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They’re Not Just Losing—They’re Collapsing · That KEVIN Show

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  Speaker 1: Somewhere in the bowels of the city that never sleeps.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin McCullough, radio host with Sailor Media.
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  Speaker 3: Is a man also not sleeping in the.
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  Speaker 3: externity to it, plus practical tips for family life, spiritual life,
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  Speaker 3: and good old regular life. It's Conn McCollough Monday through
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  Speaker 3: Friday on that Kevin sho I know from the honors
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  Speaker 3: in Sullivan Broadcast Studios, a man who is not what
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  Speaker 3: he wants to be, but is way grateful that is
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  Speaker 3: not who he used to be.
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  Speaker 2: Here, well welcome, it is. Gosh darn it, it is
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  Speaker 2: a special day. I don't know how to put it
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  Speaker 2: any other way. My entire universe of friends and family
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  Speaker 2: and folks have just come out of the woodwork to
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  Speaker 2: wish me a happy birthday today. And I didn't think
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  Speaker 2: that my fifty sixth birthday was a very big deal.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't think there would be many people interested in
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  Speaker 2: even acknowledging it. I really wasn't that interested in acknowledging it.
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  Speaker 2: And yet my lovely bride, my tremendous friend, even the
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  Speaker 2: snarky ones in the football text thread, my friends at
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  Speaker 2: Agency one thirty in Dallas, the whole family. There a
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  Speaker 2: lot of my friends in life that are just around
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  Speaker 2: the area, and even my musician friends from around the
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  Speaker 2: globe have all registered their and their wishes and thanks
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  Speaker 2: and happy birthdays to me, And I just it just
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  Speaker 2: does a man's heart nice. I don't. I don't look
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  Speaker 2: for much out of life. I don't ask for anything.
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  Speaker 2: When when my bride asked me, you know where do
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  Speaker 2: you want to go for dinner? And that you pick
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  Speaker 2: you're better at it than me? You know what? What
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  Speaker 2: what about this? What about that? There was? There was
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  Speaker 2: just nothing on the planet that I that I longed for.
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  Speaker 2: I don't. I am a guy that is very content
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  Speaker 2: and very happy and very grateful for all the blessings
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  Speaker 2: that God has already put in my life, and I
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  Speaker 2: want to live in that space of gratitude all the time,
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  Speaker 2: so I really don't. I don't think about my birthday
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  Speaker 2: when it rolls around. It is not something that is
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  Speaker 2: that is on my mind. And yet today, family from
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  Speaker 2: all over the country, friends from all over the country,
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  Speaker 2: co workers, past co workers have all reached out and
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  Speaker 2: wished me happy birthday, and several of them have said
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  Speaker 2: very nice things like, well, you don't look fifty six,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, thank you that. I guess on
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  Speaker 2: some level, if the kids are of the right age
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  Speaker 2: and I'm still active enough, you know, I can be,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe convince myself that I'm not getting into,
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  Speaker 2: you know, whatever the next stage of life is. And look,
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  Speaker 2: I know in my business in the talk media realm,
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  Speaker 2: I'm still very young. A lot of the guys that
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  Speaker 2: occupy spaces behind microphones are they got twenty years on me.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not. I'm not in any way wishing to
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  Speaker 2: be anywhere than just where I am. But it was
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  Speaker 2: so so nice, so thoughtful. And Alison from the from
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  Speaker 2: the te Collective wrote a very lovely note on Instagram
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  Speaker 2: that I was not expecting and she and my bride.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know what to do. What do
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  Speaker 2: you do with women who get into cahoots with each other?
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  Speaker 2: Like that's a that's a because she went behind my
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  Speaker 2: back and she went to my bride, and she got
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  Speaker 2: these pictures from my life, and nearly every one of
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  Speaker 2: them make me cry just looking at them, because it's
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  Speaker 2: such that they capture such special times and memories. There's
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  Speaker 2: this one of my daughter sitting on my lap. We're
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  Speaker 2: in North Carolina on vacation in the summer, and she's
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  Speaker 2: not anywhere near that small any anymore. She's going to
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  Speaker 2: be in junior high next year. But she was just
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  Speaker 2: a little thing and she sat on my lap and
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  Speaker 2: she would give me these hugs and she would just say, Daddy,
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  Speaker 2: you know, she's just my world kind of just you know,
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  Speaker 2: she just was everything. And she's got this cute little grin,
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  Speaker 2: this cute little mischievous grin on her face, and I just,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. It just made me really teary eyed
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  Speaker 2: when I saw it today. And the whole the whole
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  Speaker 2: slide show's full of that. It's only like a one
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  Speaker 2: minute thing or whatever that they put together, but my goodness,
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  Speaker 2: how they picked just exactly the right ones. And and
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  Speaker 2: I'm just going to put this out there because I
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  Speaker 2: know that it's already being talked about. Somehow. Somebody found
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  Speaker 2: a picture from my time at Moody Radio in Chicago
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  Speaker 2: about one hundred and eighty five years ago, when I
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  Speaker 2: had hair and I had the flat top on top
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  Speaker 2: and the mullet in the back, and I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: I look like Rick Springfield or something like it is
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  Speaker 2: like he's a pop keyboard player. No, it was. It
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  Speaker 2: was strange to see that. But even even in that picture, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: there's there's me, There's Greg Wheatley, who was the program
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  Speaker 2: director at WNBI at the time. There's Carl Metcalf who
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  Speaker 2: was the morning news guy. And then there was this
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  Speaker 2: guy named Bob Murfin who was a pastor in the
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  Speaker 2: Chicago area. W nb I was a Christian owned and
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  Speaker 2: operated station, and I was the producer, booker, engineer, you know,
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  Speaker 2: chime in from the you know, left field kind of
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  Speaker 2: cackles guy. And I was like, I hadn't seen those
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  Speaker 2: faces or heard those names in years, and boy, what
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  Speaker 2: a what a what a throwback to a much younger,
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  Speaker 2: far more foolish version of myself in that picture, but
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  Speaker 2: so thank you. Thank you Amy, thank you Allison, thank
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  Speaker 2: you Jay and Charlie and Rick and all the rest.
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  Speaker 2: And thank you Aunt Karen, Uncle Kevin and Vicky, everybody
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  Speaker 2: that's been weighing in, all the friends on Facebook, all
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  Speaker 2: the friends on Instagram. It's just it. You blew me away.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea. It was just really special. Thank you,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for doing all of that. Totally unnecessary and
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  Speaker 2: yet deeply deeply appreciated. Coming up on today's show, let
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  Speaker 2: me give you a little sneak preview of what we
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  Speaker 2: wellness stuff. In the second hour. Doctor Moniki Johnnon is
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  Speaker 2: going to be back with us from the Independent Women's Forum.
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  Speaker 2: She is focused on the commemoration of the legalization of
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  Speaker 2: the Affordable Care Act otherwise known as Obamacare. Where do
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  Speaker 2: we go from here? We'll break all that down in
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  Speaker 2: the second hour today, so I hope he'll be with
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  Speaker 2: us for that, and just really super pleased to be
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  Speaker 2: able to bring that to you on Wednesdays. Now in
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  Speaker 2: the first hour here, just in a bit, well, we've
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  Speaker 2: got how do we live? Pastor Stone Day, Dave Pastor
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  Speaker 2: Day's back with us pastor Dave Stone from Folks on
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  Speaker 2: the Family. But we've also got my friend Billy halliwell,
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  Speaker 2: who has not been on the show anytime recently. It's
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  Speaker 2: been quite a while since Billy's been with us, and
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  Speaker 2: he has just completed a document entry on the existence
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  Speaker 2: of angels and demons, and this is compelling stuff. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm still going to advocate friend, thank you, thank you,
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  Speaker 2: thank you. By the way we are we are under
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  Speaker 2: I believe. Let me do the math real quick. We
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  Speaker 2: are just right at one hundred children to go to
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  Speaker 2: hit seven hundred and twenty kids that we will have
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  Speaker 2: fed for the year and given clean drinking water for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of their life. But we still I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to leave a single one of those hundred kids
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  Speaker 2: off the list. And this is this is the point
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  Speaker 2: where I start getting really antsy, because it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: we know that there's at least, you know, one hundred
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  Speaker 2: more that we haven't taken, Like, thank you for helping
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  Speaker 2: us with the first six hundred and twenty, but now
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  Speaker 2: these last hundred, I don't want that. I don't want
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  Speaker 2: this to be a struggle. So if you've been, if
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  Speaker 4: He is from New York exact Kevin McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, It's Wednesday. Glad you're with us.
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  Speaker 2: We've got a lot to talk about, as the news
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  Speaker 2: of the day insists, but before we get to any
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  Speaker 2: of that, we take a little time out and we say,
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  Speaker 2: let's ask a big question. How should we live? How
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  Speaker 2: should we live in the midst of everything that's going on?
