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Cheryl Hines on Hollywood Backlash, RFK, Curb and Comedy · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Reward the easy way.
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  Speaker 2: Optionscard.ie. Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're
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  Speaker 3: Juicy Scoop is the show to know.
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  Speaker 4: She talks Hollywood tales for real life.
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  Speaker 1: Listen in, listen up.
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  Speaker 3: Woo, woo.
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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 2: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. Well, I am very
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  Speaker 1: excited for our guest because she is a star, an author,
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  Speaker 1: a sister, a daughter, a mother, and a wife. And
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  Speaker 1: she is my friend. We met in 1996 at the Groundlings.
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  Speaker 1: Please welcome Cheryl Hines.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Heather.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, hello. I have the book.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Looking gorgeous, unscripted. Everybody needs to go right now and
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  Speaker 1: pre-order it because, you guys, it's juicy. It's good. I
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  Speaker 1: unfortunately have only got to page 200 because I just
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  Speaker 1: got it a couple days ago. But, my God, it's great.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. It's really a good, fun, interesting, juicy read.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, I wanted it to be like I'm
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  Speaker 2: just telling a friend.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: This is what's happened. It's crazy. And it is so crazy.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, for people that don't really know your life.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, you know, you came from just a really close-knit family,
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  Speaker 1: middle class.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: From what part of Florida? Tallahassee, Orlando.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then you eventually went to college and made your
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  Speaker 1: way to L.A. Yeah. We met. At the Groundlings. And
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to remember. I think I was in
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  Speaker 1: the Sunday show already for like six months. And then
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  Speaker 1: I think you were in it.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's right.
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  Speaker 1: And we were in it for about a year together.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then I did not go on past 18 months.
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  Speaker 1: But you became a regular member, right?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Good for you. Well, look at where we are now.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So.
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  Speaker 1: But we wrote a lot together. No, we did.
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  Speaker 2: You used to make me laugh. Yeah, because you were
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  Speaker 2: already in and you knew the ropes. And then. We
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  Speaker 2: would say, you know, you want to write together and
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  Speaker 2: you would say, I need you to show up with
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  Speaker 2: three good ideas.
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  Speaker 1: Did I really say that?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, Jesus.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm doing my best.
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  Speaker 1: You know what? That's so funny. Like how different.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: This is going to be a fun episode because there's
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  Speaker 1: probably going to be a lot of different memories that
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  Speaker 1: maybe match up and maybe don't. Because for me, I
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  Speaker 1: love funny people, but I am a shallow bitch and
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  Speaker 1: I like a pretty friend. And I saw you walk in,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm like, now that's a girl I could hang
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  Speaker 1: outside of this dorky theater with. Like, I'm like, this
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  Speaker 1: girl can go to some fun spots with me. And
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  Speaker 1: we did. She is pretty enough to hang. Oh, my gosh,
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  Speaker 1: we did. We did.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh. Now that you're saying this, memories are
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  Speaker 2: coming back.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead. So I was like, do you want
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  Speaker 1: to go to the Sky Bar with me? What is
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  Speaker 1: that hotel now? Is that the Mondrian still?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But Cindy Crawford's husband, before they were married, Gerber, he
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  Speaker 1: owned it. And it was just a hotspot because you
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  Speaker 1: were outside and it was on sunset.
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  Speaker 2: It was beautiful and overlooks the city. And it was
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  Speaker 2: really the place.
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  Speaker 1: And it was very hard to get in, but I
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  Speaker 1: had figured out a way to get in, to which
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  Speaker 1: I would call this number with an English accent. And
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  Speaker 1: I'd say, hello, I'm calling. I've got a few girls
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  Speaker 1: coming in from New York from the Ford Modeling Agency
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  Speaker 1: that would like to enjoy the Sky Bar. Can I
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  Speaker 1: put their names down? And then I'd put our real
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  Speaker 1: names down because you have to show IDs, whatever. And
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  Speaker 1: so I picked you up and you were living with,
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  Speaker 1: you talk about your fun foursome of friends.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Your two gay best friends, Paul and Eric. Eddie. Eddie, sorry, sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Paul and Eddie and then also your two roommates that
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  Speaker 1: you got a couple years into struggling in LA.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you come out and you go, can I I
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  Speaker 1: think you said, can I bring them both or something?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, no, because I did this weird
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  Speaker 1: fake thing and I only have the certain names or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: And I am telling you throughout the last, so that
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  Speaker 1: would have been 1996. So almost 30 years. It's haunted
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  Speaker 1: me that that was so mean. Because I remember you
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  Speaker 1: ran out and you're like, oh God, really? And I
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  Speaker 1: was like, Yeah. And I was always like, God, she
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  Speaker 1: was so nice. I wonder if she ever just like
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  Speaker 1: thought that that was super bitchy of me.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I don't remember that at all.
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  Speaker 1: Good. See, that's what I'm saying. That's so many times
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  Speaker 1: people like as you get older, you know, and it's why,
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  Speaker 1: you know. You've got to give some people some grace. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because you're like, no, I was not even thinking of that.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm good. I'm glad.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because then I saw one of the girls when you
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  Speaker 1: came to Chelsea and she's still working with you. Maria.
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  Speaker 1: And she was such a delight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: She could have come to the Sky Bar. It wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have mattered. Well, you know, she probably.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, though, because at that time you really did.
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  Speaker 2: Your name had to be on the list.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And they were not letting people in. Yeah. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know how the whole system worked. And you
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  Speaker 2: were like, no. You got to do this. And I said, okay.
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  Speaker 2: But they were fine with it, too. They were like, oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And then do you remember we met some two guys
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  Speaker 1: and ended up back in their hotel room?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But we did escape with clothes on. Nothing too much happened.
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  Speaker 1: What was it? Some guy, you were like, I have
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  Speaker 1: to get out of here. Was it a guy sucking
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  Speaker 1: your toe or something?
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  Speaker 2: I think he did want, he did want, yeah, he
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  Speaker 2: was doing something odd. And I was like, this is,
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  Speaker 2: this can't be a good Saturday night.
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  Speaker 1: I need to go home.
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  Speaker 2: But we got there together. So I remember one time
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  Speaker 2: when we were at the Sky Bar and these guys
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  Speaker 2: ordered a bottle of Dom Perignon.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. And I was chewing gum. And you put
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  Speaker 2: your hand out and you were like, spit out your gum.
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  Speaker 2: You are not chewing that and drinking the champagne at
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  Speaker 2: the same time. And I was like, okay.
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  Speaker 1: See, like that type of stuff, I don't remember. But
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  Speaker 1: I remember us doing some funny, really funny sketches. And
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  Speaker 1: you sent me one of, like, remember this on a DM.
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  Speaker 1: And it was, we decided, we did a sketch that
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  Speaker 1: our job was to test deodorant. We had to smell
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  Speaker 1: people's armpits. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then, yeah, just, I mean, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how long ago, pretty recently, I came across an article
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  Speaker 2: where there were women, you know, smelling people's armpits. And
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  Speaker 2: I sent it to you. I was like, Heather, this
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  Speaker 2: was us. And then we had the guys... You know,
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  Speaker 2: when we did the sketch, they were so sweaty in, like,
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  Speaker 2: tank tops. And we would go, oh, actually, I'm smelling
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  Speaker 2: some aluminum.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit of lavender.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we were very serious about it. It just
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  Speaker 2: really made me laugh.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. So, I mean, what's great is you
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  Speaker 1: share those struggling times. And one of the articles in
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  Speaker 1: your book is that you dated a non-theater entertainment person
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  Speaker 1: for quite a while.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The investment banker while you were the struggling bartender.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I find that story to be so interesting because there's
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  Speaker 1: that moment where you're kind of like, oh, what if
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  Speaker 1: he hadn't cheated?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And what if I had married him?
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 1: Would I have been satisfied just being a wife and
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  Speaker 1: mother and living in the suburbs and doing the country
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  Speaker 1: club life?
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like, that's so interesting because I've thought about similar things
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  Speaker 1: like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I know. I think about that because I
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  Speaker 2: was so in love with him at the time. And he,
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  Speaker 2: you know, was... I want to say normal. But, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you're in this industry, everybody is a little crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And if they're not, then they're not going to make
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  Speaker 2: it because it's a crazy industry.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So but he would he would always, like I said
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  Speaker 2: in the book, we would drive by Starbucks and it
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  Speaker 2: would drive him crazy that people are just sitting out
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  Speaker 2: there drinking coffee at two in the afternoon. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: does anybody in this town have a job? They are
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  Speaker 2: trying to get one, but they're just having a latte
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  Speaker 2: while they're figuring it out.
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  Speaker 1: But he used to drive him crazy. I used to
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  Speaker 1: love to go there. And when you'd have the scripts,
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  Speaker 1: paper script that someone would send, you know, the agents
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  Speaker 1: would actually have a runner drop it off at your apartment.
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  Speaker 1: And then I could go to Starbucks on Montana in
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  Speaker 1: Santa Monica and look like I had some major shit
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  Speaker 1: going on.
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  Speaker 2: You'd open your scripts.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Highlight. Those were the days.
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  Speaker 2: Simpler times.
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  Speaker 1: But with that guy, I was like, wait a minute.
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  Speaker 1: As we were getting to the book, I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like you might have left out a juicier part.
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  Speaker 1: Or is that a different point? Was there a story
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  Speaker 1: where you found a used condom?
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  Speaker 2: That's him.
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  Speaker 1: It was.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't put that part in my book because I thought,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if people want to hear about a
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  Speaker 2: used condom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we do. Because I want to say, didn't you
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  Speaker 1: do something kind of like badass about it?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I, you know, I had a key to his apartment.
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  Speaker 2: He had a key to my apartment. I was going
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  Speaker 2: to go see him. We decided we should take one
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  Speaker 2: night off because we were together too much. So you
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  Speaker 2: go out with your friends, I'll go out with my friends.
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  Speaker 2: And then when I went over to his apartment the
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  Speaker 2: next Sunday he wasn't there but as soon as I
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  Speaker 2: walked in I I was like whoa something feels weird
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  Speaker 2: here something weird has happened here and I called one
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  Speaker 2: of my friends and I said I think uh Charlie
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  Speaker 2: um cheated and And she said, why would you even
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  Speaker 2: think that? I go, I don't even know. I just
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  Speaker 2: feel it. I feel it in this apartment. And she said, well,
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  Speaker 2: when he comes back, just say, is there anything you
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  Speaker 2: want to tell me? And I said, okay, that's good.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. And then I took a shower. And then
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  Speaker 2: when I turned my hair over to put a towel
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  Speaker 2: on my wet hair, I could see in his trash
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  Speaker 2: can a used condom. And I called her and I said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I know he cheated. I was really devastated. But I
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  Speaker 2: packed all of my stuff. I put it in my
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  Speaker 2: car and just waited. And, you know, he's a golfer.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember he had like a, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: three iron or something by his fireplace. And he had
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  Speaker 2: this huge window that overlooked the beach. And I just
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  Speaker 2: sat there.
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  Speaker 1: That's a sad place to leave when you get into
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  Speaker 1: a little crappy car with– Were you in the growlings
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  Speaker 1: at that point? Did you have wigs in the backyard?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: The thing about the growlings is it's a lot of wigs.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of wigs. A lot of wigs. There's always
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  Speaker 1: like five wigs and like a G-string in my back,
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  Speaker 1: like in a weird outfit. Wig caps. Yeah, your car
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  Speaker 1: was like a giant dirty purse.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, it was a red Toyota Tercel, but I had
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  Speaker 2: no air conditioning.
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  Speaker 1: I had a red Celica. Okay, continue.
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  Speaker 2: But I kept looking at that window and I was like.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I was one of those people that would just...
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  Speaker 2: I really wanted to smash his friggin' picture window. But then,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I kept.
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  Speaker 1: I know that you didn't. I know, because... Because that
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  Speaker 1: would have made the news during the... During now?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: What a crazy bitch you are. I know.
