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The Matriarch of Malice: The Case of Marcia Eubank · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: It is December 9th, 2017. You are sitting in a quiet,
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  Speaker 1: you know, warmly lit church and you're listening to this
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  Speaker 1: really peaceful Christmas orchestra.
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  Speaker 2: Right. It's that classic holiday setting.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. The music is swelling. People around you are smiling,
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  Speaker 1: taking in the holiday spirit. And then suddenly your phone
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  Speaker 1: starts vibrating uncontrollably in your pocket.
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  Speaker 2: Just completely breaking the mood. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's not just one notification, right? It's a total barrage.
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  Speaker 1: So you glance down at the screen, and you pull
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  Speaker 1: up a Facebook Messenger group chat that you share with
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  Speaker 1: your four brothers.
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  Speaker 2: And you're probably thinking, oh, what's going on with the family? Right.
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  Speaker 1: But the preview of the most recent message reads simply,
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  Speaker 1: Dad's dead.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Your heart just stops. You frantically scroll up, like,
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  Speaker 1: just two messages to see what happened. And you read
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  Speaker 1: the words, Mom killed him.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the contrast there is just... It's what makes
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  Speaker 2: it so difficult to process.
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  Speaker 1: It really is.
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  Speaker 2: You have this beautiful, serene holiday moment that is just
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  Speaker 2: utterly shattered by, well, the most horrific, incomprehensible reality a
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  Speaker 2: family could ever face. And it's delivered through this sterile
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  Speaker 2: medium of a text message.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. That text message is really the inciting incident for
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  Speaker 1: today's deep dive. Because we are unpacking the case of
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  Speaker 1: Marcia Eubank.
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  Speaker 2: A woman who has literally been dubbed the matriarch of malice.
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  Speaker 1: Right. The matriarch of malice.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: And our mission today isn't just to, you know, walk
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  Speaker 1: through the grisly details of a crime scene, though. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: those are definitely present in the sources.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. They are unavoidable here.
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  Speaker 1: But we are going to explore the deep, suffocating psychological
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  Speaker 1: manipulation at play here, the methodical breakdown of an entire
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  Speaker 1: family unit.
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  Speaker 2: And how a seemingly normal, quiet, suburban Ohio house hid
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  Speaker 2: an unspeakable secret for six entire months.
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  Speaker 1: Six months. Which is just wild to think about.
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  Speaker 2: It is.
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  Speaker 1: This case really forces us to look at the mundane, right?
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  Speaker 1: The quiet house on the corner, the neighbor who waves
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  Speaker 1: from the driveway, the couple who just goes to work
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  Speaker 1: every day.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the people you'd never suspect.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It makes you realize that a cold-blooded, methodical reality can
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  Speaker 2: be happening right behind those closed doors. It just completely
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  Speaker 2: shatters the assumption that evil always broadcasts itself with obvious
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  Speaker 2: warning signs.
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  Speaker 1: Which is exactly why this matters to you. listening right
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  Speaker 1: now because, I mean, we have all walked past those
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  Speaker 1: quiet houses in our own neighborhoods.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
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  Speaker 1: We've all assumed that a neatly cut lawn and a
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  Speaker 1: gravel driveway mean that everything is normal. So today we're
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  Speaker 1: going to see exactly how easily true evil can blend
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  Speaker 1: right into the background.
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  Speaker 2: And to really understand the mechanics of this, we need
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  Speaker 2: to look at the people living inside this particular house.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Starting with the victim, Howard Eubank. He was 54
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  Speaker 1: years old. And the sources paint a picture of an
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  Speaker 1: incredible Incredibly multifaceted individual.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Howard was definitely a man of many traits. He
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  Speaker 2: was a truck driver, but before that, he'd actually been
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  Speaker 2: a successful boxer in New York City.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, a boxer in New York?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. He was a skilled automotive mechanic, too. His kids
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  Speaker 2: actually described him as an absolute genius when it came
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  Speaker 2: to fixing cars. He did construction work. He was highly capable,
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  Speaker 2: physically strong, and clearly intelligent.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, hold on. I want to stop right there. You
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  Speaker 1: have a guy who is a former boxer in New York,
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  Speaker 1: a construction worker, a mechanic. I mean, this is a
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  Speaker 1: guy who clearly knows how to handle himself physically.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Yet, as we'll see, he ends up being completely subjugated
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  Speaker 1: in his own home. How does someone with that much
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  Speaker 1: physical capability and worldly experience become so passive?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the answer lies in a profound vulnerability, which was
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  Speaker 2: his severe alcoholism.
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  Speaker 1: Ah, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Addiction casts a very long, very dark shadow over a
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  Speaker 2: person's ability to be present and assertive. If you look
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  Speaker 2: at it from a neurobiological standpoint, chronic alcohol abuse alters
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  Speaker 2: the brain's frontal lobe.
