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Weekend Recap including the Kentucky Derby, Scott Dochterman talks Hawkeyes & Bill Seals on the Cyclones · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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Hi, good afternoon. Welcome Miller and Condon
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getting our week started on the Iowa Sports Radio network.
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Trent Condon and Ken Miller for the next couple of hours to talk
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sports with you. Thank you for starting your
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afternoon with us. If you're listening on Des
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anywhere, anytime or on the affiliates located throughout
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the state of Iowa. Grateful that you're here with
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us. Here's what we've got coming up.
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Busy program today. We're going to talk Iowa and
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Iowa State to get things going. Scott Dockerman's more than
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Iowa. Scott covers college football
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for the athletic. But we will cover a lot of
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ground with Doc Look forward to catching up on the couple of the
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outstanding issues that maybe need a little clarity when it
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comes to college football. Doc will be here at 1225 Bill
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Seals from cyclonereport.com. He'll join us at 12:45.
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Iowa State lost a running back already, Jaden Jackson.
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He decided to no longer a right for the program and even though
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there is no another opening of the transfer portal, Jaden
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Jackson made official this morning according to numerous
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cyclone sites that he is leaving Iowa State.
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So the running back room just got a well, there's a chair
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empty, another chair empty. So we'll talk to Bill Seals
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about that coming up. And and Cyclone fans are pissed
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off at Bill for reporting what the coach said, which is just
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unfathomable to me. The Jaden Jackson Bill.
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Bill reports what Coach Rogers said, and he's the villain and,
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well, there's some idiot out there on.
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Twitter. Don't even amplify it.
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Don't even amplify that Who? Thinks Bill's press pass should
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be taken away from reporting what was said.
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What an idiot. Yeah, I got it right.
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I got a call. He's just a fool.
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I'm going to find out and give him the.
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Now he's got a bad name, so I won't.
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But nonetheless, just come on. This is what's wrong with Iowa
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State. It truly is.
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This fan base just gets weaker and weaker and weaker.
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They do go away. Anyways it's in good mood till I
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saw that Bill steals the villain.
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Please yes. And it's not that he even came
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up with a column. This guy stinks.
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This guy should leave. That's not what this was, right?
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If you had that, I could understand some fan resentment.
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Absolutely. He reported what the coach said
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verbatim. Verbatim.
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He had a direct quote, yes. Oh my God.
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Anyways, have fun with that one over at you know where.
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But hour number two, Matt Snyder will join the program.
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He talks baseball, covers baseball, CBSSports.com.
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Look forward to catching up with Bill, with Bill, with Matt to
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kick off hour number two. And then Joe Donald, the voice
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of the Minnesota Wild will join us.
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What a hockey game last night. What a crazy game 96. 3 Nothing.
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I had to text you during it. I was just, I mean, do they both
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change their goalies? At this point?
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I have to think the Wild have to make the move.
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The wall of Saint Paul was not good yesterday and Gustafson had
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more starts during the regular season, so he gave up eight.
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One was an empty netter. Look, this can be a hell of a
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series. That's a hell of a series.
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There's two best teams playing. Two best teams still live in my
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opinion, Colorado and Minnesota, and I hope they entertain us
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like they certainly did last night if you like scoring, and
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we certainly had plenty of that after watching the did you see
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any of Tampa Bay, Montreal games?
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We watched most of the third period.
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Well, let me set it up because I've never seen anything like
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this. Montreal wins the game 21.
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Do you know how many shots they had in the second period, Trent?
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In the second period, I know they had nine overall for the
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game, they had none. They went in the second period.
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They get a shot at goal. They get a shot in goal, they
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had four in the third period, four shots in the final 40
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minutes and they won the hockey game.
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Both goals cheap. I mean, totally cheap.
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One went off, you know, somebody in front of the net.
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The other one was scored by a guy behind the net.
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But the count and and Montreal moves on and Tampa goes home.
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But that was unbelievably entertaining Puck last night,
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fun night, fun night of hockey. Basketball was me yesterday.
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What's what's your take so far in the NBA's first round?
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It's. Kind of stunk it has you know
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and those I. Wanted it to be good.
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The opening round games, the play in games, those were good.
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We we had some entertainment. The.
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Three out of the four. Games one and two, for the most
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part, that kind of compelling, interesting, there was a whole
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lot there. And then after that it has just
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been blowout after blowout. The entertainment level has
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dissipated in a big time way. It's kind of head scratching,
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right, how suddenly it can just be like we got two game sevens
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and I'll be honest, yesterday I watched a lot of the Boston
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Philly game on Saturday night, but that was it.
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I I just wasn't into it. I'd rather watch golf, you know,
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Kim Young was run away with I just.
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Did you bet him? No, I did not.
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No, I I didn't have much over the weekend.
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It was a rough weekend, was it? Oh yeah, absolutely.
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But it was just one of those days that the NBA as a whole, I
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need the Timberwolves back too. I mean, selfishly, that will
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definitely help and that'll ramp things up for me.
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And working his way back. So he's now questionable.
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He was doubtful, but he's been upgraded to questionable.
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What does that mean? Well, and I think they had to
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upgrade him because he was going through practice and I think
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there was something, the way that I was reading it is the way
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that he was practicing. I don't know if that means going
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five on five or whatever it is during practice.
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What he was doing in practice made them.
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They had to do that. I still don't think he goes
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tonight. I don't think he does.
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Either and when you have a day off still in between, things are
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stretched out a little bit more. Go on the caution, see if you
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can steal one. If not all right, go into game
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two. Then obviously the pressure
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ratchets it up if if that's the case.
