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Be. Do. Have. with Jim Fortin · The Trauma Therapist

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Papist podcast. My name is Ga Macpherson.
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Speaker 1: I interview incredible people who've dedicated their lives to helping
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Speaker 1: those who've been impacted by trauma. Here we go, So five, four, three,
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Speaker 1: two and one are folks. Welcome back to the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Very excited to have as my guest today. Jim four ten.
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Speaker 1: Jim welcome, Thank you.
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Speaker 2: For the invitation. I'm really glad to be here today.
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Speaker 1: Awesome So. Jim is an international leading expert in subconscious
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Speaker 1: personal transformation and has been featured as a speaker alongside
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Speaker 1: hundreds of fellow industry leaders, as well as being recognized
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Speaker 1: in Forbes, Inc. And Entrepreneur magazines. He emerges brain based science,
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Speaker 1: transformational psychology, and ancient wisdom to help people all around
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Speaker 1: the world explore personal evolution and to live better lives.
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Speaker 1: He's created dozens of programs, and he's most recognized for
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Speaker 1: creating the life changing Subconscious Transformational Coaching program. He's also
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Speaker 1: the host of the top rank Transform Your Life from
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Speaker 1: Inside Out podcast. Jim, Welcome to the podcast.
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Speaker 2: Thank you again. I'm glad to be here. I'm sure
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Speaker 2: we're going to have some fun today.
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Speaker 1: Help. Yeah, looking forward to it, Yeah, I said before
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Speaker 1: before we get going share with the listeners where you're
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Speaker 1: from originally and where you are currently?
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Speaker 2: You mean emotionally or location? No, physically physically, Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: wasn't sure. Originally from South Texas where I grew up,
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Speaker 2: lived many years in Dallas, New York City, Atlanta. I
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Speaker 2: live in Sedona, Arizona right now. I've been here six
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Speaker 2: years full time. I as far as I know, this
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Speaker 2: is going to be the last place that I land
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Speaker 2: in this lifetime. I enjoyed here. It's a nice, little, quiet,
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Speaker 2: quaint place.
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Speaker 1: Awesome. So let's start. How I mean, your bio is
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Speaker 1: very interesting, dynamic, broad, a lot of experiences. How did
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Speaker 1: you get into this into this field?
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Speaker 2: Long story, very very short, and very quick because there's
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Speaker 2: a lot of things we want to talk about. Back
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Speaker 2: in the early nineties, I literally had money out of college.
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Speaker 2: I graduated eighty seven. I had money. I worked through college.
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Speaker 2: My parents gave me some money. I wanted to invest it.
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Speaker 2: I invested it with the guy that I didn't know
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Speaker 2: was a con man who went to prison twice after that,
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Speaker 2: but I had he literally bankrupted me. I could literally
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Speaker 2: I was riding a bus, I had no money, no credit,
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Speaker 2: no nothing. I mean, I trusted the guy, typical con man,
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Speaker 2: great con man, and I'm like, how do people come
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Speaker 2: back from this? And so I started studying motivational stuff
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Speaker 2: zig Ziggler, Brian Tracy, all that back in the nineties.
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Speaker 2: It sounded good, but I didn't feel any better and
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Speaker 2: I wasn't making any progress. Then I started studying neuro
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Speaker 2: linguistic programming NLP, which is what we have different audiences,
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Speaker 2: mutual friends, Tony robbin Juss he calls it something different,
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Speaker 2: but neuro linguistic programming. And I was still looking for more.
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Speaker 2: And then I discovered hypnosis, and I actually worked for
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Speaker 2: three years at the hypnosis and so to to New
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Speaker 2: York City, and I recognized how powerful the mind is
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Speaker 2: when I was doing that, which I still do to
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Speaker 2: a different degree. I teach it. I don't do it anymore,
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Speaker 2: but throwing it into the mix. My brother in law,
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Speaker 2: my sister's husband, is a real shaman like you'd find
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Speaker 2: in the Amazon. So that's where all the ancient wisdom
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Speaker 2: and the mind and the energy and all that comes in.