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  Speaker 1: And the frontal lobe does what exactly?
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  Speaker 2: It's responsible for executive function, decision making, assertiveness. Now, when
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  Speaker 2: he was sober or even in certain stages of intoxication,
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  Speaker 2: his children recalled feeling loved. They felt like they had
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  Speaker 2: a real father.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm guessing those moments were pretty rare.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. They were fleeting. He couldn't keep a job consistently.
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  Speaker 2: And his addiction created this massive vacuum of leadership in
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  Speaker 2: his own life.
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  Speaker 1: And that vacuum was aggressively filled by his wife, Marsha Eubank.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, it was.
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  Speaker 1: She was born in 1968, lived her entire life in Ohio,
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  Speaker 1: and was Howard's wife of 24 years.
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  Speaker 2: And to really understand her pathology... We have to look
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  Speaker 2: at the blended family dynamic they created. There were five
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  Speaker 2: boys living under one roof.
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  Speaker 1: That is a full house.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Howard had three older sons from a previous relationship, Josh, Brandon,
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  Speaker 2: and Jonathan. And then Marsha and Howard had two boys together,
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  Speaker 2: Howard Raymond and Zachary.
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  Speaker 1: But the way those five boys ended up together is
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  Speaker 1: a tragedy in itself, right?
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  Speaker 2: It really is. The three older boys had been living
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  Speaker 2: with their biological mother, but due to severe neglect, They
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  Speaker 2: were actually removed from her care by the state. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: How old were they?
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  Speaker 2: Well, when Jonathan, the youngest of the three, was just
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  Speaker 2: 11 years old, the state placed them into the custody
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  Speaker 2: of Howard and Marsha.
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  Speaker 1: Which suddenly puts Marsha in a position of complete authority
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  Speaker 1: over three children she actively, well, she just did not
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  Speaker 1: want them.
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  Speaker 2: No, she didn't. And the disparity in how she treated
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  Speaker 2: the children is just staggering. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. The records and the children's own accounts show that
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  Speaker 1: she completely doted on her two biological sons, but she
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  Speaker 1: treated her three step-sons with a level of cruelty that
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  Speaker 1: is honestly difficult to process.
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  Speaker 2: Jonathan actually recounted living on what Marsha called restriction.
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  Speaker 1: Restriction, which meant what exactly?
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  Speaker 2: It meant sitting in an unfinished basement every single day,
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  Speaker 2: all day long.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, like literally living in the basement?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, exactly. They weren't allowed upstairs except to eat their
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  Speaker 2: meals or to do these meticulous, grueling chores like scrubbing
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  Speaker 2: baseboards and wiping dust out of microscopic cracks.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, we need to look at the psychology behind this
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  Speaker 1: specific type of abuse because this wasn't just unfair discipline.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this was a systematic erasure of their presence
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  Speaker 1: in the home.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what it was. In the psychological study of
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  Speaker 2: family dynamics, this is known as triangulation and scapegoating within
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  Speaker 2: a divided household.
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  Speaker 1: A divided household.
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  Speaker 2: Right. By treating the older boys as essentially prisoners and laborers,
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  Speaker 2: Marcy wasn't just punishing them. She was elevating her own
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  Speaker 2: biological sons and forcing everyone in the house to accept
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  Speaker 2: her reality.
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  Speaker 1: So it's all about control.
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  Speaker 2: 100%. If she didn't want them in the basement, Jonathan
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  Speaker 2: recalls being forced to stand in a corner for hours
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  Speaker 2: upon hours.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to wrap my head around the mechanics
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  Speaker 1: of this. It's one thing to favor your own kids,
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  Speaker 1: but Forcing a child to stand in a corner for
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  Speaker 1: hours or live in a basement sounds like a prisoner
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  Speaker 1: of war camp.
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  Speaker 2: It's horrific.
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  Speaker 1: Where was Howard? I mean, if he is physically in
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  Speaker 1: the house, even if he's drinking, how does he not
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  Speaker 1: see his own flesh and blood being treated like inmates?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it goes back to the cognitive effects of his
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  Speaker 2: addiction and the manipulative environment Marcia curated. Howard was a
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  Speaker 2: deeply flawed protector.
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  Speaker 1: Because of the drinking.
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  Speaker 2: Right. His severe alcoholism made him absent even when he
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  Speaker 2: was physically present in the room. And in that vacuum,
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  Speaker 2: Marcia established absolute control. The marriage itself was loveless and
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  Speaker 2: highly volatile.
