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Mega Edition: Ghislaine Maxwell And Deposition That Sealed Her Fate (Part 14-16) (4/26/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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  In this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left
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  off with the Gleainne Maxwell deposition. We left off with
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  Glenn Maxwell telling us that everything Virginia said was one
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  thousand percent false. So let's pick up from there. McCauley,
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  So let's not take the first time, let's take the
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  next time she comes. Maxwell? No, No, how can you
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  do that when the basis of this entire horrible story
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  that you have put out is based on this first
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  appalling story that was written, repeated multiplied by the press
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  that lied about her, age, lied about the first time
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  she came, lied about and characterized the entire first time.
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  I've been so absolutely appalled by her story and appalled
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  by the entire characterization of it. And I apologize sincerely
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  for my banging at the table earlier. I hope you
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  accept my apology. It's born out of years of feeling
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  the pressure of this higher lie that she has perpetrated
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  from our first time. And whilst I recognize that was
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  I hope you forgive me sincerely because it was just
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  the length of time that this terrible story has been
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  told and retold and rehashed when I know it to
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  be one hundred percent false, McCauley, So not the first
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  time that she came, but the second time she came,
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  or the third time, or any time she came. Did
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  you ever participate in a massage with her and Jeffrey
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  Epstein in Jeffrey Epstein's room, Maxwell, I have never participated
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  at any time with Virginia in a massage with Jeffrey.
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  Have you ever participated at any time with Virginia in
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  any kind of sexual contact or sexual touching with Jeffrey
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  and Virginia Maxwell, I have not, McCauley. So we're going
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  through the list of obvious lies, and you were talking
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  about the first time, which I believe we have completed.
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  But you can add to that if you need to.
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  What other obvious lies did Virginia Roberts tell that you
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  were referring to in your statements. Maxwell, Oh, my goodness, Well,
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  I think we can totally cover the redacted story, the
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  story that I flew him with redacted and there was
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  a dinner with one hundred people, and that entire thing
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  is one hundred percent fictitious. I have testified for the record,
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  and I'm happy to do it again that I have
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  never flown redacted and redacted myself as a pilot in
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  a helicopter at any time, any place, at any time,
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  to any part of the world. McAuley, What other obvious
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  lies were you referring to Maxwell? She was referring to redacted.
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  She is referring to a bunch of people. I don't
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  believe redacted ever came to the island at any time.
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  I don't even know redacted, actually, McCauley, just one moment,
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  I want to hear all of them. But when you
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  say you don't believe redacted ever came to the island,
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  do you know whether redacted ever came to the island? Maxwell,
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  rected never came to the island. McCauley, how do you
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  know that Maxwell? Jeffrey doesn't know him. I don't know him,
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  and I think had redacted, I don't think had redacted
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  gone to the island during the period when I would
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  have been involved in organizing a trip, I would have
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  been aware of it. McCauley. So go ahead, you had
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  another one, Maxwell, It would be easier if I could see.
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  Do you mind if I take a reference at some
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  of these newspaper articles or you just want me to
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  go from memory her entire characterization of what took place
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  in London at my house with redacted McCauley. Was it
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  an obvious lie that she was at your house in London? Maxwell,
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  We can't really establish the photograph and all of that.
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  I don't know if that's true, if that's a real
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  picture or not. McCauley. So you dispute that you were
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  actually photographed in your town home in London, Maxwell, I
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  don't recognize that picture. I'm not sure if that's a
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  real picture or not. McCauley. And you have talked to
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  or redacted about the picture. Maxwell. We discussed Virginia's entire tale,
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  and he asked me if he even knewer McCauley. So,
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  did redacted tell you that he did not have sex
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  with Virginia Roberts? Maxwell? He doesn't even know who Virginia
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  Roberts is. So they're talking about Prince Andrew here, McCauley.
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  Did he ever tell you that he didn't have sex
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  with her? Maxwell? It would be difficult to have sex
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  with someone you don't know, McCauley. He may not remember, Maxwell.
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  I think the inference is he didn't know who she
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  was he didn't have any recollection of her whatsoever. McCauley
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  has redacted. Ever come to your London town home? Maxwell? Yes, ever,
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  being the entire time I own my house. Yes? Can
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  I go on with her obvious lies? McCauley, if you
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  have more, Maxwell, I have for her entire characterization. I
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  took her shopping into Burbery and bought her a very
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  expensive dress. And if this photo were real, and if
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  this is, I would never The outfit doesn't work at all.
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  So McCauley, do you not remember taking her shopping or
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  are you saying it's an obvious lie? You know you
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  did not take her shopping Maxwell, I did not take
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  her shopping. I did not buy her a five thousand
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  dollars handbag, McCauley. Did Jeffrey buyer of a five thousand
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  dollars handbag? Maxwell? Her accusation was that I did. McCauley,
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  do you know if Jeffrey bought her a handbag during
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  that trip to London? Maxwell? I don't know what he did,
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  She accused me. I can't physically remember buying a five
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  thousand dollars first for her, not for anyone, not for me. McCauley,
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  did you ever go shopping with Virginia. Maxwell, I don't
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  recall ever going shopping with Virginia. McCauley, did you have
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  more to go over or did you want me to
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  ask my questions? Maxwell? The entire characterization of what took
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  place in my house in London would have been impossible. McCauley,
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  Can I ask do you still have it the picture
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  of the London town home with you in it? Roberts
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  zero zero four zero seven? As you were looking at
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  this picture, Miss Maxwell, as I'm looking at it, it's
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  on the right hand side, there appears to be a
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  picture hanging on the wall. Do you recall that in
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  your London town home? Maxwell, It's a little difficult to see. McCauley.