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But still, I think that's probably the more prudent thing.
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I still at this point would be surprised but it's also Anthony
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Edwards and that dude is tough and he has played through
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injuries before so I will not be shocked if he makes his.
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What does he mean to the point spread if he plays?
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If he plays he's not 100% so you have to factor that in.
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I mean the dudes questionable. 'Cause it was 12 1/2 in the
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opener, it's down to 11 1/2 in the couple spots here today.
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That's what's at now. 9 1/2, maybe couple more points because
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you also don't know what he's going to look like.
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You can't just say, well he you know, he's a 5 point player and
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you're not going to do that with a guy coming off injury.
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So I don't recall watching the Spurs and the T Wolves play this
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year and I'm going to hopefully that you did.
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What did Gobert do against Wimby?
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We know how he plays against Joker.
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When those two, you know, have gone up against each other.
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Gobert has been unbelievable. Does he have that kind of same
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effect on Weimenjana that he has on on the Joker or I mean, he's
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so Weimenjana is such he's such a unique player, right?
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I'm not sure. I know that, you know, we never
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see anything like him, but he's kind of like you never seen
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anything like him. So the T Wolves won two games
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against. Him.
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They did. Yeah, I knew that part.
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They went two in one. Edwards, let's see, had a 55
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point performance. That'll be good.
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He was. Wimpaniana was not there for the
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November 30th game. That was the first game of the
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season between the two. So don't have the box scores
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that I can click on quickly. Well, maybe I can here.
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Yeah, I want to know what Gobert was able to do to Wimbignano.
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Was he able to limit him at all like he did to the Joker?
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You know, there's this website, Stepmuse that I go from time to
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time and something that I use to look up like teams against left
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handers. I use it a lot for baseball and
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things like that, but there are times you get absolutely lost in
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this thing. So let's see if I can pop
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anything up. Did they get the actual box
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score for the game? There we go Spurs all right, so
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this was the first game when there was no wembe all right, so
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that's not going to do us any good Game 210-4103 the T Wolves
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pull that one out in that one when banana had 29 points on 8
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of 18 shooting 3 and 9 from 3. How many minutes did go bear
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play? Go bear in that one.
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Over on the Timberwolves side, he played 29 minutes, 14
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rebounds. Now they are -14 when he was on
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the floor, just what, a four from the floor.
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But it's about his defense and you can't get a whole lot from a
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box score in that one. Then the final meeting between
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the two teams, Spurs won it by three, 126 to 123.
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When be in that one, he was held to just 39.
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Limited him to 3930. 99 and 3 for Wembe in that match up and
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let's see Go Bear, but Go Bear did not play in that game.
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Very fishy. The plot thickens a little.
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Bit. So maybe those props that I'm
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guessing you'll get to later on in the program that what, 10
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minutes or so before 2:00, maybe you'll have something in there
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from that. Well, he's going to play
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tonight. I doubt, like you say, I doubt
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that Ants going to play in the basketball game.
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By the way, if you like, if you're a Cubs fan or if you want
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to bet this Reds Cubs game tonight before the first pitch,
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it's been moved up 1/2 hour 6/10.
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His first pitch at Wrigley Field tonight.
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And the Reds are starting a kid that they just called up,
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apparently. Are they?
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Yeah, He was one of their top prospects in their organization.
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They got a ton of them. Yeah, well, when you, you know,
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when you're that bad Chase Penny.
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Oh yeah, I remember that name. Do you really?
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Yeah, I I just remember maybe as a draft pick or just seeing him
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on a list or something like that.
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But yeah, it's do I know anything more else than his
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name? No, but I remember seeing that
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name at some point, maybe a guy that they anticipated was gonna
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get called up. Speaking of the Reds Saturday,
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the seven consecutive walks. Did you see this?
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I was busy Saturday. I'll get to that in a.
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Second. Oh yes, you were.
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Yeah. So they get swept by the
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pirates, but the middle game they lose 17 seven.
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They they had louder who's been really good, another one of
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their young arms that they're really excited about.
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He's been outstanding. He was dreadful.
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He finishes with just four walks, but then a reliever comes
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in. He walks another three after
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that and of course all those runs get charged till louder.
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He finished with eight runs allowed in that one.
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I can't remember ever seeing 7 consecutive.
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No, I can't even. I see plenty of times that
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softball Tennessee, right? Yeah, yeah, right.
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You can see that from time to time.
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Not in Major League Baseball where you have that component.
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And another note from over the weekend that I caught in
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baseball ABS strikes again. There was another guy that just
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get middle. Middle really taps ahead.
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And got embarrassed, like everybody not in the ballpark
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and watching at home knows how bad he was.
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The gesture is the one that we saw.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That what he, like I mentioned,
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he was kind of crouching down and you could see it.
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This guy just look boom right down the middle.
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Tapped his head. Yeah, I still love the ABS
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though. I do too.
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I do too. It's improved the game
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tremendously and it's a great it kind of adds to the fan
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experience. OK, two more baseball stories.
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I want to get to. First of all, John Sterling,
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voice of the Yankees, The Yankees win.
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That's the good dude I'm talking about.
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He passed away today, I think 86 or 87.
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One of the most well known radio Brock A did the Yankees just a
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just a an icon when it came to calling games.
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And he had his own unique way, especially at the end of the
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game or when one of the Yankees hit a home run.
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You know, he would add add a little something to it.
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I think it came from his background in theatre.
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But he and Susie Waldman called the called the Yankees forever.
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He'd retired what, two years ago?