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  Speaker 2: But it was like, oh, I see how people... I
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  Speaker 2: see how, like, somebody could just be so hopped up
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  Speaker 2: on adrenaline to do something like that. But then I thought... Well,
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  Speaker 2: then he'll have a shattered window. And then how is
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  Speaker 2: he going to fix it? And that's a lot of money. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's what I'm thinking about while I'm waiting
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  Speaker 2: for him to come back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And then, you know, and then I said, do you
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  Speaker 2: want to tell me anything about last night? He's like, no.
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  Speaker 2: I said, oh, really? Did nothing interesting happen?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 4: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm pretty sure you had sex with someone else.
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  Speaker 2: He was like, no, I didn't. I said, well, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to stop talking to you if you're not going
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  Speaker 2: to be truthful because there's no point in this conversation.
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  Speaker 2: I will just leave. And, you know, at that point, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, the cabinets were open and the drawers were
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  Speaker 2: open because I was so mad when I packed all
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  Speaker 2: my stuff. And he's looking around like, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what's going on. I know.
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  Speaker 1: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: It's your period. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's your period. This must be you. How long you'd
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  Speaker 1: been dating him at this point?
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  Speaker 2: Two years.
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  Speaker 1: That's very significant.
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  Speaker 2: He had moved from New York.
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  Speaker 1: To be.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: To be together. That's very significant.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you're at the age where marriage is probably pending.
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  Speaker 1: I was 29. Yeah. And I said.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, well, okay, well, let's just cut to
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  Speaker 2: the chase. You clearly had sex with someone last night.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, why would you say that? Because of the
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  Speaker 2: used condom that I can see in your trash. And
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  Speaker 2: he was like, that's my roommate's. I was like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So your roommate had sex with somebody, then walked into
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  Speaker 2: your bathroom that you have to go through your bedroom
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  Speaker 2: to get to your bathroom to take off his condom.
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  Speaker 2: Something is not tracking. And that I, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: guess he did finally admit it. And I just left.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, I never want to see you again.
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  Speaker 2: That I talk about in the book that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hard, really hard.
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  Speaker 2: It was so hard. It was sad. That I talk about,
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  Speaker 2: I was working at that hotel. And one of the
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  Speaker 2: security guards. It was this giant 300-pound guy who was
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  Speaker 2: very sweet to me. And he, you know, he's walking
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  Speaker 2: me to my car and he said, you know, what's
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  Speaker 2: going on? You seem so sad. And I said, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I broke up with my boyfriend. He asked me what
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  Speaker 2: happened and I told him and he said, I could
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  Speaker 2: take him out. I was like, what do you mean
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  Speaker 2: take him out? He said, yeah, I know a guy
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  Speaker 2: that could take him out. And he was dead serious.
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  Speaker 2: 100% dead serious. And I said, oh.
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  Speaker 1: Your life really could have gone so many different ways.
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  Speaker 2: I said.
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  Speaker 1: That's what's fun about the book. Like literally, if you
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  Speaker 1: would have been like, you know what? Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Fuck him. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Now I'm like, Cheryl, it's me, Heather. Tap on the phone.
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  Speaker 1: This is where we're doing the interviews now. There's a glass.
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  Speaker 2: We're putting our hands up to touch each other.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're still doing, you know, your 30 years.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And then I said, no, I definitely do not
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  Speaker 2: want you to do that. But thank you. And he said, okay,
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  Speaker 2: where does he work? And tell me his full name.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, why? He said, because I'll just wait
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  Speaker 2: for him in the parking lot and take out his
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  Speaker 2: knee with a crowbar. I was like, my God, that
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: is so nice of you. But I'm going to say no.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: I will never tell you his name or where he works.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. The other fun, there's so many fun stories,
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: but the other things of things that I didn't know
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: was the $ 2, 000 pyramid scheme.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Do you remember that time in L.A.? Yes, I do,
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: because actually my husband, when we watched a documentary in
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: the last few years that was about the beach thing
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: where this woman was murdered, they didn't know if it
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: was her estranged husband or if it was someone pissed
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: about that pyramid thing.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: The pyramid scheme.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: It was a pyramid scheme where, in a nutshell, you
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: put in $ 2, 000 and then you get other people to
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: and other people to... And then eventually you can walk
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: away with like $ 60, 000. But just like any pyramid scheme,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: whether you're selling clothing or whatever, when everybody in the
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: neighborhood has done it, there's no fresh meat. And then
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: the people at the bottom are just out two grand.
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: And they don't have new people, but they don't have
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: wealthy enough people to tap into. They don't have the
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: relatives and all that stuff. So, I mean, yeah. And
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: so your friends did well with it. Yes.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: They went through a few times, Paul and Eddie. And
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: I was so, this was after, you know, cheating Charlie.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: And I was so down, so down. I was just like,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: I had no joy in my life. I was at
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: my sister, Becky, who was still, you know, is in Florida.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: She was talking to me. And the only time I
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: would sort of come alive is when I would talk
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: about the pyramid scheme. Because I was watching them and
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: it was so exciting. I mean, people would dress up.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: They go to— Yeah, the dinner, like a house dinner party, right?
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a warehouse.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: It was a warehouse.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think there were different versions of it, right? Right.
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Depending on your pyramid.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: If you had a classy one or not.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: And— I think Peter, my husband, was approached at Q's.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Remember Q's, the pool hall on Wilshire? Did he do it?
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: If he did, it was one of those things where
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: it was very little money, and he realized, like, this
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: is wrong and this is a scheme. But he knew—
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: like a couple guys that it was getting scary. Like
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: they're scamming with, and he was just like, I don't
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: want to be part of this.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: But this was before I knew him.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean, you figure anything that's called a
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: pyramid scheme.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: They weren't even trying to call it something else.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I don't remember any other name for it.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like, you know, the group or something.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so I, So my sister, who had no money,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: she had no money. To this day, I don't know
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: how she got $ 2, 000 in cash. But she did. And
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: she sent it to me. And I was so excited.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Dressed up. Paul and Eddie took me to the party. And,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: you know, it was, it was, you would tap somebody
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: on the shoulder. And then you go into a little
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: private part of the room and you give them the $ 200, 000 cash.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, $ 200, 000. $ 2, 000. And and then that would get
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: you started on your pyramid scheme. But then mine stalled
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: because I was not good at it. I'm not, you know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: people be like, well, should I borrow money from my mom?
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And I'd say, no, Jesus, no.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: But that's what you're supposed to do if you want
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: to be successful at this. Right, that's what you're supposed
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: to do. You have to just like a sign tells
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: you whatever, max out every credit card, do whatever it
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: takes because in the end it's all going to work out.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I didn't have a good hustle.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I was just like, no, it's not going to end well.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: You definitely shouldn't do this.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: And even Paul and Eddie said, yeah, we're not going
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: to join your pyramid. You're terrible at this.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: We've got our own thing going. Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: So then that was before the Groundlings. Before you got
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: to the performing part of the Groundlings. And then I
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: remember when, you know, this is, we were friends before
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: there was Instagram and Facebook and all that stuff. So
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: we were like on the phone talking friends.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And it would be so stressful when you'd find out
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: how many scenes you were going to be in on Sunday.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: And then we'd all like bitch and complain about it
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and talk about like, why did that one get in?
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: And who's da-da-da-da-da. And one of the things was, and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: you've talked about it in the book, that really it
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: was such a great showcase. And, you know, back in
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: those days, days, people, we didn't, we couldn't just do
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: really great TikToks or send a video of us doing
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: standup to an agent.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Like they had to be there. They had to be there.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: They had to see you in person.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: They had to come on, you know, a Sunday at
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: five o'clock. And so there'd be times where they'd be like,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, you know. I've got an agent coming
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: and you were like, babe, can I get one more bit?
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: You know, cause it'd be like 18 scenes.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: And then other people would be like, well, I want
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to shine. And maybe that agent would pick me. And
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: that did happen to me, but it was in standup.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: In standup, I paid $ 64 for every, all these agents
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: to come. It was like the final thing, if they
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: were going to sign me or not. And right before
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: I went on was this, really funny guy. He was
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: a friend of mine and he did well. And so
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: right after he went on, they called him over to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: sit at the booth and talk to him the whole
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: time while I was on stage. And then they signed him.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: That's so awful.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: There were just so many stories like that, but you
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: had a successful story because you were on stage doing
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: a really funny bit that you also wrote.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: And the casting person saw you that was looking to
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: cast the wife of Larry David.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And that was amazing. And that was just, what people
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: don't know, that was just like a one hour like
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: special to kind of.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: Right. Curb Your Enthusiasm started out, yeah, as a one
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: hour special, like a standup doing a one hour special
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: of standup.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Now I remember that was so funny where he says
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: he's going to do it. And then the whole thing
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: was at the end, he's like, what the fuck am
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I doing?
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I don't have an act.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing this. It was so, to me as
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: a standup, I thought it was the most brilliant, funny thing.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: And then to see you in it, And I remember
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I called you. Like, I remember where I was when
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I called you, and I was like, oh, my God, congratulations.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: You were so great in that. And I remember you
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: were like, and I go, and this is tacky. I
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: don't know if I asked you or if you told me,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: but you told me what you got paid.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got nothing. I don't even remember what I got.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: You do? Can I just say it?
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: I don't see why not. $ 7, 000.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That sounds right.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Because I remember I go, oh, that's how much they're
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: getting at SNL per week. Really? Oh, I didn't know that.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I knew how much they were.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Getting first year was $ 7, 000 a week. I like remember
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: weird stuff. So anyway, and then I think you told
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: me then, but here's the secret, Heather, they're going to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: make it a series.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: That's so exciting.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because when I did that, when I was special,
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: I asked my agent, I said, is it possible that
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: this would turn into a show? And he's like, no.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: I said, okay, that's fair. And then when I was
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: at the Groundlings, somebody, and I don't remember who, You know,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: a writer or a producer or somebody came up and said, oh, yeah,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: I hear they're going to make it into a series.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: I said, oh, that's great. I haven't heard that. Nobody's
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: told me. So I'm just waiting, waiting, you know, for
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: the call.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Always waiting for the call.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: And so he calls you and he says, OK, it's
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: going to be made into a series. And obviously you're thrilled.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: That is all of our dreams. It's your dream. All
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: of our dreams was to get a television series.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: That you had a place to go.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: That you had a regular paycheck.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: And that you could do your thing.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: That's all we ever wanted in that 99 person. That's
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: the dream.
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: That is the dream.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Only 99 people could even sit in that place. And
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: there was 18 of us in Sunday Show. We couldn't
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: sell it out.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: It's like your friends were like, I saw it last
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: week and the week before. Can I have a break?
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: No.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: But I would go to the show. I went to
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: the Sky Bar one night, I don't know if you're
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: with me or not, and I met Vince Vaughn.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: I remember.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: And he did come.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And I couldn't believe he was there. I was like, yeah, come.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: And he was like really interested in it because he
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: was obviously into comedy. And then all of a sudden
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: we're in between scenes and I'm backstage and one of
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: the main company members comes in the back where our
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: green room is or whatever, our dressing room. And he's like, oh,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: that guy from Swingers is upstairs.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I'm like.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, you didn't know he was going to be there?
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: I just... Yeah, I didn't know that he would come.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Put it out there.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: I called... I mean, I gave him... I said I'm
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: going to be there, whatever, tomorrow night.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: And.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: And then we went on a few dates and made
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: out with them and stuff.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I remember that from your book. I remember that from
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: reading my book. I loved your book.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I love reading all of my friends' books. I can't
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: imagine a friend, even if you're not close, writing a
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: book and you don't bother to read it. How are
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: you not so fucking curious? Oh, my God.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Heather, when you wrote about the marching band... The marching
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: band uniform in the closet and you... freaked out because
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: you were like, you were in the marching band.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: A guy I was dating, yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: That made me laugh so hard. I was like, only
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Heather is mad that he was in the marching band
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: because it's not cool.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And he didn't tell you.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Like, you didn't even have a chance to reject him
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: On that alone.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: You were in too deep by the time you learned it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: It was like, ah. I didn't even get to tell
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: you no because you were in the marching band.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: And so, I mean, Caribbean Thieves, that was such a
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: great show. And also, I want to say, not to
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: belittle the work of it, but what a great, honestly,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: easy job in that you are improv-ing. You're not memorizing
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: your lines. You're not doing a million takes. Like when
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I guest starred on Reno 911, I felt the same way.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: And then when we did After Lately, which was modeled
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: kind of after Reno 911 Curb of like, you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: or The Office, well, The Office is scripted, but more
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: like Curb. Was, yeah, you do it a few times
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: and that's it. I know. And you can improv and,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: How fun. No, Susie Essman and I used to always
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: look at each other and say, oh, my God, this
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: is the best job anybody could ever have. No lines
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: to memorize. I mean, yeah, usually when you're working, you
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: have really early calls.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: And you're up all night just like, got to get
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: these lines down. I mean, even, you know, I remember–
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: A lot of time just sitting in traffic, just going
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: over my lines, going over my lines. But yes, Curb
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: was all improvised. So even for the first three seasons,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I didn't get to look at the story outlines. Larry
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: would write a three to five page story outline, but
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: he didn't want me to see them. So I would,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: when I would get to work, I would say, can
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: anybody tell me what this show is about? And they'd say, no,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: you'll find out. Larry will tell you what he wants
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: you to know. Like, OK.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: And then in it, you know, you guys get divorced.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: And I was that because in his real life he
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: got divorced. Like, why did that divorce happen?