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  Do you recall having a picture on the wall there
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  by the room where you're standing Maxwell? I do have
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  a picture, McCauley. Do you recall on the left hand
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  side having a railing that looks like that with sort
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  of a bubblewood top. Maxwell? I do, McCauley. So are
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  you saying that it's an obvious lie, that Virginia's statement
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  that she had sex with redacted is an obvious lie? Maxwell?
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  What I'm representing is that her entire ludicrous an absurd
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  story of what took place in my house is an
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  obvious lie, McCauley, including that she had sex with redacted Maxwell.
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  She claimed things that took place in my bathroom in London.
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  Her characterization is just not possible, McCauley. So you're saying
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  it's an obvious lie that she was telling an obvious
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  lie when she said that she had sex with redacted
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. The
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  witness already answered the question. Maxwell. I'm saying, within the
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  context of all the stories she told, this particular story backup,
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  she claimed went out at night redacted, redacted, redacted. She
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  characterized that redacted, redacted, and redacted. She then characterized things
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  that took place in my bathroom in the bathtub itself,
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  the tub is too small for any type of activity whatsoever. No,
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  it's not. That's just an absolute lie. Another lie that
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  Glenn Maxwell pitched to us. McCauley redacted Maxwell's answers redacted.
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  Then McCauley, that would be redacted Maxwell. Yes, McCauley, are
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  you saying that it was an obvious lie when Virginia
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  said that you made her a dress up in a
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  gooolgirl outfit. Mister Pakliuka, objection to the Form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  I already testified that. First of all, I don't know
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  what you were talking about. I already testified that I
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  didn't get her outfits and all of that. McCauley is
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  an obvious lie that Virginia was paid to give a
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  massage to redacted. Mister Pagliuca objection to the Form and
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  the Foundation. Maxwell, I cannot testify to what Virginia did
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  outside of I can't testify to what she did who
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  she gave massages to. McCauley, So you don't know on
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  that one, Maxwell, of course I don't know. McCauley, do
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  you agree that it's psychologically harmful to have sex with
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  a minor? Mister Pakliuka, objection to Form and Foundation. Maxwell,
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  what are you asking me, McCauley, I'm asking if it's
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  psychologically harmful for an adult to have sex with a minor.
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  Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  I don't know what you were asking. This has nothing
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  to do with Virginia Roberts. McCauley, it does, Maxwell, how
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  does it McCauley, I asked the questions. You answer. If
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  you can't answer, you can say I don't know. But
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  my question is, do you agree that it's psychologically harmful
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  to have sex with a minor? Mister Pagliuca objection to
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  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, are you giving me
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  a random question and as not related to this case
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  and not related to anything. It's obviously not something that
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  you want to have happen. McCauley, do you agree that
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  Jeffrey Epstein has harmed many minors by having sex with them?
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  Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
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  I can't testify to what Jeffrey did or didn't do.
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  I have no knowledge of what you were asking me. McCauley.
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  If Jeffrey had sex with minors, would you agree that
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  that could harm a minor? Mister Pagliuca object to the
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  form and the foundation. Maxwell again, I'm not testifying to
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  what Jeffrey did or what Jeffrey did not do, because
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  I cannot McCauley, you don't know whether Jeffrey Epstein had
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  sex with a minor. Maxwell again, I cannot testify to
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  what Jeffrey did or didn't do. I cannot. McCauley. You
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  never observed him having sex with a minor. Maxwell, I
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  never observe Jeffrey having sex with a minor. McCauley, do
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  you agree that calling a sex abuse victim a liar
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  when she speaks about her abuse can cause psychological harm?
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  Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell.
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  Can you repeat the question, McCauley, do you agree calling
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  a sex abuse victim when she speaks about her abuse
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  can cause psychological harm? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form
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  and the foundation. Maxwell, say it again, McCauley, do you
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  agree that calling a sexual abuse victim a liar can
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  shaus psychological harm? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and
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  the foundation. Maxwell. I would like to say all the
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  terrible things Virginia Roberts said about me is extremely harmful,
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  and you should turn that around. All the lies that
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  she has said and you have backed her on, have
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  been extremely damaging to me. So what I can testify
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  to is that somebody who has made these outrageous allegations
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  and who is a serious liar, and that I know
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  for a fact is a liar, that I can testify
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  is damaging to me. McCauley. Do you agree that calling
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  a sexual abuse victim a liar when she speaks out
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  about her abuse can cause psychological harm? Mister Pagliuca, Are
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  you asking I hypothetical question McCauley, Yes, Maxwell, Are you
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  asking me to speculate? McCauley, I'm not asking you to
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  speculate if somebody is a sexual abuse victim. Maxwell, I
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  can't testify to what some random hypothetical person that you
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  are asking me to speculate on their mental state or
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  health versus speculation. I can't do that. That's just not right. McAuley.
