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Sister Wives S6 E9 - Sister Wives On the Ropes - Part 1 · My Sister Wives Podcast

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What does the nanny do? OK, so we're done.
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Goodbye. You shut it off.
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Do not twist my words. Do not make me a victim.
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Sweetie. Just look at the mountain.
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That's what you. Saw that day just the knife in
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the kidneys over all these years
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to love you. She's back.
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Kollene with AKA resident fashion expert, beauty expert,
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model extraordinaire. Girl with an opinion.
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Girl with amazing eyeshadow. Girl with an experience girl
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that you have said may or may not have looked like you, may or
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may have not looked at a time or
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For sure, I keep getting flashbacks to my yesteryear.
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It's not hard for me to connect those dots.
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I can see it. I can see it.
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Short blonde hair that was out
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Looks a little ridiculous. I wasn't as good as her at
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eyeshadow, but you know, I wish I would have been.
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She's definitely made some statements with her mouth and
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with her appearance, and we've
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statements and now we're going
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She has returned in Season 6 episode 9 of Sister Wives called
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Sister Wives on the ropes. Oh, La La.
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Now we'll get into why these sister wives are on the ropes,
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but I think Kimber, you might want to talk about some
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previously on. You've been feeling the
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previously on and the coming up on vibes recently.
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We had a flashback of previously
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Kollene where they were doing charity work for Holding Out
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Hope. Reminder to you guys, they were
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helping families that were escaping polygamy basically from
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obviously. So they're going to remind us
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who Kollene is in this flashback and then we get the next on.
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A collection of clips from the upcoming panel of which the
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Browns are going to do pro polygamy.
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Anti polygamy is how they're teeing it up.
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And I guess that is where we end up landing.
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But well, we'll get you all there.
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We're going to go on a journey. Then we just all of a sudden
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hear ominous music. I don't know if it was ominous
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And we get something that I don't think we've seen on this
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Yeah. They don't say at UNLV.
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That's revealed later, but I'm letting you guys all know now.
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I feel like it is our first episode where it's probably more
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with something and then it's two days earlier.
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Like we get back to the beginning.
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Now. We don't get any real dirt in
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this opening with the clips from the upcoming panel.
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They're just showing us a few things that we've pretty much
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already seen last week. What's telling us about what's
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there's going to be drama. Leading up to the drama two days
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Truly's heading over to Robyn's to play with the other children
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and the family. Yes.
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And I don't know if this is a setup or if it's an honest thing
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they thought they would. I do feel like one of the
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parents, whoever was in the shot, probably Christine, I
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guess, was saying like call Robyn and let her know that
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she's on the way. And it's like, well, that
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doesn't really fit with the vibes of just going door to
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door, although truly is a little scrumptious.
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She's just a little scrumptious. Scrumptious.
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So, you know, safety first, safety first.
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Kody tells us that this week their family is participating in
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Fundamentally very interesting, Kody.
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We're on the couch and everybody's talking about their
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nerves and we find out that there are going to be 4
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panelists on the anti side and then Christine says there's one
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of them. Yeah, one versus 4.
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Meaning the whole of the family as a one.
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Yeah, yeah. The together polygamists versus
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the four anti polygamists. And some of the wives take issue
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Yeah, it's pointed out to her that they're actually 5 because
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there's four wives and a husband.
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So there's actually five of them versus 4:00 on the other side,
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I kind of understand where Christine is coming from here
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because she means four people. Five people with the same story
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versus 4 with different stories.
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Yeah, so she probably means here.
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It would be nice to have some other support from an external
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family. Well that makes sense.
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Also, I just assumed that Christine was always really bad
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at math. I mean, wow, jumping to
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conclusions here. Jumping to conclusions.
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Christine shares that she told
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wants to go because Christine is
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be there to support her mother.
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And this is where Christine kind of lets it slip that it's at
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UNLV. So at the beginning we didn't
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know that, but then it is just casually mentioned and it's
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like, oh, you're just in town at the university.
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I think that they were trying to make it seem like a bigger deal
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than it is at the beginning. Yeah.
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And then we find out it's at UNLV.
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And Aspen is pretty cute here because Aspen's like, I want to
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find out more from the other side.
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Aspen was with when they did their initial Holding Out Hope
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And so Aspen is probably a little excited to see Kollene
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again. Yeah.
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Maybe. And also why not go with Aspen's
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together. She does.
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There might just be some potential drama to witness.
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So as a teenager, I would have been like, Oh yes, I want to
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support you, mother dearest. And I know there's going to be
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I love how Christine's kids are always so supportive of her and
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they show it repeatedly. We had maybe even just a couple
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episodes ago with the Q&A where the little girls were talking
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about how great she was at cooking and then how bad she was
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And I feel like her kids just seem like they love her so much.
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and it's good to see it. Well, Christine thinks that this
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panel is going to end up being
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Janelle thinks it'll be a personal experience versus
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personal experience, which is of
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says, she says these. Things.
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And that their experiences may
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experiences. It's like, OK, so are we just
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literally describing what a panel discussion would be at
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this point between oppositions?
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This is very Robyn coated. The explaining of what's about
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Oh God.
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Now Christine gives us an update
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and she references this panel member as my mother's sister,
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which I thought was interesting because your mom's sister
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would be your aunt if you were going to just refer to them in
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the layman's terms. But her mother's sister, named
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Kristen Decker, will be there.
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It was an odd choice of words.
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call her her aunt, which she has
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She's talked about an aunt that is against polygamy, but now
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she's saying one of my mom's sisters, right?
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She's trying to distance herself.
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Absolutely. That's totally the vibe.
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And Christine says her aunt will
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horrible experience in polygamy.
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Well, OK, and I guess she probably would.
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Christine says that her aunt Kristen is completely against
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polygamy. She doesn't even think that
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people should be able to choose whether they want to be part of
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polygamy or not, and she doesn't know how she's going to
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feel when she sees her. She's very nervous about seeing
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her. Robyn, you know, Robyn,
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sometimes she feels the role of Barbara Walters for this family,
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Christine, well, do you love her because she's family or do you
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It's like that is what Christine has been pointing out to us for
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the last minute. So thank you for asking the
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question of what Christine was trying to tell us.
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She is ridiculous, yeah. God, she always is.
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They all look really nice here. Yeah, OK.
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Surprisingly, yeah, normal. They all look very put together,
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No, Meri's hair looked like a normal person's haircut.
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It was bizarre. It was bizarre.
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It was sleeked down, probably with a bunch of product,
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probably a lot of oil put in those ends to make them behave
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She looked good. They all look good.
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Yeah, my only problem was Janelle's bright purple shirt.
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The purple coming from this family.
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At least it wasn't shiny. It was a matte purple.
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Oh good it. Was a matte purple.
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Showing off every opportunity to show off is what Janelle usually
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respectable. Christine says that we're giving
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her all the platforms she needs to talk about how much she
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hates our family when discussing her aunt.
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Continuing to discuss her aunt.
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And then we go to her aunt's house.