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  Speaker 2: And that's a particularly relevant question in the days in
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  Speaker 2: which we live. So I don't feel bad asking it,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not going to stop. So if you come here,
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  Speaker 2: you know what you're going to get. But this week
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  Speaker 2: we're doing something special. We are walking our way mostly
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  Speaker 2: in the Book of John, through events preceding the events
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  Speaker 2: that we will celebrate next week Holy Week. But what
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  Speaker 2: happened leading up to that? How did Jesus and the disciples,
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  Speaker 2: what did they experience, what did they discuss? What did
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  Speaker 2: they go through? As his time of ministry was kind
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  Speaker 2: of coming to its fulcrum, it was coming to the
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  Speaker 2: very pinnacle of what he was going to have to experience.
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  Speaker 2: And Dave Stone is back with us. He is the
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  Speaker 2: podcast host of a podcast called Pastor to pastor that's
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  Speaker 2: produced by Focus on the Family. You can get that
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  Speaker 2: anywhere you get podcasts. He's also a pastor of thirty
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  Speaker 2: plus years, mentored many pastors across the country and loves
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  Speaker 2: just loves talking about the goodness of God. And Dave,
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  Speaker 2: we've been so encouraged already convicted as well. And I
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  Speaker 2: would say, for me, more convicted than encouraged, that this
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  Speaker 2: is a serious time of year that we should be
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  Speaker 2: contemplating these big questions. But today we moved to John
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  Speaker 2: eighteen and the garden of Gethsemine, a place I've physically
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  Speaker 2: been to and seen with my own eyes. Why is
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  Speaker 2: this little piece of geography important?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Hey, Kevin, is great to be back with you,
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  Speaker 5: you think, thank you so much for having me. It's
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  Speaker 5: important for a number of reasons. In fact, as you noticed,
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  Speaker 5: some of those trees that are there were there two
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  Speaker 5: thousand years ago, some of the oldest trees that you
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  Speaker 5: will ever find in that garden. Is important because it
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  Speaker 5: was important to our Lord. It was a getaway for him.
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  Speaker 5: You know, President has Camp David right and places like that,
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  Speaker 5: but Jesus place to get away from when he would
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  Speaker 5: just go across the Kidron Valley and go to that
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  Speaker 5: garden of Yseimi.
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  Speaker 6: That was the place where he really.
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  Speaker 5: Felt close to his father and it was a place
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  Speaker 5: where he would go to pray. And that's why it
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  Speaker 5: was that it was very natural for Judas to know
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  Speaker 5: where he was and to bring the soldiers there. And
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  Speaker 5: it's an overwhelming detachment that he is going to bring.
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  Speaker 5: But before we get to that, we've talked about servanthood.
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  Speaker 5: On Monday, we talked about the Supper and the significance
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  Speaker 5: of the Lord's Supper.
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  Speaker 6: On Tuesday.
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  Speaker 5: Today, what we want to talk about is this this
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  Speaker 5: submissive spirit that Jesus has, because this is the prayer
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  Speaker 5: where he is going to go and pour his heart
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  Speaker 5: out to the Lord, to his father, and he's going
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  Speaker 5: to ask if there is some other way. And what's
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  Speaker 5: profound about this moment, Kevin, is that he takes his
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  Speaker 5: closer disciples, the ones, the three that he's closer with,
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  Speaker 5: he takes them a little bit further with.
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  Speaker 6: Him and he asks them.
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  Speaker 5: To pray with him because he says, my soul is
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  Speaker 5: deeply troubled and distressed. So there's this piece of vulnerability
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  Speaker 5: where Jesus is sharing, hey, I'm really having a hard time.
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  Speaker 6: Can you imagine Deity, God's son saying, I'm having a
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  Speaker 6: hard day. But that's what he does.
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  Speaker 5: He became deeply troubled, and he says to them, my
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  Speaker 5: soul is Christ with grief to the point of death.
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  Speaker 6: Stay here and keep watch with me. So one thing I.
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  Speaker 5: Want to point out, and I think you'll agree with this,
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  Speaker 5: is that if the son of God needed people beside
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  Speaker 5: him and didn't try to go through the tough parts
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  Speaker 5: of life by himself, how much more do we need
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  Speaker 5: Christian brothers and sisters beside us.
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  Speaker 2: That is powerfully convicting, But it's true. If the God
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  Speaker 2: of the universe desired it, yeah, then there's nothing wrong
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  Speaker 2: with us feeling like we need it.
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  Speaker 1: Too, exactly.
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  Speaker 5: And you know, we were made for community. We were
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  Speaker 5: made by community. To think about the Trinity. You know,
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  Speaker 5: in the beginning, God created the heavens of the earth.
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  Speaker 5: He goes, also, let us make man in our own image,
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  Speaker 5: and so you've got God, the Father of God, the
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  Speaker 5: Son God, the spirits. So there is something about community.
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  Speaker 5: He wired us in that way. We are better together
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  Speaker 5: than we are apart. And so that's what's taking place.
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  Speaker 5: He's got these close compadres right there beside him.
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  Speaker 6: He's being vulnerable. He goes off a little.
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  Speaker 5: Bit further, and this is when he praised that prayer Kevin,
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  Speaker 5: and he says, if it's possible for this cup to
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  Speaker 5: be passed from me, let it.
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  Speaker 6: Yet not mine will, but your will be done.
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  Speaker 5: And I think it's it's important to point out that
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  Speaker 5: anytime you see the word cup, it typically is signifying
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  Speaker 5: life and death. The term cup is used to describe punishment,
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  Speaker 5: divine retribution and signifies life and death. And so when
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  Speaker 5: he says, if this cup can be passed from me,
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  Speaker 5: he knows what's about to unfold. This is his You
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  Speaker 5: have one hundred percent humanity, one percent deity. It's not
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  Speaker 5: a sliding spell of fifty percent deity and fifty percent humanity.
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  Speaker 6: He was one hundred percent both. He was a godly
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  Speaker 6: man and a man god. And so he is saying, Okay, Lord,
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  Speaker 6: if I'm the only way by dying, then I will
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  Speaker 6: accept that.
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  Speaker 5: But if there's any other way, I would really rather
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  Speaker 5: not go through that. And yet he submits to God's
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  Speaker 5: will and from that second, odd by the way, he's
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  Speaker 5: sweating dropped like on the blood the Bible says, which
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  Speaker 5: is as close to death, as intense.
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  Speaker 6: Of an encounter as someone can have.
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  Speaker 5: And from that moment on when he arises from that,
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  Speaker 5: he is.
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  Speaker 6: A man on a mission, Kevin, and he is He's
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  Speaker 6: not questioning, he's not asking, he's not saying if there's
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  Speaker 6: any other way. He is resolute, and he has set
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  Speaker 6: his face for the cross.
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  Speaker 2: So this is a this is another stop on the
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  Speaker 2: way to the ultimate moment that he's going to experience. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: the disciples that went with him didn't really live up
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  Speaker 2: to the task. And that's a polite way of putting it.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, you're very gentle. Once again, we're going to see
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  Speaker 5: ourselves in them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I think about.
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  Speaker 5: Different times when my wife and I will be praying
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  Speaker 5: just before we fall asleep, and one of us will
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  Speaker 5: fall asleep in the middle of the other person's prayer.
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  Speaker 5: And it's not that it's a long prayer, it's just
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  Speaker 5: that it just happens when you're tired.
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  Speaker 6: These guys have had a full meal, they're shuffed, and.
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  Speaker 5: Now they walk out. They're underneath the stars. Their intent,
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  Speaker 5: their heart is good, they want to pray. They feel
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  Speaker 5: special that Jesus brought them even a little bit further.
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  Speaker 6: They're part of this inner circle.
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  Speaker 5: And yet man, they all fall asleep and they just
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  Speaker 5: kind of crash there. So even when Jesus has poured
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  Speaker 5: out his heart and said, give me the most vulnerable moment,
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  Speaker 5: I don't know of a time where he's more vulnerable
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  Speaker 5: than looking at his closest friends and saying, my soul
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  Speaker 5: is crushed to the point of death. Will you stay
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  Speaker 5: here and keep watch with me and pray? And yet
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  Speaker 5: they start off with good intentions, and then they and
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  Speaker 5: then they fade, and it is a It is a
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  Speaker 5: good picture.
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  Speaker 6: Of how we are at times. But I love how
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  Speaker 6: he submits to the way here.
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  Speaker 5: Here's here's what's important for us to notice is shating
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  Speaker 5: up all the while. When he's praying this cuppy passed
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  Speaker 5: from me, let it, but not my will, but your
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  Speaker 5: will be done. Satan is saying, oh, you know, there's
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  Speaker 5: got to be an easier way. Just got to be
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  Speaker 5: an easier way. Let me share with you real quickly.
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  Speaker 5: The other day, I was in my basement. I came upstairs.
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  Speaker 5: My wife was listening to my pastor to Pastor podcast.
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  Speaker 6: So I'm feeling kind of good. She's listening to.
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  Speaker 5: It well, as she's talking to me and I'm kind
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  Speaker 5: of listening. There comes a point where I start talking
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more on the podcast and my wife
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  Speaker 5: is still talking to me and Kevin, this is what
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  Speaker 5: I experienced.
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  Speaker 6: I found myself listening to my own voice on the
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: podcast in the background more than what my wife was
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: trying to tell me.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: That that is not a good start to the conversation.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: I was drawn into it.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: And at one point she stopped and she said, did
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: you hear a word that I just said? And I'm trying,
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: you know, desperately to find any word.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: The wheels are turning, the machine's going, what's you say?
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: What you say?
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: What you say? One word?
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: Where I could even have the topic that she was on.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: But you know, here's my point, Jesus is so different
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: than us. We're getting enamored by our own voice. We're
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: getting enamored by by Satan's voice and his temptations. And
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: yet Jesus Christ but so tuned in to put his
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: father's voice head to say to him, yeah, and.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: His fatherly voice must have said there's no other way.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: And as a result of that, yeah, he said yes
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: to the crush. Well that's a very powerful voice.
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: It's a very powerful place for us to put a
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: pause on it for today. Friends, I hope that this
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: is an encouraging week to you to consider reflection more
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: deeply for Holy Week this year. But to Pastor Dave
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Stone folks on the Family Pastor Pastor Podcast, please check
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: that out and thank you again for today. We will
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: be back with you tomorrow. Kevin McCalla, We've got a
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: big show straight ahead. Don't go anywhere. Let's stick around
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: for more of that.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: Kevin next here he is from New York. That Kevin McCullough.
• 21:17
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• 21:19
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• 21:22
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• 21:25
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• 21:28
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• 21:32
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• 21:36
  Speaker 2: There is probably not nearly enough written about the next
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: topic that we are going to discuss. Although there was
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: a season at least in my memory in my early
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: thirties where the idea of spiritual warfare became a big topic.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: This present darkness was a novel that kind of kicked
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: off people's imagination to think about it. Michael W. Smith
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: a couple of songs about it on the Secret Ambition album,
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: and there were lots of different theological kind of takes
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: that were published throughout mostly Christian publishing at the time,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: about it. But for the last fifteen years or so,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: it's gone kind of quiet until now. There's a documentary
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: that I want to tell you about, and the producer
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: director of that documentary, Billy Hollowell, is joining us. He
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: is part of the Great Contingency at CBN and doing
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: the work there. Billy, it's good to see you. We've
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: known each other for one hundred and fifty years and
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: we're finally getting together here. Why did you Why were
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: you fascinated enough in this subject matter that you wanted
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: to go tell the stories? Yeah, you know, this has
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: been a topic.
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: You know, there's certain topics sometimes that you know, God
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: kind of puts in your path and you want to
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: run away from them. And for a long time, this
• 22:52
  Speaker 8: was one of those subjects, you know, demons in particular,
• 22:56
  Speaker 8: but it was something that kept coming up. It kept
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: coming up in when I was working at the Bloe.
• 23:00
  Speaker 8: You know, more than a decade ago, I was covering
• 23:02
  Speaker 8: faith content. I was the faith editor there and we
• 23:04
  Speaker 8: would often get these, you know, real life possession stories
• 23:07
  Speaker 8: and people would come to us and they were credible.
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: I mean, there were a lot of very credible stories
• 23:11
  Speaker 8: where I would say, you know, look, I've been a
• 23:13
  Speaker 8: Christian my whole life.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I believe these things in my mind.
• 23:15
  Speaker 8: But then you're confronted with it and you're sort of like, Okay,
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: is this really real? And so I started on a
• 23:20
  Speaker 8: journey back about ten years ago, starting to look at
• 23:23
  Speaker 8: these topics, and you know, I wrote a book in
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: twenty twenty called Playing with Fire where I was dealing
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: specifically with what do Christians believe about evil and the demonic?
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: And so that was an interesting experience for me. And
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: then moving forward when I got to CBN and came
• 23:38
  Speaker 8: back in twenty twenty one to the organization Christian Broadcasting
• 23:42
  Speaker 8: Network Films CBN Films. Jared Anderson, our director and one
• 23:46
  Speaker 8: of the producers and the screenwriter on these projects, we
• 23:49
  Speaker 8: started talking and he really crafted this whole idea of hey,
• 23:53
  Speaker 8: we're not talking about the supernatural enough. What if we
• 23:55
  Speaker 8: did a TV show on miracles Angels and Demons, Heaven
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: and Hell, and we did a three part thirty minute
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: series and so he asked me to host it and
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: produce it.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: I jumped on board.
• 24:06
  Speaker 8: We went out and started filming it because we felt
• 24:08
  Speaker 8: it was important that the church was not talking about
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: these issues enough and that culture was talking about them
• 24:13
  Speaker 8: more than some churches were. And as soon as we
• 24:15
  Speaker 8: started filming.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: We're in never in a helpful or biblical sense exactly. Yep,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: never in a hell.
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: Every Halloween, those movies come out and they're never really
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: coming from a biblical perspective.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: And we've allowed that though.
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: You know a lot of Christians have allowed the secular
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: world to take a church topic and talk about it
• 24:31
  Speaker 8: more than the churches. Right, So as soon as we
• 24:33
  Speaker 8: started filming, it became apparent immediately these are not TV show,
• 24:38
  Speaker 8: This is not a TV series. These are movies each
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: individual topic and so we shifted very quickly.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: And this is our second film in the series. Yeah,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: and we didn't have you on for the first one,
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: so apologies for that, but we're glad to discuss this.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: So the concept of the film is you just talk
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: to people that have had experiences and they tell you
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: their story. Now I know that there are cynics listening
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: watching saying, okay, Billy said that they were credible. What
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: kind of credibility test was applied to more or less
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: ensure that your claim is true? Yeah?
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: I love that, and I love that question because I think,
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: at the end of the day, the last thing I
• 25:16
  Speaker 8: want to do, as somebody who's a journalist and I
• 25:18
  Speaker 8: love to investigate these things, is to give people information
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: that's not true. And so we spent a long time
• 25:25
  Speaker 8: vetting stories both on angels and demons.
• 25:27
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: We wanted to look at both.
• 25:29
  Speaker 8: And I will tell you I'm a natural even though
• 25:31
  Speaker 8: I'm a Christian, I'm a natural skeptic. If you tell
• 25:33
  Speaker 8: me you've had some demonic experience, my first reaction is
• 25:35
  Speaker 8: prove it to me, give me the evidence, tell me
• 25:38
  Speaker 8: something that will show me that what you're telling me
• 25:40
  Speaker 8: is true. And so we were able to really dig
• 25:43
  Speaker 8: into medical records. You know, if you're talking about a
• 25:46
  Speaker 8: situation where somebody has had a near death experience, for instance,
• 25:50
  Speaker 8: or they've had some element where they've encountered these things
• 25:53
  Speaker 8: that we can verify. We went to every length we
• 25:55
  Speaker 8: could to find that verification. You can verify through other people,
• 25:59
  Speaker 8: through other witnesses. Right, So we went out really by
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: the time we went out to film these interviews, we
• 26:04
  Speaker 8: had a very good idea of what we were dealing with,
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: and so we knew they were very credible stories. But
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: even then, you walk in and you're like, Okay, you're
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: telling me you had a near death experience, you saw
• 26:13
  Speaker 8: angels and you had a miracle healing.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Prove that to me.
• 26:16
  Speaker 8: And so our goal was to provide the information, and
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: not just the information, but also reenactments. We spent a
• 26:22
  Speaker 8: lot of time and money on reenactments to show people
• 26:26
  Speaker 8: what happened, what did it look like, because storytelling often
• 26:29
  Speaker 8: requires that.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: So there are multiple, multiple layers of this.
• 26:33
  Speaker 8: But we felt very confident walking away from every story
• 26:36
  Speaker 8: that we had done our due diligence to you know,
• 26:39
  Speaker 8: offer scientific information.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: By the way, we have.
• 26:41
  Speaker 8: A psychiatrist, we have a psychologist, you know, we have
• 26:44
  Speaker 8: people who are are science people as well medical professionals
• 26:48
  Speaker 8: involved in this so that we could.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Really look at every aspect of it. I want to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: take a break and come back with Billy Hollowell. I
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: want to I want I want to get the answer
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: to the question of why do you think there's such
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: within christian within Christendom, a push to try to deflate
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: these ideas and experiences so readily and so out of hand.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: It seems to me that the church should be about
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: wanting to know facts, wanting to know actual historical substance,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: as opposed to wanting to believe something to be true
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: or not true. And I'm wondering where that desire comes from.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: If you think it's fear, if you think it's uncertainty,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: what is it that drives that, Because there is an element,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: especially in evangelicalism, to dismiss a bunch of this stuff
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: out of hand. We'll be right back Billy halliwell as
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: with us from CBN as a brand new director producer
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: of the documentary that we're discussing here on Angels and Demons,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: can tell you how you can see it. And coming
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: right back to Uncle one.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Here he is from New York that n Kevin McCullough.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kevin mccallough. Glad to have you with us.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: We haven't talked about this topic ever since we've been
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: doing this version of the show, and that points to
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: a little bit of what I was just saying. In
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the last segment that this is a subject matter that
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: has gone on some level quite quiet in Christian circles.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Whereas you know, thirty years ago Frank Peretti's this present darkness,
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: lots of theological books written about whether or not spiritual
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: warfare was real, angels, demons, all the rest of this.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: As our guest said in the last segment, it's kind
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: of been turned over to the Tom Hankses of the world,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: and that's a really bad place for it to all
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: end up, being so billy, We're grateful. The film is
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: called Investigating the Supernatural, Angels and Demons. It's the second
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: of a three part series, and we're talking about real
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: life of day to day folks that experienced this stuff.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: What was the Well, let me get an answer to
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: the question that we went to break on. Why do
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: you think there's such pushback still in Christendom as to
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: whether or not these things actually do occur?
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think there are so many layers to this.
• 29:22
  Speaker 8: On one hand, you have the secular culture pushing in
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: to the church, right, and so you have this fear
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: of looking weird or seeming strange, and so I mean,
• 29:33
  Speaker 8: I went my whole life to church, and every pastor
• 29:36
  Speaker 8: would say they obviously they believe in the devil, they
• 29:38
  Speaker 8: believe in evil, they believe in demons, they believe in angels,
• 29:41
  Speaker 8: but nobody ever preached or talked about it. And what's
• 29:44
  Speaker 8: so fascinating to me is Ephesian six is so clear
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: we are living in a spiritual battle. That you have
• 29:50
  Speaker 8: to fight the battle by being a Christian, by reading
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: your Bible, by living right. But you have to take
• 29:53
  Speaker 8: up the shield of faith. That's what that means. And
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: yet we have a church that is not equipping people
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: to recognize that they're in a battle. You cannot win
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: a battle you don't know you're in. And so that
• 30:04
  Speaker 8: has been something for me that is so convicting because
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: these churches, the ones who don't talk about this, these pastors,
• 30:09
  Speaker 8: they're putting people at such a disadvantage. But I think
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: it's the fear of looking weird. I think it's also
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: because of the material nature of the West. We are
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: not thinking about spiritual things. We talk about them sometimes,
• 30:21
  Speaker 8: but we don't want to acknowledge that this is very real.
• 30:24
  Speaker 8: You go other places, look, they're dealing with this stuff,
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: and they're talking about it, and they're seeing miracles happen
• 30:29
  Speaker 8: at a rate that's way higher than we are, and
• 30:30
  Speaker 8: so we've become apathetic, we've become lazy, and I think
• 30:35
  Speaker 8: we've abdicated our responsibility.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: But here's the I mean, you cover the news every day.
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: You can't make sense of what is happening in the
• 30:42
  Speaker 8: world if you don't understand evil and ephesion six and
• 30:45
  Speaker 8: how evil and good are fighting a battle that is
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: pouring over into the world around us, and it affects
• 30:50
  Speaker 8: everything from our lives onward. And so I do think
• 30:54
  Speaker 8: it's it's a little bit of laziness and fear. But
• 30:57
  Speaker 8: by the way, eighty one percent of the country, if
• 31:00
  Speaker 8: not more, believes there's something spiritual beyond of this.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: That's the stat that gets me, because we have this
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: weird uncertainty fear that is in the back of our heads,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: and yet we all cop to saying, oh, yeah, absolutely,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I believe that stuff happens. And the problem that I
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: have with that, Billy, is that if the church leaves
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: a vacuum, then other forces will always fill it. And
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: if the Church isn't helping us understand what's happening in
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: this arena, you're going to have the Spielbergs and Hanks's
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: and other people of the world come in with their
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: ideas of what it looks like, and it's not going
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: to be biblical, and it's not going to be based
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: on what God has to say about it, which is
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: ultimately what we need to understand and kind of react to.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: So it's I think that what you're doing here is really,
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: really vital. So how do we live in the midst
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: of that. Our job is to not change mission, change course.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: But this is one of those, I feel like areas
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: where you know, engagement sometimes can be latched onto or
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: completely shunned based on how the handling of this discussion
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: of evil goes.
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: Oh absolutely, I mean I think, look, people don't want
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: to be accountable right for their actions. Theyn't want to
• 32:12
  Speaker 8: be accountable to sin, so it's easy to try to
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: come up with some other spiritual formation that doesn't require that,
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: which is why Christianity requires that we die to ourselves,
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: that we realize that our desires may not align with
• 32:23
  Speaker 8: what God wants, and so the secular culture is going
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: to reject that. What is said is when the church
• 32:27
  Speaker 8: culture isn't equipping the people of the church. I mean, look,
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: The stats on biblical worldview are horrific. It's like four
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: percent of Americans have a biblical worldview. And so that's
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: because we've abdicated our responsibility. We don't want to talk
• 32:40
  Speaker 8: about evil because it's it's more unpleasant. When you look
• 32:42
  Speaker 8: at the polling data, it's interesting people are more likely
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: to believe in heaven in God than they are Satan
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: in hell.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Well, why is that again?
• 32:50
  Speaker 8: You have to you have to think, well, I might
• 32:52
  Speaker 8: be condemned for my actions if I don't accept Jesus.
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: What does that mean for me? And so people don't
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: want to think about those things. But this proper understanding
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: of evil, it points us back to God. Actually, when
• 33:04
  Speaker 8: we fully understand it, we know what the solution is.
• 33:07
  Speaker 8: We know that Jesus wins this battle. The battle, though
• 33:10
  Speaker 8: is not over, We are very much in it. And
• 33:12
  Speaker 8: I think too many of us are reading the Bible
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: as though it's a book that already happened, that everything
• 33:16
  Speaker 8: in it already happened, and we're sort of reading this history.
• 33:19
  Speaker 8: And there is a lot of history, and there are
• 33:20
  Speaker 8: a lot of things that already happened, but they're intricately
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: tied to what has not yet happened. And the Bible
• 33:26
  Speaker 8: talks about a lot of prophecy right that has not happened,
• 33:29
  Speaker 8: and so we are very much in it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: And so when Paul talks about this spiritual.
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: Battle that we're in in Ephesian six, it is an
• 33:37
  Speaker 8: active you know, just when he wrote it, it was
• 33:39
  Speaker 8: just as active as it is today. And so I
• 33:42
  Speaker 8: think people just they struggle with anything that feels supernatural,
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: yet they fail to realize that our whole existence is
• 33:50
  Speaker 8: supernatural God's creation.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: I mean, you and I sitting here talking the way
• 33:54
  Speaker 8: we are right now, this is supernatural.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: It's incredible. Firs. Sure, breath we took was breathed by
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: God into us. So it's like, you know, well it
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: has maybe more supernatural than that. Okay, Billy, let's tell
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: people where they can see the film, and what's your
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: ultimate goal for everybody watching or listening today? I mean,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: how do we get how do we get people engaged?
• 34:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, so the film can be watched, It can be
• 34:15
  Speaker 8: streamed right now, CBN dot com, Forward slash Supernatural.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: That's where you go for it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: You know, the goal for this film is to get
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: people thinking there are too many people walking around.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 34:26
  Speaker 8: Look if you're an atheist and agnostic or a Christian,
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: this is a film for you. I think there's something
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: for everybody here. For Christians, my hope is that this
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: will get us thinking more about the faith we claim
• 34:36
  Speaker 8: to believe in. Do we understand every part of it?
• 34:38
  Speaker 8: Are we open to the fact that God is still moving,
• 34:40
  Speaker 8: that these things are still going on? Do we have
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: a proper framework for what evil means? We don't need
• 34:46
  Speaker 8: to be afraid of the demonic and that's something that's
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: really important. This is not a film to scare you.
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: It's a film to get you thinking. If you're a skeptic,
• 34:53
  Speaker 8: I think looking at this evidence is really important, you know.
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: In coming up with other answers, challenge me go to
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: Billy Hobbell dot com, write me a letter, me a note.
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: If you watch the film and you don't think that
• 35:02
  Speaker 8: there's evidence, or you have some question, or if you
• 35:04
  Speaker 8: have a story you want to share, share it. I
• 35:06
  Speaker 8: want to hear your stories as well. But our hope
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: is just to get people thinking and ultimately move them
• 35:11
  Speaker 8: closer to the Lord.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Billy Hollowell dot com. Hallowell is spelled H a double
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: L O W E. L. L. Billy Hallowell dot com
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: or go to CBN dot com backslash Supernatural to view
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: the film might be a good conversation starter even as
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: you're heading into Holy Week, to think about the real
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: supernatural act of defeating death and being resurrected afterwards. It's
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: pretty incredible stuff. Billy, appreciate you, Thank you for being here.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you you got it. Kevin mccallaugh coming back from
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Times Square. Super glad to have.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: You with us.
• 35:47
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• 36:40
  Speaker 2: As we close today, though, I want to sit with
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: something uncomfortable for a minute. A question that I've asked myself,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: and even if you've never said it out loud, maybe
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: you've thought about it over the last couple of hours.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Why them? Why the children that we're talking about? Why
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: that child? Why did that child not eat in days?
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Why that mother who has to pray over an empty pot?
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Why that family who goes to bed with nothing but
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: hope for better tomorrow? And why me? Why do I
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: wake up safe? Why is my refrigerator full? Why do
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: I get to turn on a faucet and have delicious,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: clean water coming out? Why do I get to live
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: in peace while somewhere else life is nothing but chaos.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Let's be real honest about this. None of us earned this,
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: None of us did. We didn't deserve this more than
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: the children we've been talking about. We didn't work harder
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: in the womb and get to pick which mom had us.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: We didn't choose our birthplace. We didn't qualify for a blessing.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Grace chose us. Providence placed us. God put us here
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: not because we're better, but because he trusted us. He
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: trusted us to notice, he trusted us to care, He
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: trusts us to act, and somewhere tonight in those fifteen countries,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: that Food for the Poor is working. In many somewheres tonight,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: a child is whispering a prayer, God, please let there
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: be food tomorrow. And maybe, just maybe you're the answer
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: to that prayer. Maybe the reason you're listening right now,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe the reason you stumbled across this show. Maybe the
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: reason you have a warm home and a full stomach
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: and peace in your life is because God is saying
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: to you, I'm sending my love through you. You're supposed
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: to be my agent in this. We live in a
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: world where suffering feels random, but compassion is never random.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: Think about that. Opportunity is never random, Responsibility is never random.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: When God lets you see pain, it's because he's inviting
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: you into purpose. And that's what Food for the Poor represents.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: It's not just an organization. It's an answer, an answer
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: to the tears that a mother cries. It's an answer
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to a hunger pain that a child feels. It's an
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: answer to desperate prayers. Through them, children eat, families survive,
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: communities rebuild, and souls hear the gospel. This isn't charity.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: It's discipleship. It's love with hands and feet. It's faith
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: that shows up. And here's the truth. You can't fix
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the whole world, but you can change someone's world. You
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: can't feed every hungry child, but you can feed one.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: You can't stop every tragedy, but you can bring hope
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: into one life. And when you do, Heaven notices. Scripture says,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: whatever you do for the least of these, you do
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: for me. So when you give, you're feeding Jesus. You're
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: loving Jesus, serving Jesus. Why them, because the world is broken?
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: Why you? Because God puts you in a position. He
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: gave you breath and provision and influence, not to hoard it,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: to share it. That's God's invitation to you. If you
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: feel compelled, that's purpose awakening. Be part of the answer,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Be part of the miracle, Be part of the solution.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Let your comfort becomes someone else's survival, and lets your
• 40:26
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• 42:15
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• 42:17
  Speaker 2: My heart is just overflowing with joy today, a good
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: deal of tears as well. Just it just means the
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: world to know that people care, and it seems kind
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: of profound that in this day and age that's something
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: that simple, is that moving, But to me, it truly
• 42:36
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• 42:39
  Speaker 2: thank you so much. Coming up in this hour, doctor
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Moniqui Johannon will be with us. We are going to
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: talk about all things related to the sixteenth commemoration of
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: the passing of obama Care, the Affordable Care Act, and
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: get some real answers on we were promised a lot
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: of things. How did it live up to its billing.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: There's no presuppositions. We'll just ask the questions and let
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: the data speak. So I hope you'll be, you know,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: staying with us for that should be very interesting. Doctor
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Minikio hand in one of my favorites. I want to
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: get to something that's been bothering me over the last
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: couple of days, because on Monday, the news was very
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: promising that the President had come out and announced that
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: negotiations were going well with Iran. He was considering a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: pause in some of the offensive operations, especially against energy infrastructure,
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: et cetera. The Iranians didn't like that, or some sector
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: of The Iranians didn't like that because on Tuesday they
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: came out and said, he's full of it, he doesn't
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: know what he's talking about, he's just lying, he's just
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: trying to buy time, blah blah blah. We talked with
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Kati McFarland yesterday. She said, well, whether he meant it
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: or not, they should assume that he does. Kind like, well,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: that makes sense, and Kat knows what she's talking about.
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: But the thing is this, we have decimated the entire
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: military operation of Iran. The IRGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: is in charge. Now. The Iyatola is just a hologram.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: That dude is. He's cooked, there's nothing left of him.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: And I don't think anybody wants to become the next Dietola.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: So this is the in just forty eight hours from
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: Monday to Tuesday. The president's saying good negotiations, then some
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: sector of Iranian leadership on Tuesday saying no, no, no,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: no negotiations, blah blah blah, and then and then here's
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: the news today. So it keeps, it keeps rotating. But
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: if you want to understand what's really going on in
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Iran right now, don't listen to the spin. Watch the behavior.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: This is my advice. Watch who's being expelled, Watch who's
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: being deployed. Watch who's suddenly willing to talk? Because when
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: you line up the facts and not the narratives, you
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: see something that's pretty plain. This is not a stalemate.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: This is a regime in total and complete collapse. Let's
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: start with some analysis here on the battlefield. According to
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: US leadership, Iran's military long type as a regional powerhouse,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: has been dismantled at a pace even seasoned observers didn't expect.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: War Secretary Pete Hegseth didn't mince words, describing the campaign
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: as historically decisive, noting that a modern military had been
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: rapidly obliterated from the outset. And that's pretty much what's happened.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: They don't have anything to fight back with. That's not rhetoric,
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: that's results. We're talking about thousands of targets struck, critical infrastructure, neutralized,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: naval assets destroyed, the Iranian navy sitting at the bottom
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: of the strait, and the regime's ability to project any
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: force across the region now dramatically reduced. And here's the
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: part that critics, you know, the forever war types. Quagmire
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: still can't process. The speed of how it happened matters,
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: because speed equals shock, and shock breaks. Regimes now layer
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: on top of what's happening diplomatically. Lebanon just told Iranian's
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: ambassador to pack his bags and get out. Saudi Arabia
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: followed suit, expelling Iranian officials and severing one of the
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: last functioning diplomatic channels. And they already don't like each other.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: That's not coincidence. That's called isolation, and isolation is the
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: death spiral of any regime that survives on projection, intimidation
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: and proxies. For decades, Iran's power wasn't just missiles or drones.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: It was about networks as belaw regional proxies, back channel diplomacy,
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: intimidation through terrorist attacks, and presence. Now those networks are
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: going by the bye. Countries that once tolerated Iran are
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: now publicly rejecting it. And they're doing it after the
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: United States and Israel demonstrated overwhelming force. That's not diplomacy
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: in a vacuum. That's diplomacy responding to the facts. What's
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: going on. Actually, we have a regime losing allies. They've
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: lost their leverage, and this is key. Now they're losing
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: internal coherence, which brings us to the most important question.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Nobody on the left seems willing to ask who is
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: actually in charge of Iran right now because the answer
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: is complicated. Top leadership has been decimated, driven underground, killed.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Power is fractured between remnants of the Revolutionary Guard, surviving
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: political figures, and whatever shadow structure is trying to hold
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: things together behind the scenes. That's not stability. That's a
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: power vacuum, and power vacuums don't negotiate from strength. They
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: negotiate from desperation, which explains why public denials. Multiple channels
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: of communication are all now reportedly open between the US
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: and the right quote right people inside of Iran, not
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: official people, not public people, the right people. That's how
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: regime transitions happen quietly at first, behind the scenes, while
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: the public face pretends everything is fine. But nothing is fine,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Not when your military has been dismantled, not when your
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: diplomats are being expelled, Not when your economy is choking
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: on a disrupted strait of Hormuz and global pressure is mounting,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Not when your enemies are flying overhead uncontested, and certainly
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: not when the United States is both negotiating and positioning
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: troops simultaneously. That combination force plus diplomacy is not a contradiction.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: It's a formula, and it's how wars end, and it's
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: exactly what the critics said couldn't happen, but blunt. The
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: same voices that mocked the idea of decisive victory are
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: now scrambling to explain why everything is moving so fast.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: They don't have a framework for it because their framework
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: assumes American power is inherently destabilizing. But what we're watching
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: right now proves the opposite. American power used decisively, unapologetically,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: and strategically creates clarity, It forces choices, it accelerates outcomes,
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: and in this case, it is exposing something that should
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: have been obviously all along. Iran's regime was never as
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: strong as it pretended to be. It's propped up by fear,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: by proxies, by the assumption that no one would ever
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: challenge it directly. That assumption is gone, and with it
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: the illusion, which brings us to the emotional truth at
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: the center of this. For years, the Iranian people themselves
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: have lived under a regime that siphered resources into missiles
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: instead of medicine, into terror networks instead of opportunity. They protested,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: they resisted, they paid the price, they got killed, and now,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: for the first time in a long time, the regime
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: that held them hostages on its heels, not because of
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: endless war, but because of decisive action, because someone finally
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: chose to finish. So now this isn't a forever war.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: It's something far more uncomfortable for the critics to admit.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: It's a war that's being won, and not just being
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: one on the battlefield, but in the unraveling of a
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: regime that, for the first time in decades, looks less
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: like a threat and more like it's running out of time.
• 50:34
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  Speaker 2: last time we spoke. I'm going to try not to
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: do that today, but thank you for being here. We
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: passed a very interesting anniversary this week, the sixteenth anniversary
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: of the Affordable Care Act. And your thoughts on that milestone.
• 52:16
  Speaker 11: Oh, you know, is there a reverse for milestone? Feels
• 52:21
  Speaker 11: to me like it has a positive connotation, and I,
• 52:24
  Speaker 11: you know, I think a lot about what Nancy Pelosi says.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I say, the commemoration, Yes, that is such a better
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: funeral for you know, well.
• 52:33
  Speaker 9: The funeral for common sense.
• 52:35
  Speaker 11: In a lot of this, I would say, So, you know,
• 52:38
  Speaker 11: when Nancy Pelosi said we need to pass a law
• 52:41
  Speaker 11: to find out what's in it, Well.
• 52:43
  Speaker 9: They didn't know what was in it.
• 52:44
  Speaker 11: So when you look at the sixteenth anniversary, what is it?
• 52:48
  Speaker 11: What's it achieved? Like, what's its legacy? We have double
• 52:52
  Speaker 11: the rates of premiums. You can thank Obamacare for that.
• 52:56
  Speaker 11: We have double the deductibles, you can thank Obamacare for that.
• 53:00
  Speaker 11: And compare that to the CPI over the same time,
• 53:03
  Speaker 11: it's double that. So fifty percent increase in the CPI,
• 53:06
  Speaker 11: one hundred percent increase in premiums, one hundred percent increase
• 53:10
  Speaker 11: in deductibles. For now, they promised essential health benefits, they
• 53:15
  Speaker 11: said everybody has to buy these really comprehensive plans.
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: More than half of people never.
• 53:21
  Speaker 11: Even meet their deductibles because the deductibles are so high.
• 53:25
  Speaker 11: That is absolutely the legacy of Obamacare, and it's shameful.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Well that is in the high deductibles are because they
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: got to figure out some way to pay for everything
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: that they promised. And this is largely a very common
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: problem across all the public policy doesn't really have anything
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: to do specifically with healthcare. But when people come you know,
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: they're running for office, they run on ideas and they say, well,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: we're going to do this and this and this and
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: this without actual plans, and then once they're elected, now
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: we got to do it. And I'm sorry, but the
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: left as a real problem. They can't work on just simple,
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: clean ideas by themselves. They've always got a pack stuff
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: full of pork. They've always got to, you know, pull
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: in some sort of corruption. You know, you had the
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: insurance companies who were really threatened if Obamacare had worked,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: they really would have been threatening to put private insurance
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: companies out of business. What do they do They go
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: and make friends with big insurance and so all of
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: a sudden, now you've got everybody twice as corrupt as
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: what it was before, all working under kind of false
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: pretenses that this can be done on next to nothing
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: in terms of cost. And at the end of the day,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: who's getting pinched and pushed and you know, scrubbed down
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: to the very last nickel, the American consumer, the American patient.
• 54:43
  Speaker 9: That's absolutely right.
• 54:45
  Speaker 11: And you know, I do think the President Trump, if
• 54:48
  Speaker 11: you pare it down to very basic things. He has
• 54:51
  Speaker 11: focused in healthcare on transparency, So transparency from hospitals, transparency
• 54:57
  Speaker 11: from insurance, insurance companies. You know before when we look
• 55:02
  Speaker 11: at the Great Healthcare Plan and think about this. For
• 55:05
  Speaker 11: drug prices, for years, Americans were being charged more until
• 55:09
  Speaker 11: he said, you have to get something done about this.
• 55:13
  Speaker 11: Within a few months, he got the he got the
• 55:16
  Speaker 11: pharmaceutical companies admitting, yeah, we were charging more just.
• 55:19
  Speaker 9: Because we knew you could pay. And he said stop
• 55:22
  Speaker 9: it and they did.
• 55:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah, he's very he's not trying to boil the ocean
• 55:27
  Speaker 11: with this, but he's taking very important, very deliberate and
• 55:31
  Speaker 11: targeted steps. But the theme really to me is transparency
• 55:34
  Speaker 11: and whether that's an information or whether that's having Bobby
• 55:37
  Speaker 11: Kennedy with a nutrition plan that's about whole foods and
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: getting rid of chemicals.
• 55:43
  Speaker 9: It's a very clean agenda.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: I want to stay on Obamacare for a second because
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I think that a lot of people hearing us, especially
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: if you live in a big blue city Chicago, New York, Detroit, DC,
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: you know places where this this bill really carried away.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I would say with the electorate, I still don't think
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: they understand a lot of people don't understand what went wrong,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: how it got changed, what they did differently than what
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: they campaigned on in terms of how they processed it.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: Can you walk us through not the minute detail, but
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: in general the concepts and kind of why they fell
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: apart once the free market had a shot at it.
• 56:25
  Speaker 11: So I think some of it is specific pieces of
• 56:29
  Speaker 11: the law. They said, we're going to get rid of
• 56:33
  Speaker 11: risk pooling, like the way they you traditionally look at insurance.
• 56:38
  Speaker 11: But you know what, here's the problem. If you squeeze
• 56:41
  Speaker 11: one side of a balloon, it just pops out on
• 56:43
  Speaker 11: the other right, So they said, we have to offer
• 56:46
  Speaker 11: insurance to everybody. We're not even going to look at risk.
• 56:48
  Speaker 11: And people think, well, that's great, but there's a trade off.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: For they have to say they can't look at risk
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: because they're running around campaigning on we're going to make
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: sure everybody gets covered. So while it wasn't like a
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: universal plan per se to give universal health care to everybody,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: it in essence was a huge, ginormous step in that direction,
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: but without the hardcore backing of a tax plan to
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: go with it exactly.
• 57:17
  Speaker 11: And so their success actually was not an expanding care
• 57:22
  Speaker 11: in the private market. They gained Almost all of their
• 57:25
  Speaker 11: gains are an expanding Medicaid. An extra twenty million people,
• 57:30
  Speaker 11: most of whom are healthy, able bodied, wouldn't have been
• 57:34
  Speaker 11: eligible in the past. Medicaid has a role. I grew
• 57:38
  Speaker 11: up poor. I was on Medicaid when I was a kid.
• 57:41
  Speaker 11: Being poor when you're a kid means you work really
• 57:44
  Speaker 11: hard to not be poor when you're an adult. That
• 57:47
  Speaker 11: is the greatness of this country is that you have
• 57:50
  Speaker 11: that opportunity. They expanded to Medicaid to healthy people overwhelmingly.
• 57:56
  Speaker 11: That is the success of the ACA is a bunch
• 57:59
  Speaker 11: of healthy people.
• 58:00
  Speaker 9: Now are on insurance through Medicaid.
• 58:02
  Speaker 11: The government plan in terms of the private sector, what
• 58:05
  Speaker 11: it did incredibly narrow networks. If you, god forbid, got
• 58:09
  Speaker 11: cancer and you were on Obamacare, there weren't any cancer
• 58:13
  Speaker 11: networks that were going to be in your network. You
• 58:15
  Speaker 11: weren't going to have access. They've been getting called out
• 58:19
  Speaker 11: on this more recently, but the reality is their success,
• 58:24
  Speaker 11: which was the plan all along, was to try to
• 58:27
  Speaker 11: expand government healthcare to put the candle's nodos under the tent.
• 58:31
  Speaker 11: The expansion of Medicaid really was the first piece, and
• 58:35
  Speaker 11: that is why they keep pushing for this. They want
• 58:38
  Speaker 11: a government plan because government's so great at running things right.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: Well, had they ran into a number of buzzsaws, the
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: first and one of which was that the mandate was
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: just patently non constitutional. So you can't make people buy
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: things that they don't want to buy. I don't have
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: to buy car insurance if I don't want to own
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: a car. I shouldn't be forced to pay for pregnancy
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: as a mail, which my Obamacare plan, had I had one,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: would have required coverage for And it doesn't make any sense.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: It's those types of you know, non sequiturs that people think, well,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: this is this is some of the weirdest stuff I've
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: ever seen, and to know that they were doing it
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: with our tax dollars. But once the mandate was kind
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: of peeled off, I think doctor Johannan and a lot
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: of people thought, well, that's the end of Obamacare. In reality,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: what happened once the mandate ended, Well.
• 59:31
  Speaker 11: They also had elements of Obamacare that basically were about
• 59:36
  Speaker 11: what you could have profits in and insurance companies because
• 59:39
  Speaker 11: they got into bed with insurance companies. But then they
• 59:42
  Speaker 11: wanted to play foots. It's very it gets if.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: You're trying to tell the consumer that you campaigned on
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: that these insurance companies are the devil. Right now you're
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: going and making peace with them and doing deals behind
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: the voters back.
• 59:57
  Speaker 11: Those deals are in Obamacare. There's a a concept called
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 11: the medical loss ratio, which was the idea is, let's
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 11: limit the profits the insurance companies can have. You can
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 11: draw a direct line to premiums going up, you can
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 11: draw a direct line to the increase in deductibles. And
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 11: anybody who says, well there are other things, I'll give
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 11: you ten percent for the other things. This is really
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 11: about what is in the text of Obamacare. Overwhelmingly this
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 11: combination of increases in premiums, increases in deductibles. And to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 11: your point, I have a twenty two year old son.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 11: He does not need to buy pregnancy care. He does
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 11: not need a comprehensive plan and the streamline plans that
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 11: he might have been able to buy because he doesn't
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 11: have the same medical needs that I do. He's not
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 11: even allowed to get those kinds of plans now. So
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 11: basically what Obamacare did, if your insurance premiums went up,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 11: Thanks Obama, because that was the plan working as intended.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 11: But the real goal is let's try to gouge private
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 11: insurance and not that we can force people into a
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 11: public fan.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: They want to bankrupt the private option. That's exactly, yes,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: what they were on their way to do. We're speaking
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: with doctor Moniqi Ohannon. She's a senior fellow at the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: Independent Women's Forum, but private practice for many years also
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: dealt heavily with aging and senior care, and she knows
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: those issues very very well. We've got a lot yet
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: to talk about. She made mention of how transparency is
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: increasingly one of the eras that can be and should
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: be addressed. We're going to go into detail on that
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: as we come back from this break.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: I'm going alet's stick around for more of that.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Kevin next here he is from New York. That n
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kevin mccallaugh. Glad to have you with us.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: You know, on Wednesdays we like to take a look
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: at what's going on in the wellness space, and sometimes
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: it's public policy, a lot of times it's just practical
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: things how we can be healthier ourselves. I actually read
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: something doctor moniquejohn in this week that I tried to
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: put into practice, and it came from Instagram, of all things.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: But I was scrolling through the feed and there was
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: this headline that said, having trouble sleeping at night, try
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: the one pm caffeine cut off, where you just don't
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: do any diet coke or coffee or anything after one pm,
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: because I guess caffeine can stain your system five to
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: six maybe eight hours. And I've been doing it this week,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: no caffeine basically after lunch, and I've had two or
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: three nights of great sleep. So it's like, Okay, I see,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I need these chats too. This is how it helps.
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: We were talking in the last segment about the Affordable
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: Care Act passed its sixteenth You know, since it's been well,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: remember what the VP said to the President as he
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: was signing it on the open mic. This is a
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: big effing deal. He said that. The whole nation heard
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: him say that, And You're like, how could it be.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi doesn't even know what's in it. But at
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, a lot of people thought
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: when he signed the bill that day that it was
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: going to change healthcare and cure all the ills that
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: the American people have had. You did a really good
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: job in the first segment of kind of identifying how
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: it hasn't. But when it comes to solutions and the
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: more I talk to professionals, particularly in the health fields,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: this issue comes up at every level. Pediatric care, emergency care,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: hospital care, all all kinds of different ways that people
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: access what they need. Transparency, transparency, transparency. You've done an
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: op ed on this. I guess there's some people that
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: think it's the government trying to tell the private sector
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: what to do. You actually argue the opposite.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 11: Well, I think transparency is such at the core of
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 11: what President Trump has worked to accomplish, both in his
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 11: first term and now. When you look at transparency the
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 11: insurance companies and the hospitals, they say, well, we need
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 11: to have private, secret contracts and so we can't tell
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 11: you what things cost.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 9: Now, think about that as a consumer.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 11: You work so hard for your money and then you
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 11: have to schedule a procedure and you have no idea
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 11: what it's going to cost you at the end of
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 11: the day. How difficult should be? Why should we need
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 11: laws and rules for this? And we need them because
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 11: they basically say.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 9: No, this is government overreached.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 11: No, Actually the law is really clear on this. The
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 11: people who sponsor health plans, employers, those kinds of plan sponsors,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 11: there's information they need. So when an insurance company says
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 11: we're not going to give you this information, that's not
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 11: the government pushing things by saying no, you need to.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 9: That's actually enforcing the law.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 11: That's giving employers the information they need to act as
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 11: good stewards on behalf of their employees.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Well, there doesn't seem to be any rational rhyme or
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: reason for what the pricing is, doctor Johan, And how
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: do we fix that? Transparency will help, But if they're
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: still going to say, well, we're still going to do
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: it this way, even if we show you the details,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: I might request the cheaper procedure. But that doesn't seem
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: right to me.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 9: Well, I think that you're right. It is completely wrong.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 9: And so there are.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 11: Laws that President Trump sign in a book into law
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 11: in his first term that have still not been enforced.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 11: And then there's a law that I think is really essential.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 11: So let me mention the first term first, which is
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 11: the No Surprises Act. But the consumer piece that was
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 11: really the most important is called Advanced Explanation of Benefits
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 11: Super Controversy I'm going to say, you should when you're
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 11: scheduling a procedure, be able to get a good faith
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 11: estimate about what it's going to cost that based on
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 11: your deductible, based on all of the other factors, how
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 11: much am I going to owe at the end of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 11: the day, what's the negotiated rate, all of that information.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 11: That is something President Trump signed into law in December
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 11: twenty twenty. It's now six years after the fact. The
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 11: Biden administration just said, oh, this is too hard, we
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 11: can't do this. So I think this is one thing
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 11: the Trump administration is working on, but they are dealing
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 11: with four years of the Biden administration dragging their heels.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 11: But I think to exactly your point, there is a
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 11: bill that's a bipartisan bill that was introduced last July
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 11: in Congress, the Marshall hicken Looper Act, which the idea
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 11: of this is that you should be able to know
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 11: the price of a service wherever it is, whether it's
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 11: a hospital, whether it's a freestanding clinic. And beyond that,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 11: that insurance company is that they need to give you
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 11: an itemized claim for the employers so that they can
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 11: do on its Because if we've learned anything. You just
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 11: can't trust these people to be good actors.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Right. You just use the term negotiated price, and that
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: to me immediately raises a red flag because there should
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: not be such a thing. The price for a procedure
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: should be based on the costs of what it is
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: to have that equipment run, it, operate, it, do it,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: to have the doctor there for his or her rate
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: for that time, and that should be the price. And
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if my insurance company is paying for
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: it or if I'm paying for it out of pocket.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: The reason that insurance companies are paying different prices is
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: because we've fed the beast and they have all of
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: this power. But that's just hurting us in return. And
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: it's just one of those things where I think if
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: the average American just stopped for a second and paid attention,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: listened a little more, said well what does that mean,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: asked more questions, we we would we would be shocked
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: at how badly we've been being ripped off uh in
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: all of this for quite some time. But we we
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: need legislation to help straighten it out, and then we
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: need to be really good consumers ourselves when we come back.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Are there areas that the Trump administration is making headway
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: on and where do we still need to go even
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: before this year's midterms. Let's talk about that. Doctor moniqu
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Johanna is back with us. Always a pleasure to have
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: her here, if we'll come right back here.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: He is from New York. Fact Kevin Kevin McCullough.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Welcome back, Kevin mcpellagu. I have you with us. It's
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: that Kevin Show, and on Wednesdays we do talk more
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: wellness and health related issues. Doctor Monic Johannon is a
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: senior fellow at the Independent Women's Forum. That group is
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: doing great work all across the board. That's why we
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: talk to him every week. Love what they're about, just
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: helping women. And I've got two of them in my house,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: so I'm kind of partial to, you know, the idea
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: that they're out there. Men's lives are made better when
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: we when we help women, so we should naturally want
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: to do that. Dude's let's do it anyway. Doctor Johannan,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: thanks for being here again. Always a pleasure to have you.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: The idea that we've had all these problems the sixteenth
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: commemoration of Obamacare transparency certainly something that is needed in
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: the pricing structures, just one of the areas where that's exhibited.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: The President has come in and tried to make some headway.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: What has he done a good job on, what has
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: he been unable to get to that he would like to,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: and what is what is conceivably workable between now and November.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 11: Well, the Republicans have led legislation on so for example,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 11: in February, we finally got some updates to pharmacy benefit managers.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 11: When we think about one of the big costs that
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 11: we directly deal with, it is drug costs, and there
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 11: are these middlemen, these pharmacy benefit managers, who have again
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 11: not been good stewards of our dollars, and they're.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 9: Part of why drugs are so expensive.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 11: And so really the Republicans in Congress, led by the administration,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 11: we're able to pass some legislation that speaks to them
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 11: actually giving transparency again about how much they're skimming off
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 11: the top. Because every dollar they're skimming off the top,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 11: that's an extra dollar you as a consumer are paying.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and we should get back absolutely.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 11: And so the other part of that is that that
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 11: legislation only went so far. So he has advised the
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 11: Department of Labor to push for even more information coming
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 11: out again trying to deal with the fact that right
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 11: now we have a system that really benefits middleman very much,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 11: but it's very much also to the exclusion to the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 11: harm of consumers. So I think it's he also when
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 11: you look at this, he had a transparency and coverage
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 11: rule that he had passed in the first administration. Well
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 11: in December he updated this to say, you guys, you
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 11: didn't really comply with this. You as insurance companies, you
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 11: just dumped a bunch of information and duplicate files and
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 11: you tried to bury the details. So he really pushed
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 11: for this new rule to be updated to say, try again,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 11: you're really going to have to give us the real information.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 11: So the transparency and coverage with insurance companies, and then
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 11: dealing with these middlemen with this new rule through the
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 11: Department of Labor that's aimed at pharmacy benefit managers. I
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 11: think again it gets to this theme that through the administration,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 11: transparency in what we eat, transparency in what we pay for,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 11: transparency in what middlemen are skimming. All of that is
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 11: just really to me, the heart of what he's doing.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Is there any thing granular outside of the transparency issue
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: that either the companies themselves or legislation could address to
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: help the consumer, because I'm just curious if I mean transparency. Look,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Sunlight does a great job of exposing all of the problems,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: but are all of the fixes taken care of because
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: we see all the problems or are there mechanical things
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: that you would suggest?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 11: Well, I do think that we need to take another
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 11: look at some of what I would call the indemnity plans. So,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 11: thinking again of my twenty two year old son, he
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 11: should not be in a position where the plan that
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 11: he gets he has to pay for maternity coverage. He
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 11: only needs coverage for something like if he breaks a leg.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 11: So I would love for us to think about can
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 11: we have ways to offer more streamlined plans, because you
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 11: know what else, my son is great at. He's fine
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 11: with going online to get a bunch of his care,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 11: with reaching out and using technology in a smart way.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 11: To really not expect the twenty two year olds to
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 11: subsidize to have these plans that are not useful to them.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 11: I think that tens of millions of people could actually
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 11: be on much more efficient, much more affordable plans. There
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 11: are ways to do that within current laws. So I
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 11: would love for us to get away from this Obamacare
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 11: fiction of making everybody pay for these really broad plans
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 11: that frankly, they're not even hitting their deductibles anyway, it's
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 11: not like they get access to them.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 9: That's a start.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 11: And I do think that what President Trump has done
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 11: with the most Favored Nation pricing for.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 9: Drugs the tip of the.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: Iceberg, but did not have a pleasant conversation about it.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: And he was like, you might have to pay a
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: little more, and mister mccron was like, well, we don't
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: want to pay anymore, and he goes, too bad, you
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: have to do exactly. But they've been ripping us off.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: The European countries in particular, have been ripping us off
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: on drug production costs for two reasons. Presidents didn't do anything,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: and the companies set it up that way so that
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: they had the favored treatment.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 11: That's absolutely right, and so I think you know what
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 11: we saw this Trump our X just rolled out in January.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 11: But we're going to see more and more drugs that.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 9: Are impacted by this.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 11: And I think you see, for example, the gop one drugs,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 11: those are one thousand dollars less than.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 9: They were even just a year ago.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 11: That's a market force, and when you look at this,
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  Speaker 11: there are a lot of things that directly impact consumers.
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  Speaker 11: I'd love to see more direct to consumer care, so
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  Speaker 11: to the extent that I don't think it's a great
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  Speaker 11: idea to pay four thousand dollars to get your MRI
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  Speaker 11: in the hospital when you can get it for four
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  Speaker 11: hundred dollars in a freestanding clinic. That's what I think
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  Speaker 11: of in terms of pricing. I want consumers to get
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  Speaker 11: the information because the market, to me, is what's going
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  Speaker 11: to discipline this. I think we do need legislation and
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  Speaker 11: technology to market. And you're right, technology a market and
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  Speaker 11: consumers are smart. If you give them the information, they
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  Speaker 11: will make wise choices.
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  Speaker 2: I am a little amazed at how much my Apple
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: watch and phone can now measure about my health day
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  Speaker 2: to day. Combine that with a zoom call to a
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  Speaker 2: doctor and a few other things. You know, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of reasons why I don't need to go to
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  Speaker 2: the doctor's brick and mortar office anymore. There's still may
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  Speaker 2: be reasons why I need to have an in person
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  Speaker 2: visit to look at something very serious and there's no
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  Speaker 2: other way to actually examine it. But that's so little
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  Speaker 2: of the necessary things, and we can we can find
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  Speaker 2: those efficiencies, and American markets have always been really good
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  Speaker 2: at finding those efficiencies. That's how we've thrived in the past.
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  Speaker 2: We just don't seem to be applying the most efficient
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  Speaker 2: thought processes to how to solve this problem. And that's frustrating.
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  Speaker 2: But I appreciate what you're doing, Doctor MONIKIOH. Hannon, Thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Kevin, Kevin mckellough coming right back from New York.
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  Speaker 1: Don't go way, Kevin. Let's stick around for more of
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  Speaker 1: than Kevin.
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  Speaker 4: Next serving it up with a no drink minimum.
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  Speaker 2: It's that Kevin Show eight five, five, nine oh seven
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  Speaker 2: four six seven three. If you give a gift today
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  Speaker 2: through that phone number, it's going to be matched if
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: you give it in the next hour. Because we've had
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  Speaker 2: a very generous person, friend of Food for the Poor,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: friend of that Kevin Show, that has stepped up and said, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I just want to encourage everyone that's listening to do
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  Speaker 2: what they can and if they can do a little bit,
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  Speaker 2: I can do a little bit. And between the power
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  Speaker 2: of all of us doing a little bit together. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to turn into something that's rather remarkable, and Paul,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: I just want to Paul Jacobs is back with this also,
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  Speaker 2: Danny Patino from the International Headquarters for Food for the
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  Speaker 2: Poor down in Florida joining us via satellite. I guess
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  Speaker 2: it's a very fancy technology we have around these parts.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, gentlemen, I just wanted to remind people of
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  Speaker 2: that because there is an opportunity to do something kind
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  Speaker 2: of special here. It's a maximum good that the most
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  Speaker 2: number of kids can be helped and if they take
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  Speaker 2: advantage of it right now, I mean doubling the impact
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  Speaker 2: of what we're trying to do.
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  Speaker 12: You can join. Brad from Sanger, Texas. Brad went online
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  Speaker 12: to that kevinshow dot com and click the give Life banner.
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  Speaker 12: Gave three hundred dollars and just like that, there are
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  Speaker 12: eight children. Because there's eight children that will eat every
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  Speaker 12: single day. That means eight children will have food every
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  Speaker 12: single day, twice a day for an entire year and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 12: have access to water. Carra Lee from Port Archard, Washington
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  Speaker 12: one hundred and fifty dollars. Marry from Sale, Washington one
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  Speaker 12: hundred and seventy five dollars and Kevin from Carrollton, Texas
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  Speaker 12: one hundred and fifty dollars gift all of them calling
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  Speaker 12: toll free eight five, five, nine zero, seven four six
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  Speaker 12: seven three giving the Food for the Poor for the
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  Speaker 12: very first time. Welcome aboard. It's so great to have
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  Speaker 12: listeners like this to say that are saying yes to children.
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  Speaker 12: They may never meet this side of heaven, but they'll
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  Speaker 12: know the impact that they'll make because God will respond
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  Speaker 12: miraculously through the work of our ministry partners on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: It's so special, and this is one of the reason
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: why I tell people about Food for the Poor, and
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: I talk about it when we're not on the air.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: I talk about it to people that I just run
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  Speaker 2: into in places and I'm like, oh, are you you're
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: interested in doing good? Have you heard about Food for
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: the Poor? I have all kinds of conversations like that,
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  Speaker 2: But some of them come about because they're like, well,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: how do you know that it gets where it needs
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  Speaker 2: to go? And I'm able to say because I've been
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  Speaker 2: there first of all, I've seen it with my own eyes.
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  Speaker 2: Food for the Poor has taken those of us that
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: have advocated for them into these neighborhoods, into these feeding centers.
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  Speaker 2: One of the most exhausting mornings I've ever spent was
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: trying to to stir some some beans cooking in a
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: pot and then filling trays and plates full of rice
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: and beans throughout the morning. And what a joyous pouring
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  Speaker 2: out of my heart that morning. It was because every
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: kid that came through, thank you mister, Like they just
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  Speaker 2: were so you know, enthusiastically grateful. And I have to say,
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  Speaker 2: Danny Patino, the same thing goes for the water filtration systems.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: When a water system gets put into a village, it
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  Speaker 2: is like somebody you know, lit the Christmas tree and
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: saying the Carol's in Santa came, Like it's it is
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: that joyous of an occasion to have one of these.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: And it's usually put in like a cinderblock building, so
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  Speaker 2: it's kind of, you know, insulated from the weather. But
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: these things are like they're like magic, and kids getting
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: clean drinking water for the first time in their life
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  Speaker 2: and they just think it's the most wonderful thing.
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  Speaker 6: Well, you said, miracle.
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  Speaker 1: Magic. It is.
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  Speaker 13: Because I spoke to a father in Lasada Badod and
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  Speaker 13: jose told me about it is going twenty years in
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  Speaker 13: the future. That's what That's what he described to me.
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  Speaker 13: Because now he doesn't have to travel for water. He
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  Speaker 13: doesn't have to bring water from a pond that's going
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 13: to make him sick. He's a guaranteed every time we
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 13: get water from there, we get sick.
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  Speaker 1: And now he has home.
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  Speaker 13: He has water running through to his home, so he
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  Speaker 13: doesn't have to travel. He said, an a normy with
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 13: trouble about thirty minutes going and coming back. So that's
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  Speaker 13: an hour a day, and they're going to make that
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 13: trip three times a day. Now they have water in
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  Speaker 13: their home, they have dignity, they have a bathroom that
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  Speaker 13: can use, They don't have to leave their home. They
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  Speaker 13: have enough water to provide not only health, but they're
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  Speaker 13: stepping away.
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  Speaker 1: From that that sickness.
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  Speaker 13: That that that dirty pod, that we're getting water from it,
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  Speaker 13: it's that is a marakle on.
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  Speaker 2: It's on well friends, here's the thing. The phone number
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  Speaker 2: is eight five five nine oh seven four six seven,
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  Speaker 2: three seventy five dollars gives a child food for a year,
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  Speaker 2: two meals per day and water for the foreseeable future.
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  Speaker 2: Eight five five nine oh seven four sixty seven three.
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  Speaker 2: Be generous when you call. It's gonna be matched. We're
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: going to do twice as much good. But please make
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: that call.