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  Do you agree that by calling Virginia Roberts a liar
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  when she was subject to sexual abuse by Jeffrey Epstein
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  that can cause psychological harm? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the
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  form and the foundation assumes facts not in the evidence. Maxwell,
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  I can only tell you what I know of Virginia's lies.
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  She lied repeatedly often, and I know for a fact
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  she is a liar. So I can only testify to
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  what I know and the fact that she has lied
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  about me from the beginning to the end and repeatedly
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  cause me to question anything that she may feel. All right, folks,
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  we're gonna wrap up this episode here and in the
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  next episode on topic, we'll pick up where we left off.
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  All of the information that goes with this episode can
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  be found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and
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  welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're
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  gonna pick right back up where we left off with
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  the Galain Maxwell deposition, So let's get right back to it. McCauley,
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  is it an obvious lie you had sex toys in
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  Jeffrey Epstein's pom Beach house. Mister Pakliuka objection to the
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  form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you repeat the question, McCauley,
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  Is it an obvious lie that you had sex toys
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  in Jeffrey Epstein's pom Beach house. Mister Pagliuca, objection to
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  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, did Virginia say that? McCauley,
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  I'm asking you a question. Is it an obvious lie
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  that you had sex toys in Jeffrey Epstein's house? Maxwell?
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  I don't recall any sex toys, McCauley. If someone said
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  you had sex toys, would that be an obvious lie?
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  like I said, can you be more about the house
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  or whatever? What exactly you are referring to? What's a
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  sex toy? McCauley, Yes, how would you define a sex toy? Maxwell? No,
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  I need you to define a sex toy. I don't
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  have enough knowledge of sex toys. Oh yeah, I'm sure McCauley.
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  I will define it based on the Dictionary's definition, which
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  is an object or a device used to sexually, stimulate
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  or enhance sexual pleasure. Maxwell. What's your question, please, McCauley.
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  The question is is it an obvious lie that you
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  had sex toys in Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach house? Mister Pagliuca,
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  Sam objection. McCauley, you can answer Maxwell like I said,
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  I do not have any recollection of sex toys in
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  Jeffrey's house. McCauley, is it a lie? Is it an
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  obvious lie that you took pictures of nude girls? Pack
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  Luka object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, We
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  already covered this girls. We are not referring to. I
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  can only testify to taking pictures of adult people, and
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  I already testified they are not nude per se. That
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  every picture that I ever took, and which they were
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  very limited, always by request the people would be covered,
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  or it would be a hand or a foot. There
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  were never any pictures that I took of people that
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  would only have been in mainstream type of magazines, and
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  any photos I took could have been very happily then
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  expected to be displayed on your parent's mantlepiece or grandparents mantlepiece.
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  Talk about a bunch of BS. I guess if you're
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  taking pictures of naked little girls and your grandparents are
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  you know Lord mount Batten and Jimmy Savell McAuley. Is
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  it a lie that you approach females to bring them
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  to Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and
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  the Foundation. Maxwell, can you please ask the question again? McCauley, sure,
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  is it a lie that you approach females to bring
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  them to Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell, I don't know what you're
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  asking me, McCauley. I'm asking you if it's a lie
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  that you approach females to bring them to Jeffrey Epstein.
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
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  you are not asking me a good question. Sorry, McCauley,
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  you don't get to choose the questions. Maxwell. I would
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  like to answer your questions, but you are not asking
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  me a question that I can answer. McCauley, what about
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  that is causing you pause when you can't answer the question? Maxwell,
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  you are trying to trap me, and that's not fair.
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  So I already testified that I hire people across the board,
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  So I would hire architects, decorators, pool people, exercise instructors, gardeners,
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  cook chefs, cleaning people. So I, in the course of
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  a very long time when I would hire people, I
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  hired people to work for Jeffrey. So I'm happy to
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  testify to hiring people for every possible, conceivable, proper job
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  that you could conceive of within the context of Jeffrey's
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  life and home. McAuley, Is it a lie that you
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  approach females to bring them to Jeffrey Epstein for the
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  purpose of performing massages? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form
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  and the foundation. Maxwell. Again, I have already testified to
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  that part of the job that I had to hire
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  lots of different types of people in terms of whatever
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  very small part of my job. Jeffrey enjoyed getting massages.
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  I think that is something we can all agree in
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  this room and within the context of that. Very infrequently
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  I would go to spas and myself happily receive a
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  professional non sexual massage from a man and or from
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  a woman. And if that massage was something that I
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  thought was something that was good, I would ask if
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  that man or woman would come back and does home visits? Yeah,
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  how many men did you have running around the house there,
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  Glaine Maxwell? If that person said that they did, they
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  would sometimes come from time to time, but not always
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  come back to the house to perform a non sexual,
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  professional male or female massage. McCauley, were any of the
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  exercise instructors you hired under the age of eighteen? Maxwell? Again,
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  I don't hire. We've already established that I don't hire people.
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  I interview people to see if they are competent in
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  the job that they do and or whether they are
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  someone who seemed that they do home visits. At that
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  point where I can think that there is somebody that
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  has can either be whatever the job may be, pull gardner,
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  chef and or exercise instructor. And I think that they
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  could be good at whatever it is, at whatever skill
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  that they had, and they did a home visit, which
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  would obviously be mandatory, and mister Epstein would meet them
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  and decide if you wanted to have whatever skill it was,
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  that he would do it, and then he would then
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  either have them come back or hire them. Talk about
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  word salad, McCauley. Were there any exercise instructors that worked
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  at the home that were under the age of eighteen?