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We get to Kristen Decker's house and it's interesting because we
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see somebody walking up the driveway and this is when we see
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Yeah, and as these clips are playing of people arriving at
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Kristen's house, there's this voice over from Christine where
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she's going to talk us through who these people are or we get
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Yeah, we see Kollene with her very of the time sweatshirt.
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It's a white sweatshirt with a fuzzy collar, faux fur collar
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all the way around, very of the time, very Hollister, whatever.
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And she's got her fried short,
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short blonde hair, purple feather earrings.
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And I am totally behind this. Totally behind this.
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Do you support these choices? She takes that jacket off and
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she is wearing a chartreuse shirt.
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And I saw myself for a moment and I saw that shirt, and I have
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the same shirt, except for when she turned around, it didn't
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say. Frankie says relax, don't do it.
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And that's what mine would have said.
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Relax, don't do it. Yes, I remember that shirt
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vividly. I'm sure people that are
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listening are going to be able
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letters. It's very iconic.
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Yeah, I'm almost like astral projecting into Kollene's body
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sometimes during this, and I'm
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more. She might not be able to
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articulate herself and get across her points because she's
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still learning after being away from her cult, but I feel I
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feel the vibes. Yeah, there's a lot of astral
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projection happening with you.
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tell you it's because I am such a psychic at heart and I also
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am an empath. Capital EME, Absolutely.
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We've heard that before, right?
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Absolutely. The next person that has a
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little bit of a moment during this introduction scene at
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Kristen Decker's house is Kristen Decker herself.
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She has a little bit of a moment where they give her a bottom 3rd
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I didn't really note anything of significance that we don't
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already know. She's Christine's aunt and she
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when we heard his name announced, Willie Steed, I was
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We've got Willie Steed here and he has an interesting haircut,
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on top of his head. He's got a coconut haircut and
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When we're being introduced to these three, we are reminded
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that Kollene Snow is from the Kingston Group of Kingston,
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Arizona. They don't tell us where Kristen
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But Willie Steed, Willie WILL i.e., good old Willie is from
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the FLDS cult. So we're just being reminded
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that these people aren't all from like the same neck of the
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their, I guess the volunteering opportunities with helping
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people probably from escaping the cults.
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I'm guessing that they all escaped and got help from the
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same place or a similar organizations.
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Willie Steed has an interesting quote.
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He says not every polygamist family is like a wonderful rose
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Bush. Out in the motto.
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Out in the motto. A Willie to English translation
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is not just a wonderful rose Bush out in a Meadow, in case
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you were wondering what that was Willie.
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So to accompany this half a coconut haircut, which looks
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like a Lego piece, like you could just take it off.
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It does it's. Like a coconut head.
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Yeah, he also has that kind of a Willie.
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Bless your heart, bless your heart, love Willie, but that
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look where it's like he's looking through you a little.
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Vacant. Stare, yes, just a little like
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someone who missed a few years in life really.
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He's scared to make eye contact. It's very apparent every single
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time that Willie is talking about his story or talking to
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the camera, it's a vacant, distant look.
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And we saw that before in the episode where Kollene was first
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introduced with the boy that was introduced there, the man
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that was introduced there. And I just cannot even imagine
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developed human and coming into this world that is our fucking
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The reason I think I hesitate in even describing it sometimes is
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'cause I don't want to put too much shame on it.
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I I don't want to imply that it's well more than an
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implication. I don't want to say it's just
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like straight up inbreeding. I don't want to say that they.
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I know. And so this is The thing is
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like, I don't want to put him down, but it's a combination of
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something to do with the genetics and then something to
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just being thrust into this world that is nothing like their
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It's very much like Phoebe from Friends.
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Smelly cat, smelly cat. It's not your fault.
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It's not your fault, Willie. It's not your fault, Willie.
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I mean, Willie overall is a good guy.
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You guys are going to like Willie by the end of this.
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I love Willie. I can tell already.
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I love Willie. Yeah, what's not to love about
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eyebrows and they they match the color of his hair perfectly.
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Designer eyebrows. It looks like if you had a Lego
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character legitimately like what you said.
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You said that it clicked for me. He looks like he has a Lego hair
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I love him already. I can tell he has a long way to
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go in growth, but I can feel for this guy.
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After he talks about this wonderful rose Bush out in the
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himself into here. The polygamists are all a rose
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Bush out in the Meadow about their choices to be polygamists.
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But that's not how it really is.
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He's alluding to the fact that the show and the fact that the
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wonderful is problematic. Yeah, we hear from Kristen
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Decker, and she gives us a little bit of her back story.
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She says that her father had 13 wives, her mother was the first
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of 13, and her mom had eight kids of her own.
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Her father had 23 biological children, and one of those
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children was Christine's mom. She doesn't say that, but
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obviously we can infer that. As Kristen with AY, very
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important to our sister wives, our fellow sister wives
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followers because everybody just throws AY in there for some
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reason. It's Kristen with AY and it's
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not the first I it's KRISTYN as in Christine, but Kristen.
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I told Chris while writing my notes.
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I said I'm going to have to spell this incorrectly.
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I'm going to have to spell this how I would spell Kristen or I'm
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are so close that I would have just ferked this up.
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And we get introduced to another Christine.
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So there's 2 Christine's and then Kristen with AY the end so.
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Not even at the beginning. I know, I know these people and
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their spellings. I.
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Think it's because they're reusing so many of the same
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names that they have to make them unique.
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I don't know what the uniqueness
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I feel like I've read online jokes about why they do the
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wise, but I really don't know.
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Please let us know if you know
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I want to know why with the wise.
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Absolutely. Why with the wise?
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As we're getting the back story on Kollene, Kristen and Willie,
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Kristen is welcoming them into
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taking out the spread and putting it on the counter,
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preparing some food for them. And it was the whitest shit I
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have ever seen in my fucking life.
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We're talking containers of potato salad, like the ones that
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go into the grocery store pre made, not from the deli, the,
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you know, Mrs. Myers or the grandma, whatever good shit.
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But like. Welcome to my home.
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I'm taking out the potato salad,
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the million crackers. Just like a million crackers on
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a tray. Just like how many crackers can
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one person? Well, three people eat.
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It's like a 4th of July buffet
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Totally rough. I was like.
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Minus what you going to. Do with this and then it turns
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out they're just going to munch on it, sitting in the living
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room, continuing to chat. They're not going on a picnic,
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they're not celebrating the 4th of July, None of that.
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Just. Eating this very, very, very
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white food. You pointed out, you go, Oh my
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God, the white spread and I'm like pointing at myself.
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You mean what I do every time I have company over?
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There was just, this is what's
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I love me some potato salad. I love myself some crackers and
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some veggies, all of that. But it was just like Walmart
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special, and I don't know, it was very strict.
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Everything is coming in plastic containers.
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There was probably plastic silverware and plastic napkins
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and plastic everything, like, oh, my God.
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Kristen also tells us that she
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After she got married, her husband was flirting immediately
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to get another wife. Because that's what you do when
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you're a polygamous man and you want to, you know, use your
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tool of God to spread the word of God.