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  Speaker 1: I read that Marcia chose to sleep on the couch
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  Speaker 1: every night.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she did. Howard slept in the bedroom. They were
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  Speaker 2: completely estranged under the same roof, arguing daily. And the
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  Speaker 2: sources note that 90% of those screaming bouts were centered
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  Speaker 2: around Howard's three older boys.
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  Speaker 1: So she is constantly framing the boys as the source
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  Speaker 1: of all the household's problems.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. She's creating a narrative where the only way there
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  Speaker 2: is peace in the house is if the boys are
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  Speaker 2: subjugated or removed.
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  Speaker 1: That is just the core of the manipulation right there.
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  Speaker 2: And eventually it broke them. As soon as the older
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  Speaker 2: boys were old enough, they just ran away.
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  Speaker 1: I don't blame them.
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  Speaker 2: The sheriff's department would bring them back. And they would
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  Speaker 2: run again. Until finally, relatives intervened and took custody. So
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  Speaker 2: Marcia successfully purged the house of the children she didn't want.
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  Speaker 1: Cementing her total dominance over the environment. She established a
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  Speaker 1: terrifying baseline, which was that she must be in control.
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  Speaker 1: And anyone who threatens that control is eliminated from the ecosystem.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Which brings us to the tipping point of this
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  Speaker 2: whole case.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Because for years, this awful status quo was maintained
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  Speaker 1: by Howard's addiction. As long as he was drinking, he
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  Speaker 1: was compliant or at least, you know, manageable.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. But then.
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  Speaker 1: a massive shift occurs. Howard joins Alcoholics Anonymous and starts
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  Speaker 1: getting sober.
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  Speaker 2: And sobriety doesn't just stop the drinking. It fundamentally changes
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  Speaker 2: a person's behavior and their brain chemistry.
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  Speaker 1: Because the frontal lobe is healing.
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  Speaker 2: Right. As Howard's frontal lobe begins to heal, he wakes
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  Speaker 2: up to his life. He starts rebuilding genuine father-son bonds
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  Speaker 2: with those estranged older children.
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  Speaker 1: Which is amazing. Jonathan, who was 26 years old at
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  Speaker 1: this time, recalls having deep, meaningful conversations with his 54-year-old
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  Speaker 1: father for the first time in over a decade.
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  Speaker 2: It was a real turning point for them. Howard even
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  Speaker 2: promised to attend Jonathan's upcoming wedding, which was something he
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  Speaker 2: had never done for any of the older boys' milestones before.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, I want to look at this from Marcia's perspective
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  Speaker 1: for a second. Because most spouses would be thrilled that
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  Speaker 1: their partner is getting sober and reconnecting with family.
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  Speaker 2: You would think so, yes.
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  Speaker 1: But for someone whose entire power structure relies on their
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  Speaker 1: partner being weak... This isn't a victory, is it? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: this is a massive threat.
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  Speaker 2: It is an absolute existential threat to her control. When
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  Speaker 2: Marcia's defense team later tried to explain the murder, they
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  Speaker 2: claimed that she simply snapped on the morning of June 13th, 2017. Right.
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  Speaker 1: The classic, I just snapped defense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. They argued she was a victim of battered woman syndrome,
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  Speaker 2: pushed to the brink by years of alleged physical abuse,
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  Speaker 2: and that she woke up contemplating either suicide or killing Howard.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I have to call foul on that defense based
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  Speaker 1: on the digital forensics provided in the sources.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: You hear, I just snapped, and you picture a crime
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  Speaker 1: of passion, right? Like a split-second loss of control during
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  Speaker 1: an argument. But the digital forensics tell a completely different story.
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  Speaker 2: A very methodical story.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Two full months prior to the murder, Marcia was
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  Speaker 1: on her computer researching different ways to kill a human being.
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  Speaker 1: She was looking up different firearms, comparing calibers to see
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  Speaker 1: what was most lethal.
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  Speaker 2: And the research went far beyond just the act of killing.
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  Speaker 2: She was investigating how to use lye and other caustic
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  Speaker 2: chemicals to dissolve a human body without getting caught.
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  Speaker 1: Which is just terrifying.
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  Speaker 2: It is. And it requires a level of cognitive dissonance
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  Speaker 2: that completely invalidates the snapped defense. Planning a murder involves
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  Speaker 2: the prefrontal cortex. It requires executive function, sequential planning, and
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  Speaker 2: logical deduction.
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  Speaker 1: Whereas snapping is totally different.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Snapping implies an amygdala hijack. It's an emotional, reactive
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  Speaker 2: response where logical planning just goes out the window.
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  Speaker 1: Let's dig into that research for a second. Because buying
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  Speaker 1: lye to dissolve a body isn't just a random Google
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  Speaker 1: search you make when you're mad at your husband.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's very specific.