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And I remember it was such a a or I remember him retiring, but
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BI remember the blowback that followed it because after I
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don't know how many years he was the radio voice of the Yankees,
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but he was there decades. The Yankees bought him a big
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screen TV. You know they went to Costco and
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spent 300. Bucks, right?
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Yeah. I mean, come on.
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Yeah, exactly. There ain't got to be something.
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Don't bother. Even do something funny like a
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rocking chair. You know anything.
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A grandfather clock. Yeah, do something.
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Thanks for the effort. Here's a $300 TV.
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What the Yankees? And by the way, you pick it up
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at the loading dock, we're not even going to deliver it.
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You got to get it home somehow on your own on the train or
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whatever. Just just stupid.
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But but a great, great, great career.
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And I'm sure you'll be hearing tributes to him, you know,
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throughout the day. The other story when it comes to
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baseball and, and it's not like you and I have been avoiding.
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We've talked about the Cardinals.
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Yes. But maybe we need to talk about
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this Cardinals as as more of a, you know, prove it and you know,
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let's talk in May or let's get them Trent.
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They're not bad. They're not bad.
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There's six games above 500 for crying out loud, and we're in
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May. The young guns, the young guys
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coming up where he felt, we'll see, you know, just how they
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guys like Weatherholt and Burleson.
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Obviously what we've seen in the huge, huge Mason winds been up
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for a while, but it's starting to click maybe a.
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Little bit they took two or three from the Dodgers.
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What's their Dodgers? But it's 20 and 14 run
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differential. Now diving deeper into them,
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they're swinging the bats. 9th in baseball and runs scored.
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That's good. But 15th in hits, 15 on base
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percentage, 4th in home runs. That's the shots.
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On. The other side though, this is
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the pitching staff. 22nd runs allowed, 26 in hits allowed, 26
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in batting average against. 24th in ERA, 30th in strikeouts per
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night. Yeah, it doesn't say I'm
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sustainable because of those numbers.
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Those. That's the part of it that yeah,
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I like what they're doing there when we talked to Brian Walton
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and yeah, we got to get. I think Thursday was coming on.
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We got to see if there's any arms that can help for this
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year, if there's anything, what if they?
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Stick around, Trent. And here's the thing.
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They cut it down. It's a rebuild.
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Well, it is, but don't if if you're sticking around.
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I mean, we've seen teams that have been close before and trade
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guys off. You know what upsets the fan
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base. But maybe at the end of the day,
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it might be the right move to do.
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I don't know. It's a long way to go, I agree.
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I agree and it's a good division and the Cubs aren't going
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anywhere. They're playing exceptional
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baseball. This Nico Horner story, my good
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God, he is so good with the glove in his hand and actually
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he's pretty good all around ball player.
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But at second base, the play he made yesterday when he was going
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to cover second base when the base runner trying to steal and
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and then he realizes that the balls popped up, makes it over
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the shoulder catch twists, contorts his body and throws it
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to 1st for the double play. What a play by Nico Horne.
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You know, that love about maybe as much as anything, when he
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makes one of those plays, he's smiling coming off the field,
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right? He's he's grinning from ear to
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ear That, you know, that was that was pretty good.
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I'm a I'm I'm a fan. I'm a fan of Nico Horner, to say
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the very least. All right, let's go do the let's
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do the, the Kentucky Derby. By the way, I don't think I've
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ever seen Prairie Meadows as full as there was on Saturday.
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It was absolutely packed. That's awesome.
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It was it were really and truly was.
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Maybe the coolest part, at least for me, is I'm, you know,
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walking through out of the corner of my eye, I saw Winnipeg
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Jets logo. What?
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Yes, exactly you were wearing it.
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No, not me, another guy about my age, maybe somewhere in there.
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And of course I hollered at him. I said, wait a second.
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I thought I was the only one in the state and and him and I
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don't know if it was the sun with Oh, wait, I've met so many
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people. I wish I could remember their
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names. I remember the faces.
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I'm sure I'll see him again. But but anyways, the race itself
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female trainer wins the Sherry Devoe trains the winner.
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The horse comes from absolutely last circles the field, golden
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golden tempo right and and and wins the race.
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It was an it was fascinating finish, but the one hole it bit
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Renegade it did. The 1 hole cost renegade the
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Kentucky Derby. It did.
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There's no doubt about. It was that the best horse?
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Yes, See, here's the thing, right When you're when you're.
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He had nobody to his left and when the field comes crashing
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down, all those other horses that are getting sandwiched,
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they've got a horse to their left.
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So it kind of minimizes their path.
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But Renegade just got clobbered right out of it, lost all chance
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and but yeah, he was the best horse.
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But for me, the story, as good as the race was, there's a
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couple of things AI hit it, but we lost money.
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I wheeled three horses. Emerging Market was my main key
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and we had them in Trisley on an I.
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But we lost money. We hit the exacta and lost money
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and it paid 141, which was really light.
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But it was it was a great race and it was a great crowd and
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we'll see where it goes. I don't think I don't think the
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Derby winner is going to end up in the Preakness.
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So there will be no shot for the Triple Crown, but it was very
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well received, it was very well watched throughout the country
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and the Kentucky Derby first Saturday in May Pretty good
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story and a pretty good day overall.
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My wife had the winner. Did she?
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Well she saw that it was a female trainer and of course she
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had to put 5 bucks on that. So she got that one and now her
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twin Spires accounts got AI. Don't know 100 and some bucks in
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there and then. Late Dorman until the next.
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Absolutely. 1st Saturday in May. But we didn't make it out.