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I think he you know, he told me that he
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: wanted to do stories about dating.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I remember that call, too, because he called me.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: He's like, well, you know, I've got some good news
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: and bad news, mostly bad news for you. I was like, great.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: He said, you know, we are going to do another season,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: but you're not going to be in it. At all?
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: So you weren't in that season at all?
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: No, there was one season I wasn't in when they
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: went to New York. And I said, okay. You know,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was doing... I was doing other things.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were getting... You got a bunch of movies.
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did movies. I did.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: You did RV.
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, RV.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: You did.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Waitress.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you were getting a lot. Now, were those movies,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: because now you're an established name, were they being offered
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: and do you still have to read and audition?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: They were being offered. But I had to meet, you know,
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: meet and talk to the director to see if.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And, you know, you have to talk about the script and...
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: knowledgeable way.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: You know, talk about how you see your character. But
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: completely different, right, than auditioning is so hard, isn't it?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: I'm a horrible auditioner. I one time heard that people
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: were doing beta blockers. So their nerves would like, I'd
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: get so like, and it's so much about like getting ready,
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: driving over there. And like, I really didn't totally memorize.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: And I, because I, some acting teacher told me not to. Wrong. Wrong.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: memorize it, know it inside and out.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: And you can still hold the script, but.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: But you memorize it.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: It's so much better, yeah. And so, and then like
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: when you'd see your friends in the waiting room, and
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I always remember being like, oh, isn't that nice that
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: those two girls are so like classy and they realize like,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: it's not my part. If you get it, it's not
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: in God's plan. Because I'm like, fuck.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: I want it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Or when the casting director would come out and hug me.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: The girl. One of them. They know each other. Only
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: one of them. They go way back and they're laughing
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: and they're like, I'm coming to your birthday on Saturday.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: No, you're not.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, fuck. I know.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: No, I remember Jennifer Coolidge. We were both auditioning for,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: that's how long ago it was, right? What was it?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Something Around the Sun.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, with the aliens?
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with Kristen.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I can't remember the name. Third Rock from
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: the Sun. Third Rock from the Sun, yeah. So it
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: was a guest role. Yeah, it was a guest role.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: And when I got there, I see Jennifer Coolidge, who's amazing, right?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And she's literally clipping in hair extensions while she's talking
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: to me before she goes in. And she said, what
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: is going on here? I said, what do you mean?
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: She goes, oh, all the girls are just like looking
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: at their scripts. And I said, well, you know, it's
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: an audition. A lot of people are Want to get
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: their line. She's like, I guess I should have. Yeah,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: maybe I should have memorized it or something. And she
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: went in. And she's still clipping in her. She doesn't
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: seem to have a care in the world, right?
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: She goes in and it was on the other side
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: of the door. So you could hear if they laughed,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: you could hear it. But you couldn't hear what they
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: were saying, but you could hear if they laughed. She
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: went in. It seemed like they laughed from inside. the
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: moment she went to the moment she left and the
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: rest of us are looking at each other. Like, are you,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: do you have the same? We all have the same scripters.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Hers just really funny. And, um, she got the part. Um,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and then later when I saw her at the groundlings,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I said, what was your take on, on the script?
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Because they were laughing so hard and I did not,
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: you know, it wasn't that didn't seem that funny. She said,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: She said, well, when I went in, they said, oh,
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: we've been dying to work with you for 10 years.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: And I said, you can go fuck yourselves. You've had
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: 10 years to call me. And she said they laughed
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: and laughed and she got the part. But she's also
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: really good.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: But I also had such an anxiety about like thinking
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that if I did anything wrong, it would ruin it.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: It would ruin it. And I'm like, and then I
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: realized later on, and I always tell people this with
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: advice or whatever, I'm like, Just know that if you
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: go out for any kind of job, acting, whatever, any
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: kind of date, the other person wants it to be you. Yeah.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: They don't want to continue the search. That's not fun.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: That is important to remember.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: And I think so many times people walk in thinking
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the world is against them somehow.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the casting director. Or like you're saying, if
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: you're going to interview for a job, they want you
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: to be so great because they want you to walk
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: out and– say, wow, we just found that person.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: But for a long time, you're right. I felt like
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: that too.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: There's so much self-doubt.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where you feel like, oh, I have to go
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: prove myself and they probably don't want me, but I
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: have to go talk them into it.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And it's not, that's not really the case.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: People want, people want to like you. They're the ones
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: that called you in.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Yes. I also remember Jennifer said to me, she goes,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: if the part says, because we would get those breakdowns
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and you could read them, the part says, attractive, I
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: can do it. If it says very attractive, no. She goes,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: but if it says character looking, then I'm better looking
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: than the character. Then I get the, then I really
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: get the part because I'm just a little bit cuter
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: than what they were expecting, but I can be funny.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. She's so great.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: She's, she's really so talented, but also her attitude is fantastic.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: It's so such a good attitude.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I remember I, We talked on the phone and during
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: her height of the White Lotus. And I couldn't believe
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: like she answered my DM and we talked because it
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: had been years, you know. But when I didn't make
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: the main company, she's the night before I realized I
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: didn't make the main company is who I had a
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: conversation with. And she was like, let me tell you, Heather,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: sometimes people get in this company and they stay and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: they become fucking freaks. She's like, so if you don't
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: get it, just know you're in great company. Like you're
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: a great, because it could be really comfortable, you know?
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: When did you, because I don't know the answer to this.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: When did you, and I'm explaining groundings to people, but
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: it's 30 spots. And of those 30 spots, you can
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: continue to perform on stage in the Friday and Saturday
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: long run show. If you give that spot up, you
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: could still come back and teach, do a Thursday, but
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: you can't be in that. So people that felt it
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: was very important that they have that showcase sometimes held
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: on to it way longer. Like they're on SNL, they're
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: on a WB sitcom, they're on a bus. And you're like,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: You were like, you can let go.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Can you give the spot up for this person? Yeah,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: for somebody coming in.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so how did you decide, like, okay, I think
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: my career is in a good enough spot that I
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: can give up the brown list.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Well, when Curb, I got Curb when I,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I think I was in the Sunday company, maybe the
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Sunday company, but it hadn't come out. I don't even
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: know if I had shot it yet. So when I
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: got into the main company, I was shooting Curb, but
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: Curb was only shooting 10 episodes. And Larry said, we're
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: only doing one season. Nobody needs to get excited. So him, right?
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: So I did the first, I think I did, I
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: stayed in at least for a year. And then when Curb,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: it was clear that we were going to do another season.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: And the show was, you know, I would say, critically acclaimed,
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: you know, is getting attention and a golden globe. And,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: you know, it was clear that it was on a path.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: That's when I didn't stay in the main company for
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: very long because that's when I stepped down.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're a classy lady and you care about others.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: And you're like, I don't need this platform.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: But, you know, you work so hard to get there.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: You work so hard to get there that you don't
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: want to give it up. And there's nothing, nothing's for sure.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Nothing's for sure. But that growling, you can stay until
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: you're 90. So you had Lisa Kudrow as a teacher.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I had her for intermediate. You did?
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you love her?
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: I loved her. And it was, and a funny story
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: about that, which I've told on the show before, but whatever,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Cheryl hasn't heard it. I haven't heard it. She was
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a teacher. We had a lot of substitutes because she
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: was on Mad About You as the waitress. And then
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: she said, I'm going to step down from the main company.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: And I was like, why? She goes, well, I got
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: this pilot. And I was like, honey, a lot of
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: pilots don't get picked up. And she goes, I go,
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: what's it even about? She's like, it's about six friends.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Living in New York. And I just remember, I just
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: imagined like her and a bunch of people like on
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: a subway. And I'm like, this sounds awful. She goes,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I go, I don't know. Like, you sure you want
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: to do this? You know, at the time she was
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: only like 31. And I go, um, and she goes, well,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: it's following Seinfeld. And I go, okay, you know what?
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: I'll pray for you. Yeah.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Good luck with that little project.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You've got to bet on yourself. You've got to
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: have the confidence of yourself. Yeah.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: You deserve a treat.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: With eight flavors to choose from, you can choose the
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: flavor you favor with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: Life is one long lesson of chaos. I'm heading to
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: the Emmys, and I have police complaints filed against me.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: what would you do if it was given back?
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: He said, I have a work dad.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: I need a home dad.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: What happens next?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: When I came in, he started crying.
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: happens next.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I realized how valuable every day was.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: You're worth the work.
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: So when you met your first husband, the father of
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: your daughter, Catherine, who goes by Kat. Now, he was
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: a manager. I'm curious, in that pairing of falling in
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: love with him, did that elevate your career? Because he
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: knew what he was doing. Was he putting you in
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: even a better stratosphere than you already were as just
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: a regular on a show?
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: I would say yes. He wasn't my manager for a
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: long time.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: But.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: he was very helpful in guiding me and say, you know,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Curb Your Enthusiasm is a very specific show and you should,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: you know, you have a lot of time off in
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: between seasons. So you should be going in for films.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: And even if you can't do another TV show, because I,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: at that point I couldn't because of Curb, you should
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: be doing other things. And my, Agent, at the time,
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I remember him saying this. He said, and I said
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: that to my agent. I wasn't with a big agency then.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Still, even though you're in Curb. No one was trying
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: to poach you?
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: They were, but I said, no, I want to stay
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: with this agent.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I want to be loyal because you're a classy lady.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: And I said... I would like to go and do
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: films in between. And he said, that's not really how
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: it works. He's like, you're on TV and that doesn't happen.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: I said, and at the time I remember Kelsey Grammer
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: had just done a film. I said, Kelsey Grammer just
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: did a film. And he said, you're no Kelsey Grammer.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I was like, and then I would go home and
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: tell Paul and his brain would explode. He was like,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: oh my God, now I'm going to have to call
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: the agent. So he did a lot of work where
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: he would call the agent or he would, if he
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: knew about a project, he, you know, would say, oh, Well,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: maybe you should look at Cheryl for this project, you know.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: So after.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but going back to that agent thing, I always
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: remember Kim Kardashian had said she had a publicist. And
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: it's a long time ago. And and right. I don't
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: even know if the show had come out or whatever.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: And she's like, I want to be like on the
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: cover of magazines one day. And the publicist said, oh, honey,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: you're never going to be on a cover of a magazine.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: We'll try to get you, you know, on the red
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: carpet asking people questions. And luckily she had the confidence
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: to be like, well, then this isn't the person, you know,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: that should be representing me. And it's like your dreams
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: have to be bigger than everyone else's.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: And so many times we do like, you know, even
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: with the Sunday company, I didn't realize I would manifest stuff.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: And you clearly in your book, you're, you're manifesting things
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: with throughout your life, kind of without knowing what that was.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: And same with me because the secret hadn't come out,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: but I remember going to.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: The secret and everybody changed my life.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: And so it really did. It really did change my life.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: How did it change your life?
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: Because I was at home with my children.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Does everybody know what the secret is?