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  Speaker 1: So how does lye actually work in that context? I
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  Speaker 1: think a lot of people have heard of it from
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  Speaker 1: mob movies, but what is she actually researching here?
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  Speaker 2: Well, lye, or sodium hydroxide, is a highly caustic alkaline chemical.
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  Speaker 2: In forensic chemistry, alkaline hydrolysis is a process that breaks
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  Speaker 2: down organic matter.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so it literally dissolves tissue.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. If you submerge a body in a lye solution
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  Speaker 2: and apply heat, it essentially breaks down the peptide bonds
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  Speaker 2: and proteins. It turns tissue into a liquid slurry over
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  Speaker 2: a period of hours or days, leaving only brittle bones behind. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: The fact that Marsha was researching alkaline hydrolysis two months
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  Speaker 2: before the murder... shows she was actively trying to solve
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  Speaker 2: the logistical problem of corpse disposal.
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  Speaker 1: She is essentially treating murder like a long-term research project.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And the timeline keeps getting more damning because one month
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  Speaker 1: prior to the murder, the forensics show Marcia applied for
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  Speaker 1: and was granted a global life insurance policy on Howard.
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  Speaker 2: Which introduces financial gain into the equation.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And then four days prior, she walks into a
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  Speaker 1: gun shop in North Canton, Ohio and purchases a. 22
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  Speaker 1: caliber pistol.
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  Speaker 2: And brings it home. and tells Howard it's for, quote,
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  Speaker 2: home security.
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  Speaker 1: Let's pause on the battered woman syndrome defense again, because
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  Speaker 1: if she had been abused for years, wouldn't there be
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  Speaker 1: some record of it?
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  Speaker 2: You'd certainly expect to find one, but investigators reviewed years
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  Speaker 2: of sheriff's office records. There were zero 911 calls from
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  Speaker 2: that address.
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  Speaker 1: Zero.
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  Speaker 2: No history of Howard being abusive. In fact, Interviews with
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  Speaker 2: family and friends revealed that Marcia was the known physical
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  Speaker 2: aggressor in the relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: She had previously attacked him, hitting him in the head
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  Speaker 2: with a frying pan and clawing at him, while Howard
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  Speaker 2: was the one trying to just keep the peace.
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  Speaker 1: So the motive becomes starkly clear. Howard getting sober and
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  Speaker 1: rekindling relationships with the sons she despised was a direct threat.
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  Speaker 2: Combine that with a life insurance policy, and she just
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  Speaker 2: wanted to eliminate a threat to her dominance. punish him
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  Speaker 2: for reconnecting with his sons, and cash out.
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  Speaker 1: It's just brutal. So with the plan meticulously researched, the
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  Speaker 1: internet history logged, the life insurance approved, and the weapons
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  Speaker 1: sitting in the house, we arrive at the morning of
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  Speaker 1: June 13th, 2017.
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  Speaker 2: The day of the murder. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the timeline of this morning perfectly illustrates a level
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  Speaker 1: of chilling detachment that is just hard to process. At
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  Speaker 1: 4 a.m., Marcia wakes up.
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  Speaker 2: And she doesn't pace the floor.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't hesitate. No.
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  Speaker 1: She begins her normal everyday routine. She does some house cleaning,
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  Speaker 1: makes the morning coffee, and prepares breakfast.
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  Speaker 2: Then at 5.45 a.m., Howard wakes up, gets his coffee,
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  Speaker 2: walks into their shared home office, and sits down at
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  Speaker 2: the computer.
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  Speaker 1: Just a totally normal morning for him.
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  Speaker 2: Completely. And then at 6.28 a.m., Marcia enters the office.
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  Speaker 2: approaches Howard from behind, raises the. 22 caliber pistol, and
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  Speaker 2: shoots him in the back of the head.
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  Speaker 1: And here is where the gruesome reality of this crime
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  Speaker 1: diverges from what you see in the movies, because Howard
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  Speaker 1: doesn't die instantly.
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  Speaker 2: No, he doesn't.
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  Speaker 1: The sources confirm that he survived the initial shot. He
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  Speaker 1: is still alive for a period of minutes, making noises,
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  Speaker 1: clearly suffering.
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  Speaker 2: Let's look at the physiology of a gunshot wound to
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  Speaker 2: the head, particularly from a. 22 caliber weapon.
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  Speaker 1: Right, because it's a smaller bullet, isn't it?
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. A. 22 is a small, relatively low-velocity projectile. While
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  Speaker 2: it can penetrate the skull, it often doesn't have the
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  Speaker 2: kinetic energy to exit.
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  Speaker 1: So it stays inside.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, meaning it can bounce around inside the cranium, causing
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  Speaker 2: severe brain damage, but not always immediate brain death, especially
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  Speaker 2: if it misses the brain stem. Howard was likely paralyzed
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  Speaker 2: or in a state of neurogenic shock, but physically, his
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  Speaker 2: body was still trying to survive.
