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Yo, yo, yo, welcome back to banter with the boys fast laps back from summer break
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We kind of forgot there's a show actually, but here we are
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two of us
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Calls out busy and Tyler as you remember is going to be taking some time away as he welcomes another
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Children having a kid
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Children in into the world but with us obviously is Joe our co-host perfect
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Joe first off. How's your week been and then I'll have a follow-up question
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So, you know, that's a plane in for a call for how my how my week's been. It's you know, Tuesday
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It's pretty decent weather, you know, I don't have any you know, I mean I don't really work outdoors
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I have anything to do with outdoors. So it doesn't really matter much to me, but the weather's good
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Yeah, whether it's good. So yeah, whether it's good so far. It's good for the car. It's good for your car
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I feel good with the cooler weather. Oh, I mean, yeah
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Yeah, I mean, it's I take I take summer weather over snow any day and then yeah, Minnesota State Fair is coming up
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That's this week as well. So, you know, um, yeah ramping up to some some fun getting close to August
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Are you gonna get to the fair? I am actually we're doing a team out and at work. So I will get I will get there once
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Yeah, all right, sweet sweet. What's your favorite food at the fair? Is it on a stick?
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My in previous years, it's been like fried. Yeah, it's been like fried pickles or the sweet Martha's cookies
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You just can't go to sweet Mars is yeah, that's a you get the bucket
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Of course
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So for those that don't know at the Minnesota State Fair you get sweet Martha's cookies at the bucket
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like an ice cream bucket kind of but then they fill that up and then they pile more cookies on top of it so you got
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to eat like
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20 cookies seriously shut the thing. Yeah 10 to 15 just to shut it
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So yeah, I'm normally like I'm having a couple and then yeah, I'm just like a balancing act on the way home
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So I'm bouncing. Yeah, I'm hoping to get a bucket and then spread the wealth amongst my family for sure for sure
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No, I'm looking forward to the fair to I will definitely be attending next week
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What have you been doing the last three weeks since we've been on f1 summer break? Yeah f1 summer break
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It's you know, I've definitely weekends have well weirdly enough. I've been doing more like content stuff
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So like I you know, I've my weekends have not been any less busy
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It's a little bit of a blessing that I was so busy because I didn't have to you know find time to watch races or
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Or you know decline things so I could watch the race which I have definitely done before but I still got a little racing in
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I think it was like first weekend of August
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I went to a road America in Wisconsin to see the sports car races or got this hat and couple of these stickers here
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It was fun time. Yeah
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Yeah, I got this like
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Cartoon anvil thing and then I also got where I got the hat
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There was a McLaren that was driving in the race by faf motor sports. So that's where I got the hat
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Okay, so I'm urge from that from that booth. Oh, yeah, you bought a lot of merch from that booth
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I bought a lot of merch from that booth. Yeah, and I always look out for f1 stuff for sure
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I missed a couple of like f1 stickers that I could have got could have gotten
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I do have a Lando Norris like kind of cartoon sticker that I'm probably gonna put right here
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I went I looked out for hats for you man, but they were just very low this year
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I can hey well and and finding me an alpine gasly has
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I
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Usually they have a couple more teams at least have like the big four but they think anything this year
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So for sure got away with a couple McLaren hats and a few stickers and I think I like a water bottle or something
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It's awesome cars race around road America. It's a really fun track
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Yeah, for sure. Nice. Heck. Yeah, I know for me in the summer break. It was just I
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I coach high school football here locally. So that has started and that takes up a lot of my time as well as work
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So just you know normal stuff for me, but yeah, we're happy to be back happy to be back
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You know with a fast laps episode
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If you tuned in I don't was it last week. I think was last week. We had an NFL preseason show
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obviously with the NFL seasons coming up if you watch
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American football and that with the NFL tune into that first episode go
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It went well, it went well. Well, we're excited. We're gonna have revolving door of guests. So that's actually exciting
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So, you know, we're just Minnesota fans primarily, but we do talk about the league as a whole
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So then rotating guests of different teams, it's gonna be a great time this season for sure for sure
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But with that let's let's get back to f1 obviously and kind of head to our summer break recap or any call it
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summer break recap or any call it
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Backslash news. Yeah backslash news
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transition
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All right and to start off the news we're gonna start by talking about
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Alpine actually
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What was his name Bruno famine? Yep the interim team principal
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He is we knew he was out heading into summer break and pretty much
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What did you say right after break is when the Oliver Oaks news kind of hit?
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I don't know one thing to note that I saw that kind of stuck out to me was that the dudes only 36 years old
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Yeah, which is kind of young for team principal. I have a fun fact actually
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Wait on me
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Guess how old Christian Horner was when he became team principal. I have no idea 31 really? Yeah, I've seen I've seen videos
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I was not watching f1 and you know early when they were
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Long as he been team principal like 18 some one years time. I think he was I think I read 2005
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It's okay. He became team principal cheese
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but like
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around like the Red Bull like I mean he was probably he was obviously in his 30s at this point, but like when
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when when Vettel was winning with Red Bull like he looks like a baby compared to how he
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Yeah, but 31 yeah still 36 very young. Yeah. Yeah, I
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Don't know do we do we see any like big tweaks coming for Alpine with with a hire of a new team principal or is this
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More or less planning for the future at this point? I mean definitely I mean it probably
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Like Bruno famine is not supposed to be team principal. He stepped in because
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Amar was not doing well
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Right he was never supposed to be team principal is he staying with them that he should go back to his what was his original role?
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I don't even know it was like CTO like
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Back to that I would imagine he would yeah, or at least be given the option to I would hope yeah
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I think yeah, I just I think he was probably fine as team principal
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I just don't think like he wasn't supposed to be it and also I don't think he's great for PR either
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unfortunately
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Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah, a hundred percent. So, you know, they probably want someone who you know is
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You know stationed to be a team principal in that spot. Where does Oakley come from? Is he coming from Red Bull?
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Oh, I don't know where he comes from, but I know I think he's a former F1 driver if I'm not mistaken
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Which not to go off?
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Topic again with Horner, but was former did Horner former Wow
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Did Horner ever race like at the top level of a key ever race at the top level, but he definitely race race
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Yeah, yeah all over Oaks
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GP3 a little bit 2010
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British f3 was in 08 09. Okay, so it's been a minute. It's been a minute, but he worked his way up forming the BMW UK
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forming the Renault
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Euro Cup international formula and then formula 3 euro
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And then he's been with like Renault and the euro kind of teams for a while. Okay, that makes sense
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So instead of getting swapped over from a different team, he just kind of built his way up to it
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Yeah, that's what it seems like. Yeah, so, uh, yeah, I don't know. Anyway, I don't know much about all
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Now that I'm gonna be trying to be an Alpine fan since gasly's there for a minute, I guess I should probably figure it out
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Yeah, I'll get it together I'll get together for fandom, you know, we'll learn about him in next year's drive survive
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Now for sure we will for sure we will of course
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Moving right along here actually going to talk a little bit about Red Bull
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Jonathan Wheatley Red Bulls sporting director is set to leave at the end of the season to become Audi's team principal
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I think they're gonna be called Audi works. Oh, I did put that later
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But then it's just like well, what about what do you I don't even remember I'll say his name Benoto
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I'm Matteo Benoto. You know, Benoto, Benoto
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We should figure that out, too. I start making a list of names and we need to figure out I brought up the pronunciation
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I actually looked it up. I had it had the you know, computer speak to me what his name was and yeah
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It was you know, obviously a summer ago. So fair enough or something like that. Yeah, so
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Yeah, for a while I actually remember bringing this up like I couldn't I couldn't find if he was supposed to be team principal
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Right. Yes, I do remember that so we talked about this. Apparently he's not being team principal
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This guy is I looked up what his his position is and just like it said beforehand
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I thought maybe they were you know concurrent with each other
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In team principal and this but he's CEO and CTO which is chief operating and then chief technical officer
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So who who gets final say or is it like a board or how does that work?
