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Now the O's get ready for another series against the Yankees · Birdland Territory

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  Speaker 1: It was a much needed to win. The Sunday the
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  Speaker 1: Orioles sent the moms home happy at the Oriel Park
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  Speaker 1: at Camden Yards as they beat the Athletics two to one.
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  Speaker 1: Take a little bit of momentum anyway into the next
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  Speaker 1: showdown with the Bronx Bombers from New York. They'll be
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  Speaker 1: in town on Monday and welcome in the latest edition
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  Speaker 1: Berdland Territory with Brad Brock and Tim Barbolace. I'm Steve Maleski.
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  Speaker 1: So guys, anyone is good right now? For the Orioles.
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  Speaker 1: We know that eighteen and twenty three they need a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of them. And here's one thing we can say
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  Speaker 1: for the Sunday win against the Athletics. We have hardly
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  Speaker 1: said this year. They won because of pitching and defense.
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  Speaker 1: This was an old school oriol victory. Let's start with
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  Speaker 1: the defense man. What a throw by Leote ta Veris.
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  Speaker 1: We had heard about his plus defense. We saw it
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  Speaker 1: today and I checked on statcast during the game. He
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  Speaker 1: is in the ninety ninth percentile for arm strength. He
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  Speaker 1: throws better than ninety nine percent of Major league position players,
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  Speaker 1: and we saw it there, guys, what a hose he showed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, perfect job, that's exactly how we're told to do
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  Speaker 2: with the ball hit the center field like that kind
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  Speaker 2: of a due or do I play?
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  Speaker 3: Came in full speed, made a good transfer.
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  Speaker 2: To his throwing hand and obviously made a cannon throw
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  Speaker 2: to the plate, and it was a great catch by
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  Speaker 2: Basile home plate too, with the runner bearing down on him.
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  Speaker 2: You don't see those plays too often anymore, so it
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  Speaker 2: was very well executed, playing exactly what you draw up
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  Speaker 2: when you do this kind of stuff way back in
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  Speaker 2: spring training when you start.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Steve, you said it.
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  Speaker 5: Unfortunately, there haven't been many signature defensive moments for this
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  Speaker 5: ball club so.
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  Speaker 4: Far, but that absolutely was one.
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  Speaker 5: And Tavarius with just a hoes man ninety three point
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  Speaker 5: seven miles per hour on that throw to home plate
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  Speaker 5: and getting Cortes by quite frankly a step or two
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  Speaker 5: Sam Basio able to secure the ball because, like you said, Brad,
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  Speaker 5: you really don't see those type of collisions at home
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  Speaker 5: plate anymore. It was just a beautiful play and one
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  Speaker 5: that Orioles fans are really happy was made.
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  Speaker 4: For sure.
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  Speaker 1: He had nice play on both ends, no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit of a stare down there by Besaio
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  Speaker 1: after he got the runner gave him a look. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I saw he barreled me over and I hung under
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  Speaker 1: the ball and albert As ran out to make sure
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  Speaker 1: he was okay. I mean, so many things were going
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  Speaker 1: not quite right for the Orioles in the middle innings,
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  Speaker 1: Adleie gets robbed with the bases loaded, Gunner and Blaze
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  Speaker 1: strike out with the bases loaded. Could have been many
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  Speaker 1: more runs than two, and many times this year at
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  Speaker 1: that game would have gotten away from the Orioles. So again,
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  Speaker 1: we don't want to oversell it. It's one win. They're
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  Speaker 1: eighteen and twenty three, but they did things right late,
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  Speaker 1: including Rico Suave again doing his bit at the end
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  Speaker 1: that they held onto this win.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of what we know we talked about
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago when we were saying, just get a lead
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  Speaker 2: and both of this bullpen can hold it.
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  Speaker 3: The bullpen's really good. They're still doing their.
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  Speaker 2: Job when they get the you know, when they have
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  Speaker 2: a lead, they're keeping it and when games are close
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  Speaker 2: are keeping it close.
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  Speaker 3: So it's it's kind of one of those things.
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  Speaker 2: You're not gonna win every game pretty and today, like
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  Speaker 2: you said, they missed some opportunities there in the middle,
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  Speaker 2: but at the end, it's a win and it's heading
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  Speaker 2: into a big series here with the Yankee So it's
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  Speaker 2: that was after losing the first two of that series.