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  Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, Again,
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  I keep coming back to this that the people that
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  I employed, or not the right word, the people I
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  would meet to come and work at the house under
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  any guys whatsoever. Again from any of the many positions
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  that I filled, were all over we're all adults McCauley.
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  When you say adults over the age of eighteen, Maxwell,
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  I think we can establish what adult would be. McCauley,
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  you never interviewed or I know you don't want people
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  to use the word hired. Whatever your role was, you
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  brought in an exercise instructor that was under the age
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  of eighteen to work at the house. Mister Pagliuca, object
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  to the form and the Foundation, Maxwell, I have already
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  testified that what I was responsible for was to find
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  p people who had competencies in whatever area I was
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  looking for. The competencies I was looking for were professional
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  and adult McCauley. So there was no exercise instructor that
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  worked at the Palm Beach House, or the New York House,
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  or the New Mexico House or the USVII under the
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  age of eighteen, Mister Pagliuca objection to the form and
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  the foundation, Maxwell, I can only testify to when I
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  was at the house. McCauley, Yes, Maxwell, I can only
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  testify to the years when I was present. McCauley, right, Maxwell,
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  and I can only testify to people I personally either
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  met and or work with and or invited to find
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  the correct word, I don't know what the correct word
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  is to come do exercise or whatever it was at
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  the house of the people that I male or female,
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  that I brought were all appropriate and age appropriate adults
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  McCauley over the age of eighteen. Maxwell. We've established them
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  as an adult McCauley. So are you saying appropriate adults?
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  So we are clear you didn't hire or bring in
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  or know of any exercise instructors that were under the
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  age of eighteen at any of those homes. Maxwell, I
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  am also testifying that when I was present at the
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  house and with the people that I brought in, were
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  all age appropriate adults. McCauley, how do you define age
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  appropriate adults? Is that over the age of eighteen? Can
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  we agree to that? Mister Pagliuca objection to the form
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  and the foundation. McCauley. Are they under the age of eighteen? Maxwell?
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  We already established that you can be a missuse in
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  Florida at age seventeen. That does not make it inappropriate. McCauley.
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  I'm not saying appropriate or inappropriate. I'm just asking if
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  there were any exercise instructors that were under the age
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  of eighteen. Maxwell. I am not aware if anybody was,
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  but I don't want to full out and say you, oh,
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  she said, we already established you can be a seventeen
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  year old massuse and have it not be something that
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  is not appropriate. Have we really established that though? I mean,
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  because you say it, galein Maxwell doesn't make it true.
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  How many of you out there have had a massage
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  before professionally? How many of those messuses we're seventeen no
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  need to answer that question. I already know the answer.
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  So when you say that and then you go, well,
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  you come back and say something. Now we can establish
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  that Virginia was seventeen, but you can be a seventeen
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  year old legal massuse. But I am not aware. To
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  your point, McCauley, who are the other seventeen year old
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  messuses that you were aware of? Maxwell, I'm not aware
• 22:43
  of any. McCauley. Were there any sixteen year old messuses
• 22:46
  that you were aware of? Maxwell? I am not aware
• 22:50
  McCauley any fifteen year olds. Maxwell, I just want to
• 22:54
  be clear. The only person that I am aware of
• 22:56
  who claims to have been uh, we have to we
• 22:59
  established Virginia now is seventeen, given she has changed her
• 23:03
  age so many times. The only person that I'm aware
• 23:06
  of that was a masseuse at the time when I
• 23:08
  was president in the House was Virginia McCauley. Isn't an
• 23:12
  obvious lie that Jeffrey Epstein had a sexual preference for
• 23:16
  underage miners? Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,
• 23:23
  can you ask the question again, McCauley, isn't an obvious
• 23:26
  lie that Jeffrey Epstein had a sexual preference for underage miners.
• 23:31
  Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can
• 23:36
  you ask the question again, McCauley. Is it an obvious
• 23:39
  lie that Jeffrey Epstein had a sexual preference for underage miners.
• 23:43
  Mister Pagliuca object to the form and the foundation. Maxwell,
• 23:48
  I cannot testify to what jeffreys McCauley. You don't know
• 23:52
  his preference. Maxwell, you had to be a stack of
• 23:55
  papers from the police reports, and that's what I've read.
• 23:58
  But I have no knowledge, direct knowledge of what you
• 24:00
  are referencing, McCauley, So you don't know. You don't know
• 24:05
  in your own mind that Jeffrey Epstein had a sexual
• 24:08
  preference for underage miners. Is that correct? Mister Pagliuka objection
• 24:13
  to the form and the foundation. McCauley, Is that correct? Maxwell?
• 24:19
  Please ask the question again, McCauley, You don't know in
• 24:22
  your own mind that Jeffrey Epstein had a sexual preference
• 24:26
  for underage miners. Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and
• 24:30
  the foundation. You have to pause. Let me object answer
• 24:34
  the question. Listen to her question. Pause, I object, you
• 24:37
  answer McCauley. So you don't know in your own mind
• 24:41
  that Jeffrey Epstein had a sexual preference for underage miners.
