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SICK CONSPIRACIES: TEXAS TWIN AUSTIN METCALF FOOTBALL STAR STABBED DEAD AT HS TRACK MEET · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Sick conspiracies growing abounding on the Internet after Texas twin
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  Speaker 2: Austin Metcalf football star stabbed dead at his high school
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  Speaker 2: track meet. I'm Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Austin Medcalf is a seventeen year old straight a student
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  Speaker 3: and football star at Frisco Memorial High School. But what
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  Speaker 3: is supposed to start out as an ordinary track of
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  Speaker 3: year ends in tragedy for the prodigious athlete.
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  Speaker 2: Two twin brothers scrubbed in sunshine. One bleeds out dead
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  Speaker 2: in the arms of his twin brother as we go
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  Speaker 2: to air tonight. What I perceive to be an outrageous defense.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, listen to this well.
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  Speaker 4: His brother was holding him, trying to hold the blood in,
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  Speaker 4: and he passed. My son watched his brother die in
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  Speaker 4: his arms.
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  Speaker 5: During a track meet between Memorial High School and Centennial
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  Speaker 5: High School in Frisco, Texas, a light rain begins to
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  Speaker 5: fall and athletes take cover under tents with their respective
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  Speaker 5: teams at Kukendall Stadium. Memorial High School athlete Austin Metcalf
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  Speaker 5: finds Centennial High School athlete Carmelo Anthony under the Memorial
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  Speaker 5: High School tent and tells him he needs to move
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  Speaker 5: from under his team's tent. When Anthony refuses, words are
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  Speaker 5: exchanged and Anthony tells Metcalf, touch me and see what happens.
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  Speaker 2: He first heard from the victim's father that from our
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  Speaker 2: friends at Fox four joining us an all star panel
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  Speaker 2: to make sense of.
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  Speaker 1: A senseless and brutal stabbing.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot get the image out of my mind of
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  Speaker 2: this star athlete bleeding out dead as his twin brother
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  Speaker 2: tried to stop the bleeding, holding him in his arms.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've been to plenty of high school track events,
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  Speaker 2: my son has been involved in track from the get go,
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  Speaker 2: and I can't even imagine a fatal stabbing over a
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  Speaker 2: seat in a tent straight out to special guests joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Katie Barber, Senior digital content producer at my San Antonio
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  Speaker 2: dot Com.
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  Speaker 1: Katie, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: What do we believe happened that led up to the
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  Speaker 2: horrible stabbing death of this young star athlete? Literally scrubbed
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  Speaker 2: and sunshine? And why did the suspect have a knife
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  Speaker 2: at a track meet?
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  Speaker 6: It's really not clear why he had a knife at
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  Speaker 6: the track meet on April second, but unfortunately he did.
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  Speaker 7: One witness told police that they.
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  Speaker 6: Were sitting with Metcalf under their school tent when some
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  Speaker 6: they didn't know now identified as Carmelo Anthony came over
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  Speaker 6: to them, and he is allegedly when I grabbed the
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  Speaker 6: bag when he was confronted and reached inside and said,
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  Speaker 6: touch me and see what happens.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, what wait?
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  Speaker 2: Hold on, Katie Barbara joining me from my San Antonio
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  Speaker 2: dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Who said what? Who sat down where? Who said what?
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  Speaker 1: And who said touch me and see what happens? Give
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  Speaker 1: me proper names.
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  Speaker 6: One witness told an officer that they were sitting with
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  Speaker 6: Metcalf under the school's tent when Carmelo Anthony came over
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  Speaker 6: to them. While they were in the tent, The witness said,
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  Speaker 6: Metcalf told Anthony to leave the tent, and when he
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  Speaker 6: did that, Anthony grabbed his bag, opened it, reached inside
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  Speaker 6: and said touch me and see what happens. And then
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  Speaker 6: police said in the doctor that no one believed that
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  Speaker 6: they he had a weapon at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Well, somebody had a weapon because Austin stabbed dead to
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  Speaker 2: Lisa Herrick, joining US veteran Jevenile attorney partner at Vargie Somerset.
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  Speaker 1: This is important.
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  Speaker 2: Former juvenile prosecutor, Lisa, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 8: Thank Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: That's enough time to form premeditation right there now. I
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  Speaker 2: know that you defend juveniles after having been a juvenile prosecutor,
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  Speaker 2: But the reality is, under the black and white letter
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  Speaker 2: of the law, okay, premeditation, the intent to kill, or
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  Speaker 2: the intent to commit any act can be formed in
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  Speaker 2: the blink of an eye, the twinkling of a moment,
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  Speaker 2: the time it takes you to raise the gun and
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  Speaker 2: pull the trigger. The law does not require a long
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  Speaker 2: drawn out period for a premeditation or planning.
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  Speaker 1: Mensrea Malissa forethought.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, say long drawn out period, I'm poisoning someone
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  Speaker 2: every single day, just a tiny bit of arsenic and
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  Speaker 2: then they die. It can be formed just like that.
