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The Boston Marathon Bombing · Conspiracy! The Show

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Conspiracy The Show, the world's most trusted conspiracy
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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show.
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Speaker 3: I am Adam Todd Brown.
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Speaker 4: Uh, you know, bad for the most part, but not
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Speaker 2: investigations are pending. Olivia, thank you for being here. I
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Speaker 2: feel like it's been a while since we recorded together.
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Speaker 2: I feel like, here's the thing. I recorded a bunch
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Speaker 2: of stuff ahead of time so I could take a
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Speaker 2: trip out of town.
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Speaker 3: I actually went to Indianapolis for a few days a month.
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Speaker 3: I had a lot of fun.
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Speaker 2: Good Indiana.
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Speaker 4: There is fun to be had. I rag on that
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Speaker 4: place because it's the bane of my existence and in
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Speaker 4: the height of my life. But it has a lot
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Speaker 4: of good, good qualities as well.
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Speaker 2: And uh, yeah, I recorded a bunch of stuff ahead
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Speaker 2: of time to compensate for that trip.
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Speaker 3: And now I'm like getting back to recording.
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Speaker 2: That was like a month ago, So it's actually been
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Speaker 2: a while since I've recorded with like most people. Well,
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Speaker 2: there you go, and we are back at it to
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Speaker 2: talk about a thing I'm surprised I've never talked about.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm actually shocked too. I figured you would have.
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Speaker 2: We've had plenty of years to discuss the Boston marathon bombing.
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Speaker 2: I like how I revealed that as if every podcast
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Speaker 2: doesn't just have a title when people click.
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Speaker 4: On look, it's the format of podcasts. You have to
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Speaker 4: reveal the title and subject at some point.
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Speaker 2: This happened on April fifteenth, twenty thirteen, Patriots Day.
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Speaker 3: Your favorite movie.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I did watch about an hour of the movie
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Speaker 4: because that's when I thought of watching it before the record.
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Speaker 2: It's bad. I've got that movie existed.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's because it doesn't really make any sense that
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Speaker 4: it does exist because it was made four years after
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Speaker 4: the fucking thing. Like it's such a short turnaround on
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Speaker 4: one of these like massacre movies.
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Speaker 2: It's crazy. Yeah, that said, I'm kind of interested to
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Speaker 2: watch it because I had never looked into the Boston
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Speaker 2: Marathon bombing in any real way. It's all struck me
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Speaker 2: as a pretty straightforward thing, and it still does. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: it seems like just some domestic terrorism y. It's bound
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Speaker 2: to happen.
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Speaker 5: I mean time as ordinary as something like this could
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Speaker 5: possibly be.
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Speaker 2: Right, and so I've never really looked into it. But damn,
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Speaker 2: there are some movie esque details.
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Speaker 3: To this incident.
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Speaker 2: So we're gonna go through the official version of events first,
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Speaker 2: and then we're gonna dive into some of the conspiracy
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Speaker 2: theories that popped up around the Boston marathon bombing. Gonna
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Speaker 2: warn people right up top, trigger warning skepticism. I don't
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Speaker 2: really think any of the conspiracy theories around this.
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Speaker 4: To it. Guess we do have to warn people. Yeah, Unfortunately,
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Speaker 4: I don't think info wars being like the biggest false
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Speaker 4: flags and Sandy Hook is like that creditable.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know that disappoints people sometimes, but hey,
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Speaker 2: take heart and knowing I still think Elvis faked his
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Speaker 2: death to join witness Protection. Not a total skeptic, I
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Speaker 2: would love that.
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Speaker 4: That's I've long held that I would like to watch
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Speaker 4: that movie.
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Speaker 2: Oh me too, So let's dive into the Boston marathon
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Speaker 2: bombing on April fifteenth, twenty thirteen, at two forty nine
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Speaker 2: forty three pm. That part's sort of important, I guess.
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Speaker 2: A bomb exploded outside Marathon Sports on Boylston Street, near
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Speaker 2: the finish line of the Boston Marathon. Sorry, if I'm
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Speaker 2: pronouncing Boilston wrong, it's probably like Boyston in weird local
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Speaker 2: Boston accents. Like how what is clearly wor Worcester is
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Speaker 2: like Worcester. Yeah, it's Wooster, that's not That's not what
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Speaker 2: those letters.
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Speaker 4: They only pronounce it that way to spelling Bee contestants.
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Speaker 4: That's the only reason for that.
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Speaker 3: Proper nouns shouldn't be allowed in spelling Bees.
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Speaker 4: I don't disagree necessarily.
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Speaker 2: Let's go on that tangent for half.
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Speaker 3: I think that's what this episode needs to absolutely so.
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Speaker 2: Fourteen seconds later, at two forty nine fifty seven, another
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Speaker 2: explosion happens one block further west, seven to fifty five
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Speaker 2: Oilston Street. Explosions happened nearly three hours after the winning
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Speaker 2: runner had crossed the finish line. Very courteous, but also
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Speaker 2: at a point when there were still fifty seven hundred
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Speaker 2: runners yet to finish. Yeah, and the explosions killed three
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Speaker 2: people and injured two hundred and eighty one more. One
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Speaker 2: of the details I didn't put in the notes but
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Speaker 2: that I found particularly stunning is the race like finished.
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Speaker 2: They just at one point police diverted runner to a
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Speaker 2: different course that had apparently been set up in case
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Speaker 2: of emergencies, Like they diverted everyone, because it would have
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Speaker 2: like what would you what do you do? You just
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Speaker 2: get in front of everyone and like start waving, like
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Speaker 2: stop stop stop.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fifty seven hundred people coming at you.
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Speaker 4: Like yeah, no, that's that's that's an interesting Yeah. I
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Speaker 4: never thought they must have, because you never know what
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Speaker 4: might happen along that route. There could be any number
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Speaker 4: of things that would interrupt a race like that.
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Speaker 2: And not just that, but runners kept crossing the original
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Speaker 2: finish line up until like two fifty seven. Yeah, Like,
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Speaker 2: imagine being one of those runners and that's your finish
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Speaker 2: to the Boston Marathon, right, Oh, I can see the
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Speaker 2: finish line. Also, what the fuck yeah is going with
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Speaker 2: that guy's legs.
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Speaker 4: The thing that I have had a hard time grasping
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Speaker 4: when reading about this story is like how far the
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Speaker 4: bombings were heard? Like did the other run, Like how
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Speaker 4: much do you as a person running the Boston Marathon,
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Speaker 4: know what is like ahead of you? Like, do you
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Speaker 4: do you have you even have an opportunity to stop?
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Speaker 2: And especially like the closer you are to the finish line,
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Speaker 2: like you've been running for a long time, stuff to
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Speaker 2: your psyche as experience distance.
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Speaker 4: Bro, Absolutely, I mean we're both speaking as marathon as right.
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Speaker 2: I've also read about it, but just impersonal experience because
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Speaker 2: you're nearing the end of one of the many marathons
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Speaker 2: I've run in my life, right right right, you're thinking
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Speaker 2: is going to be a little weird because you're fucking tired,
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Speaker 2: but totally yeah, yeah, you might hear that and just
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Speaker 2: be like, oh, that was weird. Yeah, anyway, carrying on
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Speaker 2: with this race, which totally because if people were still
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Speaker 2: finishing eight and it's later across that original.