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And she left this man after 33
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She was 50 years old. So it's a little weird for me
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sometimes to hear about people
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She's 50. This is a long time you.
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Gave it a college try. You gave it a longer than a
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college try, Kristen. She gave it.
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A She gave it her best. Listen, Kristen does not quit
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quickly and that quick is spelled with AY.
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I have mixed feelings about people that are with people for
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like Robyn with her ex for a decade.
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This woman was with a man for 33
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Doesn't mean that it was pleasant.
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It's just like God, that's a long time to stick it out.
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Think about how long it would take to break your mind to the
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fact that you're going to go to hell though if you divorce this
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POS. Yeah, yeah.
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You know, I will say my parents were married 25 years and got
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divorced, and they should have
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Sure, both of them would have been happier.
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I would have been happier. And I love my parents, you know,
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they just didn't belong together.
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And not everything is a failure.
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I've said this before. Divorce doesn't have to mean
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failure. It just means you're, you
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learned enough from that person. You're growing in opposite
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directions. And that can be OK for both of
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failure. 33 years is a very long time.
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And she seems very proud of the fact that she was 50 when she
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left. She even says that she gets very
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older years or upper years. And I can see that because they
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have been in this their entire life and they're obviously
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willing to continue learning. And she is very articulate.
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You can tell she's very, very smart.
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So it doesn't strike me as odd that she continued to learn
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throughout her thirty or three years of marriage as to why this
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because I can't be with someone for more than two weeks before
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have the patience for any of this.
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But you know, it's just. Because you're too good for
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everybody else. And I know that, you know that.
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When are the men going to figure
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that out? You know you're.
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Amount to God's ears, honey. We hear more about Kollene's
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story. We find out a little bit more
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than we found out previously. And of course she was from the
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Kingston community. She says she doesn't call it a
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cult. In her interview, she says the
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Kingston community, which was interesting to me.
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She says that her mom came from a big family of 12 kids and her
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mom was the 7th of 14 wives. And it has been three years now
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since Kollene left. Kollene is so pretty, by the
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way. She is very pretty.
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She has very nice skin. She overdoes the makeup.
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She overdoes the entire look always.
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But I think that's part of rebelling, as Christine pointed
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out when we met her before. But she is gorgeous.
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She's gorgeous. I'm not sure if it's an
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important detail or not, but I
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mom had 12 kids so that Kollene would have been one of the 12
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kids either way. You know either her mom was from
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a family of 12 or she was just
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is a constant in the cults, which we knew but a lot of kids.
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Her mom being the 7th of 14 wives.
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Like Oh my God it's so creepy.
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Oh, even if you just evened it
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with each wife, which, you know,
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my God. It's interesting they are
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pointing out the producers are
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large these families are. Kollene reviews with us about
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how she met the Browns previously.
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You know, we kind of already discussed that, but it was
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through this effort where the kids went up north back to Utah
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to help with getting people into
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And she came back and met Kody
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I remember correctly in the episode, kind of acknowledged
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that he seemed to be a better dad and husband and guy than
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what she was familiar with with her own father.
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That might be a bit generous in the way I'm saying it, but that
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was kind of my take away. Yeah, she made a point of asking
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him previously if he was a good father and if he was able to be
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there for all of them. And they had a moment of
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connection when they were doing their campground thing up in
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the woods. That's right where the girls
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came dressed up like polygamous girls.
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Oh, that was so. Creepy, awkward with Susan or
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Suzanne, the other girl, she went and dressed them up.
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Yes. Yeah, that disturbing moment
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that happened, she did have a moment of connection with the
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family, and I'm sure she feels a
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She points out that the Browns
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She makes a point of saying that
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from Kristen here. She says that she met Kody back
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when she believed in polygamy.
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first met, she could tell Christine was giddy and excited
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and happy. But she says now when she thinks
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of Christine, she wants to go and kidnap her and tell her she
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doesn't need to do this. And she is using words like
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kidnap to either elicit emotion from all of us or because she's
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being very dramatic. I think these words would
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isolate people even further. Agreed, I felt it was an extreme
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word to use. Such an extreme word.
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Particularly because she's talking about her own niece.
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And so when the second-half of
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saying you don't have to do this, you just think like you
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do. Like we were all told, it's like
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those are the rational things behind what you would say to
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someone to try to coerce. You know, once again, that's
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kind of a dramatic word. But, you know, talk some sense
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into them about the situation.
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them? Yikes, that's dramatic.
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It's kind of no wonder why Christine's so nervous to see
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her if she's been hearing behind
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that this wording has been used or she's wanting to take your
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children or whatever. Christine might be hearing from
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extended family. She's very nervous to see her
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aunt again. And she says, I love her.
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She was family, but I'm scared
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And then you got her aunt saying, oh, I would love to go
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and kidnap her. It's just, it's a dumb thing to
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say. And I feel like it's honestly
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the only dumb thing that her aunt says this entire time
28:48
because her aunt is very articulate.
28:51
That wording was just very unfortunate.
28:55
Very very unfortunate to use and
29:00
Yeah, it does make her seem more
29:03
rest of the episode. It does.
29:04
It really does. And now we're moving forward
29:08
through time to one day before
29:12
Dun Dun. Cue the dramatic music.
29:17
It's. One day before the debate,
29:19
they're going to meet the moderator.
29:21
He's a professor at UNLV. And of course, they're running
29:24
late. Kody is running around trying to
29:27
get all the wives together. And we get them all packing into
29:30
the van. And it's like kind of moment
29:33
where they're taking off in the van and the front of the van,
29:36
it is all scratched up. It is ferked up.
29:41
And I thought to myself, Leon.
29:49
driving, Leon? I want to know who did this.
29:54
Oh my gosh, I was dying. You and I were laughing and.
29:57
I thought that maybe you were laughing because while they were
29:59
backing out of the driveway, they went over the curb and the
30:01
van kind of bounced, but I missed the body damage.
30:05
Body damage hitting the curb. They're running late.
30:09
Now we get to learn a little bit
30:13
Willie is a nervous Nelly, but
30:16
He wants to let people know about his story.
30:19
And Willie is from the FLDS. And Willie says that people
30:26
normally think of it as Warren
30:30
Willie comes from a family of 42
30:35
My God. Yeah, my God, my Lord.
30:40
His mom was the third wife and
30:45
Fourteen of those 42 kids from
30:49
He says that his experience was difficult and he left one year
30:54
ago with some of his family, including his mom and six of his
30:58
sisters. Yeah, and they left with
31:00
nothing, he clarifies. They had nothing when they.
31:03
Left nada and he has dodgy eyes.
31:06
What does dodgy eyes mean? Like dodgy eyes, he can't look
31:13
Every time we see him we're getting no eye contact.
31:19
Dodgy and it is exactly like what we saw from the first guy
31:29
And it breaks my heart for these guys, it really does because
31:34
they are the forgotten. Like they literally are the Lost
31:40
Skittish is something I take away from it as well.
31:42
Just kind of almost like a dog that's anxious like.