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You know, I mean, I would imagine when it comes to like the racing
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Um, it's going to be like on race day its team principal
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It's got to be Wheatley just like in terms of you know, race decisions team orders all that fun stuff, right? I would imagine
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Benoto is just upper management at this point. Yeah kind of overseas the whole thing
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A little bit but still upper management. So I would imagine he doesn't have a ton of say um, but you know, I don't know
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So I do think he's probably going to be seen a lot more because I think he's good for PR
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Like I think people know he's definitely they definitely know his face and that's all thanks to drive
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Maybe so for sure. I think a hundred percent. Yes, you know, that's a good point
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I wonder if that is more of like a PR move knowing he can probably do the job just fine, too
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But yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, this face is gonna be back all over drive to survive
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Sure. I'm sure at least at least a little bit, right? Um, we'll see I mean Audi might we have so much unknown about Audi
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Like I know it's exciting. It's actually exciting. What I can be a fan of that team. You could
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I should jump on the bandwagon right off the get-go. Yeah, I'm going to right at the gate
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I'm gonna be a fan of no more McLaren done screw Lando. Whoa
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I spent way too much of the McLaren 10. We bought their next car. Okay
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna be like I'm gonna like them though
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I don't like hate the brand or anything like so I'm going automatically like them coming in for sure
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I'm excited to see for the first time me watching
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Well, I guess I saw Aston Martin take over racing points. I guess that's not this isn't true, but like
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Being as involved in that was exciting to me, but yeah exactly and maybe because we live over here. Maybe it's exciting over there
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Yeah, because Aston, you know, I don't know just because it was I
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Think maybe we also saw that transition. I saw that transition
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He's over there too, right? So I didn't I saw it through the lens of DTS or not live. So maybe only thing
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Now that I'm super involved in F1 and we've been like, you know, I've been like, you know, I've been like, I've been like
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So maybe only thing now that I'm super involved in F1 and we've been like talking about it for so long and we're gonna
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Now see it happen live. I think I'm probably a little bit more invested into well
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And when Aston was racing point all I can remember about racing point is the whole
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The owner and the whole deal. Yeah. Yeah, I say I can remember it now. I can't remember it
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Classic, but you know what I'm talking about
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You know, I'm saying you know, I'm saying I'm staying with Red Bull though
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Um, you know kind of as expected as we kind of talked about already checkoff seat was safe heading into summer as far as maybe
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downgrading to a v-car downgrade but
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um
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And now, you know, obviously we're back and that seems to be true. He is keeping his seat in there, you know backing him up
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Is this is this possibly?
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I don't want to say a mistake for Red Bull
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but like if they want to win the constructors and we'll get to mcclaren in a second, but
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If they want to win the constructors, is this the smartest move for them to keep check on the seat over say?
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Would Danny rick do any better right now? Do you think or or yuki would would that even be a good move?
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If for to win the constructor specifically to win the constructors specifically he should have been out long ago. I believe I mean
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There's an argument to say he should stay with the team for the rest of the year
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And I can absolutely see sides of that and I can side for part of that
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Um, there is no argument in my opinion for why he should stay for like one plus two years like that's crazy to me
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Like you don't think he should start 2025. Oh god. No, no, he should not start 2025
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Um, the thought that they even have a contract where he's possibility in the car for 2026 is crazy to me
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Yeah, so in terms of if he should be racing after break
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He's he's not going to help them when it comes to constructors
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Hopefully he's worked on himself a bit during the summer and he comes back swinging better. I don't I mean, you know, just
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I hear you. I mean I say that but we saw you know
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The whole sergeant, you know, like he he worked on himself over like winter break and he came back the same driver
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He was definitely better, but he's not performing. What do you think it is though for check? Oh, do you think it's like mental mistakes?
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Do you think there's more and more pressure especially now with the new deal in place?
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Like do you think he's feeling some of that pressure maybe for the first time since he's been in the red bull?
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Because this is definitely you know
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This this season is the worst he's raced in the red bull. I yeah, it's the worst
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I mean, I feel like it's probably the worst he's raced in like a while right? I can't fact check that but
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Um, i'm sure there has been pressure and i'm sure it's like I can only imagine
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The worse you do the more pressure you you get to like perform to like prove yourself and prove you're worth the seat
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uh
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Yeah, it's I just kind of side with him a little bit in terms of why he shouldn't be swapped out
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I just feel like it's risky not knowing enough about
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Uh, danny rick and sonota seeing them race and obviously having that to go off of I think
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They probably still need a little bit more time to get to that level
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Maybe for sure if let's say right out of the gate sonota and danny rick getting points
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Consistently every single race. I think that decision's way easier
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They swap checko in for one of them and they call it a day
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But because they haven't been at that point and maybe it's the car doing it either way
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I think they both made some mistakes just makes it harder. Yeah, exactly makes it so much harder
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Yeah, like
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I don't know. I think you give them i'm just spitballing. Yeah, but I think you give them
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I think you give them like three races checko coming out of break
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Like if you can finish
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You got to finish six or better
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If you're checko you have to like there's there's you have one of the better cars as far as we know on the grid
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Um, we know mcclaren's charging and mercedes is right there. That's what i'm saying six
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I think you still have to finish in front of the ferraris right now. Sure. Um charles, you know
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Based on skill could finish in front of checko. So maybe i'll give them a pity point for seventh
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Yeah, but you have you have to be finishing up there and I just we're not seeing it
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and then
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I just
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If we if we if he finishes out of points at all within those three races
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I I think you gotta put somebody else in the car and at this point in the season
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Let's say it's three races from now. Now. It's danny rick for me
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If it was coming out of summer break, i'd say yuki just to give him a shot like fresh
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And I can't remember when they took was it albon out of the car?
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for pier
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Yeah, they took pier out of the car and put albon in. Yeah. Yeah, was that during summer break?
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I can't remember. I know that's really reaching and I know it's a while ago, but like
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I just I just feel like that's the time for that move
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Yeah, I mean if you're serious about the constructors with how hard mcclaren's charging. Yeah, i'm almost thinking maybe red bull isn't serious about it
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They want you know the championship and that's it. I'm not sure which they probably still will get at the driver championship
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Yeah, a hundred percent like I
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Unfortunately, no matter what I think max is going to take the driver championship
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the driver championship, um, i'm just really hoping lando or
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Who's the next closest is it?