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  Speaker 1: And what does Marsha do? She doesn't panic. She doesn't
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  Speaker 1: call 911 in a fit of instant regret.
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  Speaker 2: Not at all.
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  Speaker 1: She stands there showing zero concern and simply waits. Then
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  Speaker 1: she shoots him three more times to ensure he is dead.
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  Speaker 1: I have to ask, what is happening in someone's brain
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  Speaker 1: to allow them to just stand there and watch someone
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  Speaker 1: they've known for 24 years slowly die?
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  Speaker 2: Well, we are looking at a severe manifestation of what
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  Speaker 2: psychologists call shallow affect.
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  Speaker 1: Shallow affect. What does that mean?
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  Speaker 2: It's often associated with the dark triad of personality traits,
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  Speaker 2: which are narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy. In a normal human brain,
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  Speaker 2: witnessing suffering, especially suffering you caused, triggers the amygdala, producing
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  Speaker 2: immense stress, panic, and empathy.
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  Speaker 1: You'd feel horrible. Exactly.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But in a psychopathic brain, that emotional response is
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: muted or entirely absent. She watched him suffer for minutes,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: and her only reaction was a calculated decision to finish
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: the job. There's a profound sadism and emotional compartmentalization involved here.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: And the compartmentalization goes even further. And this is the
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: detail that actually made my jaw drop.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this part is wild.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: She leaves his body slumped over the computer chair, bleeding.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: She goes to her bedroom, gets dressed, and casually leaves
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: the house to attend a 9 a.m. job interview.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, she hits pause on a horrific bloody crime
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: scene to go update her resume and smile at a
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: hiring manager.
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: She has completely divorced her actions from any moral or
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: emotional consequence. She is able to perform the social script
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: of a job interview perfectly because the murder she just
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: committed holds absolutely no emotional weight for her.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: It's just sociopathic.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: It really is. And later that day, she returns from
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: the interview, goes back into the bloody office, and moves
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Howard's body from the chair into a closet inside that
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: same room.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: But as we know, researching how to kill someone on
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: Google is very different from dealing with the physical, biological
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: reality of a decaying body in the middle of summer.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: The logistics of murder are never as clean as the plans.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: Right. And that leads to the grotesque problem Marsha faces
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: about a week later.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Because by the eighth day, the reality of biology sets in.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Decomposition is a really aggressive chemical process.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: Especially in June.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly. When a human body dies, the immune system shuts
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: down and the bacteria in the gut immediately begin breaking
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: down the surrounding tissues. It's a process called putrefaction.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And that causes the smell.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Right. This produces gases like cadaverine and putrescine, which have
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: an incredibly potent, distinct, and just overwhelming odor.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: The smell becomes so overwhelming that her biological son, Howard Raymond,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: who lives in the house, starts questioning it.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: He's noticing it for sure.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: And Marsha, without missing a beat, dismisses it. She tells
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: him it's just a dead animal that crawled under the porch.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: A classic excuse.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: But she knows she has a massive logistical problem. So
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: she goes out and buys a power grinder. She lays
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: blankets down on the office floor to absorb fluids and
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: attempts to dismember Howard.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: This is where we see the collision of her calculating
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: nature and her absolute lack of practical preparation. She attempts
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: to cut off his arms, hands, feet, and head all
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: in a single day.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: That's horrifying.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: But she didn't account for the density of human bone.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: A standard power grinder is designed for light metal or masonry.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Human bone, particularly the femur or the dense cortical bone
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: of the limbs, is incredibly strong and resistant to that
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: type of friction.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: So the tool just fails.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Yep. The grinder burns out against the bone. Completely ruined.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Now, most people at this point, I mean, if they
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: hadn't already broken down, they would panic. The tool is broken.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: The body is decaying. The son is asking questions.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: The walls are closing in.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: But Marcia casually walks out to the unattached garage, rummages around,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and retrieves some hand tools. And what's incredibly dark is
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that these were tools left to her by her own father.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: That detail is just chilling.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: She takes her late father's tools, walks back into the office,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: and finishes the gruesome job manually.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Think about the physical exertion and the sensory horror of
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: that task. Sawing through human bone manually takes hours of
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: exhausting physical labor.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: The fact that she could endure the smell, the sight,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: and the physical effort of dismembering the father of her children...
