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RHOBH SHAKEUP: LEAH REMINI with Kate Casey · Reality with The King

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  Speaker 1: Hey, Raindrops, on today's episode of Reality for the King,
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  Speaker 1: your favorite duo is back together, KKC and Carlos King.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, my beautiful Kate.
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  Speaker 3: Good to see you. You look very fit and trim,
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  Speaker 3: like you just walked out of an Abercrombie ad. Are
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  Speaker 3: you doing modeling gigs now? What's going on?
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  Speaker 1: Listen, I am campaigning to be a Skims model, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Like, hook me up.
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  Speaker 3: I know. You would be good. By the way, a
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  Speaker 3: side note. Listen, do you notice that that's something that's so...
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  Speaker 3: That's like a Carlos colloquialism. Listen. Like, you should get
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  Speaker 3: merch with hats that just say, listen. It's like one
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  Speaker 3: of your little picadillos. Have you ever noticed that?
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  Speaker 1: No, I haven't. It's funny because people do say to me,
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  Speaker 1: I have a couple of them.
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  Speaker 2: Listen is one of them. But I feel like you
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  Speaker 2: gave me one more, maybe sometime last year. You know
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  Speaker 2: what you said?
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  Speaker 1: You said, Carlos, when you talk, sometimes when you end
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  Speaker 1: your sentence, you end with this inflection.
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  Speaker 2: Like, it's a... You go up. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You go up. You know who does that? Germans. Talk
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  Speaker 3: to anybody from Germany and they always like, end up. Cut.
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  Speaker 3: End up.
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  Speaker 1: So, yes, I do know I have that, but I
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  Speaker 1: don't listen is one of my favorite things.
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  Speaker 2: And you're one of my favorite people.
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  Speaker 1: And this is going to be one of my favorite
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  Speaker 1: episodes because I have been inundated with the raindrops commenting me,
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  Speaker 1: messaging me, saying, when are we going to get your
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  Speaker 1: thoughts on Leah Remini joining the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm going to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I've been kind of crazy busy, but I said there's
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  Speaker 1: no other person that I want to have this conversation
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  Speaker 1: with in Cape Casey because we have to talk about
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  Speaker 1: the fact that this former Scientologist and all of the
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  Speaker 1: great things that Cape Casey talks about, which by the way,
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  Speaker 1: before we get into that, kudos to your episode, the.
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  Speaker 2: Woman, I'm having a brain fart. But you did an
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  Speaker 2: episode last week, I think it was.
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  Speaker 1: The last week or two weeks ago, breaking down Meghan
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  Speaker 1: Markle going back.
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  Speaker 2: To the UK with a journalist.
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  Speaker 3: You would like her. You should collab with her. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I'm like walking down the street, getting my on,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: And I enjoy that episode so much of your breakdown
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  Speaker 1: with Meghan Markle, the decision of going back to UK.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: And all of, to me, Kate, what makes your podcast
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  Speaker 1: so special that I always tell people is you go
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  Speaker 1: deeper in terms of the psychology of the reality star
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  Speaker 1: and this social experiment in which their subculture of the
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  Speaker 1: show is based around, whether it's Mormon Wives, the UK
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  Speaker 1: with Meghan Markle and the palace, or the Real Housewives. So,
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  Speaker 1: Leah Remini, Kings of Queens actress, JLo's best friend.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Former Scientologist is joining a show that has the women
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  Speaker 1: of Kyle Richards, Sutton Strack, Bozomo, St.
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  Speaker 2: John.
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  Speaker 1: Now we have Dorit Kemsley, Erika Jayne, in addition to
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  Speaker 1: Million Dollar Listing star Tracy Tudor.
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  Speaker 2: I need to know your thoughts on.
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  Speaker 1: This sort of world that we're not going to embark on.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I always think someone's origin story is most important
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  Speaker 3: to consider. Leah Remini comes from a great family. Super funny.
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  Speaker 3: They've had TV shows. You will be endlessly entertained by them.
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  Speaker 3: Her mother got pulled into the Church of Scientology. And
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  Speaker 3: Leah was raised with her sister sisters because her mom
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  Speaker 3: remarried from a very young age. And that is the
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  Speaker 3: reason she's claimed for some of her early success in
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  Speaker 3: the entertainment industry. And I think that people who have
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  Speaker 3: been in that program have also said that because it
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  Speaker 3: teaches you to almost be fearless. So in the audition process,
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  Speaker 3: while when so many people get a little bit of
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  Speaker 3: rejection and they're like, forget it, I'm out of here.
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  Speaker 3: they almost look at it as fuel. And so I
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  Speaker 3: think she probably got a lot of roles because she
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  Speaker 3: was fearless in her pursuit. The problem with Scientology, as
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  Speaker 3: we now know, and Lord knows I pretty much have
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  Speaker 3: a PhD in it now because I've been studying it
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  Speaker 3: for so many years, is that it's totally controlling of
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  Speaker 3: your life. So while people would say, I can be
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  Speaker 3: a Scientologist but also have another religion, It's not really
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  Speaker 3: true because it's all-encompassing. You can't really just be a
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  Speaker 3: working person and then be a Scientologist. Scientology creeps into
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  Speaker 3: every facet of your life. You have to take a
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  Speaker 3: ton of courses, and it's structured in a way that
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  Speaker 3: the courses really never end. So you have to keep
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  Speaker 3: going up these levels, and then when you get to
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  Speaker 3: the top level, you realize you don't really know anything.
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  Speaker 3: You have to go back to the bottom level, and
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  Speaker 3: you have to buy all of these books. materials you
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  Speaker 3: have to give everything of your life to them and
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  Speaker 3: in the process there are people who were part of
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  Speaker 3: that organization that were ensuring that you are giving so
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  Speaker 3: much of your personal information so that you feel sort
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  Speaker 3: of trapped by it that your secrets will be really
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  Speaker 3: will be released now we know from other cults that
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  Speaker 3: what would seem like not a big secret to one
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  Speaker 3: person maybe to another person. So, you know, maybe you've
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  Speaker 3: struggled with like alcohol or maybe you have a relative
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  Speaker 3: that's something that they almost use that over you. They
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  Speaker 3: almost shackle you because they make you live in fear
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  Speaker 3: that the little thing about you is so embarrassing and
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  Speaker 3: that if you are not completely loyal to them, that
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  Speaker 3: it will be released. So these are the conditions in
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  Speaker 3: which she grew up. Also, they kind of tell you
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  Speaker 3: schools are relevant at one point. Like you just need
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  Speaker 3: to study Scientology, but okay, you're studying the Scientology manuals.