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: The secret was a book that came out that was
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: truly about manifestation and like.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: Say it, believe it, see it.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Some people would make boards and cut out magazines of like,
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: I want to go to Hawaii next year. Here's a
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: check for $ 1, 000.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: You see yourself doing it.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Jim Carrey has a classic story of where he wrote
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: himself a $ 10 million check and he put a date
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: on it. And literally like weeks before that date, he
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: was offered a movie for $ 10 million, but he'd written
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: it like 20 years prior, like just things like that.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: And so I was with my kids and I was
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: still going out for little auditions and things like that.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And I hadn't done standup in many years. I lived
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: in Woodland Hills. I, you know, I was just telling
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: my son this and I realized this later. I never
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: lived like in LA. I never lived where the agents
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: and the people were moving and shaking. And I kind
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: of realized in the last year, oh, I wonder if
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: I had gone to those schools and seen the parents. Like,
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: would I just be top of mind? Because sometimes you
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: just see someone, you know, and you're like, that's who
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: I need. Like, I remember I was at a dinner
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: with Tracee Ellis Ross. We had our first show together,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Lyricist Lounge. And she took me to this cool restaurant
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: on 3rd Street. And then she called me to tell
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: me she got girlfriends. And she goes, you know, Heather,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: how I got that? the writer producer walked in and
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: saw me having dinner with you and was like, that's Joan.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: And so I'm like, but then all these years later,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have built this. Right.
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: Which now this is a great situation and I love it.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not jealous of anything that I see anymore.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Like I'm not, there was a time when I'd be like, Oh,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: like I wish I was honest to come. And then
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: my life took away where I'm like, no, I'm very,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: very satisfied. But like those kinds of things, but getting
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: back to the secret. So, My friend dropped it off
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: like on my doorstep, this DVD, and I watched it.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, if you just, that's it.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: And then like literally I went back to doing standup
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and then like six months later, I was working on Chelsea.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: And then from there, I, cause I also knew I
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: was getting, I was like 37. I'm like, if I
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: don't get like a regular TV show now.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: If I wait like another five years, it's going to
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: be too hard.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Like I got it. And it was hard. And I
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: have a lot of guilt about not being home with
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: my kids.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Your daughter was born when you were like 39. Yeah.
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: And.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Was there ever, how did you maneuver when you were gone,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: like on a set or whatnot?
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was hard. And I mean, I would, it
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: was easier when she was little because when I did RV,
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I just brought her with me. I did a movie
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: called The Grand and brought her with me. But, you know,
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: she had a great nanny who would bring her to
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: my trailer for lunch, you know. And then, yeah, when
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: I was on, At location, I would have, you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: have someone fly out with her. But it is hard
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: when you look back, and it was hard even at
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: the time because you, as a mother, you kept thinking,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: am I doing the right thing? But also, you know,
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: work brought me so much happiness, and it made me
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: a happy, full person. So I would have to, I
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: was always balancing both of those things because I, I
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: wanted her to see, you know, this is what your
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: life can be. You can have success and you can,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: you can make your dreams come true. And I wanted
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: to model that for her. And at the same time,
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: there were times when, you know, where I wasn't there
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: for Mother's Day or, Yeah.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: I missed a Mother's Day.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's hard.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: It's really hard. I remember being in a, doing like
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: five shows like in Phoenix or something and it was
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: a great deal because they were like, it's Mother's Day weekend. Like,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: let's listen to a funny mother, right?
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: And I just remember I like went down and there
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: was all these people having Mother's Day brunch at the
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: hotel and I was just like, you know, but this
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: is what I chose. This is what I wanted. My
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: husband was supportive of it and I know the kids,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: it's not like my sons today are like, It's Mother's Day.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I cannot wait to wait on you hand and foot
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: all day. Exactly.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But it is such a, you know, it is
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: a challenge. And you always kind of go, like, what
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: is the right thing? And, you know, you can't have
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: it all. You can have it most. You cannot have
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: it all, like, in my opinion. Like, you just, it's,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: something's going to give.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Because would you be happy just being home all the time? And,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: you know, one might be. Like, if I wasn't driven.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: All I, I, I always knew I wanted to be
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: an actor. So that was in me, you know, but my,
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: you know, when I talked to my daughter, who's grown now,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: she really, she wants, she really wants to be a mother.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Like she's, so she, she talks about it. Like I
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: talked about being an actor, you know, but when, so
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: it's interesting because there are definitely some people who that
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: they're not, if they, if they're home all the time,
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: they're not sitting there going, thinking, ah, I wonder if
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: I could have made that other thing happen too. Yeah.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: And yeah, that's why, yeah, exactly. I, you know, and
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: talking about when you're dating the Charlie guy, when I
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: was reading that, I'm like, I dated some people that, um,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I wonder if I would have
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: just gone down the, you know, married the Newport guy.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: I'm like, there's no way that family, him and, would
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: have been like, oh, your wife's going down to the
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: improv again? Like, what a fucking loser. Like, when is
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: she going to make any money at this? Like, you needed, like,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: so whoever I was going to choose, like even with
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: my husband, I had boyfriends that were like, I mean,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: do you ever get any of these auditions? I was like, no,
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: I don't. I never book anything. I just like going
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: on them. And it's like, why do you keep doing it?
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: Why do you keep doing it?
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: That was Charlie.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah. He'd be like, why would you do a play
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: for free?
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: That's how you do it. Because I love acting.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: It doesn't pay.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll keep doing it and love it in
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: the excitement of it until I don't love it anymore.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: And then if I feel like, yeah. And so, yeah,
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: I was always doing things. When I was doing real estate,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: when I was doing whatever, I was always, always had
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: it on. If I wasn't doing standup, I was still
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: like auditioning and booking enough stuff to like get things.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: And so I find that like, you know, so interesting.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: And then as being a mom and the other part
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: that I thought was so brave in your book of
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: like the idea of why you didn't want to have
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: a second child. Can you kind of speak on that?
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: Cause I think it's like.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: It's kind of embarrassing to admit. No, I don't think
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: it is.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Well, I, when I had my daughter, Kat, Catherine, I was,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I fell in love with her from the moment I
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: saw her face. And I was, I was just like,
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: nobody else in the world matters. And I just, I mean,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: to this day, you know, I see her and I just, oh,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: my heart. It just makes me happy. She brings me
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: so much joy and I love her so much. So
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: when she was little, you know, I thought about having
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: another child and I thought, I'm not going to like them.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Because I love her so much.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: All I wanted to do was, even when she was sleeping,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I would take pictures of her because This is her
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: with her eyes closed. This is her sleeping. You know,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: and I would watch her. And then I would think,
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: if I had another baby, I'm going to get stuck
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: with the baby.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Well, also, I mean, she looks, I'm going to go
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: to her. She looks so much like you. She's gorgeous.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: She's very beautiful. I know.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, blue eyes, big. And I remember when I
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: met her, because you invited me to like a New
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Year's Eve party at your house in Brentwood.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: Like a very casual one. I was pregnant with my
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: second son. So she was like two. And I remember
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: seeing her and I was like, oh my God, that's
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Cheryl's like big, big smile.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: She's stunning. Yeah.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: And so I thought, oh, I, I, I'm not falling
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: for this because if I have a, if I have
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: a baby, then. We'll get to hang out with Kat.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to be stuck with a baby I
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: don't like as much as Kat. And then, you know,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: but I would think about it. I know other people
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: do it. You know, other people have more than one child.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know how they do it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: You know, it is weird. And I remember when I
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: gave birth to my second son, who I love very much, Brandon.
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: But I remember having weird thoughts going, if I had
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: to choose one... I know this one so much better,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the one that's two and a half.
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: And I already like them.
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: And I was just like... But then... And I remember
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: even Khloe Kardashian revealed that, you know, she carried one
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: and had to have a surrogate carry the boy. And
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: she was very honest about this connection. And she thought
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: it was the surrogate thing. And I said, oh, I wish...
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: She knows it's not that.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: It's that you know the older one.
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: And the love of the relationship will come and it's...
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: And then, you know... Yeah. And then you have that
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: younger one that's like into... cuddling a lot longer than
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: the older one like it's all interesting but I think
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: that you know What's great about, you know, our world
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: and women today is that, you know, you really can
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: make those choices for what's right for you and you
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be sucked into, well, you know, your parents want
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: you to have two or whatever. And with your schedule
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: and everything. And one is always easier. And one girl,
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: I think, is the easiest. Yeah, she would.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: She liked to color, you know. And then I would
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: be around, you know, moms with little boys.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: It's a whole different thing.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Jumping on the couches and... But then... Like I said,
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: like I talk about in my book, that when I
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: met Bobby, and Bobby had six kids already. And I
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: just love them.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: I love them.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: But I realized, oh, right, this is what happens. You
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: don't have the same, you're never going to have the
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: same relationship with each child. It's so different.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: It's so different. And so many times, you know, people
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: are like, oh, she was the favorite or whatever. It's like,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: I think that it's sometimes if, it's your personality just
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: aligns better with one. Sometimes you're too much like the
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: child and you might butt heads a little bit or
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: you're also so much like that you get along or
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. But the love... I believe is the same. Yeah.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: It's just sometimes, yeah, the relationship's a little different. And
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: also in different stages of life. Right. One child could
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: be the easiest teenager ever and then maybe they struggle
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: in their 20s or vice versa. Like there's no, oh,
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: get past the toddler years. You know, like toddler years
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: for some kids might be the easiest. I don't know.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know what your kid's going to be like
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: in fourth grade. Right. You know, and so, yeah.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: So, yeah. So when I had... When I had stepkids.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: They're all so cute.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: No, they're so.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: And you have, I didn't realize you have grandchildren.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: How great is that?
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: It's pretty cute.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: People don't realize the joy of being, marrying someone that's
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: maybe a little older or later in life, whether you
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: have kids or not. Even if you're a woman who
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: never had kids, you can be hot step grandma.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I am hot step grandma. I'm Cher Bear. It's just
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: like my mom. Oh, that's cute. I talk about my
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: mom in the book because her name is Rosemary. When
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: she became a step-grandmother, she didn't want to be called Grandma.
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: So we called her Cracklin' Rosie. And, you know, for
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: so many years, I thought, that's so ridiculous.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: She doesn't want to be called Grandma. And then, you know,
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: I have these, my step-grandkids, grandkids. It's like, just call
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: me Cher Bear. Don't you dare call me Grandmother. You
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: know what, though?
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Speaking of which, you did a movie called the mom's,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: what was it called?
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Bad Mom's Christmas.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Bad Mom's, and I was like, why is Cheryl playing
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: the mother of Kristen Bell? And I'm like, I hope
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: they establish that, like, she gave birth at 14.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I think we did talk about that. I had her
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: when I was very young, in my, you know, 18
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: or 19 or something.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: I always think that must be, that must have been
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: kind of interesting. Like, when you got the offer, was
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: that an offer too? Was there any part of that
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: you were like, okay, I don't know that I identify
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: as a grandmother with a daughter of this age, but like,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to turn down a role. Like, is
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: there anything that's like, good news is you got a part.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Bad news is you're playing someone that you're not.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: It was a discussion, you know, because it was like,
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, talking with the directors and I'm like,
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: is this, are people going to believe it? But then
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: if you guys are saying, Then you see me as
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: being old enough. So I guess that's all that mattered.
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: And then, yeah, they sort of rewrote that part in
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: the script where I was really, really young when I
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: had her.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Okay. So then what I also love before we get to,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: here we are getting married. to your second husband, Bobby.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: What I loved is, I know you got divorced from
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Kat's dad. I did not know that you had the
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: nicest divorce, the most pleasant co-parenting. I mean, how the
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: hell does that happen? And in Hollywood, like how, who,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: and you know, you don't talk that much about it,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: but I don't know how much more you want to
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: tell me. Like, When did you kind of feel like
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is forever or did you ever
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: have the discussion before you guys both agreed?