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  Speaker 1: Why do I care?
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  Speaker 2: Because premeditation or Malisa fourth thought, mince raya is a
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  Speaker 2: key factor, the critical ingredient in a murder one prosecution,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely?
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  Speaker 9: Intent is one of the main elements of a murder
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  Speaker 9: or an assault, an aggravated assault with a deadly weapon
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  Speaker 9: that turns into a murder. Because in Texas. We have
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  Speaker 9: a number of different ways that murder can be committed,
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  Speaker 9: or the language for a murder can be alleged, one
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  Speaker 9: of which can be that you intend for a person
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  Speaker 9: to die, but another can be that your actions, your
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  Speaker 9: intentional or knowing actions, are such that you would know
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  Speaker 9: that a person would die. So stabbing someone in the heart,
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  Speaker 9: you would certainly know that a person would die if
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  Speaker 9: you stab someone in the heart, and that knowledge or
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  Speaker 9: that intent, like you said.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, Lisa, Harriet joining me veteran, try a lawyer.
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  Speaker 1: Lisa, You're absolutely correct.
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  Speaker 2: And I've got a great example, because when I speak
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  Speaker 2: to juries very often or really, anybody can't tell I
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  Speaker 2: can't state that this was my idea. I got it
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  Speaker 2: from someone in the New Testament. I like to give examples, Okay, stories.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, if I take a gun and point it
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  Speaker 2: right over at my executive producer right here, Jackie, and
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  Speaker 2: pull the trigger and then say, oh, I just meant
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  Speaker 2: to scare her. I didn't mean to kill her. The
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  Speaker 2: law presumes you intend the natural consequence of your act.
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  Speaker 2: You don't have to say I will now kill you, bam.
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  Speaker 2: The law presumes you intend.
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  Speaker 1: The natural consequence of your act.
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  Speaker 2: So when you take the time to go to your
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  Speaker 2: duffel bag, your athletic bag, unzip it, get out a knife,
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  Speaker 2: and then stab someone. And then we have the previous
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  Speaker 2: threat touch me, touch me, and see what's.
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  Speaker 1: Going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: All of that adds together to make a premeditated murder case.
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  Speaker 2: Now you have not only prosecuted jeevenile cases felonies, which
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  Speaker 2: is a whole other animal prosecuting injevenile court, GV Court
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  Speaker 2: versus big court. What's your defense in this case, Lisa?
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  Speaker 2: What would your defense possibly be? Is it true that
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  Speaker 2: a stand your ground defense is brewing?
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  Speaker 1: How can that percolate? That didn't happen?
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  Speaker 9: A standard ground defense is hard in this fact situation
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  Speaker 9: because stand your ground law presumes that the victim is
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  Speaker 9: somewhere that they are not supposed to be. Right, you're
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  Speaker 9: defending your space when standard ground law applies. And certainly
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  Speaker 9: Austin was in a place where he was allowed to be.
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  Speaker 9: Now I think Carmelo probably was allowed to be where
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  Speaker 9: he was as well. It's a public place right. But
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  Speaker 9: in order to claim standard ground and in order to
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  Speaker 9: use that as your defense, you have to be defending
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  Speaker 9: your space and so I know Carmelo saying that Austin
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  Speaker 9: put hands on him. But deadly force is self defense
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  Speaker 9: theory that is supposed to be used. Deadly force meets
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  Speaker 9: deadly force. The self defense is not ka.
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  Speaker 2: Lisa, again, you're absolutely correct regarding the letter of the law.
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  Speaker 2: I like to use this example. You can't slap me
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  Speaker 2: and then I shoot you down with an oozy okay.
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  Speaker 2: As for instance, I can't battle back against your fly
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  Speaker 2: swatter with a machine gun. So you said it deadly
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  Speaker 2: force equals deadly force. But here isn't it true that
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  Speaker 2: Austin Metcalf was unarmed, So to introduce a deadly weapon
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  Speaker 2: that's deadly force versus no force.
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  Speaker 1: Correct?
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  Speaker 9: And even more so self defense without a deadly weapon.
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  Speaker 9: Regular self defense is not a justifiable fence to use
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  Speaker 9: against words alone. The law says that words are not
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  Speaker 9: sufficient provocation to use self defense.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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  Speaker 8: Everybody was able to Seema son holy gurney with a
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  Speaker 8: huge hole and blood all over him, and they were
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  Speaker 8: pumping him.
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  Speaker 4: He wasn't breathing and his eyes would rolled back in
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  Speaker 4: his head.
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  Speaker 3: Centennial High School's Carmelo Anthony reaches inside his bag, grabs
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  Speaker 3: a knife and stabs Austin Metcalf in the chest underneath
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  Speaker 3: the memorial's high school pop up tent, and then he
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  Speaker 3: runs away as Metcalf's twin brother, Hunter comes to his
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  Speaker 3: brother's aid. Witnesses point out Anthony to a nearby middle
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  Speaker 3: school resource officer, who chases the suspect down.