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  Speaker 3: You're not really learning the same things that kids in
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  Speaker 3: a school environment are learning. So then you have this insecurity,
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  Speaker 3: like how am I going to fit in socially? How
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  Speaker 3: am I going to get a regular job when I
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  Speaker 3: do not have a pedigree? And Leah, I'm sure we'll
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  Speaker 3: talk about on the show how she's actually gone back
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  Speaker 3: to school, which is a huge feat because you're sort
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  Speaker 3: of taught for so long, Schools are irrelevant. And then
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  Speaker 3: you're like, oh, my God, I have so much to
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  Speaker 3: learn because I've been brainwashed into thinking that it wasn't necessary.
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  Speaker 3: So she grows up in this environment and it becomes
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  Speaker 3: your entire social circle. So there's another fear. If you
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  Speaker 3: leave it, you're cutting yourself off from your entire social world.
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  Speaker 3: And in her case, it's also members of her family.
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  Speaker 3: So when she left the Church of Scientology, it was
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  Speaker 3: a huge deal because she members of her family left
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  Speaker 3: with her. And also, the way that L. Ron Hubbard
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  Speaker 3: structured it when he began the Church of Scientology, and
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  Speaker 3: I use that word church with air quotes, because it
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  Speaker 3: really isn't a church. He wanted to use celebrities. And
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  Speaker 3: now we see this in every single cult doc that
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  Speaker 3: I've ever covered. We now know because of our modern
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  Speaker 3: ecosystem with influencers that if you have somebody who has
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  Speaker 3: a big platform, they can be enormously influenced. They can
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  Speaker 3: be an enormous influence. So he wanted celebrities to be
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  Speaker 3: part of the organization. And then when the new leader
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  Speaker 3: took over, he sort of ramped it up. So that
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  Speaker 3: was why they probably grew so much, I would say,
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  Speaker 3: during maybe like a decade or or two because of
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  Speaker 3: the Tom Cruise's and the John Travolta's because they're putting
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  Speaker 3: a face to this organization and people are sort of
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  Speaker 3: a Lord into it, slurred into it. So when she leaves,
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  Speaker 3: she had just gone to Tom Cruise's wedding and she
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  Speaker 3: created problems internally because the leader of the church, his
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  Speaker 3: wife had disappeared and no one was allowed to ask
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  Speaker 3: what happened to her. Her Still to this day, no
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  Speaker 3: one knows any idea where she is. But internally, you
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  Speaker 3: can't ask because there are consequences. There are labor consequences.
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  Speaker 3: You have to do certain things. They make your life
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  Speaker 3: really difficult. So she goes to this wedding, the wedding
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  Speaker 3: of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes, and she says something
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  Speaker 3: in passing like, where's Shelly? And the organization is structured
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  Speaker 3: so that everybody snitches on you. Everybody snitches. So... they
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  Speaker 3: reports get back to headquarters. Lee is asking about the
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  Speaker 3: leader's wife, which is a big no, no. And then
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  Speaker 3: they were like, we're out to destroy you and make
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  Speaker 3: your life difficult. And that was sort of like the
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  Speaker 3: straw that broke the camel's back. There were a number
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  Speaker 3: of things, but that was like, I can't take this anymore.
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  Speaker 3: So it was a huge deal that she left. And
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  Speaker 3: then she writes this book. And the book is like
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  Speaker 3: a New York times bestseller right away because she As
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  Speaker 3: you can imagine, everybody's finding this organization is so mysterious.
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  Speaker 3: And also, if you remember, Tom Cruise marries Katie Holmes,
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  Speaker 3: and their relationship is so bizarre. It was actually just
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  Speaker 3: when I moved to L.A. that they got married, and
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  Speaker 3: I used to pray that I would meet her at
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  Speaker 3: the coffee bean and be able to save her. Just
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  Speaker 3: take her back to my apartment and get all the
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  Speaker 3: information and save her. Eventually, we know now that she
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  Speaker 3: leaves him, and it seemed like it was in the
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  Speaker 3: middle of the night. Now, if people that are listening
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  Speaker 3: go back in history, you will be enormously amused when
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  Speaker 3: you look at pictures of Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes
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  Speaker 3: when they lived in New York City running because he
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  Speaker 3: would insist they wore monochromatic outfits and they held hands
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  Speaker 3: while they ran. I mean, the most bizarre behavior. So
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  Speaker 3: everybody was sort of mystified by that relationship already. And
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  Speaker 3: then you see celebrities like Leah and Jenna Elfman and
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  Speaker 3: John Travolta. And then because Leah was so such good
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  Speaker 3: friends with Jennifer Lopez and Mark Anthony, that they go
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  Speaker 3: with her to the wedding. Now, do they have a
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  Speaker 3: relationship with Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes? Probably not. But
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  Speaker 3: as we know with these celebrities, Meghan Markle too, like
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  Speaker 3: there's a wedding, let's invite as many people because that
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  Speaker 3: gets us more attention. And then it shows like that
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  Speaker 3: we're this high powered couple. It gives us currency. So
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  Speaker 3: it was a big slap in the face to the
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  Speaker 3: organization when she leaves, then she writes this book. So
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  Speaker 3: she goes on to create this series on A &
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  Speaker 3: E that goes behind the scenes of the church and
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  Speaker 3: interviews people who had left. And her co-host was Mike Rinder.
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  Speaker 3: Mike Rinder had been one of the top, basically, top
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  Speaker 3: lieutenants in the church, and then he had left as well.
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  Speaker 3: So two of the biggest headaches for this organization are
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  Speaker 3: super public, and they did what everyone thought was unthinkable
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  Speaker 3: at the time, was convinced a network to partner with
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  Speaker 3: them to bring these stories, because everyone was sort of
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  Speaker 3: frightened about doing or saying anything that would go against them.
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  Speaker 3: So it becomes a huge hit. They get Emmy nominations
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  Speaker 3: and Leah and Mike become so close. And you can
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  Speaker 3: only imagine why that would happen because so few people
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  Speaker 3: would understand the kind of life experiences that they both had.
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  Speaker 3: So Mike passed away from cancer. And I have to say,
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  Speaker 3: he was one of the nicest people ever. I interviewed him.
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  Speaker 3: He has a great book that you can go back
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  Speaker 3: and read and was generous beyond measure. I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: I needed a guest, even if I had Nothing to
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  Speaker 3: do with his line of business. He would go out
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  Speaker 3: of his way to help me. Wonderful person. So the
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  Speaker 3: loss of Mike has been a huge loss for Leah.
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  Speaker 3: But when the announcement came out that she was joining
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  Speaker 3: the show, it reminded me of something that Mike said
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  Speaker 3: to me. Because I had asked, in doing this A &
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  Speaker 3: E show, I had also interviewed a producer who had said,
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  Speaker 3: when we sign on to the show, we... really had
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  Speaker 3: to all go off social media because we didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to be targeted because the people that had left the organization,
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  Speaker 3: former members, you know, they're, they're telling everybody we're having
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  Speaker 3: people follow us or like our phones are getting bugged,
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  Speaker 3: all of this. So for, for a network to say,
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  Speaker 3: we don't care. This is a story we need to tell.
