkin and they pay their people
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Speaker 2: an average of three point six million pounds a year
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Speaker 2: each in twenty twenty two. As they're generating an enormous
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Speaker 2: amount of money, they're incredibly opaque, so both technologically they
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Speaker 2: run a black box trading st system. We don't understand
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Speaker 2: how this thing operates in the background. Financially, it's based
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Speaker 2: in the Cayman Islands, so it's in a tax haven.
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Speaker 2: And culturally it's described by the people, by people in
23:11
Speaker 2: industry as a bit of a cult, right, so this
23:15
Speaker 2: is quite an interesting term to use when talking about
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Speaker 2: an organization like this. The cult is led by these two.
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Speaker 2: So this is Greg Skinner and saneil Setia, who are
23:27
Speaker 2: big time maths and science guys. One studied mathematics, one
23:32
Speaker 2: studied physics Cambridge and Manchester University respectively. They've been working
23:37
Speaker 2: in the city for the past thirty years. They set
23:40
Speaker 2: Quadrature up about fifteen years ago, and interestingly they receive
23:44
Speaker 2: no salaries from the business, but instead they've taken a
23:48
Speaker 2: combined total of about one hundred and sixty pounds in
23:52
Speaker 2: low interest loans from the company in order to drastically
23:56
Speaker 2: reduce the amount of income tax that they have to pay,
23:59
Speaker 2: which makes perfect candidates to make huge donations to the
24:03
Speaker 2: Labor Party. And last year they gave four million pounds
24:09
Speaker 2: to Labor. It's the largest ever donation that has been
24:13
Speaker 2: given to the Labor Party in its entire history. And
24:16
Speaker 2: this was particularly interesting. This report here from Open Democracy
24:20
Speaker 2: came in September and they revealed that the Labor received
24:25
Speaker 2: the donation in the one week window between the former
24:28
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Rishi Sunac announcing the general election and the
24:31
Speaker 2: start of the pre poll reporting period in which all
24:35
Speaker 2: political donations over eleven one hundred and eighty pounds had
24:38
Speaker 2: to be published weekly rather than the quarterly norm. So
24:42
Speaker 2: essentially they've made this donation deliberately in that period to
24:46
Speaker 2: avoid scrutiny ahead of the election. I think we have
24:49
Speaker 2: to assume that Starma Etau, the whole Labor apparatus would
24:54
Speaker 2: have known about this. I can't say whether it was
24:55
Speaker 2: their choice to do so or not, but.
24:57
Speaker 1: Well, the minimum is they could have plared it to
25:00
Speaker 1: the public so that it was made highly visible to
25:03
Speaker 1: the public, and of course that didn't happen. In line
25:06
Speaker 1: with my opening segment today where Starmer and his team
25:11
Speaker 1: do not want to tell the public how they're even
25:14
Speaker 1: running the government. So exactly, Yeah, all of the questions
25:18
Speaker 1: spent four million straight into the Labor Party. And then
25:22
Speaker 1: what else is quadrit you're doing with the money? It's
25:25
Speaker 1: putting tens hundreds of millions into this thing. This is
25:29
Speaker 1: the Quadrature Climate Foundation. The New Climate Reality demands unprecedented
25:36
Speaker 1: climate action. We're very familiar with all this stuff and
25:39
Speaker 1: what are they up to? So they say that their
25:41
Speaker 1: work as a global focus. Since launching in twenty nineteen,
25:45
Speaker 1: we've committed more than a billion dollars to more than
25:49
Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty organizations in seventeen countries advancing climate
25:52
Speaker 1: solutions around the world. This includes the Nations, to the
25:55
Speaker 1: United Nations, the London School of Economics, Rockefeller Philanthropy had advisors,
26:00
Speaker 1: the World Economic Forum, the Bureau for Investigative Journalism. Interestingly,
26:05
Speaker 1: so they're funding the people that are supposed to be
26:07
Speaker 1: investigating them.
26:08
Speaker 2: No conflicts of interest there at all. And also a
26:11
Speaker 2: political foundation who I'll come back to a little bit later.
26:15
Speaker 2: Now all this climate stuff. You could present this potentially
26:17
Speaker 2: as being altruistic. They want to fix the problems of
26:20
Speaker 2: the world. But unfortunately I'm a bit more cynical, and
26:23
Speaker 2: actually the actions of the founders suggest that that's not
26:25
Speaker 2: what's going on here at all. Because Greg Skinner at
26:28
Speaker 2: the start of this year acquired a fifty percent stake
26:31
Speaker 2: in Ethical Power Group, right, which is a UK business
26:36
Speaker 2: actually based in Exeter just down the road, and they've
26:39
Speaker 2: already got fourteen projects up and running across the UK
26:42
Speaker 2: solar energy. You can see the image just popping into
26:45
Speaker 2: the bottom of the frame there. And his money includes
26:48
Speaker 2: a fifteen million pound working capital owns to support the
26:52
Speaker 2: growth of this organization in the UK market and internationally.
26:57
Speaker 2: So the Quadrature Fund, one of the owners, has got
27:00
Speaker 2: a vested interest in the commercial growth and development of
27:04
Speaker 2: the market that he's charitable fund is promoting, is pushing
27:09
Speaker 2: the agenda for SAME's part for the course, absolutely and
27:13
Speaker 2: what else has he got from his money from the
27:15
Speaker 2: Labor government, Well quite a lot actually, So the UK
27:18
Speaker 2: Climate Envoy, so our top international voice talking about climate issue.
27:25
Speaker 2: This lady Rachel Kite, former World Bank Climate chief, was
27:29
Speaker 2: put into position in September. Right, so Quadature have had
27:33
Speaker 2: put a load of money in this appointment is made
27:38
Speaker 2: and she's actually a trustee of the Quadrative Climate Foundation,
27:42
Speaker 2: so she's on the board and she hasn't resigned that position,
27:45
Speaker 2: and so she's still a trustee while operating in that capacity.
27:50
Speaker 2: For the British government and Cordature have also put a
27:55
Speaker 2: lot of money, is we're about to find out into
27:57
Speaker 2: a political foundation in order to retrain UK government officials
28:03
Speaker 2: to make them more amenable to the climate agenda. Let's
28:06
Speaker 2: hear from Lisa Whitten.
