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Divorce FAQs - Part 2 · Reflect Reclaim & Liberate - with Sallyanne Hartnell

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  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to Reflect, Reclaim and Liberate the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: Finding the space for all of you in life and love.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm your host, Sally Ann Hartnell, and this podcast is for anyone wanting to reclaim and liberate themselves in their relationships and their life.
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• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to another episode of Reflect, Reclaim and Liberate.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is part two.
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  SPEAKER_00: This episode is part two of frequently asked questions about divorce.
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  SPEAKER_00: And look, depending how long this goes for, it might also roll over into a part three.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's so much to cover.
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  SPEAKER_00: So to kickstart this episode, the question that I'm most often asked after how much is it going to cost?
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  SPEAKER_00: Who's going to get what?
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  SPEAKER_00: Can I keep the house?
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  SPEAKER_00: What about the kids?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_00: What about the kids?
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  SPEAKER_00: So what happens with kids in divorce?
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, contrary to popular belief, there is no rule that there must be 50-50 care.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: There's no hard and fast rules about making arrangements for which parent a child will live with or spend time with after the parents separate.
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  SPEAKER_00: However, under family law in Australia, children do have a right to know and be cared for by both parents, and hence the introduction of the presumption of equal shared parental responsibility.
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  SPEAKER_00: So technically, there's no mother's rights or father's rights that exists in Australia.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: The Family Law Amendment Act in 2006 changed that emphasis from the parents to the children, and that's when the term shared parental responsibility was introduced, and that's what we use instead.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, in most cases, it is best that the parents, you, the parents of these children, discuss their individual needs and you come to an agreement between you about where the children will live, how they'll spend time with their parents, how that will look as you reorganize your family.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I know that's not always possible, but you as parents know your children best.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know how your family operates, you know the you can understand the pros and cons, you can look at the practicalities, you are the best ones to decide.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there are all sorts of ways that separated families, separated parents can make sure that their kids have solid, healthy, happy, ongoing relationships with both of you, both of their parents.
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  SPEAKER_00: So if you and your co-parent can agree on the future arrangements for your children, you don't have to go to court.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can make a parenting agreement, you can submit consent orders or obtain consent orders that are parenting orders approved by the court.
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  SPEAKER_00: Most separated or divorced parents do successfully agree on their own arrangements for the care of their children after joint discussions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Get together, work out what's practically emotionally best for your children and how you can make that work for everybody.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you can't agree, if you can't, then specialist family mediation services, which I spoke about in the first part of this podcast mini-series, um, family dispute resolution practitioners can help parents, that's a fancy word for mediators, by the way, can help parents come to something that they can both agree on, a compromise or a mutually agreeable decision.
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  SPEAKER_00: If the parents, or if you as parents still can't agree, then a judge in a family court will make a decision.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: And that judge's decision will be based on the best interests of the child with um within the bounds of the Family Law Act.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's not ideal.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_00: You want, as parents, to be able to make the decisions yourself, to choose for yourselves and to set something in place that deeply supports all of your kids or everybody involved, your kids and you as their co-parents.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_00: Getting to a point where you have to take it to court is last resort because then a complete stranger makes decisions for you and your family.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes there is no other choice, sometimes that is the only way, and particularly if there's any form of family violence involved, if the children's safety is in question, then you don't have a choice.
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  SPEAKER_00: You have to go to court.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_00: However, if you can avoid that, if you can avoid that situation, it's safe for you to do so, it's safe for your kids, then you, as their parents, get to make the decisions.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_00: Whether that be DIY kitchen table, and then submit that to the court as consent orders, whether that is supported through mediation with a family dispute resolution practitioner, collaborative law, or lawyer-assisted agreement, whatever.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_00: If you can avoid going to court, you actually still retain control and you retain the capacity to make the decisions that are in the best interests of your children.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: So, what is a parenting plan?