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We said maybe it was packed. Yes, we're it's on the it's on
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the summer schedule. After doing it again, the kids
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were into it once again. They want to go out there and,
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and I explained to Jack, because we haven't been out there with
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the kids since Ella was probably 3 or 4.
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I mean, we're talking 6-7 years ago, something like that.
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Jacks never been out there. He loves animals, he loves
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horses, he loves bedding. He's got his daddy's bind on
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that one. So when we were talking about a
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little bit more and then I explained, yeah, that's just 25
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minutes away, He got real fired up.
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So we're putting that on the schedules.
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I can find a weekend without baseball and softball.
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Maybe it'll rain, yeah, maybe rain will bring you out there,
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but you want to be outside to get close to the horses, not
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upstairs. But yeah, it looked like I
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haven't seen it. Like I say, I've not seen a
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crowd that big in a long, long time at Prey Meadows, if ever.
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So, so good to see. Did you watch any of the golf?
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Did did Young just run away from this?
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He did, yeah. He was up six shots going into
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Sunday and it was a dominating performance.
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I swear, every time. I don't bet him.
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Up 6 going into and he won by 6. Yeah, he just cruised.
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He got an early birdie and and nobody could make any kind of
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push against him, but he's playing really well and he's one
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of those guys at at minimum, I think you need to have on your
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on your sheet for the PGA a guy that you definitely have to.
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Next week, no. Two weeks. 2 weeks. 2 weeks.
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Mari Kamo was a guy that I had circled this week and I had the
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back injury earlier this year. He pulled out of a tournament on
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Thursday morning and came back, Played well with Masters.
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Kind of just grinded his way through.
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He took a big step back this weekend.
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Going to be an interesting field.
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And the cool thing about the PGA, I do love the stories.
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I just read one last night about one of those PGA guys that work
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at your golf shop, right? Work out your golf public,
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private, doesn't matter. Those PGA pros and them getting
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that opportunity and what it's like, and this guy said I never
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had any inkling ever in my life that I was going to be at this
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level and now he's going to be there competing with the best of
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the best. Yeah, that was a pretty cool
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story. So where did, where does Young
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rank is? Is he, is he moving up the food
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chain, if you will? Yeah, that's interesting
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because. Is he a top ten player at this
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point? Probably, yeah, on the fringes.
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I mean, you you start to cross some guys down that just overall
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have not been certainly in for Mori Comba, definitely one of
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those guys. You know, Shaf Lee's been so
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inconsistent. Usually a good horse when it
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gets to the majors, but that inconsistency that starts to
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show up. I definitely think top 10 at
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minimum and maybe even pushing towards that top five.
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That's kind of the level that he's been playing at.
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He hits it a long ways. That's going to go a long ways.
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And I'll be when we get Rudy on be interested to talk a little
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bit about obviously what it's going to look like and and that
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set up and of course that they haven't been in so long and
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certainly for an event like this.
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Yeah, absolutely. All right, Scott, document
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Hello, Joe, How are you? Hey, how's it going?
20:45
Great time of year, Thunder playoff basketball, Cardinals
20:47
are playing fantastic. And what you didn't bring up
20:49
about Cam Young Trent is that the dude literally called a
20:53
penalty stroke on himself and still pardon the hole.
20:55
If he really. He's playing, yes.
20:57
What happened to the ball move or something did?
20:59
He did. You was.
21:00
Caught back and it rolled. The ball rolled forward.
21:03
And so he called the official over.
21:04
And the officials like, well, did you touch?
21:06
He goes. I don't know.
21:07
Really. Yeah, called the stroke on him
21:10
and still pard the hole. Did could you see?
21:12
Going your way. No, I agree.
21:13
Joe, could you was there replay that showed the ball moving and
21:16
was he close to it? Do you think he do you think he
21:18
actually touched the ball? Naked eye couldn't tell.
21:22
OK, so, well, good for him. I mean, that's honesty, right?
21:27
Who? Who took a lot of criticism for
21:29
not Was it Patrick? Reed Yeah.
21:31
Yeah. And what's his apologies?
21:33
Didn't Craig Stadler put a towel on the ground or something in
21:36
the Masters and somebody got on the phone?
21:38
He put his knee down something like like he put his knee on a
21:41
towel. Yeah.
21:42
Was it Stadler? I don't know if it was Stadler.
21:45
I remember the story of the towels.
21:46
I just can't remember who it was.
21:48
But yes, that was a big no. It was it Was it a major?
21:52
I'm not sure. Probably.
21:53
I mean, in fact, if it's still clinging in the memory
21:55
somewhere, right, deep, deep in the recesses, that probably has
21:58
to be the case. But good pull on that one.
22:01
Look at you, flaunting your. Oh yeah, well, I mill it it all
22:04
hang out Tran. I counted.
22:05
I got 33 of them left so I'm empty in the chamber 3.
22:09
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Just one more thing Craig Statler did put his knee on a
22:32
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22:35
Open, so not a major. No.
22:38
By yet by any means. A caller just called in, said
22:40
the ground was wet, and he did it to save his pants.
22:43
Oh, absolutely. And apparently that helped his
22:45
stance. The walrus.
22:46
The walrus indeed. Cheating walrus trying to get an
22:49
edge. Here's Scott Dockerman, he joins
22:51
the program. Doctor it and Ken, good to have
22:53
you on on this Monday. Scott, of course writes for the
22:55
athletic doc. I I guess we have to start with
22:58
the cash windfall that the Big 10 just received this past
23:02
weekend. Does this exceed expectations,
23:06
Scott? I don't remember the money that
23:07
was being bannered about coming close to this.