• 24:45
  Mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the foundation. McCauley,
• 24:51
  you can answer Maxwell, I cannot tell you what Jeffree
• 24:54
  story is. I'm not able to McCauley. Did Jeffrey Epstein
• 24:58
  have a scheme to recruit under girls to use them
• 25:01
  for the purposes of sexual massages? Mister Pagliuka, objection to
• 25:06
  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you ask me again, please, McCauley.
• 25:11
  Did Jeffrey Epstein have a scheme to recruit underage girls
• 25:15
  to recruit them for sexual massages? Mister Pagliuca objection to
• 25:20
  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can you ask it
• 25:24
  a different way, McCauley. Did Jeffrey Epstein have a scheme
• 25:29
  to recruit underage girls for sexual massages? Mister Pagliuca, objection
• 25:34
  to the form and the foundation. McCauley. If you know, Maxwell,
• 25:38
  I don't know what you are talking about. McCauley. Isn't
• 25:42
  an obvious lie that Virginia Roberts was a minor the
• 25:44
  first time she was taken to Jeffrey Epstein's house. Mister
• 25:48
  Pagliuca objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell. So
• 25:53
  we've already established that Virginia was seventeen, and we established
• 25:57
  that her mother brought her to the house and that
• 26:00
  she came as a messuse aged seventeen, which is legal
• 26:04
  in Florida. So we're gonna wrap up right there for
• 26:06
  this part and we're gonna continue in the next episode
• 26:09
  with the next part. But imagine using this as your excuse.
• 26:13
  Oh well, she was seventeen, so you know, the abuse
• 26:16
  is okay, what a disgusting, vile individual. All of the
• 26:21
  information that goes with the episode can be found in
• 26:24
  the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to
• 26:28
  the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna continue looking
• 26:32
  at Gallaine Maxwell's deposition as we prepare for the new
• 26:36
  documents to be unsealed. But until then, let's get back
• 26:40
  to it. McCauley with Jeffrey Epstein's assistants arranged times for
• 26:47
  underage girls to come to the house for sexual massages.
• 26:51
  Pagliuca objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, what
• 26:56
  are you talking about, McCauley, Sure would Jeffrey Epstein's assistance.
• 27:02
  I think earlier you mentioned we talked about redacted who
• 27:05
  worked in the role as an assistant or redacted? Would
• 27:09
  Jeffrey Epstein's assistants arrange times for underage girls to come
• 27:13
  over to the house for sexual massages? Pagliuca objection to
• 27:18
  the form and the foundation. Maxwell, Again, I read the
• 27:22
  police reports. So this is all happening according to the
• 27:25
  police reports when I'm no longer at the house, So
• 27:28
  I can't testify to what Jeffrey's assistants did when this
• 27:32
  kind of activity as alleged in the reports. McCauley, So
• 27:37
  you don't know, Maxwell, No, McCauley, would Jeffrey Epstein's assistance
• 27:42
  meaning redacted or redacted or any other assistant that you
• 27:46
  were aware of from the time you worked there, take
• 27:49
  nude photographs of underage girls? Mister Pakliuka object to the
• 27:53
  form and the foundation. And just to interject, we all
• 27:57
  know who they're talking about here in the redacted portions,
• 28:00
  which is Sarah Kellen Vickers. Right. So the question still remains,
• 28:05
  is anybody ever gonna sit her down and get her
• 28:08
  under oath. That's probably a good place to start, right
• 28:12
  considering how many times. Her name's mentioned in all of
• 28:14
  these documents. Maxwell, during what period of time McCauley, During
• 28:20
  any period of time that you worked, did you observe
• 28:23
  that Maxwell? I did not observe any such photographs. McCauley.
• 28:27
  Are you aware if they took these kinds of photos? Maxwell?
• 28:31
  I'm not aware, mister Pagliuca. Can we take a five
• 28:35
  minute break? So they go to recess, They take about
• 28:39
  a ten minute break, and then they get back to it, McCauley,
• 28:43
  Miss Maxwell, was it an obvious lie when Virginia said
• 28:47
  she was sent to Thailand by Epstein in September of
• 28:50
  two thousand and two, mister Pakluka, objection to the form
• 28:55
  and the foundation? Maxwell, I have no knowledge of Virginia
• 28:59
  being sent to But may I say something? McCauley. There
• 29:03
  is not a question pending unless you want to clarify something.