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uh
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Now we like just talked about this. I know literally the other oh I have it up. I have it up from
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We know land is the closest charles charles charles is 22 points behind lando
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I don't think charles is gonna get that unfortunately with the ferrari. Do you think he could reach lando?
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Probably not. The ferrari needs to get better. Yeah, just straight up like I I think charles as a driver. Absolutely
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He can do it um with the current ferrari probably not so
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I just want to see lando get as close as he possibly can and just secure second place iron it
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I just want him to secure second place. Which would be sweet. Yeah, come back next year and hopefully
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Hopefully a good car that can face off to red bull. Um, but I think max probably has it
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Uh kind of just going back to red bull as a whole
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Yeah, I don't
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Three so you think three races just to see if serger can do it
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I would even go as further saying like yeah sixth place. I think
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Do do you think they have to or do you think they are comparing him to max when considering if he should stay?
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Because obviously max is max is i don't think you can he's tracks ahead of check. Yeah for sure
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We know and we know that but like you're saying so are you saying you have to hit this specific placement or you have to be?
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Within max right because max is 100 the standard
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I think I think we're already past the part of being within this window of max
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I think that is already was probably already a thing like you guys have been mentioning all season
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And I think that just has passed and now that they're sticking with them. Maybe they're adjusting it now. They're like, oh now you got to finish
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It just where where was he in the drivers because he's he's got to finish he's tumbling dude
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I know he's in seventh right now last time. Yeah, so he's in seventh. He's 19 points behind louis
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Who's behind him who's behind checo? Yeah, george rossel with 15 points behind him
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George would will catch him if he's not careful. That's why i'm saying it's only three races dude for me
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I think I can only give him three races. I think that's fair
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I think they're probably going to give him the rest of the season. They probably will yeah
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Um, and it'll just kind of depend on where he ends up if they do give him the rest of the season
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They got to swap them. I don't know who you swap them for
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I don't think danny rick showed me enough this year that yes, i'm 100% inking danny rick to start in the season in the red bull
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Next year. I just
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Red bull is just in
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Like they're in a weird spot. They're in a weird spot right now really weird spot
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And I mean that leads me into my next thing about red bull kind of like with newie leaving with now wheely leaving does that?
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Factor in at all for savon's future. Like does he care about about it that much or does he just like I just want a fast car
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Whoever can give it to me. I'm just gonna drive that thing
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I
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Man, it's so hard to read max
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I think if the other guys are here they would say that he wants the fast car
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But like I don't I just don't know how like how committed he is to red bull
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I feel like he's he's gonna be like really committed. I know it was all turmoil earlier
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Would he just retire and be like i've i've done what I can do. There's no way he's retiring
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There's no way max max races in two different signs through 2025. He yeah
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Yeah, so he but he races in two different sports at the same time before he retires. He's crazy like that. Yeah
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Yeah, I I don't know. I I I don't think it obviously helps
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But there's a really there's a world where max just doesn't care like he like Wheely leaves
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He doesn't really care about that
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You know what I mean?
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I don't I don't think he does but like it should be a concern though
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That there's changes happening when you've been producing a championship level car
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Like kind of want that to keep going 100. I think yeah, I mean
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I mean, he's still only 26 years old. I thought he was like 29 max
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He's I feel like we've been watching forever because we have yeah, he's been I think he's been at f1 since he's been
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Did he race at 18?
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At the highest level. Yeah, I can't remember when he came in because that's pretty much right when I'm pretty sure
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I mean, yeah, didn't he come in like 17? He was racing with dandy rick. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, he's
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Yeah, he's just I mean he's in the like literally his prime
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If master wasn't his prime like this like stretch of him winning wdc is his prime like I mean
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And if he has this you're locked up
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hypothetically
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How many is that for him again? If he wins this one, this is his fourth. This would be his fourth. Yeah
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Yeah, he's chasing
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He's chasing
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Schumacher I imagine he would want now
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will he
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Break the record. I mean, I mean obviously we'd have to like look in the future
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I don't think he breaks we just don't know about 2026 yet. You do a little bit and we'll probably table that
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It's just reg stuff
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It doesn't tell me like who's going to be the best at making it because newie is gone
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That 2026 car is just a throw up in the air. Like I have no idea. Yeah, nobody knows. Yeah, no idea
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But with that kind of who's going to be challenging them in mclaren
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And probably the rest of this season for sure and probably next season potentially for the constructors
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And maybe the driver championship next year potentially would be nice
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But andrea stella extends his contract as the team principal. Yep. How do you feel about that move feel good?
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I think he he does a really good job
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Excuse me. Um, I didn't think there was anything wrong with uh our last
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Hour, I think there's anything wrong with their last team principal
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But stella has obviously he's gotten them. He's I mean he hasn't there's been some questionable strategy
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Sure, I mean to argue this season which seems to happen with every team. Yeah, at least a couple times a year, right?
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Yeah, definitely, but he is yeah, he he's doing a good job. He's gotten both drivers a win this year
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He has like this is true landos first and oscars first
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Um, somebody said, you know, I I do think so. I mean and the car is not getting
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Getting worse if anything, it's getting better each each race. So and he's not the only person behind these decisions
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But he's definitely the face of them and I think it's looking pretty good. Um, I also like how
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And I say the last guy because I can't remember his name because zach brown is always going to be the face of mcclaren for me
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Even though he has you know, he's not a team principal, but he's always there front and center
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um
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I like how their little setup goes where zach is kind of like the face and then you have the team principal right behind them
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That's doing all like doing all the hard stuff. Yeah, and zach's just like soaking it all up
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This is my racing company. Let's go golf
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Let's go golfing. Um
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Zach brown come on the show buddy. Yeah
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I mean mcclaren is only 42 points behind red bull and the constructors and again if we're saying
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Hypothetically if jack was finishing that six seventh, but mcclaren can consistently finish two three three four
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Four
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Like I think it's realistic that mcclaren could win the constructors which is two winning drivers obviously sergio is a winning driver as well
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um, but
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Oscar is like a force to be reckoned with I feel like get him a good track and he's going to
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He's aggressive help perform him. He's aggressive. He's aggressive. He's still he's still rookie-ish. He's got stuff to learn
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absolutely, um
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Lando's got to get his starts correct, dude, right? But what is wrong with that? I don't know. I don't
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I mean, okay and the video game i'm horrible. It starts sure. Yeah, you know doing it the you gotta do the clutch
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You know, whatever. I know how to drive a manual car not an f1 car
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but
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like
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So I get it. Yeah, but like I don't know. I have literally no idea but at least I think what's good
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It's not getting better though. That's the thing. It's not getting better. But for both drivers
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It's very clear what they need to work on and so they can whereas other drivers like
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Checo who's probably got a lot more things to work on, you know drive the car. Yeah, finish the race
24:28
Just please finish the race, please get into finishing points
24:32
And that's sad the thing about you're telling the second red bull car not to go back at red bone or not
24:36
But tell the second car that just get in points dude when the other car's winning the race. Yeah, it's not
24:41
Yeah, it's unacceptable. That's why i'm like that's why I went back to that. Yeah gap to max is because that's unacceptable
24:47
Yeah, it is
24:48
It's you're in a red bull. You're in a literal rocket ship. That's what I mean. It's I think you're right
24:53
I think 2025 it's a different driver. He's still with right red bull but at racing bulls probably. Yeah, that's
25:00
or he's
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Can you move so if they signed him? Oh dang it. I'm going down the rabbit hole and then we're gonna move on
25:05
It's okay, but if you sign like they signed uh, treco to the deal, right?