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Speaker 2: And then the practical application is the brain science which
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Speaker 2: I've learned over the years, which I tie in to
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Speaker 2: how we create our habits, how the brain, how the body,
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Speaker 2: old trauma, the brain, neural pathways, all this kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: So it's kind of a mix that happened by accident
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Speaker 2: over the decades.
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Speaker 1: So when you were out of college, you said you
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Speaker 1: had some money, How did you get hooked up with
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Speaker 1: this person.
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Speaker 2: Many years ago? It was, you know, a great question
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Speaker 2: no one's ever asked me. That is, you know, back
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Speaker 2: in the late eighties, you read the newspaper for opportunities.
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Speaker 2: You know, we didn't have the Internet, and there was
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Speaker 2: this guy that advertised as a former professional athlete, and
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Speaker 2: he was well known in Texas, very well known. So
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Speaker 2: I knew the name. I didn't know he was in
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Speaker 2: the ad, but I responded to the ad. I met him.
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Speaker 2: I knew the name, and I'm like, this guy's famous,
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Speaker 2: he's not going to be a con man. Come to
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Speaker 2: find out, he's running a Ponzi scheme. So and he
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Speaker 2: and I. He's such an ultimate con man and so
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Speaker 2: likable that we became friends. And I liked the guy,
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Speaker 2: and then I just kept giving him money and money,
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Speaker 2: and he promised all these returns and returns and I'll
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Speaker 2: let it roll over and all this kind of stuff.
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Speaker 2: Greed got the best of me. I literally he took
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Speaker 2: everything I mean had, I literally was starting over from
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Speaker 2: riding the bus, sleeping on friends couches.
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Speaker 1: So as a result of that, aside from losing all
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Speaker 1: of your money, was it, Oh my god, how the
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Speaker 1: hell did this happen to me? How could I have?
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Speaker 1: What was I not seeing? What do I need to improve?
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Speaker 1: What was the thinking that led you to learn more
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Speaker 1: and quote unquote better yourself in a sense?
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Speaker 2: Great question. Partly it was I didn't get into a
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Speaker 2: whole lot of shame or blame. I was like, you know,
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Speaker 2: you probably saw clues, but you ignored them because you
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Speaker 2: were more interested in the money he was telling you
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Speaker 2: you could make and all these kind of things. But
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Speaker 2: what rolls into this is I grew up poor. I
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Speaker 2: grew up on a small Texas farming community. So when
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Speaker 2: I met this guy, I mean, he took me to
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Speaker 2: play golf with one of his friends, Willie Nelson. He
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Speaker 2: was friends with, you know, a former NFL player named
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Speaker 2: Earl Campbell. We used to hang around all these people
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Speaker 2: that were friends. He is Carrie Bradshaw, people like that.
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Speaker 2: At this point, so I was in that world with him,
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Speaker 2: and I never thought, how can he not be real
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Speaker 2: when he's with all these people?
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Speaker 1: But he was a.
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Speaker 2: Fake and he literally scammed me. I recognized it early
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Speaker 2: on that I thought I was getting scammed. I created
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Speaker 2: distance between us, someone like I need to get away
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Speaker 2: from this guy. I lived in Houston, I moved to Atlanta,
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Speaker 2: started waiting tables, had an old beat up car, and
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Speaker 2: started building from there in nineteen ninety two, which has
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Speaker 2: brought me to where I am today.
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Speaker 1: And so, what was the thing? What did you want
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Speaker 1: to build? What was it?
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Speaker 2: I didn't know what I wanted to build, but I
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Speaker 2: had a degree in political science and psychology, and I'm
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Speaker 2: a very determined person. I ended up getting an offer
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Speaker 2: to work at the Carter Presidential Center, the executive offices
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Speaker 2: of Jimmy Carter. It didn't go where I wanted it
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Speaker 2: to go. So I started waiting tables and saying, I've
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Speaker 2: got to figure out what to do with my life.
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Speaker 2: Early nineties, and I got interested in professional speaking. And
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Speaker 2: I'm moving really fast. Normally I don't move this fast,
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Speaker 2: but I know we're on a time frame. So I
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Speaker 2: got interested in professional speaking, and I just started meeting
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Speaker 2: people who were influential in the industry. And then I
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Speaker 2: just started. I'm a learner, I'm a grower. I started
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Speaker 2: building my skills, got better and better, ended up in
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Speaker 2: New York City, worked there for four years at the
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Speaker 2: Hypnosis Institute. And since that time, twenty five years ago,
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Speaker 2: I've just done my own programs.
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Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about hypnosis. What about that allured you?
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Speaker 1: What was the attraction.
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Speaker 2: Power of the mind? How to use this subconscious mind?
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Speaker 2: Because I'd always followed for many years, I'd read things
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Speaker 2: about power of the mind and healing and mind body,
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Speaker 2: you know, healing and all this kind of things. So
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Speaker 2: I knew that it was real, and I did a
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Speaker 2: lot of research on it and this, that and the other,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I want to learn how to better
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Speaker 2: manage this being mentally and physically. So, for example, I'm
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Speaker 2: sixty years old and in twenty twenty five years ago,
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Speaker 2: I had the same year doctors don't know why. I
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Speaker 2: had a stroke and a heart and heart failure the
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Speaker 2: very same year. I'm perfectly well today, so I know
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Speaker 2: how to heal. And I've always been fascinated by I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't say highest human potential, but how to use more
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Speaker 2: of your potential that's inborn, because I've seen some amazing things,
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Speaker 2: and I'm like, how do I emulate that?
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Speaker 1: When you were at the Hypnosis Institute, was it hypnosis
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Speaker 1: that you were having done to yourself? Was that the
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Speaker 1: product says it? Was it how to quote unquote hypnotize
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Speaker 1: others well others?
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Speaker 2: Because I'd already out there, already had a decade of
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Speaker 2: experience learning neubro linguistics and hypnosis. And actually, when I
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Speaker 2: moved to New York City, I took a corporate job
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Speaker 2: chasing money again, making four hundred thousand bucks a year
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Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty. I hated the corporate job. I
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Speaker 2: quit a month later. I just didn't like it, and
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Speaker 2: I didn't have a job in New York City. And
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Speaker 2: I went to a weekend seminar and I'm like, this
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Speaker 2: looks really interesting on hypnosis. I went, I met the
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Speaker 2: people and the boss, the wife who owned it. They
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Speaker 2: asked me to do a little presentation at the event.
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Speaker 2: That night, They're like, let's go to dinner. They're like,
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Speaker 2: you're really good at this. Do you want to come
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Speaker 2: work with us? I'm like, yes, I do. And that
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Speaker 2: was three years and then I've just built okay, But
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Speaker 2: where it really went is I had a vice president
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Speaker 2: from Goldman Sachs and he said, Jim, He goes, how
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Speaker 2: in the hell did I listened to you for thirty
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Speaker 2: minutes and I stopped smoking? He goes, what did you
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Speaker 2: do to me? And he goes, can you teach me
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Speaker 2: how to do that with my high networth clients to
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Speaker 2: make them easier to work with? I'm just grabbing a
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Speaker 2: piece of paper. Sorry, I said, sure. Now, I didn't
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Speaker 2: know that I could, but I'm like, yes, I know,
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Speaker 2: I can do it. So I started teaching how to
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Speaker 2: use ethically persuasion and influence in the business world. And
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Speaker 2: then what I found is back ten years ago, a
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Speaker 2: good friend of mine it's massive on the internet, said Jim,
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Speaker 2: your heart and your passion is in transformation and spirituality.
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Speaker 2: You're doing the wrong thing, dude. And so I started
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Speaker 2: what I'm doing now full time. I just dove into
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Speaker 2: it very first year. It took off like a rocket ship.
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Speaker 2: That's what I've been doing now for ten years. Transformation,
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Speaker 2: all right, So.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: So when you say this is what you're doing your coaching,
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Speaker 1: You've developed this coaching program.
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Speaker 2: Correct, it's an immersion program. Most programs. I don't mean
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Speaker 2: to knock anybody world different, playing our little roles in
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Speaker 2: the world. But you go to Tony Robbins, let's say,
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Speaker 2: for four days or whoever. You go to four or
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Speaker 2: five day event and it's all what I call surface
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Speaker 2: level information, meaning it's all conscious like you're reading a book.
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Speaker 2: What we do in my programs, it's a thirteen week
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Speaker 2: immersion where I work with people every single week. There's homework,
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Speaker 2: there's assignments, daily coaching to immerse them in the process
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Speaker 2: of change over the course of ninety days, to rewire
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Speaker 2: the brain.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so specifically, give us some specifics about what you do.
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Speaker 1: How would you work with me, let's say, to what
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Speaker 1: let go of my limiting beliefs or fill in the black.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a bigger going, more macro than micro. So here's
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Speaker 2: the thing. Most people don't recognize that they are. And
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Speaker 2: this is a word that I use intentionally, and I
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Speaker 2: give broader examples when I've got more time. But we
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Speaker 2: all have been indoctrinated since the time we popped out
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Speaker 2: of the wound. If you're Jewish, it's because you've been
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Speaker 2: indoctrinated into that now you might have converted later or
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Speaker 2: Catholic or American or Australian or this or that. So
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Speaker 2: we're indoctrinated when we're born with our religions, our society,
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Speaker 2: our cultural norms, our cultural beliefs, and our socioeconomics. So
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Speaker 2: we learned that and then it becomes a habit, and
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Speaker 2: then that habit becomes part of our self identity, meaning
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Speaker 2: I identify as an ex YZ type of person. So
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Speaker 2: because I identify it with that, that's what I do.
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Speaker 2: And because that's what I do, that's what I have.
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Speaker 1: Or that's what I believe. I'm sorry, or that's what
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Speaker 1: and or that's what I believe, that's who I am.
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Speaker 2: Correct. Well, we go from environment to behaviors, to skills,
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Speaker 2: to believes to identity, and the subconscious identity drives everything
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Speaker 2: that we think, we do, we act, everything. So whatever
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Speaker 2: we have in life is a reflection of the identity,
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Speaker 2: and I definitely want to make sure we talk about
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Speaker 2: that as it relates to trauma and our time together.
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Speaker 2: But whatever we identify as subconsciously, we automatically do, whether
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Speaker 2: it's health, money, relationships, or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's talk about where trauma and how trauma
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Speaker 1: comes into this. Sure, trauma in terms of beliefs, trauma
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Speaker 1: in terms of identity. I mean, that's certainly a big thing.
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Speaker 1: I think with a lot of people who've experienced briarian
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Speaker 1: types of trauma, how do you work with that?
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Speaker 2: Quote unquote pathways to go here? A lot of things
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Speaker 2: that I say are not real popular, but when people
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Speaker 2: research it, they're like, Okay, now I can see what
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Speaker 2: you're talking about. I've had people attack me when I
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Speaker 2: say that. I think, let me, let me finish my
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Speaker 2: thought here, and know you will. But people thinking and
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Speaker 2: listening when I think Alcoholics Anonymous is destructive, and people say,
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Speaker 2: what do you mean? It's destructive? It helps people get sober.
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Speaker 2: They've only got a five to eight percent success rate
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Speaker 2: and a ninety two to ninety five percent failure rate.
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Speaker 2: Why because when you go to Alcoholics Anonymous, the mantra
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Speaker 2: is I'm an alcoholic. I'm an alcoholic. So then what
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Speaker 2: happens is that becomes part of your identity. Now you're
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Speaker 2: set up for a lifetime with being an alcoholic. But
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Speaker 2: I don't want to be an alcoholic, and now you've
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Speaker 2: got a self identity struggle. So the way that I approach.
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Speaker 2: This is when it comes to the trauma, how do
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Speaker 2: you identify with the trauma? But what a lot of
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Speaker 2: people do, and this is where it gets controversial for
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Speaker 2: some people, but it's also an epiphany. Is I had
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Speaker 2: a client one time and she goes, I'm sixty five
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Speaker 2: years old. I can't form healthy relationships with men. I said,
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Speaker 2: how come? She said, my therapist told me because I'm
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Speaker 2: the daughter of an alcoholic, so I learned as a
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Speaker 2: child I can't form healthy relationships. I said, when did
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Speaker 2: that therapist tell you that? She goes, fifteen years ago?
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Speaker 2: I said, when's the last time you saw your father?
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Speaker 2: She said forty five years ago. And I said, wait,
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Speaker 2: let me understand. You're carrying a belief system from fifteen
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Speaker 2: years ago from a therapist that could have been wrong,
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Speaker 2: that you learned forty five years ago, and you're living
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Speaker 2: in that trauma. And she goes, oh my god. But
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Speaker 2: what she did was is she learned to identify with
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Speaker 2: the trauma, and the trauma actually gave her a meeting
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Speaker 2: because she had an identity and she lived in that identity.
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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
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Speaker 1: It makes a lot of sense. And I'm just thinking
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Speaker 1: when we talk about trauma. You know, there's a lot
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Speaker 1: of people have different ways of managing, of course, but
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Speaker 1: it's not uncommon for people to think of themselves as
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Speaker 1: a survivor. Right, I'm a survivor and trying to move
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Speaker 1: on in the world from that standpoint. So yeah, my.
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Speaker 2: Observational opinion is that you can't move on. It's like
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Speaker 2: trying to still second base when your photo is on
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Speaker 2: first base. Because if you're saying I am a trauma survivor,
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Speaker 2: if you observe people, and I know you do for
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Speaker 2: a living, their whole reality is wrapped up in that
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Speaker 2: survivorship of what happened many years ago, and they can't
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Speaker 2: move on because they're held by the identity of being
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Speaker 2: the survivor. You got to let that go. But the
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Speaker 2: shaman I work with, as I said, he'd be the
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Speaker 2: kind of shaman you would find in the Amazon, a
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Speaker 2: real shaman, not somebody just calling themselves a shaman. He's
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Speaker 2: the real deal. And I've never heard you mentioned trauma
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Speaker 2: one time in twenty eight years. His take is, and
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Speaker 2: this is where I live from. Every single thing that happens,
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Speaker 2: no matter how bad or how good happens, so you
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Speaker 2: can grow and evolve energetically and spiritually, so everything that
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Speaker 2: happens is a blessing. Learn your lesson, let it go
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Speaker 2: and move on. But most people want to hold the
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Speaker 2: trauma because of their anger, their shame, their guilt, or
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Speaker 2: fear whatever. They want to hold it when it comes
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Speaker 2: to like situations we're talking about abuse or whatever.
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Speaker 1: Well, I would even add to those reasons that a
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Speaker 1: lot of people hold on to it because it's what
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Speaker 1: we're kind of taught to do. It's societally speaking, this
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Speaker 1: is how we deal with or treat trauma. We identify
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Speaker 1: as a survivor, some as a victim. But just to
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Speaker 1: be clear for those listening, you're not talking about dismissing
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Speaker 1: the trauma or negating the trauma or not treating it.
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Speaker 1: I just want to put that out there so because
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Speaker 1: people might be thinking whatever.
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Speaker 2: Let me add something here from the National Institute of Health,
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Speaker 2: because there are different kinds of trauma. Number one, hypnosis
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Speaker 2: is medically scientifically proven to help people literally let go
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Speaker 2: of things, rewire the brain, shift unconscious thinking. This is
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Speaker 2: not an opinion at Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Columbia, the Mayo Clinic,
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Speaker 2: National Institute of Health. Then we have trauma like people
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Speaker 2: that have been in wartime like Afghanistan and different things.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they've got significant trauma. The National Institute of
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Speaker 2: Health has done research and realized that you can eliminate
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Speaker 2: or alleviate trauma like that using hypnosis. This is I mean,
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Speaker 2: people can find this all over the internet. It is
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Speaker 2: medically medically proven. So no, you don't want to actually
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Speaker 2: negate the trauma. You don't want to just dismiss it.
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Speaker 2: You want to obviously experience it. You want to process
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Speaker 2: it and then let it go. But as you said,
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Speaker 2: and this is completely defensible, we learn how to work backwards.
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Speaker 2: If that were not true, we would not have eighty
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Speaker 2: percent of the population everweight, we would not have eighty
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Speaker 2: percent of the population living paycheck to paycheck. We would
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Speaker 2: not have all these things we have happening in the world.
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Speaker 2: It's because we learned to function backwards against the way
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Speaker 2: the brain works.
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Speaker 1: I'm just remind everyone I'm speaking with Jim Fourton. We're
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Speaker 1: talking about transmissional growth right now, we're talking about hypnosis.
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Speaker 1: For those listening who maybe think they know what hypnosis is,
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Speaker 1: how would you define it? How would you describe it?
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Speaker 2: You ever been driving before and you're so in your
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Speaker 2: head you almost miss your exit. That's hypnosis. We go
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Speaker 2: into it all day long. It's a natural state of being.
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Speaker 2: It's not watched a little watch and you're gonna collect.
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Speaker 2: That's stage hypnosis, and that is real, but that's not
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Speaker 2: what it is. Hypnosis literally is literally taking anything that
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Speaker 2: you hear and substituting it, doing it so much you
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Speaker 2: make it your own belief system. That is hypnosis. So,
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Speaker 2: for example, hypnosis would be many people say the F word,
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Speaker 2: I'm so fat, I'm so fat, I'm so fat, I'm
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Speaker 2: so fat. That's literally autosuggestion and programming yourself. That in
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Speaker 2: itself is as self hypnosis. But there's also trance where
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Speaker 2: you sit back, you listen to an audio, guided imagery, etc.
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Speaker 2: Hypnosis is when we drop down into what's called theta
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Speaker 2: brainwave state alpha and theta. Right now everyone listening is
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Speaker 2: in beta, and when you're asleep you're in delta and gamma.
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Speaker 2: So when the brainwaves slow down, the analytical mind relaxes,
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Speaker 2: the subconscious mind now is more apt to take suggestion.
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Speaker 2: So it's a natural state that we go in and
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Speaker 2: out of all day long, but people are afraid of it.
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Speaker 2: Because they think it's some kind of parlor trick or
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Speaker 2: carnival trick. It's not. It's endorsed by Harvard, the Mayo Clinic, etc.
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Speaker 1: So in terms of let's say, well, anyone listening to this,
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Speaker 1: how might they benefit from this, whether they're a therapist
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Speaker 1: or a consumer or a student, how do you invite
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Speaker 1: them to to and how would they benefit from what
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Speaker 1: you're doing, what you're teaching. Programs you have.
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Speaker 2: We just did what's called the B do have program,
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Speaker 2: and the B do have program is you've got to
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Speaker 2: be before you can do, before you can have. Most
20:14
Speaker 2: people live life backwards. They live have to be. Example
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Speaker 2: would be if I have or had more money, then
20:19
Speaker 2: I could I could build, I can hire help at
20:21
Speaker 2: my business, and if I hired help, then I could
20:23
Speaker 2: be successful. But because they never have the money to
20:26
Speaker 2: hire the help, they never hire the help. Therefore they
20:29
Speaker 2: never have the success they want. Where we have to
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Speaker 2: work from is because we are human beings, not human doings.
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Speaker 2: And how must I be at a subconscious level? And
20:43
Speaker 2: I talk a lot about this on my podcast, which
20:45
Speaker 2: is one of the it's on the top one tenth
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Speaker 2: and one percent of podcast in the world. Millions of
20:50
Speaker 2: downloads where I talk a lot about B do Have.
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Speaker 2: We just did a B do Have series. We closed
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Speaker 2: the doors on it yesterday today, We'll do it again
20:58
Speaker 2: end of the year. But I talk a lot of
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Speaker 2: this on the podcast.
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Speaker 1: When people are thinking about learning about hypnosis. What are
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Speaker 1: some of the you mentioned people? A lot of people
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Speaker 1: think it's a parlor trick. What are some of the
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Speaker 1: challenges that people come up against?
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Speaker 2: It's all internal. Nine times out of ten, The number
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Speaker 2: one thing I've always heard over the years is number one.
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Speaker 2: They don't know anything about hypnosis. And then they will say, well,
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Speaker 2: I don't think I can be hypnotized, Are you kidding?
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Speaker 2: You're in hypnosis all day long. If somebody tells you
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Speaker 2: something and you buy it and believe it automatically, that
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Speaker 2: is hypnosis. It happens all day long. We're seeing it
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Speaker 2: in political movements in the United States right now. That
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Speaker 2: is hypnosis. So the number one block to it is
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Speaker 2: that people thinking they can't be hypnotized. Now formal hypnosis
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Speaker 2: like trance, Stanford Institute of Mind Brain Research said like
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Speaker 2: seven percent of the people just don't get benefit from trance,
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Speaker 2: meaning ninety three percent of people do but my workaround
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Speaker 2: is okay that if you don't get benefit from trance,
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Speaker 2: use auto suggestion, which was doctor Emil Kuei introduced us
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Speaker 2: to that back in the eighteen hundreds. And every day
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Speaker 2: and every way, I'm getting better and better. Every day
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Speaker 2: and every way I'm getting better and better. That's where'reprogramming
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Speaker 2: the brain, because it's creating neural pathways in the brain,
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Speaker 2: and the brain automatically responds to the neural pathways.
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Speaker 1: So are you saying, that's just like what affirmations the
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Speaker 1: power of affirmation?
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Speaker 2: Was yes, but most people do affirmations wrong. They do
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Speaker 2: them only auditorially, and that's left brain analytical. The language
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Speaker 2: of the subconscious mind, and part of the brain is
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Speaker 2: visual and imagery. Einstein said, your imagination is your preview
22:43
Speaker 2: of life's coming attractions. William James, father of American psychology,
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Speaker 2: said very much the same thing. Basically, what you imagine
22:51
Speaker 2: over and over and over again creates neural pathways in
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Speaker 2: the brain. These neural pathways are called habits. These habits
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Speaker 2: turning the behaviors, behaviors turning the outcomes. So what you
23:05
Speaker 2: imagine over and over and over again, you're literally programming
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Speaker 2: your brain literally. I mean this is science. You can
23:12
Speaker 2: look this up. It's neuroplasticity. There's tons of research on this.
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Speaker 1: So we have to basically get our shit together from
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Speaker 1: the moment we wake up. We have to be what
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Speaker 1: surrounding ourselves with? What positivity affirmations?
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Speaker 2: Would I wouldn't put it like that. I would put
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Speaker 2: and I understand that comment. I would look at it
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Speaker 2: more as I'm going to just say something in my
23:42
Speaker 2: language because I want to give people listening something free
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Speaker 2: when we're done. It's a nine day challenge. We've had
23:49
Speaker 2: thousands of people go through it. It's free and I'll
23:52
Speaker 2: tell them where they can go download it. But we
23:54
Speaker 2: have to know ourselves, and I'm just gonna say my language. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: we have to know ourself as God. I don't mean
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Speaker 2: by religion. I mean science has proven this. If you
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Speaker 2: did not have consciousness running through your body, you would
24:08
Speaker 2: be a dead bag of skin no eeg no ekg.
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Speaker 2: Consciousness is physics. We are all consciousness. Consciousness is non local.
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Speaker 2: Science proves that as well. So we have to know
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Speaker 2: ourselves as I don't mean analytically thinking, but as conscious
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Speaker 2: be ings. What does it mean to even be As
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Speaker 2: a result, of being. You are a creator. You've created
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Speaker 2: everything you have and you don't have in your life
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Speaker 2: as a result of your consciousness and your being. So
24:44
Speaker 2: it's not about the you know, kumbayah, feel good today,
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Speaker 2: I look pretty, I look at It's not that, it's
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Speaker 2: knowing yourself at a deeper level. Saint Jermaine once said,
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Speaker 2: if humans knew the way the universe or they would
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Speaker 2: cease to believe in miracles. So when we know the
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Speaker 2: true power, we have no raw raw But in terms
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Speaker 2: of consciousness, pretty much anything we want starts becoming possible
25:12
Speaker 2: for us. So it's about knowing yourself, not about moncras
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Speaker 2: and not about different things, but knowing you can heal,
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Speaker 2: knowing you can create, knowing you can change, knowing you
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Speaker 2: can release.
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Speaker 1: So in terms of so, what are you talking about
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Speaker 1: us becoming more educated about possibility, potentiality or what aware?
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Speaker 2: Aware, aware, and conscious like right now, pretty much everyone
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Speaker 2: listening is not even conscious of the fact that they're
25:45
Speaker 2: conscious until I bring to their attention that they are conscious,
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Speaker 2: consciousness and their conscious because they can think. So we
25:55
Speaker 2: have to recognize the only reality, and this is science.
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Speaker 2: The only reality is consciousness. Consciousness is what creates everything.
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Speaker 2: Everything on this planet, whether it be my phone, this pin,
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Speaker 2: this water bottle, this notepad, this computer, everything is all
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Speaker 2: created from consciousness. Your bag of skin, this container you're in,
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Speaker 2: your glasses, it's all consciousness. It all comes from what
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Speaker 2: maybe in religion they say God, science says the quantum field,
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Speaker 2: the quantum dimension. It's consciousness. When we recognize and we
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Speaker 2: start to learn that power, we start then recognizing we
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Speaker 2: have access to that power. That's what I mean.
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Speaker 1: Well, okay, by the.
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Speaker 2: Way, this free gift will teach people that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well, let's kind of wind down here. Your first
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Speaker 1: of all, your your program is you said it was
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Speaker 1: ninety days and then for.
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Speaker 2: The Transformational Coachiness Program, which we just opened the doors
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Speaker 2: and close the doors till late in the year. But
26:56
Speaker 2: we always have things going different kinds of program.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so give us the thumbnail of what you're offering
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Speaker 1: here for.
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Speaker 2: The Yeah, this was basically it was called the b
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Speaker 2: TO Initially it was called the Bee Do Have Challenge.
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Speaker 2: But you've got to be before you can do, before
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Speaker 2: you can have. But people think, Okay, I've got to
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Speaker 2: be committed or I've got to be this. No, no,
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Speaker 2: we go deeper, what does it even mean to be
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Speaker 2: to be a human be ing? And we dig deep
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Speaker 2: on that and we go through that.
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Speaker 1: Jim, fascinating and inspiring. Thank you so much, all right,
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Speaker 1: take care,