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UK Column News Podcast 2nd April 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's just gone one o'clock on Wednesday, the
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Speaker 1: second of April twenty twenty five. Welcome to UK column News.
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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Charles Mannett and joining me in the studio,
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Speaker 1: today's Mike Robinson. Welcome to the program, Mike. Thanks Charles.
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Speaker 1: Also we have Vanessa Bailey and Sandy Adams joining by
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Speaker 1: video link. To be a full program today as always,
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Speaker 1: and we'll be looking at the themes of persistent themes
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Speaker 1: I suppose of freedom of speech and censorship and what's
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Speaker 1: been going on in various parts of the Middle East
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Speaker 1: as well as migration. But we're going to start with
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Speaker 1: freedom of speech.
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Speaker 2: Mike, Yes andday, Thanks Charles. Last Thursday, the Metropolitan Police
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Speaker 2: ridded the Westminster Quaker meeting House to arrest six women
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Speaker 2: who had met to discuss gaza, amongst other things, climate
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Speaker 2: was one of the other things. By this, a group
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Speaker 2: of women were a part of what was described as
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Speaker 2: a welcome meeting for an organization called Youth Demand, which
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Speaker 2: calls itself a non violent protest group. Now here's their website. Sorry,
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Speaker 2: that's just here's their website. If we can get it
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Speaker 2: to work. Sorry, but that here we go now you'll
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Speaker 2: look at the style of this and you might say
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Speaker 2: that it's very reminiscent of the style of extinction rebellion
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Speaker 2: and just stop oil. And in fact, their activists carry
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Speaker 2: out a very similar style of protest, using spray paint
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Speaker 2: for example, defacing works of art and so on. So
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Speaker 2: now the police themselves handcuffed the women and seize their
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Speaker 2: belongings and they were then taken to the police station
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Speaker 2: and their student flats were ridded and searched. The police
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Speaker 2: were armed at tasers. And though I totally disagree with
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Speaker 2: the style of protests that these organizations use, protest, you know,
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Speaker 2: is one thing, criminal damage is another, particularly adams of
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Speaker 2: cultural significance. But there is the possibility that these organizations
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Speaker 2: are in fact agents of the state. But whether or
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Speaker 2: not that's the case, their tactics are certainly being used
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Speaker 2: by the state as an excuse for limitations on protest
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Speaker 2: and for exactly the type of police activity that we're
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Speaker 2: seeing here now, going back to this Quacker press release
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Speaker 2: that on their website, they aside from thanking everyone for
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Speaker 2: their support, they're saying the following that since the introduction
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Speaker 2: of the police crime sentencing and Courts Act twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: two and the Public Order Act twenty twenty three. The
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Speaker 2: right to protest has been severely restricted vague and sweeping definitions.
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Speaker 2: That's my emphasis. By the way, vague and sweeping definitions
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Speaker 2: mean that even discussing peaceful protests can be criminalized. They're
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Speaker 2: going to say, this is not just about the actions
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Speaker 2: of the police, but about laws that undermine democracy itself.
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Speaker 2: In a democratic society, people must have the right to
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Speaker 2: assemble and to speak out, even when their views challenge
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Speaker 2: those in power. We have been now, we've been reporting
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Speaker 2: the issue of freedom of speech related to Gaza for
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Speaker 2: quite some time now, and Richard Medhurst a perfect example
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Speaker 2: of this, with people in the UK being arrested by
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Speaker 2: the British mugime under terror legislation. Richard Medhurst, to say,
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Speaker 2: is one of these people, and the campaign to shut
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Speaker 2: him up has apparently now moved also to Austria where
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Speaker 2: he has been experiencing similar treatment to the type of
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Speaker 2: treatment he's been receiving in the UK. And so we've
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Speaker 2: got the UK behaving like this with people in Quaker houses.
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Speaker 2: We've got and also Richard Medhurst and Vanessa Billy and
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Speaker 2: others we'll talk to Vanessa in the second on this
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Speaker 2: and also in Europe. But anyone that thought that the
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump region would be the basting of free speech
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Speaker 2: is getting a ride awakening there as well, because here
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Speaker 2: is a video. Let's just have a look at this.
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Speaker 2: This video clip is showing a group of people in
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Speaker 2: plain clothes. Now, they weren't initially masked, but they very
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Speaker 2: quickly massed up here from this c TV footage. They
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Speaker 2: offered no identification. They eventually said that they were the police,
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Speaker 2: but they only said they were police. They didn't actually
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Speaker 2: offer any proper idea. This girl was lifted without due
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Speaker 2: process or explanation, and it became subsequently it came to
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Speaker 2: light that she had been removed to detention center in Louisiana.
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Speaker 2: The reason for the arrest and her removal, well, apparently
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Speaker 2: it was because she was involved in writing an opinion
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Speaker 2: piece for the Tuft Daily, which is a student run
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Speaker 2: newspaper at Toft University. Now, the article criticized the university
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Speaker 2: for its stance on Gaza, and there was in the article.
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Speaker 2: It was no advocating for violence, there was no support
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Speaker 2: for terrorism, there was no criticism of the US government.
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Speaker 2: But even if there were. The article was published in
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Speaker 2: March twenty twenty four, when Biden was president, so why
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Speaker 2: it's taken them. This is clearly a new policy that
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Speaker 2: we're saying in action here, and this is happening across
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Speaker 2: the United States. So she was eventually dragged off by
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Speaker 2: these people, all masked up and so on. I just said,
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Speaker 2: you could see the article. This is the op ed
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Speaker 2: try again, President Kumar. This is the president of the
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Speaker 2: university renewing calls for toughs to adopt the March fourth
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Speaker 2: TCU Senate resolutions. So that was the article that they published.
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Speaker 2: But what we're saying is this behavior right across the UK,
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Speaker 2: the European Union, many people remain silent, remaining silent and
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Speaker 2: what's going on, Perhaps because they're pro Israel, or perhaps
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Speaker 2: because they don't like Muslims too much, But I think
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Speaker 2: this is a naive and dangerous position to take. What
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Speaker 2: we saw in that video looked like what we might
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Speaker 2: expect from the conscription gangs in Ukraine or from Nazi Germany.
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Speaker 2: And Niemoller's poem comes to mind here, And that might
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Speaker 2: seem like a cliche to some, but it really does
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Speaker 2: to me seem appropriate Vanessa, We've got about a minute there.
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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on this?
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean we're seeing this complete ramping up
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Speaker 3: of really gestapo tactics, for particularly from the Trump administration.
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Speaker 3: The video is being put out about those that are
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Speaker 3: being deported to El Salvador, for example, is just insane.
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Speaker 3: And of course the UK was leading in this kind
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Speaker 3: of discrimination against anyone protesting government policy, but now under Trump,
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Speaker 3: the US seems to be catching up.
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Speaker 1: Any thoughts, absolutely, well, I think you alluded to it.
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Speaker 1: But the way in which the funding of protest to
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Speaker 1: engineer a particular result in the sort of problem reaction
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Speaker 1: solution dialectic is very evident. I mean, we've seen this
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Speaker 1: time again is exactly what's on the horizon with the
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Speaker 1: Crime and Policing Bill now. And also again this very
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Speaker 1: disturbing trend of any sort of implicit criticism of Israel
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Speaker 1: being regarded as somehow anti Semitic and therefore illegal or unlawful.