25:08
Can they put them in a reserve driver role on that same deal and sign somebody else?
25:12
I remember I think this is something we touched on a little bit. We don't I don't know if if that's a possibility or
25:18
That's how that works 100 percent the possibility. It's just you know, depends on what the money the same like
25:24
I think they probably gotta pay him for what that contract is. I'm sure part of it's guaranteed
25:29
I mean they got danny like f1 contracts are real
25:33
Yeah, they paid danny a ton for being a reserve driver
25:35
So I imagine they can do the same thing with checo if they really wanted to
25:39
Um, I think it would be a bad move and bring one of them up and put liam in the whatever
25:43
That would be so nice. I think
25:46
Unfortunately, I don't know if liam is getting a spot next year. I don't know. I think it was probably going to take one of those spots
25:53
Because I imagine he wants to stay in the game
25:55
So that that actually leads me into that last our last topic kind of let's talk about liam really quick
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Because if he doesn't get a seat next year
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How does that change the course of his career? Because I think he's only signed through 2025 as the reserve
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I thought I read somewhere I could be completely wrong, but let's say he is right
26:12
Yeah, and he doesn't have a seat in 2025. So now he's looking for a contract heading into 2026
26:18
Is there even a seat available at that point for him? You think? Yeah, there's a lower tiered team going to take a shot
26:24
at that point
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if red bull hasn't oh, I mean I
26:29
I just feel like there are so many there are so many drivers and so many
26:34
Like I hate to say it better options more experienced options than that people that have actually driven the car for full seasons
26:41
That's what check was going over. Yeah, exactly. And I think any team like again, unfortunately would probably pick check over liam
26:48
Just because it has the experience. I probably would yeah as much as I was just hating on check over the last 20 minutes
26:54
We're in this like
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Yeah, exactly. I mean exactly he's got the experience. He knows how to drive the car. He's not going to cost you
27:01
I mean, you know, he's going to cost you millions, but he's not going to cost you millions upon millions upon millions of damage
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so
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Red bull is like you said in such a weird space where you have two drivers at vcarb who are like
27:14
Maybe they can make it at red bull. Maybe you have checko who's not making it at red bull
27:19
So you had to swap him in for another driver that might not be able to perform as well as him
27:23
And then you got liam who can't get a spot but deserves a spot and you got I think his name is isaac hadjar in f2
27:29
Who's doing really well? He's having a good season. Yeah, if it comes to the name
27:34
I think that is vcarb needing an extra driver. Do they take liam or do they take him?
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So it's it's such a real it's such a weird season. It's liam
27:42
We're like vcarb has the pick of their litter and red bull is like is like there's like a bouncer at the gate
27:48
Like who knows who can be led into that seat?
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It's so weird
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That's gonna be tough. Yeah, that's why i'm saying does liam end up
27:57
Not having a seat ended up being a career reserve. He might I mean, you know, we see which is crazy
28:03
Like is that a thing? Uh, we saw
28:06
I'm losing his name
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Last year he raced he raced with alfatari for half the season. He got booted a devries
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We saw devries. He was like a career long reserve driver for the mercedes kind of family
28:19
And then he got moved into that spot. He lasted he lasted um half a year. Yeah
28:24
He did not play well with history
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themselves like obviously
28:28
You know you got onto a red bull team the the carboralfatari at that team if you don't perform
28:35
Minus checo you're you're out. But I mean simply put we're in agreement
28:39
So you're not putting liam in the red bull next year. That would be crazy
28:43
Over like I would I would be very surprised if they put liam in a red bull over yuki or danny or danny
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That's what I mean. That would be insane just
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That'd be crazy
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So if if one of those vcar drivers get that seat liam is probably getting the the vcarp seat
28:58
I would think so unless for some reason
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Isaac just has continues to have a crazy good f2 season and they consider him tough. Yeah, he's really young too
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I think he's like 18 or 17
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He is like the definition of a driver that needs to be in the vcarp or like the red bull sister team
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You think so 100 like if he's he's doing so good like they want him
29:19
I'm sure they want him in the vcarp. Is he leading f2 in points? I can't remember. I know he is doing very well
29:25
The name's very familiar to me. I just know he's doing really well. I'm not sure if he's leading or not
29:31
Um, but yeah, I would I would obviously hope liam gets another chance. You know, he got
29:35
Uh zan he is leading was actually he is leading he's leading by like 30 34 points. Geez. Yeah zanvort is another um
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Zanvort is actually the first race that he he took part in last year
29:49
When because that was the same race or that was the same weekend that danny got his injury, right? So we had to step out
29:54
um
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Yeah, it would be man
29:59
It's such a weird situation
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There's like too many drivers for vcarp and not enough drivers for red bull and i'm starting to think we're not going to know the red bull
30:07
Seat until the season's done. I don't think so, you know, we're just not going to know
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And technically right now there is no red bull seat open. We're talking like there is
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Technically there's not there's a vcarp seat open
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Which is where we could see liam
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But yeah, I don't know to uh to kind of bring tyler kind of like
30:25
Bring through me for a little bit. Maybe chuckle retires at the end of the year
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Maybe it's you know, they make it a big pr thing
30:30
Retiring no unless they're like hey retiring because they're getting a ton of money
30:34
I just say unless red bull's like here buddy
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Um, either you retire or you're out of the seat
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But you can come out and say that you're retiring and we're cool with that. If you retire right now
30:42
We will give you the car
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Yeah, yeah, right as a retirement gift crashes it on the way out
30:48
um
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Alpine seat alpine seat gasly's gasly's partner. We're thinking jack is it dohan?
30:56
Yeah, so we said it was either I I had mentioned it's more than likely dohan. Um possible other option is
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For me is going to be
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uh
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mick mick schumacher
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Oh, that's right. There was that dark horse too. Yeah, I forget mick's still out there. Yep
31:14
Um, and that's only because of this like weird like relationship that toto has with alpine that I don't understand mick in the red bull
31:20
2025 I don't know what what that is, but he got like he got oka on that seat. So like it it you know
31:26
Its history could repeat itself, but I think they should give it to dohan. He's the one that's been testing the car
31:31
It just makes sense that he gets put into 100% no, I I agree with that. I think that's exactly what we're gonna see
31:37
a seat that's now
31:39
Kind of becoming more of a question mark. Um, but now I've I was reading rumors this this morning
31:46
That were kind of saying that salvers kind of at the point now
31:51
That they have to either go with botas or zao
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For their second seat at this point. You almost have to
31:57
Just for at least next season. Yep
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I um, I kind of expected one of them to get retained anyway
32:04
um after hearing that
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signs wasn't
32:08
Coming aboard. Um, I was like well, it's like the driver ranking is so limited and if if they do
32:14
Do get a contract up do they stay frowny? I don't think so. I think if it's if it's botas or zao
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Joe joe joe i'm saying zao wow joe everyone. Um
32:26
I think uh, if it's one of those it's just for 2025 like seriously I
32:31
Unless you want to be really nice to botas
32:33
But there's some dutch former dutch driver today that came out and oh, it's on my other computer
32:38
um that came out and said something about um
32:40
How he thinks that botas is just taking up space and how he needs to pretty much retire and um,
32:47
You know just
32:48
You know, i'm like what I mean crazy. Yes. He hasn't done anything this year, but neither is joe the salvers a bad car
32:54
Neither is the car. Yeah, I I think
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I mean you you put botas in like a really like the probably the worst car from the best car like it's
33:04
You know, he's only gonna be the best car at the time for sure. He left. Yeah for sure. Um, so who do you go?