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  Speaker 3: It was a big deal. So I asked him, are
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  Speaker 3: you in fear now because you're being so open and
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  Speaker 3: going against them and being so public? And he said,
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  Speaker 3: that you're almost protected the more you are in public,
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  Speaker 3: which is not what you would imagine. So to me,
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  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people would think Leah Remini,
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  Speaker 3: maybe this is not her, maybe she watches reality shows,
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  Speaker 3: but it's a surprise to me that she would do this.
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  Speaker 3: I have to think that she's mindful of what Mike said.
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  Speaker 3: It gives her even more power. And she has that
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  Speaker 3: kind of personality, I think, that... You know those... When
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  Speaker 3: we would go to a fair or a carnival, there's
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  Speaker 3: things that you punch and it pops back up? I
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  Speaker 3: think that's Leah Remini. And I think she's like, you
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  Speaker 3: think I'm down? You got the wrong girl. So I
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  Speaker 3: think that she would seek out an opportunity like this
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  Speaker 3: because of the platform that is. And she is going to...
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  Speaker 3: She's going to be able to share her story with
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  Speaker 3: a whole new audience. And Lord knows, you know this too,
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  Speaker 3: the Bravo audience, if they love you, they are going
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  Speaker 3: to support you. And I think there's so much power
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  Speaker 3: in her telling her story. And I'm grateful because, you know,
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  Speaker 3: to me, I want these shows to show different experiences
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  Speaker 3: of women. And I don't want to hear about the
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  Speaker 3: bags you bought. I want to hear about your heartache and,
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  Speaker 3: and your, your triumphs and your tragedies and all of it.
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  Speaker 3: And I just think this is an incredible story to tell.
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  Speaker 3: And I mean, just with that, the death of the
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  Speaker 3: pastor's wife documentary that you just saw.
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  Speaker 2: Last week, it's huge. Crazy.
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  Speaker 3: So many people reacting to leaving one's, um, religion or
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  Speaker 3: their church and how emotional it is and how scary
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  Speaker 3: it is. And I think she's going to connect with
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  Speaker 3: audiences in a huge way.
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  Speaker 1: And to your point, though, I was trying to think
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  Speaker 1: about this, you know, based on what the producers said
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  Speaker 1: in terms of the more you're outspoken about this the Scientology,
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  Speaker 1: the more protected you are because there is more eyeballs
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  Speaker 1: put on you. And listen, worst case scenario, if they
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  Speaker 1: try to do something to you, allegedly, all.
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  Speaker 2: Roads will lead back to that.
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  Speaker 1: Particular organization if that's the case. So the thing with
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  Speaker 1: Leah Remini, which you and I both know, a lot
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  Speaker 1: of A-list Hollywood actresses and celebrities watch this show from
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  Speaker 1: Julia Roberts to Jennifer Lawrence. They've been very vocal about
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  Speaker 1: watching the show. So what's interesting is She is going
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  Speaker 1: to also, oh my gosh, I'm fascinated now. If I'm
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  Speaker 1: Julia Roberts, Kate, or Jennifer Lawrence, and I know about
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  Speaker 1: this other side of Hollywood, the fact that Leah Remini
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  Speaker 1: is going to be so bold to talk about the
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood world, not only we as the consumer is going
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  Speaker 1: to be intrigued, that audience of A-list celebrities is going
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  Speaker 1: to watch it and be like, That is the truth.
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  Speaker 1: And that fascination is going to be hurt as well.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to set their truth free.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. That's genius.
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  Speaker 3: It's really genius.
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  Speaker 1: I was talking to a producer friend of mine and
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  Speaker 1: she said to me, Leah Remini being cast on Billy Hills,
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  Speaker 1: it does nothing but help the other franchises because that
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  Speaker 1: is a huge hit.
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  Speaker 2: Do you agree with that sentiment? Because I actually do
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 3: I would think And if you are somebody who watches
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  Speaker 3: Leah Remini on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, and she's
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  Speaker 3: explaining this entire life story, which is so compelling, and
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  Speaker 3: then you're going to go watch an episode of Real
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  Speaker 3: Housewives of Orange County. It's like two different planets, right? Right.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's going to make the other franchises realize
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  Speaker 3: that the audience is hungry for really compelling storytelling. And
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  Speaker 3: if you are not willing to crack yourself open and
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  Speaker 3: show us really what your life is about, we're going
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  Speaker 3: to move on. I think it's going to make other
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  Speaker 3: shows rise to the occasion. Like we really need to
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  Speaker 3: be finding people who are really, just really have compelling stories.
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  Speaker 1: And, and, and being bold to speak about something that's controversial. Look,
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  Speaker 1: When it came to the previous couple of seasons of
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  Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, you and I are avid viewers of the show.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for you. I felt that
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  Speaker 1: the past couple of seasons have been hard to watch
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  Speaker 1: only because the missing element is what you said so eloquently,
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  Speaker 1: which is.
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  Speaker 2: We care less about the price of the bag.
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  Speaker 1: We care more about the price of fame or the
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  Speaker 1: price you're paying to be, you know, a housewife or
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  Speaker 1: like Sutton, you know, losing your last name, what that
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  Speaker 1: meant for you in the high society. And, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when Amanda Francis was on, and I couldn't wait to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you about this particularly because you and I
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  Speaker 1: have talked off camera about even her presence on the show.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Amanda Francis obviously was a a younger newbie that came
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: in with a cult background, but it appeared that the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: ladies just did not open up to her. They didn't
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: welcome her with open arms, and she only lasted for
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: one season. TMZ reported she was not asked back.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: To the show. but she was asked on the show
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: about her background in being a cult. You now have.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Leah Remini, who sort of is giving that on a
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: grand scale. Where do you think things went wrong for
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Amanda Francis that Bravo did not ask her back, but
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: they got Leah Remini? To me, there's a parallel there
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: that I don't think people are really touching.
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: Well, two things that jump out at me is that
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: I think what you need for Real Housewives of Beverly Hills...
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: is somebody who tells the story of the city, right?
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: And you want somebody who has worked in the entertainment industry.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Leah Remini has worked in the industry. She has connections
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: with everybody. She's been on shows. She's been in movies.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Her friends are movie stars. Amanda Francis feels like somebody
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: who came from the Midwest and was plopped onto a show.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: So she didn't really have the connections. That's a missing piece.