• 29:07
  Did you want to clarify that, Maxwell? No, I just
• 29:11
  wanted to say something, McCauley. Is it an obvious lie
• 29:15
  when Virginia said she was given instructions to maintain telephone
• 29:18
  contact with you while she was in Thailand? Mister Pagliuca,
• 29:23
  objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell? Can you
• 29:27
  repeat the question, McCauley. Is it an obvious lie when
• 29:31
  Virginia said she was given instructions to maintain telephone contact
• 29:35
  with you when she was in Thailand. Mister Pagliuca, same objection, Maxwell,
• 29:41
  I have no idea what instructions Virginia was given, if any,
• 29:46
  when she went to Thailand. McCauley. So you know she
• 29:49
  went to Thailand, Maxwell, I know she claims she went
• 29:53
  to Thailand from having read it, but given that she
• 29:56
  lied about everything, it's hard to know what is true
• 29:59
  and what is not true. McCauley, wouldn't make any sense
• 30:03
  for her to be in contact with you? Would there
• 30:05
  be any reason why she needed to be in contact
• 30:08
  with you? Mister Pakluka, objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell,
• 30:15
  what are you talking about, McCauley, when she went to Thailand,
• 30:19
  mister Pakliuka, same objection, McCauley in two thousand and two,
• 30:23
  would there be any reason for her to remain in
• 30:25
  contact with you? Mister Pagliuca, objection to the form and
• 30:30
  the foundation. Maxwell, can you please ask the question again, McCauley,
• 30:35
  would there be any reason for Virginia to maintain contact
• 30:39
  with you? In two thousand and two when she went
• 30:42
  to Thailand, mister Pagliuca, same objection. Maxwell. First of all,
• 30:47
  I didn't know that she went to Thailand. I had
• 30:49
  nothing to do with her trip to go to Thailand,
• 30:52
  and there would absolutely be no reason for her to
• 30:54
  be in touch with me whatsoever. McCauley, did you ever
• 30:58
  have a phone number that was redacted? Maxwell? I did, McCauley.
• 31:05
  Was that a cell phone number? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley. Is
• 31:09
  that your current cell phone number? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley. I'm
• 31:14
  going to mark a couple of things here, Maxwell, Exhibit
• 31:17
  eleven photos marked for identification the witness. Can I say
• 31:21
  something now, mister Pacluka, No, Maxwell, Will you let me
• 31:25
  know when I can, mister Pacluka, when she asked you
• 31:28
  a question, McCauley, So we've marked this as exhibit eleven.
• 31:34
  I'm showing you what's been marked as Exhibit eleven, which
• 31:37
  is Robert's zero zero three one nine to one and
• 31:41
  zero three one nine to two. Can you take a
• 31:44
  look at that document for me. Is that number that
• 31:47
  you just identified the redacted as being your cell phone number?
• 31:52
  Is that number on this document? Maxwell? It is, McCauley.
• 31:56
  And do you know who authored this document? Maxwell, I
• 31:59
  do not, McCauley, who is redacted? Maxwell? I don't know
• 32:04
  who redacted is on this document because I don't know
• 32:07
  what this document is. McCauley, do you know someone by
• 32:10
  the name of redacted? Maxwell? I do know someone by
• 32:14
  the name of redacted. McCauley. Would he know your phone number?
• 32:19
  Mister Pacliuka, object to the form? Maxwell, I have no idea, McCauley.
• 32:24
  Why would Virginia be instructed to call him Miss Maxwell
• 32:27
  at true number on this form? Mister Pakluka, objection to
• 32:31
  the form and foundation. Maxwell. I don't know what this
• 32:36
  document is. I don't know when it was done. I
• 32:39
  don't know anything about it other than I can see
• 32:42
  it has my name and my number on it. McCauley,
• 32:45
  So redacted, you said redacted? Is he employed by mister Epstein? Maxwell? Again,
• 32:52
  it is not the only one redacted on the planet. McCauley,
• 32:56
  I understand. Do you know a redacted that is employed
• 32:59
  by mister Epstein? Mister Pakliuka objection to the form and
• 33:04
  the foundation. Maxwell. Can you ask me the question again? McCauley,
• 33:09
  do you know someone by the name of redacted that
• 33:12
  was employed by mister Epstein back in two thousand and two. Maxwell,
• 33:17
  I do know somebody who was employed by mister Epstein,
• 33:20
  none as redacted. McCauley. Do you recognize the other numbers
• 33:24
  listed at the top of this document? Maxwell, I do not, McCauley.
• 33:29
  Would you have known redacted cell number at the time
• 33:32
  in two thousand and two, mister Pagliuca objection to the
• 33:36
  form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I have no idea, McCauley.
• 33:41
  Can I ask you to turn to the next page. Please?
• 33:44
  Do you know who redacted is who is mentioned on
• 33:47
  this document? Maxwell? I do not, McCauley. If you look
• 33:52
  on the bottom line of the document, it says still
• 33:54
  in Thailand during your stay. If she is, she will
• 33:57
  be staying at the same hotel. Do you recall giving
• 34:00
  Virginia instructions to meet a Thai girl in Thailand? Mister
• 34:04
  Pakliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell, I
• 34:09
  have already testified that I didn't even know that Virginia
• 34:12
  was going to Thailand, McCauley, So you didn't give her
• 34:16
  instructions to meet a girl in Thailand? Maxwell, like I said,
• 34:20
  I didn't even know she was going to Thailand. McCauley.
• 34:23
  Do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein would have given her
• 34:26
  instructions to meet a girl in Thailand? Mister Pakliuka objection
• 34:31
  to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, I cannot possibly
• 34:35
  tell you what Jeffrey did or didn't do. I wouldn't know, McCauley.
• 34:40
  Do you know whether Jeffrey Epstein paid for Virginia to
• 34:42
  go to Thailand? Maxwell? Again, I wouldn't know if he did. Maxwell.
• 34:48
  Exhibit twelve Documents marked for identification. McCauley, I'm going to
• 34:53
  direct you can take a look at it, and then
• 34:55
  I'm going to direct your attention to a couple of pages.
• 34:58
  Mister Pakliuka, So the record should be clear. This exhibit,
• 35:02
  which is twelve, is three seventy five, six, seven, eight,
• 35:06
  nine point eighty one, and then skips to nine nineteen, nine,
• 35:10
  twenty nine, twenty one, nine twenty two, nine twenty three,
• 35:14
  nine twenty four, nine twenty five, and nine twenty six. McCauley,
• 35:19
  So I'm going to direct your attention to the first page.
• 35:22
  Have you ever traveled with Jeffrey Epstein where you've received
• 35:26
  documents like this from shoppers? Travel in your own independent travels?
• 35:30
  Do you recognize this, mister Pakliuka. Objection to the form
• 35:34
  and the foundation. McCauley. The front form, the front page.
• 35:39
  Do you recognize this super Shopper travel form? Have you
• 35:42
  ever used them as a travel agent with Jeffrey Epstein?
• 35:46
  Mister Pakliuka, same objection, McCauley, you can answer Maxwell, I
• 35:52
  don't recognize this. McCauley turning to the second page, which
• 35:56
  is the zero zero three seven six. Do you see
• 35:59
  that at the top up where the document says Jeffrey
• 36:01
  Epstein four fifty seven Madison Avenue, fourth floor, New York,
• 36:05
  New York. Is that an address that you're familiar with
• 36:09
  and is that Jeffrey Epstein's Maxwell, I am McCauley. Do
• 36:14
  you see below that travel on Singapore Airlines and you
• 36:17
  are going to have to go from New York JFK
• 36:19
  to Singapore Bangkok? Do you see that, mister Pagliuka. What McCauley.
• 36:25
  The first entry is going to be on September twenty seventh,
• 36:28
  New York. Mister Pagliuka, I see it, Miss McCauley. I'm
• 36:33
  not talking to you, I'm talking to the witness. Maxwell.
• 36:37
  I see it. McCauley to Singapore and Bangkok. Maxwell, Singapore, Bangkok,
• 36:42
  I'm afraid are not the same place, and just to
• 36:46
  enter jet real quick. Imagine being on trial or being
• 36:49
  deposed for abusing an underage girl and being condescending talk
• 36:54
  about Hubris McCauley to Singapore and then Bangkok. McCauley, I'm
• 37:02
  going to turn to page Roberts. It's a little further
• 37:05
  back zero zero zero nine to one nine, and you
• 37:09
  see at the top where it says Jay Epstein underneath
• 37:12
  royal Princess change mine, Maxwell, I do. McCauley, does this
• 37:17
  refresh your recollection that Virginia Roberts trip to Thailand was
• 37:21
  paid for by Jeffrey Epstein. Mister Pakliuka, objection to the
• 37:25
  form and the foundation. Maxwell, I can only testify to
• 37:30
  the piece of paper you showed me that has that information.
• 37:34
  I cannot testify from direct memory, McCauley, when Virginia was
• 37:39
  traveling to Thailand, which the dates? Again, I'm going to
• 37:42
  refer you back to the first page so you can
• 37:45
  see the dates. Mister Pagliuca, can you identify a Bates
• 37:48
  number please, McCauley redacted, which was at the top, says redacted.
• 37:54
  I'm going to refer you at the same time to
• 37:56
  the flight logs, which were remarked the thicker document that
• 38:00
  looks like this with all the log entries on it.
• 38:03
  I'm going to refer you to page mister Pagliuca, that's
• 38:06
  exhibit number six, correct. I'm trying to keep the record straight. McAuley.
• 38:11
  I don't have exhibit numbers on mine. That's Robert's redacted. Pagliuca,
• 38:16
  Hang on one second, Maxwell, can you repeat the number please, McCauley, redacted,
• 38:22
  and if you will, look on that page at the
• 38:24
  entry under redacted redacted, starting with redacted, and then it
• 38:28
  runs down to the looks like the redacted. That first
• 38:32
  entry has redacted or redacted Jeffrey Epstein and the initials GM.
• 38:37
  Do you remember taking a trip with redacted during redacted?
• 38:40
  Mister Pagliuca objection to the foundation and the form. Maxwell,
• 38:45
  can you repeat the question, McCauley, do you remember taking
• 38:48
  a trip with redacted during redacted? That's the redacted. It
• 38:53
  looks like through the redacted. Maxwell. I don't remember the
• 38:57
  dates I could testify to when we actually did it,
• 39:00
  but I do remember the trip itself. McCauley, So you
• 39:05
  were traveling with Jeffrey Epstein and redacted at the same
• 39:08
  time Virginia was headed to Thailand. Is that correct, mister Pakliuka?
• 39:12
  Objection to the form and the foundation? Maxwell, I don't know.
• 39:17
  Is that right, McCauley. If you look at redacted on
• 39:20
  the document that I gave you your first document and then
• 39:23
  you referred to, if you look in the same as
• 39:26
  above line, you will see the travel group with redacted.
• 39:30
  Mister Pakliuka. Are you asking her to compare the documents
• 39:33
  or are you asking her what her personal knowledge is.
• 39:38
  Ms McCauley, I'm asking if she can look at the
• 39:41
  doubts and tell me if she recalls that she was
• 39:44
  traveling with redacted at the same time this document reflects
• 39:47
  Virginia was in Thailand. Maxwell, I can't testify to any dates.