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Treating it like a stubborn DIY project, it just underscores
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: her profound lack of empathy.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: So she places the smaller body parts, the arms, hands, feet,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and head, into separate plastic storage totes. She packs them
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: with ordinary Christmas decorations to disguise them and carries them
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: down to the basement.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: But she runs into another problem with the torso. Right.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: The torso and the legs are too heavy for her
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to carry down the stairs. So she places them in
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a large tote and just leaves it in the corner
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: of the office.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: In the very room where she works.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Yes. And for the next six months, she converts that
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: very office into her daily workspace. She sits in the chair,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: works on the computer, right next to a plastic bin
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: containing her decaying husband.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: And to mask the stench, she plugs Glade air fresheners
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: and potpourri warmers into almost every single electrical outlet in
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the house.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Just everywhere.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: The home becomes saturated with this sickeningly sweet chemical smell
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: mixed with the underlying odor of decay.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, I have a biological question here, because how did
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: she not pass out or vomit every time she walked
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: into that room for six months?
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: It's a fair question.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Even with air fresheners, a decomposing body in a plastic
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: bin inside a house is going to smell unimaginable.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it comes down to a physiological phenomenon called olfactory
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: fatigue or nose blindness.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Nose blindness, like when you can't smell your own perfume anymore. Exactly.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Exactly. The olfactory receptors in the nose constantly send signals
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: to the brain when a new odor is introduced. But
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: if the odor remains constant, the brain eventually stops registering
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: it to prevent sensory overload.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: That allows the person to smell other new things in
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: their environment. Marcia just habituated to the smell of decay.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: To her, it just became the background scent of the house,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: masked heavily by the chemical air fresheners.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: She is crazy. Quite literally, working alongside the rotting consequences
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of her actions. It's a macabre version of out of sight,
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: out of mind, except, you know, he is right there.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: He's right next to her.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: But having physically hidden Howard, Marcia now faced a new challenge.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: She had to explain his sudden disappearance to his family,
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: his friends, and his employer.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: And she didn't just stay quiet and feign ignorance.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: No, she actively became the author of a very cruel fiction.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: She takes Howard's cell phone. And she begins impersonating him.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: She sends texts to the family saying that Howard has
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: left Ohio, that he has abandoned his family, and that
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: he's moved down to Texas to start a brand new life.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Let's pull on that thread because this isn't just about
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: covering her tracks, right?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: No, there's a financial angle too.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: She uses his phone to communicate with his employer. She
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: pretends to be Howard, stating that he is retiring and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: moving away. And she specifically instructs the employer to send
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: his retirement paperwork to his wife, Marsha. so she can
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: fill it out and collect the checks.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: It's a sophisticated layer of financial fraud built right on
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: top of the murder. She is simultaneously depleting his bank
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: accounts via ATM withdrawals.
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Just draining everything.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But the financial theft pales in comparison to the
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: emotional toll this took on the children. Remember, Howard had
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: just reconnected with his sons. He had promised to go
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: to Jonathan's wedding.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And then he doesn't show up. Jonathan is devastated. To
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: make matters worse, Jonathan sees a Facebook post from Howard's account.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: That Marsha posted.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Right. Marsha has logged into his Facebook and posted a
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: status update essentially saying, I'm fine. I'm soul searching in Texas.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Don't reach out to me. I'll reach out when I'm ready.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: The psychological torture here is profound. She isn't just protecting
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: herself from a murder charge. She's actively weaponizing Howard's digital
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: footprint to inflict maximum pain on the step-sons she always hated.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: She makes Howard the villain of his own disappearance.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Jonathan reads this and he is furious. He thinks his dad,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: who finally seemed to be turning a corner, has just
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: callously skipped his wedding to go on a joyride in Texas.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: So he reacts.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: So Jonathan sends a scathing private message to the account.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: He writes, instead of going on your soul-searching mission, you
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: could have showed up to your son's wedding like you promised.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: And after he sends that message, the account just goes
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: completely dark. No response.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: It requires a very distinct, very rare type of cruelty
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to maintain a charade like that every day for six months.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: You have to actively choose to inflict that pain day
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: after day, every time you pick up that phone to
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: send a fake text.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Jonathan later said something that just broke my heart when
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: he found out the truth. He realized, quote, he didn't
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: ignore me. He just didn't come because he wasn't alive.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: I'll live with that regret of that message I sent forever.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: That's heartbreaking.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: She hijacked his memory to break his kids' hearts all
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: over again. But as clever as she thought she was,
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: forensic digital evidence is a silent witness that never sleeps.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: And this is where the intersection of technology and law
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: enforcement becomes crucial. Because cell tower pings eventually proved that
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: Howard's phone never once left the state of Ohio.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Let's break down how that actually works, because people hear
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: cell tower pings on TV all the time.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: How does a digital forensic investigator prove that the phone
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: didn't go to Texas, even if the texts say he's
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: in Texas?