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: And I think that the audience... If you talk about how,
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: and it was sort of just like in passing, I
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: was part of a cult, but then you have a
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: business that seems to operate like a cult adjacent. I
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: think viewers turn away from that. I actually thought she
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: would have been better on Real Housewives of Orange County.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: She really doesn't even live that far from me. I
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: think that Orange County is more of a, and I
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: say this living here, I'm an outsider who now lives
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: here It's much more about everybody here wants to present
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: this image that they are like a big-time baller, even
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: if it's not true. In most cases, it's not true.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: And they're in deep debt, but they want you to
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: think they've got a Maserati and they've got a beach
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: house in Malibu. I mean, that's just the way... And
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: she sort of represents that to me, where you're telling
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: me that you have all these things, but is it
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: all just sort of surface? So I think... It was
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: two things. I think she didn't really have the deep
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: entertainment connections. It's just she's not really enhancing the story
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: of the city, which is a company town. It's an
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: industry town, right? And I think that people were sort
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: of turned off by, I was in a cult, but
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: now I'm operating a business which gives cult vibes.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Were you surprised she wasn't asked back on the show? No,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: not at all.
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: Uh-uh. I did not think she would be asked back.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I didn't think she would be asked back after the
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: first episode I saw.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: Why? Tell me.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: Well, I just didn't see any connection with the other women.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: I think that that's a problem maybe across all franchises too,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: is that she was younger than them and she's just
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: of a different generation. And I think there are a
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: lot of like communication gap, which one could say, well,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: that's kind of interesting to chase that story. But yeah,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: since she didn't have any connections, it didn't make sense.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Like let's say it was Billy Lord, who is the
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: daughter of Carrie Fisher. And she's an actress. If she
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: were on the show, that would be more of a
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: compelling story because you know that she probably has a
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: connection to Leah Remini and Kyle Richards. But just to
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: take someone younger who has no friendship with them, has
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: this like bizarre business that's hard to explain to people.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: It just felt like stunt castings.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes. No, for sure. For sure. For sure.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: And I think what was so interesting to me watching
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: it was the women refused to even like embrace her
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: or like even give her a chance. I think they
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: all felt like you're not somebody that we want to
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: be friends with.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: You don't really represent us.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: And they did not even try to pretend that she did.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: And one other thing.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: I have to say is that this is not a
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: group of women who are grinders. they're women of the,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: they represent the city. They're women who like, well, my
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: husband was a producer and I get to go to
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: lunches and she's a grinder that there's like a despair,
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a disparity there. She doesn't fit in.
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: Like she, she, she treated the show infomercial. She was
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: like telling you about her books and with all of
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: her like little hash, you know, hashtags and her, and
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: her one-liners, and, you know, she's, like, selling you constantly
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: to a bunch of women who are not grinders. Interesting.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: With that being said, though, because you're onto something, to me,
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: why didn't Rachel Zoe connect then?
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Because I think Rachel Zoe's a grinder, or not.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: But she's, like, she's... God bless, God bless. But, like,
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: she has been working in that industry for so long.
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: She has the connections... she's not going to embrace somebody
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: who like rolls into town is like, I've got a
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: manifesting business and you do, you need to give me
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: the respect I deserve. It's like somebody who has like
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: a startup and they walk into like a Forbes conference
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: and walk up to like the CEO of like Goldman Sachs.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And they're like, you and me, we're on the same page, man.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: They're like, no, we're not.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, touche, right? Touche.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Do you think, because one thing I know working in reality,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: especially when it comes to like a franchise as big
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: as Real Housewives is, you know, there is this desire.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: To go younger, right? Because you don't want to age
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: out your demographic.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: So like even when OC, you know, I can't believe
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: it's been seven years, but seven years ago when they
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: cast Emily and Gina, right?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: The intention was we need.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Someone younger to balance the age gap of these other women.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: What I think is so interesting is the fact that
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: they got rid of Amanda, who was by far the youngest,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: and then they cast two women, Leah Remini and Tracy Tudor,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: women in their 50s.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: What does that say about.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Where Housewives of Beverly Hills, let's stick with them, where
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: they're heading in terms of success?
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Well, I think that they probably really look at, or
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I assume, it's interesting because it's the same producers, but
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: I feel like the women of Beverly Hills, they sort
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: of seem to be evolving together in a way that
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: the OC women never do. They still feel like, women
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: who despise one another who show up and clock in
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: for work. I don't think they ever talk outside of,
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: and their lives really haven't changed in like 20 years.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: It's just like, so you're watching, you're like, okay, I
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: want to watch women who have like fabulous lifestyles. I'm like,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: only maybe Heather has that. And she doesn't even live
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: in orange County. Right. I want to see, okay. If
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: they don't have fabulous lifestyles, maybe they're just old, old
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: time friends who have the most fun together and have,
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: first of all, they don't have any fun together and
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: they're not really friends and none of them have any
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: compelling stories to tell. Again, someone who left a cult versus,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: you know, Gina is like maybe going to get married.
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: I don't, by the way, I've never, I'd never see
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: her kids and sure. You can argue with me. Is
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: it necessary to see the kids? Well, but if you
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: don't show me your spouse, your place that you work,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: any of your friends, I don't know anything that you
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: do for like throughout your day. I absolutely, I like,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know anything about Gina. It's not that compelling. Yeah.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'm with you.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: I'm like, why don't you show me When she gets up,
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: when the butler comes in and opens the shades and
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: then is preparing her a hard-boiled egg, I want to
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: know what she does. Does she get on an exercise bike?
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: Does she walk around the block? I don't know anything
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: about their lives. I know. Zero. Does Vicky have employees?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Do they hate her? What does she do with her boyfriend?
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: No.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: It's like, you know what? OC is just feels like
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: it's not even storytelling. It's like women going on trips.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: And tripping and falling.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: There's no storytelling.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Like if I get together with my friends, I'm like,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: what's new? What's going on? And it's like a litany
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: of things. I hate my in-laws. I can't, I'm trying
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: to get my kid into college. Oh, all the other
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: baseball moms think that their kids, the next, you know,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: a rod, like they're stuck. Oh, everybody has stuff going on.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: And how could you have a show about people that
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: there's nothing going on? It's crazy.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: No, listen, I could go on and on about that
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: because I, you know me, one thing that you and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I both love is personal story when it comes to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: these reality stars.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: And that's why I am satisfied that.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: The casting of Leah Remini alone really shows us that, yes,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: clearly what you and I have been preaching about for
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: the past three seasons have been this urge of like,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: we need something that is going to show us something
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: different that represents the city you live in. but also
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: make us salivate at the personal story in which you're
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: barking on. And that's been missing for quite some time.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: And I think Leah is what the doctor ordered.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I think it's a great, great, great choice. What are
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: your thoughts about Tracy Tudor? I'm not sure. We never
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: talked about this. Were you an avid watcher of Million
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Dollar Listing?
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: I've definitely watched it. And I think what's interesting about
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: her is that her father is this extremely successful real
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: estate developer, extremely successful. Now she has the team.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: People don't know that.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: Oh, extremely successful, but more like commercial real estate. And
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: she has said, okay, I went out on my own
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: to become a residential real estate agent, two different worlds.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: And it's not like I was given all these opportunities.