33:09
With then if it's between the two
33:13
Botas if you want the experience and you want someone to well, no, because you got nico nico's already a veteran
33:20
Right. Well, like are you treating nico like the number one and try to you know
33:24
Play as a team for 2025 to prepare for 2026. So therefore maybe you sign botas to probably a multi-year
33:30
So now now remembering that nico is there. Um nico's there. He's the veteran
33:36
So I would say botas if you want more experience and you want probably better position
33:40
Um, but joe if you want the money
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I think because I think he brings in a lot of money for for that team
33:46
Sure, that's right. Yeah, we've talked about that before or putting on my tin foil hat you get mick you get mick in
33:53
I knew it mick in there you get a german team two german drivers and a
33:59
Uh, I don't know oliver oaks. I think he's british. I mean it wouldn't be
34:02
No, but that is that is a good point maybe they do give mick a shot for 2025 see if that's who they want to sign for
34:08
I mean, I think mick would be funny even though he's just a reserve driver mick would be like a 2026 contract in my fantasy tin foil hat
34:17
Um, but yeah that that seat. I think you're right. I think it's probably going to be one of the current drivers
34:22
I just don't know which one they're going to go with which it would it is tough. It is soft
34:26
If boatos did not get picked, but I can understand what just a mercedes
34:33
I'm just kidding. That's another seat. That's still open. I know they have not that's the last seat that we got to talk about but
34:38
I do feel like antonnelli. I mean we've been talking about him all year. It's pretty much bound to happen
34:46
I but the comment after the one race that he won sticks with me like I just don't know
34:51
I don't know if I feel like I'm ready or whatever. I'm like there's your answer like for me, right?
34:56
Then leave him at f2 for another year and make sure or are they afraid like tyler always brought up are they afraid he's going to get poached?
35:02
Yeah, you know what I mean? Like that's tough
35:04
But you do have both of us maybe lurking out there that could be a great number two to uh to george maybe
35:11
Yeah, get a little on a mercedes car. That's getting better
35:14
Yeah, I think that's a good point
35:16
Get me to reach george, yeah. That's a good point. That's a good point. It looks like george maybe
35:21
Yeah, get a little on a mercedes car. That's getting better
35:25
Yeah, that's so interesting
35:27
I, man we were talking before the the app started about how like most things have like, you know, settled down now
35:34
Now we're like, oh my gosh. There's still so much that has to be announced a lot of it
35:38
We kind of know what's going to happen, but like there's still so much unknown. Yeah, so I mean
35:43
At this point, that is the only person I would consider unless Vettel's gonna be like, hey,
35:49
like I don't, not Mick.
35:51
I'm not gonna say, I'm gonna bring up for the third time.
35:55
No, not Mick Schumacher.
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He's the reserve driver, right?
35:57
So it only like makes sense.
35:59
The thing is like, I'm not saying Mick is not first pick for any of these spots in my
36:03
opinion whatsoever, but there are connections to each of them that could be made.
36:11
I still like the biggest.
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Cool, I'm signing Mick.
36:13
I'm signing Mick in the Merc and then I'm gonna switch him and Carlos immediately.
36:16
I mean, I sound like the biggest Mick Schumacher fan this episode, which is crazy.
36:23
But like there are like, you see, I told you though, tin foil, like you can see this, like
36:26
this map with red lines.
36:28
We need to get a tin foil hat.
36:30
Yeah, I'm actually, shout out Kev by the way.
36:32
I'll make a tin foil hat of one of these.
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You should, and then you should put it on.
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And you're gonna have a tin foil hat moment.
36:38
There was actually a moment, I think right before the break where I was very hard, like
36:41
considering wrapping one of my hats in tin foil.
36:44
You should, and bring it.
36:45
I will definitely bring those and have more of those crazy, crazy moments.
36:49
Yeah, I'm excited for the rest of the season.
36:51
I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with that extra Merc.
36:53
I think it makes sense.
36:55
I mean, it makes sense and it doesn't make sense that Antonelli gets it.
36:58
But like, what other choice do you have right now?
37:01
I think in my fantasy land, and then we'll close out our summer break recap here.
37:06
But I think in my fantasy land, I'd love to see Boatos in it just to see if he can still
37:12
perform at that level and see if he could help George maybe get to that next level or
37:17
not.
37:18
I don't know, because I think, God, this is gonna open up a can of worms really quick.
37:21
I'm not sure how committed Mercedes is to George long-term.
37:26
Like they seem like they are right now.
37:28
Are they committed to George for 2025?
37:29
Absolutely.
37:30
They're all in.
37:31
Chips.
37:32
You know, but he's only signed through 2025.
37:35
I think he could get another contract from Merc, but past that, it would depend on performance,
37:41
obviously.
37:42
But does he even get that next contract from Merc?
37:45
Do you think they're fully committed to George Russell heading into 2026?
37:50
Absolutely 100% they are.
37:52
There is no way George is not racing for Mercedes.
37:55
I'll even go on further.
37:56
There's no way he's not racing for Mercedes in 2027.
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He's there for a while.
38:02
He's got to be.
38:03
He's been driving the car now for a minute.
38:04
They've been grooming him for a minute.
38:05
They have.
38:06
He was at Williams for a minute.
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Williams for a minute.
38:08
He's been at Mercedes now for two years, right?
38:12
He knows the car.
38:13
He's now performed.
38:14
Last year, he was definitely the second driver last year.
38:17
He's performing this year.
38:19
He is not going anywhere.
38:21
He is the person they need in that seat.
38:25
No matter who his second driver is, Bottas, they need Russell still.
38:29
Because Bottas, what if it isn't the car in Sauber?
38:33
What if he's just...
38:34
Dead in the water, boom, Antonelli.
38:35
Exactly.
38:36
That's what I'm saying.
38:37
I actually weirdly think Antonelli is probably the better pick just because they can look
38:41
forward with him.
38:43
Whereas with Bottas, they're just kind of counting their days a little bit.
38:47
So real quick before we depart, or not depart, but move on.
38:52
If it is Antonelli, what would your realistic expectation be for him in that Mercedes car,
38:58
not knowing how the car is going to perform in 2025 compared to the Ferrari, the McLaren,
39:02
and the Red Bull?