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Speaker 4: Fresh line, no, it must be happening.
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Speaker 3: Because yeah, I don't know, I don't know what else
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Speaker 3: you do neither.
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Speaker 4: It's I mean, it's impossible to even think on, like
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Speaker 4: think about honestly, I can't even imagine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so, because the perpetrators were not captured immediately,
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Speaker 2: the city went into a little bit of a lockdown.
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Speaker 2: Residents were encouraged to stay off the streets. Airspace over
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Speaker 2: Boston was restricted, with departures from Logan International Airport temporarily halted.
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Speaker 3: That makes sense.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of conspiracy theories, a little mini one broke
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Speaker 2: out almost immediately when people started claiming that cell phone
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Speaker 2: service had been shut down to prevent phones from being
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Speaker 2: used as detonators for additional bombings. And the truth is
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Speaker 2: it was just cell phone lines were very congested because
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Speaker 2: people were calling their relatives to find out if they
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Speaker 2: were at the Boston Marathon and if they were okay.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and like calling the police because they heard the
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Speaker 4: explosion and like, yeah, it makes sense.
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Speaker 2: The FBI launched an investigation shortly thereafter, assisted by the ATF,
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Speaker 2: the CIA, the NCC, which is the National counter Terrorism Center.
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Speaker 3: I guess we need to look into them.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we definitely need another one of those. We all
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Speaker 4: got enough things that have that purpose in this country.
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Speaker 3: And also the DEA.
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Speaker 2: Why the DEA maybe just because they had the resources
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Speaker 2: to investigation.
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Speaker 4: If they weren't busy that day, I guess.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. There's no drugs in Boston.
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Speaker 4: No famously drug free city.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just a drug free region of the country exactly.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, not ravaged by any sort of crisis.
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Speaker 2: And initially one of the suspicions was that North Korea
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Speaker 2: did this because with US in North Korea at the time.
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Speaker 4: God Americans relationships with North Korea is that it's such
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Speaker 4: a bizarre phenomenon. They are they have never been a
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Speaker 4: threat to us, like physically, but we keep expecting them
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Speaker 4: to be.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's There's an interesting documentary out there.
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Speaker 2: I think it's called The Propaganda Game, and it's about
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Speaker 2: North Korea and how the reporting about North Korea.
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Speaker 4: Isn't an episode about that.
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Speaker 2: I think we did the.
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Speaker 4: Episode that's the that's the movie. We did the episode
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Speaker 4: about with that Spanish guy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Spanish guy. It's crazy man.
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Speaker 3: An interesting documentary.
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Speaker 2: So government officials when this happened said there was like
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Speaker 2: no indication that a terror attack of this nature was coming,
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Speaker 2: and that's probably true. But there was also this weird
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Speaker 2: incident where two years earlier, Russia, as it turns out,
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Speaker 2: reached out to the FBI for information about Tamberlin Sarnaev
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Speaker 2: twenty six and Joe Kar Sarnae of nineteen. They were
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Speaker 2: named as the suspects in this Yeah, and once they
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Speaker 2: were the FBI basically had to issue a statement and
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Speaker 2: be like, uh, we talked to them, but.
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Speaker 3: We didn't really find anything too alarming.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing you see here. I mean they probably you know,
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Speaker 4: made him turn informant and then one of their informants
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Speaker 4: got out of control. Oh no, this is a conspiracy theory.
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, that's.
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Speaker 4: Which is not in our list of conspiracy theories.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, weirdly that is not one of the common
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theories about us, which I think if they, if
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Speaker 2: anything would make sense, it would be that because they
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Speaker 2: do at one point after Russia makes this inquiry, the
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Speaker 2: sarnae of brothers like travel out of the country and
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Speaker 2: then come back, and at no point are they labeled
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Speaker 2: suspicious or labeled as a threat.
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Speaker 4: I mean, and not only that, but like we we
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Speaker 4: don't have a they don't have a manifesto, We don't
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Speaker 4: have any sort of clearly defined motive for them, and
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Speaker 4: it seems like that would be something that officials might
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Speaker 4: be interested in finding out and publicizing unless their motive
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Speaker 4: might include uh, the FBI, right.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, that's like that's the one conspiracy theory I
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Speaker 2: would be inclined to believe. Like, I don't doubt it
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Speaker 2: with Oklahoma City either, Like that's sure. One of these
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Speaker 2: suggestions is that the FBI was there, but like not
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Speaker 2: that the FBI did it. Yeah, they were just ingrained
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Speaker 2: enough in that group that they should have been able
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Speaker 2: to stop it, right, and they somehow did not. Because
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Speaker 2: that's a thing we know about the FBI. Like the
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Speaker 2: CIA gets all the credit for being like the super spy,
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Speaker 2: sure infiltrate anything.
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Speaker 4: But that's for you know, foreign entities, Like right, domestically
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Speaker 4: is the FBI.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the FBI is just domestic CIA.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Did you see Killers of the Flower Moon No, not yet.
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Speaker 4: I mean it's a spectacular movie, it's so good. But
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Speaker 4: in the both the book and the movie, that's uh.
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Speaker 4: You know, a minor thing that they part of the
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Speaker 4: way that they tackle the investigation is by and this
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Speaker 4: is like one of the first FBI investigations period, and
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Speaker 4: one of their main tactics was ingratiating people in the
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Speaker 4: communities and getting information that way.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a classic FBI thing. We covered the documentary
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Speaker 2: about the assassination of Malcolm X on this podcast. It
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Speaker 2: was me and a Tiff Myers, and in that, like
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Speaker 2: the FBI admits there were something like ten FBI agents
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Speaker 2: in the room when Malcolm X was assassinated, and like
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Speaker 2: Elijah Muhammad's like right hand man, like his number two, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: was also an FBI informant. Like the FBI is great
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Speaker 2: at that shit.
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Speaker 4: I mean there's a reason there's the jokes about like
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Speaker 4: some like certain conspicuous protests having more FBI agents than
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Speaker 4: protesters at them, Like this is like a commonly well
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Speaker 4: known thing.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. So, as this investigation progressed, Yes, it was determined
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Speaker 2: that the bombs went off were improvised pressure cooker devices
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Speaker 2: built by the bombers themselves using instructions found in al
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Speaker 2: Qaeda's Inspire magazine. I will not make the joke about
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Speaker 2: saving ten percent at checkout.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is not a good time for those for
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Speaker 4: those jokes.
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Speaker 2: I would say there is absolutely no benefit to using
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Speaker 2: on pops checkout.
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Speaker 4: That What is the funniest possible name for the al
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Speaker 4: Qaeda magazine though, Yeah, Inspire.
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Speaker 2: Like imagine being just some fucking confused dentist. Yeah magazines
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Speaker 2: to add to your waiting room collection, and you see Inspire,
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Speaker 2: a magazine about uplifting people of color. That sounds good.
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Speaker 4: Oh my god, imagine writing like puff pieces for Inspire,
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Speaker 4: you know, like, what's what's happened today in al Kada?
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Speaker 4: Well you know who's who?
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Speaker 2: Who?
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Speaker 4: Fashion watch? Do you think you do like a fashion watch?