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was, you know, we were married for
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: seven years and I know that there he was working
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: a lot. I was I was working, too, but just
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: so really it was cat. You know, everything was about cat.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: And we just have a different approach in life. You know, he,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: Paul is intense. He's like, he's great at negotiations. You know,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: he does contracts and stuff. And he's like, if both
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: sides aren't mad at the end, it wasn't a good negotiation.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: You know, and people would come up to me and go, well,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: your husband's like bulldog. And I'd say, oh, I know.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: So he said he's mellowed out, but still has that intensity,
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: but in a different way. But I was always, you know,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: I remember one time we were talking about money, you know,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: and talking about what happens if we don't have enough
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: money for this. And I said something stupid like, we'll
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: just plant another money tree. And he's like, I'm trying
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: to have a conversation, you know? And it's like, oh,
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: I know I'm listening. I'm sorry. And you're right. There
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: are no money trees.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 56:31
  Speaker 2: But so I, my approach is always a little bit lighter,
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: you know, and look on the bright side. Let's, let's
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: focus on the positive. And it was not, it's not
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: a good match that way because we would have a
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: hard time communicating sometimes because it's like.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: So you guys have a good divorce. He actually went
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: on vacation together with Bobby and you and your daughter.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: And so you fall in love with Bobby and you
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: met him years back. At the Waterkeeper event. And then,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: which was a big charity, which I did a video, Rachel,
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: your friend, your best friend, my friend too, Rachel Harris.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: I did a little video of it. And then I
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: went to the evening and then I saw you guys
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: there and you're like, what are you doing here? And
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: you're just like walking through the thing. And I was like, oh, okay,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: can I go on the, can I go on the,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: Peter was like, get us on the ski trip. Like
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: we were watching this whole thing and there was like
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: a celebrity ski trip. And I'm like, I just think
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: they wanted me for like the, PSA video I don't
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: know what but it was all good and but I
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: was when you got married I was like oh my
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: god I can't believe that Cheryl is marrying a Kennedy
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: because there's so many interesting things about the like the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: connection of the universe one was that you loved Carol
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Burnett more than anybody mine was the Joan Rivers and
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I met Joan Rivers too I would stay up to
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: watch Joan Rivers when she would guest star on Johnny,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: but you would go in the other room to watch
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Carol Burnett.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: And because of our friend Julie Welch, whose parents worked
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: on Carol Burnett's show, Carol actually came to the show
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: to watch you guys.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: To the Sunday Company. She came to the Sunday Company.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I was on there. I don't
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: know if I totally remember that. That might have been
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: when I wasn't.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: You would have remembered, I think, because it was such
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: a big deal. Yeah. We were like, And remember at
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: the Groundlings, like, you could peek through, like, a tiny crack,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: and sometimes you could see somebody in the audience. And
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: I just remember, yeah, Carol coming and feeling like, wow,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: the universe is crazy.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: And then do you remember when JFK Jr. came, too?
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: I do. Isn't that funny?
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: Now, in my memory, but I don't know if it's true,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: he was wearing a beret. Remember when he was wearing
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: berets a lot? I talked to this to Carol Radziwill,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: you know, who was— You know who Carol Roswell is? So,
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: and she was like, Heather, she's like left. She was like,
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's wearing a beret. I'm like,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: he would wear a beret shirtless in the streets of
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: New York. Like the way I imagined like the pose.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I don't remember if he was wearing a beret. But
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: he might have been wearing like a beanie. Like a beanie, yeah.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: That would be hilarious if he was in a beret
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: at the ground.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: But the connection of Brian Ruff, who was his friend.
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: Kevin Ruff, yeah. Kevin Ruff, who was his friend, who
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: was an actor.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: But also a lawyer. He's the one who invited him. Yes.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: And so then to find out, I'm like, this is
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: such a weird thing that, that Cheryl is now marrying
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: into the Kennedy family. And like, I'm like, how great
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: is this? Like, like this is like, and I remember
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: thinking like, wow, Cheryl's led a life. Like, you know,
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: like from that, from, you know, from like.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: From Tallahassee, Florida.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to that. I'm like, and this is great. You know,
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: he does this great show. Who doesn't like water?
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Right. Everybody likes clean water.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone likes clean water.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Who's mad about that?
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Nobody.
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: No one's mad about clean water. And then when he
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: was running for president, at first, it seemed quite positive
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: for people from both sides being like, Well, this is
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: who I'm going to go for because I don't like
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: this person. I don't like this person. And I was like, oh,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: my God, like Cheryl might be the first lady. And
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, I wish you would have kept in
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: touch a little bit better because I'm like, I want
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: to fucking invite to the White House. And so I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: want to know. Yes. During the window of where it
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't Hollywood hating you and your husband. What were there
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: some friends that was like, this is fucking cool, Cheryl.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: This could be a lot of fun for us. Can
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: I spend the night? Like who was like in it
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: and excited or was everyone just like, what the hell's
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: going on?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, most people were like, what the hell's going on?
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: There was hardly anybody who was daydreaming about.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: You should have kept in touch with this thirsty bitch.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: But people did.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Like to ask me in interviews, you know, because and
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: there was no good answer, right? Because if I said, oh, yeah,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: I would love to be first lady and dream about
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: picking out the wallpaper or, you know, starting my own
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: foundation or whatever, then that answer would be like, whoa,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: somebody's delusional. Yeah. You know what I mean? And if
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: I said that. And the truth was I really did
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: not sit around thinking about that because the reality of
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: what would have to happen and the universal lining for
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: that to happen was so— So.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: You never really thought it was a possibility that he
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: could win? Did you act like you were, like, I mean,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: did you have a conversation, like, he's doing this, but
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: he's not? Or were you like, hey, Bobby, you do you, boo.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: And I'll be there if it works out. But then
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: in your own head or on the phone of your sister,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: you're like, this is not going to ever freaking happen.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Well, there were, there were, I did feel like it
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: was possible.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: It was, a lot of it was not probable. And
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: mostly because... because of the way that election unfolded, it was,
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: because when he first said he was going to run,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: he was running as a Democrat, and that was before
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: the primaries. So that was, I think he announced in July,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: and then the primaries were, they start in, you know,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: the next year in January. So usually the primaries, the
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: Democratic primaries, it starts to, after a few primaries, one
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: candidate will start winning. And it's an indicator that this
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: candidate has the most support. And so, so for me,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: it was like, okay, let's, let's get to the primaries and,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: and see what kind of support you have. So every,
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: every bit of along the way, it was different hurdles
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: that you had to get over. So, At that moment,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not thinking, well, I can't wait to get to
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: the White House. I'm like, let's get to the primaries
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: and see what happens. But then right before the primaries,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: word was and it did happen that they were canceling
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: the primaries and states were just saying, okay, we're going
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: to support Biden. Right. So then it was clear he
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: had no path. He could not win a primary if
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: there were no primaries.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: So so then he switched to an independent. And to
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: to get on the ballot as an independent is so
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: different than if you were a Republican or a Democrat.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: And I'll probably bore your audience because you're like, no.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Not, you know, in the past.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: You know, lived on this earth long.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: There's there was Perot. There was there were some that
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: got a little further, but they really then they would say,
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: don't vote for the independent because they're never going to
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: win and you're wasting your right.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: So, yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: So it was never that I didn't believe Bobby. I
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: think Bobby would make an amazing president. He's very, very smart.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: He's a great leader. And he's a graceful person. But
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: it was for him to, yeah, for an independent to win,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: and it just hasn't happened before.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: So I don't.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: Know.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: I wasn't like packing my bags for the White House.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: I was like, let's get through April and then we'll
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: see what May looks like, you know.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: And so then we jumped to, you know, when that's it,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: you know, he has endorsed Trump and all of this.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: And you get dumped from Hollywood Friends. You are... Yeah.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: And I was like, it made me sad to like
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: see that and read it. Not surprised.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: And in, you've been very graceful in talking about, I'm
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: just going to say it, Tig Notaro, she did a podcast.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: She said how she could no longer talk to you
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: or have any association with you because you're married to
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Bobby Kennedy. And you said, could you please, we want
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: to share our our thoughts of where we realize that
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: we're not any, you know, not different people. We could,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: whatever it was. And no, I don't want to hear that.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: I don't want to hear, I don't want to be
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: like in my, I don't want to hear anything that
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: might convince me of otherwise of the decision I made
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: of the path I'm on, whatever. And that was sad
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: because you guys had a friendship. You had a fun
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: podcast where you talk about documentaries. And I just want
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: to say to that, that person did not love you enough.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: to want to be your friend forever. And in Hollywood,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: you can be very close. And when you're comedians and
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: when you're doing podcasting and the world is listening to
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: a friendship, they get very sad when the friendship ends
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: because they're like, we saw the friendship, but it still
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: is a working relationship. And sometimes that just happens. I,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I've had a friend where I wasn't happy
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: that they were still aligned with somebody that hurt me
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: very much, but I was like, But I love this
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: friend so much.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: That there's no way I'm going to let this friend
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: out of my life.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: And maybe in a couple years, this won't even matter.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: But I'm not going to do something so definitive that
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: they're no longer in my life.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Right out of your life, yeah.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: And I can't, that must have been like so weird
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: and hard for you.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: It was, it was hard, you know, and it was,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: I was surprised, you know, and I guess, you know,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: and then I stopped being surprised. But I was surprised that,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: because I know people are passionate about politics. I know
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: it's very upsetting to some people, no matter who's in office.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: No, but it has changed. I mean, it's crazy.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: People are really, really....
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: I mean, I forgot about this until I was doing
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: my makeup this morning, but my aunt, Claire Carey, she passed.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: She was raised a Democrat with my dad because the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: dad was in the unions. He was a firefighter. And
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: then in the 50s, she was like working as an
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: independent lady. She didn't get married until she's 34. And
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: she married DJ Carey. And D.J. Carey came from the Careys,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: who are a huge Democratic family. She had switched to
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: becoming a Republican during the 50s. And she married him.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: And his brother became the governor of New York. And
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: the Carey friends were probably, if you say it to
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: your husband, he'll know several of my cousins. The kids
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: hung out. They went to boarding school together. They knew
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: each other. And she never stopped being a Republican. And
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: all the families knew it. All the families knew it.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: And she'd laugh about it. And it was fine. Right.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: I think she voted for her brother-in-law, but other than that.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: And it was like.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: Life goes on.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they didn't not do Christmas together. They did not.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: It was never. It was kind of, it was sort
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: of interesting and kind of funny. And like, that was it.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: And it's like, of course, now people are probably screaming. Okay,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: I get it. But I'm just saying it is interesting that,
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: There was a time when either you didn't talk about
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: it or you could. agree to disagree and still be
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: friends and family.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Agree to disagree.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: And there's something maybe with social media, something where it's
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: just so ingrained in you that for a certain population
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: of people, they have decided this is this, like a
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: religion on both sides.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: And there is nothing that will change their mind.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: No matter what.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: And they will give up people and da-da-da, because they've
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: gone down such a long path that they can never go,
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: you know what? I was wrong about that.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: No, nobody will say that.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Of these types.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: Of these types.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Other people, yeah. That's the extreme. Other people, yeah. A lot,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: most of us will be like, oh, I did think that,
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: and now I feel differently.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: Or that's a good point.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to think about it.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think that's what's really hard, because you
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: were never... at that extreme person, you were a Democrat
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: at one point independent, you know? So, and he was when,
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: I'm sure when he, when you got with him, it
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: was perfect. You're with the Democrat. He's from the cool family,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: the loved family. Like he does, he, who doesn't like water?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: All safe.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: It's like, it's like I said, what about the cyber truck?
