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NFL Legend Ndamukong Suh Talks August Money · Sports Exchange

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, my voice is going up. That's weird. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: they use it a lot the first hour. They use
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  Speaker 2: it a lot late, late, late last night. And we're
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  Speaker 2: doing it again tonight. Welcome to another edition of the
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  Speaker 2: Sports Exchange. My name is Scott Morganroth. Motor City Mad Mouth,
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  Speaker 2: Rob Morosco will join us in the second hour, but
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  Speaker 2: we have Cliff Neal on board. Welcome back, Cliff, as always.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks a lot there, Scott.
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  Speaker 2: We have Jason Prock.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Scott.
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  Speaker 2: And we have our newest panelist. His name is John Hopkins.
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  Speaker 2: John is going to be a regular on the show.
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  Speaker 2: I spoke with him, and I'll tell you, this guy
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  Speaker 2: is unbelievable. I loved his passion, his energy, his desire
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  Speaker 2: to want to talk sports, and that's one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons why I added him to the team. If you
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  Speaker 2: get to know John like I got to know him,
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  Speaker 2: This guy here, he's going to be a blast on
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  Speaker 2: the network. And last but not least, our crack researcher
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  Speaker 2: and our crack everything, and that's Candy Abling. Glad to
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  Speaker 2: have you back on, Candy. Great work.
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  Speaker 5: Glad to be here.
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  Speaker 2: All right, well, let's start talking baseball right away. The
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  Speaker 2: Detroit Tigers actually made a trade this summer, acquiring right-handed
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  Speaker 2: pitcher Jacob Wagaspak from the Brewers, and the Brewers acquire
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  Speaker 2: a player to be named later, or Cash.
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  Speaker 6: On the surface....
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  Speaker 2: Sorry. That's okay. On the surface, what are your thoughts, Cliff,
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  Speaker 2: on this trade the Tigers made for this right-handed pitcher?
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  Speaker 3: He's doing real well in AAA right now. They need
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  Speaker 3: all the help that they can get. They're kind of
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  Speaker 3: a mess. They're just trying to throw anything out there.
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  Speaker 3: He's good in AAA. I don't know if he'll take
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  Speaker 3: that next step in majors because he isn't so good there.
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  Speaker 3: But you never know. I mean, he didn't do that
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  Speaker 3: well in Japan. So I don't, I don't know. I,
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  Speaker 3: I just think they're just throwing whatever they can to, to, to,
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  Speaker 3: to make something work for them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: At this time of the year, teams do that. Is
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  Speaker 2: he in AAA or is he in the major leagues?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what they're.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's kind of a both sometimes up, sometimes down. It's,
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  Speaker 3: it's one of those things.
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  Speaker 1: That's okay.
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  Speaker 2: We'll research a little bit more, but yeah, I know
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  Speaker 2: he started in AAA when they brought him over from
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  Speaker 2: the Brewers and the, Player to be named later, we'll
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  Speaker 2: find out at some point if we don't already know. Jason,
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  Speaker 2: what are your thoughts about this guy? Have you seen
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  Speaker 2: him pitch much?
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  Speaker 6: I haven't seen him pitch much, but here's the thing.
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  Speaker 6: You may see him the next 20 or 25 games.
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  Speaker 6: You know, the Tigers ain't doing that great, as Cliff
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  Speaker 6: was saying. They lost 10 out of 12. They lost
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  Speaker 6: today again. They're just struggling for arms. And sad thing is,
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  Speaker 6: you know, a guy like Verlander, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 6: start of the season, it's, it's looking good. Everything, you know,
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  Speaker 6: the pitching, the hitting, and it just, they just kind
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  Speaker 6: of fell off. And I, I don't attribute it from the,
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  Speaker 6: from the scruple trade at all. I just think that,
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  Speaker 6: but a guy like Wagonstone, I mean, he will be,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he could be either a piece in the
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  Speaker 6: off season, you know, I, like I said, I, I
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  Speaker 6: don't really know. We haven't, we haven't seen kind of
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  Speaker 6: what these, what this bullpen is. So, He could get
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  Speaker 6: some playing time remaining in this season if the Tigers
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  Speaker 6: decide to do that. Or if he does well in AAA,
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  Speaker 6: he could be a player option trade or something in
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  Speaker 6: the offseason. Like I said, it's frustrating for that team,
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  Speaker 6: but at the same time, you've got some young players
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  Speaker 6: and young pitching coming in next season. It's just not
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  Speaker 6: happening for them right now.
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  Speaker 2: Fair enough. Okay. What do you know about it, John?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I'll tell you what, if you look around major
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  Speaker 7: league baseball, there's 30 teams that need pitching. You know,
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  Speaker 7: right now I've got the Nats Rockies game on right
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  Speaker 7: now and the Nats are dying for pitching. San Diego
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  Speaker 7: has died for pitching the Dodgers. I mean, the best
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  Speaker 7: team money can buy. they could use pitching, you know,
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  Speaker 7: they got Scooble, but you know, they could still use
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  Speaker 7: some arms. So, you know, I, I just don't know
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  Speaker 7: what it is. You know, there's just not enough good
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  Speaker 7: pitching in major league baseball. I don't know whether it's,
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  Speaker 7: you know, the talent's not there or there's the coaching's
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  Speaker 7: not there or what they're doing mechanically.
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  Speaker 4: That's messing up people's arms.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know what the deal is, but you know,
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  Speaker 7: like I said, there's 30 teams in need of pitching
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  Speaker 7: in major league baseball.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough.
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  Speaker 4: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, Alita, she's doing what Candy's doing,
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  Speaker 2: what she does best, she's researching. Go ahead, Candy, give
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  Speaker 2: us an update on Wagaspak.
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  Speaker 5: I am not falling asleep. I am getting my facts here.
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  Speaker 5: So the Brewers and the Tigers were actually at one
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  Speaker 5: point thinking about doing the Terrick Scouble trade. Obviously, the
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  Speaker 5: Brewers didn't want to give up as much as the
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  Speaker 5: Tigers wanted for him, so that's what they went with
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  Speaker 5: Los Angeles. But, wagons back to the Tigers. He actually
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  Speaker 5: pitched in 16 games this season for AAA Nashville with
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  Speaker 5: a 1.66 ERA in 21.2 innings pitched, 11 hits, 15
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  Speaker 5: bases on balls, and 33 strikeouts He has been in
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  Speaker 5: 31 big league games dating back all the way to 2019.
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  Speaker 5: He has spent most of his professional baseball career down
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  Speaker 5: in the minors. He has pitched in 208 games down
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  Speaker 5: in the minors. Before this, in 2025, he pitched 25
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  Speaker 5: games at the AAA level in the Philadelphia Phillies and
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  Speaker 5: the Tampa Bay Rays farm system. and had a 2.45 ERA,
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  Speaker 5: but didn't get the call to the majors. And he
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  Speaker 5: hadn't gotten the call to the majors yet this season either.
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  Speaker 5: So it'll be interesting to see what the Tigers do
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  Speaker 5: and if they call him up.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. Everybody's got good information.
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  Speaker 1: There it is.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's continue. Mike Boynton has been named the
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  Speaker 2: interim coach for Michigan basketball. He succeeds Dusty May, who left.
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  Speaker 2: Tell you one thing, this guy actually has a good
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  Speaker 2: track record. Boynton spent the last two seasons in Ann
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  Speaker 2: Arbor and previously served as Oklahoma State's head coach in
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  Speaker 2: 2017 and 24. Their record at Oklahoma State was 119
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  Speaker 2: and 109. So it's an in-house candidate. Cliff, some thoughts.
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  Speaker 3: You know, this guy, yeah, he did– He's definitely had
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  Speaker 3: quite a career. He's gone all over the place. He
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  Speaker 3: used to work for Dallas, and now he's made the
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  Speaker 3: move over here, Oklahoma State. I mean, he's got a
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  Speaker 3: lot to live up to. It's got quite a history
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  Speaker 3: for them. They've done quite a good job. I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: but he's got a lot to live up to. after
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  Speaker 3: May went 64-13. That's a lot to live up to.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure he could do it. I don't think they
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  Speaker 3: would hire him if they didn't. I think he'll be
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  Speaker 3: just fine, and he'll be getting some pretty deep into
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  Speaker 3: the NCAA tournament.
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  Speaker 1: Jason?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with Cliff. Like I said, they have
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  Speaker 6: a solid team, and a lot of players are coming back.
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  Speaker 6: Elliot Cadote, that was a big time bring back for
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  Speaker 6: by him to say, I'm coming back. Trey McKinney made
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  Speaker 6: a big shot in the championship game. He's probably going
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  Speaker 6: to play guard, you know, LJ case on who got
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  Speaker 6: injured last year. It didn't really hurt Michigan because of
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  Speaker 6: the depth on the team. But what my question is,
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  Speaker 6: is it going to be, is he going to implement
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  Speaker 6: and stay with dusty may system or is he going to,
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  Speaker 6: Is he going to let these guys shoot three-pointers, or
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  Speaker 6: is he going to change it up to what he wants?
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  Speaker 6: So there's a lot of four-, five-, and four-, five-star
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  Speaker 6: freshmen coming out of Ann Arbor. Five-star Brandon McKay. Four-star
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  Speaker 6: is Quinn Costello. They have some guys that are going
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  Speaker 6: to be redshirted. So it's going to be interesting to
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  Speaker 6: see how Michigan does and hopefully this doesn't turn out
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  Speaker 6: to be like a John Beeline, Juwan Howard thing. I
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  Speaker 6: don't think I expect that, but I expect this team
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  Speaker 6: to be at least competitive, and they'll be in the
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  Speaker 6: tournament for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, great stuff, Jason. I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: Good research.
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  Speaker 2: All right, John.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, Michigan has always had incredible basketball teams in terms
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  Speaker 7: of talent, in terms of coaching, in terms of traditions.
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  Speaker 7: You know, the only thing I wonder about them is
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  Speaker 7: how much is the fallout from all the drama around
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  Speaker 7: the football team affecting the athletic department as a whole?
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  Speaker 7: Not just basketball, but the other sports as well.
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  Speaker 6: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great point. Well, you don't have Ward manual there.
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  Speaker 2: That's for sure. And they just hired another lady president.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about that on next week's inside
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  Speaker 2: the picture, but that's a great point. You don't have
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  Speaker 2: a ward manual, but I think Kyle Whittingham is going
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  Speaker 2: to do a really good job with that program.
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  Speaker 4: I really do.
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  Speaker 2: So I think they ended up getting it right by
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  Speaker 2: getting rid of Sharon Moore. And you got Kyle Whittingham
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  Speaker 2: was the only one who could have saved that situation.
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  Speaker 2: And from what I've heard, and this is what I've
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  Speaker 2: heard is that, Mike Boynton has been able to keep
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  Speaker 2: a lot of their players from transferring, so he's done
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  Speaker 2: a good job because they ended up keeping an internal candidate.