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  Speaker 2: At first, you were hearing Austin's father speaking to our
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  Speaker 2: friends at Fox for the family.
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  Speaker 1: Devastated.
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  Speaker 2: I cannot even imagine what it would be like for
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  Speaker 2: the father to see this, much less the twin brother
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  Speaker 2: holding Austin in his arms trying to stop the blood.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have understood it if I didn't have twins
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  Speaker 2: of my own. They're practically joined at the hip and
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  Speaker 2: minor boy girl much less boy boy or girl girl
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  Speaker 2: that play all their sports together, that do everything together.
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  Speaker 2: Having your twin bleed out dead in your arms, let
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  Speaker 2: me go straight out to a special guest joining us.
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  Speaker 2: Also like Lisa Herrick joining us from this jurisdiction, Doctor
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  Speaker 2: Kimdall Crowns with US Chief Medical Examiner Terran County. That's
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  Speaker 2: Fort Worth never like a business in that Morgue, esteemed
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  Speaker 2: lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, Texas
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  Speaker 2: Christian University, and launching a brand new podcast, Make Him
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  Speaker 2: in the Morgue, April fourteen, Doctor Kimdall Crowns, I know
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  Speaker 2: you've studied the case very carefully. Was there a way
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  Speaker 2: his twin brother could have saved Austin?
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  Speaker 10: I know there wouldn't have been because the stab wound
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  Speaker 10: was in the heart unless he could be gotten to
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  Speaker 10: an emergency room like immediately, and they may have been
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  Speaker 10: able to save him, but more likely than not, he
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  Speaker 10: was going to die anyway. That type of injury to
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  Speaker 10: the heart, there's just really no coming back unless you're
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  Speaker 10: basically in ther when you get stabbed. Explain why, Because
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  Speaker 10: it's your heart, it's you know, it's all your blood's
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  Speaker 10: coming through there, it's all being pumped out. And then
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  Speaker 10: when you have an aw hole in your heart, it's
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  Speaker 10: bleeding into your chest cavity and you have to close
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  Speaker 10: that hole up in the heart, so you'd have to
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  Speaker 10: crack the chest open, get in there and try and
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  Speaker 10: fix the heart, and there's just so much blood loss
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  Speaker 10: because of the size of the hole. It's it's near
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  Speaker 10: impossible to save that individual. And just putting pressure on
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  Speaker 10: it at the scene. All that's going to create is
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  Speaker 10: they're just going to bleed into their chest cavity.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about what you're saying, doctor Kingdall Crowns.
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  Speaker 2: Because Katie Barber was awesome and stabbed in the heart.
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  Speaker 7: The arrest document states seem is stabbed in the chest.
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  Speaker 2: So interesting, I wonder how close to the heart he
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  Speaker 2: was stabbed.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, daughter killo Crowns.
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  Speaker 2: Let's digest that not stabbed in the heart stab in
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  Speaker 2: the chest.
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  Speaker 1: Does that make a difference in your analysis?
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  Speaker 10: So it depends on where exactly in the chest you
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  Speaker 10: go up. But if you're kind of in the midline
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  Speaker 10: or to the left, that's going to be the heart.
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  Speaker 10: You go up a little higher, it's the aorda, which
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  Speaker 10: is the main vessel coming off the heart. They're going
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  Speaker 10: to bleed out again in just a matter of minutes
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  Speaker 10: from that as well. There's no saving them at the scene.
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  Speaker 10: You go to a little to the side one way
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  Speaker 10: or another, you've punctured at the chest, punctured the lung,
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  Speaker 10: and that'll cause a collapse lung that causes a lot
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  Speaker 10: of hemorrhage. That one you may be able to save
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  Speaker 10: the person if you can get him to the.
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  Speaker 1: Hospital fast enough.
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  Speaker 10: But from all the information I've seen, it doesn't sound
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  Speaker 10: like it got stabbed in the chest in the area
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  Speaker 10: of a lung. It's more probably centralized it.
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  Speaker 6: In the heart.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, not General Crowns.
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  Speaker 2: If I were explaining this to a jury, okay, I
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  Speaker 2: would take everything that you just said and paraphrase it
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  Speaker 2: in openings and closings, and I would repeat it and
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  Speaker 2: practically every one of my questions that I asked you
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  Speaker 2: on the stand, and of course a shortened way. But
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  Speaker 2: you're saying, there's no way, twin brother Hunter could have
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  Speaker 2: saved Austin, because even if Hunter could have pushed down
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  Speaker 2: where Austin was bleeding, and so it would look like
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  Speaker 2: to the naked eye that he had stopped the bleeding,
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  Speaker 2: the bleeding would still be happening underneath the skin, and
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  Speaker 2: the blood would then be pumping straight into the lungs.
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  Speaker 2: So he would die on his own blunt and his lungs.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, there's no way he could have saved him.