28:07
Speaker 4: Now, So Jeremy Oppenheim announced that the Quadrat Climate Foundation
28:15
Speaker 4: has awarded the Government Climate Campus. Robin told you a
28:18
Speaker 4: little bit about that. Puja told you a little bit
28:20
Speaker 4: about that, which was named as one of Fast Company's
28:22
Speaker 4: most innovative ideas in the world, which we're really proud of,
28:26
Speaker 4: one million dollar grant to train twenty five thousand policymakers.
28:31
Speaker 4: You know, we like to work at the whole stack
28:33
Speaker 4: of government, as we say, from the national down to
28:36
Speaker 4: the very local where those shovels hit the ground.
28:43
Speaker 1: Astonishing, I'm going to say astonishing, Ben because she is
28:46
Speaker 1: really telling us what's going on. So when she's talking
28:50
Speaker 1: about training, what she really means is reframing. Remember, the
28:54
Speaker 1: government is using applied psychology to change the way people
28:58
Speaker 1: think without them knowing what's being done. That's the technology
29:02
Speaker 1: being used in courses. And then she says something very
29:05
Speaker 1: important there down to the level, the bottom level shovels
29:11
Speaker 1: on the ground. They need people at local level to
29:16
Speaker 1: implement their policies. Because people at local level do not
29:20
Speaker 1: implement the policies. This game is all over. So if
29:23
Speaker 1: you're watching today's news thinking my goodness, what can we do?
29:27
Speaker 1: It is so easy you say no to the policy
29:31
Speaker 1: at local level.
29:34
Speaker 2: That's the achilles here of the whole thing. Right, So
29:37
Speaker 2: that's that's Lisa Whitter. We've talked about Lisa Whitter a lot,
29:40
Speaker 2: a young global leader of the World Economic Forum. She's
29:43
Speaker 2: one of the chiefs of a political foundation who are
29:47
Speaker 2: in the process right now of retraining reframing UK government.
29:50
Speaker 2: Global governments are in one hundred and seventy countries, one
29:53
Speaker 2: of the primary mechanisms for the Great Reset agenda to
29:56
Speaker 2: be driven down into nation states. Right, that's what she's
29:59
Speaker 2: up to. Mentioned a few things which I'm going to unpick.
30:02
Speaker 2: So first one was this guy Jeremy Oppenheim. All right,
30:06
Speaker 2: so he was started off as a senior economist at
30:09
Speaker 2: the World Bank back in the eighties. He then spent
30:12
Speaker 2: twenty three years at McKinsey, becoming ultimately their senior partner
30:16
Speaker 2: for Sustainability. McKinsey one of the top tier global strategy
30:20
Speaker 2: firms and a strategic partner of the World Economic Forum,
30:24
Speaker 2: And for the past nine years he's been a partner
30:27
Speaker 2: and now recently become managing partner of Systemic, which is
30:32
Speaker 2: a blended advisory and investment firm whose purpose is to
30:36
Speaker 2: create disruptions in the world's critical economic systems. That's literally
30:41
Speaker 2: how they describe what they do, and that's capital and ideas,
30:46
Speaker 2: particularly focused around food, energy, all of the industrial transformations
30:52
Speaker 2: that we've been talking about and what he doesn't have
30:53
Speaker 2: a listed on his LinkedIn profile in this role. So
30:56
Speaker 2: he's a co chair of the advisory board at the
31:00
Speaker 2: Quadrative Climate Foundation and as Lisa Witter just told us,
31:04
Speaker 2: they put a million dollars to retrain twenty five thousand
31:09
Speaker 2: policymakers into this thing, which is the Government Climate Campus.
31:16
Speaker 2: This is one of the apolitical flagship programs. So they
31:20
Speaker 2: talk about building energy and climate capable governments this decade,
31:24
Speaker 2: an ambitious global partnership hosted by Apolitical to rapidly upscale
31:29
Speaker 2: whole government workforces with the energy, climate and nature training
31:33
Speaker 2: needed for impactful actions people got to take action. Quadrator
31:38
Speaker 2: behind it, but also Bezos Earth Earth Fund, Rockefeller Brothers Fund,
31:44
Speaker 2: Foreign and Commonwealth and Development Office. So UK government is
31:47
Speaker 2: absolutely at the center of this global transition process and
31:52
Speaker 2: what are they training people on? So if you go
31:54
Speaker 2: and look at the website we'll provide some links. You
31:56
Speaker 2: can see that the agenda for the Climate Campus is
32:00
Speaker 2: climate change in health, climate change and mental health. They
32:03
Speaker 2: love to tile these things together, centering equity in climate action.
32:07
Speaker 2: So there's very much this kind of neo Marxist dynamic
32:10
Speaker 2: to this. But the leveling out of living standards artificially internationally,
32:16
Speaker 2: climate finance, green growth, and an introduction to the energy transition,
32:20
Speaker 2: which is an energy transition based on energy systems sold
32:25
Speaker 2: by people like Greg Skinner who is behind the Quadrata
32:30
Speaker 2: Climate Foundation and then ultimately paid for through taxation, through
32:34
Speaker 2: money printing like Yobs talking about earlier on, but then
32:38
Speaker 2: also through loans from people like Jeremy Oppenheim at systemic
32:42
Speaker 2: and crucially, as Brian's pointed, out. The final quote there
32:46
Speaker 2: in the video was that we like to work at
32:48
Speaker 2: every level from national to very local where those shovels
32:52
Speaker 2: hit the ground, And just to reinforce Brian's excellent point,
32:57
Speaker 2: if we want to stop this thing in his tracks,
32:59
Speaker 2: then that where we need to focus our energy, and
33:02
Speaker 2: it's actually where we can get the most traction.
33:05
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33:09
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33:12
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33:19
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33:23
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Speaker 1: the country. Where have you been.
37:03
Speaker 5: Yes, thanks Brian, and hello Bin, and welcome to Yo.