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  Speaker 2: If you feel a lot better winning that Sunday game
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  Speaker 2: heading into facing the Yankees again these next couple of days.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it would have been just such a cut punch
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  Speaker 5: if they would have dropped that game. Felt seven games
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  Speaker 5: below five hundred at that point, but now you're back
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  Speaker 5: to five, and you know that game that we saw,
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  Speaker 5: and I know that mass and Kevin Brown was talking
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  Speaker 5: about it on the broadcast. Heading into today, the Orioles
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  Speaker 5: have allowed three or more runs in twenty five straight games,
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  Speaker 5: which was their longest streak since twenty nineteen, and they're
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  Speaker 5: the only team in baseball to yet to record a shutout,
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  Speaker 5: and they were very close.
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  Speaker 4: And look the pitching all the way round.
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  Speaker 5: Keegan Aiken was fantastic in that first inning as an opener.
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  Speaker 5: Chris Bassett, that was probably his best game as an Oriole,
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  Speaker 5: going six innings, just giving up that winner. And I
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  Speaker 5: thought it was really cool seeing Anthony is in that
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  Speaker 5: big time spot where he had to kind of find
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  Speaker 5: himself there Brad not necessarily on his A game, but
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  Speaker 5: able to have a clean inning there keeping the lead.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing for rookies outing is like that.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of times you kind of see it get
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  Speaker 2: away from him, but for him to able to step
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  Speaker 2: up there, kind of lost the zone on those couple
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  Speaker 2: of hitters, but able to get out there with a zero,
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  Speaker 2: And that's the biggest thing. At the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: when you're pitching in a setup role, it's not about stats.
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  Speaker 2: It's not about you know, batting average gainst. It's about
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  Speaker 2: not allowing runners to get past home play. And especially
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  Speaker 2: one run game there, he didn't give up a single
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  Speaker 2: or base it there to give up the lead and
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  Speaker 2: then the.
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  Speaker 3: Orals have to scratch and get another one across the board.
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  Speaker 2: He put his zero up even without his A stuff
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  Speaker 2: and got the job done, and that's that's really what
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  Speaker 2: you look for, and that's really big for rookie. I
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  Speaker 2: think Anthony nunia Is the last couple of weeks has
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  Speaker 2: been really impressive because he kind of went to stretch
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  Speaker 2: there where he was letting up a few runs and
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  Speaker 2: I know I can think back to my rookie year
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  Speaker 2: when you have good outings, you think it's going to
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  Speaker 2: happen all the time. When it goes bad, it feels
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  Speaker 2: like it goes south really fast, and it's hard to
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  Speaker 2: like catch your feet underneath you because the game's moving
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  Speaker 2: so fast and everything just kind of comes to you
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  Speaker 2: really quick. But he's shown such maturity and has done
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  Speaker 2: a really good job bearing back down and putting up
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  Speaker 2: some of your more zeros in these last couple outings.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't heard exactly when Helsley is coming back.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry to jump over you too, I said, we haven't
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  Speaker 1: heard when Elsy's coming back, But they're saving the games
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  Speaker 1: when presented now. In this last stretch, they get swept
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  Speaker 1: in New York they lose too to the Athletics. They
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  Speaker 1: weren't saves, but so almost more critical to not let
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  Speaker 1: them get away when you have so few and so
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  Speaker 1: without Helsley knock on wood, not much longer they've held
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  Speaker 1: their own here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think two.
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  Speaker 2: When you think about Hellsley coming back, think about the
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  Speaker 2: experience Rico Garcia is getting at the closing role. You
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  Speaker 2: saw him into the eighth inning. Nunia shuffles down to
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  Speaker 2: the seventh where they want to use Wolfram. You know,
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  Speaker 2: n s said they have options there in the seventh inning,
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  Speaker 2: which is always a beautiful thing to have when you can,
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  Speaker 2: when you can really start to extend these bullpens and
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  Speaker 2: make it sixth, seventh, eighth, ninth without a doubt, you
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  Speaker 2: know who you're going to. It makes games way easier.