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  Speaker 1: Are you sure? Do you feel confident in that?
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  Speaker 10: Yes, I feel very confident in that. If he puts
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  Speaker 10: his hand on his chest and he continues bleeding into
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  Speaker 10: his chest cavity. It's going to fill up his chest
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  Speaker 10: cavity and it's going to make it hard for him
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  Speaker 10: to breathe, and he'll basically die from the lack of oxygen.
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  Speaker 10: That actually takes longer. From the descriptions I've read from
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  Speaker 10: the scene, he kind of dies in a matter of minutes.
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  Speaker 10: To me, that sounds like a major vessel was hit
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  Speaker 10: or the heart and he was going to die no
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  Speaker 10: matter what was done.
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  Speaker 5: Seventeen year old Austin Metcalf is being held by his
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  Speaker 5: twin brother, Hunter, who is trying to stop the bleeding
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  Speaker 5: after seventeen year old Carmelo Anthony allegedly stabs Austin in
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  Speaker 5: the chest, piercing his heart. First responders arrive and take
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  Speaker 5: over treatment of Austin. As officers roundup eyewitnesses to the
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  Speaker 5: event to find out what happened. Hunter Metcalf is so
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  Speaker 5: distraught he can barely speak to police, but officers locate
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  Speaker 5: about two dozen student athletes and four coaches who witness
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  Speaker 5: the stabbing and begin taking statements.
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  Speaker 2: How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed
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  Speaker 2: twenty times, including in the back, allegedly die of suicide. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: that was a medical examiner's official ruling after a closed
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  Speaker 2: door meeting he first named it a homicide. Why what
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  Speaker 2: happened to Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice.
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  Speaker 2: For an in depth look at the facts, see what
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  Speaker 2: Center for Missing and Exploited Children.
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  Speaker 3: Witnesses report of squabble overseating at a track meet tent
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  Speaker 3: resulting in the fatal stabbing of football star Austin Metcalf.
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  Speaker 3: The suspect a fellow seventeen year old student athlete.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to Austin's brother.
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  Speaker 11: First off, I didn't know what to do, and then
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  Speaker 11: I saw my fall over there.
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  Speaker 2: The mother, Megan Metcalf, and so much pain she can't
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  Speaker 2: even stand to hear the brother Hunter describe what happened.
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  Speaker 2: That is from our friends at the Will Caine Show
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  Speaker 2: over on Fox joining me an All Star panel. To
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  Speaker 2: Kad Barber joining me from my San Antonio dot com,
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  Speaker 2: Katy explain to me the logistics of what Hunter, the
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  Speaker 2: twin brother just said.
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  Speaker 1: Where was he, what did he observe.
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  Speaker 2: And what if anything did he do when he saw
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  Speaker 2: his brother stabbed. I don't know if he saw the
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  Speaker 2: actual stabbing or saw his brother gushing blood.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Please explain.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, when arrived they immediately They said they could.
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  Speaker 6: See blood on and around him. They coordinated with officers
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  Speaker 6: to secure the area. He said that he whipped around.
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  Speaker 6: In another interview, he said he didn't see the stabbing
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  Speaker 6: take place, but he was turning around quickly and saw
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  Speaker 6: the aftermath and held him in his arms after the stabbing,
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  Speaker 6: but did not see it take place.
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  Speaker 7: He said that in an interview after the.
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  Speaker 2: Event, he says, at first he froze for just a
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  Speaker 2: moment and didn't know what to do. Then he actually
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  Speaker 2: saw brother Austin fall and ran to him and grabbed
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  Speaker 2: him and.
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  Speaker 1: Tried to stop the flow of blood. A joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory, psychologist, mediator specializing in forensic psychology, dodgre.
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  Speaker 1: Delatory, thank you for being with us. What is that
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  Speaker 1: human reaction when you freeze for just one moment?
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  Speaker 12: Well to trauma response number one. It's the idea that
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  Speaker 12: what you're seeing your brain can't interpret immediately. It's seeing,
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  Speaker 12: it's witnessing everything that's happening. But it's such a difficult
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  Speaker 12: thing for your brain to interpret because of the trauma
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  Speaker 12: associated with it. He's seeing his brother get stabbed, he's
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  Speaker 12: seeing the blood, he's seeing all of this stuff, but
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  Speaker 12: his body isn't recognizing what it needs to do because
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  Speaker 12: it doesn't know what it needs to do, because it's
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  Speaker 12: never seen anything like this before. And so he's trying
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  Speaker 12: to catch up with what his eyes are looking at.
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  Speaker 12: And because it's his brother, and because of the connection
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  Speaker 12: these two have, it becomes that much more difficult.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 12: Once he does catch up, he's able to catch his brother,
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  Speaker 12: he's able to do what he can. But he's not
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  Speaker 12: a doctor, he's not a paramedic, he's not an EMT.