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  SPEAKER_00: A parenting plan is a written agreement setting out the parenting arrangements for your children.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can be like a diary setting out who will see the children on each day, how you're going to navigate school holidays, birthdays, Christmas, all of those sorts of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this is often done at the point of separation.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's different to consent orders or a parenting order in that it's not formalized by the court.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is an agreement between the two of you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It is therefore not enforceable by the court.
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  SPEAKER_00: However, the benefit of it is it can easily be changed without having to go back into court or involve lawyers, provided you both agree to changes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a parenting plan is a less formal way of agreeing, usually in writing, actually always in writing, about the arrangements for your child or for your children.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's no set form, there's no set formula, it doesn't get filed in court, it can be really short and simple or really very detailed, whatever works best for your family.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can work out a parenting plan by yourselves or with the help of a coach or a counselor or even a mediator.
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  SPEAKER_00: You don't need a lawyer to draw up the parenting plan, but you can still ask a lawyer for advice.
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  SPEAKER_00: So a parenting plan is simply a written document that you can both rely on instead of just a verbal agreement.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can, as I said, be easily changed as long as both parents agree.
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  SPEAKER_00: It can be easily changed without needing to involve anyone else or having to go to court.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it is important to be aware that parenting plans by themselves are not legally enforceable agreements.
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  SPEAKER_00: They can, though, be used as evidence of your intentions and your earlier agreements should your parenting matter ever have to be decided by a court in the future.
• 7:57
  SPEAKER_00: And the court will make orders.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: Generally, they'll make orders in line with the most recent parenting plan, provided those arrangements are in the best interests of the children or the child.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: So generally, parenting plans work best where you and your partner are relatively amicable, you're able to communicate well with each other and without a great deal of conflict, and you don't think that that's going to shift or change in the future.
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  SPEAKER_00: Next question: what then is a consent order?
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  SPEAKER_00: As I mentioned in the previous FAQ's episode of the podcast, a consent order is that written agreement that is then submitted and approved by the court based on an agreement that you've made together, be that just the two of you or with mediation or legal support.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: So when you and your ex-partner, co-parent, agree about arrangements for your children, you can apply to the court for the agreement to be formalized, lodge it with the court, it's formalized, and that agreement is then called a consent order.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: So consent orders are court orders that set out what both of you need to do.
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  SPEAKER_00: They have the same force and effect as if you had gone to court and the judge made the decision on your behalf.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: But you get to choose, you get to retain control over the process and what is in those orders.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if one of you breaks a court order, you are actually breaking the law and the court could give you a penalty.
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  SPEAKER_00: The pros of consent orders or having your parenting agreement formalized in the court is that if circumstances change in the future, then you've got something that is legally enforceable.
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  SPEAKER_00: The other positive of consent orders is that you, as the parents, retain control over what is included and what is not included in those orders in that agreement.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: You come to an agreement together, whether that's supported by other professionals, mediators, lawyers, or just yourselves, you have control.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_00: You're not outsourcing, not outsourcing, that's the wrong term, but you're not giving away your control to a judge.
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  SPEAKER_00: You get to say what goes in those orders.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, next FAQ, what is a parenting order?
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  SPEAKER_00: So a parenting order is slightly different.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a court-authorised document, like consent orders, binding, legally binding and enforceable, but it usually is a decision made by the court when you as parents can't decide.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: So the court does take in a number of things into consideration when they have to make or they ask to make parenting orders, and ultimately, of course, they consider what will be in the best interest of the child or children.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: They'll also look at the benefit to the child of having a meaningful relationship with each of you, with both parents, and any risk to the child.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: So the need to protect the child or children from physical, psychological harm or being subjected to or exposed to abuse, neglect, family violence, etc.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: The court then will consider the children's views, taking into account their age, stage, maturity, and also whether it's appropriate for both parents to have equal shared parental responsibility.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: And what that means, what equal shared parental responsibility means, is that both um parties, both parents, both of you as parents are able to make decisions about the major long-term, the big issues relating to your children's care.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: Again, considering what's in the best of the interests of the children, the court will determine what what time the children will spend with either of you and what's practical given your individual circumstances.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_00: So this is when you can't make a decision, you can't come to agreement as a couple, as parents, the court then takes the responsibility for making the decision and then issuing those as parenting orders.