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Speaker 1: It is an absolute disgrace. So that, I mean, I
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Speaker 1: think that takes us into a sort of a different
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Speaker 1: branch of censorship, which was talked about on Monday. But
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Speaker 1: we look at offcom and of course censorship remains a
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Speaker 1: persistent theme for UK Column in terms of news reporting,
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Speaker 1: and with very good reason if we can just push
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Speaker 1: on on the on screen. But Ben and Brown's back
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Speaker 1: about it on Monday with a special reference to the
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Speaker 1: influences on the so called regulator Offcom, and as was
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Speaker 1: made clear, the central purpose of Offcom as far as
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Speaker 1: voices which are not Establishment approved our concern, is to
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Speaker 1: act as censor in chief. And the reason for the
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Speaker 1: focus on this right now is that the parts of
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Speaker 1: the Online Safety Act of twenty twenty three are being
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Speaker 1: described as coming into force and in doing so they're
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Speaker 1: shifting the burden ofsibility for exposure to harm from the
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Speaker 1: individual to the broadcasting entity. So we see here that
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Speaker 1: Ofcom says that as of the seventeenth March, Offcom can
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Speaker 1: now enforce against the regime. Now not only are they
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Speaker 1: able to make content providers aware of their supposed duties,
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Speaker 1: but they're also empowered to enforce against the resume as
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Speaker 1: the slide shows, and critically, the specific burden which Bryan
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Speaker 1: alluded to falls upon the moderation and control of content
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Speaker 1: on a platform which may be described as user to user.
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Speaker 1: So in the case of UK Column, this is a
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Speaker 1: specific reference to the members' forums, and the critical distinction
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Speaker 1: being made by both the Online Safety Act and OFFCOM
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Speaker 1: is between comments made in response to provide a content
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Speaker 1: a news program, for example, and comments made in a
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Speaker 1: thread which could have been started by members themselves. So
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Speaker 1: where what's called user to user content is concerned, OFCOM
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Speaker 1: is demanding that platforms provide a risk assessment in order
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Speaker 1: to articulate how they will deal with content which is
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Speaker 1: deemed either harmful or unlawful or both. And what's extremely
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Speaker 1: important to understand here is that even if the Provider
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Speaker 1: UK column, for example, has not broadcast any contentious material,
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Speaker 1: we may still be held liable for completely unrelated content
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Speaker 1: by sorry conduct by members in the forums. So I
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Speaker 1: think the significance of this must be looked at in
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Speaker 1: two specific ways. First of all, it sets out it
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Speaker 1: sets a precedent online which maybe then rolled out into
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Speaker 1: the real world. So to use a perhaps sim over
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Speaker 1: simplistic analogy, But at the moment, if say a fight
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Speaker 1: breaks out in the pub, there's no suggestion that the
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Speaker 1: pub should be held liable unless, of course it or
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Speaker 1: the landlord has conducted a particular activity which could have
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Speaker 1: precipitated or incited the incident. So to extend this analogy,
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Speaker 1: the Online Safety Act would hold the pub libl regardless
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Speaker 1: of whether they were using a punch up themed evening
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Speaker 1: or not. Now it doesn't take much imagination to see
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Speaker 1: how any sort of venue could be threatened simply because
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Speaker 1: of the conduct of the people in there, and completely
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Speaker 1: regardless of the sort of event held by the venue.
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Speaker 2: Just before you go on. I mean, this is why
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Speaker 2: we've seen these small forums, these volunteer lead forums closing
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Speaker 2: down over the last couple of weeks in the UK.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, I mean that the pressure and the threat which
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Speaker 1: will sort of come onto is very very evident, and
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Speaker 1: of course the expectation is that organizations will in effect
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Speaker 1: jump before they're pushed. But the second issue is one
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Speaker 1: of discrimination, and the wording of the Act is such
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Speaker 1: that the targets of offcom's scrutiny and powers are of
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Speaker 1: course the independent providers where users have a means of
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Speaker 1: communicating with one another, and there exists a specific exemption
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Speaker 1: for providers which only host user comments that are in
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Speaker 1: response to provide a content. So this means that if
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Speaker 1: the BBC or the Daily Mail host comments which reference
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Speaker 1: criminal activity, say terrorism or incitement violence or public order,
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Speaker 1: they may not be held liable with regard to statute legislation.
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Speaker 1: There are a couple of points to be made. Firstly,
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Speaker 1: and as stated by the Crime Prosecution Service, there's an
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Speaker 1: unenforceable pressure to deal with the crime if you witness one.
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Speaker 1: But as they go on to say, there's no legal
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Speaker 1: obligation to do anything about it if they refer specifically
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Speaker 1: to contacting the police. But of course the Online Safety
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Speaker 1: Act turns this on its head, and also the Interpretation
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Speaker 1: Act of nineteen seventy eight suggests that it is possible
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Speaker 1: for companies to be discriminated against, shown here in the
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Speaker 1: Act that a person includes a body of persons corporate
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Speaker 1: or unincorporated. That goes all the way back to eighteen
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Speaker 1: eighty nine, and this really doesn't seem to have been
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Speaker 1: raised in relation to the regime of censorship. The next
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Speaker 1: thing we come to is what I've described as an
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Speaker 1: enormous conflict of interest which is set before offcom in
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Speaker 1: that's there to reward themselves financially for enforcing this censorship.
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Speaker 1: So this turns out to be, or could turn out
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Speaker 1: to be a very lucrative exercise. Now last year, admittedly
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Speaker 1: they only pulled in seven million in penalties, but they
12:21
Speaker 1: do boast that in previous years twenty eighteen they've they
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Speaker 1: issued Role Male with a fifty million pound financial penalty
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Speaker 1: for breaking competition law. And now they're suggesting, with the
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Speaker 1: raft of powers that they have been granted, that they
12:37
Speaker 1: could find to a value of up to eighteen million
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Speaker 1: or indeed ten percent of the qualifying worldwide revenue, whichever
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Speaker 1: is the greater. So not only do they have a
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Speaker 1: new range of enforcement powers, but they especially believe that
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Speaker 1: they can interdict businesses that do not even have a
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Speaker 1: UK footprint. Now, the thing to note here is that
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Speaker 1: offcom sits within the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology,
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Speaker 1: and there can be little doubt that they would consider
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Speaker 1: a success if OFCOM returned more money to them as
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Speaker 1: per the route on this diagram. So, as I said,
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Speaker 1: with the censorship really lies at the heart of this,
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Speaker 1: and Ben showed us on Monday that the Demos report
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Speaker 1: suggests that we're in a democratic emergency, and I might
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Speaker 1: put it that we're an emergency of a different kind.
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Speaker 1: And I think it's always worth looking back to see
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Speaker 1: where this does come from. And I would therefore cite
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Speaker 1: the Criminal Code of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic,
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Speaker 1: drawn up in nineteen twenty four and translated into English
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Speaker 1: exactly one hundred years ago, which sets out the counter
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Speaker 1: revolutionary crime, and it SAIDs here that the term counter
13:51
Speaker 1: revolutionary is applied to any act committed with the intention
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Speaker 1: of overthrowing, undermining, or weakening the authority of the Workers
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Speaker 1: and Peasants Government fund on the Constitution of the Russian
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Speaker 1: Socialist Defederative Soviet Republic, and the echo I think is
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Speaker 1: impossible to ignore with the new definition of extremism in
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, which says that extremism is the promotion
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Speaker 1: or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred, or
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Speaker 1: intolerance that aims to undermine, overturn, or replace the UK
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Speaker 1: system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights. So obviously
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Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about with regard to free
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Speaker 1: speech and censorship, but we're now going to go to
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Speaker 1: Vanessa will tell us a bit more about what Roger
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Speaker 1: Waters has been doing with specific regard to the Yalta
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Speaker 1: Conference of nineteen forty five, Yes, well.
