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The Pacers Report with Mike Rich, Mike Hutsell & Will Retherford (2.230.2) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_01]: Welcome, Bacers fans of the Central Indiana Sports Report for this week's Pacers Report with Mike Rich.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We are also joined by Will Rutherford and Mike Hutsl to review the 2020 season.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Very quickly and mostly look ahead to what's probably the most important offseason in franchise history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Mike, you kick us off,
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[SPEAKER_07]: No, it was disappointing as a fan, but also knowing the opportunity as well.
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[SPEAKER_07]: As bad as it was, we have an opportunity to be in a really good position next year.
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[SPEAKER_07]: We have zoo bots coming back, while Tyre's Hall of Berkman coming back, Pascal's
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[SPEAKER_07]: Kneesmith, them hard, and then hopefully one of these top four picks.
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[SPEAKER_07]: You know, as the season started, thought I think we all sat there and did our preseason picks, and some of us picked probably over 50 games with that team.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I was a little more pessimistic, and as the season went on, and injury started getting added up,
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[SPEAKER_07]: There was a point, probably early in the first half, I was like, this team's not going to win 20 games this year.
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[SPEAKER_07]: We go from the second best team in the NBA year before to the second worst team in the NBA all in one year.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But then we can be right back in top two, top one next year.
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[SPEAKER_07]: It was a great opportunity for a lot of the younger players that really had a lot of opportunity to develop.
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[SPEAKER_07]: The rookie's got a lot of playing time, a lot of starting time for Jaris Walker.
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[SPEAKER_07]: The evolution of Jaris Walker over this year was pretty significant and pretty important for what we're going to do next year.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Summon up, I'm happy it's over and looking forward to May 10th.
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[SPEAKER_07]: and completely optimistic about next year.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think even without a top four pick there and they're top 14.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll forget this season even happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we'll just skip over from the 24, 25 faces to the 26, 27 faces.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's how it's going to work in our memories, Mike.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think that's exactly how it's going to work.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I mean, we're going to forget this season.
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[SPEAKER_07]: And the only thing we're going to remember about this season is what the outcome of May 10th is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As I said, it's possible we could look back on this season as oddly enough, one of the most successful and franchise history.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If they had one of these, one of these guys that we're all fighting for right now, obviously to me, it's still debainta and everyone else, but Caleb Wilson, Boozer, Kingston Flimings, if you had any of these guys in the top four, we're going to look back pretty fondly and
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, last about the season 19 wins and I think they play 22 players over the course of the season who's going to be back next year who knows I don't think we're long for the jail and slawson era of pacers basketball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they could go into next season.
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[SPEAKER_02]: One of the top three teams in the East, very easily, even if they don't get one of these top four picks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If they get one of these top four picks, you're probably potentially going in as the Eastern Conference favorite.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is how Oklahoma City get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They had bad season and bad season, and they stacked up, and they got shit, and they got jail and Williams, and they got all these guys and all these picks.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And now, they're probably going to win their second title in a row.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it's tough to say when you're 24 minutes from a title last year that a 19 win season was a success, but we could very well look back on it as one of the best seasons the paceers ever had because they could add a player that realistically they never have an opportunity to add any other way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And as really as great as Reggie Miller was, as great as Tyre's Halliburton is at this point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've never had what you would call a franchise player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've never had it first team all NBA player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm not saying any of these guys are necessarily going to be, but when's the last time the Pacers had a chance to have patched you in the last time they had a chance in a guy like this?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The Pacers have never had the opportunity to do it in the draft.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You're absolutely right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But for the Pacers to pull it off, they have to pull it off by trade.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think they've done twice by trade.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think now you just got to hope that it happens.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still am hesitant, but your hope is that they can do so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really think outside of Peter's and I think any of the other three, four options are probably immediately make this team, like Utsel said, best team in the East, top two team in the entire league.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, am I wrong in that analysis or are you guys seeing it somewhere else?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't see a deeper team in the east if they add AJ to bands to the guys that Mike's already listed with Haliburton coming back and Siakum and of Zubots is as good as we think he can be if I even said his name correctly, I apologize if I didn't.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You had with Jaris making a little bit of a leap or now you can look at trading niece
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[SPEAKER_02]: adding size to the front court to back up the bet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, the options that are going to be at this team's.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Available for this team, when if they could hold on to this pick or are just absurd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I like the trade still with the development of flimings, I kind of hate the table us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because even at five, you're going to get a really good player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, even if they don't, they're still going to be really good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think even if they don't get one of those guys, the kind of guy you're talking about at the end of the bench that you're cutting are really good player.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys that you would then be able to keep are still really good players.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Jay Huffs a pretty good second string center.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think Ben Shepherd is a serviceable.
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[SPEAKER_01]: NBA player and if they add a guy in the offseason.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, from the main core.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I can see TJ possibly being moved.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That just made me sad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just moved a sister here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You think they're going to move TJ out.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Come on.
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[SPEAKER_07]: What a bring the mood down, Hutsal.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I want to hear you sign again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think Quentin Jackson possibly, and I like Quentin Jackson, but I think maybe Jaris Walker, I think there's a trade walker for some draft capital.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I wouldn't trade McConnell, but I'm not Kevin Pretter.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He makes good decisions when it comes
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[SPEAKER_04]: I'm not so long walker.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I think the guy who's definitely gone has been shepherd.
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[SPEAKER_04]: I don't see us about how to agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Outside of that, they have absolutely no free agents of note.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So.