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  SPEAKER_00: Legally binding, legally enforceable, and difficult to change.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: You have to go back to court to change them.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: Now, kids and money is the next thing I want to address, which I'm very often asked about.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Will I have to pay or will I receive any child support?
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  SPEAKER_00: Under Australian law, separated parents, including same-sex parents, de facto parents who are de facto, parents who are married, separated parents have a duty to provide a proper, decent level of financial support for their children.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: So if you have a child or children under 18 years of age, the parent who undertakes the majority of the childcare duties may be usually eligible to receive child care payments, child support payments from the other parent.
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  SPEAKER_00: And in Australia, where this podcast is being recorded, child support is administered a little bit like income tax.
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  SPEAKER_00: You lodge your tax return with the ATO.
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  SPEAKER_00: Service Australia then uses a formula to work out how much you either receive or need to pay each month.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they have numerous tools and measures to enforce the law.
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  SPEAKER_00: So to work out the amount of child support that should be paid, Services Australia used to be called CSA, Child Support Australia.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now it just comes under the umbrella of Services Australia.
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  SPEAKER_00: We'll look at each parent's income and their combined income, how much time each parent cares for the child, which is called level or percentage of care, the child's age, and if there are any other dependent children involved.
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  SPEAKER_00: A whole lot of other things are taken into consideration.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now that's when you outsource child support payments to government services, services traded, which I said used to be called CSA.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you can come to agreement yourselves, you don't need to, you don't need or necessarily have to go through CSA.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can come to a private agreement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Again, it is preferable if you do that to have it written up as a legally binding agreement.
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  SPEAKER_00: Your family lawyer can help do that.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's locked in and everybody knows going forward how that looks and what that you know, what that means, how much it's going to be, for how long, and as I said, that document is legally binding.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: Another question I'm often asked is do I have to or does he have to or does she have to pay shot child?
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry, pay child support if we share 50-50 care.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_00: Again, in Australia, shared custody means that the non-residential parent or the parent that the child don't doesn't or do not live with tends to pay child support to that residential parent.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: In the case of a 50-50 share split, share, sorry, care split, the higher earner may be required to pay support, child support to the lower earner to ensure that the child children's standard of living is the same in both locations.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: Um again, this is something best decided between the two of you if you can, um, but you can be supported by mediators, lawyers, and at last resort the court to come to some agreement.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um child support does have to do with how much time each parent spends caring for the children, child or children, um, but also it has to do with each person's each parent's income.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: If one parent earns significantly more than the other, it may be necessary for that parent to pitch in more financially.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: Placing equal burden, equal financial burden on both parents is sometimes not realistic and can create a burden, a heavy financial burden for the lesser earning parent.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: So if it comes to court, the court will consider the income and earning potential of both parents and may order the spouse with the higher income to pay child support even though you've got 50-50 care.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, the single best way to avoid having to pay child support is to spend time with your kids.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: And how much you pay, as I said, depends on how many nights per fortnight, per month, per year, whatever your children spend with you.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but there are other factors that can come into play if there is a significant discrepancy between each parent's earning capacity or income.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: What is a binding child support agreement?
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  SPEAKER_00: And do I need one?
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_00: So, as I just said, child support can be collected via assessed and then collected via Services Australia, or if you, as parents, just agree between yourselves as to what your financial arrangements are.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: For example, you might decide that both of you routinely deposit a certain amount of money into a bank account each week.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: That may be an equal amount, or it may be a different percentage amount.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: So you deposit that each week, each month, each fortnight, and then you both use that bank account to pay for agreed children's expenses.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of my clients do that.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: This kind of arrangement or something similar that you've agreed to yourselves works really well for many, many amicably or relatively amicably separated families, separated parents.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: And you may choose to formalize it, make it legally enforceable.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: You may opt to have a binding financial agreement or a binding child support agreement drawn up by lawyers.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a detailed formal document that you both agree to.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's written and signed after each of you has received independent legal advice.