37:06
Speaker 5: It's great to have you here. I just returned from
37:09
Speaker 5: a few different events on Sunday. I'd returned from a
37:12
Speaker 5: literary festival in Kezick, which is in the Lake District,
37:16
Speaker 5: at an event called Words by the Water, which is
37:18
Speaker 5: an annual literary festival held at a place called Theater
37:21
Speaker 5: by the Lakes. I have some silent videos and some
37:26
Speaker 5: photos that I took while I was there, just to
37:28
Speaker 5: kind of show you what it was like. I know
37:30
Speaker 5: the news is really heavy today, as it always is,
37:32
Speaker 5: but I thought maybe he's showing some slides of what
37:36
Speaker 5: it was like in the beautiful city of Kezick might
37:39
Speaker 5: help a bit. So these are just some First of all,
37:41
Speaker 5: some photos of me walking around the town. Just a
37:44
Speaker 5: lovely town center. It was a Sunday morning, on Saturday morning,
37:47
Speaker 5: so it was nice to get out. There's the cheese shop,
37:49
Speaker 5: which is important if you like cheese, as I do.
37:53
Speaker 5: This was from the book shop, seeing a bibliophobic persons.
37:56
Speaker 5: This was one of the bookstores in Kezick that sponsored
37:59
Speaker 5: the event. So I just kind of walked through past
38:01
Speaker 5: that in the city as well, some little shopping there
38:05
Speaker 5: that I happened to do on the side, a little
38:07
Speaker 5: some liceable things to look at. The beautiful mountains and
38:09
Speaker 5: the surroundings as well. Just a great place to be.
38:13
Speaker 5: This is leading up to the theater by the lake.
38:15
Speaker 5: I might walk from the town center where I stayed,
38:18
Speaker 5: and we also went to the castle Rigs Stone Circle,
38:20
Speaker 5: which is thought to have been constructed around three thousand BCS.
38:24
Speaker 5: So there's just a couple of photos I took from there.
38:27
Speaker 5: Here's also some photos that I've got from some videos
38:31
Speaker 5: I took from the issue of surrounding the festival. So
38:35
Speaker 5: there's a park around there sudden the lake. If we
38:37
Speaker 5: can start the next video, we can see what that
38:40
Speaker 5: looks like, and then I'll just start to talk about
38:42
Speaker 5: some of these sessions. Some of the were beautiful, beautiful
38:47
Speaker 5: words that I just heard and I'll cover some of
38:50
Speaker 5: the nice ones before I get into some of the
38:51
Speaker 5: more serious issues that were raised at the festival. Hillary
38:54
Speaker 5: Bratt from the Bratt Travel Guides was there. She did
38:57
Speaker 5: a session called Adventures and Travel and Publishing. If you
39:00
Speaker 5: are a reader of travel books as I am, she
39:03
Speaker 5: wrote one of the original series of guide books that
39:06
Speaker 5: is popular. She started that in the nineteen seventies. One
39:09
Speaker 5: of the interesting things that she said is that it's
39:11
Speaker 5: actually safer to travel to dangerous places as a woman
39:14
Speaker 5: compared to being a man, because women can play the
39:17
Speaker 5: vulnerability card if it's needed, if it really is dangerous.
39:20
Speaker 5: Another one that was really nice was Philip Marsden. He
39:23
Speaker 5: did a book called Under a Metal Sky and his
39:27
Speaker 5: session was called a Journey through Rocks, and he discussed
39:30
Speaker 5: from this description of the session, he discussed his revelatory
39:34
Speaker 5: journey from the ten Mines of Cornwall to the Gold
39:36
Speaker 5: Mountains of Georgia in search of the substances that has
39:39
Speaker 5: shaped our imagination and imperiled our very existence. So I
39:42
Speaker 5: just enjoyed the time thinking about the land and enjoyed
39:46
Speaker 5: his beautiful words when he was reading from his book.
39:49
Speaker 5: I also went to a murder mystery which was interactive,
39:52
Speaker 5: which I was not expecting to have to solve the mystery,
39:56
Speaker 5: but it was done by sort of a comedy acting
39:58
Speaker 5: team called Highly Suspect, and the basis of it was
40:02
Speaker 5: Chief Inspector Scott Lanyard. If you see what they did,
40:05
Speaker 5: there has been found shot, stabbed and strangled inside a
40:09
Speaker 5: locked room and we had to work in groups to
40:11
Speaker 5: kind of decide who we thought caused the two murders.
40:16
Speaker 5: And it was interesting because it sort of made me
40:17
Speaker 5: think about what a book is because we were sort
40:20
Speaker 5: of writing this book in real time and we were
40:22
Speaker 5: wondering do they change? Do they change? You done it
40:25
Speaker 5: as what it's played in different places around the country.
40:28
Speaker 5: It's interesting to note that I only went to one
40:30
Speaker 5: session that didn't mention Trump in some way, So it
40:33
Speaker 5: made me wonder was I really in England or was
40:35
Speaker 5: I in an American book festival. But it was interesting
40:38
Speaker 5: to see how some of these large issues, including Trump
40:41
Speaker 5: and many others that happening happening around the world, were
40:44
Speaker 5: embedded both in the books that I heard the authors
40:46
Speaker 5: talk about as well as the questions that people ask
40:50
Speaker 5: the authors. So now if I get into some of
40:52
Speaker 5: the more serious issues. Mike berners Lee was one of
40:55
Speaker 5: the talks that was there. He wrote a book called
40:59
Speaker 5: There Is No Planet and the Climate of Truth. His brother,
41:02
Speaker 5: if you are Internet familiar, as i am, Sir Tim
41:05
Speaker 5: berners Lee, is his brother who is known as so
41:07
Speaker 5: called the inventor of the World Wide Web. Basically he
41:10
Speaker 5: wrote the HTTP protocol that makes the Internet work. And
41:14
Speaker 5: his session description says, we have the technology we need
41:17
Speaker 5: for a clean and healthy future, so why are we
41:19
Speaker 5: still accelerating into a poly crisis of environmental and social strife?
41:23
Speaker 5: So we can see where he is on the climate
41:25
Speaker 5: change issue. One of the most remarkable things that he
41:28
Speaker 5: said was that the Guardian is the most reliable source
41:30
Speaker 5: of information that we can find when it comes to news.