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  Speaker 2: It takes a pressure off the starters, takes a pressure
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  Speaker 2: off the offense. And that was a lot of teams
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  Speaker 2: I was a part of. You basically shot in the
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  Speaker 2: games almost five six innings, and it was you knew
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  Speaker 2: if we had the lead come that time, the game
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  Speaker 2: was over. And I truly feel this Orioles team can
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  Speaker 2: be that way with how many guys are having the bullpen,
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  Speaker 2: and that's not including Kittridge, which you know is gonna
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  Speaker 2: come back.
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  Speaker 3: He's gonna get better.
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  Speaker 2: You have all these other arms that they have akens
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  Speaker 2: they have these guys that can go out there and
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  Speaker 2: get outs late in the game, and if they really
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  Speaker 2: can get these leads or I really truly believe this
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  Speaker 2: bullpen can be a lockdown bullpen and such a strength
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  Speaker 2: of this team towards the end of the season.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, how can you not feel great about
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  Speaker 5: Rico Garcia right now, every single time he goes out there,
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  Speaker 5: you just expect him to put up a zero and that.
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  Speaker 4: That's what he did.
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  Speaker 5: Like, even depending on how long you know Hellsley is
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  Speaker 5: going to be out, you still feel really really good
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  Speaker 5: about Rico Garcia closing out ball games. But Brett, I
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  Speaker 5: wanted to ask you going back to Nunez real quick
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  Speaker 5: the mound visit with true French and he came in
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  Speaker 5: and it was first and second at that time, I
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  Speaker 5: think it was only one out. What can that do
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  Speaker 5: for a reliever, and in particular a young guy like
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  Speaker 5: in Anthony Nuniez.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of times in the minor
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  Speaker 2: leagues you kind of things you did. Good stuff just
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  Speaker 2: comes and you'll get in and out of funks eight
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  Speaker 2: to ten pitches and it's not as big a deal.
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  Speaker 2: In the minor leagues. He has good enough stuff. Guys
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  Speaker 2: are going to swing and missus stuff out of his own.
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  Speaker 2: But I think Drew French coming out there is just
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  Speaker 2: kind of hey, you're rushing.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: It could be there's probably a key phrase he has
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  Speaker 2: for Nunyaz. A lot of times pitching coaches just have
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  Speaker 2: a key phraser a couple of words they say to
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  Speaker 2: get you locked back in, and I think that's exactly
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  Speaker 2: what happen. I think Drew French just came out the
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  Speaker 2: perfect time. Hey man, you're rushing here. You got good
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  Speaker 2: enough stuff. Stop trying to dance around the zone. Go
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  Speaker 2: at these guys. Whatever the case may be. Whatever he
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  Speaker 2: said to him, obviously it worked. And I think a
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  Speaker 2: lot of times with the young relievers, you need to
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  Speaker 2: hear that. You need to hear that. Oh man, like
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  Speaker 2: he probably in his mind it's probably racing, like, oh gosh,
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  Speaker 2: now I have first and second here. Now I got
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  Speaker 2: to get this out. Pitching coach comes out, makes a
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  Speaker 2: couple smart choice of words, and you're just back into
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  Speaker 2: making pitches again. And that's really all it comes down
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  Speaker 2: to it. It's not really rocket science. It just sometimes
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  Speaker 2: it's getting back to neutral and just going back out
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  Speaker 2: there and doing what you do best.
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  Speaker 1: So the Orioles did win. They help wanted to win
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  Speaker 1: two to one today, and all these records they improved
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  Speaker 1: by one win today. Need to get dramatically better. Home
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  Speaker 1: record now ten and eleven. May record is three and seven.
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  Speaker 1: One run game record is three and six. All these
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  Speaker 1: need to get dramatically better. We know that about the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty six Birds. We got a lot of good
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  Speaker 1: topics to check in on today as we roll along
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  Speaker 1: on Birdland territory.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're up to sixteen now, Tim, you were
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: noting this morning the upcoming schedule, it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: challenging for the Orioles. It's going to be heavy al East,
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  Speaker 1: six of the next eight series in the division.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a make or break time for this
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  Speaker 4: ball club. It really is.