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Speaker 4: The eighty of the Alta Conference, where Roger Waters.
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Speaker 3: Gave quite an incredibly moving, extraordinary speech actually that I've
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Speaker 3: published in full my substack.
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Speaker 5: But yeah, it was the eightieth.
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Speaker 3: Anniversary of, of course, the March nineteen forty five yel
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Speaker 3: To Conference, which involved Stalin, Churchill and Roosevelt to basically
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Speaker 3: divide up what was left of Europe after World War
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Speaker 3: Two and to put the UN into motion. Roger Waters
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Speaker 3: goes into some detail about the formation of the UN
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Speaker 3: and the replacement of the League of Nations and so
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Speaker 3: on in his beach and I do really recommend people
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Speaker 3: read it. As I said, I've published it up at
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Speaker 3: my substec. We will not move one solitary inch towards
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Speaker 3: your armageddon. So I've just taken some excerpts from the speech.
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Speaker 3: First of all, So he talks about every day waking
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Speaker 3: up and basically girding himself to deal with the horrors
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Speaker 3: that are being produced by our various respective governments.
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Speaker 5: What can I do today? What do I prepare? Why
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Speaker 5: do I prepare for battle every day?
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Speaker 3: Because every day we're fighting the existential battle of the
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Speaker 3: soul of the human race. And I think this is
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Speaker 3: something that we've all alluded to on UK column. And
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Speaker 3: he goes on to say, the truth is that what
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Speaker 3: Western governments are doing when they support Israel's psychotic blood
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Speaker 3: path is not simply justifying Israel's horrific crimes.
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Speaker 5: They're also defending themselves.
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Speaker 3: In defense of their own indefensible imperial pasts.
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Speaker 5: The entire speech is.
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Speaker 3: I keep saying it, but please go and read it,
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Speaker 3: because it's beautifully written, and it's written from the heart,
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Speaker 3: and I think it sends a message to all of
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Speaker 3: us who are trying to navigate the horrific scenes that
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Speaker 3: we're being forced to watch as a result of our
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Speaker 3: governments foreign policies. And so he ends up with saying,
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Speaker 3: it is not God who is giving Israel permission to
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Speaker 3: continue its murderous rampage.
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Speaker 5: It is us.
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Speaker 3: We can stand shoulder to shoulder, arm in arm, face
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Speaker 3: to face with Trump, with Netanyahu and Starmer, and armed
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Speaker 3: with love and truth, we the Choir will find the
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Speaker 3: strength to say enough.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 3: Obviously this is a very idealistic statement, but at the
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Speaker 3: same time, I think he's alluding to the unity that
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Speaker 3: we've been continuously talking about that instead of allowing ourselves
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Speaker 3: to be distracted and divided by the narratives that are
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Speaker 3: obviously being produced exactly to do that. We should be
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Speaker 3: standing against what is effectively an ongoing genocide, whether it's
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Speaker 3: in Palastine, whether it's in Lebanon, whether it's in all
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Speaker 3: of the global South in Yemen right now, and unification
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Speaker 3: is the only way that we are going to be
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Speaker 3: able to stand and face those that are perpetrating the
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Speaker 3: crimes against humanity.
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Speaker 1: Thanks very muching us. It sounds like a speech that
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Speaker 1: would definitely be worth reading. Usually, anything that Roger Water
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Speaker 1: says is these days either ignored or gets a pretty
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Speaker 1: bad reception in the mainstream. Has there been much of
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Speaker 1: a response to this, No, not.
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Speaker 5: That I've seen.
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Speaker 3: Actually, I've just been sort of reading through the speech
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Speaker 3: this morning. It's getting a good reception of course on
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Speaker 3: various social media platforms.
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Speaker 5: But I'm quite sure you will come in for some
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Speaker 5: flag at.
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Speaker 3: Some point, probably more from the Trump administration than anywhere else.
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Speaker 3: If you remember, it was Robert Kennedy Junior who led
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Speaker 3: the attack against him previously.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, indeed, veressa, thank you so much. Indeed, now we're
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Speaker 1: going to come to Sandy who spoke last week about sanctuary. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: it's a couple of weeks ago. I think now about
18:44
Speaker 1: sanctuary city. So I think you have an update for us, Sandy.
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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean following on from last week's article I
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Speaker 6: did on Monday on sanctuary cities. Yeah, on Monday evening,
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Speaker 6: Western Souper Mayor Town council voted eleven to I think
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Speaker 6: it's eleven to fourteen to become a city of sanctuary
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Speaker 6: despite growing concerns from the people of Western. About two
19:07
Speaker 6: hundred people turned up at the town hall to raise
19:09
Speaker 6: their concerns and it was deemed a protest, which I
19:12
Speaker 6: thought was quite interesting by the council. I mean, these
19:15
Speaker 6: are just concerned citizens worried about, you know, whether the
19:19
Speaker 6: town can sustain this amount of people. So there'd be
19:23
Speaker 6: no public consultation on this, and there was a motion
19:26
Speaker 6: in place to defer the vote, which was overruled. So
19:30
Speaker 6: people keep asking what's going on. I mean Stahmer vowed
19:33
Speaker 6: to smash the gangs, right, and so far we're not seeing.
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Speaker 6: We're just seeing no attempt to smash these these so
19:40
Speaker 6: called gangs bringing in the votes and it's causing massive
19:43
Speaker 6: division here. I mean that's the problem. So is there
19:47
Speaker 6: a government operation fulfilling this role? And you know, I've
19:51
Speaker 6: looked into into, you know, the early European Union and
19:56
Speaker 6: what really happened, and some people speak of a long
20:00
Speaker 6: term plan called the Colergy Plan from the nineteen twenties.
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Speaker 6: So I thought I'd take a deep dive into this
20:06
Speaker 6: because it does seem that there was a you know,
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Speaker 6: Colergy did exist. It's not a conspiracy theory. And he
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Speaker 6: wrote a book called Practical Idealism in twenty I think
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Speaker 6: it was nineteen twenty five, and he was the founder
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Speaker 6: of the Pan European Movement, which was the first serious
20:27
Speaker 6: proposal for European unification at the time. And you know,
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Speaker 6: you look at the index for his book, and you
20:38
Speaker 6: know that there's a lot of talk about technocracy, elitism,
20:43
Speaker 6: and breeding and interbreeding and sort of you know, there's
20:51
Speaker 6: a lot of it's a globalist blueprint, really, and not
20:55
Speaker 6: one rooted in egalitarian democracy. It's rather led by a
21:01
Speaker 6: sort of an enlightened elite, he calls it. And Clergy
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Speaker 6: was born in eighteen sixty four. He was of mixed race.
21:09
Speaker 6: His father was an Austrian aristocrat diplomat, and his mother
21:12
Speaker 6: was from a notable wealthy Japanese family with Samurai heritage,
21:17
Speaker 6: so very very quite you know, quite amazing sort of
21:21
Speaker 6: bloodline he had. But he was very, very entitled, and
21:27
Speaker 6: you know, he promoted missignation, which is racial mixing as
21:31
Speaker 6: a means of overcoming nationalism and tribal divisions, envisioning the
21:35
Speaker 6: future of Europe as a mixed race sort of a continent.