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  Speaker 12: That's his brother, and the trauma of all of this
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  Speaker 12: unfolding is all so impairing his ability to do what
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  Speaker 12: it needs to do. Call the police, call for other people, right.
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  Speaker 12: A lot of the witnesses have to do those kinds
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  Speaker 12: of things because Hunter is so focused on trying to
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  Speaker 12: save his brother.
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  Speaker 1: A school resource officer, first of the sayne take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to what the suspect says.
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  Speaker 13: A school resource officer is first on the scene and
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  Speaker 13: confronts Carmelo Anthony, telling the suspect to put his hands
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  Speaker 13: up in the air. Anthony tells the officer, I was
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  Speaker 13: protecting myself, claiming metcalf quote put his hands on him.
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  Speaker 1: Anthony.
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  Speaker 13: Here's the officer saying he has the alleged stabbing suspect
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  Speaker 13: in custody, and Anthony replies, I'm not alleged I did it.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, I'm not alleged I did it.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me now in addition to our other guest, Barry Hutchinson,
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  Speaker 2: renowned law enforcement that of twenty six years detective now
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  Speaker 2: chief operator of Arry In Associates Investigative Services. Very thank
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  Speaker 2: you for being with us. Did you hear what the
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: suspect said? Keeping in mind that at this juncture the
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: suspect is innocent until proven guilty. But very earlier we
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: heard that there are about two dozen witnesses. This is
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  Speaker 2: a high school track meet, for Pete's sake, that said,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: did you hear what the suspect said? And I quote,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I was protecting myself that Austin quote put his hands
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: on me, and that would be suspect Carmelo Anthony, Austin
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: put his hands on Carmelo Anthony. According to Anthony Anthony,
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: here's the school resource officer say he has the alleged
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: stabbing suspect and responds, I'm not alleged I did it.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's a pretty damning utterance from an evidentiary value.
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  Speaker 14: And you know, he pretty much admitted to the crime
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  Speaker 14: by making that statement.
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  Speaker 2: O Kate, Barry, Barry, I know that. I just read
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: you what he said. I'm asking you what the state
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: is going to do to prove that and what the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: defense is going to do to try to get away
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: from it.
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  Speaker 14: Well, the witnesses are going to contradict what he says anyway,
• 21:15
  Speaker 14: and you know.
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  Speaker 7: There's twelve of those folks.
• 21:17
  Speaker 14: Apparently or more, and they're going to make a statement
• 21:20
  Speaker 14: that contradicts what he says. It's pretty much going to
• 21:23
  Speaker 14: outweigh what he says. The state's going to move forward
• 21:25
  Speaker 14: with prosecution. From that point. His defense is going to
• 21:29
  Speaker 14: be that it's you know what he said originally, that
• 21:32
  Speaker 14: it was self defense, that he was in fear of
• 21:34
  Speaker 14: his life, which it's going to be awful hard to
• 21:36
  Speaker 14: substantiate that, as you addressed earlier, without the threat of
• 21:39
  Speaker 14: equal violence to substantiate him using deadly.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Forced Lisa here joining me, veteran trial lawyer in this jurisdiction, Lisa,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: explain again in a nutshell what is now emerging as
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: the defense? And you know what, I haven't even gotten
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: to these sick conspiracy theories that are multi applying promulgating online.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Get to that in a moment.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: But I pray that Austin's parents have not seen what
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: is being said online. It's total bs technical legal term.
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: But Lisa, in a nutshell, in regular people talk, do
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: not throw a Latin phrase at me, Lisa, Rick and
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: I know that you can stand your ground?
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: How and the hay is that going to apply here?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: We normally think of it as, let's just say somebody
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: tries to break in your house, you don't have to run.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: You can shoot them right then and there.
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  Speaker 2: If you're so disposed standing your ground, You're in a
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: place you're supposed to be, you have authority to be there,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: and no one can make you leave. Now, explain how
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: that's going to work. In a high school track tent.
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  Speaker 9: Right, stand your ground. We commonly use the phrase no
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: duty to retreat, so it some places will, like some
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: jurisdiction will require that you attempt to remove yourself from
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: the danger. That's not the case in Texas, in Texas,
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: if you're presented with a threat, with a danger, you
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: have the right to defend yourself and stand your ground.
• 23:11
  Speaker 9: Means you don't have to try to leave the danger first.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm reading the supplemental arrest report and the narrative
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: is written by Officer Eduardo Cortes.
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  Speaker 1: Cortes states suspect was on the track at the north end.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: There was a chain link that separated officer Cortes from
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the suspect. Cortes gives the suspect instructions to keep his
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: hands in the air, and at this time suspect verbally said,
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: out loud, and this is considered a voluntary statement, quote,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: I was protecting myself.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Cortes goes on to note he had.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Not questioned the suspect about the incident, but suspect blurted
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: that out. Then stated, while walking him off the track,
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: suspects states, quote.
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  Speaker 1: He put his hands on me.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Katie Barber joining me, senior digital content producer my san
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: Antonio dot Com.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Katie.