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Well, every time a cell phone is turned on, even
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: if it's not actively making a call, it constantly communicates
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: with the nearest cellular towers to maintain a signal.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, so it's always pinging.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Yes. The network logs which tower the phone is connected
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: to and the specific sector or antenna on that tower.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: By pulling the historical cell site data from the service provider,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: investigators can triangulate the general area of the phone at
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: any given time.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, so the location is mapped out.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Right. So if the texts claiming to be from Texas
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: are bouncing off a cell tower half a mile from
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: the Eubank residence in Ohio, the geographical lie is instantly exposed.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: But the digital evidence would only come into play later,
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: because this elaborate web of physical and digital lies held
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: incredibly strong for half a year.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: It did. Nobody suspected a thing.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: But it only took one locked door to bring the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: entire facade crashing down on December 9th, 2017. Yes.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Howard Raymond, Marsha and Howard's biological son, is locked out
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: of the house. Marsha's at work. He tries all the doors,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: tries the windows. Nothing is giving.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: So he has to break in.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: So he goes to the unattached garage, grabs a ladder,
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: and props it up against the back of the house
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: to access an unsecured window that leads directly into the
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: locked office.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: And as soon as he forces that window open and
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: climbs inside, he is hit by a literal wall of odor.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: It is an overwhelming stench of cleaning solvents, potpourri, and
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: severe biological decomposition.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: He must have been terrified.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: He looks over and sees two totes in the corner
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: of the room covered in blankets. And the totes are swarming. Oh, wow.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Live maggots, an abundance of flies. He is terrified, but
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: he knows he has to get it out of the house.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: He calls a cousin over, and together they carry this
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: heavy tote out the front door.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: Just dragging it out?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they drag it all the way around the west
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: side of the house, leaving a visible drag path in
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: the dirt to the backyard.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And as they are moving it, the tote upends. It
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: tips over, the lid falls off, and it reveals a
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: large mass of decomposing matter.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Howard Raymond doesn't know exactly what he is looking at.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: It's so far gone. So he takes out his phone,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: snaps a picture of the mass, and texts it to
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: his mother who is sitting at work. He asks her,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: what is this?
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Her response is immediate. And it is chillingly, horrifyingly casual.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: What did she say?
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: She texts him back and says, that is the body
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: of your father. I killed him on June 13. The
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: rest of the parts are in the basement in boxes.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Call the police.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Imagine seeking your mother's reassurance about something terrifying you just
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: found in your house, and her response is essentially, yeah,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: that's your dad. I chopped him up. Call 911.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: It's an unimaginable betrayal.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: It really is. After she sends that text, she knows
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: the clock has run out. She immediately clocks out of
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: her job, sends a text message to her manager stating
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: that she quits, and she goes on the run.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: But detectives are mobilized instantly. They interview friends and family,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: but when that turns up nothing... they contact her cellular carrier.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: They initiate a real-time GPS location ping on her phone.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: How is that different from the historical data?
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Unlike historical cell site data, a real-time ping forces the
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: phone to send its exact GPS coordinates back to the
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: network right at that moment.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Ah, okay. And at 6.15 p.m., the ping comes through.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: She is at the Arlington Walmart, which is directly behind
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: her own neighborhood.
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: Right in her backyard.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: The sheriff, who was actually just driving home from his shift,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: is right across the street. He pulls into the Walmart
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: parking lot, weaving between the parked cars, looking for her.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: And he spots her.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: What is she doing?
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: She is walking toward her vehicle, pressing her key fob
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: to unlock it. As he approaches her, he startles her.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: She shrieks, throws her arms up defensively, and actually tries
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: to attack him with her car keys.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: The sheriff grabs her wrist, stops the attack, and says
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: to her, it's been a hell of a day.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: And Marsha looks at him and replies, it's been a
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: hell of a six months and I'm just glad it's over.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: I mean. that response.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: I am stuck on that quote. She's glad it's over
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: for her. The burden of hiding the body is over
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: for her. There is zero acknowledgement of the fact that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: she just irreparably destroyed her children's lives.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: It is entirely self-centered. And while she's taken into custody,
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: The forensic teams are descending on the house. Right.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: The crime scene unit.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: The realities they found there were staggering. Investigators used luminol
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: inside that home office.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: People hear about luminol all the time on forensic shows.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: It glows blue when it hits blood, right?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: But how does it actually work, especially if she's been
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: cleaning that office for six months?