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: I think people would obviously have like one eyebrow raised
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: as yours just did like, Well, how does that work
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: when your father is like, I think he may be
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: a billionaire.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Hey, Casey, shut the front door.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: So that is like, I want to know, what is
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: it like to grow up with that much privilege? And
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: then your father's like, I don't know, you got to
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: do this on your own. And then how do people
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: treat you if you're in real estate and your dad
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: is super successful and you're starting out your career? Does
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: it help or hinder things? She was also married to
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: a model who cheated on her. she's got two daughters
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: who are at the best age that I think, because
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: they're at the age where when you have little kids
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: on shows, they're still, the mom's still telling them what
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: to say, like early years of Teresa. And they think
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: their mom is the greatest in the world. Teenagers and
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: college age kids are the best because they're going to
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: roast the mom. So the mom's all about like, I
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: want to present this image a la Vicki Gumbelson. And then,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: you know, Michael and Brianna are like, you're insane. That's stupid.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Why would you do that? I think that dynamics always
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: really funny. And she seems like somebody who would laugh
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: at the things that her kids would say, which I really,
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: which shows you to me, like she's a great mom.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: So she's just been born into a world. When people
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: watch Beverly Hills, they're like, I want to see bonkers money,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: unbelievable properties, jewelry, makeup, glamor. That is the world that
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Tracy Tudor was born into. That is her friend circle.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: but it does seem like she's like a girl who
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: could go to Schenectady and like go to a local
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: bar and have a great time. And that, that's why
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I find her really compelling. Yeah. She just, she seems
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: like despite all that, she's like a fun girl's girl.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, she, she's so fucking cool. Kate.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Um, right.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: I think she's just, and it's funny because the reason
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: why I'm gagging, I've, I've watched every single episode she's
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: been on a million-dollar listing, and I had no idea
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: about her backstory because on that particular show, it's less
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: about your personal story. Yes, we saw her go through
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: a divorce, and we saw her date the hot trainer,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: but that show is more about the transaction on the
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: real estate, the negotiation of the deal, and, you know,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: the conflict with the three agents, especially if it... if
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: it bleeds into their work, like that's what that show
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: is about is less about like the legacy.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: And I think when, when, when you.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Always talked about this too, which is so true, and
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I confirmed this to you, to you as a producer, the,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: the city in which you are a housewife, you have
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: to represent that city. You, because our, our, our saying
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: is always Kate, could this show.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Be in Idaho and we won't know the difference.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, you've often said Salt Lake City at times
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: could have been the Real Housewives of Scottsdale, and you
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: would have been like, okay.
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Nothing about that show, I love the show, but nothing
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: about that show gives me Salt Lake City. If I'm wrong,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: it doesn't.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: It just doesn't.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: I think Real Housewives of New York should be a
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: lot of women that have direct connection to the financial
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: service world. Because to me, New York is like a
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: financial service town. Atlanta, to me, is entertainment. Yes. We've
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: got to tell the story like Chicago. I feel like
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: that's like finance to sports to Miami is all about
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: like fast living and you.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Don't know where the money actually comes from. Yeah.
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: Like fancy houses with, but, but like, is this clean money?
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Like what's happening? Like everyone is so rich in South beach,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: but then you go five minutes down the street and
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: it's a total other, total other thing. Yeah, you got
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: to tell the story of the city, like what makes
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: that city so unique and who lives there and why
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: are they like that?
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Because when you think about Tracy, it's the idea of
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: this is somebody similar to like a Kyle Richards, right? Obviously,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Kyle is more entertainment based, but she comes from.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: The world of her sister was a child star, right?
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Her mother was, you know, before there was a Teresa Giudice,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: Big Kathy was, like, the stage mom who married well
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: and taught her daughters, like, you all need to do
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the same thing if you want to be taken care.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Of in this life.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: And that's what we saw. When it comes to Tracy,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the idea of her father being this major commercial real estate,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: you know, entrepreneur who.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: May be a billionaire.
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: and us having access to that town, I feel like
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: it's going to be super intimidating to the likes of Dorit,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: which you and I know based on our research doing
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: these podcast episodes, that there's already integration of these two
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: women being at odds because Tracy's glam team told her
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: that Dorit never paid them, and that became fodder on
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: social media. So the fact that Tracy's coming in with
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a you know, leg up.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: She's not afraid and not afraid to say anything, but
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: I think someone who may have not grown up in
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: the city and already has all these connections would maybe
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: be intimidated and not want to say something to read
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: because they think she's got more leverage because she's been
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: on the show longer. But that's the beauty of Beverly Hills.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: It's like, who gives two shits about this show? I've
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: lived here. I know people who are like, like run
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: movie studios. You're a nobody. The classism thing on every
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: show is my favorite.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: It's the best.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: It's a social experiment. What happens when you take a
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: woman from great privilege who already knows everybody in Hollywood,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: let alone their secrets, and plops them into a show
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: with their own sort of system, operating system? Tracy may
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: be the new Kyle Richards of Kyle Richards wants to
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: move to Nashville and like take a break for a
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: year or maybe not even come back eventually. Like I
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: think they, they got a really solid cast member with
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: her because I think she really exemplifies that city and
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: she's bold and funny and not afraid to tell her
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: story and like just crack her life open. And I
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: think those are all the things that, in the same
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: way I think that Alexia is great in real housewives
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: of Miami because yeah. Oh yeah. And it was like, yeah,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: my ex-husband was like a cocaine dealer and went away.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Like I love somebody. That's the beauty of making shows
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: with women that are over 40 years old because they've
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: had a life well lived and they get, and they
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: get to a point where they're like, I don't worry
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: so much about the people in my community and if
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: I fit in. I'm over that shit. My kids are older.
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: I've been there, done that. Maybe I'm working on my
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: second career. Or maybe my husband left me and I'm like,
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: now I want to live the life that I have
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: always wanted. They're at a place where they're much more
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: confident about who they are. Now, then they go on
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: the show, they become famous, and then all hell breaks loose.
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: But in terms of joining a show, I like somebody
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: who's had a life well-lived.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Do you think Leah is going to bring J-Lo on
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the show?
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they have a great relationship right now.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: No? Wait, did I miss something?
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I think the Ben Affleck of it
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: all complicated their relationship. Because my understanding is that Leah
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: is probably the kind of friend who's like, this guy's
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: a bozo. And if you're really in love with someone
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: and you want to make it work, maybe you have
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: to take a pause. Because you don't want to hear
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: the truth. Sometimes a friend's like, I'm just going to
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: go hard and tell you what you need to hear.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people are not willing to hear that.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: So I think, I think they're kind of maybe trying
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: to find their way back to what it was, but,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: but again, very true to life. And you do, a
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: lot of people have friendships that kind of ebb and
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: flow because of the person they choose as their partner.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: If I were her, and I would go lean into that,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: talk about that, because the audience is going to love that. Like, yeah,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: it sucks. I hated the guy she married. What am
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: I supposed to do? Lie about it? I don't want
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: to hang out with him.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: And you know they're going to talk about that because
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: the thing is this. When I was watching... Did you watch.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: J-Lo's documentary, The Making of the Greatest Luster in the World.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Which is my example of a bad documentary. When they
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: are the executive producers of their own documentary, you know
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: it's going to be a doozy. You know?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you and I would agree on this.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: One of my favorite scenes, I'm going to say yours too,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the Jane Fonda phone call.