41:34
Speaker 5: Going on from there, I heard George Mangiat, who is
41:37
Speaker 5: a climate activist and a journalist. He wrote a book
41:40
Speaker 5: called The Invisible Doctrine, and he can tell he's very
41:44
Speaker 5: left wing in his political views. He called Trump fascist
41:48
Speaker 5: and we can have discussions about what that actually means.
41:51
Speaker 5: He talks about the rise of the far right. There
41:53
Speaker 5: was a question from the audience about whether the far
41:56
Speaker 5: left or left labor government is really attacking the poor.
42:00
Speaker 5: You could start to feel that people are angry about
42:02
Speaker 5: what they got. But we have to ask why do
42:04
Speaker 5: people expect something different from labor after what we've seen
42:07
Speaker 5: from Tony Blair. One of the interesting things that happened
42:10
Speaker 5: at this session was just Stop Oil and extincte and
42:13
Speaker 5: rebellion activists were in the audience and they started asking
42:17
Speaker 5: questions more like statements, and they just kept talking and talking,
42:20
Speaker 5: and other people in the audience were heckling them to
42:22
Speaker 5: stop talking. We couldn't figureut what the question was, but
42:25
Speaker 5: they wouldn't stop. And if we can put the next
42:27
Speaker 5: slide on the screen, This was given to us when
42:30
Speaker 5: we were we went to have a drink in the
42:31
Speaker 5: cafe after the talk, and we can see and the
42:34
Speaker 5: slide it talks about just stop oil. One point five
42:38
Speaker 5: degrees celsius is dead, our leaders failed us, and so on.
42:41
Speaker 5: It kind of goes into this whole thing. It was
42:43
Speaker 5: QR code you can scan to learn about just stop oil,
42:47
Speaker 5: and that was all very interesting to see. Another book
42:51
Speaker 5: that I heard about was called Food Fight. This is
42:54
Speaker 5: the one that actually purchased, the only one to purchase
42:56
Speaker 5: because it had some really interesting things that were raised
42:58
Speaker 5: from it. And it's very confusing. It's got an endorsement
43:03
Speaker 5: by Professor Debbie Shreiedharer on the front cover, so soil
43:06
Speaker 5: reviewers will remember Professor shreiedhar from the COVID area and
43:09
Speaker 5: what she tried to do to people. I was first
43:12
Speaker 5: a little bit encouraged by what he said, but also
43:14
Speaker 5: confused because he was talking about the corporations involved in
43:17
Speaker 5: big food and the terrible effect that their ultra processed
43:20
Speaker 5: foods have on human health. He talked about their relationships
43:23
Speaker 5: to Black Rock and they're concerned about the environmental social
43:26
Speaker 5: governance scores. On page one forty seven he mentions multi
43:30
Speaker 5: stakeholderism as he called it. He said, it's the latest vogue,
43:33
Speaker 5: a form of public private partnership popularized by the World
43:36
Speaker 5: Economic Forum, in which the door is flung wide open
43:39
Speaker 5: for any organization to participate. The big tent sounds democratic,
43:42
Speaker 5: but it's really an illusion, a mirage. One more step
43:45
Speaker 5: towards the privatization of global governance. And he goes on
43:48
Speaker 5: and talks about the UN. But if you read the
43:50
Speaker 5: back cover of his book, he has actually been involved
43:53
Speaker 5: in UN agencies for several years. He's member the International
43:57
Speaker 5: Food Policy Research Institute. He believes the food system is
44:00
Speaker 5: driving the climate crisis. According to the book, and as
44:03
Speaker 5: we can see when we look at this website of
44:06
Speaker 5: this institute, they are very much active in you invents
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Speaker 5: such as just this month the sixty ninth Session of
44:12
Speaker 5: Commission on the Status of Women, and we see on
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Speaker 5: the website that this is involved in the sus Sittable
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Speaker 5: Development Goals. We see our familiar little SDG colorful wheel there.
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Speaker 5: He also has a book that's called Decolonize. Sorry chapter
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Speaker 5: called Decolonized within his book, which I will come back
44:30
Speaker 5: to deconization a bit later in the news, and you
44:33
Speaker 5: can see that he believes that nutrition is related to
44:35
Speaker 5: decolonization and social justice and so on. I have a
44:40
Speaker 5: little bit more to cover about declonization and I will
44:43
Speaker 5: come back to that later in the news. Brian, thank you.
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Speaker 1: There's two aspects to what you've just covered there, because
44:51
Speaker 1: you've taken us away, admittedly into a very beautiful part
44:55
Speaker 1: of the country, and that's just lovely to see. Not
44:58
Speaker 1: often we see scenes on mainstream media, but interesting that
45:04
Speaker 1: under the surface a lot of people working together, many
45:07
Speaker 1: of them from academic literary backgrounds, in order to challenge
45:11
Speaker 1: what's happening. So I was really fascinated by your report,
45:15
Speaker 1: and it's lovely to understand that, yes, there are people
45:19
Speaker 1: out there who are challenging what's going.
45:23
Speaker 2: On, but have also been co opted in some way.
45:27
Speaker 2: Because what you're talking about is people who are rightly
45:31
Speaker 2: concerned about things like the food system. They've actually identified
45:35
Speaker 2: some of the issues, people like black rock, for example,
45:37
Speaker 2: but then politically they're expecting the system to come in
45:41
Speaker 2: and fix things when you just fundamentally won't. They're right
45:44
Speaker 2: on about half of it, that' wrong on the rest,
45:47
Speaker 2: and you get people like George Mombiot, etc. Getting in
45:49
Speaker 2: there and confusing things. So yeah, interesting, very interesting report, Diane.
45:54
Speaker 2: Thank you. Right, I'm going to have a quick look.
45:56
Speaker 2: We just talked earlier about global capital and now it's
46:02
Speaker 2: influencing our political system and how that is going right
46:07
Speaker 2: the way down to where the shovels hit the ground
46:09
Speaker 2: at a local level. And I'm going to introduce you
46:12
Speaker 2: now to an organization called Key Cities, who are key
46:16
Speaker 2: protagonists in that part of the agenda. Let's hear about
46:20
Speaker 2: Key Cities.
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Speaker 6: Key Cities it's a really important and influential network for
46:32
Speaker 6: urban areas in the UK.