23:11
Or maybe it was, but certainly not to this level.
23:15
Just your your overall take on the windfall that's coming the
23:18
Big 10's way. It was really similar to what I
23:22
expected or what I had heard kind of going into this season.
23:26
It's just when you see the numbers, then they kind of jump
23:28
out at you, you know, and, and the fact is, I mean, the Big 10
23:32
made, you know, 1.47 billion last, you know, the last fiscal
23:37
year and, and 1.37 of it went to, you know, it's coffers and
23:42
it went to its 18 members. And in different ways.
23:45
I think that some of the interesting facts to me are, you
23:48
know, more than just the actual, you know, dispersal number is
23:52
that this was the first time where it was uneven based on
23:55
College Football Playoff revenues.
23:58
And that's why Ohio State was at 91,000,000 and Penn State was at
24:02
88 million. And, and that's why Oregon had
24:05
more than Washington because, you know, they did, but, you
24:10
know, teams that not only went to the CFP, but advanced in the
24:14
CFP made more money that way. And which was a departure from
24:18
pretty much an even split across the board.
24:20
So, you know, but it is the, the whole number that that I think
24:25
people, you know, it's got a little bit of sticker shock.
24:27
And the fact that they made $540 million more year over year is
24:32
another part of that. Absolutely ridiculous here on
24:35
the local level when you're going through and digging
24:37
through the numbers, anything interesting jump out to you
24:39
about the Hawkeyes and the athletic department over there?
24:44
No, I mean, it's really, it's just the number.
24:47
I mean, they, you know, they, they were what, $78 million?
24:50
I mean, so that's all really, you know, they didn't, they
24:53
didn't have it circled and, and highlighted in, in black and
24:57
gold and say, hey, here's Iowa stuff.
24:59
It's just the number. So no, I mean they got basically
25:04
the same as everybody else except for the, the CFP teams
25:07
and, and, and the team and Oregon and and Washington and
25:12
then a few others were like 76,000,000.
25:15
So some that I think Maryland is, is still off by a couple
25:19
million because it's still paying back from when it wasn't
25:21
a vested member. So Doc, you touched on there
25:25
with Oregon and Washington as I recall and then I was glad we
25:27
had you on for this. The LA schools, they got a
25:32
bigger share coming in right than Oregon and Washington.
25:34
That's why they weren't on that. What they got 40 something
25:38
million of memory serves, UCLA and USC, where they kind of
25:42
brought into the conference at a level above Oregon and
25:45
Washington. Is that right?
25:47
That is correct. And it's the only time, you
25:51
know, since the recent expansion, starting with
25:53
Nebraska, where the LA schools were brought in as vested
25:56
members. And that is that's the only time
25:58
that's happened. Nebraska had to wait six years,
26:02
Rutgers and Maryland had to wait six years and and Oregon and
26:05
Washington do. But but the, the way that it was
26:08
negotiated and the, the at the time, knowing that UCLA and and
26:14
USC were going to bring in a sizable windfall, you know,
26:17
which is basically what they got is because of those two schools
26:21
more than it was even Oregon and Washington that came a little
26:24
later. They, they got more, but not a
26:26
whole lot more. So that's why they came in, you
26:29
know, at 100% right away. The others had to wait six years
26:33
and like, and what they were given were at least the first 3
26:39
Rutgers, Maryland and and Nebraska were giving given
26:43
shares to basically what they were leaving.
26:46
So what they were at at the ACC, what they were at in the Big 12
26:50
and and Rutgers, unfortunately for them were and what they were
26:54
at in the American Athletic Conference.
26:57
And now Maryland and Rutgers started borrowing up to the
27:02
point of being invested membership, but then they had to
27:05
repay it. And which is why I think, right,
27:09
Maryland was at right around like $125 million it had
27:12
borrowed from the Big 10 and it's still not completely vested
27:17
out. I think this is the last year
27:19
where they have to repay it. But, you know, Nebraska, to its
27:24
credit, is it's one of the most financially sound athletic
27:27
departments in the country and certainly is in the Big 10.
27:30
So it didn't have any issues with it.
27:32
But Washington and Oregon are pretty good shape, too.
27:36
Washington does have to borrow some money but but but yeah,
27:40
UCLA and USC, they they started in at 100%.
27:43
When we talk about these revenues, a huge part of it is
27:46
obviously what comes in from television and for years and
27:49
years and years, even back to the formation of the Big 10
27:52
network. Well, this bubbles going to
27:53
burst. And now we see people that have
27:55
moved away. People don't have cable, people
27:57
don't have satellite, People stream in different ways, yet
28:00
revenues are still there. Do you see it there's some kind
28:03
of tipping point that we're going to hit here in the not too
28:06
distant future? Or is the revenue just going to
28:08
keep building, building and building going forward, Doc, as
28:10
we look at the way that these conferences get their money?
28:14
It depends on the conference and I'd say the Big 10 and the SEC
28:18
are in really good shape because people still watch them their
28:21
games at a really high rate. I mean, the numbers are
28:24
fantastic for both leagues, you know, specifically the SEC in
28:29
the regular season and the big 10 and in certain games and, and
28:33
by and large pretty good. So and plus they're tight end
28:35
with Fox and in a heavy way. So this is, you know, I don't
28:39
see it bursting for those two leagues.
28:41
It's really about what kind of value and ratings you can bring,
28:45
because I think in the Big 12, you know, I have to look at I, I
28:49
don't have the numbers in front of me as far as TV goes, but I
28:52
think there were only three games that were Big 12 games
28:54
that registered 4 million viewers last year and just on
28:59
their own. And, and then one of them was
29:01
the the kickoff, Iowa State, Kansas State.