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: When Jane Fonda called JLo and said, I feel like
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: you're trying to prove something to people, the photograph of
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: you guys kissing. And Jayla got defensive and said, well,
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: this is my real life. This is our real life.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And looked at her team with a little bit of a, like,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: what is she talking about? And it was sort of
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: like this wise woman is telling you this is a
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: bad idea.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Months later, you guys are divorced.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure to your point, Kate, Leah Remini also
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: was probably like, This is insane. And that's the type
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: of brutal honesty that Beverly Hills is going to need because, listen,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: we're kind of over the calendary thing.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: We got it. We get it. It's done.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: But to get real conversations, I think those two women, Kate,
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: are going to have the likes of Erica Jane and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Sutton really step it up. Like, they're going to need
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: to start being... brutally honest about things because, listen, I'm
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: a big fan of Erika Jaynes. I appreciated that she
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: was able to tell her story of domestic violence last season.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: But the elephant in the room was you were going
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: through this, you know, at some time last year, the year.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Before, and no one knew about it. No one even
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: knew you were dating. Look, the abuse is one thing, right?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: Which we know, unfortunately, women... They are afraid, and I
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: get that. So I'm not saying she should have told
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: us when it was happening.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: Duh.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: But I think for all of us as the audience,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: no one even knew you were dating. So when the
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: bomb dropped, while we appreciate and felt, and of course
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: our heart felt for you, we also was left with,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: what is happening in your life that we're not getting?
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: I think she probably would have been better off taking
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: a year or two off the show and then came back.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: She needed to like collect her thoughts, but I'm sure
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: financially she was in a position where it was not
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: a good idea for her to go off the show.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: I do have some empathy for Erica because if we
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: go back in time, remember when they would film scenes
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: in the Pasadena house and the way that he would
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: talk to her and talk to the other women and
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: he would have that gross like styrofoam cup, like he
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: was an absolute loser.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: He was. But you could tell.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: There was a complete power disparity and she was terrified
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: of him. So I think people were frustrated, too, after
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: everything kind of happened. It's like, why are you supporting
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: this guy? He was awful to you. And if it's
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: true that he's put you into financial ruin, just be
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: honest about it. But a couple years out, you have
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: to wonder, is she still afraid of him and why?
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: I wish she would talk about that stuff, but she
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to yet for whatever reason. And I think
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: it would have been better... She went off the show
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: for a little bit and then came back because I
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: get the sense when she even opened up about the
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: domestic violence situation, she was still in fear of how
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: the audience would take it because she's so used to
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: people pummeling her. I think that maybe Leah will be
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: great because she's going to say, that guy was an asshole.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Tell your truth. And it may be the first person
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: that maybe she feels like, this person has as much
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: power or the kind of power I want to be around.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: And then she's going to feel the freedom to kind
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: of express maybe what she wasn't free to do or
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: didn't feel confident enough to do, you know, a couple
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: of years ago. She just doesn't seem like when you're
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: that kind of a force of nature and you're around
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: a bunch of duds who like don't even talk, you're
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: not going to feel compelled to open up, especially if
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: you feel like, the audience is going to have a
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: reaction because I'm perceived as like the villain on this show.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Who's like domineering. But if you have somebody else who
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: comes on the show, who's domineering, it softens you a
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: little bit.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: True.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Maybe the audience would be more open to hearing about
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: what actually happened in her marriage, which I have to
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: believe was really difficult. That man was an SOB. I mean,
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: the memory would, At that dinner, and he was just, like,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: so condescending to all of the women. I get a
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: visceral reaction to those scenes in the same way I
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: got a visceral reaction to, like, David Foster. I like
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: the way he talked to David Foster. You did?
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: You didn't tell me this.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, he was a jerk to those women.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: Tell me what scene particular.
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: It's no different than if, like, you have a bunch
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: of girlfriends, and you go to someone's house for dinner,
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: and the husband's kind of, like, an asshole to everybody. Like,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: you stupid wenches at my house, get out of here. You, like,
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: have a reaction. And I felt like he was... Not
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: very kind to Yolanda.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: Yolanda.
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: Like when he was playing the piano and he was like,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: oh God, you broads don't sing. You know, he just
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: seemed very dismissive of everybody. Now, maybe if I interviewed him,
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: he would say, our marriage was in the shitter and
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: I really didn't want to be on the show. I
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: didn't feel great about my marriage. Then I would make sense.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: But watching in that span of time, he looked like
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: a jerk.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's why I think it's important for everybody to
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: kind of tell their story because you never really know
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: the full truth until someone opens up. So like a
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: lot of the stuff that happens with housewives or Southern
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: tournament years later, that's why I love those interviews that
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: you do. And I do where you check back with
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: somebody years later. It's so much, it's so more informative
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: because you see things that they weren't willing to be
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: open about at the time because they're still living so
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: deep in it. Erica has been still living through this
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: process while still filming a show. And I just think
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: you got to go off the show sometimes. Of course, again,
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: I don't know what her financial situation is. Maybe that
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: she couldn't do that. But I mean, it's like if
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: you go to work every single day for, you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: four months, you become an asshole because you need to
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: go and spend a weekend, you know, at home and
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: relax because you can't really see the forest through the trees. Yeah.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Listen, I agree with you 100%.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: And that's why the introduction of these two women, I think,
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: is going to take Beverly Hills to unforeseen heights. And
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I would go as far as KS to say, Leah
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: and Tracy have the opportunity to really be some of
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: the force multipliers that this show needs.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: There isn't, as much as Kyle is sort of the
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: face of the show and the women respect her, there
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: needs to be like this Lisa Rinna-esque force that, like
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you said, the one thing Lisa Rinna did not have,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: courtesy of maybe people looking at her as a soap
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: opera actress, she did not have, to me, the respect
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: or the pedigree where these women felt the need to
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: like Not bow down to her, but, like, you know, listen.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: I think Leah and Tracy are two women that have
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: what it takes for.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: These women to, like, get in line.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: I know. It's going to be great. That ratings for
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: the premiere is going to be high. Again, I think
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: the other women, if you are in Real Housewives of whatever,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: you're going to watch that show and go, Now this
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: is compelling TV. Like, what am I doing? The other
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: thing I'll say about the two of them, they have
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: been so successful in their careers. I'm less worried about
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: them becoming absolute monsters because I feel like if you
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: didn't really have a sense of identity and then you
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: became like a Bravo star, that's when you become the monster. Well,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: that's why you had a whole identity beforehand. You can separate.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: You're like, this is wonderful that all that this audience
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: like is really gravitating to my story. And it's lovely
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: that I've been invited to watch what happens live in
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Bravo con, but this is not career defining for me.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: And that's where I get worried about a lot of
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: housewives is that I'm like, Oh God, now they've gone
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: to the other side. We lost them. We lost them.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Okay. My last question for you. Yeah.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Leah Remini has joined. Which means anything is possible. I
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: thought getting Eileen Davidson was the biggest get.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Leah has set the bar.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: With that being said, hey Casey, is Meghan Markle going
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: to join next?