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: I go, nothing went from so cool to so uncool
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: so quickly. Except for the truck and Bobby Kennedy.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: It was a 180. I'm like, oh, oh, okay. This
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: is where we are now.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: And when he said, well, we could fake a separation
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: because he felt so bad because nobody liked you anymore.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: And you're like, let's not do that.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: But you know what? I understand it because I have
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: some friends that I don't want. people having feelings about
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: my friends being friends with me you know what I
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: mean it's like I don't want to bring anything bad
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: into someone else's life and I know that's what he
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: he was he was watching it all happen you know
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: he's watching the podcast end and um yeah I have
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: I have a few friends that I really... What do
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: you mean the podcast end? Oh, with Tig.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 5: Oh, yes.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: And he knew, oh, this is happening because of me.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: People hate me so much. People hate me so much
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: they are starting to hate you. And I feel really
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: bad about it. And I don't want that. I don't
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: want that for you. You know, it was very sweet, but.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, if anything, when people were like, and in
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: the book, like, you know, yelling at saying like, you
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: need to tell your husband and how could you be
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: with that man and blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: probably at one point there was an, like, well, thank
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: God I have you, Bobby. Like, thank God we have
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: each other because fuck these other people. They obviously weren't real,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: real in my life. Do you imagine if you dumped
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: your husband to go hang out with these other people
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: to like go on a trip to Spain? And then
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: it's like, no, like this is family and this is this.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: And it's like, You're right. This too shall pass. Like
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: who knows where things will be in a couple years.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: And you said that about time. Like I wish I
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: could just skip two years ahead. And I've had that
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: in times in my life too. Or like parenting challenges.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: Like can I just see where you are at 25
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: so I can just like stop worrying. Like I don't know.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: But you just have to go through it.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: Right. You have to go through it. You just have
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: to go through it. And you're right. It was really–
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: it was always– I've always been a very– family oriented
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: person it's always it's always.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: No I always remember that because so close to your
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: sister like I am your parents were at that little
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: New Year's Eve party at the Brentwood house like yeah.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: So I it was strange when people were I mean
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: people still some people you know feel like oh you
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: should leave him it's like why because you don't like
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: his politics like that's Oh, that's not what our marriage
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: is about. Yeah.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: And I mean, with the vaccine thing, you know, I
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: don't know if you know, but I fainted on stage.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I did see that.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: And I thought, finally, I have a viral moment doing
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: stand up. And it absolutely did nothing for my career.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: Everybody just hated me because the left thought I was
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: like a plant for the anti-vax and the right thought
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: I was being disrespectful because I said Jesus loves me
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: the most right before I fainted. And they thought Jesus
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: came down and flaked me. And I said, you know,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: I've been Catholic my whole life. Like Jesus and I
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: are good, whatever. But it was one of those things. And,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: you know, but I was like, well, maybe this was
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: meant to be because it did add to the discussion.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Didn't help my career at all, but my career is fine.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: But it didn't, but it was, it, even then I
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: would do interviews and stuff and they would say, well,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: what is it? And I go, look, and I, I
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: don't know, but I did get the booster two weeks
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: before to the day.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: And, and so, and then, you know, and even Chelsea
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: had a situation right before going on stage where she
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: had like a heart thing. And, but you know, she, we,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: whatever she didn't talk about. I didn't talk because people
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: were like, just don't talk like, like it's just going
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: to be banned and you're going to in trouble for
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: even discussing it. And the truth is, I like, I
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: don't know. I just know I've never fainted before. I've
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: never fainted after I'd had every test done. Thank God
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: I'm fine.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: And also I'd say, you know, you don't know how
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: many people felt dizzy but just sat down. Right. Or
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: were sitting down when they felt dizzy. When I felt dizzy,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: I was on stage.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: So there was no way for me to grab or go,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: you guys, hold on.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I know I have two shows and two meet and greets,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: but I'm seeing dots.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Like, no. So that's why a lot of people, I think,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: you see all those people fainting because they were on camera,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: so they weren't. addressing the fact they don't feel well well.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Because you're like the athletes that was also the problem
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: yeah I mean the athletes were out on the field
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: like going 90 miles an hour yeah and then and
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: then to feel that way right but yeah and it's
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: so it's such a.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting because I'm like why are people mad
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: at you why are people mad at you yeah this
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: is your experience yeah what if for some people it
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: didn't work out for others it did let's just make
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: sure it's safe going forward like what does it matter
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: like I mean, I had to show that I was
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: vaccinated to perform at the clubs. Right. And I was
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: fine with that. Right. I've always been— I never had an
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: issue with anything. With my son, during the Jenny McCarthy time,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: because he was just a little younger than her son,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: I was watching the Oprahs and everything and talking about
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: the vaccines and the connection to autism. And the next day,
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: my child didn't look me in the eye. And he
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: was coming on his 18-month— shots and I was like
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: oh my god oh my god for six months I
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: was like I don't know what I'm gonna do I
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: don't know what I'm gonna tell this doctor I don't
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the night I went
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: to the doctor and I'm like I don't know what
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do about this appointment he's like what are
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: you talking about I'm like I don't know about getting
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: all the shots he goes Drake got all his shots
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: at one at one year oh.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 5: My god that guy was like what like he had
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: like 15 at one time and luckily he was fine
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 5: but like so what like that you spread it out
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: or wait or whatever and I don't know if people
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 5: get mad because they feel like in some way maybe
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 5: they made the wrong choice and therefore it's their fault.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Or they want to make sure that no matter what
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: their choice was right. Like, again, like who cares?
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: Like, who cares? Like we're not, nobody's judging anybody or
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't be.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: So that's what is hard to understand too about, um,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: why can't we listen to someone's experience without calling them
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: crazy or making it political? Yeah. You fainting on stage
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: has nothing to do with politics. Zero to do with politics.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: It was a moment in time for you. It was
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: a health moment. And that's it.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: So there's something about, you know, the vaccine situation that
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: really has people want to tell other people how they
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: feel about it. They need to tell other people how they,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: not everybody, of course, but how they, one way or
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: the other.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Or when people say, Well, you know, I had an
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: uncle who died of COVID. I'm like, yeah, that is
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: really horrible. But why does that matter if your neighbor
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: didn't get it or not? doctored up a card so
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: that they could work. I don't know. I didn't, you know,
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: it didn't matter to me. I was like, I don't
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: care if you get it or not. I'm getting it because.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: Right, the vaccine.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: For the vaccine. Because for me, I would go out
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: and when it was before the vaccine and I'd wake
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night and I'd be like,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: can I still smell my hand lotion? Because they always
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: said you couldn't smell. So I was like, I want the...
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I just don't want to worry about getting it, you know?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: So I was happy to get it. And I was
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: happy to get the booster and I was happy to
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: do all the things. And I never even, I was like, whatever.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: But I also respected people that were like, I'm not
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: doing that.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, fine.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: You know? And, you know, and I had jokes about
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: it on the other side too. I'm like, yeah, all
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: these people that are like, I'm not putting a needle
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: in my, and they're like going to get Botox. Like,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, like who cares? Like, but again,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: it's whatever your thing is. So it's just, I just
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: think that, So when I saw the view, so you
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: go on the view, and I'm curious because you've been
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: on the view over the years, I'm sure promoting a
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: million things. And what was the, did you know you
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: were going into this situation or were they hugging you
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: and were sweet? Did they act like it was going
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: to be more about funny stories like we told earlier
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: in this episode or did they, what did they think
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: it was?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: Um well I was told that uh you know that
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: they they were glad that it was coming on which
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: was good um and that they that it wasn't that
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: they weren't going to attack me yeah but then you
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: know what I when I talked to a producer about
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: what the, you know, the segment would look like, it
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: was clear. It was like, oh, okay. They want to
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: talk to you about vaccines. They want to talk to
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: you about Bobby. And it's like, oh, okay. All right.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: You know? So I, so at that point I knew, oh,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: we're not just, I'm not going to have a good time.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to field questions about Bobby. And, and at
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: that point I felt like that's okay like bring it
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: on um and it's it was good timing for me
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: because Bobby's you know been um secretary of HHS for
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: what 10 months now and has accomplished a lot of
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: really great things you know for for the health of
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 2: America so so I was I was um glad to
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: talk about it and even some of the things that
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: even Even me, even for me, when like when he
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: was during his Senate hearings while he was getting grilled
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: about being secretary and they kept saying, you're not a doctor.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: You are not a doctor. And I the first time
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: I heard that, I thought, oh, no, he's not a doctor.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: This is did they not know he's not a doctor?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: Why is this so important? Is this usually like a
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: surgeon is that has this? you know, this title. And
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: then now, you know, knowing what I know, most of
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: them are not doctors. Our last secretary was not a doctor,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 2: was a politician. A lot of them have been politicians, governors.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: There was an economist. You know how many Democratic secretaries
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: of HHS, zero. So it's like, but I believed it too,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: even during that hearing where I was like, Ooh, he's
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: not a doctor. And then, and then I've just been,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: like I said, I've been learning so much where it's like,
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: he's not, doesn't need to be a doctor. That's not
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: his role as secretary. So I was sort of, I
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: was ready for those kinds of questions and Really a tax.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: Some of them weren't questions. They were just like, your
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: husband's not qualified. Like, was the economist qualified? So I
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: knew going on that show that they were going to
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: come at me. And, you know, I really just wanted
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: to try to connect with them and have a conversation
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: Do you imagine, though, too, like if there was a
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: man– who was on a show with a bunch of
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: other men, and his wife was in some type of
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: powerful position, and they're like, tell your wife she's a
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: dumb bitch. I know. That doesn't know anything, and you
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: need to divorce her ass, otherwise you're kicked out of
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: the club. Like, that would never happen. Yeah. And it's
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: just so interesting that, you know, women, like, can judge, like, hey,
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: even if you... You know, it doesn't, like, you're married
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: to him and, you know, you do support and obviously
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: believe what he's doing is great. But, like, even if
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: you didn't and just stayed silent during these years or whatever,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: what is it anyone's business?
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: You're going to tell your husband of whatever how old
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: he is? Like, no.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: You're not who's a lawyer who's lived in this life
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: and been around the Kennedy forever and knows about stuff
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: like this and has fought, you know, it's just, yeah,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: what are you supposed to do?
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: It's going to hurt people's feelings. They're going to be
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: mad that you, if you get this job.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: When you guys got in this position in politics and
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: now in the white house, did you have any friends
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: or wayward family members that was like, Hey, Can you
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: help a third cousin out with some shit? Anybody that
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, cousin Cheryl, she can get us what
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: we need.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: She can pull some strings. Yeah. I don't have that.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: I don't have that. But I do have, you know,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: it's hard because it's health.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: I have a lot of people that want to tell
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: me their health situations. So that's hard because it's like
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: I hear you.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: And– I can help research with you, but I can't
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: do anything. I don't have a doctor I can call
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: for you. So that's hard. It's not like comedy where
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, I wrote a script. Can you give
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: it to Spielberg? It's like, no, but give me the script,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: and if I run into him, I'll try to give
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: it to him. So it's such a serious situation, that part.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: But no, nobody's calling like, oh, can you get me
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: out of a speeding ticket? No, nobody's there.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: Now, I mean, it's hard to say, like, you know,
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: have you been blackballed or not been asked to do
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: as many things as you would think? Or maybe you're
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: no longer at the top of the list to play
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: the mom and the whatever. Do you do you have
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: some pretty clear understanding that that might be the case?
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: I think, you know.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: It's a hard thing to say. It is. Because it's
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: an unprovable thing.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like when people are like, when I
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if I was blackballed, but
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: like I never, you know, got no longer these things
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: weren't happening for me and I just had to accept
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: it because there isn't necessarily a blackball. There's just one
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: person saying no.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: No, I don't want that person here. No, that's not
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: what I want. Or maybe having her on screen will
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: trigger people at home because she's associated with something else.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Who's associated to somebody else that the world, that half
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: the world hates.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: Right. Which is, which is quite possible.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? It's like, it's quite possible.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's, it's, uh, especially I would imagine if
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: you were, if your spouse is a high profile person, that's, uh, Yeah,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: some people really love and some people really don't. I mean,
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: maybe you're right. It's like, I don't know. I don't
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: know what people are saying behind closed doors, but it's
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: quite possible. But also, I have people calling me, offering
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 2: me things.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: And are any of those people people that might have
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: been at one time in your position or currently and
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: they're like, don't let this bother you. Like, I've been there.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: I wasn't getting nominated for the things. I was blackballed
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: at one time. I was, you know, on that side
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: and had to keep it a secret.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say yes to that. Right. I mean,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody who very successful is, you know,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: producing more very successful things and said, yeah. I mean,
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: I basically moved out of L.A. because. people are so mad.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: So was this person still in the closet or no?
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: The closet of their politics? Of politics?
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, but I think they've moved to
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: a place where that doesn't come first.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: So now this person has moved to literally a different
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: city where, you know, people are like, oh, what are
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: you making next? What are you shooting next? And it's not...
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: I don't even... I don't think politics... it comes into
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: it at all. I mean, I've never, I've never been
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: a person to ask anybody about their politics. I don't
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: know what, I have never asked somebody who they voted for.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: The first time I realized, and I had no idea,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: I was so naive or whatever, is I was guest
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: starring on something. It might've been, I can't remember what
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: it was. I didn't have that many guest stars, so whatever.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: And I just remember it was like the third day
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: of the week long thing. And Bush had won or
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: something was going on. I think that was the time
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: we didn't know if it was going to be Bush
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: or Gore, like lasted weeks or whatever. And that's when
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, everybody feels one way.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: And interesting. Right. Like everybody feels one way and is
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: all voicing that one way. And if anyone didn't feel
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: that way, I, you know, oh. okay you wouldn't say
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: it yeah don't don't say it because it can be
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: interpreted and it can you know stick with you forever
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: and now you have like this label i guess a
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: set of a scarlet letter a it's a scarlet letter
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: r or something i don't know and then it's just
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: and then even you're like no that's not true that's
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: not the way i feel or whatever and it's like
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: they're just trying to like you know it's like a
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: witch hunt literally like a sailor it's like what does
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: it matter and like what do you care and um
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: And then sometimes it's like, oh, that person has the
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 1: luxury to say what they want, what they feel. Yeah.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: That could be fun. Right. That could be fun to
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: have the luxury to say what I just know that
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: you're so above it. But I kind of feel like
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: with you now, you know, obviously you love acting. It's
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: something you've dreamt and wanted to do your whole life.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: And it took a long time to get there. You know,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: first 10 years here was not, you know, a success story.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: So it's not like overnight, you know, showed up. But
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: is there a part of you at all that's just like, oh, well,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: fuck you. Like then, you know what? I'll take a
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: little break from it and I'm going to enjoy this
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: part of my life. And like, it'll all be there
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: when I come back. Yeah. And if it, or not,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: or I'll do, or I'll produce my own things or like,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: is there any of that? Like, cause you've already accomplished
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: so much. You've been to all the award shows. You've
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: been in the movies, you've been in the things.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: So like, yeah, there was a time when I, I,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: I wasn't ready for change. I didn't want things to change.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: Like you said, I, I, I worked really hard. I
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: was very focused on my career and I've worked with
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: great people. I've done, you know, really fun projects and
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: I was not ready for that to change. And so
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: when Bobby started running, I was like, I don't know
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: if I'm, this is going to change everything. I don't
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: know how. I don't know if I'm ready. And I
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: talk about that in the book too, right? There are
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: moments in your life where you're like, I'm just not
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: ready for what's about to happen. Can I have a minute?
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: And the universe says, no, you can't. And so it's
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: a lot of, you know, self-reflection and just saying, okay,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: change is coming. So you either embrace it or you're
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: going to be really unhappy. You're just going to always
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: be unhappy. Yeah. Because you don't know what, you don't
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: know how it's going to work out. But odds are
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: it is not going to work out the way you think.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know one person who thinks, oh,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: that's going to work out exactly this way and then
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: it unfolds that way. So I'm at a place now where, yeah,
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: I'm completely fine with however it works out. You know
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: what I mean? It will– I'm producing a film with
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: my ex-husband.
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: And– Having a lot of fun doing it. And whatever
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: is going to unfold is going to unfold. And you're right.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: I have done a lot of things that I dreamed
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: of doing. So that's great. So I don't feel like, oh,
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: my God, I never had the chance to do that
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: one thing. So, you know, if people feel like, and
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think they do. I'm sure there are individuals.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I hope she never works
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: again in her life.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: It's like, I will be okay.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: I'm okay. Like, I have a really fun life. I
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: always have, even when I didn't have an acting job,
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: even when I was, you know, 25 and struggling.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have a lot of that in common,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: is that I've enjoyed the journey the whole way. Yeah. And,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: you know, and when I've been sad, I'm grateful that I...
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: knew the reason why. Yeah. I didn't suffer from any
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, mental depression or whatever.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: And it was just very get up and go and
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: be positive and like laugh about it. And I think
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: that's like what we connected and you're very spiritual and
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: you could see in the, in the book. And like
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: I said, a lot of the, what do you call it?
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: Prayer manifestation universe, the way things lined up is like, yeah,
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: very intriguing as we get to this age of like
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: oh my god you know.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting because that happens yes that happens so
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: that thing could happen.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: Right exactly and like the lack of then where you're
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: like oh my god my you know my regrets are
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: minimal and my regrets are just like oh I should
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: have gone to that wedding or whatever and but they're
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: not you know they're not huge they're not the big
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: the regrets of yesteryear you're like are no longer a
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: regret because you're like oh if that hadn't exactly what
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: you're saying um you know, and with, yeah, with everything
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: of what you're doing now. And, and like, I do
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: want to say like, now I was always intrigued by
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: the Kennedys. I watched every Lifetime movie about Jackie O.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: I was obsessed with JFK Jr. Like, you know, I
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: like just so intrigued by it all. Like, and I want,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: one of my questions was, you know, was that you?
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: Cause some people say, oh, Meghan Markle said Harry who?
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: Is he kind? You know, and they're like, you knew
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: who Harry was. You had Diana's book by your bed
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: in college. What was your relationship of knowing the history
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: of the Kennedy family as far as just pop culture knowledge?
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: No, I really didn't know anything other than what I'd
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: learned in school.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: So, you know, I knew John Kennedy, the president. I
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: barely knew Robert Kennedy was the attorney general.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Also, never.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 2: never showed up on my radar. I was never a
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: person that was where we'd sit around and talk about Jackie.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: I just don't know. I didn't know anything about them. And, um,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: I know it's, you know, it's probably worked to my advantage.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: It's cause I, I just remember that was my mom's.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: That's why my mom's, I remember my mom said when
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: she married my dad, she was like, that was like
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: the first time she voted. They voted different. She was
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: voted for. Kennedy and he voted for Nixon and she
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if this marriage is going
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: to work. Clearly it did. It's not going to work.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 1: You know, we're together until they die. You could do that.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: With your spouse.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: And it wouldn't be this like thing.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well now this, okay, my guy didn't win,
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: like whatever. Yeah. And it just doesn't feel like that
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: for a lot of people.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: But yeah.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: So you weren't all, you weren't the person that was
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: reading all the stuff.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: Not at all. Not at all. I didn't know. I
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: really didn't know. It just seemed like a far away,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: you know, people far away doing something on a beach
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: or something. It's like, that's not my life.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: And how is your daughter's relationship with her stepfather?
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: It's really good. I mean, there definitely have been times
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: that were hard. Because I don't know that many kids
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: want their parent to run for president. You know? Because
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: it's so out of your control. Yeah. I mean, I
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: felt like that as a wife.
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: It's so out of my control. This isn't my life.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I want to run for president.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: Are people cruel to her?
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: You know, I think once in a while somebody online
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: will say something.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: Everyone can be brave online.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: Yes. But in real life, I mean, she's such a lovely, smart,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: funny girl that I don't think I've never seen anybody
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: be mean to her. I mean, people aren't mean to
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: me either. They're mean to Bobby.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: You said you've been in public where like and you
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: said the demographic of people that come and tell them
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: to fuck you are middle aged.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: White women.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm going to get one on, I'm going to
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: get one on camera one of these days. I got to,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: and I can't.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: So you'll just be like eating, like enjoying a Chinese
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: chicken salad.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: He's having his, you know, lean meat.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: Or whatever he eats.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. And then I heard the sauerkraut thing. That
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: was very funny. I have heard that sauerkraut and things
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: like that is really like a good diuretic for everybody.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: But anyway, so he's into eating that. So he brings
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: that with him sometimes. Yes. You guys are just having
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: a meal and someone just comes up. And what does
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 1: he do? Just smile? What does he say?
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 2: Just sits there and listens. And it does not have
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: the effect that the person is hoping it will.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: Because they end up looking crazy. And, I mean, it's
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: kind of comical.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: Because when they walk away, you're like, holy shit. Did
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: everybody see that? But it's, you know, sometimes... Yeah, I
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: think I say in the book that we were at
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: some restaurant and some woman said something on her way
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: out and nobody even looked up from dinner. They're just like, well,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: there goes the crazy lady. So it's weird.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: It's strange. And I don't think people realize you've been
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: married since 2014. Yeah, we've been married for a long time.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: For 11 years. And so when the.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: Digital scandal of this girl saying that she was interviewing him,
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: your husband, and there was flirtation going on. And it
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 1: was very weird how it came about. I was suspect
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: to how it came out because it was like her husband,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: who she's divorcing, said, went to her boss who said,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: I saw this weird thing. And, you know, and it's
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: the height of.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: Well, the election was happening in two months.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Bobby's appearing dangerous to... possibly be successful in this situation. And,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: but what was that like? I mean, when you, when
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: you had to wake up to that latest.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: Thing, I was, uh, I mean, by that point, you know,
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: he'd been running for a year and a half. He was,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: he had, um, endorsed a Donald Trump and people were
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: going crazy. People were going crazy already. So there were
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: already so many stories. So many headlines that were just...
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: You learn to not even pay attention to them. But
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: that one, I was in Italy with my girls. And
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: then this... story breaks and I'm like, I, I, I can't,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: I can't hear one more. This is too much. This
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: felt like too much. I was just like, it's such
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: a circus. Yeah. That running for president is such a circus. And,
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: you know, election day was November 5th.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: And, And you were in Europe with your daughter and
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: your stepdaughter.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 2: My stepdaughter, yeah.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: I love that you say my girls and my children,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: and I'm a stepmother too, and I refer to my
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: daughter as my daughter. She calls me mom. Like, you know,
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: it's all lovely, and I love that they're close too.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I see. So you were just like... I
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: was just like a kid.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: You all sound crazy. That's how it felt.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: And I.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: You know, I stayed with my daughters and we had
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: a good time. And then when I got back, I
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: was just when I got back, it was just like
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: a stop down with Bobby. Just like, tell me everything.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: What is going on? And then, you know, we got
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: to the truth of what was going on. And then
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: that felt like.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, OK.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: And what what do you think is the truth? That
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: it was like a setup thing?
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm not the, I couldn't know this person.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know this person. That's a question for somebody else.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got it.
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: But everything about it was, it's a lot of, like
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: you were saying, even to try to get to the
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: bottom of it, it just turns into a strange rabbit
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: hole of, Yeah. This thing happened. This person said this thing.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: And then it just gets exhausting.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: And I'm just like, I can't. I'm not interested.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: Now, has there been any like holiday party of a
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: celebrity person you've worked with that you've been invited to
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: every year? And then like last year, you just like
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: didn't hear. And then you opened up Instagram and it
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: was still going on. And you're like, oh, it's gone
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: for the last nine years. I wonder what happened to
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: my invite.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: Checking my mailbox. Like, it's got to be in here. No,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: I don't have that. But listen, yeah, I do have
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: friends that... I have, you know, two friends from the
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: Sunday company that I've been friends with for this long
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: and they're not talking to me. And it's like, okay.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, you'll tell me after. I'll tell you after. Well,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: I have to tell you one last funny thing before
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: we close.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 3: So.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: When I was at Chelsea, you know, like I said,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: we're busy. I don't live in your neighborhood. I don't
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: see you, but like I love for you and everything.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: And I get this email to go to your birthday party.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: And I literally just told my friend Kate Casey, I go,
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: I'm interviewing Cheryl and she's a great podcaster too. And
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: I go, I don't know. I'm going to ask her
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: because until I read this part in your book, I, okay,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: so this is what happened.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: I get an invitation to go to Cheryl's birthday party.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 1: And it seemed like it was like a big year
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: or something. And it was a pool party barbecue, bring
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: your favorite exotic animal. So I thought it was Cheryl
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: just being funny, but I thought it's going to be
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: a beautiful pool party in this house in Brentwood. And
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: of course I want to go because I'm not hanging
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: out with this side of Hollywood as much. And I
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: want to like reconnect with the growling type people. And
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: oh my God, I'll see all the important people that
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: might say, oh, Heather would be good for that. Okay.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 1: You know, she's not in the 818. She's over here
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: looking cute. So anyway, I was like, and then like
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: shortly after this email comes and it's like, my daughter
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: hacked my email. This party is not happening, whatever. And
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, and I remember thinking, how old
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: is that daughter? Like, how could she do this?