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  Speaker 2: So this guy's got a bunch of chance to do well.
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  Speaker 2: How well is anybody? Yes, Dusty Mays don't grow on trees,
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  Speaker 2: but great.
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  Speaker 1: Point, John.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, the thing I'm happiest about is they didn't get
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  Speaker 7: Brian Dutcher from San Diego State.
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  Speaker 4: He's getting to stay there.
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  Speaker 2: Well, no, they didn't need to. They ended up making
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  Speaker 2: out well, but great point, pal. Okay, Candy.
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  Speaker 5: So your coach played at the University of Southern Carolina
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  Speaker 5: from 2000 to 2004. He made 129 three-pointers in 125 games,
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  Speaker 5: finishing in the top 10 all-time and fourth in career
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  Speaker 5: games played with the Gamecocks. He made the NCAA tournament
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  Speaker 5: with South Carolina back in 2004. He has coached. He
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  Speaker 5: has head coaching with Oklahoma State from 2017 to 2024,
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  Speaker 5: when then he went to be an assistant defensive coordinator
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  Speaker 5: at Michigan. And then, yes, he was promoted to head coach.
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  Speaker 5: His overall head coaching record is 119 and 109. He
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  Speaker 5: is actually from New York. He was born in Brooklyn,
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  Speaker 5: New York. And he's going to be making $ 3. 6 million.
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  Speaker 5: Let's hope he has some success. You know, following Dusty
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  Speaker 5: is not going to be easy. But if he's kept
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the guys, hopefully he'll have some success.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Scott. Yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 6: I just want to add in his incentives. You know,
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  Speaker 6: his sentence, if he goes to a championship game, he
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  Speaker 6: goes one and a half million. But in 100K for
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  Speaker 6: a Big Ten championship for the season or tournament. So
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  Speaker 6: there's a little bit on the line there, 500K for
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  Speaker 6: the Sweet 16. And that's according to mazenblue.com. But anyway,
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  Speaker 6: I just wanted to kind of add those numbers in there,
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  Speaker 6: as Candy was saying.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I'm doing a little bit of research on
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  Speaker 2: Jacob Wagenspack, and I believe that you research along the way.
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  Speaker 2: He actually has made it to Detroit. He's 32 years
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  Speaker 2: of age, and he actually has a one-on-one record with
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  Speaker 2: the Detroit Tigers. That's what he has right now. And
• 13:02
  Speaker 2: his ERA is 2.40, 23 games, one game started because
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  Speaker 2: they used him as obviously as a bullpen guy, set
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  Speaker 2: up as they call him these days. And he's actually
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  Speaker 2: done decent over there. He's pitched 30 innings with giving
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  Speaker 2: up 15 hits, nine runs. And you know what? This
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  Speaker 2: guy had not done that bad. His strikeouts are 18 strikeouts.
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  Speaker 2: So it's been a limited body of work, but they
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  Speaker 2: were able to get something out of him. The reason
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  Speaker 2: why I went a little deeper on my research here
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  Speaker 2: is this. He's able to get to big leagues. Evidently,
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  Speaker 2: he's done because he's played in one. As I just
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  Speaker 2: mentioned before, Gaines-wise, he played in 23. That works better
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  Speaker 2: for Milwaukee, that they'll get a better player than him
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  Speaker 2: just sitting in AAA. I just wanted to get that
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  Speaker 2: out there, and I was just curious. Everybody did fine,
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  Speaker 2: but I was curious, and I've seen him pitch a little,
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  Speaker 2: but he hadn't pitched a lot. But when he's been
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  Speaker 2: called upon, he has been really, really good. So with
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  Speaker 2: that said, we have one hockey topic, and this one's
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  Speaker 2: got Cliff's name over it. Although anybody that wants to
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  Speaker 2: talk about it afterward, that's okay, too. The New York
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  Speaker 2: Islanders are inducting Pat LaFontaine into the Team Hall of
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  Speaker 2: Fame to formally end their long rift. What are your
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  Speaker 2: thoughts about Pat LaFontaine? I think he was probably one
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  Speaker 2: of your favorite players, wasn't he, Cliff?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he came in 1984. He was in the Olympic team.
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  Speaker 3: That's got to be a tough spot to follow up
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  Speaker 3: the 1980 Miracle on Ice team, but they did their best. And, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he just fit right into that team.
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  Speaker 4: He did.
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  Speaker 3: Unfortunately hit 1984 and that was, they, they got to
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  Speaker 3: the finals, but, uh, yeah, he, uh, he was always, uh,
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  Speaker 3: a great player until he got traded for, uh, Terjean
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  Speaker 3: and that big deal. But, uh, yeah, it, it, and
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  Speaker 3: the problem started and we, I've talked about this in length. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I've talked about this in length about Millberry, about that entire,
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  Speaker 3: like 30 year, nearly 30 year insane asylum. Um, And
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  Speaker 3: this was just, I didn't even talk about this one.
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  Speaker 3: This had to happen. This had to do with when
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  Speaker 3: they hired Neil Smith and they fired him in 40
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  Speaker 3: days and then hired Garth Snow. Oh, Charles Wong thought
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  Speaker 3: he was smart. He was retiring. Garth Snow was the
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  Speaker 3: backup goalie. He was a fine backup goalie, but they
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  Speaker 3: hired him because, oh, he seems smart. You just had
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  Speaker 3: Neil Smith. Why did you hire Neil Smith? And what
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  Speaker 3: they did was they made Pat LaFontaine like a special
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  Speaker 3: assistant for it. So he went along with them because like,
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  Speaker 3: what are you doing? And they basically blackballed him. It
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  Speaker 3: was absolutely insane. It was ridiculous. It was so insulting
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  Speaker 3: to treat such a great player who had done so
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  Speaker 3: much and For years and years and years, he could
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  Speaker 3: not go anywhere near that Coliseum. Anytime they would like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how you do this. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you remember the Easter Epic, the overtime playoff game
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  Speaker 3: against Washington. He scored that. It's like a legendary overtime game.
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  Speaker 3: And somehow they were able to edit around him and
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  Speaker 3: would not even mention it. They treated him horribly. And
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  Speaker 3: now that they have the new ownership, They've been reaching
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  Speaker 3: out to other players, trying to make up, and that
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  Speaker 3: was one of the things they absolutely wanted to do
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  Speaker 3: is bring him back into the fold. And this is
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  Speaker 3: a long, long, long time coming. He's had such a
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  Speaker 3: great career. He did do well in Buffalo. A nice
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  Speaker 3: little interesting fact about Palafontaine. Played for three teams, never
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  Speaker 3: left the state of New York. Islanders, Buffalo, and then
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  Speaker 3: he played with the Rangers at the end of his career.
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  Speaker 3: So never had to leave the state of New York,
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  Speaker 3: even though he played all those years. But, yeah, that was,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it's been a long time. He should have
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  Speaker 3: been there a long time ago. Some people want his
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  Speaker 3: number to be retired. And, you know, it's always kind
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  Speaker 3: of weird when you see someone else wearing 16. There
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: was one guy who wore 16 that was Ziggy Palfrey.
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  Speaker 3: He originally started at 68 because he looked like Yarmir Yager.
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  Speaker 3: Any of the like the flowing locks and like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: we'll give you 68. And then he turned into 16.
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  Speaker 3: And but there's been some other very weird and they
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  Speaker 3: would give it to like that 16, almost like when
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  Speaker 3: they when they were still having issues. It seemed like
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  Speaker 3: they were trying to insult LaFontaine because they would give
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  Speaker 3: it to some guys like, why is this guy getting it? But, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's it's been about it's it's fine. It's a good
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  Speaker 3: time to do it, to do this. It should have
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  Speaker 3: been done a long time ago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: See, let me give you before I move it along
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  Speaker 2: in the panel here. The thing that's good about it,
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  Speaker 2: because I don't want everybody to have a piece of
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  Speaker 2: this action, Pat LaFontaine is from Waterford, Michigan. He's from
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  Speaker 2: Modern Echo. Jason probably, he knows about it too. His
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: family had a lot of money. Well, that's where I
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  Speaker 2: was going with it.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks, Jason.
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  Speaker 2: So they got a lot of money. Not like they
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  Speaker 2: couldn't finance his ability to go ahead and play the
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  Speaker 2: game of hockey. So more power to them. And we
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  Speaker 2: bought a bunch of vehicles from the LaFontaine fleet as well.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just glad that the Islanders are giving him his due.
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  Speaker 2: That's all I'm going to say. I don't have to
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  Speaker 2: list a debate with you on everything.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's nothing to debate. No, but let me finish.
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  Speaker 2: Before you get me in one, you're just getting me
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  Speaker 2: in one. I don't have to debate with you on everything.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not doing it. This is one time where
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  Speaker 2: I have mutual respect for this guy. And I'll tell
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: you one thing, though. Family has a lot of money,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: and I'm glad that the Islanders are finally giving him
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: his due. Thank you, Cliff. I mean, if you saw
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: how much I topped your ass last night on, what
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: was it, Inside the Pixie Candy? You couldn't even keep
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: up with me last night, Cliff. I would have run
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: you off the train tracks and run over you last
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: night the way I was on fire. All right, turn
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: over the tape.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: On fire. He's an infertile.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: If you don't believe me, just watch that episode. All right,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm going to do? Maybe tonight or
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: tomorrow I'm going to send you that show and you
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: can watch it. How does that sound, brother?
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: That sounds thrilling. I can't wait to see the flames
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: coming out of your nostrils.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: That's what a lot of people have been saying, actually.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: And you'll definitely see it tomorrow. I'll make sure we
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: get there. Straight to me, sis.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Straight to me, sis. And stay on board and keep
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: hanging around and share it with everybody else as well.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jason.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: You know a bit about the LaFontaines.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: He's, you know, the name LaFontaine's been around, LaFontaine Cadillac,
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: all locally. But as far as him getting the recognition here,
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: it's good. It's just, you know, kind of like an
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: analogy of Calvin Johnson in the NFL for Detroit. He
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: left bad. He left on bad terms. Kind of like Barry.
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: He left on bad terms. Bad organization, as Cliff said.
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: It's just they didn't do him right. And it hurts
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: as a fan. I know it hurts. There's a fan
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: like clip and I would have took him out of
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: red wings. He was, you know, Brian Murray at the
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: time was a coach, but you know, and then they
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: traded him off the Buffalo. I remember he used to
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: play these video games and he had a wicked shot,
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: slap shot on the Sabres score one timer goals. But again,
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: this is a long time coming for a very solid
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: professional player who who had some good stats and he
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: had some, a little bit of injuries.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: There at the end of their, this career, but skin concussions.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: And you know, who caused that? Who's caused the beginning
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: of that? The Rangers in the playoffs.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, Rangers in the playoffs.