31:44
It's I agree. I don't know.
31:46
Very much like my Italian greyhound goose.
31:49
And my yes and my my boy. And when Willie has this moment
31:53
where he's catching us up, it's interjected while we're at
31:56
Kristen's house. And she says they're all feeling
32:01
They talk about wanting to expose the truth about polygamy.
32:07
there. And Kristen also tells us she's
32:09
excited to see Christine and to give her a big hug.
32:14
The niece of her she wants to kidnap, she wants to give her a
32:17
big old hug. Hasn't seen her for years
32:19
either. Right.
32:22
You know, hard to navigate that.
32:23
I don't really know. I mean, I guess you would miss
32:28
The Browns finally make it to UNLV.
32:32
The slide view mirrors hanging off No just.
32:36
The bumper is dragging and it's sparking on the ground.
32:40
Robyn can't figure out where to park, as per usual, running
32:45
late. Oh, that Robyn reasoning.
32:47
Everybody's plans. The Browns are going to be
32:52
meeting with a professor who's orchestrating this panel between
32:58
I believe he is a professor of anthropology and he is quite the
33:06
looking at this boy. I was like oh man, alive.
33:09
I need a daddy and I needed to be professor.
33:11
But then I couldn't say his name.
33:14
The problem is is his name was just messing with me and I was
33:20
Darling. William Jankowayak, Jakeowak
33:24
and. They do say it and it doesn't
33:28
even sound like I would spelt like chuckowak or something I
33:32
don't even know. William Jakeowak.
33:34
Jakeowak. Let's go with Jakeowak, and I'm
33:36
going to refer to him as Professor Creepo because that's
33:39
the vibes I got from this professor.
33:42
Definitely Creeper. Such a creep.
33:46
He has very odd looking hair. It almost looks like he might
33:50
have hair plugs, like a doll's hair individually plugged in and
33:56
And he colors his hair, but he has a band of demarcation which
34:01
means it's grown out. And he colors his beard, but
34:05
there are some Grays showing and there's a line around his face
34:15
obviously care about how you look, but you have roots showing
34:24
And the beard is significantly darker than the hair on the head
34:30
It is. It is.
34:31
So strange. It screams of just for men.
34:34
I don't know what I'm doing. I perhaps wanted to look younger
34:42
Fool, I look like an idiot. Well he looks like a Teemu doll
34:46
like you said, with the like little hair he does.
34:48
He does. Going on here.
34:50
Robyn Team Uzzadi. Yes, Robyn would throw that doll
34:56
Professor Creepo says he wanted to do this discussion out of
35:02
curiosity. When discussing polygamy with
35:04
both men and women, he heard the vitality of families were
35:08
dependent on the man primarily. And I'm going, OK, so are we
35:13
really going to get into the roots of your curiosity here?
35:17
It's hard for me to understand what his motivation is.
35:21
It's just weird. It is weird, Kody says.
35:24
It seems like you have something at stake here, right?
35:28
As if he's studying them and his answer is, it's curiosity,
35:34
really. Right.
35:36
He's just curious about the relationships.
35:38
It's so weird. It's so creepy.
35:41
This guy's so creepy. He's just creepy all around.
35:43
Janelle says that it's weird to be analyzed as a cultural group
35:47
is feeling like a specimen in this situation.
35:51
Now, do I want to give Kody any credit ever?
35:54
No, but it also does seem like they are being analyzed as
35:57
cultural groups. I guess they truly are specimen.
36:02
step too far. He might as well be.
36:04
In a Petri dish along with his
36:07
We get clips throughout this of Mr. Professor Creeper and he's
36:15
speaking directly to the camera and one of these clips he says,
36:22
I find that it's dependent on the man whether the family
36:27
succeeds or not and many men haven't been able to do it.
36:35
He says weird quotes throughout when they're doing these
36:40
interview moments that are just dumb and based on his own
36:44
opinion, not on fact and not on research.
36:48
So where the fuck is the research?
36:50
He throws out these weird numbers the entire episode and
36:53
and it is so bizarre. Where are they coming from?
36:59
Where are they coming from? My overall take away of.
37:01
Professor Creepo is that he's very much layering his opinions
37:06
and his perspectives on everything.
37:08
Even his curiosity about this seems morbid and almost perverse
37:11
in the way he discusses it. It's like, what is going on with
37:14
you and how is this part? Is this part of your curriculum?
37:17
Is this being funded by somebody?
37:19
Like, I don't know, I think it's
37:22
This whole thing is weird. I'm just, I don't know, it's
37:25
creepy. He's creepy.
37:27
The family is sharing their. Concerns with him.
37:30
Kody's wearing too small of a shirt, as Chris has pointed out
37:34
before in his vest with the open
37:39
They talk about being worried about the criticism and how the
37:44
people who have left are the loudest and they're
37:46
antagonistic. And it's like, of course, people
37:50
that have left polygamy are the people who are the loudest.
37:54
Duh. No, I'm choosing to stay here
37:57
and I'm repressed. I'm going to be really loud
37:58
about it. I mean, it's just bizarre.
38:00
I don't even know where he comes
38:01
I'm abused and. I needed to leave, and so I am
38:06
strong enough to leave. Not that you're not strong if
38:08
you don't leave, but I'm one of the people that was able to get
38:12
the courage to leave and I'm going to keep my mouth shut.
38:15
It takes a certain kind of person to leave, and they're
38:17
probably the type of person that's going to say something,
38:20
you know, And Mr. Professor says
38:24
He says you won't convince those
38:28
convince those that are neutral in the public, which is true,
38:36
Professor Creepo. Tells us that polygamy is
38:38
intrinsically interesting because it's an alternative to
38:41
monogamy, which is a fundamental
38:46
and people are curious about how
38:50
Now, once again, I'm like, are
38:53
America? Are you talking about yourself
38:54
here? I don't know how many people are
38:57
really, like dying of curiosity to know about how polygamy
39:00
works. I don't know.
39:01
I have to tell you something. Interesting about myself right
39:04
now. Is it intrinsically?
39:05
Interesting. It is OK when I was.
39:09
In college studying psychology, my senior thesis was on
39:15
monogamy versus consensual non monogamy versus infidelity.
39:23
Oh, OK. It was interesting to me.
39:25
Because I was studying sexual psychology and how these
39:30
scenarios can impact people, and
39:36
interested in it if it is truly from a perspective of studying
39:42
mental health, but I don't think
39:45
He's a sociology professor, anthropology professor, not even
39:52
sociology. Well, I don't know the
39:54
difference but. It.
39:57
It's it's different, it's different, it's different.
40:01
But you know what isn't different?
40:04
Your connection to Professor Creepo here.
40:06
I'm seeing that maybe you should
40:10
ATA. Who knows what kind of research
40:12
you could have found through your own sexual explorations
40:15
with Doctor Creepo. I mean, excuse me, Professor
40:17
Creepo. I would have been.
40:19
Interested. Not with this guy, but with my
40:26
Oh my God, that's amazing. When I met my.