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  Speaker 2: My understanding from having read the police reports and the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: witness statements is that the suspect goes under the other
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: size tent right the other school's tent at that point,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: Austin says, this isn't your tent, get.
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  Speaker 1: Out of here.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: At that point, at that point, what does the suspect do?
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: Police says that when he's told to move out of
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: the tent, that he grabbed his bag, opened it and
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: reached inside. And this is when he tells Austin touch
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: me and see what happens. According to police, so naturally
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: Austin touched him, Yeah, exactly. Police say that he proceeded
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: to touch Carmelo, and then Carmelo then postures and tells
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Anthony and tells Austin to punch him and see what
• 25:12
  Speaker 6: happens A short time later.
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  Speaker 2: A police don't say, so you're understanding, Katie Barber, were
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: any punches THROWNE Did Austin ever hit the suspect hit?
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  Speaker 7: It doesn't say.
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: It says he grabbed Anthony after that threat to tell
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: him to move, but it doesn't.
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: But police do not say. Witnesses did not tell police
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: that he was punched.
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: But when he was grabbed by Austin is when he
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: pulled out the knife and stabbed him once in the chest,
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: is what police say.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: A witness reported.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: A police escort Carmelo Anthony to a squad car. Anthony
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: says he put his hands on me. I told him
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: not to. Anthony also asks officers if the victim was
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: going to be okay and if what happened could be
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: considered self defense. Officer take evidence photos showing blood on
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Anthony's hands, but don't find the knife on him.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: twenty times, including in the back, allegedly die of suicide. Yes,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: that was the medical examiner's official ruling after a closed
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: door meeting. He first named it a homicide. Why what
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: happened to Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice?
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: For an in depth look at the facts, see what
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Happened to Ellen on Amazon? All proceeds to the National
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: Center for Missing and Exploited Children. How does a teen boy,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: a twin star athlete in Texas end up stabbed dead
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: at a track mate of all places?
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Listen to US's dad.
• 26:59
  Speaker 15: Great harting true up with me and him and Austin,
• 27:04
  Speaker 15: and I'm gonna come over and see you this week
• 27:06
  Speaker 15: and so call look forward to it. Hey, I love you, dad,
• 27:11
  Speaker 15: That's the love you Tucson. Those were the last words ever.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Heard from me.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: The fauthor and the twin speaking to our friends at
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Dallas Morning News. What about the blood evidence in this case?
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: With conflicting witness reports, with the suspect claiming self defenses
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: stand your ground although no punches were seen thrown, that
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: blood evidence becomes critical. Remember it was raining.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: The track meet is outside.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: Listen as law enforcement and paramedics arrive on scene. The
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: rain is falling harder. One officer moves the memorial tent
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: over the victim of medics trained to save his life,
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: and finding the bloody knife in the stands, quickly takes
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: photos of it before the rain could wash away all
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: the blood. A blue tarp is used to cover the
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: knife in an effort to preserve the evidence, and because
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: it was so windy, the officer uses a nearby backpack
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: to weigh down the tarp. He doesn't realize at the
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: time the backpack belongs to suspect Carmelo Anthony photo.
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: No juris don't want.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Just a photo, They want DNA DEYOXURII, boat and nucleic
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: acid straight out to renowned medical examiner, doctor Kendall Crowns.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Joining us from this jurisdiction of Texas. Doctor Kendall crowns
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: the murder what we believe to be the murder weapon,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: a knife covered in blood had been thrown or obscured,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: let me just say euphemistically, and it was pouring rain.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: What's the likelihood that we can get DNA off that knife?
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Because the state needs the suspects DNA and the victims
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: DNA off that knife, Well, they.
• 28:57
  Speaker 10: Should probably still be able to get DNA from it,
• 29:00
  Speaker 10: unless it was scrubbed clean with a cleanser or a
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: soap of something of that nature. There's probably still enough
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: DNA on the handle and on the knife itself to
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: be able to get a good DNA sample. Also, you
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: have to figure because of the contact between the two boys,
• 29:17
  Speaker 10: there's probably a way of getting DNA from the victim
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: as well.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Kat Barber, where exactly was the knife discovered?
• 29:24
  Speaker 7: It was discovered in.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: The bleachers on the north side of the stage at stadium,
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: which is where.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Well the hey did he get in the bleachers? Katie?
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: He ran off after the stabbing.
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: It didn't quite say a total direction, but he did
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: run off, and it's presumed that he threw the knife
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: when he ran off, because he didn't have the weapon
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: on him.
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: When he was detained.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: Right a minute, right there, Katie barbermisan Antonio dot Com
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to doctor John Delatory. If someone attacked me, and I
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: thought back, I wouldn't take off running and then hide
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: the weapon.