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  Speaker 5: Where you're five games below five hundred right now, and Brad,
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  Speaker 5: you've kind of brought up that mark a couple times
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  Speaker 5: during these episodes where you don't want to get to
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  Speaker 5: the seven eight because that's when things can really start
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  Speaker 5: to snowball. Where it's already a big test, you know,
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  Speaker 5: beginning tomorrow with the Yankees coming to town. And it's
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  Speaker 5: a little unique in the fact that you just played
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  Speaker 5: this team a week ago and we know how poorly
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  Speaker 5: it went. This Orioles team, they're going to have to
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  Speaker 5: bear down because the Yankees, of course, they're the best
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  Speaker 5: team in the American League. The Rays have gotten off
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  Speaker 5: to a red hot start and the Blue Jays and
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  Speaker 5: Red Sox. You know that they're trying to stay in
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  Speaker 5: the mix as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and it is weird playing them.
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  Speaker 2: I never understood when I was playing why they put
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  Speaker 2: the schedule this way, where you play a team four games,
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  Speaker 2: you don't play for a couple games, and then you
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  Speaker 2: play them again the next week, when you have six
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  Speaker 2: months of a schedule.
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  Speaker 3: But it is a unique thing.
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  Speaker 2: But the best part is that I don't think many
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  Speaker 2: guys are gonna thinking about last week. I think they've
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  Speaker 2: had two series in between, so it's not not like
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  Speaker 2: it was just yesterday they played the series. But it's
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  Speaker 2: one of those things where they get a chance to
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  Speaker 2: go back out and play the one of the best
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  Speaker 2: teams in baseball again, and I think it's an opportunity
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  Speaker 2: at home to do it and just go out there
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  Speaker 2: and do a better job than they did last week.
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  Speaker 2: I think they know they did not play their best baseball.
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  Speaker 2: And like you're saying, with this schedule coming up here,
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  Speaker 2: I know I had been talking about that. It's still
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  Speaker 2: super early and I don't think anybody's worrying too much.
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  Speaker 2: But with that, I looked at the schedule earlier today
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  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking these next thirty thirty five games, this
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  Speaker 2: is gonna be where the twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 3: Oriols are made or made or broke.
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  Speaker 2: And I it's just against some really good competition, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of teams in the division. And when you start
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  Speaker 2: looking where you fall seven, eight, ten games behind five hundred,
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  Speaker 2: now you've got to pay fifteen twenty games above five
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  Speaker 2: hundred the rest of the season in order to get
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  Speaker 2: to that, you know, that magic playoff number, and that
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  Speaker 2: just becomes a big burden. That's a lot of games
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  Speaker 2: over five hundred to get to get going. And it's
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  Speaker 2: against some good teams here. So it's it's I know
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  Speaker 2: it's early, and I know it's only the second week
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  Speaker 2: of May, but it's it just feels a lot bigger
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  Speaker 2: than it did even just ten days ago because they
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  Speaker 2: kind of didn't.
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  Speaker 3: Take care of business there.
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  Speaker 2: So now you're sitting at that five six games under
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  Speaker 2: five hundred, and now you just have this beast of
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  Speaker 2: a schedule coming up. So it's going to be interesting
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  Speaker 2: how these next few weeks play out.
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  Speaker 1: So the next few series three against the Yankees at home,
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  Speaker 1: three at Washington, three at Tampa home against Detroit, Tampa,
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  Speaker 1: Toronto at Boston and Toronto. That's nineteen and the next
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  Speaker 1: twenty five. Hey, at least by the way, dude was
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  Speaker 1: just checking the phone as we take this. The Brewers
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  Speaker 1: have beaten the Yankees. They swept the Yankees, who were
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  Speaker 1: two and four since the Orioles left town. They beat
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  Speaker 1: the Rangers, they got swept by the Brewers. So I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what that means in this series. What do
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  Speaker 1: you guys think when a team has drilled the other
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  Speaker 1: so badly as the Yankees did, Is that some psychological
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  Speaker 1: edge they hold or is that gone a week later?
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  Speaker 2: I think I don't think it matters as much, But
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  Speaker 2: I honestly think I think the sweep before matters more
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  Speaker 2: than then sweeping the Oriols last week. I think when
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  Speaker 2: you come in kind of sputtering, and you know, anytime
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  Speaker 2: you face Milwaukee, it's a good pitching staff. They're kind
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  Speaker 2: of very similar to when the Ools face Cleveland. It's
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  Speaker 2: just they do the little things right. They pitch really well.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a definitely a different series. But I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a good time to get them while they're down,
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  Speaker 2: while they're kind of struggling just a little bit here,
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  Speaker 2: you can kind of hopefully get two out of three
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  Speaker 2: at home and start feel a little bit better about
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  Speaker 2: where you've been the last couple of weeks and can't
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  Speaker 2: worry about what happened in the past. You just got
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  Speaker 2: to go out to get that first win of the
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  Speaker 2: series and see what happens from there.