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Speaker 4: It's so many possibilities Inspire magazine.
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Speaker 2: That's so fucking funny. We found out later these bombs
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Speaker 2: were triggered using toy car remote controls. Makes sense, cute
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Speaker 2: little detail.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a.
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Speaker 2: Survivor who was near where one of the bombs was
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Speaker 2: placed was able to provide a description of the suspects,
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Speaker 2: and FBI later released surveillance footage of the Sarnay of
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Speaker 2: brothers at the scene. I find it interesting that when
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Speaker 2: they released this footage, they were like, uh, can you
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Speaker 2: help us identify these two? And it's like you talk
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Speaker 2: to them like less than Yeah, why can't you identify them?
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Speaker 4: They're on the d L. They don't want to they
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Speaker 4: don't want to talk about that part.
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Speaker 2: About six hours after those photos were released, the Sarnay
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Speaker 2: of brothers attacked an MIT cop in an effort to
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Speaker 2: steal his gun, which is crazy because they also shot.
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Speaker 3: Him six times, which implies they had a gun.
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Speaker 4: Well, but there's two of them, so yeah.
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Speaker 3: And so of all the people.
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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you could still buy guns at Walmart
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Speaker 2: at this point, just got to take one some fucking
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Speaker 2: hapless cashier. Yeah, Like a while after a I get
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Speaker 2: that he's like a college cop and that's like not real,
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Speaker 2: But still like, why take that guy's gun?
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Speaker 4: Uh? Yeah, I don't know. I mean if it feels
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Speaker 4: like maybe they just ran into him, you know, like
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Speaker 4: it wasn't like a planned thing. They just were like, oh,
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Speaker 4: oh no, here's a guy in a uniform, we gotta
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Speaker 4: fuck him up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, could be so that guy died from his injuries
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Speaker 2: and they were ultimately unable to remove his gun because
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Speaker 2: the holster probably had like a fingerprint reader or something
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Speaker 2: on it that prevented well, that's that's why they weren't
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Speaker 2: able to get his gun, because it had some sort
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Speaker 2: of security mechanism.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like a lock. I didn't know if it
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Speaker 4: was like a finger I didn't know that they could
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Speaker 4: do fingerprint readers in those things.
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Speaker 2: It seems like that would be the fastest option.
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Speaker 4: Well, but we're also talking twenty thirteen. Was that even
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Speaker 4: like as much of the thing twenty three? But I mean, like,
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Speaker 4: but like small ones that you can like wear I think,
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Speaker 4: so I know that the past is a is an
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Speaker 4: illusion to me. This is all that's before I moved
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Speaker 4: to LA. Like, it's so much as my life has changed.
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Speaker 4: It's crazy different time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's right after I moved to LA And even
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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, what a different time, right, I was
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Speaker 2: such a different person. So he died from his injuries.
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Speaker 2: As I mentioned. After that, they carjacked a Chinese national
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Speaker 2: named Danny Meng and took him hostage with plans to
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Speaker 2: take his car to Times Square and set off more explosives.
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Speaker 3: But they also stopped for gas.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: First, that's a drive.
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Speaker 4: Is there?
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Speaker 5: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Is there a Times Square in Boston? Or they do?
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Speaker 4: They mean New York City?
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Speaker 2: They mean New York Okay, So it was going to
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Speaker 2: be to drive, and they stop to get gas, and
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Speaker 2: Danny Meng is probably very rightly afraid that they're gonna,
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Speaker 2: you know, kill him somewhere between Boston and Times Square.
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's never a great idea, to
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Speaker 4: a great feeling to be like trapped with two guys
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Speaker 4: with guns who want your car now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: And so he not only escapes and gets to a
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Speaker 2: local or another nearby gas station to ask them to
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Speaker 2: call nine to one one. But he also left his
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Speaker 2: phone in the car, and it's far enough in two
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Speaker 2: modern times where police can just track that cell phone
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Speaker 2: as it moves, and they eventually track the sarnae of
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Speaker 2: brothers down to a small town in Massachusetts called Watertown,
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Speaker 2: and at that point a goddamn movie style shootout with
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Speaker 2: police ensues. This, of course, is all according to police,
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Speaker 2: so take it with a grain of salt, yes, but
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Speaker 2: they claim the Sarnaev brothers fired fifty six times, detonated
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Speaker 2: at least one pressure cooker bomb, and threw five crude grenades,
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Speaker 2: three of which exploded. Speaking of movie style details, Tamberlin
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Speaker 2: Sarnaev's participation in the shootout ended when he ran out
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Speaker 2: of ammunition and subsequently threw his empty gun at a
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Speaker 2: nearby cop, at which point he was tackled and taken
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Speaker 2: into custody because.
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Speaker 4: They knew he didn't have a gun with bulletin anymore.
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Speaker 4: This way, you don't throw your gun at people.
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Speaker 2: Once you're throwing your gun and that like, how many
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Speaker 2: movies has that been?
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Speaker 4: It has It's such a trope, it's been made fun
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Speaker 4: of relentlessly and other things like not just by people.
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Speaker 4: But like in other movies and TV shows like Venture
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Speaker 4: Brothers has several jokes about people throwing guns, like, it's
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Speaker 4: very funny to think about it happening in real life
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Speaker 4: because it doesn't really make any sense from any tactic,
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Speaker 4: even if you're losing from a tach. It makes more
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Speaker 4: sense to hold the gun as a bludgeoning weapon than
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Speaker 4: to throw it because it's tough to like throw something
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Speaker 4: and have it like you know, do damage exactly.
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Speaker 2: And it actually gets worse for Tamerlan Sarnaev, yeah, because
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Speaker 2: his younger brother Jokar at this point gets in the
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Speaker 2: stolen suv behind the wheel and not only drives off,
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Speaker 2: but drives off in the direction of the police. And
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Speaker 2: what we find out later is that he thought he
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Speaker 2: was driving toward a bunch of cops performing CPR.
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Speaker 3: On an injured cop.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was actually driving toward the cops arresting his brother. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: And the cops try to drag his brother out of
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Speaker 2: the way of the car and they are unsuccessful. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: And so Jokar Sarnaev hits his brother with the suv
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Speaker 2: and like drags him a little bit before he finally
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Speaker 2: like just falls free. And so that's what killed Tamerlin Sarnaev. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: was him being hit by the suv driven by his brother,
22:28
Speaker 2: but his brother gets away. Yeah, And at that point
22:32
Speaker 2: authorities launch a search effort that involved cordoning off a
22:36
Speaker 2: twenty block area of Watertown, Massachusetts and sending police and
22:42
Speaker 2: squat teams door to door to search houses looking for
22:47
Speaker 2: Joekar Sarnaev.
22:49
Speaker 3: And you might be asking was that legal?
22:51
Speaker 4: Was that legal?
22:52
Speaker 2: It sure was. According to the ACLU, exigent circumstances they
22:58
Speaker 2: call it. If there is an imminent danger to the
23:01
Speaker 2: community or if a suspect's escape is imminent, police can
23:06
Speaker 2: execute warrantless searches on homes. And there's apparently like a
23:12
Speaker 2: little nuance to it where you can technically say no,
23:16
Speaker 2: sure if the police show up in this situation, but
23:20
Speaker 2: who's gonna do that?