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: Yeah, you wouldn't. But here's the thing is that if
• 30:02
  Speaker 12: Anthony saw a bunch of other people, dozens of other
• 30:05
  Speaker 12: people that were also around and in that tent, he
• 30:09
  Speaker 12: might have felt overwhelmed. He might have felt scared. He
• 30:12
  Speaker 12: could have done all of these things just as a
• 30:14
  Speaker 12: matter of panic. So he runs off, knowing that he
• 30:18
  Speaker 12: shouldn't have stabbed this person, but he did it anyway.
• 30:21
  Speaker 12: He throws a knife away, he takes off thinking that
• 30:23
  Speaker 12: he's going to get very far. There's all kinds of
• 30:26
  Speaker 12: things that could be happening, because it does not appear
• 30:29
  Speaker 12: as though he intended to go to that track meet
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: with the specific purpose to kill Austin Metcalf. It does
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: seem like things were going on underneath that tent that
• 30:40
  Speaker 12: neither one of these two boys were prepared for, and
• 30:44
  Speaker 12: both are now suffering the consequences, with Austin having lost
• 30:47
  Speaker 12: his life for some kind of nonsense.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Lisa Herrik, you see where this is going. This state
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: is going to argue to a jury. He ran off
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: and disposed of the weapon because he knew what he'd
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: was wrong, and then immediately began forming a defense in
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: his mind and even asked law enforcement, Hey, could that
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: be self defense?
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: You think that's self defense?
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: There are a couple of things that cut in favor
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: of the self defense argument, and those are that he
• 31:17
  Speaker 9: did run away if he was scared, and he so
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: he he stabs scared.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Isn't he the one that said touch me and find out?
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Is he the one that say, go, oh, punch me,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: just see what happens. That doesn't sound scared to me.
• 31:33
  Speaker 9: I don't disagree with you, but getting into his mind
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: for a moment, and the argument that the defense is
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: going to make right, they have to come up with.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: Someone do I have to get in his mind.
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: So if he'll say I was scared, I stabbed him.
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: I felt like the danger was subdued enough that I
• 31:50
  Speaker 9: could now safely escape, then I can see how running
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: away would cut in favor of self defense. I can
• 31:57
  Speaker 9: see what you're saying.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: How running away? Okay, I don't sign up.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: You just said, have you ever heard the phrase word salad?
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Because I just heard one. Okay, wait a minute, what
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: did you say about the threat was subdued?
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: You mean he stabbed Austin in the chest? Is that
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: what you're talking about? So if the threat is subdued,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: why run then?
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: Because there were plenty of other people around who were
• 32:24
  Speaker 9: potentially new dangers, right, people who saw him.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: So now I don't know what you're saying. You're making
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: that up like a good defense attorney. What other people
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: presented a danger? Nobody?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: What are you serious?
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: Well?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I mean he he.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Stabs Austin dead, and then he is in danger of
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: what retribution?
• 32:45
  Speaker 9: People who want to hurt him now that Carmelo hurt
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: their friend was able to.
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: Seem my son on the gurney with a huge hole
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: and blow all over him, and they were pumping him.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: He wasn't breathing, His eyes would rolled back in his head.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: From our friends at Fox for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: how could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: twenty times, including in the back, allegedly die of suicide? Yes,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: that was the medical examiner's official ruling after a closed
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: door meeting. He first named it a homicide. Why what
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: happened to Ellen Greenberg? A huge American miscarriage of justice.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: For an in depth look at the facts, see what
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Happened to Ellen on Amazon. All proceeds to the National
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: Center for Missing and Exploited Children. How does a teen
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: boy literally scrubbed in sunshine, great grade, star athlete, beloved
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: twin brother.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: How does he end up stabbed dead at a high
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: school track meet.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: No one saw punches being thrown, nothing like that. The
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: suspect and the victim had never even met, according to sources.
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: Listen, and then I went my head around and then Alsodden,
• 34:25
  Speaker 11: I see him running on the bleach, gut in his chest.
• 34:28
  Speaker 11: He just bought of us are out, he said the South.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: There you see Austin's brother Hunter speaking out from our
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: friends at the Wheal Kane Show on Fox. Why ask why?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: How many times has that been said in a courtroom?
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: A million? But as you all know.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: The state is never required to show motive. Teams kill
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: for apparently no reason at all.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: Listen.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: High school Spanish teacher Noi mcgrabory is known for end
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: enjoying an afternoon walk at a park in Fairfield, Iowa.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: When she turns up missing, Retracing her steps begins in
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: the park The body is found covered by a tarp, wheelbarrow,
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: and railroad ties, and she suffered head trauma. Cops don't
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: have to look much further than incriminating social media posts
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: of two sixteen year old students, Jeremy Goodell and Willard Miller,
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: from the school where Graver teaches.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: One of the high schoolers thought they might get a
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: bad grade, and so two of.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Them go and murder the teacher. Yes, so a murder
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: over what I c minus.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Then there is another star student all A's, that commits
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: murder Derrick Rossa.