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[SPEAKER_04]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Somebody here.
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[SPEAKER_04]: They have a top four pick though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we're talking about tail and Peter, not making the roster.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the, I feel like he have Jones depending on who they get, could be potential trade bait.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really liked that pick on the second round last year, but I'm not really sure that there's a, I'm not sure there's really a spot for him to be honest with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're pretty stacked up there at that shooting guard slash small forward position.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not really big enough to be a three and I don't necessarily see him as a point guard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just may sense at this point really the only thing I'm focused on as a patient's fan just.
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[SPEAKER_00]: hoping they can get the pick that really they deserve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've done they have played in this league for 50 years ethically.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've done everything the right way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been above the board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've taken care of stars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have been disgruntled and won it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've just done it that right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If any team has ever deserved an opportunity to get one of these franchise changing players, it's the Indiana Pacers.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I just want to throw out Greg.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What about you land for the guys you want are gone.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Somebody takes the ban says somebody takes booze or somebody takes Wilson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You take flimmings or a cuff.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Could you trade in him hard?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What about Peter sent?
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[SPEAKER_02]: That guy just doesn't seem to enjoy basketball.
10:01
[SPEAKER_02]: They're just, hey guys, get up though.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Tell me, I'm an old basketball player.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's going to make you a Hall of Fame GM, or you are going to lose your job because of that guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's one, it's one or the other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He been Simmons there to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He just does not seem to care.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The answer is yes, if it gets a better return for a better team, I'll trade anybody, and that includes Tyre's Hall of Britain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll trade you Tyre's right now for a championship, you hear that?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, Tyre's isn't going anywhere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I understand, I just can't deal with me as yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's going to probably be unpopular.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think you can trade him hard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is as close to untouchable with his contract and the role he plays on this team as possible because he gives you the flexibility to not make.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tyre's caliber in guard the other team's best guard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's Andrew Nimbard.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is one of those guys that I honestly, I think Aaron Neesmith is as close to untouchable to because I just think the role they play, you are not going to get Darren Peterson that will fill in for the role that an Aaron Neesmith plays on a championship team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They don't make him like Neesmith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just he's just a gritty ball player and I, I, I,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the issue with this team is that you talk about these guys in the moves they have to make, but I'm just, I'm not sure adding more star power and getting rid of the sandpaper that made this team what it is is actually going to get them any closer to championship.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's a really fair point.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not, I don't necessarily disagree with you.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is one of those years.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Some is, you know, greater than the, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know the old man saying even though I watched George Michael sports machine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I should know.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, you did.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I should know my boomer statements, but I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We have for this audience has no idea who George Michael is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They probably don't even know who George Michael was seeing.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They, I was going to say they don't even know the George Michael that's saying the limpus gets on faith.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They don't even know who limpus get is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's be real.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And spread.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, Mike, you remember the night of the 2021 draft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I texted you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I really liked the pastures.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Getting, Matherin and Kindle Brown, but I just thought that the Nim hard pick was a waste of a pit traffic.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's OK, Greg, because remember my response when Tyre's Halleberg and became a passer was, does this cut into Darius, Washington, June years and minutes?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I was so concerned with him getting rotational minutes and how this Haliburton tree was going to be affected.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Man, we all have tragic takes that we can't take back.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Alright guys, last question, what seed will the patient be a year from today?
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[SPEAKER_02]: the two spot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll go Boston what reclaimed the ones but I think they'll move ahead of Detroit in New York for the two spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there are three seed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a team that's not going to be as worried about the regular season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they'll be comfortable given up a couple games to have their guys fully rested.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Detroit's always going to be a regular season team and I don't think they're ever going to have the postseason success because I don't think they have the
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[SPEAKER_00]: grittiness that it takes to probably win deep in the post season, but I think the pacers have, I think they're a top three team regardless of what happens with this pick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Probably four seed, but finish the season first and be in the finals next year.
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[SPEAKER_07]: You know, I think it'll take a little while for them to gel.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I think zoo bots being in with
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[SPEAKER_07]: getting used to that rotation figuring out where your role players are going to be coming off the bench.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I think it'll be a slow start next year.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I think the win is a lot.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Of course, health is key.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But I think they're definitely a top 14 in the east.
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[SPEAKER_07]: As it is, with the players they have coming back, I think they're a top 14.
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[SPEAKER_07]: If they add in the draft, they're going to be, they're going to be a tough team to be.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be a fresh team that's for sure not a lot of meds, but it's here except for the Arkham.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Good rest, good balance this year.
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[SPEAKER_07]: All of Burton's coming back bigger, hopefully stronger.
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[SPEAKER_07]: I think some of his bigness came from the medication he's been on for the shingles.
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[SPEAKER_07]: But hopefully he's a little more physical.
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[SPEAKER_07]: Hopefully he can stay right around 200.
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[SPEAKER_07]: $1.95, $200, I think he'll be good.
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[SPEAKER_07]: He needed to bulk up a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks, guys.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much to my man, Mike Rich, or as we knew him back in Spanish, classed Miguel Rico every Monday on the Paces Report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: and to my Cutsle, who you can hear Tuesday late morning early afternoon with his partner Grant Shouse on the IU report talking about the transfer portal with some big news for the Hoosiers on Monday, and thanks as well to my guy Will Rutherford, you can hear him with Paul Tippton on Tuesday on the MLB report and on Friday.
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