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  SPEAKER_00: So your lawyer must attach a certificate of independent legal advice to the binding child support agreement that you've agreed to after giving you legal advice, and your co-parent also needs to have the same certificate of independent legal advice.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: So you both need to discuss this with lawyers so that you have had independent legal advice, then it can be submitted to the court and it becomes binding.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Next FAQ.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: When can I apply for a divorce?
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: In Australia, you can only apply for a divorce after you've been separated, officially separated, for a period of at least 12 months.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: So this does include being separated but still living under the same roof.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_00: The next FAQ I want to speak to is when.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: So 12 months from date of separation, you can apply for your divorce.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: If if you've been if you separated and then you reconciled for three months or more, the 12-month period starts, it resets and starts again.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_00: But as soon as you've been completely separated for a period of 12 months, you or your spouse can apply to the court for to finalise your divorce.
• 19:19
  SPEAKER_00: What do I need to prove to file for divorce?
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: The answer to that FAQ is nothing.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: Australia has what's known as a no-fault divorce, which means the court doesn't care about any of the circumstances leading to a separation in terms of granting your divorce.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: The court doesn't care if there's infidelity, that whatever.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Whatever the circumstances, um, it doesn't matter in terms of filing for divorce.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: All you need to do is prove that the marriage is irretrievably broken down and that you've been separated for a period of at least 12 months, that there's no chance, reasonable chance of repairing the marriage, that you've lived separately for this 12-month period, or if you've not, you've been separated under the same roof.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the other thing is that you've been married for more than two years, or attended the required counselling with a family court.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: If you've been married for less than two years, you will be required to attend counselling.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: You will be required to attempt relationship counselling and then provide a counselling certificate to the court.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_00: If your spouse refuses to attend the counselling with you, you can still apply for your divorce, but the counsellor will provide a certificate stating that you did attend counselling and your spouse refused to attend.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: There may be some other limited circumstances where counselling like this is not required and you'll need legal support to explain that to the court, explain to the court your reasons for not going to counseling, maybe file an affidavit setting out the reasons why counselling can't take place.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_00: So if you've been married for less than two years, you are required to attend counselling or at least attempt counselling before you divorce.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_00: Do I need to go to court to get divorced?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: The short answer is no.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to attend, and in fact, it's preferable not to go to court.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: If you can agree on your property settlement and parenting arrangements, as I've already explained, you submit your relevant documents either yourselves or via mediator or lawyer, you've agreed, you admit the relevant the relevant documents, and you've your divorce is granted without you going anywhere near a courtroom.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then you are able to download a copy of your divorce orders, um, download and file it.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_00: However, if you've made what's called a sole application, which is You don't you haven't agreed with your spouse, you haven't liaised with your spouse, and you are the only one submitting documents for the divorce.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: If you've made sole application and there's a child, and uh you have a child, one child, one or more children under the age of 18, you need to attend the court hearing.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, in all other instances, provided you set out the set circumstances of your separation and you file the required documents.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: Again, family lawyer can help you with that.
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: File the required documents with court, you don't need to attend the court hearing.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: But if you've made a sole application that is not joint with your soon-to-be-ex and there's a child, you do need to attend.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: An often asked FAQ is do I need a lawyer?
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_00: Technically, no, you don't.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_00: However, it is advisable.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_00: If you've been around here a while, you know that I'm a really strong supporter and advocate of not lawyering up at the very beginning of your separation divorce.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_00: Having said that, it is really important that you are educated and empowered, that you understand your rights, your obligations.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: So getting some legal advice early from a family lawyer who is values aligned with you and a family law specialist, this can actually support you to avoid court or a high conflict divorce.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: It can help you avoid the pitfalls.
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_00: So while you don't need a lawyer to get divorced, it is advisable, preferable, to actually educate and empower yourself around family law by getting some legal advice.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: And I strongly suggest you listen to my other podcast episodes about how to choose a divorce lawyer, a family lawyer.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: There's two of them.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Go back, search back through past episodes and you'll find them.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: So, no, you don't need a lawyer to get a divorce, but some legal advice is strongly recommended.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: Can I or can my spouse refuse a divorce?
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now, reiterating what I said earlier, in Australia, the only grounds for divorce that the m the marriage has broken down irretrievably, there's no reasonable likelihood you'll get back together.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: However, both parties aren't, both parties, both people, both members of the couple are not required to sign the divorce application.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I said before about being a sole applicant.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_00: If one of you doesn't want the divorce to proceed, you don't have really, you've got pretty limited grounds to oppose the divorce.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: And it is likely that the divorce will still take place and be granted.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: So with sole application, if, as I mentioned before, if you make a sole application for divorce, you are then known as the applicant and your spouse is known as the respondent.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_00: And with a sole application, it's necessary that the application is served, delivered to your ex, and that appropriate proof is provided to confirm that that application has been served.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's been delivered to your ex.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: And any documents need to be served on your spouse.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_00: I shouldn't say your ex because they're not yet, your spouse at least 28 days before the court hearing if they live in Australia.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: If they live overseas, different requirements.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: And these documents can be delivered, served by post, by hand, and they can be on your husband, your wife, your spouse personally, or their lawyer, if their lawyer is willing to accept the documents.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: It can even be served on family members, parents, for example, that you know are in contact with your spouse.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Which brings me to next FAQs.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: What if my spouse is overseas or I don't know where they are?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_00: So to be able to file for a divorce, to apply for divorce as a sole applicant, at the date of filing, at least one spouse, one of you, needs to be an Australian citizen or living in Australia or resident in Australia for 12 months.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: You can still file if they are overseas.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: You can still file.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Short answer to the question.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: You'll probably need some legal support, but you can still file if your spouse, husband, wife is in another country.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now, what if you don't know where they are or how to contact them?
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: So, as I said, once you've filed an application, a sole applicant, there's a legal requirement that a copy of that divorce application is served, presented to, given to your spouse.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: If you don't know where they are, you can apply to the court for effectively a waiver, provided that you can show the court you have made attempts to contact your spouse.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: And if then you're successful, um you'll be allowed to serve those divorce papers or the divorce application on a third party, like I said before, um, that the court is satisfied, will bring to your spouse's attention the fact that you filed for divorce.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: For example, I mentioned this just before if you know that your spouse, your wife, your husband is in regular contact with his or her parents, you may be able to apply for substitute service on your spouse's parents.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: So the divorce application or the divorce papers that's served to his parents or her parents, knowing that it will drip feed eventually down to your spouse.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: And for now, I think that's enough.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_00: FAQs answered, um, terms explained.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: There will be a third instalment in this mini-series of podcast episodes because there was just so much that I wanted to clarify and share with you.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: I thought I'd get it done into, but we would have been here for at least another 20 minutes, and that's just too much for anybody to listen to in one hit, especially this kind of dry content.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I've split it out into three.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: Watch for the third divorce FAQ episode dropping soon.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: If there's anything that you think I've missed or questions that you want answered, feel free to connect with me on Instagram, send me a DM, and we can go from there.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_00: For now, thanks for sharing time and space.
• 28:28
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you've found some of what you need in this episode, and I look forward to catching you next time around.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Sally Ann Hartnell, Relationship Coach, and you've been listening to Reflect, Reclaim and Liberate.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_00: You can follow me on Instagram at Reflect Coaching, and if you can think of anyone who would love this episode, please, please share it with them.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_00: I'd also be so grateful if you'd follow the podcast and review this episode so we can get it in the ears of a whole lot more humans just like you who are ready to reclaim and liberate themselves in life and love.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: I hope you'll join me next time for another episode of Reflect, Reclaim and Liberation.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: Until then.