• 35:45
  Speaker 16: I need to know if your mom is is greeting,
• 35:49
  Speaker 16: She said, miss I have the gun with me.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: I was going to shoot myself that I didn't want to.
• 35:55
  Speaker 15: I have more family members.
• 35:57
  Speaker 16: They can take care of my sister.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I just take th man I told my friend about
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: it was that bad?
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: That is teen boy Derek Rosa. We still don't know
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: any motive as to why he killed his mother and
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: then sent the photo of her sleeping in bed now
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: dead to friends, then asking was that bad that I
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: killed her and sent photos to friends? So a teen
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: kills for what motive?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: None? And there's more.
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: Tristan Bailey last scene wearing her cheerleader uniform, went missing
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: on Mother's Day in Jacksonville, Florida. Surveillance video shows her
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: at one fifteen am. She's walking with a fourteen year
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: old classmate, Aidan Fucci. When police pick up Fucci for questioning,
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: he posts a photo of himself in the back of
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: a police car giving the V sign with the caption,
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: hey guys, has anybody seen Tristan lately? He also posted
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: a Snapchat video having fun in a beep cop car.
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Tristan's body is discovered in a secluded wooded area. She's
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: been stabbed one hundred and five fourteen times.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: This little girl was not raped, was not assaulted. There
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: was no robbery, So what was the motive? Apparently none
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: and more.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Jay Williams is fifteen years old. The day he and
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: sixteen year old Randy Thompson le were a fellow classmate
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: Michael Russell to his own home, where they stab him
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: multiple times in the chest, back, and neck. Russell's mother
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: returns home from running errands and finds his lifeless body
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: in the backyard. Williams and Thompson say they wanted to
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: see what it felt like to kill someone.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: Lisa Herrick joining us that are in trial lawyer in
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: this jurisdiction of Texas. So number one for Austin. Even
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: if this did happen to have touched the suspect on
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: the shoulder and said get out of our tent, that
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: is not going to justify under self defense a deadly
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: attack with a knife.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: And as far as motive.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: You just heard all of those similar cases where teens kill,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: they don't really have a motive.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: The state doesn't have to prove motive, do they. The
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: state does not have to prove motive.
• 38:06
  Speaker 9: And that's mainly because it is nearly impossible to get
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: into the mind of a charged a defendant unless they
• 38:14
  Speaker 9: tell you what they were thinking. In this case, we
• 38:18
  Speaker 9: know that Carmelo is going to claim self depends, but
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: we don't know what he was actually thinking, and so
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: the state wouldn't be able to prove a motive without
• 38:25
  Speaker 9: knowing what he was actually thinking.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: How could a beautiful, young first grade teacher be stabbed
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: twenty times, including in the back, allegedly die of suicide. Yes,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: that was a medical examiner's official ruling after a closed
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: door meeting. He first named it a homicide. Why what
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: happened to Ellen? Greenberg a huge American miscarriage of justice.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: For an in depth look at the facts, see what
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Happened to Ellen on Amazon. All proceeds to the National
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Teen boy Austin Metcalf
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: stamped dead at a high school track mate. Apparently no
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: justification for the stabbing, but at this hour, evil sick
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: conspiracy theories are promulgating online, including a fake autopsy report Katie.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Yes, the fake autopsy report that has been police have
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: warned about. Police have issued multiple warnings publicly on their
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: social media channels about false statements from the police chief
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: that have not come from him, as well as this
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: medical report that shows the primary cause of death being
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: a drug overdose with the secondary cause of death being
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: a stab wound. Police have said that that report has
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: not been released, so any sort of images purporting to
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: be the auto report are not true.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Texas Police as we go to air warning about misinformation
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: being promulgated online.
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  Speaker 1: They are also warning.
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  Speaker 2: People Katie Barber not to disseminate the false theories under
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: threat of what hampering, a hampering or handering a police investigation.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, and they've also said that people who are pretending
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: to be officials. Like propagating this information can also be
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: charged with a third degree felony of impersonating a public servant.
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: So there are charges at play, and they are investigating
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: with the FBI into these matters.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: What kind of an evil, sick person would create a
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: fake autopsy report suggesting that this boy, a star athlete,
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: died of a drug overdose. But obviously it's someone that
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: is signing with the suspect and trying to tarnish the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: reputation of a young boy, a young boy with all
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: as star athlete and beloved Twin.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Speaking of Twin, listen to his brother Hunter.
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  Speaker 16: We're just one person. We did everything the same. We're
• 41:11
  Speaker 16: just exactly a light Twighton. We had no we had
• 41:14
  Speaker 16: a couple of differences, but most of the stuff we
• 41:17
  Speaker 16: did together and the stuff we had, it's just we
• 41:19
  Speaker 16: fell as one person. So it's like we just connected
• 41:22
  Speaker 16: so well and everything we did.
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: the state is still building its case.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: The defense is starting to build their case.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Please dial nine seven two two nine two six thousand,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: repeat two nine two six one thousand.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye,