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FT Postgame Reax: Tigers win Game 4 to send ALDS back to Seattle · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: It's the Ft Live postgame show presented by the Fox
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  Speaker 1: along with Trevor May we are recapping Game four, the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers took down the Mariners. We will have a Game
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  Speaker 1: five winner take all back in Seattle Place. Is gonna
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  Speaker 1: be nuts. But first we're going to talk about what
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  Speaker 1: we just saw. Trevor, Good morning to the Detroit Tigers offense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we were just talking about it before the game,
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  Speaker 2: that they needed to get it going. Hadn't scored more
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  Speaker 2: than five runs more than once in the playoffs. This
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  Speaker 2: counts nine unanswered after falling behind three nothing to the gate.
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  Speaker 3: Was the bottom of the fifth this thing started. I
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  Speaker 3: went downhill, downhill quick for the old Mariners.
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  Speaker 1: Thiks Yeah, fifth and sixth thing. The Tigers just went nuts.
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  Speaker 1: And I will give credit to a number of players
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  Speaker 1: that I'll be Isley stepped up, but one that really
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  Speaker 1: comes to mind was their best most productive bat this year.
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  Speaker 1: Riley Green was feeling the heat. He's still a very
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  Speaker 1: young player, not super battle tested yet left on left
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  Speaker 1: crime against a guy who had been really good and
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  Speaker 1: had been in for those kind of spots inspire right,
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  Speaker 1: and gave Spire who hung a slider and that's the
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  Speaker 1: first Detroit home run we had seen since Carry Carpenter
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  Speaker 1: in Game one of this series. Over one hundred at bats.
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  Speaker 1: That was the go ahead shot and ended up being
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  Speaker 1: the difference maker. They scored a bunch more than in
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  Speaker 1: need any more. Four hundred and fifty four feet from
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  Speaker 1: Riley Green a big welcome back. And for me, Trevor,
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  Speaker 1: this is a guy who's got the big uppercut swing.
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  Speaker 1: He can be super streaky at times. But if he's
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  Speaker 1: doing that for another couple weeks, the Tigers might all
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  Speaker 1: of a sudden change everything. I mean, sure they might
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  Speaker 1: lose in Game five in Seattle, but if not, if
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  Speaker 1: Riley Green becomes a big power hitter again like he
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  Speaker 1: was for most of this season, thirty some on homers,
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  Speaker 1: this is much scarier Detroit lineup.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah he was.
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  Speaker 2: He was my you know, Detroit Tiger's MVP going into
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  Speaker 2: this year. They needed him to be to take another
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  Speaker 2: step forward and be the you know, big bat in
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  Speaker 2: middle lineup for all intensive purposes.
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  Speaker 1: He did.
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  Speaker 2: You know, one hundred eleven RBIs on the ear. That's
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  Speaker 2: not nothing, you know, and he's got the high strikeout right,
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  Speaker 2: we know, you know, he was leading the league for
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  Speaker 2: most of the year before unfortunately the young guy out
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  Speaker 2: in the Nationals Park took his took his belt. But
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  Speaker 2: I mean it kind of comes with the territory. He's
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  Speaker 2: got a steep swing. He struggles a little bit with
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  Speaker 2: the ball up at times, but he's making adjustments and
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  Speaker 2: he's taking advantage of the balls he can't hit, especially
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  Speaker 2: from a left east gates fire has trouble keeping the
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  Speaker 2: ball out of the middle of the plate at all.
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  Speaker 2: Today everything was kind of just leaking back over no
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  Speaker 2: matter what he threw.
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  Speaker 3: It's one of those days for him.
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  Speaker 2: So but Roley Green is he's going to be the
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  Speaker 2: game changer when he's hitting well, when he strings a
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  Speaker 2: couple of hits together or has a big hit somewhere
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  Speaker 2: in the game. That is what has happened to get
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  Speaker 2: them their wins. So it was going to turn on
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  Speaker 2: his bat and no difference today, you know, And you know,
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  Speaker 2: I think Zach McKinstry kind of just jumped right on
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  Speaker 2: the badwagon and swung it pretty well too.
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  Speaker 3: If everyone did. I mean, the floodgates kind of opened
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  Speaker 3: after that point.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good little nugget from Jason Stark, who's always
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  Speaker 1: full of them. One home run against lefties this year
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  Speaker 1: to give the Tigers a lead for Riley Green July thirteenth,
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  Speaker 1: off Gabe Spire.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, so it's like he hadn't been in that
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  Speaker 3: spot before.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait, he had that exact spot, not in this
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  Speaker 1: kind of environment, but just a few months ago, I think.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't want to insert myself in here in
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  Speaker 2: any meaningful way, but gave Spire only gave up like
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  Speaker 2: for five or six home runs of the year, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I was either watching a TV or
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  Speaker 2: watching live or four of them.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm sorry, Gabe.
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  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I saw the Riley Green one, and
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  Speaker 2: I believe it was in Seattle, and I might have been.
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  Speaker 3: There for that too.
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  Speaker 2: So that's you know, I won't watch anymore. I'll turn
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  Speaker 2: it off when you come in the game, and let's
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  Speaker 2: make sure that that's not part of it.
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  Speaker 3: How about that? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: And you know what, as a reliever man, giving up
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  Speaker 2: a homer to the same guy twice in a year,
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  Speaker 2: it's like not, it's rare, it's pretty like, especially if
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  Speaker 2: you're not in their division.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, this is right.
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  Speaker 2: Every time that guy comes into the plate. Now, for
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  Speaker 2: the rest of his spier's career, gonna just remember this
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  Speaker 2: a little bit more.
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  Speaker 1: And broadcasters will bring it up almost every time. It'll
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  Speaker 1: be the note right. If you ever see that matchup,
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  Speaker 1: they'll go. Let me take you back to October eighth
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  Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Other notable parts of the Tigers offense. First off, here
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  Speaker 1: Jami Jones. His job is to hit left handed pitching.
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  Speaker 1: His ops is star level against left handed pitching. First
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  Speaker 1: pitch rips an RBI double offspire that made this a
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  Speaker 1: three to two contest. Javier Bayaz needs to be talked
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  Speaker 1: about for the season that he had right many Tigers fans,
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  Speaker 1: I would say even most Tigers fans did not want
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  Speaker 1: him on the twenty twenty five team. They were like,
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  Speaker 1: we're done, let's just cut bait. Starts the season off
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  Speaker 1: smoking hot right makes the all star roster. Helped the
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  Speaker 1: Tigers win a ton of games, which is when they
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  Speaker 1: were at their best in the first half of the season.
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  Speaker 1: He slumped the Tigers slumped. He's been in the postseason before.
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  Speaker 1: He had his first home run in eight years in
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  Speaker 1: a postseason game in this one and came through with
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  Speaker 1: the tying RBI single earlier. So Javier Baiaz needs some
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  Speaker 1: love as well, Trevor. I mean, he's changed himself a
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  Speaker 1: little bit this year, and we've seen the best of him.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He's hitting, he's giving you at bats for average clutch abs,
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  Speaker 1: and he's taken some pitches here and there in the postseason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Chase is down, he's he's definitely i think, taking
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  Speaker 2: some of that feedback he's always played, you know.
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  Speaker 3: Just.
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  Speaker 2: Whatever is in front of him, he's going to go
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  Speaker 2: right at it. He's going to play as hard as
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  Speaker 2: he can and just deal with whatever comes his way.
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  Speaker 2: And he mistakes to happen, it's just part of how
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  Speaker 2: he plays. And I think he's started to rain some
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  Speaker 2: of that back and try to pick and choose his
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  Speaker 2: spots a little bit more. And that's you know, that's
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  Speaker 2: what happens. Is he a little older in this game,
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  Speaker 2: and it's great to see. I mean, he's just incredibly talented.
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  Speaker 2: The guy is a always been a great athlete and
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  Speaker 2: always things come easier to him than other people, and
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  Speaker 2: so to see these adjustments is always good thing. He's
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  Speaker 2: kept a little bit of the free swinger because he
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  Speaker 2: knows that makes it is part of who he is.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, it's not just ball comes out of
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  Speaker 2: the hand, it's his swing anymore. And he's always, you know,
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  Speaker 2: leave it over the plate. You're always in danger of
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  Speaker 2: giving up the one way back.
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  Speaker 1: Three forty six, three seventy five, hundred two strikeouts in
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  Speaker 1: twenty six at bats in the postseason. It's really good
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  Speaker 1: for Hobby Buys. All right, enough offense, Let's get to pitching,
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  Speaker 1: shall we. First off, shout out Troy Melton. Three scoreless
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  Speaker 1: innings for the Tigers. He's a dude, he's very young,
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  Speaker 1: he's special, and aj Hinch has himself a weapon here,
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  Speaker 1: especially if this team advances. I mean, this is the
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  Speaker 1: guy who can pick up big outs for you and
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  Speaker 1: multiple innings, doing so out of the bullpen or in
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  Speaker 1: a starting role.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna need him. He's a bold guy. He
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  Speaker 2: can take the ball for multiple innings. That's very important
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  Speaker 2: to leave have at least at one of those guys
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  Speaker 2: just in case, you know, it hits the fan for
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  Speaker 2: their starter. But I mean, a guy can throw up
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  Speaker 2: two hundred miles out. The only thing's really hurt him
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  Speaker 2: is a couple of solo home runs. You know, he
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  Speaker 2: gave one up to Okio, he gave one up to
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  Speaker 2: Roriguez in the first game. But outside of that, he's
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  Speaker 2: been pretty nails and tough too tough to really get
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  Speaker 2: get string a lot of hits against.
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  Speaker 3: And that's kind of the name of the game. In
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  Speaker 3: the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: You got that guy, uh, and you need him to
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  Speaker 2: go go take care of business. I mean, he did
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  Speaker 2: exactly what he needed to do in this situation, and
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  Speaker 2: he locked.
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  Speaker 3: Him down when they had the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: He made sure he went up and threw some zeros
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  Speaker 2: and kept that momentum on the home side dugout. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why it's kind of so scary that the momentum
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  Speaker 2: has swung back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: It's a pendulum in this in this series.
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  Speaker 2: So Kerric Scouble, Game five not what you're looking for
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  Speaker 2: if you are a Mariners fan, not at all.
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  Speaker 1: No, Well, I got one more and then I want
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  Speaker 1: to get to the pitching matchup going forward here, Casey
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  Speaker 1: my six strikeouts, three innings, one run. Aj Hinch let
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  Speaker 1: him go three innings last time around. He looked pretty sharp.
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  Speaker 1: Did give up a run. It's an elimination game. And
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  Speaker 1: this is the style that Detroit puts out to the
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  Speaker 1: world in the postseason. This is nothing new, So I
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  Speaker 1: wasn't surprised when he was pulled. But did you feel
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  Speaker 1: like Casey my should have been left in the game.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter now because the Tigers won, But if
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  Speaker 1: the Tigers had lost, right, if the offense didn't light up,
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  Speaker 1: then that have been the storyline here. Hey, you took
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  Speaker 1: him out, Troy or Tyler Holton didn't do well, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you're relying on so many people to be perfect
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  Speaker 1: in the bullpen in this time around, it ends up
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  Speaker 1: working out for them. You know, the bullpen's able to
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  Speaker 1: hold off Seattle after Holton to give them enough time
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  Speaker 1: to come back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it felt like a foregone conclusion before the game
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  Speaker 2: started that he was gonna not be out there past
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  Speaker 2: that point. When he guy strikes out six of gets
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  Speaker 2: six to nine ounce via strikeout, and gives up the
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  Speaker 2: one run, But he pitches another inning after giving up
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  Speaker 2: that run. I don't know, like that's not a leash,
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  Speaker 2: that's that's when he was scheduled to come out. So
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  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily like that doesn't feel as purposeful enough
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  Speaker 2: for me.
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  Speaker 3: Or read on anything.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like it was just fore gone, and sometimes
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  Speaker 2: you can I feel like that backfiring.
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  Speaker 3: I would rather.
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  Speaker 2: I would rather an in game decision, maybe, like if
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  Speaker 2: you pull him and then and the Wholton thing happens
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  Speaker 2: after a single or whatever, like and then another run scores.
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  Speaker 3: I can live with that.
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  Speaker 2: I would live with that situation more like you gave
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  Speaker 2: him a chance. Even though the leash was about this long.
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  Speaker 2: At least there was a leash, you know, it felt
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  Speaker 2: like it was just didn't matter how good he could
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  Speaker 2: have been. Nine up, nine down, nine strikeouts. Maybe he
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  Speaker 2: stays in, but they still probably go batter, but batter
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  Speaker 2: at that point, so it's like, how good does he
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  Speaker 2: have to be? I think giving up zeros is the
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  Speaker 2: way we've talked about this a lot earlier on foul Territory.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, the same thing's gonna happen with Noah.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna have to he can't even remotely give a
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  Speaker 2: whiff that a run is going to be scored or
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  Speaker 2: he's going to be out of the game. So like
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  Speaker 2: that's just kind of what happened. Maybe if my didn't
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  Speaker 2: give up the run, but like, yeah, it just felt
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  Speaker 2: very like all right, thank you for your three. And
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  Speaker 2: if I'm a starting pitcher and it didn't look like
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  Speaker 2: he was, like, well, okay, I.
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  Speaker 3: Could have given you more.
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  Speaker 2: I as a starter, you want to go out there
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  Speaker 2: and your dream is to be the one that's like,
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  Speaker 2: come on, give me the ball, privee, this ball out
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  Speaker 2: of my cold dead fingers situation. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it feels very like anticlimactic and not not. It
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  Speaker 2: didn't feel like he did your job, and I could
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  Speaker 2: see that kind of on's face, even though I think
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  Speaker 2: he did do his job.
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  Speaker 3: It's just I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's a little bit of a the story is
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  Speaker 2: not as fun if that's how pitching is always done.
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  Speaker 2: So it's just there's a lot of way things you
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  Speaker 2: can say about it. But yeah, fortunately they did win
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  Speaker 2: the game and it isn't part of the part of
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  Speaker 2: the big greater equation.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and this stuff was sharp.
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  Speaker 1: So if he does get another turn, and it's not
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  Speaker 1: a do or die game for the Tigers, right, an
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  Speaker 1: elimination scenario for them, maybe he does get a longer leash.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's spind it forward. What do you have for
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  Speaker 1: me Trevor Game five, Trek Scoogle regular rest against maybe
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  Speaker 1: a George Kirby Luis gas Stillo combination. You have to
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  Speaker 1: feel at least a little bit dejected about parts of
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  Speaker 1: your bullpen from today's game that Detroit was able to crack.
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  Speaker 1: But in other ways, of course, you'll be able to
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  Speaker 1: use munos, probably for six outs. How would you craft
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  Speaker 1: this game if you're Seattle, Because for Detroit it's hey, Trek,
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  Speaker 1: can you give me seven and change or eight so
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  Speaker 1: we can have you and vest in goodnight.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For Seattle, it's just a question of which one of
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  Speaker 2: those two guys you start and how quickly you go
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  Speaker 2: to the other one. My guest would be probably you
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  Speaker 2: start Castillo because he's has historically had good, good success
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  Speaker 2: against Detroit and he's matched up had to head with
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  Speaker 2: Trek Scoogle, which the Mariners.
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  Speaker 3: Won both times. I don't know if he factored in
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  Speaker 3: the decision, but like.
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  Speaker 2: He goes had to head, he goes toe to toe.
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  Speaker 2: That is very much his style. And I think maybe
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  Speaker 2: Kirby may may be a little bit more a tougher
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  Speaker 2: to get a like a handle on as a reliever.
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  Speaker 2: You know, throws lots of pitches, you know, really nasty stuff,
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  Speaker 2: pitches moving all over the place. And Castillo is more
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  Speaker 2: of a three pitch guy. You know what you're gonna get.
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  Speaker 2: It's just gonna be about commanding it. And he's gonna
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  Speaker 2: go right after you. So I would assume that'll be
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  Speaker 2: the way they go, and they'll play it first sign
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  Speaker 2: of first sign of danger, put in another guy, and
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  Speaker 2: then on the hitting side against Sarah Scooble.
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  Speaker 3: You did just see him.
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  Speaker 2: There is no matter how good a guy is, you know,
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  Speaker 2: school scoops throws four pitches most of the time. He's
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  Speaker 2: not out there throwing an arsenal. He's not seth logo.
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  Speaker 2: So like he can't just completely be a different pitcher.
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  Speaker 2: He's gonna do He's gonna try to do the same
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  Speaker 2: things he did to you last time. And it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: be about putting a lot of pressure on him and
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  Speaker 2: running his pitch count up. And this is do or die,
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  Speaker 2: Like you got to find a way to get on base,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that the Marriers lineup is up for
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  Speaker 2: that task. I don't anticipate this. I don't anticipate either
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  Speaker 2: start or factoring.
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  Speaker 3: Into this decision. Let's just put it that way. I
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  Speaker 3: think it's I think we.
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  Speaker 2: Got another extra inning game to come on our hands.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So, if you're scoobl and you look back at
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  Speaker 1: your last start, there was one major issue. His name
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  Speaker 1: is Jorge Polanco. He hit two home runs off of you.
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  Speaker 1: How carefully do you pitch against him? And I remember
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  Speaker 1: there was a lot of discussion about how the Mariners
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  Speaker 1: handle change ups. Well, do you change your approach at
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  Speaker 1: all and chuck the changeup more frequently than you did
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  Speaker 1: last time. I don't have the percentages in front of me,
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  Speaker 1: because maybe your best changeup is still better than a
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  Speaker 1: strength for a team, since it's Trek's Scouble's change up. Right,
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  Speaker 1: when we look at numbers for the year on how
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  Speaker 1: teams do against pitches, we're talking about all humans that pitch,
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  Speaker 1: not Terrek's Scouble like humans.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he might lean on it a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more, especially Polanco. Historically, Blanco I struggled with change
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  Speaker 2: ups a little bit more than raking balls. But for
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  Speaker 2: whatever reason, they are very intent on taking that thing
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  Speaker 2: away from him, and they've done a good job of
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  Speaker 2: that all three times he pitched against them. So I
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  Speaker 2: think he has a point if he's trying to not
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  Speaker 2: necessarily just get rid of it, obviously you can't just
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  Speaker 2: get rid of your best pitch, but trying to find
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  Speaker 2: other ways to get to get these guys out. But
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  Speaker 2: without that change up, if that change up is battled
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  Speaker 2: and taken away, the strikeout numbers go way down because
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  Speaker 2: he's it's the push and pull, the fastball and the
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  Speaker 2: change up.
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  Speaker 3: So when that happens, a lot more contact, a lot
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  Speaker 3: more hits.
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  Speaker 2: So do I anticipate him going to that strength more
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  Speaker 2: and just really trusting it and just being like, you
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  Speaker 2: know what it is, what it is, let's go right
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  Speaker 2: after him. That's very much He's a go right after
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  Speaker 2: you guy. And there might be a switch tickets flipped
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  Speaker 2: at some point where he's like, I don't care what
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  Speaker 2: you guys think is coming.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw this thing.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: And the best manners probably can do against it is
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: keep it from we keep them swinging and missing, try
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: to foul it off, trial it off, get another pitch.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: And see you see what you can do.
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: But I don't think they're under any illusions that they're like,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: we're not going to go put up eight runs on
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: Terry Scougle, Like probably not, but what we gotta do
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: is jump on and jump on them early. If we're
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: going to score plus's some runs, we got to get
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: it early in the game. And if not, we need
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: him to throw as many pitches as humanly possible because
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Troy's outside of as Detroit's bullpen's been a little leaky too,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: So get him off the mound will be their number
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: one priority.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: And if you're a Mariners fan and you somehow made
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: it through this whole conversation here, three times you've beaten
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: Trek Scoobel this year, twice in the regular season and
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: once in the postseason talking about games that he has started,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: and the result has been a Mariners win. That's a
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: good sign for Seattle. So I've got two things left
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: on my agenda. One is Seattle wins the game if what,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: And maybe we factor in the offense a little bit
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: here because there are a lot of superstars.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: It's not like they had a terrible game.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: They put up three runs, but they had really been
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: showing us something different this season. And you know, early
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: on in the postseason here, with the offense being able
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: to provide contact, timely hits and pop.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go very hyper specific. Okay, I think
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: if the game ends with Randy Rosarina with two extra
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: base hits, if he gets two.