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: That's when it started. And that's when, this is another
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: reason I can't stand the Rangers. They're fans. He was
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: in the ambulance and the fans were stopping the, and
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: they were shaking it. And you know, it's yeah. I,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: I have a problem with that.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Your problem is you have a problem with the Rangers.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll always have. Well, they didn't help there. They
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: didn't endear themselves very much. The guys hurt.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: You have a problem with the Rangers. Don't give me
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: your nonsense.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I've always had a problem with them.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: John's hearing you for the first time.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: I got a laundry list of crap about them.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I'll bet you do.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: It's not hard to hate them. It's not hard to
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: hate them.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Not in your eyes, it isn't.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: Hey, there's a lot of people who hate them. So
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: not just me. Okay.
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah. Cause you like the Islanders are rivals.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: That has something to do with it, but they do plenty,
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: plenty to keep it going.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Are you having a good time, John, by the way?
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely.
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: My, my biggest disappointment about Pat was he never wore
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: the blue note or the red, white and blue lowercase caps.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: There you go. Blue note. Yeah.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: And well, you know, funny how you say that, John.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Why don't you let everybody know the hockey teams that
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: you do follow? That's a great point.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Well, hey, I went to high school in St.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Louis.
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: It was a Kirkwood star. That's where the Kachuk brothers played.
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: Started by Dean Patrick. It was our club team. So,
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: you know, we had a lot of great players with that.
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: Joined the Navy.
• 22:26
  Speaker 7: They don't play much hockey out in San Diego. But,
• 22:29
  Speaker 7: you know, now that I'm here, you know, especially when
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: the Caps picked up T.J.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Oshie, Capitals 24-7.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'll tell you one thing. You were a
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: big St. Louis Blues fan. They've been a good organization
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: for a lot of years, too.
• 22:42
  Speaker 7: I tell you what, they have worked harder at staying
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: in St. Louis than anybody because they were originally, you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: insurance guys. Stan Solomon owned the team, went bankrupt, sold
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: Ralston Purina, Checkerboard Square, took over the team, changed the
• 23:02
  Speaker 7: arena to the Checkerdome. Well, the new CEO.
• 23:06
  Speaker 7: Decided he didn't want anything to do with sports and
• 23:09
  Speaker 7: almost gave the team away. They were going to be folded,
• 23:13
  Speaker 7: but somehow the team survived. And, you know, it's probably
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: one of the best things about St. Louis, the relationship
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: they have with the baseball Cardinals. I remember going to visit,
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: they have one game. This was after Stan, the man
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: Musial died and the blues all went out to warm up.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: wearing number six museal jerseys with a blue note.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: No kidding. By the way, I'll tell you one thing.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: He had the best announcer ever in NHL history. I
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: think Dan Kelly was iconic there. You ever heard of
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: a guy named Doug Vaughn?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Doug and I actually worked together in South Florida,
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: by the way. Doug's a super nice guy.
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: You might know my old friend, Hacksaw Hamilton. He started
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: off as a WHA. And, you know, he was with
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: Cleveland for years. And, you know, he started the sports
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: talk radio thing out in San Diego back in the 80s.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: No kidding. Wow, that's incredible.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, St.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Louis, I've always thought St. Louis was a great sports town.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I really, really do. And don't get me started then,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: but you've given me ideas. I'll start bringing Cardinals content
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: on with you on board as I get to know
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: you more and more as we go along. Go ahead, Candy.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: Go back to what you were talking about. I mean,
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: refresh me with the topic.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just talking about Pat LaFontaine finally getting his
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: due with the Islanders.
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: Well, kudos for anybody for keeping, you know, keeping with
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: it until you get to the team you want to
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: be on.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: Fair enough.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about NBA because we're going to talk about
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: it from time to time here, especially in the first hour.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: And today I've got an ideal topic to break John in.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: We talk about number one, NBA number one overall picks.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: We're going to go one at a time. And the
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: first one, LeBron James, he's playing from 2000 to present.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: He's probably the only active one because John Wall recently retired.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on LeBron James, John?
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: Well, I remember when he was still a high school
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: player and they brought him in to play at, well,
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: it was then Verizon Center in D.C., they outdrew the
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: wizards that day, you know, basically playing high school basketball
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: and Verizon center. You know, I think he's been an
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: incredible talent. I think he's chasing things a little bit
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: too long. You know, I thought it was a mistake
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: that he left Cleveland to go to the Lakers and God,
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: aren't the Lakers a hot mess right now, but you know,
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: It would have been nice to have seen him gone
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: out on top.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Cliff?
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: He belongs in the Hall of Fame, top 10, sure.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: Not better than Jordan.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: And won't be better than Jordan. Okay, yeah, he got
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: those teams there to the championship. Heck, I mean, he
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: won a championship for Cleveland, the Cleveland Cavaliers. I'll tip
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: my hat to anybody who can do that. But I'm like,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: he's not. he's not better than Jordan. He'll never be
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: better than Jordan. You know, but that's the worst thing.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: That's the worst thing I can really say about the guy.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: That's pretty, that's nobody's better than Jordan. Okay. So yeah,
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: he's in the halls of fame. He's a top 10 player.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: He very rarely does, especially when you talk about a
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: high school kid. I mean, that's the thing that he
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: was able to have that career as a high school kid.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: And then just 20 years, just had a really awesome career.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Most of those high school kids, they don't add up.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Or they might have a decent career, but nothing like
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: what LeBron James did. Nowhere even close. Yeah, I give
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: him his props, and Cleveland got it right in that draft.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: They didn't do that very often. So good for them.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Okay, Jason.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well, him signing with Philadelphia, you're saying when he
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: was in L.A., he was still putting up good stats.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: And a lot of people are back home. You know,
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: Detroit Cleveland is always a huge rivalry. You know, I
• 27:32
  Speaker 6: hate LeBron and everything else, but the numbers don't lie. And,
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, him coming off the bench in Philly, he's
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: probably still going to get the ball a little bit
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: if there's injuries. But number one pick, I was at
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: the 2007 Game 5 Eastern Conference playoff where he just
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: literally went off. He made, like, I think he made
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: like 10 or 12 shots in a row. He was Duncan.
• 28:00
  Speaker 6: We didn't have Ben Wallace at the time, the Pistons.
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: So he literally just put them on the map. And then,
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: you know, like Cliff said, they won championship against the
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: Warriors down 3-1. I think down 3-1 just speaks volumes.
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: So Hall of Famer, definitely not better than Jordan, you know, but,
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: you know, I think he just cemented that by playing
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: his 20 years and, Who knows how long he'll keep playing?
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: He never really said he was retired even after next year.
• 28:31
  Speaker 6: So we haven't heard him say so. And he'll have
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: probably a big retirement thing about that. So definitely as
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: far as the last 20 years, I'd say other than,
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: you know, other than like Kevin Garnett or Kobe Bryant
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: on the number one high school, he's the top guy
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: right now. And he's still putting up numbers. So he's
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: still playing.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Hey, John.
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, well, you know, for me, the best two players,
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: they weren't high school players, but, you know, Kobe was
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: the best probably I saw come out of high school.
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: But for me, you know, the epitome of the NBA
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: was magic and bird.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 29:14
  Speaker 7: I mean, that you could not like basketball and still
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: be captivated by those two.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Well, here's what you also have to understand, and if
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: anybody can relate to it, it's you, John. Okay, tape delay,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you ever heard of it? If it weren't for Magic
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: and Bird, they'd still be on tape.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's true.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I remember many years ago working at a restaurant,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: working until 11 o'clock. I could still get back and
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: watch the NBA game. It just started, and that's how
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: the NBA was. simply broke. All right, Candy.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, King James, he's the NBA's all-time leading scorer, has
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: won four NBA championships from 10 NBA final appearances, including
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: eight consecutive. He's won three Olympic gold medals as a
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: member of the United States national team. He's widely considered
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: to be one of the greatest basketball players of all
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: time and one of the greatest athletes in modern history.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: He also has a record 22-time All-Star and 21-time All-NBA selection,
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: including a record 13 first-team selections. He's made six all-defensive teams.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: He's the oldest active player in the NBA, holds the
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: records for the most seasons played with 23, the most
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: games played, the most minutes played, even though we all
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: talk about load management, the most minutes played, and the
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: most field goals made in league history. And he did it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: He was born and raised in Akron, Ohio.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what I think of LeBron James.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Not as bad as Dave Doran, because that's a classic there.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: But here's what I think of the guy. Number one,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: he's a drama king, okay? That's the only king he is.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: He's a drama king. That's why I had the NDL, right?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Canadian National Drama League. Number two, I don't think, I
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: wouldn't even put him in the top ten best players
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: of all time in the NBA. I really wouldn't. And John,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: if anybody can relate to it, it's probably you, right?
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Think of how many other players came before him. He
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: doesn't even make my top ten list. As far as
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: load management, well, he's a drama king. The only thing
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: I have in common with LeBron James is we're both Capricorn,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: and we're born on the back end of December, and
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: that is that. More players to get to. I'm like
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Capricorn people. I don't mind divulging that.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: King flop.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Huh?
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: King flop.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: All right, let's go to another one here. Number one
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: overall picks, White Howard from 2004 to 2022. What do
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: you know about him, Cliff?
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: Um....
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: Solid career. I guess you've got to consider him a
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: success because he's no LeBron, who is. But he had
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: a good, solid career. He was an all-star, all that.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: I was never all that excited by him. I'm like, yeah, okay,
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: he's good. He's an all-star. If you're that good, great.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Not everybody can do that. Get your props. But he's
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: just another... face, and that's a star. A star came
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: and gone. I mean, there was lots of all-stars over
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: the years. But, I mean, it's hard to, you know,
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: and so you've got to consider it a success. I'm not,
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: it's not Sam Bowie or someone like that, or any
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: guys like that, or was it, I don't think he
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: was the number one, but whatever. Yeah, he was, I
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: guess you can consider him a success, but he was, eh.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: He was just, uh, to me. I was never all
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: that impressed. He was fine.
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: Good. I like that. You can be blunt once in
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: a while. I haven't got to the rant part.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Who knows?
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: There may not even be one worthwhile tonight. I have
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Rob coming in a little bit later.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jason.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Your thoughts about the way out.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: I think the first five years, you know, when he
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: met Stan Van Gundy as his coach, that really helped him.