29:03
And and so, you know, those are the leagues that why they're,
29:08
they're not getting as much money.
29:09
I mean, it's just that's the way it goes.
29:10
So but the big But as long as people are still watching, and
29:13
still watching in the millions of numbers that they are, then
29:17
they'll still continue to enrich themselves.
29:19
I want to get to 5 to play 5 in just a second doc but something
29:22
dawned on me knowing that you know, you do cover TV numbers
29:26
etc. Media at the athletic and it's
29:30
more this pertains to basketball.
29:31
I'm talking about the Duke Michigan series when that seemed
29:34
to be ticketed our our game rather not series hope it's a
29:37
series ticketed for Amazon. ESPN had signed off the ACC
29:43
network had signed off ESP. Well, they're related obviously.
29:46
But then the big 10 at the last minute came and said no, no, no,
29:49
no, no. That game is ours.
29:51
Do they want a piece? Amazon obviously had to be
29:54
writing a big, big check to get that game of that magnitude.
29:58
Are you familiar with that at all, Doc?
30:00
The Big 10 kind of getting involved at last minute.
30:04
Yeah, and, and it's, it's really surprising that it got announced
30:09
because the the last game between Michigan and Duke was an
30:15
ESPN game, which meant that it's, and the, the tradition for
30:19
the any kind of series like this, even if it's a neutral
30:22
site, is that it goes back and forth with the the host
30:26
networks. And so, you know, whether it's a
30:30
home game for Duke that officially that ended up on ESPN
30:33
or it might be a home game from Michigan that it would end up on
30:37
Fox or or one of its other networks.
30:39
That's kind of the the way it goes usually.
30:42
That's why every other year you might see the side Hawk men's
30:45
basketball game on BTN, you know, because of those same
30:49
details. Well, for this to happen is
30:54
really surprising because usually that's this is all
30:59
ironed out before it gets notified.
31:00
So the Big 10 does have a legitimate gripe in this.
31:04
And, and I don't know that Duke or Amazon or the ACC is going to
31:09
want to find a way to, you know, try to make this work, but
31:12
they're going to have to make this right somehow.
31:15
It or Big 10 will just say no to to Michigan and Michigan won't
31:18
be able to do anything about it because, you know, the Big 10
31:21
became the first conference to pool its third party rights in
31:25
1988. And it was really emphasized in
31:30
2007 when they formed the Big 10 Network.
31:32
And you know, there, there have been episodes even Iowa has
31:36
tried to get some of those games, basketball games in the
31:39
beginning when used to be over the air on what probably KDSM in
31:42
Des Moines or KGAN in Cedar Rapids.
31:46
They in the past, Iowa looked at some of those early season games
31:50
and trying to sell them off And Big 10 slapped a tan and said
31:53
you are not allowed to do that. And that's the same way here
31:56
because it is part of their media rights deal and that's why
31:59
the Big 10 disburses $1.37 billion because of those free
32:04
rights. Zach, I had a call here as we
32:07
were speaking from Mike in West Des Moines.
32:09
He was wondering about that loan that was handed out right after
32:12
COVID fraud to the athletic department from the university.
32:15
And it's something that's lingering.
32:17
I see a lot of comments, feels like from Story County about
32:19
that loan and wondering when that money is going to be
32:22
repaid. But you see these kind of
32:23
revenues that continue to increase.
32:25
I know the cost of doing business is certainly
32:27
increasing, but any insight? Any idea of when that $50
32:31
million loan is going to be paid back from the athletic
32:33
department back to the university?
32:36
It has been, I mean, it's been repaid every year.
32:39
It's a 15 year loan. I reported this in the beginning
32:42
and they pay it back 3, three and a half, $1,000,000 per year.
32:46
It's part of its, it's part of its expenditure sheet.
32:50
It shows it, you know, so it's not, it's not like it's never
32:53
been repaid and it's going to get forgiven or anything like
32:56
that. It's just, you know, it's
32:57
something that, you know, ever since the COVID year.
33:00
So they're what year five, I think, or something like that at
33:03
this. So it's not, it's not anything
33:06
they're hiding from. I mean, you know, I guess I
33:08
could do a better job of putting it all out there, but, but it's
33:11
not a big deal really. I, I guess I know Iowa State is
33:15
thinking more revenue or you know, income from the university
33:19
itself and, and I know, but that's kind of a separate deal.
33:22
I was not getting anything else beyond what it received during
33:25
the COVID year. Doc 5 for five seemingly has
33:29
some momentum behind it eligibility wise when it comes
33:32
to college athletes. Maybe 1 transfer and then after
33:36
that you you reverts back to Yep, you can transfer but you
33:40
got to sit out a year. Your your thoughts on what's
33:43
being presented and does this have any traction?
33:46
I do think it will happen. I think there's some real
33:49
momentum to this. I, I wonder if I mean the
33:53
leadership or the NCAA Division one council meets later this
33:59
later next part. I guess it is May now in this
34:01
month, a couple weeks and I would expect it to have most of
34:06
it finalized. But I can also see them stalling
34:10
it long enough to where it's not implemented until maybe the fall
34:14
or announced in the fall. Because as you as we know,
34:17
what's going to happen is if they announce it, it's going to
34:20
happen if there's going to be lawsuit city.