23:21
Speaker 4: That like that would take I mean even and even
23:24
Speaker 4: if you do say no, they could be like, oh,
23:26
Speaker 4: we didn't hear you, and they're gonna come in anywhere.
23:28
Speaker 4: Like you're not gonna win an argument against a bunch
23:31
Speaker 4: of dudes in fucking swat gear. That is not how
23:34
Speaker 4: that works.
23:35
Speaker 2: And there was someone at the time who put a
23:37
Speaker 2: YouTube video up that has since been removed. Who was like, yeah,
23:41
Speaker 2: they asked, but also I had guns pointed at my
23:44
Speaker 2: face when they so like, who's gonna who's gonna turn
23:47
Speaker 2: that request down? They also there were people who questioned
23:51
Speaker 2: the legality of them issuing stay at home orders. Yeah,
23:56
Speaker 2: and we'll link to the articles. Really interesting, mostly because
24:00
Speaker 2: they bring up that that's a thing that normally happens
24:03
Speaker 2: in the case of a pandemic, people at home.
24:07
Speaker 3: But this was twenty thirteen, right.
24:09
Speaker 2: And the little nuance there that made it legal was
24:13
Speaker 2: that it wasn't mandatory. Sure, like you weren't going to
24:17
Speaker 2: get shot if you went out on the streets during
24:20
Speaker 2: that stay at home order, but in this case, you
24:23
Speaker 2: probably might.
24:24
Speaker 4: Have been probably definitely going to get shot if you
24:29
Speaker 4: fucked up on this day.
24:30
Speaker 2: And what's crazy is all of these warrantless searches yield
24:35
Speaker 2: zero results, right, but they still end up finding Joe
24:39
Speaker 2: kr Sarnaev at someone's house. Yeah, he was just hiding
24:43
Speaker 2: in the boat parked outside, Which, how do you not
24:45
Speaker 2: look there?
24:47
Speaker 4: I would definitely look there. Before the house.
24:49
Speaker 2: The homeowner noticed that the tarp covering was a little
24:53
Speaker 2: bit loose and was like, well, that's strange, And he
24:56
Speaker 2: looked under and saw a body laying in a pool
24:59
Speaker 2: of yeah, and so he called the police. The police
25:03
Speaker 2: surround the boat and shot at it for anywhere from
25:07
Speaker 2: a few minutes to like a goddamn hour, depending on
25:11
Speaker 2: who you ask. And it was initially claimed that Sarnaeev
25:15
Speaker 2: was shooting back right and that he started firing and
25:18
Speaker 2: that's why they shot. But then when he was taken
25:21
Speaker 2: into custody, he didn't have a gun, so that story
25:25
Speaker 2: kind of fell apart.
25:26
Speaker 4: I just love to think about, like you're forty five
25:29
Speaker 4: minutes into this gun like and then like people are
25:33
Speaker 4: just popping off the occasional round at this point, the
25:37
Speaker 4: long stream of gunfires that, but every one abody's like eh, yeah,
25:42
Speaker 4: and there's like still fifteen minutes left.
25:45
Speaker 2: And what it ended up being is a thing that
25:50
Speaker 2: we also saw at like Waco, Yeah, where one person
25:54
Speaker 2: shot when he shouldn't have and then what happened next
25:58
Speaker 2: is called contagious fire, where everyone's in this high stress
26:03
Speaker 2: situation guns pointed and they hear one shot and they're
26:07
Speaker 2: like fucking go time. Yeah. And I don't remember was
26:11
Speaker 2: it Waco or Ruby Ridge. It's crazy that the government
26:15
Speaker 2: did that like twice in the span of two years.
26:17
Speaker 2: But I think it was Ruby Ridge where they had
26:21
Speaker 2: the cabin surrounded and like one guy shot at a
26:25
Speaker 2: dog yeah, and everyone else was like, all right, time.
26:29
Speaker 3: To shoot and just start shooting the fucking house up.
26:32
Speaker 4: I mean that sounds more like Ruby Ridge than Waco.
26:35
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, that's basically not that's not really how Waco
26:38
Speaker 4: exactly went down, but close, I mean, but I think
26:41
Speaker 4: that it was super far off.
26:43
Speaker 3: I think there was like some contagious gun five.
26:46
Speaker 4: Oh absolutely, no, there definitely was. It was I just.
26:49
Speaker 3: Don't think that.
26:50
Speaker 2: I think it was Ruby Ridge where a dog launsed it.
26:52
Speaker 2: Either way, that's what happens here too. And Sarnaev gets
26:58
Speaker 2: shot in the head, legs and hand.
27:02
Speaker 4: Oh good, but he survived. That's crazy. It's always crazy
27:07
Speaker 4: because it happens occasionally. But it's always crazy when someone
27:10
Speaker 4: gets shot in the head and then survives, like that
27:14
Speaker 4: just is never nuts, not nuts.
27:16
Speaker 3: And that's the thing.
27:17
Speaker 2: There were so many conspiracy theory voices at the time
27:21
Speaker 2: were like, here's what's gonna happen next. They're gonna say
27:23
Speaker 2: there's another suspect out there, but he's gonna be shot
27:26
Speaker 2: dead before they have a chance to talk. To him
27:28
Speaker 2: and in this case, they tried to shoot him dead
27:32
Speaker 2: and it failed. Yeah, but then what like he didn't
27:36
Speaker 2: know nothing about him talking like what shook the world
27:40
Speaker 2: to its clay?
27:41
Speaker 4: What are the answers?
27:43
Speaker 5: Like?
27:43
Speaker 4: What the answers? Are you going to really get it?
27:46
Speaker 4: You know, there's never real like with something like this,
27:49
Speaker 4: you know, the reasons are never as coherent as the
27:54
Speaker 4: emotion behind it. Like just it's this guy's pissed off.
27:57
Speaker 2: And also the suggest question that oh, well, police are
28:02
Speaker 2: going to kill him because he's got stuff to say
28:04
Speaker 2: that the authorities don't want to come out. That's such
28:07
Speaker 2: an easy guess because the police kill people in situations
28:12
Speaker 2: like this. This is a guy who has killed a cop,
28:16
Speaker 2: yeah already, yes, and has fired at several other cops,
28:21
Speaker 2: probably injured a bunch of other cops, and now a
28:25
Speaker 2: bunch of angry cops have him surrounded and they are
28:29
Speaker 2: just waiting for the moment when they can get some
28:32
Speaker 2: retribution for the killing the cops.
28:34
Speaker 4: And then they do, and they do.
28:37
Speaker 2: And so to be like the police are going to
28:40
Speaker 2: kill him because there's something to hide, it's like, no,
28:42
Speaker 2: the police are going to kill him because the police
28:44
Speaker 2: are police police exactly, And in this case, it just failed.
28:49
Speaker 4: It's just doesn't work, not for lack of trying.
28:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, he didn't like reveal the details of some nefarious
28:56
Speaker 2: plot after he was not because he's just.
28:58
Speaker 4: Some angry, fucking asshole, just some moron who got found
29:03
Speaker 4: his excuse for violence.