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Speaker 6: Because practical idealism was really the key for understanding Colergy's vision.
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Speaker 6: And on page twenty seven he said, the man of
21:51
Speaker 6: the distant future will be a hybrid. You know, he
21:56
Speaker 6: said today's races and classes will gradually disappear due to
21:59
Speaker 6: the elimination of space, time and prejudice. This new race
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Speaker 6: of the future, similar in appearance to the ancient Egyptians,
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Speaker 6: will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. Well,
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Speaker 6: it's quite an interesting concept, you know. He was never
22:20
Speaker 6: really he never, He didn't call it a plan himself.
22:23
Speaker 6: But what's happened is it was adopted by the architects
22:26
Speaker 6: of the European Union.
22:29
Speaker 7: Later.
22:31
Speaker 6: Clergy had close ties with many powerful figures. You know,
22:34
Speaker 6: he had financial elite backers. Max Warburg, powerful banker from
22:38
Speaker 6: the Warburg banking family in Germany, funded his Pan Europa
22:41
Speaker 6: project in the early days and Baron Louis de Rothschid,
22:44
Speaker 6: the Austrian branch of the famous Rothschild family, also supported
22:48
Speaker 6: his efforts. And he did say that the European finances
22:51
Speaker 6: and intellectuals were an essential part of this vision of
22:55
Speaker 6: a united and post national Europe. So Colergy also had
23:00
Speaker 6: tax in royal families like Otto von Habsburg, who later
23:04
Speaker 6: became president of the Pan European Union. Now, the connection
23:09
Speaker 6: to the European Union is that Pan Europer didn't become
23:13
Speaker 6: the EU. It deeply influenced the post World War II
23:17
Speaker 6: architects of Europe, people like Robert Schumann gene Money. You know,
23:23
Speaker 6: he was the primary architect of the European Coal and
23:25
Speaker 6: Steel Community, the precursor to the EU. And although he
23:29
Speaker 6: wasn't a Pan Europer member, his vision mirrored Colergy's goals
23:32
Speaker 6: of supernational control. So we've got all these all these
23:36
Speaker 6: different people adopted his his ideology, particularly Peter Sutherland, you
23:41
Speaker 6: know who was you know, if we fast forward to
23:44
Speaker 6: the twentieth and early twenty first centuries, Peter so Sutherland
23:48
Speaker 6: often referred to as the father of globalization. He played
23:51
Speaker 6: a pivotal role in shaping policies that promoted the European integration.
23:55
Speaker 6: He was a strong advocate for migration, viewing it as
23:59
Speaker 6: an essent for economic growth and cultural exchange with Europe.
24:03
Speaker 6: His work emphasized the importance of open borders and the
24:06
Speaker 6: free movement of people, aligning with the foundational principles of
24:10
Speaker 6: the Pan European movement. The connections to the World Economic
24:15
Speaker 6: Forum and Agenda twenty thirty. You know you've got the WEF.
24:19
Speaker 6: You know their whole global economic policies related to European
24:23
Speaker 6: integration and migration. And Peter Sutherland was an active participant
24:27
Speaker 6: in the WEF, contributing to the dialogues on immigration and
24:32
Speaker 6: its role in global development. So you know we've got
24:35
Speaker 6: a Gender twenty thirty with the Sustainable Goals. This all
24:39
Speaker 6: links up. This goal resonates with the principles and advocated
24:43
Speaker 6: by pudenhof Clergy and later supported by figures like Sutherland
24:47
Speaker 6: and the Sutherland was behind the Global Compact for Safe,
24:52
Speaker 6: Orderly and Regular Migration and that was in twenty eighteen.
24:58
Speaker 6: I think you've also got the the International Office of Migration.
25:04
Speaker 6: We've got all these documents that prove that there is
25:08
Speaker 6: a concerted effort to bring this migration in so the
25:15
Speaker 6: pan European Union. It does still exist today. It's headquartered
25:19
Speaker 6: in Austria and it was officially recognized by the European
25:21
Speaker 6: Parliament in the nineteen seventies as a forerunner of the EU.
25:25
Speaker 6: And we have the Charlemagne Prize, which is awarded to
25:27
Speaker 6: figures who promote European unity, and it was first given
25:31
Speaker 6: to Kunhoak clergy in nineteen fifty. And you know, if
25:35
Speaker 6: you look at the recipients of the Charlemagne Prize, it's
25:39
Speaker 6: given every year by the city of Arkan, and you
25:42
Speaker 6: can google it if you want to see those who've
25:44
Speaker 6: been rewarded for EU unification. The Charlemagne Prize is really
25:50
Speaker 6: the place to be looking. And it's a bit of
25:54
Speaker 6: a Rhodes Gallery really. Charlemagne was the leader of the
25:57
Speaker 6: Frankish Empire, which later became the Holy Roman Empire, who
25:59
Speaker 6: was unified Western Europe. So in nineteen fifty six you've
26:04
Speaker 6: got Winston surch Churchill nineteen sixty three, Edward Heath receives
26:09
Speaker 6: the prize eighty seven, Henry Kissinger nineteen ninety nine, Tony
26:13
Speaker 6: Blair two thousand, Bill Clinton two thousand and eight, Angela Merkel,
26:19
Speaker 6: twenty sixteen, Pope Francis, twenty eighteen, Emmanuel Macron and twenty
26:26
Speaker 6: nineteen Antonio Guterres, and just lately in twenty twenty three,
26:31
Speaker 6: Vladimir Zelenski and the Ukrainian people were awarded it. In
26:35
Speaker 6: twenty twenty three, in twenty twenty four Rabbi Pinschast Goldschmidt
26:40
Speaker 6: and the Jewish Communities of Europe, and in twenty twenty
26:43
Speaker 6: five Ursula von Leyden. So it is a bit of
26:47
Speaker 6: a rose gallery and it's you know, the Global Compact
26:53
Speaker 6: for Migration, the United Nations Compact that was led up
26:57
Speaker 6: by Peter Sutherland in twenty eighteen. So there is a
27:01
Speaker 6: direct link with the Kudenhove clergy's ideology, although there was
27:05
Speaker 6: no actual plan. And we've got the migration and the
27:09
Speaker 6: twenty thirty Agenda, the migration, the International Officers migration, so
27:14
Speaker 6: there is definitely enough evidence to prove that yes, is
27:18
Speaker 6: there a plan? Well, yes there is and so and
27:23
Speaker 6: the thing is that we're we're sort of led to
27:25
Speaker 6: believe that we are being in some way racist or
27:29
Speaker 6: right wing in actually flagging this up and calling it
27:34
Speaker 6: out because that we cannot sustain a thousand people coming
27:38
Speaker 6: in a week, which is what it's looking as though
27:40
Speaker 6: it's building up to. So anyway, I don't know what,
27:45
Speaker 6: you know, what the I've been looking also at the
27:50
Speaker 6: Indigenous People's Declaration, the Human Rights and in you know,
27:55
Speaker 6: if there's any lawyers who can help us out here,
28:00
Speaker 6: because we are the indigenous people of this country, and
28:04
Speaker 6: Indigenous people and indidividuals have the right not to be
28:07
Speaker 6: subjected to force assimilation or destruction of their culture, and
28:11
Speaker 6: it states that people should be provided with effective mechanisms
28:15
Speaker 6: for a prevention of and redress for any action that
28:18
Speaker 6: has the aim or effect of depriving them of their
28:20
Speaker 6: integrity as distinct peoples, or of their cultural values or
28:25
Speaker 6: ethnic identities. Any action which has the aim or effect
28:29
Speaker 6: of dispossessing them of their lands, territories, or resources. Any
28:33
Speaker 6: form of forced population transfer which has the aim or
28:36
Speaker 6: effect of violating or undermining any of their rights, any
28:40
Speaker 6: form of forced assimilation or integration, any form of propaganda
28:45
Speaker 6: designed to promote or incite racial or ethnic discrimination directed
28:49
Speaker 6: against them. So you know, this is Article eight of
28:53
Speaker 6: the Declaration of Indigenous People. So you know, if there's
29:00
Speaker 6: any lawse out there, you can sort of shine some
29:03
Speaker 6: light on that, because I think we're going to need
29:06
Speaker 6: to be able to fight back on this because it's
29:09
Speaker 6: getting so it's such a hot topic at the moment
29:12
Speaker 6: and it's just being brought in against the wishes of
29:16
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29:17
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29:23
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29:29
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29:33
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29:36
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29:39
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29:39
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32:01
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32:07
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32:13
Speaker 1: the idea of banking as a control mechanism. But I
32:15
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32:17
Speaker 2: Well, for censorship amongst other things. So you know, over
32:20
Speaker 2: the years we've been reporting on deplatforming and various people
32:24
Speaker 2: by the banks and by the processors, Nigel Farage. Coots
32:27
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32:30
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32:36
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32:41
Speaker 2: just to name a few. So well, let me introduce
32:45
Speaker 2: you to this website, bad Banking. This has been produced
32:49
Speaker 2: by Talk Liberation, which is a previously focused software development
32:53
Speaker 2: organization which is building a new social media platform called Pancuick.