34:22
And and if you do that and you know, because now with if
34:27
you're, you know, take any basketball player out there,
34:31
let's say Tavion Banks from Iowa, probably not going to be
34:34
in the NBA this year, you know, but you, but you get an
34:37
opportunity to come back, you're going to make some decent money,
34:40
buy more money than you would either across in Europe,
34:42
certainly in the G League. So that's my anticipation is
34:46
that they probably push it off as long as they can.
34:51
And so they're, they're not going to have to deal with any
34:53
kind of loss. And I would think Lipsy too,
34:56
right? Like not not just him, but his
34:57
situation, the COVID guys got an extra year, he got 4 to play 4,
35:02
right? And and now going forward,
35:04
you'll get 5 to play 5. So maybe, maybe the guys that
35:08
got 4 to play for, might they have an argument?
35:11
You're absolutely right. And this is something that, you
35:15
know, I mean, it would, it would cause such a ripple effect,
35:18
really hard to calculate, you know, because not just
35:21
basketball, but football, I mean, if there's anybody
35:23
lingering around going, hey, you know, I can do this.
35:25
Because if you want to talk about one group of athletes that
35:29
got totally screwed by the by everything, it was that class of
35:34
21, because at the frontline they lost a lot of them didn't
35:40
get scholarship opportunities because everybody started to
35:42
come back. And so I, I know of, you know,
35:46
one person I've talked to a lot about this is Jackson Rexroth
35:49
from Iowa, who played and was a starter by the end.
35:52
And I talked to his dad about this and you know, he had
35:54
opportunities, he thought from the Mac to get a scholarship.
35:57
Well, as soon as the seasons were cancelled or the the all
36:02
the players started coming back. They're like there's no more
36:04
opportunities. So he had to walk on at Iowa.
36:06
Well, then every year everybody started using an extra year.
36:10
And so in his case and Carson Shires case and you know, Jayden
36:14
Harrell's case too, then you had Jay Higgins come back and he had
36:19
Nick Jackson come back for an extra year.
36:20
And so you just if you only get one year and now all the way
36:24
down to the end, you know, it's like everybody outside of this
36:27
is going to get an extra year. It's like this one ghost class
36:31
really got ruined by it all. So that that needs to be taken
36:35
into account. But it should have been taken
36:36
into account, you know, a while ago because.
36:39
I think this again, this was a year where everybody just kind
36:42
of got stuck. They didn't get a play as they
36:45
didn't get the extra year and then then all those other people
36:48
took up their valuable playing time while they were in school.
36:51
Amazing doc, Good stuff. What are you reporting on?
36:54
What are you writing this week at The Athletic?
36:57
I've got two, our Big 10 surveys come out tomorrow and Wednesday.
37:03
So the results which were very, very, very fascinating.
37:06
Tomorrow's details mostly about the league and people's thoughts
37:10
on the league and, and all the matters of, you know, Tony
37:13
Petiti and everything. And then and then on Wednesday
37:16
is everybody's stuff on their own schools.
37:20
So all 18 schools are represented by multiple comments
37:24
and whether or not people think that they have the opportunity
37:27
to go to the CFP championship game.
37:30
So I would encourage people to read these.
37:32
I think, you know, if you're a Big 10 fan or even a college
37:34
football fan, I think you'll want to see what people have to
37:36
say about the administration, how they match up with the SEC
37:40
and then what they think of their own team.
37:42
Good stuff. Fine.
37:43
If your schedule allows, we'll we'll rehash that with you when
37:45
you join us next Monday. Thank you, Doc, as always for
37:48
doing this. Appreciate.
37:49
Look forward to that piece. That two parter coming up this
37:51
week at the Athletic, Scott Doctorman.
37:53
Thank you, Scott. Thanks.
37:55
Have a good one you. Do the same Scott Dockerman as
37:58
we check in on a number of topics with Doc.
38:00
All right, Bill Seals coming up next, cyclonereport.com.
38:03
Miller and Condon, Iowa Sports Radio Network Hi, Miller and
38:11
Condon, welcome back. Iowa Sports Radio Network,
38:14
Trenton, Ken with you until 2:00.
38:17
Bill Seals cyclonereport.com He joins us talk a little Iowa
38:22
State saw Bill at the Prairie Meadows on on Saturday.
38:25
Trent apparently took a few minutes away from just tearing
38:28
down the football program. You read Twitter and you
38:32
shouldn't. No, I shouldn't.
38:33
It's I should know better. Hello, Bill Seals.
38:36
I can't believe you're you're becoming the fall guy for of all
38:39
things are running back, a thin skin running back and Jane
38:42
Jackson apparently couldn't stand the heat side to get out
38:44
of the kitchen. But you're the bad guy for
38:46
reporting what the coach said just never ceases to amaze me.
38:49
Bill, how are you? Well, I, I've been better, you
38:53
know, I've got broad shoulders. But yeah, you know, it's, it's,
38:58
it's been something. But yeah, I mean, it, it, you
39:02
know, you, you, you just boil it down to, I think in my mind,
39:05
it's like, you know, where do they go now in terms of
39:09
scholarship, you know, running backs?
39:11
How's that situation look, you know, coming out of this?
39:14
It's too bad that he, you know, he did decide to move on.
39:17
He was kind of one that the coaches talked a little bit
39:20
about throughout the spring. You know, I think we got the
39:23
first inkling, you know, that he had some work to do when we
39:27
talked to John Johnson earlier in the spring, the running backs
39:30
coach. And, you know, he was a guy that
39:31
recruited Jackson out of out of that Houston area, too.
39:37
And when he was a position coach, actually it was Sam
39:40
Houston State where he was at that point.