29:06
Speaker 2: Like, I'm still inclined to believe a lot of conspiracy
29:09
Speaker 2: theories about the government actually start with the government. Yeah,
29:13
Speaker 2: because in a case like this, you send all these
29:17
Speaker 2: people off on Oh well, what was really behind this?
29:20
Speaker 2: What was the government's thinking in this when the question
29:24
Speaker 2: you should be asking.
29:24
Speaker 3: Is why was this dude so mad?
29:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, because people aren't mad at the United States because
29:30
Speaker 2: of our freedom, right, I know. That's what we started
29:33
Speaker 2: saying after nine to eleven, was they're just mad that
29:36
Speaker 2: we get to like put titties on magazine covers or whatever.
29:40
Speaker 4: And luckily all of that rhetoric is dead and has
29:43
Speaker 4: not been resurrected in any capacity in the last.
29:46
Speaker 3: Most Yeah, not at all. Things are so chill for
29:49
Speaker 3: Muslims in this country.
29:51
Speaker 2: Yep. And so a police source eventually said the shots
29:56
Speaker 2: were fired in the fog of war. Yeah, totally, buddy, Like,
30:01
Speaker 2: oh wow, okay, and Sarnayev was tried and eventually convicted
30:07
Speaker 2: on thirty different charges and sentenced to death, but the
30:11
Speaker 2: death sentence was eventually overturned on the grounds that a
30:14
Speaker 2: judge's refusal to move the case to a different city
30:17
Speaker 2: meant he couldn't get a fair trial.
30:19
Speaker 3: And I agree with.
30:21
Speaker 4: That absolutely at one. I mean, for one thing, the
30:24
Speaker 4: death finality is literally never justified. But even still, like,
30:30
Speaker 4: especially in this case, you're trying the man in fucking Boston,
30:34
Speaker 4: are you kidding me? Like, you can't fucking do that.
30:38
Speaker 4: That's not out that words.
30:40
Speaker 2: You probably can't get a fair shoplifting trial if you're
30:43
Speaker 2: a Muslim in Boston at this point, Lily Jesus, So, again,
30:49
Speaker 2: this seems like a pretty straightforward thing, like this eventually
30:53
Speaker 2: was chalked up to extremist beliefs. They were never tied
30:57
Speaker 2: to any specific group, Nope.
31:00
Speaker 3: And that all seems to track.
31:02
Speaker 2: But also a ton of conspiracy theories started popping up
31:06
Speaker 2: after this, and you got to take into account this
31:09
Speaker 2: is twenty thirteen, so info Wars is like the height
31:13
Speaker 2: of their powers, Like this is right before social media
31:17
Speaker 2: networks start cracking down on cracking down on misinformation. Sure,
31:23
Speaker 2: at least misinformation they can't profit well of course, naturally. Yeah.
31:28
Speaker 2: I brought up an example on last week's Bonus episode
31:32
Speaker 2: about Google and the plandemic video. I did an episode
31:37
Speaker 2: about the plandemic video, and when I was searching for
31:41
Speaker 2: it on Google, the conservatives were right. If you just
31:45
Speaker 2: check the Google search results, you could go for pages
31:48
Speaker 2: and pages and pages and not find an actual link
31:51
Speaker 2: to plandemic. But Olivia, you know where I found it
31:54
Speaker 2: in a sponsored ad at the top of the page.
31:57
Speaker 2: So Google would take money to let pandemic, They're just
32:01
Speaker 2: not going to promote.
32:02
Speaker 4: It for oh man, that's very.
32:05
Speaker 3: Funny, classic classic.
32:09
Speaker 4: Tech, classic tech. Not really at all, not at all.
32:15
Speaker 2: And so the conspiracy theories, given that this was twenty thirteen,
32:19
Speaker 2: just come in fucking hot and heavy right away. Yeah.
32:23
Speaker 2: The first was that this was a false flag, and
32:26
Speaker 2: that came from infra Wars correspondent Dan bid Nandi, who
32:31
Speaker 2: asked the following question at a fucking press conference held
32:35
Speaker 2: by the Massachusetts government over this incident. Is this another
32:41
Speaker 2: false flag staged attack to take our civil liberties and
32:44
Speaker 2: promote homeland security while sticking their hands down our pants
32:48
Speaker 2: on the streets.
32:49
Speaker 4: What imagine if the.
32:51
Speaker 3: Guy had been like, yeah, it is Boston Globe.
32:55
Speaker 2: Next question would that.
32:57
Speaker 4: Be, do you think that info Wars would even be
33:02
Speaker 4: like mentally able to consider that a victory if that happened,
33:07
Speaker 4: Like I don't know if their brains would be able
33:10
Speaker 4: to compute like just a straightforward yes answer to this
33:15
Speaker 4: insane question. Like the phrasing of this question is so
33:21
Speaker 4: bug nuts.
33:22
Speaker 2: And what civil liberties are we going to lose over this?
33:25
Speaker 2: We can't carry pressure cookers around in public.
33:28
Speaker 4: I will say, here's the thing I like when it
33:31
Speaker 4: comes to info Wars, especially during this time period, like
33:34
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, sure they are going to use this
33:38
Speaker 4: attack to like they diviolate those civil liberties that we
33:43
Speaker 4: just talked about the cops illegally searching houses. I mean,
33:46
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, legally searching houses like you know, sure, but
33:53
Speaker 4: that doesn't But you sound like a lunatic when you're like,
33:56
Speaker 4: is this another false flag? Like what this? It's just insane?
34:02
Speaker 2: And again that's like such low hanging fruit because you know,
34:05
Speaker 2: the government has a long, long, long history of in
34:09
Speaker 2: response to things like this, Yeah, they do kind of
34:12
Speaker 2: strip away or civil liberties, but it's not that they
34:16
Speaker 2: strip them away. We give them away, right, it's in
34:19
Speaker 2: exchange for safety from stuff, right, this exactly, And so
34:24
Speaker 2: it's really easy to be that conspiracy theory guy who's like, look,
34:28
Speaker 2: what's going to happen next, We're going to start losing
34:31
Speaker 2: civil liberties. And it's like, yeah, it's because that's the
34:34
Speaker 2: actual United States we live in, right, Like, that's just
34:37
Speaker 2: what we do. So you're not like predicting anything, You're
34:41
Speaker 2: not right.
34:41
Speaker 4: About anything, no, exactly. And also like, obviously we know
34:45
Speaker 4: from how their politics play out in the long run
34:49
Speaker 4: that they're not actually worried about civil liberties getting stripped
34:53
Speaker 4: away from everybody, just from you know, the people that
34:56
Speaker 4: they think about and care about and matter. Like they
35:01
Speaker 4: care about white people losing civil liberties, they don't really
35:04
Speaker 4: care about anybody else losing civil liberties.
35:07
Speaker 2: Correct. This was a theory that was also pushed by
35:10
Speaker 2: then New Hampshire state legislator Stella Tremblay, who seems like
35:15
Speaker 2: she deserves an entire episode all into herself. Yeah.
35:20
Speaker 4: I was not familiar with her before reading about her
35:22
Speaker 4: in these notes, and she's a character.