40:31
Husband. I wasn't sure if I believed in
40:37
so interesting. Not because I would want to have
40:45
idea of multiple partners. And I believe that we all have
40:53
So yes, I was interested in this.
40:55
So I can see. He says that he is interested in
41:02
culture of our world, and he wants to know if this is a
41:08
viable alternative or not. Oh, and he's talking about it as
41:19
No, this isn't the same thing. The way he's speaking about it
41:27
monogamy? It's weird and I'm just a slut,
41:32
so there's that. No, let me correct that I.
41:35
Just wish I was a slut, you know?
41:37
I used to be a slut. I used to have fun, now I'm
41:40
known you in slutty stage now. I can't even get professor.
41:43
Creepo to look at me twice. God, I doubt that.
41:47
Christine asks Professor Creepo about when the other panelists
41:54
feel safe about doing this with her aunt.
41:57
And, you know, she hasn't seen her in 15 years.
42:00
Having opposition from her family is hard and challenging,
42:04
and so she doesn't really want to share a space with her aunt
42:10
I find that to be understandable.
42:11
Christine lets us know. That she's worried about her
42:15
aunt trying to fight her on her beliefs and she says that it's
42:23
all of these things against polygamy in the sense that she's
42:31
I can see that you grow up with this person that perhaps you've
42:36
looked up to and all of a sudden their beliefs are
42:40
complete 180 from what you know that they were, and it
42:45
would be really weird to see from that perspective.
42:48
If she still is in contact with her uncle and the other wives,
42:56
Shares some concerns. You know, she's concerned about
43:00
being ambushed. Oh God, Robyn, she's so dramatic
43:04
dramatic in ways that we can? Like, you know, we get ambushed
43:08
by anti polygamists all the time as she's referencing former
43:14
She's so dramatic in these stupid ways.
43:17
Like I'm just imagining her walking down the aisle at
43:19
whatever store she's going to go collect more things for her
43:21
horde and everyone's like, you're a polygamist.
43:23
It's just like, no, this can't be true.
43:26
It's understandable. I mean, they did live in fear
43:29
and in shame for many years. She talks about having to lie.
43:33
But really, like she's being bombarded with this anti
43:36
polygamy rhetoric every day. It's like the bitch probably
43:39
doesn't even leave her home. She can't drive, she can't park,
43:42
I just don't get it. I'm picturing her walking down.
43:45
The cereal aisle and somebody
43:47
from another side just clearing out with their arm all the
43:50
cereal and poking their head out
43:52
You shouldn't be a bug on a strumming brown, just popping
43:57
their head out through the cereal I can specifically see.
44:01
You doing that? Absolutely shutting your head
44:05
out, scaring the shit out of her.
44:06
We know that. I do like a scare.
44:08
You do like a scare. I like.
44:09
To frighten people. I would love to see you
44:11
frighten. Robyn that would be good.
44:14
I would get charged with. Something I'd probably get
44:17
pepper sprayed and charged with assault for real.
44:20
Well, and how slow she is. These days you'd probably yell
44:22
at her in 20 minutes later she'd
44:27
her person. A little slow on the uptake
44:29
there, Robyn. Oh boy.
44:32
Now what I love about as. The Browns are leaving their
44:35
meeting with Professor Creepo.
44:38
from the building. Were the cameras outside?
44:40
We're getting this exterior shot.
44:42
And they're they're zoomed in.
44:45
And then all of a sudden the camera trails and it focuses off
44:48
on Kristen Decker in the background outside walking.
44:52
And she's just on the she's on
44:56
it's just kind of casually observing with a little look on
44:59
her face. And I'm like, oh, it's good that
45:02
they didn't see each other. Something bad could have
45:04
happened. They're teeing it up.
45:06
The rivalry. We hear from Robyn.
45:09
Again and she says it makes me
45:14
doing well and not speaking up.
45:17
It makes me angry at these anti polygamists for being so closed
45:23
minded, so close minded. And I can understand why.
45:27
She'd be a little upset with the polygamists that are having good
45:35
their own way. So given Robyn props here, I can
45:45
I had a. Flashback, A non drug induced
45:49
flashback where I remember her saying, I think it was in the
45:53
first season, maybe it's the second.
45:54
But when they're moving to Vegas and they're packing up the the
46:00
you know, she's probably telling someone to move a box
46:02
while she's doing nothing. And she's like, this isn't the
46:09
And, you know, they do this stuff where it's hard to not
46:14
have a empathy or an understanding for, you know, an
46:18
element of what they're talking about.
46:20
I don't think it's good to be persecuting people.
46:22
And I don't think polygamous should be persecuted just on the
46:30
that. Like, I certainly don't want to
46:32
be backing up Robyn, No. We can understand where she's
46:36
coming from. We don't have to like her.
46:41
He can understand where she's coming from, that's what.
46:46
Empathetic. People, we're empaths,
46:49
Christopher, I need to start saying that.
46:53
More I'm so I'm an empath. That's the worst person ever,
46:59
Yeah. Like, Oh my God, Kristen Decker
47:02
says. If they say they're OK, I'd have
47:09
is not the norm for polygamy. Obviously the Browns are not the
47:16
I shouldn't say obviously as if it's obvious, but that is her
47:19
default in many of these discussions and conversations.
47:27
Christine. And she says that she feels
47:29
betrayed by how she's going against it so hard, this aunt of
47:38
I can understand that as well. This person you grew up with
47:43
your entire life all of a sudden complete 18033 years in this
47:49
with your aunt. Yeah.
47:52
And record scratch. I saw the sign.
47:58
Yeah. Well, Kristen?
48:00
Decker did see that sign. Don't, don't.
48:03
It's the day of the debate. Meri thinks that everyone is
48:08
being so silly, getting this riled up.
48:12
Meri's not nervous at all. No.
48:15
Well, Christina? 'S nervous, but Meri?
48:18
Easy as pie, she's got nothing to worry about.
48:22
Meri's been in all sorts of confrontations and combative
48:25
situations. She creates them every day so
48:28
she doesn't ever care. In the world, she's had to clean
48:34
confrontations. She knows how it goes.
48:38
Robyn's stomach. Is in knots.
48:40
She's just so worked up now when we're getting these moments from
48:46
We cut to Janelle doing her hair in her bathroom and there's no
48:52
We do hear from her in like a minute, but I was just laughing
48:55
to myself and my mind going, of course we hear from the three
48:58
wives and then Janelle gets an opportunity and we get nothing.
49:01
But I was jumping to
49:03
conclusions. How unfair of me.
49:05
We see Janelle and. Kody in her giant ass new
49:08
bathroom. It's so huge.
49:11
It's huge. They could have used some of
49:13
that for closet space but that's
49:16
hoarder. Kody is getting dressed at
49:20
Janelle's and he is so worried
49:25
Janelle says that she is not the
49:29
that he needs to go and ask Robyn about that.
49:31
And we see Kody buttoning and unbuttoning and buttoning over
49:36
his belly, the shirt again and
49:41
not understanding what looks best on him.
49:43
And Janelle's like would you please just go to Robyn's?
49:46
Bitch? I'm trying to curl my hair.
49:49
Get out of here. I feel like he even said to her.
49:51
Something like you look at my face and then the shirt and the
49:55
jacket like as if to direct her like does this look good or
49:58
not? And she's already volunteered
49:59
that she does not know and she's not the wife to ask.
50:03
Then he walks off and says. Something about needing his hair
50:13
He does leave while he was. Leaving, I noticed that his hair
50:21
trying not to pick on him for the balding apparently, but I'm
50:25
sliding into depravity and just going to say that hair is a
50:28
mess. This entire episode was a mess,
50:30
but now I guess maybe it's that his length is getting long
50:33
enough or maybe it clumps together a bit or something.
50:35
It looked a little greasy. We get a shot of him from the
50:41
top front area. We see the clumping to the sides
50:48
It reminds me of the 90s hairstyle girls used to wear
50:52
where they would pull out two thin strands on the front of
50:55
their ponytail or something. It looks weird and it's bald
51:00
behind the two strands hanging
51:04
So he's fighting the good fight,
51:08
here, and we're seeing that fight.
51:10
More and more and more. I mean, this is the first point,
51:14
I think, in the show where I have maybe even found myself
51:17
distracted by it. It was a lot.
51:19
This episode, it was. I haven't.
51:21
Noticed it that much, which is
51:24
Kennedy in the hair episode. I think it's rude to point out
51:29
to your client repeatedly during
51:33
asking for it. Obviously that was teed up for
51:36
the show. However, this clip is awkward of
51:42
the hair. Yeah.
51:44
Kody tells us in a voiceover while he's leaving that his
51:46
wives are making their choices
51:50
So he's basically teeing up. You know, I don't have anything
51:53
to be worried about with this discussion, this panel, because
51:57
my wives are making their choices and my kids are happy.
52:00
So what's there to do? And Janelle references how Kody
52:03
gets the most heat in these situations because people think
52:07
he's manipulating the women. And so she kind of, I don't
52:12
remember if she was saying, you know, I default to him because
52:15
he doesn't seem to be nervous.
52:17
She's feeling it. She said that she doesn't think.
52:20
That Kody is nervous because he's used to getting the heat
52:23
because the man in the situation
52:27
blamed and called the misogynist and gets called out and has to
52:31
deflect. So she doesn't think that Kody's
52:33
nervous. Fair enough.
52:36
After we get these updates. From the wives and Kody about
52:38
how they're feeling feelings, we
52:44
plague group, the people that are here to shame and shun the
52:48
Brown family publicly. And we're introduced to someone
52:51
that you were talking about at
52:54
because they were showing her in
52:58
who may or may not have been in everyone's lives recently.
53:01
We're going to hear from Christine.
53:03
Marie, I think a lot of you might have seen her recent
53:07
documentary on Netflix called Trust Me, the False Prophet, and
53:13
she's going to tell us a bit of her story.
53:16
This is recorded before she even
53:22
Prophet. So she has been fighting the
53:25
good fight for a long time here,
53:33
Mormon church. But she was led astray by a man
53:38
who was a self-proclaimed prophet.
53:42
I can identify. I've tried to proclaim myself as
53:45
a prophet on this very show. Well.
53:47
This proclaimed. Prophet convinced her that
53:52
polygamy was a lifestyle that was necessary for her based on
53:56
the religion and nine months into it a fellow believer
54:01
confessed to her that the guy was a false prophet.
54:05
Her sister wife was a fake non
54:12
in the group were believers. Yes, this fellow believer.
54:16
Confessed to her that the prophet was a con artist she
54:19
said con artist and I really was
54:23
be quite traumatic to hear about
54:26
that they're a con artist oops the sad part about.
54:29
This is that he convinced her to
54:38
She wasn't even a part of this.
54:41
She was LED astray as she says. And she is the sweetest woman.
54:55
blonde ponytail, pink eyeshadow,
54:59
She takes the other anti polygamists into her home and
55:03
she's letting him try on her clothes and her place looks very
55:08
eclectic and awe God she has the
55:13
I would say yes, I we don't. Like to use the word sweet but
55:17
in this case I would say she has
55:20
She seems she is soft spoken as you said and just the aura.
55:26
Her aura comes across as very well, meaning you can tell she's
55:29
very. Well meaning.
55:32
After Christine Marie gives us
55:35
herself, we cut to Willie and Kollene sitting on the couch at
55:40
her place. Do you think we're still at her
55:41
place? Not sure it matters, but they're
55:44
sitting on the couch talking about what their experiences
55:47
have led them to. And Willie says that he's found
55:52
himself breaking himself into more than one person to
55:55
basically compartmentalize his
55:59
And while he's saying this, Kollene says that she has four
56:03
people inside of her, and he volunteers that he also has four
56:08
people. And of course, I'm going well,
56:11
holy trauma response disassociating it's.
56:15
It's crazy. I mean, it shouldn't say crazy
56:17
in a negative way, but to jump
56:21
one person. I try to, you know, whatever.
56:22
And then she says I have 4:00 and he says I have 4:00.
56:25
It's like 4 people. I mean, how literal do you take
56:29
this as a personality divide? Do you think they really feel
56:32
like they're four ways of coping
56:36
I think Kollene. Truly means that she has four
56:40
personalities where she dissociates.
56:42
I think the first personality is
56:48
The second one is the complete
56:52
fighting against the man and everyone else.
56:55
The third one is the one that's trying to blend in that we met
57:00
when she met the Browns where she kind of placated to them.
57:03
She came in a little rough and
57:07
And I don't know who the 4th 1
57:09
But I I have seen in watching this at least three of those
57:14
personalities. Yeah, that makes sense.
57:18
It's a self preservation. Tactic and I can completely
57:23
understand why and how that happened to them.
57:26
It was a little. Jarring to me to hear that they
57:29
both identified with having four
57:32
personas they were joking about.
57:34
It being a little nonchalant about it.
57:37
And then Kollene leads into the next thing she's going to say,
57:58
Somebody asked a question or there was a conversation already
58:07
saying that the whole point of marriage is splitting up the
58:12
girls. They split up the girls for
58:14
marriage so that they can move the bloodlines around.
58:17
Her group is based off of incest and I read a book from an FLDS
58:44
I don't want to have any ableist talk.
58:48
This is a problem. It's really sad, it's
58:54
disturbing, and they gloss over it.
58:58
I'm a little perturbed by the fact that the show doesn't have
59:02
the hotline number at the bottom.
59:05
Oh, at the end of the episode. Usually they do.
59:08
Something the other shows would. They didn't even insert it
59:12
after. The fact this is years after
59:14
this is aired, yeah, We're watching it on Discovery Plus
59:18
and they haven't added that. Yeah, that's odd to me.
59:22
We'll put it in the show notes. Yeah.
59:26
Because. This is super.
59:29
Disturbing, and if anyone in your life, a family member or
59:33
anybody is grooming you, you wouldn't know.