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Speaker 7: We came together ten years ago and I think we've
46:37
Speaker 7: gradually crept onto the government's gender.
46:41
Speaker 6: We've grown in scale and size, and we've got a
46:44
Speaker 6: really important lobbying role in terms of our relationship with government.
46:52
Speaker 8: We're collaborative. I mean, that's the main thing. I mean
46:54
Speaker 8: in local government anyway, in.
46:56
Speaker 6: Terms of the work that we do together to edge, you,
47:00
Speaker 6: cater and inform and share good practice across local government
47:03
Speaker 6: in the whole of the UK.
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Speaker 8: The twenty eight of us in the Gang, and you know,
47:08
Speaker 8: we've got common cause, common agendas, common problems, and obviously
47:14
Speaker 8: what's really exciting about local government is that we have
47:17
Speaker 8: individual solutions.
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Speaker 6: The network's got a really important role to play in
47:20
Speaker 6: the discussion on devolution, and what we can actually do
47:24
Speaker 6: is help inform government policy going forward.
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Speaker 8: We can be trusted to deliver, we can be trusted
47:35
Speaker 8: to innovate, we can be trusted to make a difference.
47:38
Speaker 7: Cree Cities has grown. Peter Box, my predecessor, did an
47:43
Speaker 7: awful lot of work in terms of bringing new councils
47:47
Speaker 7: into the area and I'd like to see that continue
47:51
Speaker 7: and develop as we go along, because there are a
47:56
Speaker 7: lot of urban areas who are not members yet of
47:59
Speaker 7: the the actual network, I'm sure would benefit from being
48:03
Speaker 7: part of it.
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Speaker 1: Incredible film clip, Ben, I did have the advantage of
48:10
Speaker 1: seeing that before the news, so just incredible to see
48:15
Speaker 1: those people, and you correct me here, Ben. My take
48:19
Speaker 1: on it is some of them are innocents, they are
48:22
Speaker 1: lambs to the slaughter, but others know exactly what they're doing.
48:27
Speaker 1: And I'm very interested to see Plymouth labor leader Tudor
48:31
Speaker 1: Evans speaking there because, of course many years ago, Common
48:35
Speaker 1: Purpose the political charity absolutely at work in Plymouth, essentially
48:42
Speaker 1: reframing people, and he uses the expression in this video
48:47
Speaker 1: common Cause. He also talks about a gang, a gang
48:51
Speaker 1: of people who are going to presumably tell people on
48:54
Speaker 1: the street what they should be doing. But these people
48:58
Speaker 1: have no idea that every time they're involved with some
49:02
Speaker 1: sort of training or collaborative scheme at government level, they
49:06
Speaker 1: are themselves coming under this supplied behavioral psychology. So I
49:12
Speaker 1: found that one of the most frightening video clips that
49:15
Speaker 1: I think we've shown on the news for some time,
49:18
Speaker 1: because those people, the bulk of them, had no idea
49:22
Speaker 1: what they're involved in and what the government is trying
49:25
Speaker 1: to get in as its wider political agenda exactly.
49:31
Speaker 2: And this is a crucial national network where to use
49:35
Speaker 2: the phrase again, the shovels meet the ground, right, you
49:38
Speaker 2: get local communities, local cities out in the counties implementing
49:43
Speaker 2: the innovation agenda ultimately.
49:45
Speaker 9: Right.
49:45
Speaker 2: So we can see here that there are twenty four
49:47
Speaker 2: cities in this network. They've been to have ten years.
49:52
Speaker 2: Not a new thing, right, but it's come to my
49:53
Speaker 2: attention recently, and you can see at the bottom there
49:57
Speaker 2: it's all about delivering innovative solutions for the challenges that
50:00
Speaker 2: we face. Innovation generally going to be around energy systems,
50:05
Speaker 2: food systems, implementing the kind of technologies that we've been
50:08
Speaker 2: talking about earlier from organizations like Systemic and Quadratra Capital.
50:13
Speaker 9: Right.
50:13
Speaker 2: So we've mentioned Tudor Evans, leader of Plymouth Council, clearly
50:18
Speaker 2: a central figure in this. They've actually just issued this
50:20
Speaker 2: report on the water Front well which talks about the
50:23
Speaker 2: importance of the port cities in transforming the UK. And
50:29
Speaker 2: you can see the lighthouse on the cover there, same
50:32
Speaker 2: as you can see over Brian's shoulder on today on
50:34
Speaker 2: the news.
50:35
Speaker 1: But we can see the ego is what we can
50:37
Speaker 1: see in that taking a selfie of himself in front
50:42
Speaker 1: of cities in Parliament. Ego power and ego demonstrated on
50:47
Speaker 1: the camera.
50:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, and net zero figures very high on their agenda
50:53
Speaker 2: obviously see local partnerships to drive net zero innovation. I
50:56
Speaker 2: don't know if these people have been on an apolitical
50:59
Speaker 2: reframing course, but there's certainly the target for it.
51:02
Speaker 9: Right.
51:03
Speaker 2: So this is where what a political are doing meets
51:07
Speaker 2: the local cities who's running it. I won't go into
51:10
Speaker 2: all the detail, but you can see one of them
51:12
Speaker 2: as an old face. There's that's Charles Clark, former Home
51:16
Speaker 2: Secretary under Blair, who actually tendered his resignation in two
51:20
Speaker 2: thousand and six after it emerged that one thousand foreign prisoners,
51:25
Speaker 2: including people who've been convicted for manslaughter and committing sex
51:28
Speaker 2: offenses against children, had been released without being considered for deportation,
51:33
Speaker 2: and Blair refused to accept his resignation. That's not a
51:36
Speaker 2: resigning issue, and he's now doing this. And then importantly
51:41
Speaker 2: Lord Raj Lumber cbe who is the chair as I understand,
51:47
Speaker 2: I actually know he's not. Chris White's the chair, but
51:48
Speaker 2: I think lumber has been at some point in the
51:50
Speaker 2: future and this guy is fascinating. This is a Blair
51:53
Speaker 2: era appointee to the Lord's made his money in the
51:56
Speaker 2: rag trade and importantly he's got something in running in
52:00
Speaker 2: the background called the Lumber Foundation. I mean, go to
52:03
Speaker 2: the Lumber Foundation. What do we see on the front page?