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  Speaker 5: It's sort of like I was saying heading into the
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  Speaker 5: Yankee Series last week, where this is another measuring stick,
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  Speaker 5: like if you can somehow win this series after it
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  Speaker 5: just went as poorly as you could possibly go this
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  Speaker 5: prior week in the Bronx, I think that maybe that
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  Speaker 5: could do wonders for this ball club and say, hey,
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  Speaker 5: you know, you find a way to take this. They're
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  Speaker 5: the best team in the American League, Like we're going
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  Speaker 5: toe to toe with them after what happened last week.
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  Speaker 5: My concern with this series, Steve is and this has
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  Speaker 5: been an issue.
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  Speaker 4: For this ball club all year long.
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  Speaker 5: You'd like to see them get up early in these
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  Speaker 5: games because if you get down and then you know,
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  Speaker 5: it just becomes human nature, like, oh my gosh, here
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  Speaker 5: we go again.
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  Speaker 4: Are we going to get thumped again.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's so important for the a the starting
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  Speaker 5: pitching to do their best and maybe we see Trevor Rodgers.
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  Speaker 5: It seems likely at some point this series, maybe even tomorrow,
• 15:00
  Speaker 5: he'll get the start. But this lineup, you know, and
• 15:03
  Speaker 5: looking at the studs, you know, Pete Alonzo was fantastic
• 15:07
  Speaker 5: last week against the Bronx. You'd like to see him
• 15:09
  Speaker 5: have another Monster series. Gunner Adlee Basile. All of these guys,
• 15:14
  Speaker 5: your stars have to be stars to win this series, right.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: We talked about that before this series and the Bronx,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: and really only Alonso stood forward. The stats stand out
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: so blatantly from that series and runners in scoring position,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: the Yankees had four seventy. The Orioles were four for
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: twenty seven pitching rotation era in the series. In the
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: Bronx Yankees to forty two, Orioles eight eighty four. Now,
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: if Brandon Young does go Monday or even Tuesday, he
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: didn't pitch in that series, Jovich has probably lined up,
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: and maybe Rogers. So it really it looks like two
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: of the young guys are gonna get thrown into the
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: fire here. And of course the Oriols will face two
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: lefties in this series. Weather's Monday and Freed Wednesday and
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Zho nine when facing a left standed starter, So there
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: are some bugaboos they got to wash away here the
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: next couple of nights.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and a what a prop octunity to do it
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: other than against the Yankees.
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: That's the only kind of way you can look at.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: You got to you gotta be willing to accept challenges
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: at the major league level, and that's that's what it is.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a challenge, and they just got
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: to go out there and meet meet the task. I think,
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: like Tim, like you said, I think get off to
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: a great start is such a big advantage. I don't
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: know what it felt like today, but that one, two
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: three first inning, I feel like it was the first
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: non competitive offensive inning from the opponent.
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: They've had in a long time.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: It seems like it's just been just just to get
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: those first three outs in that first inning. It's been
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: such a struggle, and I think having the opener go
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: out there today, and I'm not the biggest fan of
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: the opener, but I understood why they did it today.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: It's I just never, I never.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I think I've heard the explanation behind it, and I
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: heard it's like, basically, the first inning is like a
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: seventh inning leverage spot, So why not put your seventh
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: thing leverage spot. It's just if it doesn't work out
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't go well, it's now you put yourself
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: so far behind the eight ball. You have these starters
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: for a reason. So but today it worked out great.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: So that's that's the way to look at it. And uh,
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I just think that one two three inning today is
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: such a clean inning. It just really kind of seemed
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: to jumpstart the game. These last couple of games, it
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: feels like it's been taking a while to get that
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: first three outs and it's taking twenty five pitches to
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: get at the first inning, and today was ban one
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: two three offense going in and hit. I know they
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: didn't do much in that first inning offensively, but you
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: got the ball rolling and got into the games as
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: opposed to being down or having to struggle through that
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: first inning.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Brett, I was gonna ask you about that. And
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: Keegan ankin that.