39:03
Yeah.
39:04
Where would you like to see him finish, let's say, in the driver points by the end of the
39:08
season if they go Antonelli?
39:11
I know this is way too early to be talking about this because he's not in the seat, but
39:15
just...
39:16
I mean, just knowing Mercedes track record and how bad they do early season recently
39:22
and how they kind of bring it back late season, I would expect him by end of season, he should
39:27
be at least eighth.
39:29
Eighth, okay.
39:30
I had seventh in my brain, so we're close.
39:33
I just think like...
39:34
I mean, I'm thinking about like...
39:35
Obviously, he's going to get a little time to prep for it, but I'm thinking like Oliver
39:39
Baerman, like he jumped in for a race and he was in a Ferrari, so he got points, but
39:44
he had to really fight for those points.
39:45
I can't jump on that bandwagon yet.
39:47
Oliver Baerman?
39:48
Yeah, I'd like to see more from him.
39:49
Obviously, great race.
39:50
It was awesome.
39:51
It was awesome to see.
39:52
I was really excited.
39:53
Obviously, solidified him getting the seat with Hasno, right?
39:57
Another team I should jump on the bandwagon.
39:58
I should just get everybody's hat.
39:59
Might as well.
40:00
Might as well.
40:01
But, I don't know.
40:02
That's another rabbit hole.
40:03
Oh my God.
40:04
I'm going to go diamond diving.
40:05
I love talking about this stuff though.
40:08
It's super fun.
40:09
So yeah, you know, I mean...
40:10
But yeah, eighth is what I expect.
40:13
He should be consistently getting points.
40:17
Doesn't have to be a lot of points, but he should be getting points.
40:20
For sure.
40:21
And start of the season, next year entirely, Russell will be his target.
40:27
We need to see how he performs compared to Russell, not the rest of the field.
40:31
Let Russell set the standard for the person he is.
40:33
Even as a brand new rookie coming in, brand new, like just...
40:36
I mean, you can't...
40:38
Like a brand new rookie, you need to kind of size them up.
40:40
You don't compare him to...
40:41
Different car, right?
40:42
You don't compare him to Oliver Baerman or Jack Doohan if he's in a car, the other rookies
40:46
of that year?
40:48
Or is that like unfair to them because it's a different car?
40:50
I guess you definitely do.
40:52
I mean, if he's finishing worse than them, that's a problem.
40:55
No, that's an incredible point.
40:57
But you definitely do need to compare the rookies together because...
41:02
And then obviously keeping their car performance in mind, right?
41:05
So if like, if Jack Doohan or rather even Oliver, if Oliver starts getting more points
41:10
than Antonelli, that's bad.
41:12
That's a red flag.
41:14
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
41:15
Not good.
41:16
But I only say that George is like the standard because he is now...
41:21
That like George, what he races, this is crazy to say.
41:23
And it's like, it makes me want to open so many more cans of words.
41:26
Oh, don't do it.
41:27
I won't.
41:28
I'm starting to say it, but I won't open any of those cans.
41:31
Next year, George is the fastest Mercedes can go.
41:36
Just straight up.
41:37
He is the standard.
41:39
So whatever he does, Antonelli is going to be judged against that just to see how much
41:44
he has to grow.
41:45
As a number one driver, I would hope so.
41:47
Yeah.
41:48
For the team.
41:49
Right.
41:50
There's no more Lewis, right?
41:51
And I think right now, George and Lewis are already kind of there.
41:52
It's nice to see that they're already right there with each other so we know next season.
41:57
It should be pretty close to what the best Mercedes could do is, you know, obviously
42:01
with the driver in mind.
42:03
So yeah, he's going to be judged against George.
42:06
I don't think he's going to be judged by the rest of the field except for the rookies just
42:09
to see how much he has to grow.
42:11
I wouldn't compare him to Max.
42:12
I wouldn't compare him to Charles Leclerc.
42:14
No, it's not fair.
42:15
And I would only compare him to rookies to a certain point, you know, like just like
42:20
a quick temp check on if we made the right choice.
42:23
Yeah.
42:24
It's just growing and getting the best performance out of your car as you can.
42:27
Because they're not just making this choice all willy nilly.
42:29
They've been planning this for years, you know, down the line.
42:33
They've been, you know, grooming them like they already know who they've wanted in the
42:36
car.
42:37
They've done all the research.
42:38
They've done their homework.
42:40
So that's a good point.
42:41
I might even retract my statement a little bit and say he should almost only be compared
42:45
to George because he's in the Mercedes.
42:48
Right.
42:49
But that's where the car makes the difference.
42:51
Exactly.
42:52
So if the car somehow becomes a William, like a Williams, and you know, the other teams
42:57
go up, right?
42:58
He's only going to be as good as George can be.
43:01
That's why I say.
43:02
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
43:03
So if the other rookies, let's say, are finishing in front of George as well, that's a problem
43:08
for sure.
43:09
With the car.
43:10
For Mercedes.
43:11
For the car.
43:12
And then if they're finishing in front of Antonelli and nowhere near George, now that's
43:14
a problem that Antonelli's having.
43:16
Yeah.
43:17
Yeah.
43:18
I mean, if Biermann's finishing in front of Antonelli, that's a problem.
43:22
Yeah, I think that's a problem.
43:24
But again, it just depends on how the car is doing.
43:26
I don't think there's any way the car is going to be better than Mercedes.
43:29
I don't think there's going to be that much drop off.
43:31
But like, do we see Jack Newhan climb up there?
43:33
You know what I mean?
43:34
Alpine's been so weird.
43:35
It's like it wants to be good on some days and other days it doesn't.
43:38
Alpine's unpredictable.
43:39
Straight up.
43:40
It's so unpredictable.
43:41
Yay, Gasly.
43:42
Anyway.
43:43
I love F1, dude.
43:44
I love this sport so much.
43:47
Yeah.
43:48
With that, let's just wrap our summer break, kind of a recap of summer break, and we'll
43:54
head to our Dutch preview where Joe's obviously got his masterpiece.
43:57
Let's do it.
44:10
And with that, we have the Dutch Grand Prix preview.
44:15
Actually, I think it, what is it?
44:16
Is it the Heineken something or other?
44:18
I got the name.
44:19
Oh, he's got it.
44:20
You know what, Joe, why don't you just take it away?
44:21
Yeah, we're heading to the Netherlands for the Dutch Grand Prix.
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This year's Grand Prix is called the Formula One Heineken Dutch Grand Prix 2024.
44:27
Nice and easy.
44:28
Yeah, that is simple.
44:29
Got the name, the year.
44:31
What is it?
44:32
Emirates, Emirates, how do you say the word?
44:35
Emirates?
44:36
Emirates?
44:37
Arab Emirates.
44:38
Emirates, yeah.
44:39
Okay.
44:40
I don't know why that.
44:41
Emirates, Emirates Airways, blah, blah, blah.
44:42
Yeah.
44:43
It's the, yeah, the Monza Golf.
44:44
Yeah.
44:45
All right.
44:46
So, we're heading to the Dutch Grand Prix, just some fun facts per usual.