• 39:52
  I couldn't tell you. I can see a date, and
• 39:55
  I can see a date, but I can't tell you
• 39:57
  that I have a memory of the dates, memory of
• 40:00
  the trip. I don't have a memory of the time. McCauley.
• 40:04
  Who is this redacted? Maxwell? Redacted? McCauley, what is her address? Maxwell?
• 40:10
  I don't know, McCauley. Does she live in the United States? Maxwell,
• 40:15
  she does McCauley in what state Maxwell? I believe in
• 40:19
  New Jersey somewhere. McCauley, do you have her phone number? Maxwell?
• 40:24
  Not memorized? McCauley, do you have the ability to get
• 40:27
  her phone number? Maxwell? Of course, McCauley. Have you ever asked?
• 40:32
  Has redacted ever asked other girls to come over to
• 40:35
  see Jeffrey Epstein for the purpose of sexual massage? Mister
• 40:39
  Pacliuka objection to the form and the foundation. Maxwell, can
• 40:44
  you ask that question again, please. McCauley, has redacted ever
• 40:49
  ask girls to come over to see Jeffrey Epstein for
• 40:51
  the purpose of a sexual massage? Mister Pacluka, object to
• 40:56
  the form and the foundation? Maxwell, can you ask again, please? McCauley,
• 41:01
  has redacted ever ask girls to come over to see
• 41:04
  Jeffrey Epstein for the purpose of sexual massage? Maxwell? I
• 41:09
  have no personal knowledge. McCauley. What does redacted do for you? Maxwell?
• 41:15
  She helps with my not for profit Ocean Foundation and
• 41:19
  any other related activities that I may have. Just to
• 41:22
  add here, that's Terra mar you know, the same foundation
• 41:25
  that the Clinton's helped her out with. Another Clinton connection.
• 41:30
  That's interesting, McCauley. Is she paid for by Jeffrey Epstein.
• 41:35
  Maxwell No, McCauley. Is she paid for by you? Maxwell? Yes, McCauley.
• 41:41
  When did you first meet redacted? Maxwell? I don't recollect exactly.
• 41:45
  Sometime maybe two thousand and two, two thousand and three. McCauley,
• 41:49
  how did you meet her? Maxwell? I don't recollect exactly
• 41:53
  how we met. McCauley. Did Jeffrey introduce you to her? Maxwell? Maxwell?
• 41:58
  I don't recollect how we met. Macau does Jeffrey Epstein?
• 42:02
  Mister pacluka objection to form and the Foundation? Maxwell? Can
• 42:07
  you ask again, please, McCauley. Does Blank know Jeffrey Epstein? Maxwell?
• 42:12
  What do you mean by no? McCauley, Has she ever
• 42:15
  met him before? Mister pacluka objection to the form and
• 42:18
  the Foundation? Maxwell? I can't recollect a time when redacted.
• 42:23
  I've seen redacted with Jeffrey. But McCauley, you are not sure. Maxwell. Well,
• 42:28
  I know they know each other. I can't testify to
• 42:31
  a meeting between them. McCauley. Do you know where in
• 42:34
  New Jersey she lives? Maxwell? No, McCauley, you don't know
• 42:39
  a city. Maxwell. No, McCauley. How long has she worked
• 42:42
  for you? Maxwell? Sometime two thousand and two, two thousand
• 42:46
  and three, McCauley to the present. Maxwell. Yeah, McCauley, why
• 42:51
  do you think that redacted might know Jeffrey, mister Pacluka
• 42:54
  objection to the form and the Foundation, Maxwell, because you
• 42:58
  know I know Jeffrey. McCauley. Have you seen them together, Maxwell,
• 43:03
  I have already testified I have not seen them together.
• 43:06
  To my recollection, McCauley, is it your testimony that redacted
• 43:10
  knows Jeffrey Epstein through the work that she does for you,
• 43:13
  mister Pagliuka objection to the form and the Foundation. Maxwell,
• 43:18
  I don't recollect, and I don't recollect how I met redacted,
• 43:21
  and I can't testify to what redacted relationship is or
• 43:26
  is not with Jeffrey McCauley. Have you ever talked to
• 43:30
  Jeffrey about redacted? Maxwell? I don't know what you mean, McCauley,
• 43:35
  in any way, have you ever had a conversation with
• 43:38
  Jeffrey about redacted? Maxwell? In what context? McCauley, In any context,
• 43:44
  have you ever talked to Jeffrey Epstein about redacted? Maxwell?
• 43:48
  Redacted works for me, So it's entirely possible that in
• 43:51
  the course of conversations since two thousand and two, two
• 43:54
  thousand and three, that a conversation in which redacted's name
• 43:57
  would have come up as entirely possible. McAuley, I provided
• 44:01
  you with, and I'm sorry, I don't know all the numbers,
• 44:05
  but the statement that was issued by redacted that she
• 44:08
  should be a single page still in your stack of
• 44:11
  exhibits there, mister Pagliuca, Exhibit number ten. All right, folks,
• 44:15
  we're gonna wrap this episode up right there, and in
• 44:18
  the next episode we're gonna pick up where we left off.
• 44:21
  All of the information that goes with this episode can
• 44:24
  be found in the description box.