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Ep. 114 Scandals, Snubs, and Casting Calls · The Hack Box

• MAS: Big applause. Don: Let's get right into it. Let's start off with blind ranking. Let's do a blind ranking of NFL scandals. So I'ma name a couple of scandals, you guys had to come to the decision of where you wanna rank So once you get to the next one, you can't change the old spot. Brev: I gotta think of MAS: All Brev: the scandals first. MAS: I can think of like three, so I'm tapped out, so I'm gonna have to need some help with this. Don: you, Moss? Brev: I think I know what one would be, so I think I'm gonna wait. Don: Josh? No, not again. What'd you say? Brev: I think I know what one's gonna be. Don: Josh, he's trying to talk, I can't hear him. Boy. Brev: Yeah, he's bad for it. Don: Shit's not working, Josh. You gotta change behavior. You gotta do something. Brev: Check your mic audio. Josh, can't hear you, MAS: Nah, JRD: I'm fucking stupid, bro. MAS: figure. JRD: How about now? Brev: my god. MAS: You hide yourself muted bro? Are you drunk again? JRD: Yeah. Brev: Yeah. JRD: It's because yeah, no I I I forgot I muted it when you said we're picking up the background so I wanted to go turn the fan off. Don: Okay. did you understand what we're doing? JRD: I understand what we're doing, yeah. Don: So the first one I'm gonna mention also, one is gonna be the worst out of the group and five is the least. Okay? Number Brev: Alright. Don: one. Michael Vicks dogfighting scandal. MAS: So we're not talking like JRD: yeah. MAS: game stuff. We're not just all Don: It's it's talking about scandals of NFL players. MAS: you Brev: I'm thinking either three or four. MAS: I'm saying four. Don: Four. JRD: I'll MAS: And that's just for all the dog lovers out there. Cause in JRD: s I'll I'm okay with four. Yeah, I'm okay with four. MAS: my heart, I want to say five, but I know all the dog lovers would be like, that's gotta be number one. But. Brev: Nah, I'm a dog lover, but I know, it can't be number JRD: No, and Don: He Brev: one. JRD: it's it's more so. Don: mind you, he did do mind you, he did do jail time for this. JRD: No, but I I will say it has Brev: I'll time. JRD: a lot to do, like, did he actually do it, you know? I think they wanted to make an example Don: He did time. Brev: You JRD: He's the he's a black man. Just saying. I didn't they wanted to MAS: He faced the jury and was committed, right? JRD: I didn't they wanted to make an example out of him. He wasn't there when it happened. know. He wasn't there when it happened. Brev: what was it? Was he like breeding Don: Okay, so Brev: dogs to fight or was he just putting money down for it? JRD: Neither. They were just it just happened at one of his homes. His cousin was there. It was yeah, allegedly. Don: I'm gonna say yeah, I think he was just hosting it. He was hosting that shit. JRD: It was it just happened at his house. MAS: Well essentially you're saying he went to jail for something that he allegedly did. JRD: Yeah, and the way he said it too, like he never denied it, but he was like, That's what we do out here. Like which is he wasn't PR trained, I I'm assuming. 'Cause he he MAS: so he essentially said he's not against it, but he also didn't say that JRD: Yeah. MAS: he did it. Don: It just didn't look good. Also, I'm just saying like a a lot of the people JRD: Yeah. We didn't look good. And it happened at his house. Don: on this list didn't go to jail for their scandals. MAS: or Brev: I'll probably go four. I think it's safe for the first choice. Don: Four? What about you, Josh? JRD: Hmm. Don: Four? JRD: I'm gonna say four as well. MAS: Josh has to say four easy ones, too much. Brev: Yeah. Don: This is the next one. Flight Gate. MAS: to. Don: Two JRD: Five. Brev: I want to put it at one because it directly affected my team, but. JRD: That's not even the worst thing he has done on the past. He was still the signals. Don: The flag gay, number number two. JRD: No. Five. Don: That's like legit cheating in the game, bro. How many championships they win off that shit? Brev: Let's put it. JRD: It's not the most it's it's not even the worst thing he the Pats did for cheating. I know I I Don: Well, it's part of cheating. It's cheating. It's cheating on the run. JRD: I'll say it again, I'll say it again. It's not even the worst cheating scandal that the Pats have. Don: I understand, yes. Do you have the spike gate also? JRD: So how yeah, so how can it be one if like he's done something worse than that? You know Don: Who said it was number one? JRD: the Brev said number one or two. How can it be two if he if Brev: Because it was against the cults. JRD: biased. I respect Brev: Yeah, Don: Yeah. JRD: him. Brev: for sure, Miles. Realistically, MAS: We say too. Brev: I'll put it at three. JRD: Three? No. No, it's not where it's a dollar. It's at five. It's five. Don: Three? You guys think this is worse than dogfighting? Not the actor dog fighting, but Michael and Michael Vicks dogfighting. MAS: You need to Brev: free. MAS: leave. Don: It's it's it's the integrity of the game at that point. Michael Big shit is at least outside of football. Brev: Yeah, I'm putting it at three. I don't think I want to put it at five. He did get suspended for it, Tom Brady. Don: Yeah. JRD: Dang went to court too. Brev: Yeah. Don: So number number three. JRD: No. MAS: Three. Don: you tha I feel like that's the best middle ground 'cause you say five, mine says two JRD: Right. Don: and breath says three. Brev: Yeah, let's put that one at three for now. Or I guess it has to stay there, but let's just put it at three. Yeah. JRD: no. Don: The Flight Gate Three. Alright. Next one. Bounty. Bounty Gate. When the Saints were paying people extra to hurt players. Niners were part of that run too. What was that? Twelve eleven, twelve twelve? Yeah. We still beat that ass in the playoffs. MAS: I read it. Brev: Yeah, Frank Gore was, yeah, they were targeting Frank Gore. Yeah, JRD: Yeah, bro. Brev: the audio was MAS: Amen. Brev: crazy. I telling him to like go after, hey, he has a hurt ankle, go after his ankle. That was crazy. Was that their Super Bowl run too? Don: It's ridiculous. Also question the integrity of the game. Nah, that's when they they lost to the Niners that year. Well how long did they do it for? Brev: okay. JRD: That was twenty twelve, right? Brev: I wanna say it was no. JRD: nine to like twenty fifteen probably. Brev: Yeah. Don: It was for sure twenty twelve was when they played the the Niners in the playoffs. We beat them and then we JRD: They've Yeah. I think for like Don: lost to the we lost Brev: Yeah. Don: to the Giants in the next round and then the Giants went on to play the Patriots. But I think that game was also the greatest game I've ever seen in my life. Niners versus the Saints. Brev: Mm. That's tough. That's, it gotta be either one or two, honestly. JRD: What? MAS: I would say, yeah. JRD: No, bro, not now I gotta put my foot down, bro. No, bro. Don: Ha ha Brev: What? JRD: You you no no, you're honestly being ridiculous. Brevin, you have played football. Don: You have one, two, or five. JRD: No, you you got are you telling me Brev: So you think it's five. JRD: Yeah, 100%. Are you they just got caught. Do you really think that our only team I know it doesn't matter if they're whatever, but are you telling me that our only team that's done that? You don't think that happens every single year? Be honest. Don: They're just the ones that got caught. JRD: In every sport. Have you seen Karate Kid? Like come on. MAS: That's sweet to me. JRD: Yeah, sweep the knee. That shit's fucking Don: Yeah. Okay. JRD: normal. They just got caught. It's the only thing that ha Don: In their defense, it is a violent sport also. So like you can I JRD: It is a violent sport. Come on. Brev: Yeah, I get it. Don: there there could be a lot of players that are intentionally, like in their mind, I'm gonna hurt this dude, this next play. It's just not a big s big thing about it. JRD: Yes. Mm-hmm. Yes. Brev: Yeah. Yeah. MAS: Are you a fireman? JRD: Right? Come on. Like you don't think you don't think Brev: So you want to put it at five, Josh. JRD: I do. You don't think that Baltimore team that was a one? That one defense? You don't think Brev: huh. JRD: the lead the the Legion of Boom? The Legion of Boom? Wasn't a target wasn't MAS: You JRD: a targeting people? They were trying to hurt people? Come on. B Brev, you know about football. Don: it didn't cut though. Brev: Hey, the Legion of Boom played a great brand of football. They were... JRD: They were caught the legion of boom. They were caught the lesion of boom. They weren't caught the Don: Even even that forty niner team during that era, Brev: I know. JRD: the legion of their hits. Don: like Dante Whitner Brev: Yeah, don't, yeah. They honestly, Don: We'll change the name to Hitner. Brev: but think about the Legion of Boom, Cam Chancellor, he was honestly, I would say a clean player. Don: Yeah, I don't remember them being too dirty either. Brev: Yeah, he was a clean player. MAS: Yeah, I think I'm talking about like, yeah, JRD: Full of time. Don: No, I'm saying that. You say what Moss? MAS: I saying we talk about like injuring players. So what was the bounty exactly like with their giving money for what for injuring players or like Brev: Yeah. Yeah, they were giving them money. Yeah, coaches Don: Yeah, what? JRD: But it's the thing, they weren't given the money, they Brev: were giving the players money. Don: What is it JRD: weren't giving the money to do illegal hits. They were given the money to hit on injured areas. It wasn't like, hit after the whistle. Everyone did Don: Yeah, they're intentionally intentionally trying to injure the opponent, and that was part of the game plan as far as a play action. JRD: Yes, yes, yes, yes. MAS: That's what I'm saying. So we think that other players are doing that. I don't doubt that they're doing that, but getting paid for it is the next level. That's what I'm saying. Don: Yeah, it's definitely it's on a grander scheme. But he's saying the act itself isn't as bad as MAS: Yeah, football, it's a contact sport, so like, that stuff can happen accidentally. Brev: I get it, yeah, it definitely probably happens. It probably still happens today, but. JRD: What's it? Don: They got caught for it and it's a scandal. So where are you putting it? MAS: If you guys can die, I feel like if you can get two other ones that are worse then, yeah. Don: We still got we still got two more after this. You you think there's anything worse than what'd you guys have at three is the highest? Brev: Three is Deflategate, MAS: Yeah. Brev: four is Michael Vick. JRD: Exactly. See you guys your numbers Don: It in this one. JRD: are already messed up to begin with, bro. Everything's no, but e and exactly everything's Brev: No, it's worse than, it's worse than this too. Don: Too late, can't go back. MAS: Josh, me a question. JRD: bad to I'm sorry, but everything's bad for Brevin right now. Everything's number one, it seems that way. They're scandals. They're gonna be bad. Yes. MAS: John, do you know of two other ones that are worse than this though? For sure. Don: Don't don't list 'cause we got the list coming up, but can you think that you think you could lay So you say five? JRD: Yes. So so yes, I can pick up. MAS: Yeah, just... Okay, alright, let's move on. Alright, let's move on. Don: Okay. So what JRD: Yes, five. Don: is it now? We got five, Brev: We're putting it at five? All MAS: 3, 4, 5. Brev: right, let's put it at five. Don: Three four five, yeah. All right, next one. Ray Rice punching his girlfriend in the elevator. So funny. JRD: Hmm Hmm Hmm MAS: Ha! JRD: He knocked her out, dragged her out the elevator. MAS: Yeah, camera is crazy. Brev: Yeah, that would have been a bad decision to put that at five, bro. That would have been a bad decision to put that at five. No, I said it would have been a bad position if we had to put it at five, yeah, for sure. Don: You'd put this at five? okay. They put that at five. So is this one MAS: If we had to. Don: or two? We got one more after this. Can it get worse? Brev: Shit, think about what one could be. Let's think about what one could be. MAS: I trust Josh. I'm not gonna lie when it Don: Two? Two? JRD: Fuel. MAS: comes to scandals Josh knows him JRD: It's true. Don: Ha ha. Brev: If we're looking at, all right, so Josh, if you had to pick one, what's worse, Ray Rice or OJ? JRD: Don't get me started on OJ. We gotta skip that. Don't get me Brev: that's right. JRD: started on OJ. Yeah, MAS: That can't seem to be the next one he had, we don't even know. JRD: yeah, don't don't get me started on OJ. Don: It was gonna be OJ. I told you not to list it because it was gonna be OJ. But I'm knocking that one out. Number one will be the Aaron Hernandez murder screen scandal. MAS: I still think JRD: Yeah. MAS: that's number one though. JRD: It is. I mean, see you down, bruv. Brev: That has to be one. JRD: You so gung ho MAS: I've ruined it! JRD: ruined it. Brev: What? What? I actually think... Don: Is that is that on the sour list? MAS: Can't play nothing with Brev, bruh. JRD: Yeah. You were trying to think you're not supposed to think Brev: What? First of all, I didn't even agree on a ranking for the last one. JRD: of head out loud. But it's in your mind, hmm, what could be higher? You trying to game plan. Brev: No way, what's our order right now? What's our order? Don: So you have Aaron Hernandez as the worst. Number two, Ray Rice. JRD: Health last one. Don: Number three, the Flake Gate. Number four, the dog fighting Michael Vick. And number five was MAS: targeting and bounty yet. JRD: That's not that bad. We did a pretty good job. Yeah, we did a pretty good job. Brev: That's not that bad, yeah. If anything, I would Don: It's actually not that bad. MAS: It's not, but you ruined the drop, bro. Brev: switch Bounty and Michael Vick. MAS: Cause the moment we heard OJ Don: Mm-hmm. MAS: would have been like, yeah, we got this list perfect, bro. Brev: Yeah. JRD: Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Don: Wait, you put you'll put the bounty before Michael Vick? Brev: I would put it before Michael Vick. Don: I dun Michael Vicks is like horrible because he actually did time for it, bro. It's not, but neither is Ray Rice. Neither is Ray Rice. Brev: It's not even football related, bro, honestly. I guess not, lot of other ones aren't, but. JRD: And then we're related. A and And it's still allegedly, and it's still allegedly. You know, I know he lost in court, Brev: Yeah. JRD: but it's still allegedly. Yeah. Don: You got Ray Rice on camera. Right hooking her shit. JRD: Yeah. He he was like a top running back when it happened and then he didn't play again. Don: That was a horrible like domestic violence bro displayed. JRD: It was w it was bad. It was bad. That punch could have knocked all of us out. No, clean one. Not Don: No, not me. I don't gotta go ahead soon, bro. Brev: Yeah, that was mad. JRD: prediction. Full power. He cocked it back. To the to the chin. Yeah, he got the elevator, yeah. Brev: Yeah. He drag her out the elevator? Don: Yeah, he knocked he knocked her up. Like what what were they arguing about, bro? Brev: That's crazy. Don: What were they arguing about? JRD: I don't know. And after you punched Brev: Yeah. JRD: her they were still together. That's crazy. Don: Did he like when he knocked Brev: Yeah. Don: her out, didn't someone walk into the elevator? I haven't seen that shit long time. And like, did he like try to pick her up? Brev: I haven't seen in a while either. JRD: I'm not you mu you mu you might be thinking of the Jay Z one. Yeah, he d he did drag her out. MAS: That one was crazy too. Don: Jay Z in Solange? Brev: No. Yeah. JRD: Yeah. Don: She just slapped him. He didn't hit her back, no? Brev: But the Ray race one is definitely bad because I think he was known like before that was like, you know, like a nice guy, like he was a great running back. Yeah. JRD: He was, he was. A and and yeah. Don: Yeah. A hundred percent. it was Ray Rice. none. JRD: Mm-hmm. There's other worst ones. Who fucking Brev: I don't think the list is that bad. I don't think we got the rankings that bad, honestly. JRD: Ray Lewis has worse scanners. He accidentally shot someone. His driver with a shotgun. That's Brev: He worries. JRD: worse. Brev: Marvin Harrison allegedly ordered a crime or hired a shooter. No, no, hired a shooter, hired a shooter. MAS: Ordered a grind, my pizza. JRD: Yeah, and what on Amazon? Hmm. Yeah, and anything that Hernandez MAS: Hahaha Don: I JRD: did is worse. Anything that Hernandez did. You you can close Don: Yeah, I I think Aaron Hernandez is worse than the OJ. JRD: your eyes and throw a Brev: Yeah. JRD: dart on things that Aaron Hernandez did and which everyone you hit is gonna be number one. MAS: Have you guys seen that Don: In it. MAS: documentary? Don't they have a documentary about that Florida team? JRD: And yeah, and yeah, they do. Brev: Yeah, Don: the Brev: I haven't watched it though, honestly. Don: they do. I haven't watched it either. JRD: That's just bad. The the the the pussy twins, summon twins, them niggas were demons too. There were two twins. Don: yeah. I also think the I think the spy gate was definitely worse. Brev: The Pouncy Brothers? JRD: Pouncy Brothers, yeah. Pancy Brothers, yeah. But I gotta say, I don't think Don: The the spiking JRD: OJ, like I don't think he did it. One hundred percent, like you know. MAS: We already talked about this. no, that's the ghost episode when we talked about this. JRD: Yeah, it it is Don: Okay. Brev: Yeah. JRD: because every we talked about this. I'm not gonna get as deep into it as the last time, but I'm the same. Don: Well, I think OJ's like just like the perfect it's like a scandal, bro. Like when you think a scandal like that is like should pop up in your mind. OJ Simpson trial. JRD: And it happened after his career was w long over. Don: And it's just like and it's so scandalous, MAS: Just the whole news. Yeah, all the news coverage, even the drive like highway checks. Don: Yeah. I definitely think he has some partaking there. I'm not gonna lie. You can't tell me that man's innocent. Brev: You definitely did something, bro. MAS: You'll feel something, huh? Don: I don't know if he actually did the murdering himself, but he has Brev: Hmm? Yeah. MAS: Yeah. Yeah. Don: some foot, toe, finger, inside of this shit. He saw it coming. JRD: I I have two theories that make the most sense, but not gonna get into that. Don: Say for how you really Alright, JRD: Yeah. Or off part. MAS: That's weird. Don: we can switch over. Next segment. JRD: Yeah. Don: We just had a Mari Stuttermeyer get to the Hall of Fame. I personally Yeah, JRD: Clap it up for you know what I'm saying? Or or not. Don: yeah, shout out Mari Stuttermeyer. Brev: Shout out. Don: I personally Brev: Use a dog. Don: I think Omari Salomai was a great player, bro. especially in his prime. But you said MAS: He was a Nick, right? JRD: The Suns. Don: what? MAS: He was with the Knicks? Brev: Nick, sons. He was good on both those teams. JRD: Sons, prime with sons I would Don: Yeah, his prime was definitely JRD: say. Prime Sour Sons. Don: Signs. He went to the Knicks like a little kinda dropped off when he went to the Knicks, but he was still good, I guess. JRD: Yeah. Fun was the shit. Don: Signs when Steve Nash and him, they just never won. JRD: He helped Stephen Ash get a MVPs. Don: Facts. That boy got two of too. JRD: Yeah, cut. Don: But d MAS: What are you saying, he don't deserve it or what? JRD: he no h no no no he doesn't he doesn't deserve it. Everyone Don: I'm I'm gonna ask you guys that do you guys think you deserved it? Brev: He was JRD: knows that. Brev: cold, JRD: He stole one from Kobe and one from LeBron, or one from Shaq. You choose. Those two he did not deserve it. Huh? Okay. He asked the question. Don: No no no no no we're not talking about Steve Nash. We're not we're not talking about Steve Nash. We're talking about Amari Stenmeyer. Did he deserve? Yeah, Amari Sudmeyer, did he deserve MAS: That's what I'm talking about. Don: Hall of Fame? JRD: my apologies Steven Nash. My apologies. Brev: Samari Deserves the Hall of Fame title. MAS: I he's a player that I know. JRD: No, but y h here's the thing, like I think a lot of times when people hear the Hall of Fame, they think it's the NBA Hall of Fame and it's not. It's the basketball hall of fame. And I feel like any Brev: Yeah, it's the basketball. Yeah. Don: It isn't. JRD: NBA player, just MAS: Mm. JRD: negative to the NBA, you can argue should I be in the Hall of Fame or not? Because it's how many NBA players are there MAS: See you later. JRD: a year? But you know, it's it's very little. Whereas like football, you have fifty two players on one team. You know what I'm saying? You have twenty two starters in football. Basketball, you only have five. And it's the highest Brev: Mm-hmm. JRD: level in the world. Like just making it and being a starter is enough to say, Am I am I a Hall of Fame basketball player? Like, maybe. So that's what I was gonna say about that. And when you excel in the NBA at the highest level. I'm sorry, what were you saying? Don: But do you do you think he gets an in cause Blake Griffin was also in his in his class, but Blake Griffin didn't get the nod. You think Blake Griffin a better career than Mary Sademaier? JRD: Blake what? I okay, so when Blake Griffin was young, I was living in LA, you know, Long Beach area. He was almost as pipered as Kobe Bryant. Don: That's what I'm saying. Like especially his dunk contest when you JRD: Yeah, like he deserves he was when they covered that kid one hundred percent. my god. Gross l gross loved him. Don: We wouldn't have Kia Boys without Lake Griffin. JRD: his commercials were cr were great, Lob Brev: Ooh, that was a great question. JRD: City. You know how much money Brev: Whoa. Don: He JRD: Chris Paul and Blake Griffin probably made fucking Toyota and Estate Farm and all them? Don: Yeah. And he wasn't hella commercials. But he was also very good. Would he JRD: Hel helicomercials. The Griffeys, yeah. I think it has a machine for Jordan. Yeah. Don: and he also reinvented his career when he went to Detroit. So he was like he was still Yeah. JRD: Yeah, he developed a shop. People forget he was phenomenal in Detroit. Brev: Yeah. Don: He was great on Detroit. JRD: Yeah. Brev: I think if Amari gets in, Blake should get in. Don: But they were in the same class and Amari got the nod. MAS: I don't think it was him. I don't know. Brev: Yeah, JRD: my god, they're Brev: they have JRD: not. Brev: the same exact accolades too. Yeah, they both have six all-stars. Don: Yeah. Exactly. I would take and I would take Blake Griffin's JRD: Was Am hold on, hold on, hold on. Don: career. JRD: Wasn't Blake rookie of the year? Amari was too? Brev: I'm Mario Assu. JRD: He was? Damn. I know They know that. Don: And yeah. He also people guy also got inducted was Doc Rivers, Candace Parker, Della Don and then Mike D'Antoni. Brev: Yeah, enjoy Crawford, right? JRD: I I don't think Doc should have made it. Don: You don't think Doc should have made it? Doc is JRD: No. Don: definitely hollow. JRD: No, and I I don't think so. Brev: Doc is a Hall Famer, you... He's a Hall Famer. Don: He's all Vancouver. JRD: I don't think so. Don: I'm like not mad at that either. 'Cause I really JRD: I I Don: not a big fan of Doc Rivers and Paul Pierce. There were our Achilles Hills. JRD: I feel if you look at Dark Rivers and all the teams he has gotten, if a problem arises he can't like Don: Yeah. JRD: get them to like go over the hump. Like, you know, I know he has a ring and his first year Don: Bro, he's still he still has gotten to a lot of conference finals and he also make a lot of deep things. JRD: I know, I know, and he and and his first year, I think he was coach Brev: He makes teams better. JRD: of the year. He does? I don't think he that's what I'm I don't think he makes teams better. I think he can keep teams Don: He does what? Brev: Yeah. Maybe outside of the bugs, but... JRD: He made the Celtics better? Don: That's what I'm saying. You gotta ring with them. Brev: Didn't they win a ring? JRD: Yeah, but didn't he get players like Brev: You wanna ring with him? JRD: that year? No, but making them better, didn't he get a home didn't he get a big three? Didn't he get a big three? I know exactly and Don: He's still gotta coach that big three, bro. We've seen big threes fail all the time. Brev: He's the coach of the team, bro. He's the coach of the team. JRD: he got one ring out of the big three. I would call that a failure. Just one th one ring. Don: Exactly. That's why I hold him. That's why I hold him accountable. JRD: I would call that a failure, just one through one three. People talk about LeBron Don: I still JRD: and D Wade and the fucking Christian Brosh only getting two. They got two. Come on now. Yeah. Don: That was successful. I think one ring is a suc a success. Everyone tries to get a ring. JRD: But people say people say that he won't that successful and they got two. Like come on. But no ja I J Brev: Wait, is Doc still coaching? Don: Two. Doc I think he is. JRD: I need to bug him in a boot. Don: I think he's still on the bus, bro. I'm remembering him getting fired. Who knows? Mike DeToni Mike Brev: Wait, so when are you eligible for Hall of Fame for basketball? As a coach, as a coach. Don: Dantoni's still coaching, I thought. He's like an assistant coach somewhere. JRD: I don't know. I think for co Brev: Because I would argue that if you can be active, an active coach, because I know Mike Susefsky went in when he was still coaching in college. But if Doc Rivers got in and he still can be a coach, I think Eric Spolster should have gotten before him. Don: Is Eric Swilson already not a Hall of Famer? Brev: He's not a Hall-Famer. Don: Yeah. I don't get I don't know what the qu I don't know what the criteria is. Maybe 'cause Brev: But he should be before Doc. Yeah. Don: h Doc has been in the game longer than him. Like his basketball career also? Brev: Yeah, air explosion has been in the final six times. MAS: Yeah. Don: he been on that heat since ninety seven as a assistant coach. Brev: Yeah. yeah, he was on the JRD: Yeah. I mean Brev: team when they won against Dallas in 06. Yeah. Don: Yeah, he developed. He got it out the mud. Brev: For real. JRD: Yeah, and and f and Phil Jackson was MAS: Thank you. JRD: Hall of Famer in seven. That's before he got the other two with Kobe and Pogasol. Brev: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know the criteria for Hall of Fame. it like right when you retire, are you eligible or? JRD: Well like I'm just saying like No no, I think it's before that after a certain amount of years just being a coach, 'cause Phil Jackson again got his in seven and he got two more rings after that. And then stopped coaching, became Brev: I don't know, is it C? JRD: a DM for the Knicks. He was asked at it but still. Yep. MAS: Yeah, I just know in Brev: Yeah. MAS: baseball you get like there's a class and if you don't make it from that class you have to wait like a certain amount of years before you can get nominated again. Don: Damn. Brev: That's crazy actually. Yeah. Don: It might be the same. I don't know how it works, 'cause when is when is Bud Griffin getting out again? Brev: I know. I wonder if they gave him, well, think about it. was JRD: I know it's a full box like that. Brev: a successful coach and he was a player, a good player also. So, yeah. Yeah. Don: That's what I'm saying. I think that's why he got it ahead of like Eric Sposter. And but I also think Blake Griffin should have gotten out over Sodemeyer, 'cause Blake Griffin Brev: I did too. Don: is way more important to the culture than Amari Sodemeyer was. JRD: I think I thought it was gonna be is Blade Griffin like first ballot or not. Like for him just like not Yeah. That's the Yeah. Don: First ballot, yeah, that's a debate. He should have definitely got it over on March Saddam, right? Brev: I'm saying if Omari is a Hall of Famer, Blake Griffin is a Hall of Famer. MAS: It says, players become eligible after being fully retired for three consecutive seasons. A rigorous screening and voting process then determines who makes each year's class. JRD: Ooh, I don't think it's been three years for Blake. Or this was his third year. Don: He was for sure a finalist, bro. Brev: His last team was Boston, wasn't it? Don: That's why I'm that's why that JRD: Yeah. Don: was a while ago. Brev: Yeah. Yeah. JRD: That was the year before y'all won. Brev: Yeah. Don: That wasn't that was I think that was even before. That was right after our JRD: No, I was here before you won. Don: championship run against in twenty I think he left in twenty twenty three. JRD: No you know, he left the year before y'all y y'all won 'cause I remember you were saying he went on last year then. Don: Which is twenty twenty three. Yeah. okay. Brev: Yeah, I think I agree. think Blake should have got the nod over Amari. Yeah. Don: Definitely should have gotten out. even on Boston he was a fan favorite. And he was like on the end of the bench. JRD: Mm. There's a there's an Brev: No, man. JRD: all around great guy. He w like, you know, great personality. He's he's comedy too. Brev: Yeah, think about those runs with Phoenix and New York. Don: All right, let's so Brev: Amari was like the number two option on both those teams. Like they were going deep, bro. They were going deep. Don: Yeah, BG was the number one option. JRD: On the sun? Don: They were going, yeah. And then he was also, don't forget, Mark Studemauer was averaging like 26 plus and double digit rebounds on those runs. He might have Brev: Yeah. No, he's tough, bro. Yeah. He's a dog. Don: been averaging like 28, bro. He was a he Brev: Yeah, that's tough. Don: was definitely a force. But that was like a six year run, bro, where he was actually like I don't know. It was about the same with Lake Griffin. He only had like six all-stars. All right, so speaking of like Brev: Maybe because we got to watch Blake's whole career. So yeah. Don: Yeah. We saw a little bit of the front end of Brev: Yeah. Don: speaking of current NBA and making Hall of Fame, I'm gonna name some players and you guys just say yes or no if you think they make the Hall of Fame. quilin it. Brev: Yes. MAS: Yes. Don: If they were to retire today, not like what you think. Brev: Yes, Kwai Lendered 100%. JRD: Yes. Don: Jalen Brunson. No? JRD: Yes. MAS: Yeah. JRD: Yes. Don: Mine says no, what do say, bruh? Brev: 100 % yes, kawaii. JRD: Hundred percent, yeah. Don: No, no, no. Next one, Jalen Brunson. Brev: Brunson. shit, yes. Put him in there, bro. I don't give a fuck. Put him in there. Put him in there, bro. Yeah. Yeah, bro. You said, JB, JRD: Of course. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You have to understand there's some nuances to get you in a hall of fame and he got the next of finals. I know Don: If he retires right now, he Hall of Famer. See, eso Brev: he might be the most clutch player that you've seen. JRD: It it it it doesn't matter. Yes, you can nit you can nitpick. It's unfair if MAS: Okay, this is called for. Don: One run gets you to JRD: yes, I'm sorry. I know he could put it in a great position because it doesn't matter. It is what it is. It doesn't matter. He he he he he gave the Don: Doesn't matter. JRD: Mecca a ring. Brev: He gave the Mecca a ring. Exactly. It's the basketball hall of fame. He gave the Mecca of basketball a ring. JRD: Yeah. I would say he should take Carmelo Anthony's jacket. He should take Carmelo Anthony's jacket. That's what I feel. MAS: That's a notion in that decision. Don: I me personally, I think Brev: We don't have to Don: Carmelo Anthony is of the most overrated Brev: mention Carmelo anything. Don: Hall of Famers we have. But JRD: Yeah. Don: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get on that. It's full let jokers take his number, bro. JRD: And a city. Don: in a city. But all right, what about what about SGA? JRD: my God. Brunson's like a city too. Brev: Yeah. New York is Carmelo City. Like, as far as the- cause he's from there. That's why- all I'm saying is cause he's from there. That- I'm saying like, he claimed- Don: It's Jalen Brunson City now. JRD: Nah, that's Brunson. That's Brunson City. That's Brunson City. Don: That's Brunson City now. MAS: The final round plays something like... Brev: No, no, that's not what I'm saying. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying, like, if JRD: That's Brunson City. Brev: he was to claim- if he had to pick one city to claim, he could pick New York over Denver, for sure. Don: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it'll be New York, I feel you. 'Cause JRD: He can't claim any c I excuse me. Don: that's New York is when he's in JRD: That's not a city anymore though. Over Brunson? MAS: I mean, think everyone would rather move on than den- Brev: it's not. New York loves Carmelo, Don: Yeah. We don't know that. Brunson I think I think Brunson probably got more love now. But Carmelo put in he got years on Brev: I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. For sure. Yeah. He got a ring, bro. Don: him. Brev: He got a ring. JRD: Yeah, it's it's no question. Hit up your homie. Ask your homie. Don: He and and it was it. JRD: Is he from New York or he just lives there? Brev: Nah, he's from New York. Yeah, but he was a big Carmelo JRD: Brad's homie, remember you met him? Brev: fan growing up. Yeah, he was a big Carmelo fan growing up. So Don: What about what about Brev: I'll ask him who he likes more. Don: What about SGA? JRD: one hundred percent. Brev: Yeah. Retired today? Two MVPs, bro. Yeah. Yeah, two MVPs. JRD: Hundred percent. Don: I w I mean if I say you put you put edge you put Brunson in there, retired today. He is a he has a better nod than Brunson, bro. MAS: Yeah. JRD: Yes. Brev: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. MAS: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. JRD: yeah. Brev: Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Don: Hundred percent. He has two MVPs, one V P final. Brev: Yeah, I was tripping for even second guessing that, honestly. Yeah. Don: What JRD: Yeah. Don: about Yannis? Brev: Yes, for sure. JRD: Yeah, yeah, MAS: Yes. JRD: yes. Don: Okay. It's too easy. What about cat? MAS: you JRD: Hmm. Amari got one. Amari got one. Yeah. Amari Don: Cat averages over his career. He's he's a twenty and twenty points, eleven. MAS: Thank you. Brev: Hey, you right, Josh. Honestly, Omari got one, Kat gets one. JRD: got one. Don: Well Omari has listen, listen. Omari has way more All NBAs than Kat. Cat Cat only has three All NBAs. Omari has like four or five. He JRD: Amari has no rings. Amari has no ring. He still got time. Brev: He has three though, he has three. Don: has three All NBAs. Brev: Still not bad bro. JRD: And a ring. Brev: How many all-stars? Don: I don't know how many R Stories here just fool. Who? Carl Antony Townsend? Nah, MAS: He's a journey man though, right? Hasn't been on any other teams? Yeah. JRD: You probably don't got a lot. Brev: You know, he's not a journeyman. Kat's not a journeyman. Don: Studmar was more of a journey JRD: Two things. Don: than a cat. Brev: Yeah, he's MAS: Yeah. Brev: only been on two teams. JRD: Two teams. Brev: Yeah. JRD: I mean he did get bitched by Jimmy Butler Don: It was always the second best. JRD: when he was younger. And by DeMarcus Cousins. Everyone's seen that picture. Huh? Bitched, yeah. No, no, he got bitched. Don: He didn't get benched. bitched. You said he got bitched by him. You said benched. Brev: Yeah JRD: And by Demarcus Cousins. Decker Development. Brev: That's character development, bro. That's part of the journey. JRD: Yeah, he he got a ring too. Don: Heard it from yeah. Brev: Let me see, how many all-stars do have? JRD: And he was a portent for that ring. MAS: Wait, this more. Don: I mean if Amari gets in, I get I think he gets in too. He just doesn't JRD: Yeah. MAS: Yeah. Don: have as many accolades as Amari. Brev: Carlinthee Towns is like one of the best shooting centers we've ever seen. JRD: If you put cat in I know but like if you put cat in Amari's time, he's going off. Don: he's Brev: Yeah, hey, got rookie of year too. He has the same amount of all-stars as Amari. Don: Mart, yeah. His class was like what was his class? Is that the D lo class? Brev: That's 2016 or 2015 2016 2015 class I couldn't even name one honestly right now at the top of my head Don: He also is a three-point contest winner. And the NBA Cup. He has six All-Stars. Brev: I'm telling you, he's one of the best shooters out of centers. Bro, for his career, he's averaging 22 and 11. Don: And two all third NBA. That's kinda I don't know. Mario's getting burst and second. Brev: cat was. MAS: He's the most beautiful. Brev: He was a big part of the championship team, bro. Don: Amari got one first team and got four second teams, six all-stars. MAS: Does he, does he star on both teams Brev: Yeah MAS: he's been on? Or is he like a six man? Don: No, he'll start. Brev: Who? Cat? No, certified starter, since he's joined the league. I'm looking at it here, every single game he's played in the NBA, he started for cat. He's never come off the bench ever. Don: Yeah. But was he the best player he was definitely the best player in on in Minnesota for a while. Brev: Yeah, and yeah, and in Minnesota his first three years he played all 82 games all three years and started every single. Don: All right, let's go to the next one. MAS: I was gonna ask real quick, what do you guys think about his voice changing all the time? Don: That's just weird, Brev: I was code switching? That's just funny. Shout out to Kat though. That shit's funny. Don: bro. Call it switching. MAS: You think that's what it is? Just tell me. JRD: No, I don't think it's coast vision. MAS: Or do you think he's just trolling at you? Don: It's just hilarious. JRD: I think he's just trolling. Or just a quartz joking around. It's definitely not cold Don: No, it's just you just I don't think it's trouble. Brev: Nah bro. JRD: switching because he his diction doesn't change. Just like his this cadence. Brev: No, he tried out the New York accent. I heard it. MAS: I don't know. This shit's funny. JRD: I think we're talking about Don: All right. What about JRD: when he sounds feminine and when he sounds normal. That's Don: Yeah. JRD: how we're talking about. Brev: no, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about... Yeah. MAS: I heard at least five different tones of voices from her. Don: And after all that MAS: Yeah Don: All right. MAS: Yeah, bro, it's just common. Don: Let's do The Jays Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. They were Brev: Tatum. Don: retired today. JRD: They both can't make it. Don: You saying yeah? JRD: They both can't make it, only one can. Don: I'm asking, they both can. It's up to you. If they retire today. JRD: both. Yeah. J C Brev: the Balkan? JRD: and J B, yeah. Brev: Nah, I'm going JT. Don: JB only has two L N BAs, one championship, one final DVP. JT JRD: That's enough. Don: has five All-NBAs. Brev: Yeah, I'm going JT, bruh. Don: I don't think J B makes it if he retired today. MAS: I think every argument is going to be JRD: Like. MAS: if Amari is getting in then all these players that's... JRD: Yeah. Don: Well, I think J Amari had a better career than J B and Kat right now. MAS: But yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're talking about before they retire right now, but they still have what? 10 more years? Don: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If Amari if Amari's a baseline then I don't think Kat and J B gets in. 'Cause they don't stack up against Amari, individual career wise. Brev: Bye for now. Don: All they have is a championship over Amari. JRD: I would rather have I would rather have J B's career than Amari Steidelmeyers. Don: Do you value championships? JRD: I I do value championships. I I value Don: 'Cause J B only has he has five all stars. Amari has six. J B has two all NBA second teams. Amari has four of those and one first team. Amari's all f what was he a rookie of the year? All rookie first team? JRD: Yeah. I think Don: All NBA JRD: when it comes to all NBA, I think positions have a lot to do with it. Especially like years you were playing. Don: Yeah, you don't think Amari's planning in a tough tough year, Eric? MAS: Okay. JRD: I do. I would say like Yeah. No, that's it, that's it. MAS: That was the shortest game play you've ever had. I thought there was still five minutes. Brev: He said, not that too. JRD: It's like yeah. Yeah. I'm I because I can go on the nuance. Don: But we we all agree that JT gets in automatically. Brev: I, JT JRD: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Brev: over JB for sure. MAS: Yeah, yeah. JRD: JT has been disrespected, you know? Yeah. Someone someone someone in the production team has been sitting me stuff, telling me things about about him, you know. He changed Don: Huh. JRD: my point of view, I will say that. Don: Well, most disrespectful player in the most disrespected player in the world. All JRD: Yeah. Don: sports. All right, what about JRD: That's fully disrespected. Brev: Yeah, JT is like the Jalen Hertz of the NBA. Don: worse than Jalen Hurts because he's better. JRD: Jalen Hurts is not disrespected. Let's keep going. Don: He's worse than Jalen Hurts because Jalen Hurts is JT is better than Jalen Hurts. JT's better in basketball Brev: You don't think he's disrespected? I think Jaylen Hurts is disrespected. JRD: Jalen Hurst is not disrespected. Don: than Jalen Hurts is. JRD: Jalen Hurst is not disrespected. He he can't be voted most overrated and disrespected. You Brev: I think he is disconnected. I don't think any of us put him in the top center. MAS: According to the law, the law... Yeah! Don: General Hurst is definitely. You said what last? JRD: you can't be voted that MAS: What about Dag? According to Josh... Don: I think Dak is more distracted than Jalen Hurst is. JRD: got booed for getting a humanitarian award. Brev: Yeah, that's true. That's crazy. Yeah. JRD: That's crazy. He got booed during the Super Bowl. His team wasn't playing for winning humanitarian award. He lost his mom MAS: Yeah Don: What about JRD: and his brother. Whoa, that's crazy. Brev: And he got booed. MAS: I feel like if like the also, I don't know, when was it? Where was it at? The Superbowl? JRD: Yeah. Brev: Yeah, well, it's where Walter Payne manned the year. MAS: So if the Giants were JRD: Yeah. MAS: in the World Series, actually no, we wouldn't do that. I gonna say if the Giants were JRD: No w no MAS: in the World Series, they did that, something like that, and Shohei or like some other legendary dodger came up. JRD: No, it wasn't like that. None of none of the teams had a rivalry against the Cowboys or had a rivalry MAS: Yeah. JRD: against Dak. No, it wasn't none like that. Nothing like that. MAS: in less while. JRD: Yeah, he just got booed. To get booed. It's like I I remember he had a gruesome injury and one of my friends in college cheered in my face, let's go. MAS: No, that's evil. Brev: Yeah JRD: Yes. Let's go. Here we go. In my Don: Yeah. JRD: ear. I'm like, bro, this is a human being. Like it was a gruesome in gruesome injury. Don: That was Brad when when JT went down. This Brev: What? Don: fool sent me a fucking 30-minute-long self-recording video of him Brev: Yeah. Don: cheering, crying on his knees, happy that JT got hurt. All because JT Brev: Nah. Don: dunked on LeBron in game seven of the Eastern Conference Finals of his rookie year. This fool was mad about that. Brev: They still lost that game, by MAS: Yeah. Brev: the way. MAS: was also trying to take all the cults ops out if he had superpowers or something like that. Don: yeah, Brev: Yeah, Don: I forgot about that. Brev: what they're all getting robbed bro if I had teleportation. yeah, they're broke. They're broke. They're broke No, MAS: No, it doesn't get wrong. Don: Nada getting robbed, he was definitely questioning threatening their life. Brev: what are you talking about? We were talking about robbing MAS: Might have an eye for money. Brev: banks and I said if I teleportation powers no one in the ASC South other than the Colts are safe Don: I'll take it I'll take it as harm. was bad. No, he's talking about me. JRD: take their Brev: Bro. If I had P: I didn't see you. Brev: if I had teleportation powers, no one in the AFC South is safe other than the Colts. That's not harm, bro. Don't make it back next game check, bro JRD: Yeah, yeah. Y you you're you you're sucked for MAS: Yeah. JRD: that. No one is safe? What you gonna do to Don: He's talking about I robbed them for their jewels. Nah. JRD: And you were quiet, so you didn't respond. Brev: Yeah. MAS: But you know you're gonna fight back and you're gonna have a knife on you. Don: Yeah, what's it what did they fight back? MAS: You're gonna have to Brev: Well then I'll just teleport behind them. MAS: catch a body. Don: And do what? Whoa. Whoa. Yo JRD: He goes I'll put them in. whoa. He Brev: Hey, yo, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, JRD: said you got me. He said you got me. Whoa. Brev: hey, hey, hey, Don: Everyone heard that? Brev: That was crazy, but... That shit was insane. Don: We can go to next segment. All right. MAS: Hahaha JRD: Mm-hmm. Don: I'm gonna name some players that are currently in NBA. You guys try to guess their overalls in two K. Brev: Okay. Don: Two K twenty seven. Which also has co op player career mode, which is kinda crazy. Alright, so yeah, MAS: Restart, restart. Don: guess the players overall. Cooper flag. Brev: 85. JRD: I was gonna say eighty three. Brev: Yeah, I say 85. I don't know what he was last 2k though, that's the thing, because he could have been probably Don: Eighty three, eighty five, what you got? Me neither. Brev: 83, 84 last 2k. Don: What do you got, Moss? MAS: 86. Don: Moss got the closest with eighty seven is his overall going into two K twenty seven. Eighty seven. What about Brev: Damn, 87? Second year? Don: Jimmy Butler coming off injury? Brev: He's gonna be like JRD: Eighty four. Brev: a... He'll be in 86. JRD: Eighty four and a doc. Eighty four and a dot. Don: Eighty six, eighty four? She got moss. MAS: I'm gonna say 86 again. Don: What'd you say, bruv? Brev: 86. Don: Okay, he is an eighty five. You're all just surrounded. MAS: Probably some players still get that love and I'll put them up higher. Don: Yeah, I mean I eighty five is pretty generous, I ain't gonna lie. Well, MAS: me. Don: nowadays two K ratings JRD: Okay. Brev: He's getting old. Don: we talk about that later. MAS: How many more years does he have in him? Don: Ts that boy's like thirty four, thirty five, bro. Brev: Probably got like five max. JRD: He might be done. He might be done. We gotta see. Don: Yeah. This JRD: He could easily be done. Don: he don't got too many more. Brev: Yeah. Don: Luka Donczyk. Brev: Ooh, 96. JRD: Ninety. MAS: 93. Brev: 96. Don: Ninety-three, ninety-six, ninety-six. He's a ninety-six. JRD: Ninety four, ninety four, ninety four. Mm. Don: Ninety-six overall, bruv. You got it on the dot. What about Jalen Brunson? Brev: Ooh, 95. MAS: 90. Don: Ninety five for Brunson, what you got? MAS: I honestly don't watch any of the finals and shit. JRD: Ninety three. Don: You said ninety five, ninety three? What'd you say, Moss? Ninety? MAS: I said 90, but I'm gonna change it 90. Brev: I forgot about defense though, honestly. Luka doesn't have defense though. Don: What are are you changing it? Brev: No, 95. MAS: 92. Brev: 95. Don: Ninety two? MAS: Me too. Don: Ninety-six, Jalen Brunson. All right. Brev: Oof. I'm not mad at it, honestly. MAS: He's that guy. Don: What about JT Jason Tatum coming off injury? This is also Brev: Coming off engine. Don: this is Jason Tatum's longest break he's ever had since he played in NBA. Brev: 92. JRD: Ninety seven. Brev: 92. Don: Ninety seven. MAS: 93. Don: Ninety two. Brev: 92 but Don: Ninety three? Brev: I think 92 is disrespectful to JT honestly compared to the other players. I would say 92 though. Don: He is a ninety three on a dot mas. MAS: Yeah. Don: By the end of the year he'll finish as a ninety ninety six, ninety seven. Mark my words. Brev: He's realistically like a 94, 95. Don: Next next two K, two K twenty eight, we'll have the same conversation. He's gonna be a ninety eight. Ninety seven. But I digress. Joel and B Brev: 91. MAS: Any further or? Don: Ninety one, ninety one. Yeah, he's ninety one. Brev: 91 91 Don: What about Jalen Brown? Brev: 90. MAS: I would say in 1991, I'm a pricey, right? Don: ninety just averaged Brev: 90. Don: averaged averaged twenty eight last year. Brev: 90. Don: Ninety, ninety one. He's a ninety one. MAS: When I have to, back to back. Don: I'm just gonna list some surprising ones on here I see now. They got Jared Allen at eighty five. Brev: He should be 86. Don: Dylan Harper at eighty five. MAS: Give him that point. Brev: Go away, actually, Don: I mean yeah, that eighty six is a different different epsilon now. Brev: Yeah, yeah. Who'd you say was next? Don: Che Homegrain eighty six, bro. Brev: He's like an 81 bro. 80 max. 80 probably. Yeah, he's like an 81 bro. Don: Especially after after the finals, bro. yeah. He was dog shit. Brev: Yeah. MAS: No bad. Don: Not finals, conference finals. V Jcom, only in eighty three. Which is not bad. Brev: I'll take Vijay over chat. MAS: I never even heard of that fool. JRD: They had to drop him because of the team they had to drop Don: Vijay Edgecom? Who's he's a Brev: He was a rookie last year. JRD: him because of the team he's on. They don't want him two OP on two K. Don: I think 83 is perfect, but I think you gotta scale down some other guys. I think VJ Eshcom is better than Chet, like Breath said. And Chet's an 86. Brev: Yeah, for sure. Don: I don't know about Chet was so ass on the in the playoff run. They got Dame Lillard. Brev: Bro, it was terrible. Don: Dame Lillard's an 86 overall, bro. That's that's meat riding. That's not he's not 86, bro. That's meat riding, bro. Dame Lillard's an eighty six in two thousand twenty six, bro. Brev: so bad. No, it's not. That's that's solid for Dame. Because what would they think about? He was probably like 89 last year. So you just dropped him three ratings. Don: Why would he be eighty nine last year? JRD: Didn't did he play last year? Brev: Or no, no, no, I meant the last full season he played. He was probably like an 89-90. Yes, bro. No, he was not ass, bro. He was not ass. He was not ass. Don: Bro, when he played with the Bucks he was ass, bro. He was not great on the Bucks. JRD: Bro, only the you only have three point, yeah. Don: I mean, there's a reason why they didn't do as good with Drew Holiday. Brev: But 90 would probably be lower than what he was in Portland. In Portland, he's probably like a 92. Don: Yeah, Portland for sure, but when he when he left Let me look at that year on the Bucks. What year was that? Brev: And then in bucks he's probably like a 90, 89 and now he's like 86. It's solid. Yeah. Don: What year was he on the Bucks? You remember? Brev: He's there for like three years, three or four years, no? Don: Yeah. the past JRD: Damn that long? Don: two years. So he played seventy three games his first year with the Bucks and he averaged twenty four twenty four seven assists. Yeah. Okay. Brev: Yeah bro. What? 24? bro that's a 90. Yeah. Don: Yeah, I'm not bad. But you gotta realize the year before that he averaged thirty two. Brev: Yeah, no, Portland Dame is different, I'm not mad at 86. Hey, what's jaw Don: on Portland. But then last year he also averaged twenty four, fifty eight. Brev: at then? Don: Ja? let me see Brev: Yeah. Don: where Ja is. Ja Moran. Eighty four overall. MAS: And the menu. Don: John Morant. They got him. John Morant Brev: I think they both should be the same rate. Don: is 84, just like Brandon Ingram, Josh Giddy, Norman Powell, Darius Garland, Desmond Bain, Khan Kanipple. Brev: Really? Don: Yeah, Zubok is eighty four. They got Mikhail Bridges eighty four. Brev: Jaw is at least an 85, 86. Don: Keontae George is eighty four also, bro. Yeah, I don't know. Hey, they got painting pictures at the eighty two overall. Let's go, I'll take that. MAS: you Don: Well, I'm taking PP over freaking Dam Luller, bro. That's what saying. Brev: Hey, where do they have Donovan Mitchell at? Don: pause. Mitchell is a ninety three overall. Like Mitchell and Tatum were not in same class. That's why I don't like that shit. But also Steph Curry, Dane Luller or Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, and Kawhi are all ninety threes also. Brev: Really? They're MAS: And. Brev: on the way out though. Don: Yeah. All right, we can go to the next segment. So we saw the X-Men cast come out. Brev: Mm-hmm. Don: What are your thoughts on that? First of all, what is your favorite announcement JRD: not. Don: in that cast? MAS: I go hide, the envy. Yeah. I just think, Don: He's a indie? What a rogue? You MAS: well, it just kinda surprised me, cause I don't know any other content. So for her to go from obsession, killing it, and then going to X-Men, let's be. Don: But but do you know like about Rogue or we've seen the original X Men too? JRD: She was on Superman and Lois. She was on thirteen reasons why. MAS: I think the casting, as far as the way I felt, I don't know, it's... Don: Yeah, she was on some other small stuff. Brev: Mm-hmm. Don: What did you say, Moss? JRD: Yeah. MAS: I just said like based on the comics look, she looks accurate. Like she can easily look like it. JRD: She's not. She no, she's not accurate at all. From Oklahoma. Don: Alright. I say she looked more accurate than Kitty Prim or something. She's too small, like MAS: Yeah, I Don: too skinny to be bro. JRD: Huh? MAS: Yeah Don: But you don't think she JRD: Wait, what'd you say, JD? Don: is? I say Indy is like too skinny, too small to play a role. She gotta bulk up a bit. JRD: Lady said Kitty. you said she could play Pi Kitty Party instead. I was confused. Yeah, no, Yeah, Don: Yeah, she's sure, kitty. JRD: you know, yeah, she's she could have, you know, she's nothing like Rogue. I would say from the comics or any Archer 100%. Don: She could've played Kitty, Mystique. JRD: Yeah. Don: But she might boke up. The guys boke all the time for rogue, so and then dye her hair and we and we might be just looking at a perfect rogue. JRD: Hunter Hunter Schaefer needs to be mystique. Deadass Hunter Schaefer will be the perfect Don: What happened? JRD: Hunter Schaefer would be the perfect casting for Mysterio, Don: Hunter Schaefer. JRD: yes. Don: How do you spare a lesson? JRD: Mm she's a number euphoria. Joe. Joe's on euphoria. MAS: I'm looking at it again. I don't see why you don't think she could possibly play her. That makes no sense. Don: You said why why we don't think what? JRD: Hunter, MAS: I just like, I'm looking JRD: you know they got Hunter? MAS: at her, don't see how Indy can't play that. Don: No, he's talking about indie. JRD: no, but you said you said it's a perfect casting. She looks alike. You're just you're just saying reason she buys it maybe because she's Hispanic. That's the I'm getting out of it. Because like she there's two forms of mystique. No MAS: Why you always bring the race into it? JRD: no I'm not being racist at all, but Rogue she's either emo or a southern bell. MAS: I just say you're me, Brev: You say you were being racist. JRD: No, no, he just said that he's already racist she's either emo or a southern bell. How do you see? Brev: You he said, why you bring race into it? JRD: because like okay, being on being honest, MAS: Wait what? JRD: being honest. Miguel, being honest. Why do you like do you think Indy is a good will be a good rogue? For my performance in MAS: I don't even know what's up. I literally just said based only on the views and I don't see how you can't put her in costume Brev: He said based on the hype. MAS: and play rogue. That's what I'm saying. JRD: She's the height. You say she looks she looks like a Brev: Yeah, he said based on, that's what he said, he said based on the hype. Don: She's a very JRD: and the way she looks. Can you say that? My fault. Don: Well, I my thing is I don't think I do not doubt that she will be a good rogue. My thing is that she does not look like rogue when you c when you cast her, we JRD: She but she She doesn't. And you said she did. So MAS: But in no JRD: when I think of looks, MAS: way though. JRD: no I'm sorry, when you say she looks like she'll be a good rogue, and and if you s earlier you said you don't know how rogue looks, but she looks like a good rogue, it's like hmm. What could that mean? And I've also seen a lot of people commenting that they're happy that MAS: I would say, yeah, no. JRD: she's Hispanic. I'm not being racist, it's what I've seen, you know, as a guess. I could be wrong. Don: He didn't say you're being racist, MAS: I never Don: just said MAS: saw. Don: why are you being racist into it? Brev: He didn't say you were racist. He said, why are you bringing race into it? JRD: you didn't? I I thought rig is a factor. My fault. MAS: And what I said was that Brev: listening comprehension. MAS: based on the post and the comedy JRD: No, I'm mis mishearing. Don: Listening comprehension. MAS: images I saw, yeah, listening comprehension. Don: We we said that. We already said it like five times that he didn't say that. But MAS: I just wanna see, I could see how she can easily with makeup and everything and act. Don: A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I concur, but like when you there's like some actors that just look like the character that they're gonna play. Like MAS: See you. Brev: video. Don: the whole cast, the whole like rumor people for James Bond, they all look like they could be James Bond. Even the black guys that they got. Like I can see Idri's Alpa as a James Bond, bro. But JRD: Yeah. Brev: Let me look at Rogue in the comics. MAS: James Bond is. Don: you just you just don't I just don't think of Roe when I see Indy never ready. Like you would think of so many other characters she would have been. But like like I said, I think she It's probably gonna kill it because she's a very like expressionist sh yeah, a hundred percent she can play rogue. Like I said, Brev: I don't know, Indy could play Rogue. Yeah, it looks like her. Don: she's gotta bulk up a little bit, get some more meat on her, and then dye her hair MAS: as well as that. Don: and she'll be solid. Brev: Well, you know all Marvel actors go through this intense workout program. Don: Yeah, literally just said JRD: Yeah. Don: that earlier. I'm say yeah, I'm like dude, that she she can definitely do it. Brev: my bad. My fault. Listening to Comprehension, my bad. MAS: Come on guys. Don: But yeah, I think she could do it. What about what about Adam Driver as Mr. Sinister? Think that's a fucking Brev: I don't know much about Mr. Sinister, though. MAS: Yeah. JRD: I didn't like they gave the villain Don: that you could do JRD: away. I didn't like they gave the villain away. Don: You They gotta they gotta put some 'cause all the actors they did, which I appreciate, are not like big names. I mean Indy is just recency famous, but Adam Drivers JRD: Weaver. Don: they gotta be like JRD: Frost. Don: Like I said, like I said, Adam Driver is the guy that's gonna get people in the theaters, bro. The other names are not MAS: Yeah, Adam Driver's cool. I mean, people hate on his acting for Kylo Ren and Star Wars, Don: Spr he killed that Kyleran. He was my favorite character Brev: Yeah, for sure. Don: in that JRD: More Mort Don: in the Disney trilogy. MAS: Yeah. Don: Hundred percent my favorite character. When he when he when they first MAS: Yeah. Don: introduced him with the little when he MAS: But see, that's, but again, I don't think people understand that they hated Anakin, they hated Hayden Panteneer in his teenage years too. And it's like, and Luke, bro, he's a Skywalker and he's a Skywalker. No, Don: Well Well Anakin Attack of the Clones, Anakin's performance wasn't the greatest. He got better in Vengeance Sith. MAS: but he's just a whining crybaby and always looking for something. Like, so that's what I'm saying. That's what they hated about Kylo Ren is like, he's just annoying. Not necessarily his Don: Yeah, right. MAS: acting was bad, but that his just his role as character, JRD: The character. MAS: everything about it. Don: character, yeah, but his role in it, like his emotion he used in that movie. Y'all seen Black Clansman, I mess with fire. Brev: Yeah, I think we watched that a few times in college. JRD: That T V show Gross he was in wasn't bad. His T V show Gross, that wasn't bad at all. Don: Well Adam Driver? JRD: Yeah. MAS: I don't know what show it was, it's with him, Bill Murray, and Selena Gomez is in it. I think it's a movie. They're checking JRD: That's a movie, that zombie movie. Don: I know what you're talking about. MAS: her out, she's walking away, and he goes, he's like, that girl's Mexican. And he's like, how can you tell? He's like, I have affinity for Mexicans. And he's JRD: You like that scene? MAS: just like, hello, random, bro. I don't know what it is. Brev: Just fool. JRD: You j you just like that scene to know what it is? MAS: No, no, I said I don't know what the movie is. JRD: it's a zombie movie. for zombies. MAS: See, that doesn't even look like no zombie. Don: What about what about Kit C Connor as Scott Summers? Like I don't know who Kit Connor is. I'm not gonna lie. Brev: Yeah, what else has he been in? But it sounds familiar. He sounds JRD: He's too short. Brev: familiar. Don: He's too short. He looks like a Scott Summer though. MAS: It's too short. Don: Throw some shades on that fool. But like I said, I haven't seen him anything. Me neither. Brev: I don't think height matters in movies because you could always make someone look taller. MAS: Can you? Don: Also I I don't think Brev: Yeah. Don: he can do worse than the last. MAS: Like, not in action scenes, I guess. I guess you have a freaking stunt double in the place. Brev: Yeah. The Don: He Brev: way, no, any, well the way you Don: was in war warfare. Brev: tilt the camera, you place the camera, you can make someone look. Yeah. MAS: No, I know you can't. know there's definitely cinematography tricks, JRD: Is that impossible? MAS: but I'm just saying like in terms of like the effort you have to go. JRD: No, not No, he's not small. I I just I just no no no. I I would just say I heard I mean I heard he was too small. I don't know how tall he is. I heard he was too small. Well the meow meow. Don: He was on Warfare, he was on a a gay show called Heartstopper, and then the movie of that show. JRD: He was Ready Player One, he's the main player character in Ready Player One. Don: No, he's he's not the main he's not the main character in P World War One. JRD: He's not my fault. Don: No. Voy be saying stuff. He's on that movie though. JRD: Is not who is my character one? Don: The dude's name is like Ty Sheridan or something like that. MAS: Yeah, I never even heard of that fool. Brev: Yeah, I don't really know what Kid Conner's been in. don't... Don: All I know is that Scott Summers is the the old X Men movies didn't do him no justice. A lot of stuff, the only content that actually showed Cyclops being dope and JRD: Ninety seven. Don: not a little bitch ass character was X Men ninety seven. JRD: Nice X ninety seven. Don: X Men to me when he jumped out the yeah, that shit was fire. But JRD: then you jumped out. Don: like an old X Men, like yeah, that sh old X Men, he was trash. I don't know, I just think just how people portray him. And all the cartoons he was in, he never was really that cool. But I think Marvel can make cool. JRD: I think they will. They did already. X ninety seven. Don: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. What about Christopher Abbott as Professor X? I've never seen this guy either. Brev: I've even heard of the name. Don: Obviously he doesn't look like Professor Redge, 'cause he's not bald. MAS: I like the fact that you don't want Brev: I fuck with that though, honestly. MAS: a bunch of JRD: Yeah. MAS: A-list. I mean, we're going to get into that. Don: No, no, I love yeah, I love the fact that they don't have any A-listers. I just think that the only reason I Brev: Yeah. But they do have a couple of people that will put people in seats, which is like Adam Driver and Indy, yeah. But what's her name? Don: Indy never ready and then Adam Driver is that certified guy that's gonna get people. I love the storm casting. JRD: Me too. Brev: What's her name, bro? Don: Mm. Brev: She's a big actress, isn't she? Samara Weasley? Yeah. Was she in Ready or Not? Was that her? Yeah. That's solid. JRD: Some air weaving. Some are weaving, yeah. Don: You're talking about Yeah. She's cool. Yeah, she was. JRD: Yeah. Yeah. I will say she she does look a she does look a lot like other actresses. Don: I forgot about that shit. She looks like a perfect MS Frost though. JRD: Yeah. MAS: She looks like Britta from Community. Don: tapped in the community. What about my aboard? My aboard. Brev: and not tapped into community. JRD: And a minute. MAS: Okay. JRD: yeah, my that that's my storm, right? Yeah. I'm so happy Cynthia didn't get in. Don: My boy at Snorm. Yeah, I don't know where she is. Brev: I don't know what else, I don't know, MAS: said, that's my storm. Brev: I haven't seen anything with her in it either. JRD: That's my storm right there. I'm so happy Cynthia didn't get it. MAS: What does that even mean? JRD: You know people say Don: You so happy? Bro, I hate that shit, bro. Cynthia would have killed that shit at Storm, bro. She's a great actress. She's a great actress, bro. my gosh, bro. You just like her because she's dark skinned it, bro. JRD: Would've horrible. Yeah, Storm is not a witch. She's horrible. She no bro. Did did you see did you see how she played Harriet Tupman? Don: No, I don't watch shit. I just saw her. I saw her in I JRD: She did a good she's horrible. Don: saw her in what's that movie with her in Ariadna Gonday? What the fuck? JRD: Wicked. Don: Wicked. I saw her in Wicked. Yeah, she did great in Wicked. And I think she could play Storm. Hunt she would JRD: You can know how. Don: she 100% will be a great Storm, bro. There's like no question about it. People just think she looks weird. JRD: Well I well I'm glad you're not the part I'm that's not true. MAS: I think at end of the day, you can't deny that she can act and she's theatrical. So whatever role, she's not gonna, unless they like guide her in the wrong path, then. Don: She will be a great Storm. Cause she was great as wicked witch. Storm is not a witch, but like there's some parallels there, bro. JRD: Just have powers. Just have powers. No, just their powers. MAS: Yeah, don't get me wrong. I'm not a fan of Yeah. Don: Like I said, there's some parallels. JRD: N the person now is completely different. No the no but the acting I'm saying the acting part has nothing to do. Like the way she acted as the wicked witch has no parallels as the way she would act as Storm, whether she'd be good or not. I I know I know I exactly. Brev: It doesn't matter though, because it's acting, you have to act into a different character. JRD: Well well, Brevin, he said there's parallels. I was just merely saying that there's no parallels compared to her acting. Like that like And I disagree. I I think No, no, like I don't think Don: If she could play if she could play the wicked witch, she could play Storm. I think that's enough. You don't so okay, so regardless of that, you don't think she would have been a good Storm? JRD: No. Don: Okay, you're just talking, 'cause there's no MAS: Yeah. Don: way. She's definitely a better actress than Maya Boyd. JRD: no. Don: You don't know who my boy is. That's for for a reason. I mean she's still pretty young, but JRD: She's well she she does Broadway. MAS: You don't know who my friend is? JRD: Huh? Don: You said what? MAS: I was like, you don't know who who is my avoidance? No, Josh doesn't. was just saying, Don: I don't know n who my boy was. JRD: She's Brahbut actress. No, I don't. Broadwood actress. MAS: the way he said she's my storm just like made me think. JRD: 'cause I didn't want Don: cause JRD: to send the BNN. Don: she just looks cause she's beautiful. He just wants Storm to be a bad black woman. So a lot of people JRD: That's not true. That's not true. Don: don't that's hundred percent true, bro. Hundred percent true. Cause every every fan cast that JRD: Not true. Not true. Brev: What's one- Josh, what's one thing that JRD: Fruitney's fruitney. Brev: my boy's been in? I need wash. Don: That's not screwing girl. JRD: No no no no no I I I said this. The reason why I said that's my storm is because I didn't want Cynthia in the role. Because I don't want Cynthia in the role, any actress MAS: okay. yeah, see, you're a hater. just... Don: Yes, which is crazy. JRD: I'm not a hater. I I cannot like someone I hate. I don't think the way she will act will be good for the Storm role. Storm is one of my favorite characters. Like you know? Don: Mm. Mine too, MAS: I mean, you're very, Don: huh? MAS: you can have that opinion, but I just think it's wrong. JRD: That's fine. And you can think it's wrong a hundred Don: Yeah. I JRD: percent. Don: just don't think she's shown anything where she couldn't play the storm. Everything she's in, she's a phenomenal actress in. MAS: Exactly. That's what. JRD: I think she will play the part I think she will play the part wrong. And and the reason why they're even more so is how you said because she was Wicky Widow the Witch, whatever, she could be a good storm. I think she would play Storm in that role, and that's not Storm. That's not Storm. Yeah, one or two. I would say MAS: Could you specify what you mean? What are these little things that you need to be able to play it with? Don: Do you watch have you watched Wicket? JRD: Storm, I I would say Storm Don: So it was us. JRD: is more. of a way of like she acts like she's royal like royalty. She's more of like a earthy royalty girl. That's Storm. I don't think she could. Don: You don't I don't know why you don't think Cynthia cannot do that. It's not that hard. Storm is not a freaking Oscar worthy performance. MAS: So I'm staying. Don: She's a superhero. JRD: you don't you must not read the comics like that. She is. Don: She's a super Harley Berry did okay as Storm, bro. You don't think Cynthia can? She's a way better actress than Harley Berry. JRD: I don't think I don't think Holly Ber Hollyberry has an Oscar. I don't know what the fuck talking about. I no. I disagree. Don: Cynthia's the better actors, though. MAS: What are you doing? JRD: Disagree. Money money Don: You said what? JRD: ball. Monster ball. Monster ball. MAS: I was like, she was not in Moneyball. JRD: Master Ball, Master Ball. Don: Hollyberry's all right. She's just she's she's just beautiful. Brev: I was about to say. JRD: Master Ball. Don: All right. MAS: That's my storm. JRD: That's my stone right there. Don: I don't I don't I think Cynthia would have been a dope storm. I'm not mad at the storm casting, I actually love it. JRD: I wouldn't have watched it. I've seen every I I saw the Marvels. MAS: You didn't even wash it, bro. Come on, You're like Brev with the cams, Rizzi's. JRD: probably when I washed. I washed it. Brev: I still haven't watched the Marvels. Don: Ignorance. Don't watch it. I haven't finished with Marvel's, I'm not going to. JRD: The the movie? Don: Okay. Yeah, I haven't finished it. I'm not going to. I'm never going to. JRD: Yeah, you don't need to. Shit. MAS: I honestly gotta watch all of the X-Men movies. I haven't seen any of Don: That's our rewards. I'll sort of rewatch now. Brev: Wait, you haven't seen one single X-Men movie before? For real? MAS: I told you Brev: Not one? MAS: where I'm a nerd for one thing and one thing only. Brev: Okay, but those X-Men- the first X-Men movies, like, were... Class- Yeah, bro, come on. JRD: The first three X-Men, X-Men two, X-Men L S Pen. Brev: Yeah. Come on. JRD: Did you have cable Don: That's crazy. JRD: as a kid? That shit was on FX every day. Damn near. Don: He also didn't watch SpongeBob. So like it's not too surprising to me. Or MAS: wait. All right, now you've gone too far. Don: What am I how am I going to have you not watched Munchmark? JRD: Didn't watch Avatar. MAS: SpongeBob? Everybody watch SpongeBob, bruh. If you didn't... Don: No, there's a lot of people there's a lot of people that have no. Brev: Dude, that SpongeBob movie was the first Odyssey, bro. MAS: Anyway, I did watch Cartoon Network. That was my number one concern. What I will tell you is Don: Fun spot movie was for sure to put out you. That's that's that's a known fact though. JRD: I said that first. I said that first. MAS: I couldn't watch Cartoon Network freely. That's what I couldn't watch. JRD: Hey, it's it's Don: what's called the neck word? Brev: I do remember you saying that. JRD: okay. I believe Cartoon Networks for the bad kids. Brev: My spongebob was... Nickelodeon. Don: That's crazy. Carson Legro was wanted to go to JRD: I do. MAS: I would 100 % agree with you, Josh. JRD: Yeah, like one percent all all the bad kids that were causing a ruckus in class love Cartoon Network. If your favorite MAS: Yeah, I was a good kid. JRD: show is Billy and Mandy, I will look at you sideways. Like, you like that show, huh? Don: I don't know anyone that said that's their favorite show, but that show is definitely great. We're not about to say in Slender Curtain Network. Let's go to next segment. So next segment is MAS: Next episode, I'm bringing that up. JRD: Me too. Brev: Yeah. JRD: How I really feel this is how I feel. Don: we're doing a tier list again. But staying on brand, we're gonna talk about actors and actresses that play the superhero. So we got the S, A, B, C, D tiers. So based on their portrayal, it's everything in the count, like how they looked as a character, how they how they played has it how they played the the alter ego, everything. Everything else in the count. Huh? How many are we doing? MAS: Yeah. Don: you guys can move around. It's not set like the last one. So if you change your mind. JRD: Really, this is it's S tier, S tier less. Don: let me share the screen real quick though. MAS: There's only like three S's here I can think Brev: Now are you just doing MCU or all of Marvel? Don: Doing every every anything. MAS: Villains do, right? Don: Anything, yeah. Brev: Yeah. Okay, so not just MCU, MAS: I feel like the best performances are always the villains, bruh. Don: So you gotta see my see my shit, right? MAS: Yeah. JRD: We do. Don: All right, we're gonna do the first one. We got Andrew Garfield at Spider-Man. Brev: A. Overhated. A. Yeah. JRD: No. Okay. He's A tier. A. Don: Number two. We got Shaq as Steel. Shaquille O'Neal as Steel. Have MAS: Wait, what? Don: have you guys seen that movie? Brev: What? JRD: They don't let me see a movie. Put my C Putma C. Yeah. Put Brev: No. I didn't see it. Put it in a C. Don: Yeah. See? MAS: I've never even heard of that, JRD: my scene. Brev: I haven't watched Don: I for that Brev: it. Don: was all for the matter fucking deer. JRD: If MAS: Yeah, put that forward, dude. I've never even heard of them. Don: It came out long time ago. What about you, Brad? You seen JRD: All right, right. Don: it, right? okay. We'll leave it at C. Alright, Brev: No, I haven't seen it. So you guys got that. Yeah. Don: Rogue. I forgot her name. The girl played Rogue in the old acting. Anna or something, yeah. Anna Mad Madison or something? JRD: Anna Anna Anna yeah pack win pack win and a pack pack win Yeah and a pack I'm MAS: Gosh God. Don: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And a pack one or something. Brev: Yeah, you guys got that one too, I don't know. JRD: gonna put a s I'm I'm gonna put a C Don: You you haven't seen an old X Men, Brev? MAS: in this little element she looks like one character. JRD: I'm I'm gonna put a C I'm gonna put that C I'm gonna put that C Don: Brev, you haven't seen old X Men? Brev: No, the, what, the first, the original ones? I don't recognize the name though. I can't really see the picture JRD: She's in the first three, main character. Don: Yeah. One She's rogue. Brev: either. Yeah, but I don't JRD: Bro. Brev: recognize the name of the- JRD: It doesn't matter. Don: Did you like did you like the ro the rogue when she played? JRD: We're only we're only talking about how well they played the character, not the actor. Brev: Yeah, I don't remember her role as much to put her anywhere, so. MAS: I thought we were accounting for everything. JRD: No no everything in the role as far as the role. Yeah. Don: Everything as far as like their role. We're not talking about Andrew Garfield's old movies. It's just him as Spider Man. Brev: Yeah, no. JRD: Exactly. Brev: Yeah. MAS: Why no? No, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm... I'm saying, yeah, I- Don: Okay. All right. Jer Leto as the Joker. JRD: He wasn't that bad, but yes, go. It wasn't that bad. MAS: B Brev: It wasn't JRD: Do not say MAS: E JRD: B nigga? MAS: B. Yes, Don: What you gonna know? You said B or D? MAS: B as in. Don: What you got, bruh? Brev: I'm trying to think JRD: See Brev: of all the jokers that we've seen, so. JRD: He's the worst one. C. Brev: Yeah, see. Don: For sure is probably the worst one. Brev: Yeah, see. Don: See got two C one B. Brev: I'm gonna say is Jack Nicholson here. JRD: Way better. What was that? Don: We'll see. We got Brev: Yeah. Don: Reed Richards Pedro Pascal. Brev: Original Reed Richards? Don: Pedro Pascal as Reed Richards. Brev: it's B probably. I've JRD: B. B. Brev: only seen one Don: B Brev: movie of him, so let's just put him at B. JRD: D. Don: Gaga dot. JRD: Well hold on. I have a question I have a question. Brevin and Moss. Have you Brev: Yeah. Yeah. JRD: have you guys read a Fantastic Four comic or watched a Fantastic Four cartoon? MAS: No. Brev: Nah, just the movies. JRD: Okay then, so when we're t judging them based on the character, if you don't know about the character, say I don't know about the character. Because you just what are you basing it off of? Brev: That's what we said about, that's what we said about Shaq, right? Don: I mean they can be they can still refer it they can refer to MAS: Yeah, this little Josh trying to wipe us out of the game, We all said B. JRD: No, no, I'm not no I'm not I'm just trying I'm just trying to say how how it makes sense. Brev: Josh, did you put him at B? JRD: Because I did what might be. MAS: He chose to say that when we all agreed on one right away. Makes no sense, bro. Josh, just play the game. Just play the game, Josh. Just play the game. Don: Ha ha. JRD: Yeah. Nah, cause it was just too it was just too it was just too easy. Okay. Don: I think they have enough competence they I think they have enough competence to be like they played a good person or or not. JRD: Mm. Don: Ex Brev: SC. Don: Except for Steele. 'Cause they never heard they never heard of the character of Steel, which is crazy. MAS: Gal Gadot... Gal Gadot gets hate, bruh. And I... Don: You said see? MAS: I say C. Brev: Well she's a cool other Wonder JRD: B Brev: Woman is there? Don: We don't really have another live action. JRD: B and there's a whole T V show. Brev: Yeah. Other than MAS: The old classic, yeah. JRD: clock T V show. She's B. She's B. Why is she see hold on? Why is she C? How Why didn't she see, bruv? Yeah, watch both of them. I did too. Don: two C's. I think she's a C two, bro. I think she's a C two. Did you watch the second one? She was not sh Brev: Yeah. MAS: just think. Brev: I watched both of the Wonder Woman's. Don: I I she didn't give a she was no bro, she JRD: But is she is she like Don: was not that great. JRD: the Wonder Woman character isn't that great in general. That Wonder Woman Don: No, I don't do too much. JRD: character is like a dry, Brev: No, no, no. JRD: you know, like a warrior. She played Wonder Woman really well. She played Wonder. Don: A hundred percent, bro, but like have you seen the cartoon movies? The new fifty two Wonder Woman, she was bro. JRD: She played Wonder Woman well. The character is boring. Wonder Woman's a boring character. Don: She plays her boring. Bro, don't Brev: Keep it at a C. Don: say that because you, bro, first Brev: C. Don: of all, Thor, Iron Man, all these motherfuckers are boring characters. The fucking Guardians of the Galaxy. Bro, JRD: I am as a born character. I am as a born character. Don: listen, listen, listen before you start getting belligerent. Nobody fucked with Iron Man before Robert Downey Jr. did that shit. The Avengers, bro, okay. For the average comic book gore, yes. JRD: That's not true. Okay, moving on. Never moving on, moving on. Okay. Okay. Moving on. Don: No, it's not moving on because. JRD: Yes, it's moving on. Don: You you gotta get you gotta get in your mindset that actors can elevate C tier characters like the Guardians of the Galaxy, like the Suicide Squad. JRD: Iron Man isn't a C T character. D d my that's that's my point. Like Iron Man's not a C T character. Don: Yes he was. Brev: But of what I know, Iron Man wasn't that big and like wasn't a big Marvel character before the MCU. Don: He was not a big name, bro. He there's a reason why he didn't get sold to another company. MAS: Like the big dream. JRD: W Okay, w when you say C T character, are you referring to their popularity or the character being good or not? Don: Everything everything's an account, bro. Like Iron Iron Man was not a flagship character for Marvel until fucking JRD: Only I get what you're saying, I get what you're saying, but I I I'm saying this. Don: So what are you arguing then? JRD: No, no, but I'm saying this. I for the reason why people just figured out who Iron Man was. Robert Downey Jr. played a good Iron Man. The way Robert Downey Jr. played Don: He played the JRD: Iron Man, that's how Iron Man acts in the comics. That's why Iron Man was elevated, because people were able to see the Iron Man character. And it's not saying like, like it's not like he gotta ask character and brought more to it. Don: But Josh, listen. You just said so yourself. JRD: He didn't make the but the never mind. Okay. Don: Josh, you just said so yourself. You just said so yourself. He was elevated. Why was he elevated? Because of the performance Robert Downey Jr. did. He played a perfect Iron Man. JRD: Because no, because they were finally able to see Iron Man. Yes. If you play a perfect Wonder Woman, she's not gonna go that much higher because she's not a cool character. She's not as cool as Iron Man is. Iron Man's a cool fucking character. To most people. Don: To you she's not as cool as Iron Man is. Water Woman has way more fans than Iron Man. JRD: No she d no she does for sh not now for sure now. Don: She's one of the most classic characters there are. JRD: That doesn't mean anything. You can be classy and not be that fucking popular. Don: Next person. Call in corn sweat as Superman. MAS: and Don: You say A? The new Superman. Yeah. Brev: Wait, who's this? This is a, the new Superman? MAS: The news for now. Brev: yeah, for sure. A, A. That was my favorite Superman MAS: I'm cool with ass too, but... Brev: movie. Don: That was definitely my favorite Superman movie. Brev: Yeah. JRD: I'll put on S two. MAS: But I.D.A. Don: Two S? I think JRD: Yeah. Don: you saying A moss? MAS: I'm cool with ass like if they said ass but I- Brev: yeah, JRD: I esperi. Brev: it is my favorite Superman movie, so. MAS: Yes, Don: Brev said A and MAS: yes. Don: then you're the tiebreaker. Brev said A and Mo and Josh said A S. MAS: S JRD: My nigga, let's go. Don: Yeah, I think he was up there. Brev: I'm not mad at it though. Don: Jamie Foxx has Electro. JRD: T Don: And that makes him Spider Man. MAS: I would say three. They snaked him in the movies though. Like they didn't. JRD: His first portrayal is Don: He was pretty JRD: so bad. Don: he was pretty cool in the in the Spider Man one. Brev: Yeah, that one was... Don: In the New No Way Home. JRD: Yeah. Like yeah, I'm a fade. Like Brev: Yeah. JRD: how can you get a new haircut? MAS: That was the ugliest haircut I've ever seen, I know, they fucked me. Yeah, I say B, JRD: In the first one, right? D. D. Brev: up limited. MAS: low key. Brev: day. JRD: That's two D. Don: Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern. JRD: T Brev: day. MAS: Yeah. Don: That's how Jordan. MAS: Those JRD: I'm the reason why MAS: movies were bo- JRD: he's D, first I used to say he got over hate, but after watching one episode of Lanterns one episode of Lanterns. He's not? Okay. he's not. No he's okay. I'm sorry. Don: Yeah, he's not Hal Jordan. He's not a good Hal Jordan. No. Ryan Reynolds isn't. Ryan Reynolds isn't. Relax, buddy. Ryan Reynolds has dare to Deadpool. JRD: S. S. Brev: A. A, I guess MAS: S. Don: Perfect apple. Brev: so, yeah. Yeah, I'm not mad at the S, you're right. No one can really Don: Perfect Apple. Brev: play Deadpool better than how he played it, honestly. JRD: No, that one character Don: He dominated the row. JRD: from what was that Brev: Yeah. JRD: movie? a TV show with Peacemaker, his homie, he could play dead Deadpool. Yeah. Yeah. Don: Yeah. He probably could. Similar character, that's why. what about Michael B. Jordan as Human Torch? JRD: D D Brev: D. Don: He's not a good Johnny Storm. MAS: I think never even... yeah, I'll go deep. Brev: Yeah. I think I watched JRD: D. Brev: those movies. I think I watched like one of those movies like once and I just never watched it again. I don't even remember it. JRD: Fan Force Stick is the worst superhero movie made in my eyes. Brev: Yeah. Don: Alright, what about homeboy from the original X Men? I keep forgetting his name. Cyclops. Yeah. On JRD: James, James Brev: Cyclops? Ay! Don: the original X Men. JRD: Jane James MAS: Hey. JRD: Ma Paterson, Madison, Madison? Don: I forgot Brev: A Don: his name, bro. Brev: Yeah. JRD: No, you see this is why you need the other character. Because he he's a g he he's a good actor. I know, Brev: I watched the movies though. JRD: but that's what I'm saying. This is why you have the n this is why was saying you don't know the character. Don: What else have you seen what else have you seen, Cyclops in besides JRD: See what? Don: the original X-Men? JRD: That's that's why you need to know the character. Because he's a good actor. So like he's gonna he's a good actor. Brev: Ay! Ay! Ay! Exactly, he's a good a- Ay! JRD: But he's he wasn't like a side clock. Don: I think he was JRD: What do you think, JD? What do you think, JD? Don: You don't think you don't play I don't know, bro. I'm like stuck. I think he goes from A to C, bro. It depends how you want to look at it. Cause like I said, nah, like i that's how low it can go. I will be okay with someone JRD: A to C that B Yeah Brev: That's a wide range. Don: put him at C and I'll be okay with someone put him at A. Because like I said JRD: Yeah. Don: before, Cyclops' character is not a great character, bro. Like there's a lot of people that don't like Cyclops because he's lame. And he played a lame character in old original and original X Men. JRD: He's a Boy Scout. He's a Boy Scout. Don: So if you want to look at it like that, that's an A. But if you don't like the character, you don't like his performance, then I can see you putting it as a C. Brev: But he's a big part of the movie though, cause wasn't he, didn't he have a lot of tension with Wolverine? Yeah man, he was big part of that Don: Yeah. And then he then he died in the second one. Brev: movie bro. Yeah, so A, yeah. JRD: He he doesn't die in the second one, but it's all good. He dies in the beginning Don: Alright, w whatever. JRD: in third one because they changed the script because he played and his superman returns and a and the writers got mad. So they killed him off in the third one. Don: So what do you guys put in? JRD: I'll say B. MAS: be. Don: B. Holly Berry as Catwoman. JRD: I'm I'm biased, not gonna answer. I'm biased. Don: Did y'all have y'all MAS: Hmm. Don: seen Catwoman, Holly Berry? JRD: I have. Brev: I don't think I ever watched it, so... JRD: I'm put her at S. I'm biased. I'm putting her at S. I'm putting her at S, bro. I'm sorry. Don: Mars we're not putting their ass. Mars and Brev, have y'all seen that movie? MAS: Ha I'll say. JRD: I'll accept A. Don: Have you seen the movie? MAS: I think it's the same iconic, like when I think of Catwoman, or I guess the new. JRD: Earth the kit is Catwoman, but it's all good. Don: So was she better a catwoman than Anne Hathaway was? JRD: Fuck no. Don: Was she even a better Selena Kyle than the one in what Batman was that one? The blonde girl. I forgot her name, bro, the actress. I don't think she was a better Selena Kyle than her either. MAS: Wait, because wait, let me get something. This is the new one, right? Barbara Patterson? Don: No. You think it's always Zalada, Zalada, whatever her name is. JRD: you mean you mean no, that's Owen. She solo movie. This is so this is a solo. She was a solo movie. Solo movie. Don: That's what I'm saying. I don't think you guys seen this movie. JRD: I'd seen it. Brev: I haven't watched it. MAS: Wait, but what's the name of it? JRD: They MAS: Isn't it a bear? Don: It's Hile MAS: Who plays her in the new movie? Don: Zoe Zoe Salado, whatever her name is. No, no, no, Zoe Kravitz. JRD: Zo yeah. Zo Zoe Kravitz Zoe Kravitz. MAS: Yeah JRD: So like yeah, they like completely changed the script. In this movie, she fucking dies and a cat like breathes in her breathes in her mouth and she gets cat like powers. MAS: I mean, I'll go, hey. JRD: Imagine imagine like you know Jimmy Fox Electro, how he was kind of a nerdy dude, you know, bossed around and he dies. MAS: Yeah. JRD: And it's the same exact thing. Don: Well you're talking about the writing, bro. I'm t we're talking about how she performed as a catwoman. JRD: Horrible, but it's Holly Berry. I'm biased. Don: So she's horrible. I'm I'm I'll throw at a D first. I don't think she's an A is crazy. JRD: No, no, no, no, you it's us three doing it. Gotta put right A. Don: because you're putting Brev: Hahaha. Don: her A and we're not putting her A. I got a executive decision, bro. Yeah. George Clooney is Batman, bro. He might be the worst Batman, huh? JRD: Miguel said you gotta put your foot down. D D MAS: See? Brev: day. Yeah. MAS: I would say if we had to put him five in an order, then he's definitely five. Don: Yeah. JRD: No, he wanna be six, bro. Adam Westbrother than that nigga, bro. Don: Adam West played that six he's Batman Perfect. MAS: You've been sick, haven't you? Yeah, I guess so. JRD: Yeah. Don: Ben Affleck as Daredevil. Y'all seen that one? The original? You seen that? Yeah, he was like a he was like a stiff ass. Toby JRD: Day day day day day. Brev: An affleck is there devil? Yeah. I haven't seen- I've seen a little bit of it, yeah, but nah. Yeah. Don: McGuire as Spider Man. MAS: Yes. JRD: S S cinema Brev: S. S. JRD: cinema S. Brev: Yeah, S. Don: He's JRD: Put first too. Put first. Put in front of sp put in front MAS: Dope, It's the dope. Don: not even the better Spider-Man. He's not even a JRD: of put in front. Yeah. Don: He's not even the best Spider-Man, MAS: Yeah Don: bro. JRD: Put him in front. Brev: I'm honestly putting two, I'm putting two Spider-Man, I'm putting two Spider-Mans in this. Don: He's not even better than Andrew, bro. JRD: To each his own. Brev: Yeah, but I get what you're saying, but Toby's movies are cool as fuck, dude. MAS: Anyway. Don: We just don't. He's not even a better Spider Man. JRD: Is that is that Blade? Don: That's that's Wesley snipes JRD: Is that Blade? Don: his blade. JRD: S MAS: Last Brev: Yeah, he's the only blade if he's not the only one you can see his blade JRD: Yes. Put him in front of Toby. Put Don: Where's he where's he going? JRD: that nigga in front of Toby. Yes. Don: Yeah. That's the best depiction of a superhero we've seen on on camera. Nah, actually we got Robert Downey Junior as Iron Man. JRD: B best, best, bro. As a kid, I Brev: Yeah. ass. MAS: and JRD: SS behind Blade though. No behind Blade though. Behind Blade. Don: He might be number one. Behind Blade? Brev: Yeah, put him in front. No, put him in front! JRD: I think Tom Cruise could have played just as a good fucking Ironman. Don: Hey, I think actually when I be seeing that shit, I think Tom Cruise would have been a great Tony Stark too. But Robert Downey played that role. So time out that's everyone. Brev: Bro he- No. Yeah. Who'd Robert Downey get as, bro? That was his franchise for 10 years, bro. Straight. JRD: Yeah, I do. Have you seen Blade? Have you seen Blade? Have you seen Blade? Blade sav Brev: Yes, I've seen Blade. JRD: blade saved Marvel. What the fuck you talking about? Blade. And it wasn't for Wesley Snipes that would be in a Robodotic Brev: I know just that JRD: Jr. Blade saved Marvel. Marvel was gonna go out of business. So you think about 15 years? He saved! He saved Brev: Okay, Robert Downey, like we said earlier, like we said earlier, Robert Downey took the Iron Man character and made it the biggest character in the MCU. JRD: Blade? Wesley Snipes to get care of Don: Literally. But but Josh, Josh, Josh. JRD: Yes. Brev: But he's the biggest character in the franchise of MCU. JRD: No, he's not anymore. Brev: He started Don: Who is? MAS: this year. Brev: the whole thing! Don: Spider Man. I forgot about Spider Man. JRD: He's not the biggest friend. Spider Man. Spider Man's the biggest biggest one. Brev: Nah, Spider-Man's supposed to MAS: Are Brev: be right, you're right. I'm on as opposed to where I know, but... MAS: these that? I guess, recently. Don: Yeah, recently. But JRD: Yeah. Don: Spider Man didn't become the biggest until like No Way Home if that. Brev: Well, I'm talking about, like, when it started, bro. JRD: Yeah. Brev: And even that, Iron Man introduced Spider-Man to the MCU. Don: So Josh, basically I don't get how you can say that an actor can't elevate a character. JRD: Here here I'm saying this. Okay, here's what I'm saying. The way I'm looking at it, I'm looking like because you know, me and you read the comics, we watch the cartoons, we we know the characters, you know? And I feel there's a difference between playing a character bad, playing a character well, and not liking a character in general. There's characters that I don't like. For example, Captain Marvel. I don't like Carl Davris at all. I don't like the character, she annoys me. She fucking did my boy Miles Morales dirty. I don't fuck with that character. She's a yeah, she's annoying as fuck Don: In Civil War two? JRD: in the MCU. And you know why she's annoying as fuck? Because she's playing the character well. The same annoyance I got Don: Really Marshall. JRD: within the comics is the same annoyance I get when I watch her on screen. So I go, damn bro, like she's playing the character well. And that's the way I'm looking at Don: But my thing is, Josh, you're saying that care actors cannot elevate a character, which is false. JRD: 'cause I'm I'm telling you I'm telling you, like I thought I thought within reason, of course, like if it's a character that's cool and it's a good actor, then he could be elevated. But if the character's ass, okay, no, I I I I don't think you can. Don: can make any character cool. Like like I saying, the Guardians of Galaxy? bro, you did not fuck with the Guardians of the Galaxy before what's his name? Chris Pratt came. You cannot tell me you fucked with the Guardians of the Galaxy. You knew who they were probably but you did not fuck with them. I did not fuck with them and I knew who they were. JRD: I fucked with I fucked with rocket. Don: That's it. You didn't fuck with the rest of the team. You didn't fuck with no Star Lord. I know for sure you didn't fuck with Star Lord. I JRD: Yeah, that's it. I did not I did not I did not that was Star Lord. Don: know for sure you didn't fuck with Gamora. Cause you gotta think. And the cartoons they were in, the cartoons they were in, the comic books, they didn't they were wearing uniforms, bro. JRD: The not. The same same colors. Yeah. Yeah. But see I know but that that's my point. That's my point. He didn't elevate the character. He changed it. He they changed the characters. That's what I'm saying. Don: They're wearing uniform and the movies, they are individuals because they are now good characters. Because Dave Batista made Drax. Dave Batista made Drax a household name. JRD: They changed the character. I I Don: Should the actor still has the act. JRD: know, but that's what I'm saying, like, yeah, like Of course if you change the character in the comic books, is that really elevating a character or creating a new character in general? Don: Yes, cause you still need to act. They they're tailoring towards the actor too at the same time. Batista played Drax perfect. He made Drax a a lovable character. No one fucking knew who Drax was before Guards of the Galaxy. No one knew who Peter Quill was before Guards of the Galaxy. People JRD: He did. He did. That is true. That is true. That is true. That is true. That is true. MAS: you Don: people barely knew Group. JRD: Okay, that is true. But then that's more of like I get what you're saying. No, I I I get what you're get Don: They're elevating the characters. Vin Diesel JRD: what you're saying. I get what you're saying. I I'm I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing like for example, I'm gonna be back to Wonder Woman. Like with that script that Wonder Woman got and with her character How can you elevate her? It wasn't the acting. It's just the character. And then you brought up Garns of the Galaxy. That's not the original Peter Quill. I've only read like I've never read a full comic Don: Okay, gave once. JRD: book with them. Peter Quill isn't some cool guy. He's a Boy Scout. He's just a whole personality. Yeah. So I'm saying, like, you know what I'm saying? So like I know I know I get I I get that. But Don: No, they changed his whole personality a hundred percent. But you need the actor to be able to the actor still needs to be able to perform. JRD: like to me, if you're gonna say like, I elevated the character, no, you didn't elevate him. That's a whole new character. Whereas Don: The elevate JRD: As I'm saying with what with Robin Landley Jr. and Iron Man, the way Iron Man acts in the comic books is the way he's portrayed in the MCU. So if it I I know that it's good, it's Don: And that's what you call and what do you call that? An S tier performance. JRD: got it's got a good great performance. I agree. But it's not elevation, that's just playing a character correctly. Don: That's elevation. JRD: Okay, okay, I understand the way I view you, you can believe what you want. I I believe elevation is fine. I actually agree with you, you need to elevate the character more. Because he brought the character to life. I would say that he did bring the character to life. I think that's what you mean. Elevation and bringing the character to life are two different things. Let's say, for example, the first ever fucking Fantastic Four was the one that came out with Miles Telling. That was the first MAS: for it. JRD: Fantastic Four. And then Everyone hated him and then after that the original Fantastic Four came out. That would be an example of elevating the character because how bad it was portrayed. You have to elevate the character to bring it back to the army to enjoy. But if you're just playing a character correctly, how was the elevation you're just playing the character correctly? Like you know, Robert Alley Drink is just playing Iron Man. If anyone's a good actor, they would have elevated the character. As you said, you think Tom Cruise did good job. Don: But anyone didn't do it. Anyone didn't do it. Anyone didn't do it. Robert Downey did it. So so you gotta give him the props for what he did. He played the character in an excellent performance. JRD: Yeah, yeah, but I think it's the care but I think it's the character. Yeah, yeah, he I think the performance of the character. I feel yeah. Yes. Don: He played excellent, he played an excellent performance. He made Iron Man a household name based off how he played. When people think of Iron Man, they think of Robert Downey Jr. He was not JRD: Okay. Don: nowhere near as popular as he is now before Robert Downey Jr. stepped into the role. Nick Fury was not a black guy, was not a bald black guy with an eye patch. JRD: Yeah. Mm-hmm. I I would say yeah. I will say that I will say that I'll give you that when it comes to somehow Jackson, he for sure elevated the character. They changed. He did. Yeah. Jackson, Don: The character got way cooler. They they switched him in the comics to to match Samuel Jackson. JRD: yes. And then he and then they said, Don't sue, we'll put you in a movie. I consider that Don: Any JRD: elevating the character. Robert Downey Jr. just got a good role. That's the way I look at it. Robert Don: That's an example. I don't know what you gotta go talk down to. JRD: Downey Jr. just got a good role. That's the way I look at it. Brev: What do you mean, just got Don: It's a Brev: a good role? What do mean? JRD: He just got the role of Iron Man. Iron Man's a dope MAS: He just sang it in A. JRD: character, regardless if he was popular or not. Iron Man is a dope character. He's a billionaire who doesn't give MAS: out. JRD: a fuck. That's a cool character. He's cool in the comics. He's cool in the comics. He's a cool ass character. Don: This force is missing a point, bro. MAS: I just think to everyone else, think elevation means like any character that people don't know and all of a now everybody knows that's elevating a character from the world of the Marvel universe to just now everyone's household name. JRD: Okay, we'll get a bell Okay. Okay, finally. Brev: Exactly, like, cause JD always, cause JD, he'd been saying, JD been saying this since we were in college, like Iron Man was not a big character before the MCU. And when Robert Downey Jr steps into the role, he literally became the most popular superhero in the world. Yeah. MAS: and kickstarted the whole universe, bruh. Brev: So that's elevation. I mean, is that, is that not what it is? JRD: No I I okay, people in my circle, everyone knew who Iron Man was because he had a cartoon Nickelodeon. Don: He had a a lot of shows. He had Avengers Avenger shows. JRD: A lot of shows. I know I know a l like popular cartoons. I was excited for Iron Man it came out. When I'm when I when I'm in eight, when it came out, I my mom took me to the premiere at the El Capitan Theater. Like, you know? So I already knew and loved the character. I already knew it was gonna be dope. So like I can't really answer that. You say, like he wasn't in the limelight. In my eyes, before the MC okay, I'm I'm agreeing with you, not arguing. I'm gonna say that my eye Don: Josh, you're saying the same thing? I I literally grew up loving Iron Man too, bro. Like that was a dope character to me. He JRD: Yeah. Yeah. Don: still was not a popular character until Robert Downey Jr. Regardless of how much we liked him, he was not JRD: He was Okay. Okay. Don: a popular character until Robert Downey Jr. stepped into the role. JRD: I see what you're saying. I guess the way I look Don: Is okay. He elevated the character. JRD: the the way the way I look at it, I feel like if he's a popular character among Kongbook readers, among comic books, then he's popular character. But I guess I no no I I s I I see Don: Yeah, a lot of comic books a lot of comic book characters are popular characters among the comic book community. JRD: what you're saying. I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. I get it now. 'Cause in my eyes it's like, well, there wasn't a movie. So of course like if you don't read the comics, he's not gonna be popular. Like we don't know. The first Spider Man came out before like we were like really old enough to remember. So we don't know how popular Spider Man was in the nineties. Don: No, he's he what we do because it's documented, he was definitely still one of the most popular characters. He was a w he was still one of the big three. JRD: He was, he probably fucking was. He probably always been that popular, huh? He probably had. Yeah. Spider Man, Wolverine, and The Hulk, huh? Alright. Don: Yeah. And they literally sold Spider Man to Sony because they went bankrupt. And they didn't want to buy any other characters besides Fox wanted to buy the X Men. Fox bought X Men, JRD: Yeah, so yeah, he's a he's the only one I'll make money. You're right, you're right. He's the only one I'll make money. Don: they bought Fantastic Four and they bought I think Universal bought Blade and then MAS: you JRD: No, no, they Don: Fox JRD: they they kept Marvel kept Blade. Universal but on the Credible Hulk. Don: They did buy an incredible hog. Well I think Blade was not made by Marvel Burke. JRD: And all the ro and all the and all the amusement park r rights. Don: And then Sony won only wanted Spider-Man because nobody cared about nobody cared about Iron Man. Nobody cared about Thor. JRD: Only when I sign a man. You're right. You're right, you win. You're right. You're right. He added the character. You win. You're right. That makes sense. Don: And then Chris Hinesworth, elevated thorough. JRD: He did. MAS: So that was what, 10 minutes? Don: Let's knock out the hack hack of the week. MAS: This is gonna go full circle. JRD: Yeah, he did. Well I changed my point of view behind Don: Hack of week, bro. JRD: a full circle. What if you still came up? Yeah. MAS: No, it's great. It's definitely productive. I'm just saying how long it took. JRD: Well it it's gonna it's gonna take a while. Brev: Yeah Don: We've just been saying the same thing. MAS: That's what I'm saying, bro. That's the circle. That's JRD: No. MAS: the hack bar. Don: Full just must argue, bro. JRD: No, I just think I understand where you guys are coming from. And the way JD explained it made me no Don: You knew where we come from 'cause we explained it to you in the softest and kindest MAS: It was a matter of Don: manner p possible. He he's like, Well, if you're a comic Brev: We were just talking about the elevation of the character and we were saying how Robert Downey elevated the character. Don: book fan and you watched it and you know what the character was already, then no way you can navigate MAS: You JRD: That's not how it was sounding. That's not how it was Don: it can't get elevated Brev: I Don: in your mind. Like, no, bro, you're not MAS: Ha Don: listening. You're JRD: Yeah. Don: not listening. It's okay. JRD: I'm sorry. I just when I think of elevation, Don: you wanna knock out the hack hack of the week, bruh? JRD: I think of like the character got better. Not that the character got more popular, but I guess you mean like h he elevated the character to be more popular. That's what you're saying. Don: Yeah. However you want to put Brev: You say both. You got better and popular. Don: Yeah. Hack of the week, bro. Brev: Alright, Agla week, we got the NFL season coming up. I know we've been saying NFL's back, but it's really back now. So just make sure you support your team. Ride for them. Get your gear on. Get more gear, because you never know what's going to happen. I don't think anyone saw the Seahawks win the Super Bowl in the beginning of last year. So just make sure you ride with your team, no matter how irrational you might be. Just be that fan for your team. Make sure you ride for them. You got to stay consistent throughout the whole season. matter how, no matter if your boys are talking shit and don't want to let you talk about your team, make sure you ride with them, bruh. Make sure you ride with them, bruh. JRD: Yeah. And Don: What are you talking about? JRD: and I'm saying it Don: When don't we know when don't we let people talk about their teams? JRD: I'm saying it now. August to today is August eighteenth, twenty twenty six at eight forty seven PM Pacific time. The Dallas Cowboys will go to the Super Bowl. Brev: You just said NFC Championship earlier, so now you're saying Superbowl. Don: Yeah. JRD: no I'm changing it. Don: This one will be done. JRD: We're going Brev: Right. JRD: to the Super Bowl. We're probably gonna play the Bills. Dallas Cowboys versus the Bills. Clock it on on Brev: Man, if you go to school. Don: But I'm brev, when do we never let people talk about when Brev: Josh, I'll put money on this right now, actually. Don: do we never let people talk about their teams? Brev: You never let me talk about the colts Don: we're talking about the coast now? All right, that's it. We this is the hack box. JRD: What MAS: You're JRD: were MAS: so loud. JRD: you saying or