32:57
Speaker 2: They've announced they're suing an icelandic bank Iceland Spanky in court.
33:04
Speaker 2: So now joining me to discuss this today is John
33:07
Speaker 2: kyriaka John I Hope for produnce you surnam correctly. Welcome
33:11
Speaker 2: to the program. First of all, tell us about Talk Liberation,
33:15
Speaker 2: what you're doing with Pandquake.
33:18
Speaker 7: Talk Liberation is the parent company of Pancake. Panquake itself
33:22
Speaker 7: was established about five years ago, actually exactly five years
33:27
Speaker 7: ago as a privacy and transparency focused social media platform.
33:33
Speaker 7: It's transformed into something bigger than that. It's transformed into
33:37
Speaker 7: something now that is designing software using open source code
33:44
Speaker 7: that would allow people to, for example, surf the Internet
33:47
Speaker 7: without being tracked. The Pancake social media platform itself would
33:53
Speaker 7: allow people to do essentially what they do on any
33:57
Speaker 7: of the big platforms, but without being tracked, without being followed,
34:00
Speaker 7: without being sent to one place or another by algorithms,
34:04
Speaker 7: something that's completely transparent and yet protective of individual privacy.
34:11
Speaker 2: So the bank in Iceland, what did they do and
34:14
Speaker 2: what was the impact on the work that you were doing.
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Speaker 7: Well back in two thousand and two, the bank here
34:21
Speaker 7: in Iceland, Iceland Banky arbitrarily capriciously simply froze Pancakes accounts
34:31
Speaker 7: without any explanation. It froze the accounts, which in turn
34:35
Speaker 7: froze the seed money, which in then turn froze development
34:40
Speaker 7: of all these wonderful products and services that the company
34:47
Speaker 7: was developing. They did this under counter terrorism and counter
34:52
Speaker 7: money laundering laws, but didn't provide any explanation. And then finally,
35:01
Speaker 7: just as arbitrarily, lifted the freeze and let the money go,
35:06
Speaker 7: which when you think about it is almost an admission
35:10
Speaker 7: that they did so improperly in the first place.
35:13
Speaker 2: So when you say they let the money go, did
35:15
Speaker 2: they reinstate your bank account or did you have to
35:17
Speaker 2: get at Vogkacan somewhere else.
35:19
Speaker 7: They reinstated the bank account again without any explanation at all.
35:24
Speaker 7: And so what we ended up doing at Pancake was
35:27
Speaker 7: was hiring WikiLeaks attorneys here in Iceland to go after
35:34
Speaker 7: the bank. You know, at the very least, we want
35:37
Speaker 7: an explanation as to why this happened, why they would interfere,
35:41
Speaker 7: and who put them up to it. Was this a
35:45
Speaker 7: decision that was taken by the bank itself, Was it
35:48
Speaker 7: taken by the Icelandic government. Was it taken by a
35:51
Speaker 7: foreign government or foreign entity asking the Icelanders to do
35:55
Speaker 7: such a thing. We just don't have any answers to
35:57
Speaker 7: these questions.
35:59
Speaker 2: And holding on to somebody's money for nine months clearly
36:03
Speaker 2: intended to put them out of business. How have you
36:06
Speaker 2: managed to keep going?
36:07
Speaker 5: Hi?
36:07
Speaker 2: Did you manage to keep going over that period of time?
36:09
Speaker 7: Then, yeah, that's a great question. We were very fortunate
36:13
Speaker 7: to have investors who really were committed to the company,
36:17
Speaker 7: and so the money was additional money was able to
36:21
Speaker 7: make its way in and we continue development. In fact,
36:26
Speaker 7: here we are despite this setback, this multi year setback,
36:30
Speaker 7: and we have almost two dozen employees. Coding continues on
36:36
Speaker 7: and we're ready to come out with multiple, multiple products.
36:42
Speaker 2: And so what kind of legal action are you intending
36:45
Speaker 2: to take.
36:47
Speaker 7: Well, we're suing the bank, and I have to be
36:49
Speaker 7: honest with you. This has been a learning experience for
36:52
Speaker 7: me personally. I'm American. I'm not used to the Icelandic
36:56
Speaker 7: method of justice. I only learned recently when I to
37:00
Speaker 7: one of the preliminary hearings here in Raykivik, that the
37:04
Speaker 7: justice system here is set up on what they describe
37:06
Speaker 7: as the German model. So there's no discovery in the
37:12
Speaker 7: American sense, in that you can't have the judge command
37:17
Speaker 7: that the other side turnover relevant documents. For example, you
37:22
Speaker 7: almost have to have a premonition that there are documents
37:25
Speaker 7: out there related to the case, and you have to
37:27
Speaker 7: specifically ask for them. And then you go into court
37:31
Speaker 7: and you say we want documents ABC and D. The
37:35
Speaker 7: judge turns and says to the other side, do you
37:37
Speaker 7: have such documents? They say yes or no. If the
37:40
Speaker 7: answer is no, then you're out of luck. If the
37:43
Speaker 7: answer is yes, you may get your documents. So it's
37:47
Speaker 7: very drawn out and it's almost as though the deck
37:52
Speaker 7: is stacked. But it also then gives you a sense
37:56
Speaker 7: of how right WikiLeaks was to finally force a settlement
38:00
Speaker 7: in its case. And how right so far panquake is
38:05
Speaker 7: that the bank backed off in the first place and
38:07
Speaker 7: released the funds.
38:10
Speaker 2: And so are you optimistic?
38:14
Speaker 7: We are optimistic. You know. The thing is is right
38:17
Speaker 7: is right, and wrong is wrong. And we knew from
38:20
Speaker 7: the beginning that we were right. We knew that there
38:24
Speaker 7: were powerful forces against us, whether they were here in
38:27
Speaker 7: Iceland or in the United States or in Europe. We
38:31
Speaker 7: knew we would have to fight these fights. And these
38:34
Speaker 7: fights have presented themselves. We have won so far. We
38:38
Speaker 7: are willing to not just go forward here in Iceland,
38:41
Speaker 7: but go forward until the bitter end, and we're confident
38:45
Speaker 7: we're going to come out ahead.