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Well, luminol is a chemical that exhibits chemiluminescence. When it
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: reacts with the iron found in hemoglobin, which is the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: protein in red blood cells that carries oxygen, it produces
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: a bright blue glow under ultraviolet light.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it reacts with the iron. Right.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Even if you use bleach or industrial cleaners, trace amounts
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: of iron seep into the microscopic crevices of a room.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: In this case, it showed massive blood spatter patterns from
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the baseboards all the way up to the ceiling.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Wow, even after all that cleaning.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: The blood had soaked through the carpet, through the padding.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and deeply into the wooden floorboards beneath. It just confirmed
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: the extreme violence of the act.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Meanwhile, at the medical examiner's office, they were faced with
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: the unthinkable task of reassembling Howard's remains like a puzzle.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: A gruesome job.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: They had to use x-rays to find the four projectiles
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: lodged in his skull, which officially tied the cause of
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: death to the. 22 caliber pistol found at the scene.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: The physical evidence was overwhelming, which brings us to the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: legal aftermath.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: During her initial police interviews, Marsha remained entirely cold. Investigators
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: noted she showed absolutely no remorse. She was confident, matter-of-factly
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: explaining what she did and how she did it.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: But then she tries to fight it.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Right. She lawyers up and initially pleads not guilty. She
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: attempts to mount a battered woman syndrome and temporary insanity defense.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Which the investigators completely debunked. They pulled the records, interviewed
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the family, and proved that she was the aggressor, not
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: the victim.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: The prosecutors charged her with aggravated murder.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Which in Ohio carries the potential for life without the
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: possibility of parole. Plus, tampering with evidence and abuse of
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: a corpse. But it doesn't go to a massive, highly
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: publicized trial.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: No, the prosecution ends up offering her a plea deal.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: She pleads guilty to a slightly lower murder charge, along
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: with the tampering and abuse charges.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: And the sentence?
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: The judge sentences her to life in prison, but she
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: will be eligible for parole in the year 2037, which
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: is essentially after serving 20 years.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: 20 years before parole, eligibility feels incredibly light for a
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: premeditated execution and six months of corpse mutilation. I think
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: a lot of people hearing this will feel like justice
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: wasn't fully served.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: From a purely punitive standpoint, it is a difficult pill
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: to swallow. But we have to look at the value
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: of the plea deal from the perspective of the victims.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: The family. Right.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: Going to trial would have meant putting Howard Raymond on
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the stand to testify about finding his father rotting in
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: a plastic bin. It would have meant Marsh's defense attorneys
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: dragging Howard's name through the mud in open court, trying
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: to paint him as an abuser just to save herself.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: That would be brutal.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: A plea deal stops the act of trauma. It spares
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: the family... the circus of a trial, providing a guaranteed
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: conviction without forcing the victims to relive the nightmare on
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  Speaker 2: a witness stand.
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  Speaker 1: It stopped the act of trauma, but it doesn't erase
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  Speaker 1: the pain. Jonathan, speaking about his father, said, quote, Nobody
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  Speaker 1: ever heals completely. The pain's still there. You just learn
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: to live with it.
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  Speaker 2: He imagines his dad finally resting, sitting by a lake
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  Speaker 2: with a cold beer.
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  Speaker 1: But when Jonathan talks about Marsha, he gives this incredibly
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: haunting warning. He says, Evil crept into that woman and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: sat there just festering. You look into that woman's eyes,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: you will see nothing. You see nothing.
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  Speaker 2: It perfectly encapsulates the ripple effect of this crime. The
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: cruelty didn't stop with Howard. It deeply scarred her stepchildren.
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  Speaker 2: It traumatized her biological children who discovered the scene.
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  Speaker 1: And it even affected the hardened forensic technicians who had
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to spend their day piecing a human being back together. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Absolutely everyone involved was marked by this.
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  Speaker 1: As we wrap up this deep dive, we started by
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  Speaker 1: looking at a quiet house on a normal street. And
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  Speaker 1: beneath that mundane exterior, we uncovered a six-month-long nightmare, driven
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  Speaker 1: by greed, a desperate need for control, and a profound,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: terrifying absence of human empathy.
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  Speaker 2: We've seen how digital footprints can be used as literal
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  Speaker 2: weapons of psychological torture.
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  Speaker 1: And how a family can be completely fractured from the
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: inside out. By the person who was supposed to hold
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: it together.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we rely so heavily on digital communication today. Texts,
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: social media updates, instant messages. These are the primary ways
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: we maintain relationships with family and friends who don't live
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  Speaker 2: down the street.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It's how we stay connected.
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  Speaker 2: But this case forces us to ask a terrifying question.
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  Speaker 2: If someone were to hijack your digital life tomorrow, if
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: they perfectly mimicked your tone, used your catchphrases, and sent
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: texts from your phone to push away the people you love,
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  Speaker 2: how long would it take for anyone to realize that
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: you are truly gone? Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Think about that text message in the church. Dad's dead.
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  Speaker 1: Mom killed him. It only took five words to shatter
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  Speaker 1: a six-month illusion. Stay curious, stay vigilant, and remember... Never
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  Speaker 1: stop looking beneath the surface of the quiet houses on
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: your street.