39:43
So, you know, I figured those two had, you know, pretty close
39:47
connection and and stuff. And we get some good stuff out
39:49
of Johnson on progress and didn't really get that.
39:53
And that was kind of the first inkling maybe that he had some
39:56
work to do on and off the field. You know, as that played out
39:59
over the spring. We got the the comments from
40:02
from Rogers and from Roll after that spring showcase that there
40:07
was still some work to do. So he's decided to move on.
40:11
And, you know, Iowa State's got, you know, even a little bit more
40:15
limited depth at that running back position now.
40:18
You know, Aiden Flora, I think they're expecting pretty big
40:21
things out of him. He had a black jersey on and on
40:25
no no contact jersey on throughout that scrimmage.
40:29
So I think he's probably their number one guy and they just
40:32
didn't want to get him nicked up at all throughout that day.
40:36
You know, they got him out of there healthy, ready to go into
40:39
the summer. Cam Pettaway is that kind of
40:42
that scat back, that change of pace guy, a good receiver.
40:46
We'll we'll see what the injury outlook is.
40:49
I think with Saladina Law, we'll talk to Rogers probably well, I
40:54
think in a couple weeks here once they start that tailgate
40:56
tour, kind of get an idea how his rehabs going into the
41:00
summer. You know, River Peppers, that's
41:03
another one. We, we, we like talking about
41:05
him on the show. We'll get an idea, you know,
41:07
where his recovery is. And they've got two guys.
41:10
I think it was well advised. They did sign two guys in the
41:13
2026 class. And you know, Caleb Francois,
41:16
Minnesota Player of the year, Iowa State did a pretty good job
41:19
with the last one they got that was the player of the year out
41:22
of Minnesota, Carson Hansen. So I think they expect big
41:26
things with him and, you know, we'll see how this thing plays
41:29
out. Bill, I know you take a peek at
41:31
the portal there and correct me if I'm wrong.
41:34
I think I heard this over the weekend that it is closed for D1
41:39
players, FBS players. But D2 guys can enter the
41:42
portal. D3 guys can enter the portal.
41:44
I mean, there's got to be a minimum, some sniffing around
41:46
there, not just a running back, but just in general for all the
41:49
coaches say, hey, maybe this guy can help out a roster.
41:52
You know the rule behind that. And if I was stayed as still, at
41:55
least shopping around inside the portal.
41:57
Well, and I think I, I believe that if you're a grad transfer,
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you can also go at any time. It's not the portal's not if
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you're a grad transfer, you have your your BA, your undergrad,
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you're you're good to go anytime you want to jump in.
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So I think that's another Ave. too.
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You know, we've heard more about this Markellis Bass, the Butler
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Community College running back from Kansas.
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Last I had checked in with him, he had said the coaches were
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supposed to be in to see him, I believe this week at some point.
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So, you know, maybe that maybe the the Jackson News expedites
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things there. So, but she, yeah, again, you
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know, the the grad transfer route, I don't know of anybody
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in particular that would be a grad transfer, but that's
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another Ave. that they could go to as as well.
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Switching to basketball? Donovan Davis, Is he going to be
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a Cyclone? You know, I, I put in a, a
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prediction for him to land at Iowa State, but you know, I
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think we've talked about him in the past, guys and I, I've, I've
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thought he was going to be a cyclone for, for over a year
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now. I think I've, I've just had that
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feeling, you know, it's played out.
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I thought, you know, maybe with Jr.
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Blunt moving on, they might have a little more work to do to kind
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of close things out, but I think they're still in great shape.
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Alan Hanson. Not surprisingly, I talked to
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Donovan last week after the Iowa State visit.
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He's one, not surprisingly, he was in in contact with when he
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was a high schooler and well, and when Hanson was at Bradley,
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he was recruiting Davis a little bit.
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So there is a a connection there.
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He's a Wisconsin guy and even Buckley, Tim Buckley, he's he's
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someone that's been involved in his recruitment too.
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Iowa State Senate contingent of four coaches up to see Donovan
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at high school, at his high school recently.
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So he is, you know, a big time focus of their efforts and I, I
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think they get the job done on Wednesday.
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Over to recruiting, over to football and a local guy always
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loved the local ties with Joe Vineyard, who called a few of
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his games over at Waukee Northwest.
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A tight end prospect coming in with the new coaching staff
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there. It was so crazy because all
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these guys that came in for this year's team felt like they're
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all over the country resting, Establishing those local
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connections. Certainly important for any
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coaching staff anywhere, and it looks like Rodgers has done a
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good job of that getting Vineyard.
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Yeah, Well, how about how about the city of Waukee being tight?
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What, what do you want to call it?
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Titan U in college, you know, they sent Evan Jacobson to A&M.
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So how about that? Now the Waukee Northwest kid is
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going to get a chance at the the Power 4 level.
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And I think I I I like what I see in him.
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He, you know, I think he's done shown that he's going to be a a
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great blocker, you know, and Tyler rolls offense, you got to
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be you got to be a guy in there that's going to stick your nose
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in and, and, and, and block somebody.
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But also his receiving numbers very, very good as well.
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He copped up 40 passes, 464 yards, 3 touchdowns.
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Granted, you know, Joaquin Northwest, he has a gift of
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having a good quarterback to throw in the ball too.
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So, but I think he's demonstrated he he he can give
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the cyclones a lot in addition to not just being, you know,
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like a tight end that's a plotter that is just out there
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to block. I think he can catch the ball
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too. Bill, we're out of time, my
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friend. Thanks for doing this.
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We will track you down next week on Monday.
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Thank you, Bill Seals, appreciate you coming.
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