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: Or more, maris why Okay, so Randy's I.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: Think Randy's max factor. He has been quiet. He is
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: notoriously a big game. He is not afraid of anybody,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: and I could see him leading, like clipping him in
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the first like first batter of the game, or you know,
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: getting starting off an inning. I'm putting some pressure on
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: him for the for the guys who who have been
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: really getting the job done the whole series.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: That is the way that this would.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Happen, I think, and Randy Rosania might be the key.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I think that if he does that, other guys will
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: have their opportunities to drive him in and that will
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: equate to more rocks.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, I like it.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: And lastly, thoughts on Josh Naylor's super obvious fun at
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: second base to try and tell his teammates what he
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: was seeing, whether there was deception or not. I mean,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you picked up exactly what he
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: was doing on a pitch by pitchs We didn't have
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: the nailor camp for every pitch, but they did a
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: really good job on Fox of documenting what was going on.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: So this has become a hot topic. Which did you
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: think of the way Naylor was doing it?
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was I was listening to AJ on the
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: broadcast and WNO and they were like is he doing anything?
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Is this real? Is this for show? And why would
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: you do it for show?
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: And then also what I know about Josh Naylor is
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: he would do this for show just to be annoying,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: like that's it, that's the only really reason, just to
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: get in the guy's head.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: Which if that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Were the case, mission accomplished because it was O two
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: and then he walked him. There was a couple like this,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the flicks here this is change up. Usually right like
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: this this like flick means change up. A couple of
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: times he did that, a change up was thrown and
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Mitch took swings like he was new and change up
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: was going. But then there's other times where he was
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: like like just going up and down. One time he
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: flapped his arms, the other time he went out. Sometimes
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: he went in like it's almost as if he was
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: giving the He's like, i'll give you the location if
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I can't see the pitch, but if I can't see
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: the pitch.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: I'll give you the pitch.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: That's what it felt like because Holton like gets his
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: grip and then turns his glove a little bit sometimes
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: and then change up. It's a bigger grip, so like
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: you see more hand usually and and I saw it
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: a little bit like when he comes sack kind of slowly.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: So the interesting thing was he kept looking back at
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: him and knew what he was doing. And this reminds
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: me of when Judge was doing it to Lozardo and
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: like Lazard's like or no, not Judge, it was the
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: it was sorry, it was story and the it was
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: the Red Sox, but they were doing it too, and
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: he was just looking. He knew, but like there's nothing
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: he could do because it was something to do with
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: how he's gripping the ball, not signs related. There's nothing
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: really to change. I have to change your mechanics in
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: the middle of the outing, and it's really hard to do.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: So sometimes you can go out there and you can say, hey,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: something's happening.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: Something's happening.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: You could be throwing in fake signs where a hitter
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: is like, I know those things don't mean anything, but
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: I know a couple of them do, and that's maybe
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: enough to get a guy thinking, like, am I might
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: mechanically showing anything? And as soon as the guy's thinking
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: about mechanics, it is very hard to compete.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: And that might be what's some of it is. I
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: might be.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: I know it would drive me insane. I would not
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: be sure they didn't have anything. But I don't have
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: time to think about what that might be because I
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: have to pitch like that's clever. It's pretty clever, and
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: there's not a lot of stepping off you can do now,
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: so I can't really fix it in real time. This
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: might be something needs to be dressed in the future.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you're a J.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Hinch, you might not press that button again, at least
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: for game five. I mean, you hope that you aren't
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: only using maybe two or three pitchers anyway, But I
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: would make a pretty but big bet that unless this
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: thing goes eighteen innings or something like you're saying, then
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: he might not appear in this next game, or he's
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: got to fix it really quickly if there is something
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: that they've got on him. Anyway, any thoughts that anyone
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: has from watching this drop him in the comments let
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: us know. Trevor's in the Seattle area, so it's going
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: to be super cool for Game five out there. Hey,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: they waited a long time for postseason baseball. Part of
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: postseason baseball is stress, thinking that you have a game
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: or a series one and then you don't. You had
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: a three to nothing lead. There's booing going on in Detroit.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Everyone thinks it's done, and then the game flips and
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: here we go. So we're going to a game five.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: No one said it was gonna be easy.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: No, not at all dream season for Mariners fans, but
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: that could change if they're bounced from the Alds. Anyway,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: we'll have plenty more word on that series when it
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: comes up, or that Game five when it comes up.
• 21:34
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