• 17:36
  Speaker 5: I think he was used as an opener three times
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: last year and he was very effective in that role.
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: I do wonder just given how great he was today, like,
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: do we see that again in particular in this upcoming stretch.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I think it's a possibility.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think with the explanation they have with
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Bassett and a guy who's pitched out of the bullpen before,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: like they were talking about in the broadcast during the playoff,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: he was phenomenal at the bullpen, so he's not used
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: to something like that, and him just kind of being like, hey,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: whatever helps the team. I wouldn't be surprised if they
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: did it again, if the bullpen lines up and they
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: can use them, if they wouldn't start him again, because
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: obviously it seems this scene teams are starting to stack
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: lefties against Bassett to try to get to them early,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: and if you can take those top three or four
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: hitters out of there one time, it makes sense.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I understand the reasoning behind it.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: I just never was a big fan when I was
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: doing it because a lot of times it was never us,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: it was always somebody else, and I just thought it
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: was a weird way to start the game. But it's
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: obviously not taboo anymore, and a lot of teams do it,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: and the explanation and the reasoning behind it does make
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: a lot of sense.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: We got some interesting topics to get into on the
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: other side of this time out Gunner Henderson when I
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: talked to him this weekend one on one. He threw
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: himself under the bus and I respected him for that.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you why in a minute. Jackson Holliday played
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: third base today on this rehab at DOUBLEA. What did
• 18:56
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• 18:57
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• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I do think times when players point the finger at themselves,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the fans appreciate it generally. Friday in Baltimore, Gunner did
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: that before the game and after the game. During the game,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: he botched a double playgrounder and he took the fall
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: for that postgame pregame, when I asked him about his offense,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: he said, I've been pretty terrible for a month. I'm
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: trying to do too much. And then he said, the
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: game in Miami, the last one, I saw the ball
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: so much better. I feel like I'm suddenly tracking it.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: And then he went out Friday night, guys didn't get
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: a hit, but in four played appearances, saw twenty six pitches.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I watched everyone, and I said, he is seeing it better.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: The hits are gonna come. Then he got two, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: then he got two more, and he struck out with
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: the bases loaded today. But I'm telling you, I'll eat
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: these words. Maybe if I'm wrong. He's ready to get going.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Did you guys like some of his weekend comments.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's great. I think it's great. I
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: think it shows leadership. I think it shows accountability, and
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I think he knows and everybody knows. There's no hiding it.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: When you're one of the faces of a team like
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the Orioles, and Gunnar Henderson is right at the head
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: of those faces.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: He knows what's expected of him.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: And I think just being able to go out there
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: and kind of I think sometimes when you just go
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: out there and you say it and you just kind
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: of know everybody, he knows what everybody's thinking. He kind
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: of just says it himself. I think it takes some
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: of the pressure off. And I think, like you said,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: just seeing the ball a little bit better, and I
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: think it's better. I think when he comes up in
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: these bigger spots and gets that one big hit, I
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: think it's just going to kind of rush out from
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: there and he's going to go on a tear.
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: I think it just takes out one big.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Hit sometimes to kind of just spring the dam open
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: and kind of just let yourself go out there and
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: forget about everything else, just be the player you are
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: and go out there and do what you're able to do.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: I think it's exactly that, Brad, and that's why I
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: was rooting, like Kech for him to come through with
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: that basis loaded situation, but he didn't. He ended up
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: striking out on three pitches. I think with Gunner it
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: just seems like he's always behind in the count, guys,
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: and when Gunner gets the two strikes, obviously with the
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: alarming strikeout numbers, he just hasn't been good enough this year.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: I think he's only got two hits with two strikes.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: He's batting eighty one when he has two strikes in
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: the count. But I think he puts a lot of
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: pressure on himself. I think, you know, he obviously wants
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: to succeed. He knows what he means to this team,
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: to this organization and to the city. And I think
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: he's crushed that he hasn't gotten off to the start
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: that he had hoped for.