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Because I really believe that their marriage is just
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: not going to be great. And I fear that there
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: may be some sort of headache about this. kids because
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: I just don't see them wanting to live in the
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: same continent. So what do you do with that? That's what,
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: but the only thing of that Harry and Megan story,
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: the only thing that hasn't happened is like, she's told
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: us like sold the book that I'm sure she's got
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: like already 14 chapters written. Right. So, That's probably like
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: her ace in the hole. Uh-huh. Well, you know, there,
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that it's widely been since we
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: talked about it. I talked with Kinsey is that she
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: had been shopping a book about like being on her own,
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: like post-divorce.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Do you believe it?
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, do you really think that they're going to be
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: long and lasting?
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: They're just two different people. Absolutely not.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: He's from some kind of aristocracy, and his father has
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: someone clip his nails. That was his world. You're really
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: going to move to Montecito and drive your kids to
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: school every day and not have everybody go, oh my God,
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: it's so incredible to meet you every day of your life?
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: He's going to be like, let me get out of here.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: Let me blow this taco stand. I'm going back to
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: England where everyone's like freaking out when they meet me
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: and they think I'm the greatest person ever. And her life,
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: as we talked about, like it doesn't matter what you
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: do when it comes to the aristocracy, they don't care
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: you're self-made. They don't care you're from America. They don't care.
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: If you are not one of them, you will never
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: be accepted. There's nothing that she can do that will
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: ever accept her. Like ladies in London, it was so funny.
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: I had someone come on and talk about why that
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: show is so unique is that the Americans were trying
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: so hard to, to like fit in. And at one
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: point this American says, you know, we're all self-made and
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: Mark and, um, the other one, I forget her name
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: right now, but she said, what are you saying? We're
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: not self-made like gross. Like they were repulsed by that.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Being self-made is embarrassing in England. Like what, what? So
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: all the things that Megan holds, so like her value
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: so much about herself, They don't really accept there. So
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: they're never going to work out. And by the way,
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: who would want that life to be a Royal? First
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: of all, you have to wear pantyhose. No, you have like,
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: you can't have colored nail polish. Like what color nail
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: polish to wear. Also, you have to go to all
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: these events and clap. If it's like, like some break
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: dancers or like kids playing the flute or or people
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: making muffins and you have to sit there and clap
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: and act like you're interested. Like a reality star would
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: not want to do that. You know what I mean?
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Yes. So I think.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: She'll be much happier in, in, in America and specifically
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: in Beverly Hills, because that's probably like the thing that
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: she cares most about in this world is probably like acting.
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, American fame. So of course she's going to
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: go back and, but what do they do about the
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: kid situation? I think she's stuck there. Now, once the
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: kids are in school there, how do you reverse course
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: and get them to pack all their stuff up and
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: then go back to America?
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I don't envy her life.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: I think, listen, I think she signed up for something
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: she thought she could control, right?
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: Which is like, what were you thinking? Yeah.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: And it's not what she thought it was.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: And I think because when I listened to your episode,
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: the moment that paused.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: Me was when you guys were talking.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: About the fact that what is life like now for
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Harry and how that impacts her and their marriage.
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: Like you said, the fact that he's waking up like,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: what the fuck did I get myself into? Do you
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: know what I mean?
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: And the misery he must have in his marriage. And
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I think for her, the chasing of the moment has
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: not been rewarding for her. And even, I think even now,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: there's still like this weird sort of like confirmation, non-confirmation
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: of her joining the Netflix series season three of The Gentleman.
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: And... I don't think that was actually a real thing
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: at all. I think the geniuses at the streamer were like,
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: let's float this idea to get press for the show.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: And by the way, they're genius.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: You know why they are? Can I tell you what
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I did? I started watching the show. See?
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Because the characters that he writes, she would be like,
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's probably loosely based on her. But yeah,
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: now you're watching it.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Genius. Theo James is the hottest man on Netflix.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Listen, look, I was happy to watch, but it was
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: on my radar and I said, let me.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: Get into this before season two begins. And I started
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: watching it. I'm like, oh, it's a good show. Kate,
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: you're good.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: So Raindrops, you heard it here first. If Meghan Markle
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: First of all, you know what's so.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Funny, Kate?
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: It's not even out of the realm of possibilities for
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: her to join Beverly Hills Housewives.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: No.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Like, I can totally see her doing it.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Like, beyond. And also, she's, like, high school friends with
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: David Foster's wife, Catherine. And, like, I could see them
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: joining up. That's, okay, let's put that into the universe.
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say three years from now, they join
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: the show together.
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: Younger.
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: The access of the world and having a different POV,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: I can watch episodes of what it's like to be
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: married to David Foster and the massive age gap between
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: him and Catherine McPhee, in addition to just the whole
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: American Idol shit, you know, all that stuff. But then
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: obviously with Meghan, not just the Harry shit, but the
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: fact that somebody can say, what the.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Fuck were you thinking? Like, did you really think you
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: were going to change?
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: I know. Yes.
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: It's fascinating to me.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: You know what's also interesting about like crazy rich people
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: and of course the Royals too, is that all of
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: their assets are really just like, it's just property. They
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: don't have like liquid assets. Like I have a friend
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: who does celebrity weddings and mega, mega wealthy weddings. And
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: he was saying that this one family, makeup family that
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: you are very familiar with, within their family, because he
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: did the wedding for one of them, they have to
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: ask permission for everything. Like even just like spending money
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: because everything is tied up in the properties. So it's like,
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: like a trust and you have to ask for it.
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: That is what she thought she was going to marry
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: into something that it is not. I think she was like,
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, there's a lot of shackles going on
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: here because I have to ask for X, Y, Z.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: Like I have been an independent, successful woman. And now
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: I have to ask permission for a bunch of people
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: who absolutely hate me. Like, I'm sorry, what? And then conversely,
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: I think he was like swept up in the love
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  Speaker 3: story and he kind of like probably like likes to
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: kind of do his own thing. And he's like an
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: American actress. Like I'm in charge of my life and
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: I can do what I want. And she is like
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: everything I've ever wanted. And I think there were, there
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: were probably people that were like, you know, the Leah
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: remedies of the world who were like, okay, I get
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: the romance thing, but how are your lives actually going
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: to work together? Because it seems like you guys are
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: probably not going to be a great match in the
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: long run, but you don't want to hear it when
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: you're totally in love. You don't want to hear it.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: I also think his sense of self is so tied
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: into his military experience.