38:46
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, we'll wish you all the best on that.
38:49
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, John, thank you very much for
38:50
Speaker 2: joining us today. Details of the websites will be in
38:54
Speaker 2: the show notes, of course, and hopefully we'll hear more
38:57
Speaker 2: from you in the not distant future. So thank you
38:59
Speaker 2: for joining us.
39:00
Speaker 7: Thanks so much for having me.
39:02
Speaker 1: Thank you, John, Thanks Mike. No, we'll go back to
39:04
Speaker 1: Vanessa where we will look at how the Trump regime
39:07
Speaker 1: continues to stir things up in Yemen.
39:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trump is saber rattling all over West Asia and
39:17
Speaker 3: of course.
39:18
Speaker 5: With Iran, but particularly in Yemen. So this is what
39:22
Speaker 5: he put out a couple of days ago.
39:25
Speaker 3: The Iran backed Uti terrorists have been decimated by the
39:28
Speaker 3: relentless strikes over the past two weeks. Many of their
39:32
Speaker 3: fighters and leaders are no longer with us. We hit
39:34
Speaker 3: them day and night, harder and harder. They're capabilities that
39:38
Speaker 3: threaten shipping in the region are rapidly being destroyed. Our
39:41
Speaker 3: attacks will continue until they are no longer a threat
39:44
Speaker 3: to freedom of navigation.
39:46
Speaker 5: Quite extraordinary that this is how he's framed it. The
39:49
Speaker 5: choice for the Hooties is clear.
39:50
Speaker 3: Stop shooting at US ships and we will stop shooting
39:54
Speaker 3: at you.
39:55
Speaker 5: Otherwise we have only just begun and.
39:57
Speaker 3: The real pain is yet to come for both the
39:59
Speaker 3: hooties and their sponsors in Iran. So the usual belligerent
40:05
Speaker 3: hoopris there from Trump. He then also has posted on
40:11
Speaker 3: x about a telephone call with President Delcsia of Egypt,
40:14
Speaker 3: which he says went very well. We discussed numerous topics,
40:18
Speaker 3: among which was the tremendous military progress I'll underline that
40:24
Speaker 3: we have made against the ship destroying whoti Is in Yemen.
40:27
Speaker 5: Also discussed was Garza and possible.
40:30
Speaker 3: Solutions, military preparedness, et cetera.
40:33
Speaker 5: Now, of course, we know that Trump has been.
40:35
Speaker 3: Putting pressure on both Egypt and Jordan to basically taken
40:41
Speaker 3: enforced Gazan refugees while the genocide by Israel as being
40:47
Speaker 3: wrapped up since of course, Trump has provided them with
40:50
Speaker 3: the bombs that the bombs that were actually frozen under
40:53
Speaker 3: the Biden administration.
40:56
Speaker 5: But however, what Trump is doing.
40:59
Speaker 3: In Yemen course is that he's using the B two
41:03
Speaker 3: bombers that were deployed to Diego Garcia Island that we
41:07
Speaker 3: talked about last week to bomb effectively civilian infrastructure, while claiming,
41:13
Speaker 3: of course to be targeting the underground manufacturing facilities in
41:18
Speaker 3: Yemen of women's weapons and missiles. And in the most
41:22
Speaker 3: recent bombing campaign which was yesterday by the US and
41:26
Speaker 3: the UK, Almyer Dean's correspondent says that the US air
41:33
Speaker 3: strikes target the Water Authority building in Al Mansuria District,
41:38
Speaker 3: southeast of Hadida Province, which is on the western coast
41:42
Speaker 3: of Yemen on the Red Sea.
41:45
Speaker 5: And of course this.
41:46
Speaker 3: Is what the US does traditionally, it's what Israel has
41:50
Speaker 3: been doing both in Syria and in Lebanon.
41:54
Speaker 5: But the fact that Trump is claiming.
41:57
Speaker 3: Overwhelming force is bringing him victory against women is effectively
42:01
Speaker 3: being contradicted by the reports being put out by both
42:07
Speaker 3: partisan media with the resistance and by the Yemeni military.
42:13
Speaker 5: Spoke to people.
42:13
Speaker 3: So, first of all, the yemen armed forces have claimed
42:16
Speaker 3: to have targeted US carrier E to AW aircraft, which
42:21
Speaker 3: is their early.
42:22
Speaker 5: Warning airborne aircraft, which.
42:26
Speaker 3: Provides them with critical intelligence and potential threats to the
42:30
Speaker 3: USS Truman and provides them with essential sphilans and tracking.
42:36
Speaker 3: Now that plane is deemed to have been damaged beyond
42:39
Speaker 3: prepared by the Yemeni military. It's also notable that even
42:44
Speaker 3: in American media and even American military experts have been
42:50
Speaker 3: putting out statements saying confirming basically that Yemen is giving
42:54
Speaker 3: them a pretty hard time on the battlefront. And more recently,
42:59
Speaker 3: Yemeni force engaged in three battles with the US Navy.
43:03
Speaker 3: This is another statement by General Yahia Sorry who said
43:07
Speaker 3: that Yemeny attacks against US Navy vessels will continue to
43:12
Speaker 3: escalate progressively. And of course just we need a reminder,
43:16
Speaker 3: I think why Yemen began this blockade of the Red Sea.
43:20
Speaker 3: Of course, it was under the Article one or two
43:24
Speaker 3: of the Geneva Convention on Genocide to both prevent and
43:29
Speaker 3: punish genocide by the Zionists against the Palestinians, both in
43:34
Speaker 3: the West Bank, particularly in Gaza, and just to give
43:38
Speaker 3: an example of how that is ongoing, in the last
43:42
Speaker 3: few days, Palestinian paramedics.
43:45
Speaker 5: Shot by the IOF had their hands tied.
43:49
Speaker 3: So mass graves have effectively been found with Palestinian paramedics
43:54
Speaker 3: shot in the head or executed and then buried in
43:58
Speaker 3: mass graves.
43:59
Speaker 5: And of course what the Yemenies are most against is also.
44:05
Speaker 3: The siege of God's which includes the deliberate starvation. And
44:09
Speaker 3: I just wanted to play this video which also reminds
44:14
Speaker 3: us what we are fighting against, and I think it
44:16
Speaker 3: relates intrinsically to what Roger Waters was also saying in
44:20
Speaker 3: his speech, but.
44:21
Speaker 5: It also demonstrates why the.
44:23
Speaker 3: Yemenese are doing what they are doing, and how effectively
44:26
Speaker 3: what Trump is doing against the Yemenies is sustaining genocide
44:31
Speaker 3: by the Israeli state on long state. As I would say,
44:36
Speaker 3: so let's just play this video very quickly. So this
45:26
Speaker 3: is effectively what Trump is defending with his mass deployment
45:31
Speaker 3: to Diego Garcia and his bombardment of.
45:36
Speaker 1: As you say, sustaining genocide. Vanessa, thank you very much. Indeed,
45:39
Speaker 1: no Sandy back to you. And I think an insight
45:43
Speaker 1: into the valuation of agricultural armageddon.
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Speaker 6: Yes, and another nail in the coffin. You know, it
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Speaker 6: seems to be the destruction of British farming yet again.
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Speaker 6: A company called Bidstats, who are a agricultural valuation company,
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Speaker 6: have been tasked by the government to value livestock, crops,
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Speaker 6: agricultural plant equipment and other similar assets, similar assets, and
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Speaker 6: they're recruiting at the moment and they're required to enable
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Speaker 6: government to pay compensation to owners of animals, crops, equipment, etc.
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Speaker 6: When we order the destruction of their property if we
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Speaker 6: order the culling of animals with diseases such as tb
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Speaker 6: av in flu or foot in mouth. So this is
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Speaker 6: a you know, this is an absolute admission that it's
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Speaker 6: farm seizure really of equipment, livestock and the destruction of farming.
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Speaker 6: So it's very interesting. They put up an advert that
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Speaker 6: they're recruiting for valuers now to do this stuff, and
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Speaker 6: they've renewed their contract and this is the renewal of
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Speaker 6: that contract twenty twenty five renewal of that contract. So
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Speaker 6: this is what we're looking at. If they if they
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Speaker 6: pushed through the fake PC artists and good you know,
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Speaker 6: healthy cattle, you know, potentially could die because they're just
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Speaker 6: literally going going for the farmers and going for the
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Speaker 6: livestock and the equipment. So I just feel that needed
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Speaker 6: flagging up. I did put it on X and quite
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Speaker 6: a few people have picked it up. But this is
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Speaker 6: another reason why farmers really should be looking at whether
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Speaker 6: they allow this to happen. Do they just say no?
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Speaker 6: Because I can see this as being potentially a massive
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Speaker 6: nail in the coffin of the agricultural industry.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, yes, I mean redolent of the preparations in two
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Speaker 1: thousand and for the well what was described as an
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Speaker 1: outbreak of foot and mouth in two thousand and one,
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Speaker 1: as documented in Slorted on Suspicion on the UK column
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Speaker 1: website Sandy, thank you very much. Indeed, now that moves
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Speaker 1: us again away from the land but into the arena
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Speaker 1: of gene editing. And on Monday of this week, the
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Speaker 1: Delegated Legislation Committee of the House of Commons debated the
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Speaker 1: draft Genetic Technology Regulations. The secondary legislation on what is
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Speaker 1: described as precision breeding, and this follows the General Act
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Speaker 1: of the same name of twenty twenty three. The Permanent Undersecretary,
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Speaker 1: Emma Hardy describes the draft as an enabling regulatory framework
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Speaker 1: which brings to mind the compromising corruption of the MHRA connection,
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Speaker 1: which is more relevant than ever considering that we're looking
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Speaker 1: at altering the genetic makeup of organisms. Defyro has tried
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Speaker 1: to sell this as a technology which reduces costs to
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Speaker 1: business and encourages innovation and investment in the development of
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Speaker 1: precision bred organisms. At the same time, it's insisting that
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Speaker 1: the proposed regulatory approach will be more proportionate to risk,
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Speaker 1: but it's not quite clear more proportionate than what. Unwilling
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Speaker 1: to concede that there may be any downside to this technology,
49:03
Speaker 1: Defor goes on to suggest that gene editing could help
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Speaker 1: to develop crops with improved nutritional value, resistance to disease,
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Speaker 1: and resilience to climate change. Note the word could. To
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Speaker 1: get a sense of where this is going, it's worth
49:18
Speaker 1: looking back at the progression of the narrative and here's
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Speaker 1: a video put out by the Role Society eight years ago.
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Speaker 8: First, let's look at the positives. Gene editing could make
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Speaker 8: radical improvements to human health. For example, in twenty fifteen,
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Speaker 8: doctors use genome editing techniques to cure a baby girl's leukemia.
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Speaker 8: In the future, we may be able to fix the
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Speaker 8: gene mutations that predispose some people to cancer, or enable
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Speaker 8: new therapies for HIV, or edit the genes that cause
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Speaker 8: hereditary diseases. In the plant world, it could make crops
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Speaker 8: more nutritious, disease resistance and able to grow in difficult conditions.
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Speaker 8: By editing animals genes, we could help them resist diseases.
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Speaker 8: Scientists are currently working to edit the genes of mosquitoes
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Speaker 8: to prevent them from carrying malaria. So genome editing has
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Speaker 8: enormous positive potential, But what about possible downsides. Genes could
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Speaker 8: be edited in early human embryos to alter characteristics such
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Speaker 8: as eye color that have no bearing on health. This
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Speaker 8: raises the possibility of designer babies, and changing an embryo's
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Speaker 8: DNA would not only affect the child, but their descendants too.
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Speaker 8: These same techniques could also be used to create designer
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Speaker 8: pets or develop more virulent microbial diseases, so Alongside the
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Speaker 8: many benefits of genomeediting, there are also some ethical and
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Speaker 8: societal concerns to consider. The technology is already in our hands,
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Speaker 8: now's the time to debate how we use it, regulate it,
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Speaker 8: avoid negative uses, and unlock its potential to provide life
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Speaker 8: changing solutions to some of the world's biggest challenges.
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Speaker 1: There we go, It seems quite clear that the key
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Speaker 1: message to be taken away is that if we improve
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Speaker 1: our nutrition via improving the growing conditions of our plants
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Speaker 1: and animals, we'll then be able to convert those benefits
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Speaker 1: by tinkering around with our own genetic composition for the
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Speaker 1: greater good. Of course, all of this is predicated on
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Speaker 1: the assumption that the description of precision breeding is actually accurate,
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Speaker 1: and as it stands, we're told that the results of
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Speaker 1: gene editing may only contain genetic features that could have
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Speaker 1: resulted from traditional breeding processes, and that the editing itself
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Speaker 1: is just an acceleration of other processes. So, even if
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Speaker 1: taken at face value, the law of unintended consequences will
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Speaker 1: have its part to play, and this means that nobody
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Speaker 1: can possibly know the medium to long term outcomes. What
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Speaker 1: is barely ever referred to is the response of the
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Speaker 1: environment to the precision bred organism. The focus is always
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Speaker 1: on the breeding technology and not on the consequences to
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Speaker 1: the food chain either side of the organism in question.
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Speaker 1: The reason for making this point is that it's always
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Speaker 1: stated as an absolute truth that gene editing should be
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Speaker 1: regarded as completely separate from the modification of genetic organisms,
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Speaker 1: in that GMO may introduce genetic material from unrelated species,
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Speaker 1: but given the complete uncertainty of the outcomes and the
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Speaker 1: constant use of conditional language such as it could, this
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Speaker 1: distinction is semantic rather more than legitimate. Anyway, back to Parliament,
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Speaker 1: Emma Hardy attempted to brush off the work of the
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Speaker 1: Secondary Legislation Scrutiny Committee of the House of Lords, which
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Speaker 1: had written in late March that this is a quote
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Speaker 1: complex and sensitive policy area about which there are strongly
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Speaker 1: held views, and that concerns have been raised about the
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Speaker 1: lack of labeling requirements despite apparent strong consumer preferences for
53:11
Speaker 1: mandatory labeling of products containing precision bread organisms and the
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Speaker 1: impact of the new regulatory approach on trade and organic
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Speaker 1: producers end quote. This roughly translates as a deeply held
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Speaker 1: suspicion by the public, both of the products themselves and
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Speaker 1: the way in which the government may manipulate outcomes for
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Speaker 1: consumer and producer alike. The other focus for the messaging
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Speaker 1: on this debate is that the only reason animals are
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Speaker 1: succumbing to the well publicized diseases such as foot and mouth,
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Speaker 1: blue tongue, and bird flu is that the animals themselves
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Speaker 1: are defective and in need of updating or upgrading. This
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Speaker 1: has the twin effect of ignoring the conditions that they're
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Speaker 1: kept in, as well as impregnating the public consciousness with
53:52
Speaker 1: the idea that eliminating disease via gene editing is something
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Speaker 1: which could and should be applied to humans too. So
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Speaker 1: I think we'll have more to discuss on this an
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Speaker 1: extra especially the potential for any of this regulation to
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Speaker 1: be weaponized in such a way that only gene edited
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Speaker 1: or cultured food is permissible, especially since all of this
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Speaker 1: technology is currently banned in the European Union. And finally,
54:15
Speaker 1: of course, there is the question which is almost never asked,
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Speaker 1: what if things do not turn out well, how does
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Speaker 1: DEFRA or anyone else reckon on stuffing the genie back
54:25
Speaker 1: in the lamp here a piece from the Health and
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Speaker 1: Safety Executive about an accidental release for a GMO admissively
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Speaker 1: significant and unintended release of the GMO and which presents
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Speaker 1: an immediate or delayed risk to human health or the environment.
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Speaker 1: Plenty to think about, and it deserves a great deal
54:44
Speaker 1: more scrutiny. Now this takes us back to Vanessa, where
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Speaker 1: we are going to look at what's going on in Lebanon.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, as well, yet again violating the ceasefire and the
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Speaker 4: UN Resolution seventeen oh one by bombing north of the
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Speaker 4: Litani River.
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Speaker 3: This is from Halla Dubba on ex Israel bomb favroute. Again,
55:13
Speaker 3: this was yesterday at four am, twice in one week
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Speaker 3: at four am while people slept, and there was no warning.
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Speaker 3: Well playing struck at building in the southern suburbs, no
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Speaker 3: warning and no justification. Three people, including a woman I
55:27
Speaker 3: think that's now four people. I think one person to
55:30
Speaker 3: come to their wounds were killed. Seven others were injured.
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Speaker 3: Once again, Israel brazenly violates UN Resolution seventeen oh one
55:38
Speaker 3: because impunity is the only rule it follows.
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Speaker 5: So let's have a look.
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Speaker 3: At the first attack that she's talking about. This warning
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Speaker 3: was actually put out by the ZIONUS.
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Speaker 5: Military, basically an urgent warning.
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Speaker 3: This was in the middle of the day on Monday,
55:55
Speaker 3: and the Red Square there is the building.
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Speaker 5: That was supposed to be evacuated.
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Speaker 3: But you can actually see that there were two schools
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Speaker 3: in very close proximity, at least a desire in Saint
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Speaker 3: George's School, and there was actual mass panic because the
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Speaker 3: children in those schools had very very little time to
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Speaker 3: be evacuated. There was footage of children panicking and screaming
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Speaker 3: trying to leave the school in time before the adjacent.
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Speaker 5: Building was bombed and obliterated.
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Speaker 3: And this is a very short video of the attack
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Speaker 3: at four am yesterday morning. As you can imagine, this
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Speaker 3: is showing the damage to the building. But this was
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Speaker 3: at four am when people were fast asleep and as
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Speaker 3: a friend of mine said, she woke up, she wasn't
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Speaker 3: aware it had been happening, but she was receiving hundreds
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Speaker 3: of attacks at that time in the morning. This is
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Speaker 3: in southern They were Nabby Berry, who's parliament speaker.
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Speaker 5: He says it quite succinctly.
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Speaker 3: Above all, this isn't an Israeli attempt using fire, blood
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Speaker 3: and destruction to assassinate the UN Resolution seventeen oh one
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Speaker 3: and undermine its implementation mechanism which is included in the agreement.
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Speaker 3: Ladinin has fully complied with it, and that of course includes.
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Speaker 5: Hes blah and I think what's also particularly interesting, in
57:19
Speaker 5: addition to Israel effectively bombing Lebanon with.
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Speaker 3: Impunity, satellite images which have actually been released by the
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Speaker 3: New York Times of all media outlets, reveal a growing
57:31
Speaker 3: network of Israeli outposts in both Lebanon and Syria. And
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Speaker 3: if we have a look at one of the photos
57:38
Speaker 3: and the NYT article, you can see the extent to
57:42
Speaker 3: which Israel is effectively digging in into southern Syrian territory
57:47
Speaker 3: and also into southern Lebanese diritory, although as part of
57:51
Speaker 3: the ceasefire, of course, there should have been full withdrawal
57:55
Speaker 3: of Israeli forced and in fact the exact to that
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Speaker 3: this was actually on my telegram channel yesterday towards the
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Speaker 3: end of the afternoon. In the past two hours, enemy
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Speaker 3: is Ready attacks targeted several border areas. Machine gun bursts
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Speaker 3: targeted the southern outskirts of the town of Ituru, more
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Speaker 3: machine gun bursts in the vicinity of other towns in
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Speaker 3: the south and in Shiva, and then basically along with
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Speaker 3: the machine gun sweeping operations, with the sounds of Israeli
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Speaker 3: tanks moving into southern Lovean, and so this is in
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Speaker 3: direct violation of the Sea Spire, of course. And then
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Speaker 3: on top of that, let's just have a look at
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Speaker 3: this section from the article and the NYT which shows
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Speaker 3: very clearly the red circle is the area that I've
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Speaker 3: just been talking about where Israeli tanks are basically coming
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Speaker 3: into Lebanese territory.
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Speaker 5: But you can see very clearly though, I.
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Speaker 3: Mean, if you freeze frame and have a look at
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Speaker 3: the photos or go to the article which will be.
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Speaker 5: In the show notes, you can see the development.
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Speaker 3: Of effectively settlements by Israel, both in southern Lebanon by
59:10
Speaker 3: the five highest points that we've talked about many times
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Speaker 3: on UK column and in southern Syria extending towards southern Damascus,
59:22
Speaker 3: the suburbs of Damascus. So you know, Israel continues with impunity,
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Speaker 3: bombing civilian residential areas, violating ceasefires, as of course it's
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Speaker 3: always done in Palestine, and Trump is doing absolutely nothing
59:39
Speaker 3: to stop it.
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Speaker 5: In fact, what he's doing is, as we said, sustaining
59:43
Speaker 5: the criminality of.
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Speaker 1: Israel indeed unfortunately very consistent in the way that they
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Speaker 1: conduct themselves, the at least the Trump regime and indeed
59:55
Speaker 1: the state of Israel. Unfortunately not time to go into
59:58
Speaker 1: that further now, but we definitely will in extra so
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Speaker 1: that will have to close the program out there. But
1:00:04
Speaker 1: please remember the Catherine Austin Fits interview from yesterday and
1:00:07
Speaker 1: indeed to look forward to the Carl Schwartz interview going
1:00:10
Speaker 1: out at one o'clock tomorrow. Also, may I encourage you
1:00:14
Speaker 1: to go ahead and buy that live stream ticket for
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Speaker 1: the Childen event on Saturday this Saturday, and again to
1:00:22
Speaker 1: reiterate you don't need to watch it at the time,
1:00:24
Speaker 1: but you will have access to it thereafter, so we'll
1:00:26
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing you either in person or indeed
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Speaker 1: on the end of a live stream. So it just
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Speaker 1: remains for me to thank Mike very much for being
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Speaker 1: in the studio with me and Vanessa and Sandy for
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