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: And so then time went on and I have to
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: tell you, I convinced myself that there was somebody else
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: that my email is heatherdebias at hotmail.com. I've had it
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: since before I was married. I have other emails. But
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: that's where it came. And I go, I wonder if
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: she had a friend named Heather Debbins or whatever. And
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: somehow she invited me and she didn't really mean to
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: invite me. I really did think that until I read
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: it in the book last night.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: That is so crazy.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: And I'm sitting at like 11 at night and I'm like,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: oh my God, I really was.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: Invited.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I wasn't. I was invited by your daughter. You
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: never had the party. But I'm like, it wasn't a mistake.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: It wasn't a mistake.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: That's so funny.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: But like how you just... Get in your hat. But
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: I still was like, I still love Cheryl. I'm still
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: going to ask her to come on Juicy Scoop. I
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: still support her.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it didn't make me go, oh, fuck you, whatever.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: That is so crazy. And then I still also.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: Wondered because people were saying, oh, Cheryl and Tig's show
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: is so funny. And at one time they tried to
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: call you or something. You had a phone number. And
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh. And then I listened to it
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: and Tig was like, Heather's not relevant. Something like that.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: She's like, nobody might like you're the average person wouldn't
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: know who Heather McDonald is or something like that. And
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: I remember I just heard it and I was like,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: you know, I know I'm not on a TV show.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: I know I'm not, you know, at the level of
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: that part. But I was like, I do fucking pretty
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: well for myself. And I was like, okay. So then
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: when someone was like, no, you really need to call
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: into their show. I was like, no, I think they
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: might be like, like mocking my, my pod, like being like,
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: you know, like, I don't know. And I know, and
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: I didn't really let it get too much to me,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: which is why I was like, when I saw your
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: book and I want you to come on.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: Because we were talking, there was some documentary that I
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: knew that you had a connection to her.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my God, we've got to
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: call Heather. But I don't remember what happened. I think
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: I tried to call.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: You, no?
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: No, you did. People said it was funny and I just, whatever,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: didn't see it.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, but like Tig was.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: Probably just saw, like, you know, if I have your number,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: it's probably just 310-whatever. I, like, didn't have it in
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: my thing because it had been so long.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: I was in no way mocking you. I was just like,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: Heather would know.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: No, and when I heard it, it wasn't you. It
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: was kind of... And I was like, you know, like, whatever. Like, I,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: you know, like, I know, like, there's times where I'm like,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes people see me as like, oh, that's,
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: that's that crazy bitch that talks about housewives, whatever, you know?
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, but I know like my life is
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: great and I know like what I've done, but I
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: was just sort of like, okay, you know, like whatever.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: But I, but still, I, I still always knew you were.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 1: I always knew you and I knew how sweet you
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: were and I knew what you did for your nephew.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that to anybody but especially you.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: People don't know the terrible stuff that you always did.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: Your nephew had cerebral palsy. You were so involved in
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: that and I remember seeing it and all of that.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: I remember when Ken Polk died and the stuff that
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: you know, we put together and that you were a
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: big part of his memorial. And you've just always been
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: that nice person, you know, that said, I was like,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: so I was just kind of like, Oh, I think
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: that was just whatever it was. And I'm so glad
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: I didn't let it get to me to the point
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: where I was like, not, you know, but I was
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: a little confused by it, but I wasn't like, well, Hey,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: you know, we hadn't been in touch on, on the
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: way that we were 20 years ago. Yeah. But I
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: was still really happy for your journey.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: But yeah.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: We're having a truth circle. First of all, I would
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: never do that to you. I would never. I think
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: you are amazing and I'm really proud of you for
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: what you've created, who you are. I mean, you've created
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: something really special and I think it's unbelievable. And when I,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: because I did send you that, um, When I saw
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: the picture of the women smelling people's armpits.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, my God, this makes me
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 2: think of Heather. And I sent it to you, but
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: you never responded.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: I never saw it.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, because I was like.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: I never saw it until I wrote you and said, oh,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: my God, you have a book coming out. You have
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: to come on my show. Well, it's funny. And come
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: before it comes out.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: Well, Heather, because I was like, when I sent that
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: to you, it wasn't that long ago. No, I looked.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: And when I was going through the stuff, I was like, oh, fuck,
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: I missed this.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, Heather's turned.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 5: Oh no.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, she's not speaking to me.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, look at us.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: But, but just, but just to be, because also in
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: this business, you always wonder like, what was it? You know,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: like I always say when people go, I don't know
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: if I flipped my hair in someone's face in an
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: elevator in 1998 and they've hated me ever since. And
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: they could. And then sometimes it's something bigger. And sometimes
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: it's just a miscommunication.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: A mis-DM, a whatever. Right, right.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: A misunderstanding.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: Someone's relaying to me what they, like, heard on the show,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: What they thought they heard. Yeah, and that's what I
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: always hate.
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: Not when people say they talked about you. Sometimes I
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: don't bother to listen. But I go and listen before.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: And then I go, oh, God, they weren't dissing me. Yeah. Like,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: who cares? Everyone has a podcast. We all talk. I
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: heard what you said about me on your podcast is, like,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: the name of my next book. Like, everyone talks about
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: each other now. A lot of times we talk. Yeah.
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: We used to talk behind people's backs. Now we just
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: put a mic and fucking let it rip. Yeah. No,
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  Speaker 1: I would never. And I felt really badly like watching
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: that view thing. And I felt that you came off great.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: And I just, I, you know, and I admire like
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  Speaker 1: to the point where you're like, you know what? Enough.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: Because so many of us in this business and during
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: this time have like cowered and has been like, oh,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you can't. I don't want to say anything
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: because- This business is hard enough.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: You can't give people a reason to say no to you.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: You learn that early as an actor.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: Don't be late. Know your lines. Take direction.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 2: Have a good attitude. Don't give people a reason to
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: not cast you, to not hire you. So, you know,
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 2: there is that going on. And like you said, you
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: can feel it.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: Like if somebody says, I remember after Donald Trump won,
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: the first time, and I was in a green room
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: with a bunch of actors. They were all saying, you know,
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: I can't believe it. And one guy said, oh yeah,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: I voted for Trump. And it was like whiplash. Everybody
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: looked and like, and everybody stopped talking to this person.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: And I said, I said, that's, I said, why did
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: you vote? You know, we, and I had a conversation
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: with him because I thought it was interesting and interesting
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: that he was perfectly at ease with saying that when it,
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: He just created a huge reaction from everybody. I thought
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: the whole situation was, you know, eye-opening. I had no idea.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: I honestly had no idea there was that.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: Like I said, I've lived in L.A. my whole life,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: and I didn't really understand it until I started to work.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: And then I remember someone saying, my friend had a
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: husband who was a director and he was a Mormon.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: And I went to her house and she had a
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: big bottle of champagne. She goes, here, do you want this?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: And she goes, every time my husband gets a job
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: directing his agent sends him a big bottle of champagne.
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: And I go, why doesn't he know that he's Mormon?
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: And he goes, she's like, no, and don't ever tell anybody.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: And don't, you know, and I'm like, what? Like, this
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: is so weird. Like that you're like pretending like to
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: be this other person. And so I'm like, okay, so, um, Yeah,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: and I thought it was like a joke. Like I
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: thought it was people being dramatic when they talked about like, oh,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: there's a secret group and da-da-da and keep your mouth shut.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, come on, who cares, you know?
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: And then it proved to be true. And then it's like,
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: you know, no matter what you did or said, they
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: just are trying to, you know. And so then I
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: was just like, you know what? And so then with
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: this show, there was a day in 2016 where I'm like,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: I'm just never going to talk. And it was hard
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: to come up with topics sometimes that were not political.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: There was some funny-ass shit that happened that I would
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: have loved to have talked about making fun of all
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: the different sides. And I just was like, I'm not
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: going to do this because I just want this to
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: be the escape of... And so then even with having
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: you on, I go, I know this is going to
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: be a controversial thing. And I'm like, finally... Fuck off.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: I don't care. Yeah. You're my friend. The book is great.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: Very interesting. Interesting life. I hope you enjoy living in
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 1: both places. I hope another book comes out after. I
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: think this could be a great movie, like, about your life.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: I think it could be a really interesting movie. And,
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: you know, and whatever happens a couple years from now, like...
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: We'll always have each other. We'll always have each other.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: We'll always have Sunday. We'll always have the Sky Bar.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: We'll always have the Sky Bar. You'll always have your
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: family and, like, the rest of it. Yeah. Who cares? Yeah.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: It's going to come and go.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: And things, like, happen. There's such big things, you know. Oh,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: my God, we'll never get over this. And then, like,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: sometimes you just keep your mouth shut. A week later,
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: they've all moved on to something else. It is true. Yeah.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: It's true.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: I had a group of haters, and then I stopped
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: addressing them. And then I realized they went over to
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: this other girl I know. And I saw her being like, rah, rah.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh, God, they're the same ones I— literally,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, they're the same ones I've had. And they
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: went over to you. Just like— But it is hard.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: And when you see it, it's hard to always be
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: like that. And it takes a lot to just go
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: and enjoy yourself.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: And anyway, the book is very good and I can't
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: wait to finish it. And you talk about some really
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: profound things. And oh, the last thing I was going
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: to say is I also think it was interesting. You're
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: raised Catholic. I remember that about us. I, too. And
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: of course, the Kennedys are Catholic. Yeah. And I also
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: thought Ethel must have liked that.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess. We hardly talked about religion, though.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: But even if you're not practicing in the sense that
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: you're going to Mass every day, it's like there's something,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: there's an understanding. Like a shared value. There's like an
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: understanding of that kind of Catholic guilt that makes you
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: sometimes go.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: Fall in line.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, or feel guilty.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: Feel guilty.
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: We have to take Marie to the Sky Bar. I
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: still feel very guilty.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: That is so funny. I'm going to tell her that
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: you said that.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: I feel really bad. I know. And when I saw
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: her years ago and she was telling me like all
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: the stuff she was doing and she was like working
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: reality TV. And I was like, oh, good. She's not
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: mad about the sky bar.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: No. That's so funny. You know what that reminds me of?
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 2: One time, this is a long time ago. I went
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: on Jimmy Kimmel. Long, long time ago. And I made
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: a joke, you know, about his toupee. And because I
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: didn't think he wore a toupee. I was just, you know,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: making a joke, like his hair looked funny or something.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: And then when I got home, I thought, oh, my God,
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 2: what if he does wear a toupee? And I just
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: said that on live television. And I worried about it
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: until the next time I went on his show. And
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: then during commercial break, I leaned over and said, I'm
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: so sorry that I said that about your toupee. And
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: he goes, I don't wear a toupee. I said, oh.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought. But then I said that joke
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: and he's like, I have no idea what you're talking about.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: He said, have you been carrying this around for years?
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: I said, I have.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: I felt so badly. I didn't want to hurt your feelings.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: He's like, Cheryl, let it go. I don't have a toupee.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares. No, but we're just so similar like that.
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: Like that there's a weird thing that'll just kind of
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: haunt me. Like that was not nice.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm going to forgive you right now.
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: I would have said the models had a plus one.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Then both the roommates could have come and they could
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: have squeezed on the back of my Toyota Celica. Oh
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: my God. Everybody, the book is unscripted. You're going to
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: go and pre-order right now so that you're going to
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: get it on Tuesday, November 11th. They always come out
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: on Tuesday. It'll make the bestseller list the following Tuesday,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: you'll know.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see. It doesn't matter.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: I think it will. And because it's funny, it's intriguing,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: it's spiritual, it's sad. There's some very sad parts. And yeah,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: I loved it. And thank you for coming and staying
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: for so long. Thank you, Heather. And everybody, follow Cheryl on... Right?
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: What's your Instagram?
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: I think it's like underscore Cheryl Hines.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Very easy. You guys, unscripted. And of course, go
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: to heathermcdolland.net. I have just a few tickets left for
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: my Vegas show, so you better go. November 14th.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 4: Bye.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Love you. Thank you.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 4: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 4: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 4: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 4: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 4: till Christmas, which makes budgeting less stressful. I can buy
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: in-store or online from Macaulay.ie for home delivery or free
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 4: click and collect.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: So easy.
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 4: Gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.