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  Speaker 2: Totally.
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: I think he did feel unmoored to be in America
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: in like a very suburban area and And away from
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: the British military, which is such a big part of
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: his life. I mean, it would be like you moving
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: to Luxembourg. And you're no longer around anybody who works
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: in the television industry.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: You're not watching shows.
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: You'd be like, what am I doing? What is happening?
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: And if you are not happy with the place you're living,
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: that just... it's a spider web effect to everything else
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  Speaker 3: in your life and every one of your, everybody around you.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: I say they split up. I predict three years. She's
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and she's dating a billionaire.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: I think they split up and he marries again, some aristocrat,
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: and then he can go and do all the aristocratic
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: things that he has missed out on. If you grow
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: up that way, you're going to be happy. Going to
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: the local school for like, you know, back to school
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: night with the teachers and all the parents were like,
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: I went to Ohio State and I played water polo
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: at UC Santa Barbara. He'd be like, where? I would
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: love to have known the friend that he's calling. You know,
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: he's like making the call from the car and he's like,
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: what the fuck did I do?
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: That is not his brother he can call. Yeah.
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah he's like got someone back back in headquarters he's
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: like you are not gonna believe this shit by the
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: way that's if anybody needs a friend like that in
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: their life please let that be me i love to
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: be the person that gets the phone call from the
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: car and you want to vent that's my chef's kiss
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: i love it There's got to be somebody who's been like,
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know what I'm doing. But again, the thing
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: to watch, because they're going to split up, what happens
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: with the kids?
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: Raindrops.
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: When you moved back to the country where the in-laws
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: who hate you live?
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: It's going to be crazy.
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: No.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: And you can tell he's an active father. Yeah.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: All right. Well, rain drop.
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: It's fun when you have little kids. That's a bummer
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: when you're not getting along with your spouse when your
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: kids are little. By the way, my oldest is now
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: a senior in high school. And I'm like, these people
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: with little kids, they don't even know what's headed their way.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: When you're trying to get your kid into college, you're
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: fighting about whether or not someone's going to take the
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: birthday party at the skating rink. wait till you know
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: what's up ahead oh listen before you go yeah i
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: think that you have okay you want to watch something
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: this weekend where you're.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Like yeah but tell him tell me.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Love is blind uk this season just ended season three
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: okay it's actual love stories an american version it's we
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: are peeing our pants we're punching the walls laughing we're
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: like who are these lunatics and why did they ever
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: think they would come together the people on Love is
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: Island UK actually fell in love and they are amongst
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: the hottest people that have walked the earth. When I'm
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: telling you, your eyes are going to pop out of
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: your head. They are, at least two of them look
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: like they could be supermodels. Really? And I'm talking about
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: the men specifically. You are not going to, it's such
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: a great watch. And it's faster paced than the, but
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: you know, you feel like the pods in the US
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: version are like eight episodes. This one's a little bit faster.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: That's the one to watch this weekend. Is there anything?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, because Raindrop, she always gives us what to watch
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: for the week on her podcast, Reality of Life with KKC.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: So KKC, let us know what we need to watch.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Love is Blind UK.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: Binge the whole thing. You're going to love it. If
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: you didn't watch Death of a Pastor's Wife, The Pastor's Wife.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: So good. But I got another one for you. Just
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: came out two days ago. Two days ago on, no,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: yesterday on Hulu. Welcome to the Family, The Murder of
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: Dan Markell. okay, this is up your alley. So picture it.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: This couple, they're both attorneys. They get married. They have
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: two sons. Her family is wackadoo. They're way too close.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: They they're in each other's business and her mom is
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: like running her life. So they get a divorce. They're
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: custody issues. He works as a law professor in Tallahassee,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: but the pair, her parents live in Miami, which is
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: seven hours away. And they are trying to do everything
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: to convince him to move to Miami area so they
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: can be with the grandkids more. And he's not for it.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: At one point, the mom and the brother say, we'll
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: give you $ 1 million. If you just say, you know what,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: go ahead and move to South Ford and be near
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: your parents. And of course the guy's like, no, I'm
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: not going to do that. So what happens? The mom
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 3: and the brother concoct a plan where they hire people
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: to kill the guy.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Shut Kate.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 3: So he comes home from the gym and, And dropping
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: the kids off, pulls into his garage. Someone walks over
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: to the car, shoots him in the head. Now the mom,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: the mother-in-law, so the girl's mother, calls the oldest brother
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: who's like the Marilyn Munster of the family. You know,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: there's like always one normal person. He's the normal one.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: And he lives up north. He's like, I want nothing
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: to do with these crazy people. She calls him and
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: she's like, well, Dan's dead. And he goes, what? What happened?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Somebody walked over to the car and asked him, are
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: you Dan Markell? And then they shot him and he goes, well,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: how would you know that? Think about it.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: He's dead.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: Someone walked over and said, are you Dan Markell? Like
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: he's dead. How do you know that? So he's like, uh,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: and then he says, well, I've already been in touch
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: with law enforcement. They've already called me. And she goes, well,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: you don't know anything anyway. He's then he never talked
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: to his mother again. He ended up, testifying against her
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: at the trial you think your family's insane watch this.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: Documentary it's how many episodes is it.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: To the family uh three perfect i think it's three
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: yeah death of a pastor's wife's four this one's three
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: and you're gonna get sucked into it and then so
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 3: then after both those docs I interviewed the directors or
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: the producers. So go back. Oh, and then also with
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: the Dan Markell story, one of my listeners was like,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Charlie Adelson, the brother who was involved in the murder,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: they go, oh, we knew him. He was in our
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: social circle. So they came on and told me all
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: about like what shenanigans he was involved in. You know,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: I'll always find somebody.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: You got the exclusive from the social circle?
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Yes. Anyway, okay, so let's go through that again. Love
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: is Blind UK, season three. Binge it if you want
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: a real love story and cry your face off. Okay.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: You're going to watch Death of the Pastor's Wife on Netflix,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: four episodes.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: So good. I could co-sign that with Kate. So good.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: I saw all four.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: And then lastly, Welcome to the Family, The Murder of
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: Dan Markel. It's on Hulu, three episodes.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: I'm watching that tonight.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: But also Disney +, you know, Hulu and then Disney +.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: Okay. Okay, I'm watching that tonight.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: But they can go to katecasey.substack.com and if they go
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: there and just plug in their email, I'll just send
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: you an email every week that lists everything you need
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: to watch.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: So list the email again. What is it, the website?
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: So it's just go into like your browser, put katecasey.substack.com.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: That's it.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Okay. And your podcast is?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: Reality Life with Kate Casey.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: I love you, sister.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Okay. And I will see you on the next one.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: Bye darling.
• 1:05:51
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