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: But I'm with you, Steve.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: I think you're already starting to see a different approach
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: for Gunner Henderson and you know, just get on base man,
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: because what he can do as a base runner. You know,
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: he's so athletic and he's so quick. He can wreak
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: havoc just on the base paths.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I better be that kid. Too many times to count,
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. It's in the hundreds somewhere since
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Minor Lakes. And he looked confident Friday for a hitter
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: with a two one batting average on a two undred
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: trick out paced. Not that he doesn't care or he's
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: blowing off his struggles, the opposite is true. But I
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: think in his mind he knew I've unlocked something. I
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: made some adjustment to coaches that's going to start to work.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: And that's the confidence I felt for him. I think
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: we're going to see it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome. Was that's great to hear.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: And I think he knows how talented he is and
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: that like he all takes his one or two games
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: and it's just he can.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Go on fire.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: And he's one of the few players in the game,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: you know, probably top fifty players in the game that
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: have that confidence and that ability to just turn it
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: on and get hot, hotter than anybody on the face
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: of the earth. So it's it's it's a unique talent.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: And I'm glad to hear he's feeling a little bit
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: more confident, and I'm just I'm confident the results are
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: going to come.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: He's too good to a player for it to continue
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: at this at this rate.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: And it's sort of like we were talking about last episode, guys,
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: pictures are making adjustments to him. You know, you're seeing
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: far less fastballs thrown his way. And you know, I know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: I texted you the graphic from the other day, Brad.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: The fact that pitchers they're just pitching.
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: Him inside right now, man like like, and it's kind
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: of making the adjustment to those that pitch location.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah one A lot of times, like I said, when
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: for lefty hitters, a lot of times, that's kind of
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: their honey hoole. You throw it there, I'm going to
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: hit it. When you're not getting to that pitch makes
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: it really difficult. So you know that that's open. You
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: can start away. He's not willing to hit the ball away,
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: you can come inside and get you out. And it
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: makes it makes pitching kind of a one oh one
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. It's start away, pitch him in the finish,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and if you can't make that adjustment, they're just going
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: to keep going to that over and over again.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Gunner has an interesting theory on that, and this was
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: after our interviews, so I'd include the quach. It was
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: just kind of us talking he I'm paraphrasing again. Last
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: year when his shoulder was hurting and he couldn't lift
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the ball, they were pounding them with more fastballs. They
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: knew he couldn't hit home runs like he did the
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: year before when he hit thirty seven and he hit seventeen.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: So now they know the shoulders back, he can hit
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: home runs, and all of a sudden, the fastball percentage
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: dropped because they're just not you know, they're just not
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: going to challenge this guy as much as they did
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: last year. That made sense to me, So we'll see
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: how the pitch mix for him plays out the rest
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: of the way. And the rest of the way on
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: this show, I want to get into Jackson Holiday and
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: talk about him getting this at least some look at
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: third base. Let's put it that way, and we'll touch
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: on that coming up on Birdland Territory.
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• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Well, the Oriols hope to get Jackson Holiday back soon.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: It looks like he played today at double A and
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: I have the final report, and I don't know how
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: many plays he made in the field. He did start
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: at third base, played about half the game as he's
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: working his way back, So his return is not imminent,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: but it's much closer. So what do you guys make
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: of him getting a look put quotes around that at
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: third base? Is this something to solve the picture short
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: term for the Orioles? Is it? You know? What do
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: you what do you make of it?
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah? To me, it kind of seems maybe a twofold thing.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's trying to make him a verstyle where he
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: can play second or third, or maybe they just really
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: like the way Jeremont Jackson's playing right now and they
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: figure their biggest hole is kind of at third base
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: with Mao just kind of not really giving them what
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: they need there offensively, and you know Wes and Wilson.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Wes Wilson is he's a good filling there when he's
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: facing lefties, but it's it's not a permanent thing. So
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: maybe they think playing him at third base is going
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: to be the option. Obviously, you guys know, you have
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: more of a history, so you would know. And I
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: haven't really had a chance to see Jackson holl To
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: play that much, but just knowing from the passive hearing
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: guys going down and trying different positions. Maybe it's a
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: versatility thing, but you guys obviously have more of a
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: history with that.
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: I was very surprised when I heard that they were
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: going to do this.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I get it on the.
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: Surface, and I think, unfortunately this is kind of even
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: another step in the direction where Jordan Westburg we just
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: may not see him this year.