44:49
Zandvoort is the, if anyone doesn't know, is the track with all of those banking corners.
44:53
Nescar.
44:54
Yeah, exactly.
44:55
So, in lieu of like actually kind of compared to that, the final corner features an 18 degree
45:00
banking which is almost double the number seen at Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
45:05
Wow, well, Indy's very flat.
45:06
Yeah, Indy's very flat.
45:07
Oh, fair enough.
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Okay.
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For a, for a, like, I can't even call it an oval.
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It's more like a rectangle because they got four big old turns.
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Oh, okay.
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And the road course obviously is a little different inside.
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But if you're just doing the Speedway, that doesn't surprise me.
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Those turns are really banked, but those Indy cars still send them.
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I wonder how it compares.
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So, it's like the Indianapolis banking is not as much as like another, like Daytona.
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Oh, no.
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No, no, no.
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So, I wonder how those compare there.
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Daytona is extremely banked.
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Gotcha.
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Interesting.
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Okay.
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Can't imagine a nightmare set up on a car, like a stock car for Indy and then you go
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to like Daytona or something.
45:42
Oh.
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I can't imagine.
45:44
Oh, fair.
45:45
I think every track is different for F1, too.
45:46
Oh, yeah.
45:47
Absolutely.
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Yeah.
45:49
So, since the Dutch GMP has been on the, has been back on the calendar, it's only been
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three years, Max has taken all of the pole positions and has won all of the races.
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So is this the weekend to dethrone the king at his castle?
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No.
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It was a little cheesy, but we'll get into it.
46:04
So, again, starting grid, Max, followed by Lando and then George with a surprise Alex
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Albon in fourth in the Williams.
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Very interesting qualifying session for him.
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He got up to fourth.
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This is a very interesting race.
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We'll kind of get into it.
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Off the line on dry tires, while the rain starts to drizzle onto the track, we saw everyone
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keep it in one piece through the first corner and through most of the lap.
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Max already with a decent head start on Lando.
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From fourth, Alonso made it path boasts, sorry, from fifth, Alonso makes it past both Albon
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and Russell in the banking hairpin of turn three.
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By the end of lap one, the drizzle, the starting line turned into what looks like a complete
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downpour.
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Everyone passes the pit lane, but at the end of that lap, a couple drivers finally decided
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to take the pit stop for inters to help fend off that rain.
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While some of our runners pit, Alonso overtakes Norris on the wet track for second place.
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This is a huge mix of strategies throughout the entire field.
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We saw some people decide to stay out and hope for the rain to clear, while others continued
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to pit to fend off the rain.
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At this point, however, the inters were much faster.
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Perez, who made the earlier inter choice, passed everyone ahead on the dries to take first
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position.
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By lap six, majority of the field had switched to inters.
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Soft runners and those who took the late pit stop were paying for it.
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Perez was still in first with Joe in second, who was up 13 places, just again based on
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pit strategy.
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And Verstappen, climbing back to third, 13 seconds away from Perez.
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He gets past Joe on lap seven.
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Short bit of rain, very heavy rain, but short bit, and this track dries up very quickly.
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So we get DRS enabled back on lap 11, and we're pitting for slicks again to begin.
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Max pits for those slicks on the next lap, having made over 10 seconds to Perez within
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those six laps.
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Perez pits on the next lap, giving Max the lead of the race while he's inside the pit
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lane.
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Everyone is now on softs, except for Joe, who's on mediums.
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On lap 16, Logan found his natural resting place into the wall, bringing out the full
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safety car.
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His natural resting place.
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His natural resting place, yeah.
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Leclerc retired the car in lap four.
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We jump now.
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Leclerc retired the car in lap 43 after taking some damage at the start of the race.
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And on lap 49, Alonso has some pit stop troubles being held up for 8.3 seconds.
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This allows signs ahead.
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He fights for the last podium position on lap 52 as he takes back from his fellow Spaniard.
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On lap 62, we find the rain coming down hard once again.
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All the drivers switch to enters fairly quickly.
48:32
On lap 63, Sergio Perez double front locks at the end of the starting straight.
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He spins, hits the wall, and pushes the barriers back slightly.
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Doesn't look like he takes any damage here, except for the emotional damage of losing
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that second position.
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Later in the same lap.
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Emotional damage.
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Yep, emotional damage.
48:49
Same lap, Joe is seen at the exact same spot Perez hit the wall, except Joe is completely
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buried into it, ending his race and bringing out the red flag.
48:58
Unbelievable.
48:59
At the restart, lap 67 of 72, everyone is on enters.
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Perez is given a penalty for speeding in the pit lane earlier in the race, so he will need
49:08
to get 5 seconds ahead of Gasly to keep the final podium position, but he cannot make
49:12
up that time.
49:14
Max crosses 3.4 seconds ahead of second place, which was Alonso, after a hectic home Grand
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Prix.
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So he got a Verstappen, Alonso, Gasly.
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Perez pushed to fourth for his penalty and then signs, making Max's 9th consecutive win.
49:27
Boom.
49:29
That and that match the record for Vettel.
49:31
Oh really?
49:32
It did.
49:33
Interesting.
49:34
I got something for you.
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That's going to really mess with stuff.
49:38
I looked up the weather.
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Is it going to be rainy?
49:41
It is going to be rainy on Friday.
49:45
And a little bit on Saturday.
49:47
It is, how do I say it?
49:49
Zandvoort?
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Netherlands?
49:51
Yep.
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It is, let's see how 50% chance kind of Saturday.
49:56
Fridays probably won't happen.
49:58
Friday is only practice.
50:02
But Saturday, yeah Saturday we got 50%.
50:06
Sunday looks good though.
50:07
Sunday looks good.
50:08
It's too bad.
50:09
I know, it would have made it a little bit more interesting.
50:12
I mean that race last year was a bit crazy.
50:16
It just like, you know, was dry and then rainy and then dry again.
50:19
That just really throws a wrench into any strategy.
50:22
Now I'm sure, like we mentioned, I'm sure you have planned A, B, C, D, E for all these
50:28
other things in the race like coaching a football game.
50:31
It's third and four and I'm going to call it this play for sure.
50:34
You know, you got your list of strategies.
50:36
Yeah and the weather just made it really interesting because like I said, this track dries so quickly
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that cars were just like, we should just wait out this rain, drive slowly on these softs
50:45
and then when it comes to softs we don't have to pit again.
50:48
But it was so wet that they just had to pit.
50:51
So it makes us some very interesting strategy calls.
50:54
I think like some of the people caught out was like McLaren.
50:58
Lando started in second but I think he finished in like seventh or something like that just
51:01
because he stayed on in softs too long.
51:03
So very, very interesting in terms of strategy.
51:06
Too bad it's not going to be a wet race but I still think it should be an interesting
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one.
51:10
I think, interesting to say the least.
51:14
It's definitely going to be interesting.
51:15
I don't want to get into predictions quite yet.
51:19
I do think Max will win the race again.
51:21
It's just a spot, man.
51:23
It's just a spot.
51:25
Chako, where do you realistically see him finishing this week?
51:30
I would like to think in points.