52:06
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Look it's Tony Blair hovering in the background,
52:10
Speaker 2: the hidden hand himself. And who else is on the
52:14
Speaker 2: board here as well? And we can't go into all
52:16
Speaker 2: the detail on this, but I think it's just to
52:18
Speaker 2: give you a little bit of a taster of who
52:21
Speaker 2: sits behind the transformation agenda running across the country. It's
52:24
Speaker 2: people like Blair, and it's also all of these people,
52:27
Speaker 2: so Shari Blair he's actually the president of this charity,
52:30
Speaker 2: but also David Cameron and Nick Clegg, so the condemn Coalition,
52:35
Speaker 2: Baron sj who is the daughter of James Callahan, former
52:39
Speaker 2: Leader of the House of Lords.
52:41
Speaker 3: Laura Bush, what's she doing here?
52:44
Speaker 6: You know?
52:45
Speaker 2: Paul Kagarney, who's the President of Rwanda. Big connections to Rwanda.
52:51
Speaker 2: I've got to understand that a bit better. He's basically
52:53
Speaker 2: a dictator, all right, yo. Co owner Richard Branson, he
52:56
Speaker 2: gets about Johanna Lumley and then Countess mount Batton, who
52:59
Speaker 2: is very close to the late Prince Philip. I think
53:03
Speaker 2: she's put it like that. Yeah, So you've got UK
53:08
Speaker 2: international political class, billionaires, members of the Royal family hovering
53:13
Speaker 2: around the common purpose linked networks seeking to radically reshape
53:19
Speaker 2: and transform British society, the.
53:20
Speaker 1: People really driving the political agenda. And just before we
53:24
Speaker 1: finish on this segment, I'll say that many years ago,
53:27
Speaker 1: when Prime Minister Tony Blair came to Plymouth in order
53:31
Speaker 1: to see the City council city development plans, the regeneration
53:36
Speaker 1: supposedly at the city, it was pointed out that people
53:39
Speaker 1: in various parts of the city were against the plans,
53:44
Speaker 1: and Tony Blair stated in the meeting that the council
53:49
Speaker 1: had been given special powers and they should use them
53:53
Speaker 1: and the inference, the strong inference, was to squash any
53:57
Speaker 1: dissent to the central government political policy coming in. A
54:02
Speaker 1: lot more to talk on this, Ben, but thank you
54:04
Speaker 1: very much for taking us through that.
54:07
Speaker 2: And one final key point on it though, which actually
54:10
Speaker 2: leads quite neatly into what Dan's going to cover next,
54:13
Speaker 2: which is that this is also very heavily linked into
54:16
Speaker 2: the university system. So all of these cities around the UK,
54:20
Speaker 2: you've got political leadership, but then also academic leadership as well,
54:25
Speaker 2: and as we know, the universities are in a real mess.
54:29
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you for that, Ben, Diane. Let's bring you
54:32
Speaker 1: back in to get deeper into the type of agendas
54:35
Speaker 1: that are being used against us. I'll say we've just
54:38
Speaker 1: stolen a little bit of your time in that segment,
54:41
Speaker 1: but carry on through yours because this is very important
54:44
Speaker 1: what you've got to cover.
54:47
Speaker 5: Okay, thanks Brian. Yeah, it was really interesting just to
54:50
Speaker 5: go back a little bit to the book Festival because
54:53
Speaker 5: this also led me to think about this work what
54:56
Speaker 5: I'm going to cover now. There are a couple of
54:58
Speaker 5: sessions that talked aboutization. One was by Lucy Mangan who
55:02
Speaker 5: was a Guardian TV critic, and her session was called
55:04
Speaker 5: how Reading Shapes are Lives and she talked about her
55:07
Speaker 5: book called Bookish, and about her books, of her love
55:10
Speaker 5: of books, love of libraries, and how when she first
55:13
Speaker 5: experienced university library she was really excited about the fact
55:16
Speaker 5: that it was all there. So I asked what ended
55:19
Speaker 5: up being the last question in the session and what
55:21
Speaker 5: did she think about decolonization and university libraries, and she
55:24
Speaker 5: didn't know what it was, so I said, it's actually
55:26
Speaker 5: the process of changing language and library catalogs to make
55:29
Speaker 5: it less offensive, the removal of items written by straight
55:34
Speaker 5: colonialist white men, for example, to make room for more
55:37
Speaker 5: diverse authors. And she admitted that she was in the minority,
55:40
Speaker 5: agreeing with me, saying that this wasn't a good thing,
55:42
Speaker 5: which may not be good for her relationship with The Guardian.
55:45
Speaker 5: But when she said that, it actually generated around of
55:47
Speaker 5: applause in the audience, which was really great to hear,
55:50
Speaker 5: and people sitting near me told me at the end
55:52
Speaker 5: that I was in the right side of history, after
55:53
Speaker 5: I explained that this was part of my cancelation for
55:56
Speaker 5: Macadamia librarianship because I posed it. There was another session
56:00
Speaker 5: by a man called Jack Ashby, who was the assistant
56:03
Speaker 5: director of the Museum of Zoology at Cambridge. According to
56:06
Speaker 5: his Blue Sky profile, his pronouns are he him, so
56:09
Speaker 5: that's important to note. He said that less than one
56:12
Speaker 5: percent of collections you're on display in the world's natural
56:14
Speaker 5: history museums, so it sounded interesting to see what else
56:18
Speaker 5: we could do to have more specimens, and so on
56:20
Speaker 5: to be shown in natural History. But actually the direction
56:23
Speaker 5: that it took was a little bit different, because he
56:25
Speaker 5: started to talk about how it's a problem that most
56:27
Speaker 5: of the specimens on display at natural history museums were males,
56:31
Speaker 5: and he suggested that maybe having more female specimens on
56:34
Speaker 5: display would help smash the patriarchy, which he actually said.