59:38
But just know that nobody should ever, ever tell you that you
59:44
have to do something. If you feel icky at any time in
59:49
your life about anything, anybody that you're with, try to
59:54
Fuck politeness. You come first, that's all that
59:58
matters. They gloss over this.
1:00:00
They talk about the splitting of their personalities, they're
1:00:04
obviously traumatized, and now they're talking about incest and
1:00:13
That was a strange juxtaposition, The.
1:00:15
Subject matter and then how it was just kind of bullet point,
1:00:24
second cousin. And they said it was OK to her
1:00:31
So of course, it's all right. He's your second cousin.
1:00:34
It's not your first cousin. We're breaking up those
1:00:36
bloodlines here, avoiding the incest as much as we can.
1:00:40
She even shares an example about how one of her sisters married a
1:00:48
Yeah, so. Basically one of her.
1:00:51
Sisters married 1/2 Brother right?
1:00:53
Same dad. Oh God.
1:00:56
And this. Leads to them wrapping it up by
1:00:59
saying how they hope that speaking out that they're doing
1:01:02
it in hopes of helping others in the situation.
1:01:05
But overall, this little segment, this little bit is
1:01:09
rather quick and moved over. It's almost like we're getting
1:01:16
this many sisters. We try to avoid incest issues by
1:01:22
brother. I was married to my second
1:01:24
cousin. And then it's like, OK, moving
1:01:27
I read. Because it was so insightful, I
1:01:30
listened to the audio book after you suggested.
1:01:33
It and it is absolutely worth the listening.
1:01:35
It's really good. It's called Church of.
1:01:37
Lies by Flora Jessup and Paul T Brown and read it if you're
1:01:44
interested. Listen to the audio book.
1:01:46
The audio book is so good. That's actually what I did.
1:01:49
I love to read. I'm a big reader but I listen to
1:01:55
especially when we're watching this show that's so light
1:01:59
hearted about really heavy topics.
1:02:02
Yeah, because. We are, obviously.
1:02:05
A comedy podcast, you know, we like to keep it light, but some
1:02:11
of these topics are honestly disturbing.
1:02:15
So we have to point out when they are, we can't just graze
1:02:19
over it like they do in the fucking TV show.
1:02:22
So Kollene married her second cousin.
1:02:25
One of her sisters married a brother from a different mother
1:02:29
recently and they are coming out to speak about it because
1:02:33
obviously they want to help other people.
1:02:36
And then we're going to go back to the Brown family cul-de-sac
1:02:52
And as the Browns are leaving for the panel, Kody acknowledges
1:02:59
culture and they just want to share their experience of the
1:03:03
good. The Brown family's opposition in
1:03:09
experiences or the other good experiences from their culture.
1:03:14
Culture, right?
1:03:16
And when I say. Culture.
1:03:17
I mean to emphasize the cult in culture.
1:03:20
Hot off the heels of hearing these terrible examples, right
1:03:25
now, it's like, you know, Kody's
1:03:27
little bit about it because their family's great, their
1:03:30
family's fine. They think that the stereotypes.
1:03:33
That are being spewed by the FLDS.
1:03:37
Thing that happened. The thing that happened.
1:03:40
Let's gloss over all of that Warren Jeffs shit and the
1:03:45
culture is being affected by that and other people have had
1:03:48
good experiences and why can't
1:03:55
well, the stereotypes of polygamy, you know the.
1:03:57
Controlling men, the weak wives,
1:04:01
are just stereotypes and that's not what the Brown family
1:04:05
experiences. Robyn looks at Kody.
1:04:08
They're in the foyer at this point of one of the homes in the
1:04:11
cul-de-sac. They're in the foyer and Robyn
1:04:15
looks like she's reading off of her phone, which is weird.
1:04:18
She has her phone up and she goes, What if they say you're a
1:04:22
misogynist pig, Kody? Kody says.
1:04:27
I could agree with them, and although otherwise they're like,
1:04:31
laughing or saying, oh, don't do
1:04:36
it. But how many times have we heard
1:04:43
show? Yeah, yeah, Robyn says.
1:04:46
Whatever, as Janelle is chuckling at the entire thing.
1:04:51
OK, once again, the splicing is a little weird.
1:04:53
I, I don't really blame them for
1:04:57
conversation as they're getting ready to leave, you know, I'm
1:05:00
sure they're trying to, you know, keep their spirits up and
1:05:02
be like, hey, we're not nervous,
1:05:04
It's just that the subject matter is so cringe in
1:05:08
comparison to what we were just talking about.
1:05:11
It's gross. Christine gives us.
1:05:13
Another blurb that's. Serious, Christine says most of
1:05:18
what you see talked about makes people angry.
1:05:22
And it makes me angry. The media shows abuse and the
1:05:25
rape of young girls. That's not polygamy.
1:05:29
But people will lump it all together because they just don't
1:05:32
know. Yeah, because the majority of
1:05:37
the situations that we have found out about and seen are
1:05:40
that and we have only seen you
1:05:47
forward at this point, right? So, yeah, that's what people
1:05:52
have seen. Yeah.
1:05:53
Other people just don't know about what happens.
1:05:55
In families like the Browns, like their family?
1:05:58
Yeah, absolutely. We don't.
1:06:00
Where are they? And you know, Robyn did
1:06:02
reference earlier some frustration with other people
1:06:04
not coming forward. Are these people real?
1:06:07
Are they imaginary? I'm not sure we'll hear a little
1:06:11
bit more about that from Professor Creepo about how what
1:06:15
makes a successful polygamist family, which love to hear this
1:06:18
backed by data information from the professor he made-up based
1:06:22
on his. Observations the professor.
1:06:27
Don't don't one. Hour before the debate.
1:06:34
Everyone's arriving at the panel
1:06:38
if they could be kept in separate spaces before the panel
1:06:40
starts. It's like, yes, we know that you
1:06:42
want to be in separate spaces.
1:06:44
Christine does not feel safe being in A room.
1:06:47
With them. And she's not ready to see her
1:06:49
aunt yet. Her mom's sister.
1:06:51
Mama's. Sister I.
1:06:53
Don't want to see my mama's sister.
1:06:54
I'm just not ready yet. I don't know how I'm going to
1:06:56
talk to her. Oh, Lord.
1:06:59
And Robyn. Oh God.
1:07:02
And Robyn has to. Drop that, Habsburg.
1:07:04
Jaw down and say we've been dealing with the anti polygamist
1:07:08
hate our whole lives and then she reconnects the Habsburg.
1:07:13
Jaw shoves it, backs it. Up off the floor, Oh my God.
1:07:20
As the Browns are getting settled into their little
1:07:23
holding space, their office behind this auditorium where
1:07:26
they're eventually going to end up, we see Kollene and Kristen
1:07:30
walking on by. Oh, there they are, these evil
1:07:33
anti polygamist and they're on
1:07:36
end of the hallway. And you know, I was a little
1:07:39
distracted by what Kollene was
1:07:41
So honey, you're going to have
1:07:43
outfit. But before we do that, it's
1:07:46
important to know that Christine
1:07:50
the end of the hallway. So while Kollene and Kristen are
1:07:54
just meandering down the hall as
1:07:57
down to use the restroom, they
1:08:00
Dun, Dun. Christine Brown is in the
1:08:03
bathroom. And this is when you said
1:08:05
something about, oh, Kollene. And I said, did she wave at
1:08:09
them? Did she make a face?