51:32
I don't think, I actually think this is not a comeback weekend but I definitely think
51:39
he's going to do better than he has been doing.
51:40
Bounce back weekend maybe?
51:41
Yeah, I think so maybe he's like top six probably.
51:46
I hope so.
51:48
That's what I'm saying.
51:49
He's got to finish that sixth and then if I'm going to give him pity points, it's going
51:53
to be seventh.
51:54
I don't know.
51:55
We got to see it from him this weekend.
51:58
Can the McLarens, can Lando, I mean or Oscar really, can one of the McLarens actually catch
52:03
Max here?
52:05
Is it actually a realistic possibility?
52:08
It's going to be so tough.
52:10
I mean, at this point last year, the McLarens weren't the best car but they were getting
52:17
better and Max still cleaned up here easily.
52:22
So I don't think, I agree, I don't think there's any way Max doesn't win.
52:26
If someone else does win instead of Max, that would be wild.
52:29
Yeah, I would think so.
52:30
But changing of the guard, especially if it's a McLaren car.
52:33
Yeah, oh, that would be so good.
52:34
I think if like George or Lewis somehow pulled it off or Charles, which I don't think is
52:39
going to happen, but if like a Merc somehow won, it'd be like, oh, okay.
52:42
But like if McLaren beats Red Bull at Max's track, like I just, I don't know, I don't
52:49
know.
52:50
It makes 2025 more interesting right off the bat for me, which is already going to be more
52:53
interesting.
52:54
Especially after the summer break, like it's just like a tonal shift, right?
52:57
The end of the season is going to be different.
52:58
Yeah.
52:59
Think about the DTS story.
53:01
This race would be, yeah, no, this would be a tone setter though.
53:05
If McLaren comes out of break and beats Max at his own track, that is a tone setter.
53:11
We are in for a ridiculous second half.
53:13
That would be so crazy.
53:14
That being said though, Max is very good at this track.
53:17
I don't think he's going to lose it.
53:18
There's that.
53:19
Yeah.
53:20
So why don't you give us, so Cole obviously is not here with us tonight, but he did give
53:24
us his predictions.
53:26
And so did Tyler.
53:27
We're going to keep Tyler in the standings just in case he's able to return for us by
53:31
the end of the season.
53:32
So why don't you go ahead with Cole's predictions?
53:35
Yeah.
53:36
Again, this is just for the podium.
53:38
There's no bonus points this week.
53:39
We'll go back to the bonus points next week.
53:41
Yeah.
53:42
So this is just straight up podium who we got.
53:45
Yep.
53:46
Cole's prediction is Hamilton, Norris, and George.
53:49
Which is wild.
53:50
Wild.
53:51
Max is not on that podium.
53:52
I wonder, did I tell him, is it in there?
53:55
Did I say it's a Dutch GP?
53:57
No.
53:58
Hey, that's up to him for not looking.
54:01
I'm sorry.
54:02
Lewis, who and who?
54:04
Lewis, Lando, and George.
54:06
Lando and George.
54:07
Yeah.
54:08
That's insane.
54:09
Lando wins.
54:12
And that at least George gets podium, or Lewis.
54:16
Joe, what is your podium going to be?
54:18
My podium is obviously Max, and then just kind of throwing out two competitors, Lando
54:24
and George.
54:25
Lando and George?
54:26
Yep.
54:27
I was thinking about, I think initially I had Lewis on there, but he had a little bit
54:33
of trouble last year, I think here.
54:36
So I'm just going to go George, just hope for the best.
54:39
Fair enough.
54:40
Fair enough.
54:41
Tyler, in no particular order again.
54:44
However, interestingly enough, he sent Lando first, but Lando, Max, Charles.
54:51
Ferrari coming up.
54:52
Which is interesting.
54:53
It would be interesting if Ferrari was, does he know something we don't?
54:57
I did not see anything about any upgrades for Ferrari coming up.
55:00
Brake.
55:01
Neither.
55:02
They're falling behind and they didn't look strong this point last season, so I think
55:08
they're probably still going to be third team on the grid.
55:13
Third team on the grid?
55:16
Or third or fourth.
55:18
I'm thinking they're fourth.
55:20
Well, I mean, you got Checo who isn't, you know.
55:23
I know.
55:24
He's not really, that's what I mean.
55:25
They're like third and a half team.
55:27
If Checo can do his job for me the rest of this season, beat Ferrari.
55:31
Is doing your job for me, for Checo.
55:34
If you can at least beat Ferrari, you know, but.
55:37
Oh my God, yeah, Checo.
55:41
It annoys me.
55:43
I'm going to go with Max Lando, Oscar.
55:46
I think McClane.
55:47
I like that.
55:48
Heck, you know I like that.
55:49
I think I know.
55:50
That's why I was waiting for you to say it.
55:51
I was like, darn it, I'm going to have to change it up to make it interesting.
55:54
But I'm glad you did it.
55:55
Oscar had a really good last race.
55:56
I think, you know, we just got to cool off a little bit.
55:58
Yeah, you guys got to cool off.
56:00
I haven't been choosing them, so I'm going to go ahead and take my risk.
56:04
As it stands for our standings heading into this race, Cole's actually leading.
56:11
But he's not here, so we don't count that.
56:13
Tyler comes in second, one point behind Cole.
56:16
He's not here, we don't count that.
56:17
And then me, two points behind Tyler, so I'm in first.
56:20
No, I'm in third.
56:22
And then Joe's bringing it up, but he's only four points behind me at 21.
56:25
Oh God, that's awful.
56:27
I said only.
56:28
You guys are like one point and then two points.
56:33
You got to chip away.
56:34
You got to focus on me first before you go step up to the big dog, Cole.
56:37
I used to be at the top.
56:39
It's true.
56:40
It's true.
56:41
I was taking risks early and now look at me.
56:43
Well, I'm only in third too.
56:45
But.
56:46
I'm the Ferrari of this podium prediction.
56:52
Yeah, for sure.
56:53
Strong out the gate and falling behind.
56:55
You're going to need some upgrades.
56:56
Yeah, I'm more accurately, I'm probably the Aston Martin.
57:01
Just consistently.
57:03
Super strong at the front and then just consistently awful.
57:08
Any parting thoughts for the Dutch GP here?
57:11
I'm just really happy to be back.
57:12
I'm looking forward to F1.
57:13
I had a blast talking to you today.
57:16
For sure.
57:17
A lot of checko talk.
57:18
We're going to be watching him very, very closely.
57:20
We're on a checko watch right now.
57:22
I think we're on a checko watch until the beginning of next season or at least off season
57:27
and see if there's any rumblings this off season.
57:30
Which I think it's going to be quiet immediately.
57:32
Probably.
57:33
Yeah, probably quiet pretty close to the end.
57:36
But I mean, last off season, Hamilton moved to Ferrari.
57:40
I know.
57:41
Things can happen off season.
57:42
Yeah.
57:43
So on the checko watch for the rest of this season.
57:45
But obviously, thanks for being here today, Joe.
57:48
Thanks for having me.
57:49
We'll have Cole back with us next week as we recap the Dutch GP.
57:54
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57:59
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