35:25
Speaker 2: She took this claim a step further and as evidence
35:29
Speaker 2: to prove that this was a false flag attack. There
35:33
Speaker 2: was one guy who lost both of his legs in
35:36
Speaker 2: this bomb, and she was like, that looks fake. He's
35:40
Speaker 2: probably faking those injuries totally. Do you think he's faking
35:44
Speaker 2: losing both legs.
35:46
Speaker 4: He blew them off on purpose to make to make
35:50
Speaker 4: his son safe.
35:52
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was a fucking character.
35:54
Speaker 2: In addition to the Boston Marathon claims, she also once
35:58
Speaker 2: emailed a doctored video of Obama admitting and I put
36:03
Speaker 2: that in airport that he was not born in the
36:06
Speaker 2: United States to her other three hundred and ninety nine
36:10
Speaker 2: state House members, saying it was sufficient evidence to open
36:14
Speaker 2: an investigation. She also had a history adviser on her
36:18
Speaker 2: staff claimed Abe Lincoln one dissolved the United States and
36:24
Speaker 2: two never freed the slaves, and also Queen Elizabeth the
36:29
Speaker 2: iond still controls the US government.
36:32
Speaker 4: Now, these are the kinds of conspiracies that I honestly
36:35
Speaker 4: don't mind at all, because what's the harm that it's
36:41
Speaker 4: just so outside in divorced from reality that you know,
36:45
Speaker 4: you're just making up historical fan fiction.
36:48
Speaker 2: At this point.
36:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, Like, Okay, so Abe Lincoln dissolved the United States,
36:55
Speaker 4: so where are you living right now.
36:59
Speaker 2: I mean that you're you're just like free to secede
37:03
Speaker 2: without like you don't you just don't have it. Government
37:07
Speaker 2: mechanisms you can get like okay, our own country.
37:10
Speaker 4: Now, absolutely, go ahead, please please do. I would love
37:14
Speaker 4: to see it, Like that's that's what that's my response, Like, okay, sure,
37:19
Speaker 4: have fun. See what happens.
37:21
Speaker 2: I'm getting invaded by the National Guard of the other
37:24
Speaker 2: forty nine states.
37:26
Speaker 4: They wouldn't even need the entire National Guard. They get
37:30
Speaker 4: one reservist s base out there and they're fine.
37:34
Speaker 2: Jesus. So there's always in a situation like this going
37:39
Speaker 2: to be a conspiracy theory that claims, well, the organizers
37:42
Speaker 2: knew this was going to happen.
37:43
Speaker 4: Sure, and that is an extremely human reaction to something like.
37:48
Speaker 2: This, and they obviously just let it happen. And it's
37:51
Speaker 2: like why they let it happen?
37:53
Speaker 4: It doesn't make any sense in this case.
37:56
Speaker 2: That theory was based on an interview that will link
38:00
Speaker 2: to where there is a witness who was at the
38:03
Speaker 2: Boston Marathon. He was running in the Boston Marathon, he
38:06
Speaker 2: finished before the bomb went off, and at the very
38:09
Speaker 2: end of his interview with this local Alabama news outlet.
38:13
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, the morning of they had bomb
38:15
Speaker 2: sniffing dogs by the start of the race, like at
38:20
Speaker 2: the start line of the race. And I've never seen
38:23
Speaker 2: that before. I've been to a bunch of marathons and
38:25
Speaker 2: I've never seen that. So that was weird. And people
38:28
Speaker 2: are like, see, and it's like, man, bomb sniffing dogs
38:33
Speaker 2: are at every fucking major event, whether you see them
38:37
Speaker 2: or not, Like it's a big enough event, especially post
38:41
Speaker 2: nine to eleven someone's checking for goddamn bombs exactly.
38:45
Speaker 4: They had fucking I don't know, I didn't see a
38:48
Speaker 4: bomb sniffing dog. They had huge gated security at alien Con.
38:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've been to several events at Sofi Stadia
39:00
Speaker 2: and not one single time have I not passed a
39:03
Speaker 2: gaggle of bomb sniffing dogs. Yeah, and it's like a
39:07
Speaker 2: cab includes dogs, but they also look like such good boys.
39:10
Speaker 4: It's not their fault. They're they're victims as well.
39:13
Speaker 3: Yeah.
39:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's my basic stance on police dogs. They
39:17
Speaker 4: are they are victims of the state.
39:19
Speaker 2: True. Yeah, I'll take that. And yeah, they're like just
39:22
Speaker 2: because this guy had never seen them at a marathon
39:25
Speaker 2: doesn't mean yeah, they doesn't mean the organizers planned the
39:32
Speaker 2: Boston Marathon bombing to what And like imagine being an
39:36
Speaker 2: organizer of the Boston Marathon being like, you know what,
39:39
Speaker 2: it would be cool this year, Yeah bombs, Yeah, like
39:43
Speaker 2: fighter works bigger, Yeah, that'll help our event thrive in
39:47
Speaker 2: the future.
39:48
Speaker 4: And then like and then like you're sitting down to
39:50
Speaker 4: plan the next Boston Marathon. Oh oh, no one wants
39:55
Speaker 4: to come to our marathon anymore.
39:58
Speaker 2: And there's always the claim, and they make it here
40:01
Speaker 2: too that oh, well, they were running a drill before this,
40:04
Speaker 2: and it's like, why the fuck would you plan something
40:06
Speaker 2: like this and run a drill ahead of time?
40:10
Speaker 4: Well, you want to let everyone know that there will
40:12
Speaker 4: be an explosion.
40:14
Speaker 3: There's also the naked man conspiracy.
40:16
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
40:18
Speaker 3: And here's what this is based on.
40:20
Speaker 2: In a situation like this, where the police are involved
40:23
Speaker 2: in a man hunt, yes, and they're already fucking high
40:29
Speaker 2: strung emotional level that they go into their day to
40:33
Speaker 2: day work with, right is so much more heightened. What
40:37
Speaker 2: sometimes happens is they target the wrong person when they're
40:42
Speaker 2: conducting their man hunt, and in this case, there is
40:46
Speaker 2: grainy ass video of them taking a naked guy into
40:51
Speaker 2: custody who looks a little bit like Tamalan Sarnaev. The
40:56
Speaker 2: reason he's naked is because the police told him to
40:58
Speaker 2: get naked because they were worried he might have bombs
41:02
Speaker 2: on him or something like. They put flat jackets on
41:05
Speaker 2: before they approached him. And it was just a dude
41:07
Speaker 2: who was in the wrong place at the wrong time,
41:09
Speaker 2: sitting in his car, who.
41:11
Speaker 3: Sort of looked like one of the Sarneev brothers.
41:13
Speaker 4: Wrong wrong place, wrong time, wrong complexion.
41:17
Speaker 2: And he actually got off kind of easy because I
41:20
Speaker 2: will remind people that when the LAPD was doing a
41:26
Speaker 2: manhunt for Christopher Dorner, and I think this was actually
41:29
Speaker 2: the Torrance PD that did this because it happened in Torrance.
41:32
Speaker 2: But Torrance p D and LAPD, that's that's like Peanut
41:35
Speaker 2: Butter and Joey, Like the torrent are the cops that
41:39
Speaker 2: rough up NWA and straight out of content. It's not
41:42
Speaker 2: even the LAPD.
41:43
Speaker 3: So Torrance p.
41:44
Speaker 4: D are basically the LA Torrance is part of LA.