56:37
Speaker 5: On the slide. He talked about social justice issues and
56:40
Speaker 5: how we need to be more diverse and inclusive, and
56:42
Speaker 5: that we need less Darwin or white men and more
56:45
Speaker 5: of the people who did the work who might not
56:47
Speaker 5: be white men. So I asked him a question. I said, well,
56:50
Speaker 5: since you said in your talk that zero point four
56:52
Speaker 5: percent of the world species are mammals, why is it
56:54
Speaker 5: so important to worry about how humans are represented diversely
56:58
Speaker 5: in natural history museums. That humans would be even less
57:01
Speaker 5: than point four percent of of all the species in
57:03
Speaker 5: the world, and that maybe they should be more concerned,
57:05
Speaker 5: for example, but diversity of the insects species that were
57:08
Speaker 5: on display. And his response was that when people of
57:11
Speaker 5: different backgrounds come into natural history museums such as his
57:14
Speaker 5: at Cambridge, they don't feel represented or included. And so
57:17
Speaker 5: I went to that museum's website and it has for example,
57:20
Speaker 5: if you want to go there on the twenty second
57:22
Speaker 5: of March, they have a Pride in Nature LGBTQ Plus
57:26
Speaker 5: tour if you want to hear about LGBTQ plus communities
57:30
Speaker 5: within nature. So this made me think a lot more
57:33
Speaker 5: about all of the government waste that's going on in
57:36
Speaker 5: academic settings and so on. We have, for example, James Lindsay,
57:40
Speaker 5: who have been interviewed twice on UK column, and he
57:44
Speaker 5: wrote this paper as part of what was called a
57:46
Speaker 5: the Grievance Studies affair with other previous former academics, I
57:50
Speaker 5: guess you could say, by writing fabricated papers that were
57:54
Speaker 5: still accepted and published in academic journals. And here's one
57:57
Speaker 5: example of one of their fake papers that he was
57:59
Speaker 5: a co op around, called the conceptual Penis as a
58:02
Speaker 5: Social Construct. This was, as we know, a fake paper,
58:05
Speaker 5: as were many others that he wrote at the time.
58:07
Speaker 5: But there are some other ones here that I want
58:09
Speaker 5: to cover that are actually real and tie in with
58:11
Speaker 5: this agenda that was covered for example at this Natural
58:13
Speaker 5: History Museum and many more. I found this one on
58:16
Speaker 5: a substeck post by Stephen Hayward. The post on substecs
58:20
Speaker 5: says that the Trump crusade to punish universities hasn't gone
58:23
Speaker 5: far enough, and that's because he found this paper. The
58:26
Speaker 5: title is probably the most woke paper I've ever heard of,
58:30
Speaker 5: which is saying something. The title is Queer ca nine
58:34
Speaker 5: Becomings colon Lesbian Feminist cyborg politics and Interspecies Intimacies in
58:41
Speaker 5: Ecologies of Love and Violence, written by Chloe Diamond Lenow.
58:45
Speaker 5: It is in the Journal of Lesbian Studies and it
58:47
Speaker 5: was just published online on the eighth of March. I
58:50
Speaker 5: won't read you the entire abstract. You can go look
58:52
Speaker 5: it up if you want to, but it starts out
58:54
Speaker 5: by saying, this article offers a queer lesbian feminist analysis
59:00
Speaker 5: tuned to lesbian, queer trans Canine relationalities. Specifically, the article
59:06
Speaker 5: places queer and lesbian eco feminism in conversation, et cetera,
59:11
Speaker 5: et cetera. I'll spare you the rest of it. So
59:15
Speaker 5: going into America. So that was also an American author.
59:18
Speaker 5: But one of the things that Muskin Trump has been doing,
59:20
Speaker 5: as you know through the DOGE government efficiency issues and
59:24
Speaker 5: so on. One of the things that they have done
59:27
Speaker 5: recently is limited the federal spending of government credit cards
59:31
Speaker 5: to a one dollar credit limit for thirty days. So
59:34
Speaker 5: thank you to the viewer who sent this to us
59:36
Speaker 5: a few days ago. So I looked at a particular example.
59:40
Speaker 5: One of the things that's been circulating around social media
59:42
Speaker 5: is that one of these has was a six hundred
59:45
Speaker 5: thousand dollars brant which was given to a university to
59:50
Speaker 5: study what they call studying menstruation issues, including in transmit.
59:56
Speaker 5: So I wanted to look at the original brant to
59:58
Speaker 5: see if that was really what they were doing, And
1:00:01
Speaker 5: it looks like what they're doing is actually looking at
1:00:03
Speaker 5: the products they're involved in findin hygiene of things that
1:00:06
Speaker 5: women use during their periods. Yes, women and girls. Women
1:00:10
Speaker 5: and girls again, but it did say in the abstract
1:00:13
Speaker 5: for the grant. It is also important to recognize that
1:00:16
Speaker 5: transgender men and people with masculine gender identities, intersects and
1:00:20
Speaker 5: non binary persons may also menstruate, so not only transmit,
1:00:24
Speaker 5: but anyone whominstrates. Back in the UK, this was reported
1:00:29
Speaker 5: last week by the Telegraph that Shakespeare's birthplace is going
1:00:32
Speaker 5: to be decolonized. So we have to, I guess, destroy
1:00:35
Speaker 5: the history of one of the greatest authors that have
1:00:38
Speaker 5: ever existed in our country. So I traced this back
1:00:41
Speaker 5: to a twenty twenty two academic blog post from the
1:00:43
Speaker 5: National Center for Academic and Cultural Exchange. There was a
1:00:46
Speaker 5: PhD project called Decolonizing the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust Collections as
1:00:51
Speaker 5: an inside Outsider a perspective on collaborative research by someone
1:00:55
Speaker 5: called Helen Hopkins at Birmingham City University. This was funded
1:00:59
Speaker 5: by the UK government as part of a larger doctoral
1:01:01
Speaker 5: training program which is meant to do three principal things.
1:01:05
Speaker 5: To recognize the Royal Shakespeare has been forced to play
1:01:08
Speaker 5: in establishing and upholding imperialistic narratives of cultural supremacy, to
1:01:12
Speaker 5: purge the Shakespeare Birthplace Trust interpretative policies and brand narratives
1:01:17
Speaker 5: of anglocentric and colonious thought. And to institute new communicative
1:01:21
Speaker 5: strategies to address societal iniquities that are embedded in imperialism
1:01:25
Speaker 5: and associated with Shakespeare's global cultural status. Another grant that
1:01:29
Speaker 5: I found that is funded by the UK government is
1:01:31
Speaker 5: also from Birmingham City University. There's an entire database you
1:01:35
Speaker 5: can search yourself. This one that I found is called
1:01:37
Speaker 5: the Europe that Gay Porn Built. This is eight hundred
1:01:41
Speaker 5: and forty one thousand, eight hundred and thirty pounds running
1:01:44
Speaker 5: from November twenty twenty three to October twenty twenty seven,
1:01:47
Speaker 5: asking the question, the very important question, how did the
1:01:50
Speaker 5: growing transnational circulation of gay mail, erotica and poor magazines
1:01:55
Speaker 5: and post war Europe contribute to the development of a
1:01:57
Speaker 5: shared identity and a sense of belonging among European gay men.
1:02:01
Speaker 5: And one that's worth even more money is over one
1:02:04
Speaker 5: million pounds one million, two hundred fifty four thousand, eight
1:02:07
Speaker 5: h thirteen pounds, running from September of twenty twenty four
1:02:10
Speaker 5: to September to twenty twenty seven. This one is called
1:02:13
Speaker 5: Inclusive History. According to a press release on the Royal
1:02:16
Speaker 5: Holloway University of London's website, this money will enable university
1:02:20
Speaker 5: to embed five post docs with its partners over two
1:02:23
Speaker 5: years to research case studies that center around the voice,
1:02:26
Speaker 5: agency and contribution of traditionally marginalized groups to the struggle
1:02:30
Speaker 5: for rights and representation. So I have a quick video
1:02:33
Speaker 5: here from a lecturer at Royal Holloway talking about equality,
1:02:37
Speaker 5: diversity and inclusivity. Let's see what she had to say.
1:02:42
Speaker 9: Oh, my name is doctor shimim Ma Atta and I'm
1:02:44
Speaker 9: elector in the Department of History here at Rydan Holloway.
1:02:46
Speaker 9: So in addition to a teaching here at Royal Holloway,
1:02:49
Speaker 9: I'm also the EDI need for the department which stands
1:02:52
Speaker 9: for equality, diversity and inclusivity. Now why is EDI important? Boy?
1:02:56
Speaker 9: Does it matter for history and extorians and US students.
1:02:59
Speaker 9: While you may not know this, but the Royal Historical
1:03:01
Speaker 9: Society they publish a report in twenty eighteen called the
1:03:05
Speaker 9: Race Report, and there's a survey of undergraduate history in
1:03:09
Speaker 9: the UK and they found that ninety four percent of
1:03:12
Speaker 9: all staff at university at teaching history worldwide and office
1:03:17
Speaker 9: six percent, only zero point five percent were black. And
1:03:20
Speaker 9: when it came to students again, they found that whilst
1:03:23
Speaker 9: a quarter of UK's population study at undergraduate level degrees
1:03:30
Speaker 9: across the UK, only a small proportion of them doing
1:03:33
Speaker 9: history and then an even a smaller proportion of them
1:03:35
Speaker 9: are b andMe. So some of the questions that you
1:03:37
Speaker 9: kind of might find yourself asking when you come to
1:03:39
Speaker 9: do a course at Royal Holloway is why is my
1:03:41
Speaker 9: campus so white? Why is my curriculum so white? And
1:03:44
Speaker 9: as the EDI lead for the department. These are some
1:03:46
Speaker 9: of the things that we can talk through. We have
1:03:48
Speaker 9: schemes such as a B and ME mentorship scheme. We
1:03:51
Speaker 9: have a seminar series that highlights kind of people of
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Speaker 9: color doing history. We have all sorts of initiatives for
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Speaker 9: you to get involved with if you are into it
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Speaker 9: at all. In these kind of conversations about race, epicity
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Speaker 9: and equalities, so.
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Speaker 5: It would appear as though history needs to be more inclusive,
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Speaker 5: to include more people that are not largely representative of
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Speaker 5: the majority of the population of the UK, which is
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Speaker 5: where this university is located. And also she was wrong
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Speaker 5: she said equality, but of course that should be equity,
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Speaker 5: which we know at the UK. Column are two very
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Speaker 5: different things, and inclusivity versus inclusions. So again she can't
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Speaker 5: even use the right terminology, and she didn't seem terribly
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Speaker 5: sure about she was telling us anyway, even though she's
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Speaker 5: apparently the lead for her area. Just as an end, finally,
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Speaker 5: on the segments, I have one that was This is
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Speaker 5: from Sweden from a couple of years ago, but I
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Speaker 5: just thought this one was really interesting as well. The
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Speaker 5: title is Who's Afraid of the Vulnerable Terrorist? Framing violent
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Speaker 5: gie Hottest life and intimate relationships. This article looks at
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Speaker 5: a sample of academic articles in the field of terrorism
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Speaker 5: studies and international relations to explore the ways in which marriage,
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Speaker 5: sexual activity, and close relationships in geehrdest groups are framed, imagined,
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Speaker 5: and investigated using the learnings of queer scholarship. So there's
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Speaker 5: your end too. The segment, I just wanted to kind
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Speaker 5: of start to show some of the ridiculous things that
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Speaker 5: are being funded in our universities and I think the
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Speaker 5: British taxpayers need to know exactly where their money is going.
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Speaker 1: Brian, Diane, thank you very much for that segment. Immensely
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Speaker 1: important because this is the agenda that is going to
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Speaker 1: finally destroy this country unless we stop it with spades
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Speaker 1: at ground level. And a lot of people, I think
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Speaker 1: see it and just think it's silly nonsense. But this
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Speaker 1: is the stuff that destroys minds and particularly the minds
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Speaker 1: of our children. Let's leave it there. I'm going to say,
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Speaker 1: Diane Jobst and Ben thank you very much for joining
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Speaker 1: me today. For people who are full time supports of
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Speaker 1: UK Column, there will be UK Column Extra in a
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Speaker 1: few moments and will be discussing more in more detail.
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Speaker 1: The main points that we've covered in the news today.
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Speaker 1: But thank you, wherever you are in the world for
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Speaker 1: joining us, and thank you so much to everybody who
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Speaker 1: Bye bye.