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: I know he has another check up tomorrow, I.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Believe, and maybe there's more clarity on his status. But
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: you know, this kind of seems like another sign where
• 27:32
  Speaker 5: they're just trying to find a way. But I just
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: don't really get it. You know, Jackson Holiday second base,
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: He's only been playing second base for a couple of
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: years at this point, that's still a relatively new position.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: We know that this is his third rehab assignment at
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: this point. I just think I would like to see
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Jackson Holiday be the most comfortable that he could be,
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: And I just don't know if now is the right
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: time to experiment with him at third base. When he's
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: played I think all of two games in his professional.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: Career at at third base. I just don't really understand it,
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: to be honest.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Here's how I see it. And Albert As said the
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: other day, he's a second baseman and we're going to
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: take a look, so they know they've got a problem
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: at third base. Why not at least take a look
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: and don't roll it in or out, but just start
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: to get some data on it. Can he do it?
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: What's it look like? He was very much up for it.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: To me, people knock his arm strength and the metrics.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: When you play second base and you're not cutting the
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: ball loose can sometimes look not great on your arm
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: strength because you don't have to cut the ball loose
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: on some of those flips to first. I'm not saying
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: he's got a plus arm or a gunner arm, nothing
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: like that, but I think it's average ish and I
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: think it could handle third in a short term. I
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: don't know if you can play it long term. I've
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: seen him play the heck out of shortstop in the minors. Again,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: not the gunners level. That's why gunners are shortstop. I'm
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: a big believer in the skin, as you can tell.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's worth at least looking at him and
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: then maybe they watch him for a few games and go,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: maybe this isn't the right play here.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: Oh and Steve, I'm a Jackson Holiday fan as well,
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: and I just ultimately want what's best for him. And
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: clearly this has been a frustrating situation him coming back
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: from the Hama bone surgery, and ultimately you just want
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: to see him comfortable and you want to see him
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: get used to, you know, the swinging a bat like
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: I he thought he broke his hand again the last
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: time and that's what stopped him there. I just wonder
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: the timing of this right now, with him yet to
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: debut this season with the O's We'll see. I get
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: it on the surface, but I just wonder the timing
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: of it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Well. I think the time of it is to have
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: a crisis at that position. I mean, you know, we
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: all support Kobe Mayo and appreciate his hard work, and
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: but it's just been a really, really problem position for
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: him right now. So I don't know if he'll ever
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: play third in the majors. I think it's Okay to
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: take a look at it on the farm here right now.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: But you're right, they're throwing a lot at that kid.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Got it. He's got an injury. He's got to get back.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: He's never really consistently hit the major league level. And
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: so Brad, he's been a great guy to deal with
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: when you're a one to one pick. What a fishball
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: he's been in. And here's another thing, so I can
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: see Tim's point greatly that, man, how much are you
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: gonna put on this kid at one point? But I'm
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: going to say this and again in order I might
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: have to eat. I just think he can handle it,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: and he will emerge looking good. It may not be
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: in the next few weeks, but maybe in the next
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: few months.
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: You know.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: The thing is too I've seen I've seen him obviously,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: you know, you see him as a number one pick,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: and man, the difference of when he got picked there
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: to now, just his body and how he's matured and
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: how he's gotten bigger. I wouldn't be surprised if he can,
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: if he's going to start hitting for more power and
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: has a stronger arm and all. You just never know
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: with a one one pick, those are just such unicorns.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't put anything by them, So I'm hoping. I'm
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: hoping he can handle third.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: I can hope.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: I hope he hits thirty home runs when he comes back,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: because oil fans deserve it.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: And it's been it's been fun following him.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I haven't got to see him play
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: a ton, but just watching the difference of his body
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: from when I saw him at one one, seeing.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: How big his dad was when I faced his dad.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: In New York, and uh, there's a lot of room
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: for growth there, So I wouldn't put anything by a
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: kid like that.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Well, this week can safely say there are no shortage
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: of interesting topics to discuss in Birdland these days, whether
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: the team is winning or losing or whatever. Man, there's
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a lot going on, and so that's good for a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: show like ours because we got a lot of shows
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: and we're able to fill it with a lot of
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: interesting stuff. So, uh, guys, appreciate this one. We will
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: reconvene in a few days and let's see how it goes.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: The Bronze Bombers are coming to Birdland, so it's gonna
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: be an interesting next few nights. Thanks to everybody for
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: watching today, and we'll see you next time with another
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: birdland territory.