41:49
Speaker 2: Absolutely and so Torrance PD at one point during the
41:53
Speaker 2: Christopher Dorner manhunt, shot up two Asian women who were
41:58
Speaker 2: delivering newspapers because they were driving an suv similar to
42:03
Speaker 2: one that was tied to Christopher Dorner. And I think
42:06
Speaker 2: they were like by a cops house or something. Sure,
42:10
Speaker 2: and so they killed two Asian women in the manhunt
42:13
Speaker 2: for Christopher Dorner. So if they can make fast mistake,
42:17
Speaker 2: this is a much easier mistake to make. And it's
42:21
Speaker 2: just mind boggling that this guy didn't get shot.
42:24
Speaker 4: It's yes, he's lucky in that sense.
42:28
Speaker 2: And I think it's probably they probably knew there were
42:31
Speaker 2: cameras around, sure, because the footage was shot by a
42:36
Speaker 2: CNN reporter. Yeah, so that's probably why things went so smooth.
42:41
Speaker 2: There weren't any reporters, right, they found Joe car in
42:45
Speaker 2: that boat. Yes, there's also the New York Post conspiracy.
42:50
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is one of the This is one of
42:53
Speaker 4: the larger lasting like legacies of this bombing. I think
42:57
Speaker 4: is that again, people were so quick to jump on
43:01
Speaker 4: any lead that they went after people who didn't do anything.
43:05
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, The New York Post just straight up put
43:08
Speaker 2: two people's pictures on the cover of their newspaper and
43:12
Speaker 2: we're like, these are the suspects, this is who did it.
43:15
Speaker 2: And they identified one of them as a Saudi national
43:20
Speaker 2: and they were actually like Moroccan born high school kids
43:25
Speaker 2: who just lived in the area and like ran track,
43:28
Speaker 2: hence their interest in the Boston Marathon. Like this was
43:33
Speaker 2: debunked by other media outlets almost immediately, right. I think
43:37
Speaker 2: it was Gawker that was like, Hey, go to that
43:40
Speaker 2: kid's Facebook page and tell me how much more bomber
43:43
Speaker 2: that person looks like like he was posting pictures of
43:46
Speaker 2: himself at the Boston Marathon. Sure, and they were cleared
43:51
Speaker 2: by media outlets, but people have like carried this on
43:55
Speaker 2: and like there's suggestions that like John Kerrey and Obama
44:00
Speaker 2: both met with like Saudi officials after this happened, and
44:04
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, I bet if an American media outlet
44:07
Speaker 2: identified the Boston Marathon bomber as a Saudi national. I
44:12
Speaker 2: bet Saudi Arabia had some questions. One of them mean,
44:15
Speaker 2: why aren't you asking about nine to eleven.
44:20
Speaker 4: And then saying thank you for not asking about nine eleven. Yeah,
44:25
Speaker 4: here's some more money.
44:26
Speaker 3: They're like, you know what, we'll take credit for this one.
44:30
Speaker 3: It's fine.
44:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, so small potatoes, yea, Yeah, Saudi Arabia probably did
44:35
Speaker 2: nine to eleven. Yeah, there's also Uncle Rasalan, who he
44:40
Speaker 2: is an interesting figure. Yeah, there's a conspiracy theory site
44:45
Speaker 2: of the day. We'll link to their investigation. Ruslan Sarni.
44:50
Speaker 2: He was an uncle of the Sarnaev brothers, and it
44:54
Speaker 2: seems like he was rightly identified as kind of a
44:57
Speaker 2: bad dude. Yeah, with some unsaid Avery connections. But I
45:02
Speaker 2: invite anyone, We'll link to the article. I invite anyone
45:06
Speaker 2: to read it and tell me where it says what
45:09
Speaker 2: that has to do with these bombers. It's all just
45:14
Speaker 2: can you believe how bad this guy is? You can
45:18
Speaker 2: you believe the connections he has? And it's like, wait
45:21
Speaker 2: till you hear about ben Laden's connections. That should raise
45:27
Speaker 2: some eyebrows too, And like there's nothing in this article.
45:33
Speaker 2: I was shocked it still exists, Yeah, because like that's
45:36
Speaker 2: one of the big lies about the internet as well.
45:38
Speaker 2: Once it's on the Internet, it's there forever bullshit. Not
45:41
Speaker 2: if someone stops paying their go Daddy hosting fees.
45:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, real quick, so much lost stuff on the Internet.
45:49
Speaker 3: But this article still out there, you can go read it.
45:52
Speaker 2: It's interesting, Like if everything they say is true, this
45:55
Speaker 2: guy does seem like a shady character, but there's nothing
45:59
Speaker 2: in the art to coll about what that, like, what
46:02
Speaker 2: would have motivated them to act on his behalf to
46:06
Speaker 2: bomb the Boston marathon.
46:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's lots of bad people in the world, but
46:11
Speaker 4: they don't all commit terrorist acts.
46:15
Speaker 2: Right, and the last one I want to talk about.
46:18
Speaker 2: There's a few more. But there was also this conspiracy
46:21
Speaker 2: theory about memorial pages being set up before the bombing
46:25
Speaker 2: actually happened. And this is an easy one Facebook, at
46:28
Speaker 2: least at the time. If you set up a page,
46:31
Speaker 2: you could decide when it was launched what date the
46:35
Speaker 2: public saw. So you could launch a Facebook page today
46:39
Speaker 2: but set the launch date to show as the day before,
46:43
Speaker 2: for example. And so there were a couple Facebook memorial
46:47
Speaker 2: pages that were set up a little too early in
46:49
Speaker 2: people's opinion, and that is proof of a conspiracy, which
46:54
Speaker 2: I think leads to an obvious question, why would you
46:56
Speaker 2: set up a memorial page if people doing the conspiracy?
47:01
Speaker 4: You don't, Yeah, you don't have to do that. Facebook,
47:05
Speaker 4: Like this is twenty thirteen. Facebook is technically still new
47:08
Speaker 4: at this point, Like, you know, fairly new at this point.
47:11
Speaker 4: Like it's like at the height of its powers, exactly
47:16
Speaker 4: less than ten years old. So like you do not
47:19
Speaker 4: like if you're doing a conspiracy, you have no reason
47:22
Speaker 4: to make memorial pages at all. So you know, this
47:27
Speaker 4: doesn't really follow And like, I just it's just it's
47:31
Speaker 4: a thing that we run into where people are just
47:33
Speaker 4: like these people are all powerful and all knowing, and
47:37
Speaker 4: they do all of these insanely intricate conspiracies and they
47:40
Speaker 4: left all of the clues to find.
47:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, that part is always inexplicable, Like why would they
47:49
Speaker 2: leave clues? It doesn't make any sense.
47:52
Speaker 4: This is such an easy if they are that, if
47:55
Speaker 4: they are that clever in their planning, why wouldn't they
48:00
Speaker 4: think of this part?
48:01
Speaker 2: And I'm curious what civil liberties did we lose because
48:07
Speaker 2: of the Boston marathon bombing?
48:10
Speaker 4: Right, none, not because of they we were. It just
48:14
Speaker 4: demonstrated which ones we were already losing because of the
48:17
Speaker 4: Patriot Act in the war on terror.
48:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a Hoover Institution article about it,
48:24
Speaker 2: and like, I get that, that's I mean, that sounds
48:28
Speaker 2: like an official outlet, But it seems like their only
48:31
Speaker 2: point is what's going to lead to increased surveillance and
48:36
Speaker 2: more racial and ethnic profiling totally, And it's like, yeah,
48:40
Speaker 2: because the United States needs a push in that direction.
48:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, we weren't doing that already, that's for sure.
48:46
Speaker 2: That actually seems mostly unrelated to me, like nine to
48:52
Speaker 2: eleven put all that shit in place, if nothing else, Yes,
48:56
Speaker 2: there's there's to quote the Foo Fighters third album, there
49:00
Speaker 2: there's nothing left to lose, like the government's been spying
49:05
Speaker 2: on us for a long time. I don't like, I don't,
49:07
Speaker 2: I don't. I can't imagine, like what kind of additional
49:10
Speaker 2: impact the Boston marathon bombing really would have had none,
49:15
Speaker 2: and especially like not in a way that the government
49:17
Speaker 2: couldn't have just done on their own anyway, exactly from
49:22
Speaker 2: happening right, This government operates unchecked absolutely.
49:28
Speaker 4: If you even try to check them on anything in
49:33
Speaker 4: any capacity, even by refusing to vote, people will freak
49:38
Speaker 4: out at you about it. So yeah, no, this is
49:42
Speaker 4: not a thing that changed anything.
49:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the Boston marathon bombing is what
49:49
Speaker 2: made us all put ring doorbell exactly. It's Amazon outfits
49:57
Speaker 2: all of their vans with surveillance, ca like this had
50:01
Speaker 2: nothing to do like we were headed that way anyway.
50:05
Speaker 2: This just like it gives people something to talk about. Yeah,
50:09
Speaker 2: content basically.
50:11
Speaker 3: Case in point, this episode that we're doing.
50:13
Speaker 4: Right, Hey, at least we're ten years on making the content.
50:17
Speaker 1: You know.
50:18
Speaker 4: It's like these people are like in the heat of
50:21
Speaker 4: the moment being like it's all fake.
50:24
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're more critiquing the content, and even
50:27
Speaker 2: the content from the Hoover Institute.
50:29
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, this.
50:30
Speaker 2: Is gonna get more government for mainlance, Like they can
50:33
Speaker 2: also shut up.
50:34
Speaker 4: And again, none of these even come like we we
50:37
Speaker 4: found our own conspiracy in this episode of that they
50:40
Speaker 4: were probably FBI informants, Like.
50:43
Speaker 5: Honestly, like the more that I've thought about that, as
50:46
Speaker 5: we've talked about this, like the more that I just
50:49
Speaker 5: am going back to, Yeah, no, they were probably FBI informants,
50:52
Speaker 5: and that's why we never really learned anything concrete about
50:55
Speaker 5: them at all, even though we do their names and
50:59
Speaker 5: like we you apparently knew there. It just doesn't make
51:02
Speaker 5: any sense.
51:03
Speaker 2: So yeah, And the one one of the articles will
51:06
Speaker 2: link to that talks about that idea of well, why
51:09
Speaker 2: didn't the FBI like flag them when they came back
51:12
Speaker 2: into the country. Yeah, this article dismisses it as people
51:16
Speaker 2: like giving government bureaucracy too much credit. Sure, and that's
51:20
Speaker 2: always such a lazy argument. To me, the idea that, oh,
51:23
Speaker 2: the government's not organized enough to pull off stuff like this,
51:27
Speaker 2: and it's like tell it to private prisons.
51:29
Speaker 4: Like, I don't think that the government is organized enough
51:32
Speaker 4: to pull off some of the things that you know,
51:35
Speaker 4: we've talked about as far as conspiracies go. But I
51:38
Speaker 4: don't think that what you know, then, being an FBI
51:41
Speaker 4: informant necessarily means that they are like that. I don't
51:45
Speaker 4: think that requires any sort of complexity. That's business as
51:48
Speaker 4: usual for them. Yeah, so it's not like they're doing
51:52
Speaker 4: anything out of the ordinary to make this a conspiracy
51:55
Speaker 4: quote unquote.
51:57
Speaker 2: Now, even though none of the stuff we've talked about
52:00
Speaker 2: so far seems to hold any weight, we are on
52:03
Speaker 2: next week's bonus episode covering another Boston Marathon related investigation
52:10
Speaker 2: that seems like it might be a.
52:11
Speaker 3: Little more compelling.
52:13
Speaker 2: Yeah.
52:14
Speaker 3: There is a recent documentary series it's on Hulu right now,
52:18
Speaker 3: called The Murders Before the Marathon, and it's about journalist
52:22
Speaker 3: Susan Zeukend and her investigation into whether a triple homicide
52:27
Speaker 3: that happened shortly before the marathon bombings was one perpetrated
52:33
Speaker 3: by the Sarnae of brothers and two whether if police
52:37
Speaker 3: had investigated that murder a little more thoroughly, could that
52:42
Speaker 3: have prevented the Boston marathon bombing.
52:45
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the idea being well, they would have been
52:48
Speaker 2: in custody for this, and it probably would have stopped
52:51
Speaker 2: the even bigger tragedy that happened next.
52:53
Speaker 3: Although in terms of body count three to three both times.
52:58
Speaker 4: That is true, that is you both times. Yeah, that's
53:02
Speaker 4: an interesting theory. I'm looking forward to watching that movie.
53:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know anything about it, and at first
53:08
Speaker 2: I was assuming like maybe Uncle Rosalind is involved in that,
53:12
Speaker 2: but it seems like he's not. It seems like he's
53:14
Speaker 2: not a part of that story, but we'll find out.
53:18
Speaker 2: I have not seen it going in cold.
53:21
Speaker 4: I mean it on the just on the surface, it
53:24
Speaker 4: makes sense that two murderers might murder more people.
53:28
Speaker 2: Yes, soally, and we will be covering that with a
53:33
Speaker 2: special guest, Heather Maroulei nice. We have a guest next time,
53:37
Speaker 2: so that's fun. And yeah, in the meantime, I don't
53:40
Speaker 2: believe any of these conspiracy theories about the Boston marathon bombing,
53:43
Speaker 2: except the one that they might the weekend yep, And
53:47
Speaker 2: I think that's our episode.
53:48
Speaker 3: Olivia, thank you.
53:49
Speaker 4: So much, Thank you, this is fun.
53:51
Speaker 3: For doing the pod.
53:53
Speaker 2: What do we have to plug before we get out
53:57
Speaker 2: of here? Yeah?
53:59
Speaker 3: I have Adam Todd Brown dot substack dot com. That's
54:02
Speaker 3: all I got, Olivia, what about him?
54:05
Speaker 4: My my Twitter is locked currently free Palestine. No, I'm
54:11
Speaker 4: just saying that's my plug, Free Palestine.
54:14
Speaker 3: I concur and I think that's it.
54:15
Speaker 2: Should we get the fuck out of here? We should,
54:18
Speaker 2: Olivia say goodbye bye, goodbye everybody.
54:22
Speaker 3: We love you, people of frying.
54:29
Speaker 5: It has to be