1:08:10
And you were like, no, look at
1:08:12
Oh. Yeah, I died and went to emo
1:08:17
heaven and then the emo hell. Kollene is wearing black
1:08:22
jeggings, a hot pink cold shoulder top, a big poof on the
1:08:29
top of her head. I do not believe that she was
1:08:32
wearing a bump it because I think her hair is fried enough
1:08:35
that she could tease it enough
1:08:37
Yes, and. Yes, she has.
1:08:42
Thick black eyeliner, huge pink eyeshadow like 2010 style.
1:08:48
Makeup artist from the YouTube
1:08:51
how to do this. But the kicker?
1:08:55
Black fingerless gloves. Oh, and those black fingerless
1:08:59
gloves. Tie in really great to the giant
1:09:02
crucifix hanging around her neck
1:09:06
wannabes. I was so excited about the
1:09:08
Madonna vibes, but it was tied
1:09:12
I don't give a fuck to 1 E 10 vibes.
1:09:16
It was very bright. It was very dramatic.
1:09:20
Kollene did look like she was going on set to a music video.
1:09:23
She did not look like she was going to a panel to discuss
1:09:26
polygamy. Bless her.
1:09:28
Bless her. You know she should express
1:09:30
herself however she wants. Express your whole self hey.
1:09:34
Hey, but it really. Was a dramatic look and I don't
1:09:39
know, I didn't hate it. I mean, I did hate it.
1:09:41
I don't know. It was.
1:09:42
It was something. To be honest, I hated it for the
1:09:44
scenario. Yeah, it was more going out
1:09:48
having a good time vibe if she
1:09:53
Yeah, at this time, unfortunately, people are
1:09:59
predisposed to look at that and not take you seriously.
1:10:03
So I wish that she would have dressed differently.
1:10:06
I wish that Kristen or Christine
1:10:12
honey, we love you so much. We love that you're an
1:10:15
individual. But let's tone it down a bit,
1:10:18
because Christine Marie has a really weird sense of style
1:10:21
herself, but it still reads as
1:10:25
Yeah, because at the panel I noted she was even wearing.
1:10:28
Pearl earrings. She tightened up a bit for the
1:10:31
panel and that could have served
1:10:34
It could have and I am starting.
1:10:36
To really like Kollene at this point, and not that I didn't
1:10:40
before, but I have an appreciation for her and I do
1:10:45
think she's gorgeous. She really is, and she's an
1:10:49
amazing makeup artist for herself.
1:10:51
I'm very curious if she ever did anything with that
1:10:55
professionally because she was good at it.
1:10:58
We get a clip now of Christine talking, and Christine says that
1:11:08
the hall. Not that she was laughing at
1:11:11
her. She was obviously laughing with
1:11:13
somebody, but she was scared to leave the stall.
1:11:16
Yeah. And I'm wondering if she texted
1:11:20
or called one of her sister wives, because all of a sudden
1:11:44
the. Bathroom and went to save her.
1:11:53
Kristen after they usher Christine out of the bathroom,
1:11:59
And it just felt like middle school vibes.
1:12:02
It felt very oh, did she? She said it feels.
1:12:05
Very high school. This is weird because they were
1:12:08
literally just waiting for her to leave the bathroom to give
1:12:11
her space and respect. It wasn't a good look for
1:12:13
Christine, I don't think. I don't think so either.
1:12:16
Yeah, hard to say. What I do in that situation?
1:12:18
Oh, I'd probably just walk into the bathroom with my head held
1:12:22
Maybe wave on your way out? I think that Kristen and Kollene
1:12:31
her space. Kristen could have gone in and
1:12:37
Christine didn't want to see her yet.
1:12:39
So they waited out there, but it wasn't that they were being
1:12:42
silent to ambush her that way. Can you imagine if Christine
1:12:45
would have walked out and they'd have been quiet the whole time
1:12:50
Kollene in the corner, standing there.
1:12:52
That would have been worse. It would have been startling.
1:12:54
Yeah, I think either way. There was no winning.
1:12:57
And maybe production set it up that way.
1:13:01
Maybe production told Kristen, Oh yeah, the bathroom's empty,
1:13:09
sort of setup here and it wasn't played out well in any scenario
1:13:14
when Christine returns to the holding.
1:13:17
Office with Robyn and Meri. She turns to Kody and starts
1:13:22
crying in his shoulder. And holding him for your life,
1:13:27
If the worst thing has ever happened to her and I don't, I
1:13:39
After this moment, the family makes a prayer circle and they
1:13:42
start praying as they show us footage of everyone entering for
1:13:46
the forum. So we're going to be walking
1:13:49
into where this panel is happening and as they're showing
1:13:52
the anti polygamous and the Brown family walking in, we get
1:13:55
this prayer happening as audio
1:14:00
make it out because it was muffled because they were in
1:14:02
this prayer circle. So I feel like they were going
1:14:05
for a dramatic effect and it didn't really land.
1:14:07
They muffled half of it. They let.
1:14:09
Us hear some of it. It was background noise to the
1:14:14
scene that we were being shown
1:14:19
two cameras at the back of the
1:14:22
It's not even an auditorium, it's a tiny lecture hall.
1:14:29
To be fair, I felt a bit dramatic.
1:14:31
Calling it an auditorium. It's a lecture hall.
1:14:34
It's a lecture hall. OK.
1:14:34
Yeah, like a big. Classroom.
1:14:35
Almost. Like this professor told his.
1:14:39
Students, they would get extra
1:14:42
motherfucking thing. Oh well, don't you think?
1:14:46
Well, it wasn't even full, so I don't know.
1:14:48
Right, That's why I think that.
1:14:51
Professor Creepo said. I'll give you extra credit if
1:14:55
you come to see the IT was weird.
1:14:59
Not a packed house and not a big house.
1:15:01
So yeah, it was a bit underwhelming as they're walking
1:15:09
tiny auditorium as if they're at the school of models for the
1:15:14
tiny people. And how do you fit into the
1:15:16
building? Janelle talks about feeling like
1:15:23
Don't, don't. Very dramatic.
1:15:26
So now this feels. Like a good place for us to
1:15:28
take. A break because we've already
1:15:30
been talking about this for a hot minute and maybe this is an
1:15:34
opportunity for us to drop a special Part 2 on a Thursday.
1:15:38
I feel like people like it. I feel like I like it.
1:15:40
I feel like I get some tingles
1:15:44
drops on a Thursday. Special notification.
1:15:48
Ding Ding. We're going to take a brief one
1:15:50
day bathroom. Break and then we'll be back to
1:15:52
see you on Thursday. I hope that you dream about this
1:15:56
panel. Discussion and maybe it'll be a
1:15:58
nightmare.