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: But eventually, you know, they got to the 0-9 finals
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: and they lost L.A., but I think maybe too many
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: years in Orlando and not too much of a supporting
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: cast kind of took a lot of his elite, you know,
• 33:34
  Speaker 6: kind of his crime away from him. He did play
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: for some teams, Houston, LA. I thought he was a
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: good rebounder. He coming in for defensive purposes, shot blocking.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: And I think that really helped him stay in the league. And, but,
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: as far as like that stardom and that prime era,
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: I think it was, I guess, I guess it was
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: sort of kind of wasted in Orlando. They just never
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: had too much of a team to build around him. And,
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: and then ultimately it just kind of didn't work out,
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: but I thought maybe Stan was a good coach for
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: him starting out. Um, uh, but definitely, uh, a solid career. Um,
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure as far as like top 10 for
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: me or top 20 even.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: But he had a solid career. But he was versatile
• 34:34
  Speaker 6: towards the end of his career there defensively. So he
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: was helping teams win. So I think that helped his
• 34:41
  Speaker 6: career last longer. But as far as the prime area,
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: I think it was more with Orlando and they kind
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: of lost it, lost that.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Well, let me add to this. That's a great point.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: You really led to something I'll turn over to John
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: in a moment. Number one, Dwight Howard forgot that you
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: have to win four games to win a series and
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: not three because the Pistons were down three to one.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: And Rick Carlisle behind Tayshaun Prince and the rest of
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: them came back to win that series. And he did
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: not win that series. Shame on you. Shame on you, Dwight.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Four games, not three to win a series. And Rick
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Carlisle won a championship. Dwight Howard, well, you know what?
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: He had a good career. I don't know if I
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: would go ahead and put him in the Hall of Fame,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: but that's my opinion. I'll turn it over to John.
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Dwight was never really on my radar. You know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: he wasn't somebody I followed.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:29
  Speaker 7: You know, frankly, after Shaq left the Magic, you know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: they were kind of an afterthought.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:36
  Speaker 7: You know, I've just never been, you know, never really
• 35:41
  Speaker 7: followed them. You know, of course, you know, where I live,
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: where I have lived.
• 35:46
  Speaker 7: You know, well, you had Magic and Kareem up in L.A.
• 35:51
  Speaker 7: You had whatever mess that the Clippers were. And then
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: in D.C., you know, nobody really, the only famous player
• 36:00
  Speaker 7: that we really had was we had Michael Jordan come
• 36:03
  Speaker 7: out of retirement to play a few games.
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: And that was, you know, that was a little difficult.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, Candy.
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: Dwight, where do you start? Oh, my goodness.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Well, don't overstart. We have another six names to go,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: but you can start good enough to get where you
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: need to get out. And if you have a lot,
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: don't make any difference.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: Go ahead. He has 19,485 career points.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Good.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: He played for the Magic Lakers Rockets, Hawks, Hornets, Wizards, Lakers, 76ers.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: unusual things that I found out about him. He has
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: five children, three sons, two daughters, each with different mothers.
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: He keeps approximately 20 snakes as pets and has appeared
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: twice on Animal Planet's reality TV series Tank. He owns
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: a farm in North Georgia where he relaxes with cows, hogs,
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: turkeys and deer and also grows vegetables on his estate
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: uh he has been married or he became engaged to
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: wmba's basketball player tea cooper uh they parted ways they
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: never got married then he announced his engagement to rapper
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: and reality tv personality amy luciana luciani The couple married
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: in a private ceremony in January of 2025. In July
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: of 2025, she filed for divorce. Yeah, that would be Mr.
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: Dwight Howard.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: So he goes in the hall very good. We'll leave
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: it at that. And Candy's all too familiar with this guy.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I actually liked him. Andrew Bogan, who played from 2005-19.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: I actually go to him, and I just like Andrew
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Bogan's work ethic and what he stands for. He's a tall...
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: player that obviously did what he had to do in
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: the rebounding. He was a good shooter. I'll leave it
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: at that. Go ahead, Cliff.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I'm not impressed by him at all. I mean, that's
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: your first-round pick, overall pick.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, come on.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: You need more than that. A lot of guys, you
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: don't need to– when you get your first-round draft pick, oh,
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: he rebounds real well. When you take someone first overall,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: you're not– if that's one-dimensional, oh, he rebounds. You can
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: get that from anywhere. You can get the, yeah, they
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: only have two rounds now, but you can get that
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: from anywhere. Um, and it, that, that's, that's a failure
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: of a draft pick. That's definitely a failure for a
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: draft pick. I'm like, uh, he was, oh, that was,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: that was a nightmare. That's just an absolute nightmare.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: Andrew Berger.
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you thinking? You have all your
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: first pick in the draft and that's what you go
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: with of all the people you go with. I don't
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: know what the draft was like that year. Um, Maybe
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: Candy can find out who else was in that because
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: that would probably be the bigger story of if there
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: was someone actually decent that was drafted afterwards because that's
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: always fun when you find out someone who they drafted. And, oh,
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: they could have had this person or this person and
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: this person. And, um yeah so and then that of
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: course drives the that team's fans absolutely bonkers it's like
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: oh what are you doing what are you doing what
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: are you doing i'm an islanders fan so i know
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: all about that.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Okay okay jason's thoughts about mr bogut.
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: Um what year was that 2000 5 to 19 5
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: to 19 oh Well, you know what the 0-3 draft was.
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: I'll talk about that in a second. Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee Bucks.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: Here's the thing. He was serviceable, but never great. And
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: when you come out like that, your number one pick,
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: like Kawami Brown, for instance, they did not, they weren't
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: a scorer. You know, like they're not scoring like, hey,
• 40:10
  Speaker 6: was this guy got a fadeaway jump shot like Olajuwon
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: or you know, a lot of these guys, they just don't,
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: they don't live up to the draft pick. So I'd
• 40:21
  Speaker 6: like to see the percentages of how many of these
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: players at NBA have lived up to that because for Bogut,
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: for instance, he was serviceable, went to Golden State and
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: that was it, but probably could have done better there
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: in Milwaukee.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Fair enough.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: John.
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, another guy that was just never on my radar. Just,
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: you know, full disclosure, you know, I haven't really followed
• 40:50
  Speaker 7: the NBA since, you know, Magic and Magic was on
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: the Lakers. You know, just not something that ever appealed
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: to me. You know, of course, I lived in San
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: Diego for a good part of my life. You know,
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: the Clippers left and, you know, we forgot about the NBA.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Well, that makes sense. Okay, I'll give you that. Katie,
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: you know more about this guy than anybody. I'll let
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: you leave. End it on this note. We've got five
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: more players I want to get to. Maraska should be
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: on in about 10 minutes or so.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: So this was the final NBA draft where players were
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: eligible to enter straight out of high school before the
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: league instituted an age limit rule requiring players to be
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: 19 and one year removed from high school. The total selections,
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: there were 60 players drafted across two rounds. The first pick, obviously,
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: the Bucs picked Andrew Bogut. Second pick, Atlanta Hawks picked
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: Marvin Williams. Third pick, Utah Jazz, Deron Williams. The fourth pick,
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: New Orleans Hornet, Chris Paul. Number five, Charlotte Bobcats, Raymond Felton.
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: And then notable later in second round steals, Andrew Bynum.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Tenth overall by the Lakers. Danny Granger was taking... 17th
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: by the Pacers. David Lee, 30th by the New York Knicks.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: Monta Ellis, 40th Golden State Warriors. Lou Williams, 45th with
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: the 76ers. And Marcin Gortat with the Suns, the 57th pick.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: Andrew Bogut, his mystique was he was 7 feet. He
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: was tall. He could shoot thumb and Was he a
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: great pick? No. But he had success. I mean, he
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: stayed in the league a long time. So you don't
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: stay in the league if you don't have any good qualities.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: It's just because he was seven feet. That probably helped
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: him out. Chris Paul seemed to be the only one
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: worth drafting out of everybody there. Sometimes they just have
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: bad years. Not every year is a bumper crop.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: So, Cliff, you made two interesting points. I'm complimenting you,
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: not blasting you this time.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, I appreciate it.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: No, no, it does happen. Don't get used to it
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: because it's not what we're about here. But the reality
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: of the situation is this. Number one, that draft doesn't
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: look like it was that great a draft anyway. And, yes,
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: you're right. Seven-footers do have a little bit more leeway
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: than most other positions as well. I only have five
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: more players I want to get to. I have a
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: lot of good baseball stuff. I know John likes to
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: talk baseball. He told me that on the phone, and
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: he was very– forthright about it.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Don't worry.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: We've got some baseball along the way. So we don't
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: have to spend a lot of time on these next
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: ones unless they really truly stand out. We'll call this
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: a rapid fire for the back end of this topic.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Fair enough. Andrea, Bargnani, went to the Raptors, not 2006, 2016. Cliff,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: just give me your best recollections. You don't have to
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: go into detail. One of just.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Nothing. Nothing special about that guy. One of a billion
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: people that no one cared about.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Okay, good enough. Okay, Jason?
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: I think he was a small forward. He could shoot three-pointers. Bariani,
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: was he on the Knicks, I think, for a little bit?
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: Yes. Knicks and that.
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Knicks and that. Just a flash in the pan
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: kind of. It just didn't work out too long, and
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: before we know it, it was... is a forgotten name,
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: but I appreciate these names. I, I remember these, but
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: just a forgotten name, but yeah, I think it's just
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: one of those type of players who can shoot and
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: they can't really do much else.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: They're not as far as defense.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, John.
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah. You know, no input, you know, again, not on
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: my radar.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: No problem. That's good enough. Not on your radar. Let
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: me know. We keep moving the show along. Candy?
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: He was born in Rome, Italy. He is another one
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: of those seven-foot forward centers. And he was drafted first
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: overall in the 2006 NBA draft by the Raptors. He
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: spent 10 seasons in the NBA before he ended his
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: career with a stint in Spain.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Very good. Four more to go. This next one is really, really,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: really easy. Greg Oden, 2007-14. I'll lead off with this one.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Just a very bad situation where this guy had all
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: the potential in the world out of Ohio State. Injuries
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: kept him off the floor. I have nothing more to
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: add to it. It's just an unfortunate situation. This seventh
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: footer didn't realize his full potential due to injuries. Go ahead.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just the story's been told a million times before.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: All this potential... can't handle the first round overall pick.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: You've seen it before. We'll see it again. You know, it's,
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: he'll just, he's that just one of a billion names
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: that will be in the annals of history.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: There you go. Jason. Yeah.
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: So Scott said, you know, had the injury problems. I
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: think the first year he had blown the ACL and
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: then the second year he came out and blow another ACL.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: It might've been the, it might've.
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: Been his left and right leg. I, if I'm not mistaken,
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: but just a great talent out of Ohio State and
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: just unfortunate injuries.
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: And it happens.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: It happens.
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: I mean, just 25%, I would say probably even more
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: than that, have injury problems and they don't last over
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: five years. Just a tough one, but I give him
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: a little credit. He did try to keep going there,
• 46:55
  Speaker 6: but at the same time, he just didn't live it
• 46:57
  Speaker 6: up to it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: That's okay. John.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: An ACL.
• 47:02
  Speaker 7: And I speak from experience. Uh, that's a hard thing
• 47:07
  Speaker 7: to come back from. Uh, you know, you know, back
• 47:10
  Speaker 7: in the day I did that, uh, tore mine in
• 47:13
  Speaker 7: the Dubai sevens in 1992 and, uh, playing.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Off my ship.
• 47:18
  Speaker 7: I wandered back, I scrambled on the flight deck and,
• 47:22
  Speaker 7: you know, for the rest of the deployment, you know,
• 47:24
  Speaker 7: cause I didn't want to admit that I was hurt, but, uh,
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: I couldn't play rugby again after that, so it took
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: a while to recover.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: See, this old thing has Sam Bowie written all over it.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Another big center. He went for need, and all of
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: a sudden he didn't fulfill his potential to injuries, and
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: that was big players. Go ahead, Candy.
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: I think it's very interesting, Scott, that you have listed
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: the first pick in the 2005, 2006, and 2007 drafts,
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: and they were all seven-foot centers. Now, I will say...
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: about odin he actually had surgery on his right wrist
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: in indianapolis to repair a ligament injury that occurred late
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: in his senior high school season and he had that
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: in 2006 during when he was in college he got
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: drafted in 2007 he underwent a micro fracture surgery of
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: the knee in 2007 and missed So he literally only
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: has 840 points in the NBA.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, again, it was sad. Three more players to get to.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Rob can listen in. We're just going to get to
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: the segment if you want to. He can come in
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: and listen in, and then we'll refer to him on
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: the other topics. But the other three players, real quick,
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Derek Rose, a guy that, once again, Chicago had high
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: hopes for him to do some great things. Unfortunately, injuries
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: derailed his career. But I think he had a solid career,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: and I'll leave it at that. Solid. It could have
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: been better. Injuries, once again, held him back. Go ahead, Cliff.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right on that. What he did, they
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: did expect him to be this big, massive new superstar.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Never turned out that way. He had some injuries. He
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: was lucky. He was actually lucky to have the career
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: he did have, and he should be grateful for that.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: He had a little bit of success, just not that
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: legendary superstar status.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jason.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: I think just because of the playoffs... I mean, I
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: think he had the injury in the playoffs that really
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: just derailed. I think it was like 11 or 12
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: there the year for Chicago. But he kind of put
• 49:29
  Speaker 6: Chicago back on the map. I mean, superstar mode, just
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: a great player. He was a great driver to the hoop.
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: He could play, and he had some guys like Luau
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: Dang and who could shoot, and a little bit of
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: a supporting cast would have helped him. But when he
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: did come back, he was serviceable. Minnesota, Detroit, I think Memphis.
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: So just not a great, great career probably because of
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: the injuries in the playoffs, but solid career. And I
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: give him a lot of credit for coming back, especially at,
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: at that type of injury and, um, uh, definitely a
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: solid player. John.
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:18
  Speaker 7: You know, you kind of feel for players that have
• 50:20
  Speaker 7: to come in and replace legends. I mean, you know,
• 50:23
  Speaker 7: the teams that the bulls had, you know, with, you know,
• 50:27
  Speaker 7: Jordan and all the players that they had, um, That
• 50:32
  Speaker 7: casts a big shadow, and trying to live up to that,
• 50:36
  Speaker 7: you sometimes push your body to places where it really
• 50:40
  Speaker 7: can't go. I can understand getting hurt trying to live
• 50:44
  Speaker 7: up to the legacy of the people you're replacing.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: That's good. Okay, Candy?
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: One of the things let's not forget, he played for
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: how many years? He was also the cover athlete for
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: NBA 2K13. alongside fellow NBA players Kevin Durant and Blake Griffin.
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: The reason why I'm mentioning this is because in 2008,
• 51:09
  Speaker 5: he signed a shoe deal with Adidas for $ 1 million
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: per year. In 2011, it was estimated that he earned $ 1. 5
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: to $ 2. 5 million annually just in endorsements, ranking him just
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: outside the top 10 NBA players in that category. And
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: in 2012, it was reported that he signed a contract
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: extension with Adidas worth $ 185 million over 14 years just
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: for endorsements. That's not even like his career playing. I mean,
• 51:47
  Speaker 5: he had 12,573 points. So not bad, but look at
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: how much he made just in endorsements.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: That shows you the hype machine.
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Such change.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, there you go.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Cha-ching.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: More power to him if he was able to make
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: that money with a career that was limited by injuries.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: Only two more players to go, and we'll play off
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: what you said. Blake Griffin was one of them, 2009
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: to 2023. John ought to be familiar with Blake Griffin, right?
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Somewhat.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So what's your lead off of this?
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: You know, what can we say?
• 52:20
  Speaker 7: You know, he had the misfortune of having to play
• 52:25
  Speaker 7: under some shadows.
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he did.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: Anything else you want to add to it?
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: We're good.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry. We got one more topic. Don't worry.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: It gets more interesting. You're a trooper and you're doing
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: a heck of a job, so it's okay. Go ahead, Cliff.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually liked him. I thought he was going
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: to be a little bit better than he wound up being, but,
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: you know, and he was okay.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: He was all right.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: He was, you know. But not the, once again, they're
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: expecting massive, massive things. He had some success. I can't
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: say he was, he was not a total bust. But,
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, any person who can play in the NBA
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: for that long, have some success. But, you know, once again,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: another one who was just not the big monster superstar.
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: Because everybody's always looking for that next new star on
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: that team. That might have had something to do with
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: him not getting there because you get expectations put upon you,
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: and you try and try, and it just doesn't work out,
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: and not everybody can deal with that.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jason.
• 53:33
  Speaker 6: I believe he was a standout of Oklahoma, and the
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: first time I ever seen him, I was like, he's flashy, dunker,
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: just crazy. And then we ended up going to the Clippers,
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: which– Unfortunately, the organization just, well, you know, he was
• 53:51
  Speaker 6: with Chris Paul at Lob City. You know, they would
• 53:54
  Speaker 6: get to the playoffs and then, you know, they'd be
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: out in the second round. So it's just one of
• 53:58
  Speaker 6: those things where when you're with an organization who's not
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: committed to winning, that's just kind of how it went
• 54:07
  Speaker 6: for him. And then he ended up with Detroit and
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: he had played all 81 games, I think, or 82 games,
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: I think, that first year with us, and he brought
• 54:20
  Speaker 6: us to an AC 41-41. He literally did it all.
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: And we didn't have enough supporting cast. I'm like, this
• 54:28
  Speaker 6: guy is not going to be able to do it.
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: So I give him a lot of credit for just
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: being on some just bad teams. And if he was
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: on a good team, he probably would have won at
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: least one championship. But definitely one of my top hundreds.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Candy, if you have the final word, then we're going
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: to go to John Wall. We bring Rob in at
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: that moment, so hang in there, Rob. Okay, one more player.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: And Candy, a final word on Blake.
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: So Blake was actually from Oklahoma City. One of the
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: things that I thought was different, and, I mean, yes,
• 55:02
  Speaker 5: he had a good career. One of the things that
• 55:05
  Speaker 5: he did is in 2010 he started a fundraiser called
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: Dunking for Dollars. in which he donated $ 100 to fight
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: childhood obesity for every dunk he made during the season.
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: The other thing is, and I don't know if you
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: knew this, Scott, in March 13th of 2020, Griffin pledged
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: to give $ 100, 000 to the staff of the Little Caesars
• 55:31
  Speaker 5: Arena who were unable to work during the suspension of
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: the 2019-2020 season because the 2020 season Corona virus pandemic.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: So just a little side note for him.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a great side note. Again, he had a
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: pretty good career. Obviously, the Clippers were relevant when he
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: was there. Pistons, he had a pretty good job, solid job.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: And Sam Van Gundy, all I can say is he
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: was always wanting to train everybody that he could, and
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: that is that. And I'm glad that he's doing some
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: TV work now as well because it just shows you
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: he's marketable off the court. Last name that we're going
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: to talk about, and I know John's ready to get
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: to the meat and potatoes. He's doing a whale of
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: a job at first back. We're going to go to
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: John Wall. All I'll say about John Wall is I
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: lead this thing off, made a lot of money, didn't
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: have a bad career, but he sat for a lot
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: of time and still made a lot of money wherever
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: he went. If I were going to put him anywhere,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: he'll hold up very good. With that said, John Wall,
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: you know, he was one of the latest to retire
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: of these picks that I ended up talking about. Give
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: me your brief thoughts on John Wall, Cliff.
• 56:36
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Once again, we're just getting the bunch of guys that
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: you should have been big, massive superstars, had solid careers, but,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: you know, didn't, I don't know, did he really earn
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: the money? But then he made, I don't know. But
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: it's not me to make that call. Not one of
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: my favorite players. Never really impressed by him. Big expectations.
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: Lackluster.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Results in comparison to the expectations.
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: I'll roll with you there. I think he underachieved for
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: the amount of money that he made, and I'll leave
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: it at that. Go ahead, Jason.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
• 57:21
  Speaker 6: Washington had him. I think he was traded to Houston,
• 57:24
  Speaker 6: I believe.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Could be wrong.
• 57:28
  Speaker 6: When he was in the game, I have watched him
• 57:34
  Speaker 6: just a He made some plays. It's just he just
• 57:38
  Speaker 6: could not stay on the court. And whatever, you know,
• 57:44
  Speaker 6: I think that one major injury, I don't know if
• 57:47
  Speaker 6: it was an Achilles heel. I know Brandon Jennings had that.
• 57:50
  Speaker 6: But after that, it was just basically you hear that, oh,
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: John Wall, John Wall, is he coming back? I actually
• 58:00
  Speaker 6: bought a pair of his shoes last. whenever he was
• 58:02
  Speaker 6: still playing, but because I thought they were comfortable, but
• 58:05
  Speaker 6: they were. And, but, and he just is, he was
• 58:08
  Speaker 6: just one of those players where, you know, it just
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: didn't pan out for him. Okay.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, John. Yeah.
• 58:16
  Speaker 7: You know, you know, we have nothing. I never got
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: to see him play. Uh, every time I would turn
• 58:21
  Speaker 7: into a game that he was supposed to be in, uh,
• 58:24
  Speaker 7: he wasn't there.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: There you go. Well, man, if they call it, you
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: want to stop. I hear you.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: All right, go ahead.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: Candy.
• 58:33
  Speaker 5: He's from Raleigh, North Carolina. He played for three teams,
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: the Wizards, the Rockets, the Clippers. The interesting thing about
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: him is that he signed a five-year endorsement deal worth
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: $ 25 million with Reebok in 2010, then moved to Reebok's
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: parent company, Adidas, in 2013. He signed another five-year deal
• 58:55
  Speaker 5: with Adidas in 2018. In 2016, he received the Stuart B.
• 59:03
  Speaker 5: McKinney Award for his work to end homelessness after he
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: donated $ 400, 000 to Brighton. The thing that I thought was
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: also interesting, on April 30th of 2026, he was hired
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: to serve as the president of baseball operations at Howard University.
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: I thought that was interesting.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: Well, John Wald, as I said earlier, He had a
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: lot of money, more power to him. He retired, knew
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: when he had to retire. He didn't play as many
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: games as he should have for the amount of capital
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: he got. That's why the NBA is so unpopular. That's
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: why people like John are so smart. They don't pay
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: attention to it. Although some of the most recent retirements
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: I may have on another show might change John a
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: little bit every once in a while, but not a lot.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: All right, with that said, let's bring Rob into the program. Rob,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: thanks for patiently waiting for us. And I'll tell you what,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: we're going to– We're going to talk about one of
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: my friends here that I had an opportunity to work with.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: And that's one way to get them on. Rob, I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: want to introduce you to John Hopkins, no relation to
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: the hospital. Johnny's one of my buddies on Facebook. And
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: when I saw how passionate he was about things, I said,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: this guy got, he's, he's made for our network and
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: I'm glad he's on here tonight. And Johnny's going to
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: be on Wednesday night. And he's also going to be
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: on Thursday as well. Different groups, different themes and a
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: whole lot of stuff.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Well, John, This is one of my favorite things I
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: really do like to talk about. Dennis Rodman admits he
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: wishes he was on social media and teams he existed
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: in his day-to-day. I think Chuck Daly is glad he
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: wasn't because he was a heck of a player. I'll
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: get to that. He basically says I'd be a billionaire
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: by now. I wouldn't put it past him. He probably would. So, Cliff,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: give me your thoughts about my friend, Dennis Rodman.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Um, your buddy there. Oh yeah. If they, he was, yeah,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: he was, he was internet and then social media before
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: there was social media. He kind of had his own
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: social media without the social media. We didn't have the
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: social media, but he found a way to get the
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: cameras on him.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: I'm like, remember when he tried to marry himself, that
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: was interesting. Oh, like, so he has the mind, his
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: brilliant mind for getting that. And, uh, yeah, it's, he just,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: the technology just didn't exist and he's absolutely correct. He
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: would have, um, raked in the cash because he has
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: that mindset of look at me, you know, between, you know,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: all the tattoos and the piercings and then the green
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: hair when he was in green and red hair and
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: all those things. And yeah, he was, he's always, he's
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: just one of those unique personalities and he would have
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: been like influencer. Oh my gosh. I can just imagine
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: if like he was active now, he was young now
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: and did all this stuff. They'd be eating it up.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: They'd be eating all that stuff up. Yeah, he did
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 3: some politically incorrect things. You'd probably get people pissed off
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: at him too. But you would know him. He would
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: have his brand. He'd be raking in the money because
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: with the algorithms and all that stuff, there's no doubt
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: he would be a social media superstar, influencer, Oh, my heck,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: he would probably be a billionaire.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: All right, let me go over the story real quick, okay?
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: This is when the NBA does get interesting, John, because
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: I know it was hard for you to hang in there.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: I didn't give you the Diet Mountain Dew to prepare
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: for that last segment. I get it. But I covered
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: the Pistons during the Bad Boys.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: They were fun to watch.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: Weren't they? I have a floor in my house, people,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: of the court. Court, one of the PR guys, gave
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: it to me. It was really unbelievable stuff. And Dennis
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: Rodman and I bumped into each other one time over
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: in the bowling alley, and he saw that I had
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: a really unusual form. And I had to admit, though,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: I did win a trophy many years ago for most
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: unusual form, so it wasn't all wrong. And he didn't
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: mind telling me about it. But, yeah, we were great
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: friends in the locker room. He gave me whatever I want.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: I got another story that follows up with it. So anyways,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: he says, man, hey, Dennis, you want to bowl a game?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: So he sees me bowling that. I did have a
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: crazy form. I have to admit. My form is as
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: bad as Charles Barkley's golf swing. That's how bad it was.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: So Dennis let me know about it. You won the
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: first game. I said, I'll tell you what, Dennis. Double
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: or nothing.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: If I win, you have to pay for both games.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: But I can tell you, if my form is bad,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: your free throw shooting is nothing to laugh about either.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: And I told him that. But you know what? We
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: hugged because we always kid. He's one of those kinds
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: of guys, if you know him, you can hug. And
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: he don't mind it because at that point, you build
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: a relationship, right? You know what I mean? So I
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: beat him, and he had to pay for both games. Now, okay,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: here's another story. At the Boston Garden, this is playing
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics back in the day. That's when I
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: had a busted-up ankle back in 1989, 90. And I
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: go inside the Pistons locker room at the Boston Garden,
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: mind you, with a torn ankle, and Bill Lambert opens
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: his big mouth. I mean, I better write these things down, man.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: And Bill Lambert is always trying to get in my way.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: He said, Bill, let me tell you something, pal. Just
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: because you can afford your car payment doesn't mean I
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 2: can afford mine. And you know these guys get paid
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: a little bit of money, right?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: So Dennis said, Bill, shut the you-know-what up. Get out
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: of here. This man's trying to do his job. So
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: Bill looks at him. Okay, I'll leave. And Dennis and
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: I did our thing. And the Boston Garden people. Bill
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: and beer. I don't like the guy. All right, Jason,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: take it from there.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: They're great stories, Scott. I appreciate that.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: They were on the business for 47 years. You better
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: pick up a story or two.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely. Like Cliff was saying, he, he would be like,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 6: it would be Insta Rodman if it was Instagram. You know,
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 6: he literally, he, he literally, he would go out and party.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 6: Even when he was on the bowls, he would stay
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 6: out till four or five o'clock in the morning. And,
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: you know, with Steve Kerr and them and Steve Kerr
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 6: said they couldn't even make curfew. He was there shooting.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: He'd be out all night drinking. And then they, he,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 6: he playing a game. Like he, like he was never
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 6: affected him, just never affected him. You just knew he
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 6: knew the projectories of how the ball was, but, and
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 6: how people shot. But like I said, he, he even,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 6: there's a funny story I seen on online with Howard
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: Stern and he had cameras on, he had cameras inside
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: the house and he said, well, call him at five
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 6: Well, I'm sleeping right now, but I got a party
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: going downstairs. He goes, no, you're not. You're on TV.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 6: He goes, oh, forgot I got the cameras going. So just,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: you know, that's Dennis for you. You know, went from
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: the blonde hair from the Pistons. I hated the fact
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 6: that he went to Chicago, but he ended up winning
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 6: three championships there. I always thought they were traitors, but
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 6: technically the business side of it. But Yeah, just a
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: funny guy. He loved Chuck Daly. He had a big heart.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 6: He still has a big heart. That's why Scott said
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: he's got a big heart. He came from Oklahoma, southeast
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: Oklahoma State. Just a guy that I can always appreciate
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: as a player, as a person, and I know Scott
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: feels the same way. You met him, and I love
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: him a lot. He's definitely... Great player, great person. But
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 6: as far as this Instagram and all that, he loves it.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 6: He was all about it.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: Well, again, Chuck Daly, once he left the Pistons, he
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: went haywire. But Chuck Daly was a father figure. That's
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: a few people don't know about Chuck Daly and Dennis Rodman.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: That's why he played it straight and was a great player.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: That's what got him in Hall of Fame. But two titles,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: you won with the Pistons and three won with the Bulls.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: This guy's a heck of a rebounder. He didn't care
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: about scoring. He got other people to do that. but
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Chuck Daly made him a team player. When you lose
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: a father figure, it does a lot.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, Rob. You know, my.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 8: Favorite Dennis Rodman story is he was married to Carmen
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 8: Electra and he cheated on her and she caught him when,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 8: you know, she caught him in bed with someone. And
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 8: all he said was, she said, what's going on here?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: And he said, I don't know. She fell out of
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 8: the ceiling.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: And then that was it.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: That's what he said.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 8: So he's just, you know, he's Dennis Rodman. And he's
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 8: also big in North Korea.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know about that. Yeah, he's one of
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: the few that is. Rob, if I ever brought you
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: on that Wednesday show, I talk a lot about North Korea.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think, Rob, I've learned to try to mentor
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: you from thinking outside the box with you and Candy
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: with the travel show. But I got news for you.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: I won't over-mentor you and put you on that Wednesday show.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: That's what I don't, I think you might struggle with there.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: That's not to say anything against your ability, but people
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: that go on there are insane. And that's why I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: do it. And the people that go on there love
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: it and they grow on you. It just takes a
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: little while. John, if you ever get the opportunity to
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: come on there, you'll understand right now. My focus is
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: making you good on this show and the one tomorrow. Yeah.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: Rob beat me on the uh north korea.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 7: Angle oh my god yeah you know i mean if
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 7: he could charm that guy i don't think he's real
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 7: popular in south korea but you know he's probably gonna
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 7: run for president or office in north.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: Korea yeah he'd probably win i wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: he's a successor to that man it's great stuff anything
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: else you want to add about my bad boy dennis
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: We're good.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: I know we are.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: We're doing good. This guy's unbelievable, Rob, our first deck.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: And believe it or not, Lucas Nelson could join us tonight.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: He'll be back with us next week. Candy, some thoughts
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: about my friend Rodman.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: Oh, my goodness. He's kind of electric out there. I mean,
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: let's face it. Think about this. Had they had social
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: media back in the day, he repeatedly dyed his hair.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: many piercings, tattoos. He famously wore a wedding dress to
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: promote his 1996 autobiography, Bad As I Wanna Be. He
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: also attracted international attention with his visits to North Korea.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: He appeared.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: He actually was... member of the NWO and fought alongside
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 5: Hulk Hogan in a main event, if you remember that.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: Rodman was the first ever winner of the Celebrity Championship
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: Wrestling Tournament. He had his own TV show, the Rodman
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: World Tour. He actually appeared in several reality TV series
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: and was the winner of the $ 222, 000 main prize of
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: the 2004 Celebrity Edition of Celebrity Mole. He has had
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: in 1996 he had his own MTV reality talk show
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: called the Rodman World Tour. He has appeared with the
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: rock band Pearl Jam. He's done so many different things
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: if you think about it. He made his A film
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: debut alongside Jean-Claude Van Damme and Mickey Root in Double Team.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: He was the first man to pose naked for PETA's
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: advertisement campaign, Rather Go Naked Than Wear Fur. Rodman became
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: the commissioner of, we talked about this last night, Scott,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: The Lingerie Football League back in 2005. I mean, the
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 5: list can go on. He made an appearance on Third
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 5: Rock from the Sun. He was on a version of
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: himself in The Simpsons. I mean, I could go on
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: and on. Like, he just had... He was.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Let me.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: How do I put this? He was his own man
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  Speaker 5: and you knew... who he was, and he was not
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: quiet or shy, although they said he was shy back
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: in the day.
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  Speaker 2: I remember he was shy, but he came to my
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: defense a few times. I'm good. I take the normal
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: side of Rodman, and he was great with me. Again,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: what people don't understand, and this is going to lead
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: to another topic, by the way, because there is a
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: segue coming up, is this. To succeed in our business,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: and Cliff, you might understand that, and John, you can
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: probably understand that, for reporters to exist or sports media
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: guys who exist, it's all about relationship building. You better
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: have a decent relationship with the PR people. If you
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: have a good player or like Ernie Harwell, for example,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: with me, I asked him questions as I got to
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: know him that he wouldn't even answer questions with anybody
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: he didn't know. It's about trust. And as long as
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: they people know you're going to do the right thing,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: they'll talk to you and they will open up to you.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: But yeah, Dennis was normal back then. Great player. They
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: called him the worm. He can rebound. He's a 6'9
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: guy that played like 7'2. And he didn't care about
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: scoring any others up. He's a guy who was a worker.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: He was in the right place. And joining the Bulls
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: just only cemented his career. But even Michael Jordan will
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: tell you, without Dennis, he doesn't have those three extra rings.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: Because Dennis did the dirty work. All right, with that said,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: I'm going to segue to our next topic. Has everybody
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: spoken about this? All right, well, this is something I
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: really don't like, but I have to report on it.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: And that's this, okay? This is called false reporting, getting clicks,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: and this is outright stupid. Okay. It was also reported
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: and appeared on social media for a short time that
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Miguel Rojas was suspended when it was actually Phillies' Johan
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Rojas that was popped by the league for an 80-game
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: PED suspension. The Athletics' Evan Drellick took down the ex-post
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: about Dodgers' World Series hero and clarified that it was,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: in fact, Johan, 37-year-old Miguel, is going to... He said
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: it would be his final major league season. And this
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: is what he said. So as far as I'm concerned,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: this is outright stupid. It really is. And as far
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: as Evan Drellick, I don't know much about Evan Drellick.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: I really don't. But again, he got it down relatively quickly.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: But Johan Rojas and Miguel Rojas are two different players.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: And McGee is too classy to ever sue him. but
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: that was a bad reporting. Some thoughts, Cliff, you teach
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: this stuff in college.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's, that's, that's beyond ridiculous. I mean, it's, it's
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: not that hard. It's really not that hard, but that's,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 3: that's part of the problem of the industry. Everyone's like
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: trying to, I think it's more of a getting it
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: in first or fast or breaking the story as opposed
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: to getting it right. And it's important to get it
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: right because now in this case, You're slandering another human being.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: It wasn't him at all. You can't do that. How
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 3: much other garbage, how much of a reaction came down
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: upon him for that? He's lucky. They're lucky that he
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: didn't get sued. You're lucky that Miguel Rojas was a
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 3: decent human being. He could have really stuck it to him.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 3: But that's just, and we're having problems. It's hard enough
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 3: to be a journalist, but you got to do it right.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: And we're having enough, we're having enough issues in general
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: with journalism and credibility. And, but that's, that's the world
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 3: we live in now. It's, there's a lot of different
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 3: reasons for it. But now it's, it's with, with, well, oh,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: getting content, getting stuff out there, get, you know, getting clicks,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: getting all that stuff. And that's, I keep talking to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: that about with my students constantly.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: It's you know, you have to get it right. You
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: absolutely have to get it right. And with. Yeah, we
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: have all this technology now. We have things on our
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: phones all the time. And that's been the problem. You know,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: it's the rules. It doesn't matter what technology is. The
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: rules have to stay the same because the consequences are
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: dire if you don't get it right. You know, this
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: that's the big thing. And it's it's it's a bigger
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: it's a you know, that's just one story of many
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: others that keep popping up. And I feel bad for
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: him because that's that's a really bad mistake. Yeah, it
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: wasn't that it wasn't that hard. It's not that hard
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: to really check up on that stuff. And that's just
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: when you're that when you're that kind of high profile outlet,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 3: you this shouldn't even be a question of getting that
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: getting that wrong. There's no way, you know, you've got
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: that name, you've earned that name. There's no excuse for that.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: And you know what? In my book, Lessons from the Microphone,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: I know, John, you've heard of him. I know a
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: lot of people have. Frank Reynolds, remember him?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, yeah.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in my book. John, I don't know if
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: you had a chance to get it yet. I'm sure
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: at some point you'll get it.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: It's on the way.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, is it?
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Cool. Thank you. Anyways, I have a piece in there
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: about Frank Reynolds in there that explains exactly what this is.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: So I just, this makes me sick. I mean, you
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: thought what I did, a lot of people that know me,
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: Not what I did last night was crazy. That's fine.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: I won't go ballistic tonight about this, but this is
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: what I put in my book. I don't want to
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: get it first, get it right. And that's exactly what
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Frank Reynolds did. And that's exactly what this guy didn't do.
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: All right. And you know what? I'm going to go
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: from Cliff over to John since I transitioned. What are
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: your thoughts about this type of journalism?
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 7: You know, that's what's really hard because the industry is
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 7: so focused upon Clicks, getting the personality, you know, being first.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: You know, I remember, you know, when I.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 7: Was doing a little tour in Afghanistan, we had Geraldo
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 7: come by. And let me tell you, the Marine pilots,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 7: we had a legal defense fund set up for whatever
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 7: crew pickled Geraldo.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: Really yeah i was working i was working at fox
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: news when he did that he's like oh we're over
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: here now and they're like what's he doing what are
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: you doing we're out there i'm like he's showing their
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: location what are you doing.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 9: All right let me finish sorry sorry i'm sorry oh
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 9: no worries you're good uh you know you know and
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 9: that's a sad thing you know you know the industry
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 9: unfortunately you know it's uh you know Pay attention to me.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't matter. Don't believe what comes out
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: of my mouth, but buy my book and, you know,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: remember me. And, you know, you become.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: The product, not the story you're covering. And, you know, that's,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 7: I went to two years of Mizzou journalism school and
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 7: I walked away because of what I saw the profession
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 7: joined the Navy worked out.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: Great stuff.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: All right, Jason, you're new to the industry. What are
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: your thoughts about this?
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 6: Well, anytime I've written any articles or anything like that,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 6: it's just all important about just writing it down to
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 6: have it in front of you. Because, I mean, that's
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 6: what I'm called for. I mean, and then it's just
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 6: a huge thing for slandering. And they could have went
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: after them, you know. And I took a copywriting class,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 6: you know. And David said, like, Hey, you got to
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 6: be on top of your game. Like you got to
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 6: know what's going on. And, and if you have a
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 6: passion for it, then it shouldn't be a problem. You know,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 6: like it's just like any job. Like if you have
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 6: a passion for it, it's not going to be a job.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 6: So I just really think that, and then we're also
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 6: in a day and age where it's just click, click, click, click, click.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: So it's just very sad to say the least. But,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 6: I hope he learned a lesson. I mean, that's the way,
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 6: you know, that's what you have to do. It's just
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 6: very unfortunate. But at the same time, when I'm, when
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 6: I'm writing something down, I got to write it, write
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: it down that way. Oh, he plays for that team,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 6: you know, or whatever. So I really, I really just
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: think that I just really hope that these people, you know,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 6: it's not just him. Other people will learn their lesson
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 6: from the mistake. It's just, That's just a severe mistake
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: that should be avoided.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, Rob, obviously you're in the business too. What are
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: your thoughts about this type of malicious reporting? I mean,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Johan and Miguel, to me, it's a big difference.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 8: Listen, something like this should not happen. You know, for
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 8: my show, you know, for our show, we have athletes on,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 8: we have players on, and I really research, and I,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 8: you know... for hours before, you know, before the guy
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 8: comes on. So I make sure I got everything right.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 8: And I'm not going to make a stupid mistake. He,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 8: that was for, you know, who was he writing for?
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: The athletic, right? Yeah. Correct.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 8: You know, how, how does that, I know it's different,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 8: you know, used to be editors and, you know, it sometimes,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 8: you know, it was rare when something got through, but
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 8: it did get through. We know, we know it's happened
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 8: then too, but how does this happen? It, It's really,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 8: there's no excuse for it.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: And, you know, like everyone else said.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 8: He's lucky that he didn't sue him because it should
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 8: not have happened at all.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: Katie?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: You know, so I did a little research on this.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 5: This was, he posted this on a Monday. And for
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 5: several minutes that afternoon, the baseball world thought, Miguel Rojas
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: had tested positive for steroids. In reality, of course, he hadn't.
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 5: But that day, a reporter from The Athletic incorrectly posted
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: on social media that the Dodgers infielder had been suspended
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: 80 games because of a banned substance before quickly deleting
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: the post and explaining his mistake. Obviously, it turned out
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 5: it was Johan Rojas of the Philadelphia Phillies who had
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 5: been popped for PEDs receiving an 80-game ban. I deleted
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 5: a post incorrectly identifying who was suspended today, the reporter
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: later clarified. Two days later, Miguel Rojas was still voicing
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: frustration over the situation, telling reporters in the Dodgers Camelback
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: Ranch clubhouse that he had yet to receive an apology
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 5: over the incorrect report. I'm not frustrated because of the report,
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: he said. We're all humans, and we all make mistakes. However,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 5: he quickly added, I was expecting a little bit more
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 5: of an apology, not just to me, but the organization,
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 5: because it wasn't just my name. It was pretty clear
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 5: that he said Miguel Rojas from the Los Angeles Dodgers.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 5: That's the only thing that I'm kind of bothered by.
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: An apology eventually came. Later on Wednesday, the reporter tweeted
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: to Miguel Rojas and the Dodgers, I sincerely and publicly apologize.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 5: I've reached out to Miguel, the Dodgers, and Miguel's agent
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 5: to say the same. Once again, I'm sorry. So not
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 5: only did you misspeak, it took you two days. And
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 5: the person calling you out and saying, why didn't you apologize?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: come on, own up to your mistake, do the right thing,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 5: apologize to him and the organization right after you realized
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 5: what happened. That is what's sad, is that people don't
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: own their own mistakes. Miguel said, hey, everybody makes them,
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 5: but own up to it and apologize to the parties
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: that were affected. That's another spot where I feel he
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 5: was in the wrong.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll just put my personal into it. Now we
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: get to our feature topic of the night, and that
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: will be Dominick and Sue. I know Mickey, one of
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: the nicest guys I've ever worked with. I've never met
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: too many players that have the class. I actually think
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: he'll be a big league manager one day. I really do.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 2: This guy should have moved a little bit quicker.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: Dominick and Sue, our feature topic of the night, talks
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: about August money. He says over 1,000 players are going
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: to get cut this month. Most of them will walk away.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: with less than $ 15, 000 for the entire summer. Here's the math.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Training camp by the numbers. 2,880 people showed up to camp. 1,696
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: make a 53-man roster. 1,184 go home. Most people don't
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: realize that contracts don't start until the season starts. Camp
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: pays a per diem rate instead. It's $ 3, 500 a week
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: for the veterans, $ 2, 000 a week for everybody else. Camp
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: runs about six weeks, a first-year camp. Guys, whole take
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: for the summer lands around $ 12, 000. Average rent in the U.S.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: right now is close to $ 1, 850 a month. That money
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: is gone for spring for an entire summer of two days. 1,184
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: players get the same phone call in the same week
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: in late August. For a lot of them, that per
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: diem is every dollar football has paid them all year.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: And for some, that is a call that was the
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: last one they ever get from the league most of
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: these guys will have no other team calling won't even
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: land on a practice squad the summer per diem is
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: the final number of the year 12,000 to 21,000 depending
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: on how long he'd be around and that's until something
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: else comes along hopefully cut players get 12,000 to 21,000
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: practice squad 247,500 dollars to $ 411, 000 for a full season,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: week to week, no guarantees. Oh, that makes you feel good, right?
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Now, $ 53, 000, $ 88, 000, $ 885, 000 plus. These guys can walk out
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: of the same building into three completely different lives. Nobody
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: in that camp is short on talent. The difference four
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: or five years down the line is who spent the
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: same summer in building something outside of football. A second skill,
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: a business knowing that when it what to do with
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: the check once it shows up. None of that takes
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: reps away from football. It's just what left the building
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: when football stops calling and honestly doing what that throughout
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: my entire career kept me staying level-headed. People picture the contract,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: not the guy who spent the whole summer on a
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: per diem waiting on one call to tell him, whether
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: his career is taking off or already over. You never
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: really know whose year is riding on one phone call.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: It's true here, and it's true in plenty of rooms
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: that aren't locker rooms. That's a lot of stuff, Cliff.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: Let's try to make this rapid fire. I want to
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: get to as many topics as I can. Go ahead.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: All right, yeah. The smart players understand they don't have
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: a whole lot of time, Um, they, there's players that
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: will say, I don't even touch my, my salary from, uh,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: from playing. Um, they find a way to, you know,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 3: it's like they put that away, they do investments and
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: you know, if they're smart going in and I know
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: it's hard, especially when you're young, but you have to
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: understand that this is a limited time and you can
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: blow out whatever and never play again. So, Yeah, it's
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: not great. And I feel bad for them when they're
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: there and it's the only thing they got. But they
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: have to be smart with that. So maybe that's something.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: The league should do.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: I think they might do some sort of financial things
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: with them. But what about the players that might make
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 3: it or not make it? I think the best thing
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: they have to do, they just have to think about
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 3: whatever I'm getting, I'm getting. I've got to be smart
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: about it because this isn't going to last forever.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jason.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 6: Like Cliff said, there's only a handful of great superstar
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 6: players at going to be you know hey even five
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 6: ten years on the line they could be still broke
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 6: if they don't do things correctly and as scott was
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 6: mentioning about depth charts and practice squad players they got
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 6: it they're like working on a job it's like a
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 6: grocery drawer job or anything so they got to be
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 6: smart i remember hearing a story about michael irvin he
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: he i think his check was like don't quote me
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 6: on a check i think it might have been 500
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 6: 000 or something something right around there. He just left
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 6: it on his table and his roommates were like, what
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 6: are we doing? What are you doing with that? I'm
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 6: hanging on to it. Same with Charles Barkley in the NBA.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 6: Moses Malone, I believe he even said, he goes, hey,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: what are you doing with three cars, man? You ain't
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 6: going to last. Money ain't going to last, son. Again,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 6: it's all about if these guys could maybe transfer into
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: coaching like some of these backup quarterbacks do that don't
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: really have the talent, but they got a good mind
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 6: for offensive play calling, you know, for instance, I can't
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 6: remember his name, Callum Moore. I think, yeah, Callum Moore,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 6: he wasn't a great quarterback, but he had a good,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 6: he was a good offensive coordinator.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 6: So this is, and you got into Donovan King Sue, who,
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 6: has hung out with Warren Buffett and stuff. So after
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 6: his career, I met him at Lions training camp. He's at,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 6: I tried to get a couple of interviews with him.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 6: He did not want to talk and it's on my
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 6: YouTube channel. It's actually one of my funniest videos. He
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 6: just would not. And, but at the same time, that's
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: what players that got to do that just try to, Hey,
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 6: let's just keep working, keep trying to break in. But,
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 6: It's definitely, like you were stating, about $ 1, 800 a month
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 6: for rent. I mean, it's just going to keep going up.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 6: You know, even me, I got two, three jobs. I'm
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 6: always trying to do something. So I think this is
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 6: a huge deal for the NFL. And can they make
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 6: the transition to stay in the game as far as coaching?
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, interesting points. Let me bring this up before
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: I bring Rob in. Number one, he played for Stephen
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: Ross of the Miami Dolphins. Don't think he didn't pick
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: his brain there. Stephen Ross is a billionaire, and there's
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: a good reason why he is. So that's number one. And,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: of course, he played a lot of years, but he's
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: got some experience, and that's pretty interesting. But you picked
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: Stephen Ross, University of Michigan graduate, has a building named
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: after him there. He's had some good people talking to him.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: All right, Rob, go ahead.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 8: Sure.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 8: There's only a handful of superstars who don't have to worry. And,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 8: you know, some of those guys blow hundreds of millions
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 8: of dollars themselves because they do not, you know, they're
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 8: not schooled in how to invest, make good investments. They're
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 8: taken advantage of. You know, there are people out there
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 8: that take advantage. But these other lower guys, right, in
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 8: the training camp, they have to have something to fall
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 8: back on.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: They have to know, you know, you pretty much.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 8: Know what your talent is and how far you're going
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 8: to go. And, you know, that money is, that's nothing that,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 8: you know, can't even pay the rent. Like, like you
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 8: guys said, so they have to have something to fall
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 8: back on. And, you know, a lot of times it's,
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 8: it's not, it's not football. How many, how many people
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 8: could go into coaching? It's the same thing as, as players.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 8: There's a limited amount of jobs out there. So they
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 8: have to be careful with their money. And they have
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 8: to have something to fall back on because most of
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 8: them know that they're not going, going.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 6: Forward. Okay.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 4: John.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 7: You know, you get so intoxicated by, you know, the
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 7: game and the success and chasing a dream. And, you know,
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 7: the thing that strikes me about this is you guys
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 7: have all heard of the great baseball player, Tony Gwynn,
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 7: legendary San Diego Padre. During his career between him and
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 7: his wife, they got into some, LSD kind of investments.
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: He had to declare bankruptcy as a player. And, you know,
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 7: he was able to recover. He got something a little safer.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 7: But when he passed away, his wife got back into
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 7: the same get rich quick stuff. And their son, Tony Jr.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 7: had to, well, his mom lost their house. You know,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 7: and they're just because, you know, they don't know how
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 7: to handle money. And that's a very tough skill to learn.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: Can Candy close it out?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: NFL players, their career isn't that long. They need to
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 5: get as much money as they can. I get it.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 5: They don't get paid, you know, before they're really on
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 5: the roster. I think a lot of this is going
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: to change, though, because with NIL, they have more money
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 5: if they played college before anyways.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's continue on. We'll go back to the NBA
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: real quick, talk about something that drew quite well, especially
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: on TV. NBA Finals Game 1 and 2, 16.68 million
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: average viewers, most watched finals since 2018. Let's go around
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: the horn, rapid fire. Got a lot more to get to.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: All right, so I'll tell you one thing. The NBA
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: Finals drew well. Of course, we didn't have that New
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: York in it as well. Put some thoughts.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: Of course it was. I mean, the Knicks have been
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: horrendous for years and years and years. You had the
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: whole 53 years without a championship. Anytime you have something
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 3: like that and, you know, it's New York and people
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 3: have probably been starving for New York to be good.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: It's like they're going to check in on it. They
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: absolutely ought to check in. It's at Madison Square Garden.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: All that, you know, all the pageantry of all that. And,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: you know, I'm not surprised. You know, I'm sure a
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: lot of Knicks fans were a part of that, but
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: all around the world were part of it. Oh, my gosh,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: the Knicks are back.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Look at this.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been pretty good the last couple years, but
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: finally people wanted to see it work, see them succeed.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: They did. I'm not shocked at all about those numbers
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: on games one and two.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, what are your thoughts? Are you shocked or not, Jason?
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: Not really.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 6: I think it's– I'm not really too shocked about it.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 6: I think it was game one and two, first time
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 6: since 2010, I believe, since having the viewership. of that
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 6: Lakers Celtics series even going back to the early 90s
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 6: where they were fun with Ewing and Starks and that
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 6: I think that for the NBA was good for the
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 6: NBA and you got a coach with Mike Brown who
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 6: got on board with Jalen Brunson and actually invited him
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 6: to their house and it's just all about a sounding
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 6: foundation with you know, with a player coach. And I
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 6: thought that was good. He kind of pulled like a
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 6: Jim Harbaugh kind of type deal. So he, like, that
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: mattered because as soon as you brought in a head coach,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 6: a different head coach from, I can't think of his
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 6: name at the moment, but he kind of changed that
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 6: dynamic there. And he was a former of those, Thibodeau.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 6: So Tom Thibodeau, they fired him, brought Mike Brown in.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 6: Right away, he goes and wants to connect with Jalen Brunson.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 6: You know, his dad says, hey, it's all about trust,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 6: like we were talking about earlier, Scott, with these guys.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: And so, you know, running through a brick wall for him,
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 6: you know, these players will do that if they love you.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 6: And like you said, it's about trust. And it was
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: a good series. It's good for the Knicks. Will they repeat?
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 6: We'll see. It's going to be hard to repeat.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, Rob.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, of course, you know.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 8: It's the most watched since 2018 because the Knicks were
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 8: in it. And it's not only because of the Knicks fan.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 8: It's because of the casual fan who doesn't watch NBA really.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 8: They get caught up in the hype. You know, look,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 8: look at the Knicks. Look what's going on. It brings
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 8: in the casual fan. And that's what does it. And
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 8: that's why the ratings are good. So I'm not, you know,
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 8: the ratings are so big. I'm not shocked at all
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 8: about it.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: All right. What about you, John?
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: Well, you know, Rob is right.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 7: You know, the New York angle caught a lot of
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 7: the casual fans and, you know, you get one of
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 7: the big Metro areas, whether it's going to be New
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 7: York or, you know, LA and the Lakers, you're going
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 7: to have a good ratings, you know, with just because
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 7: of the size of those markets. And, you know, was
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 7: it a good thing? Well, especially, you know, there've been
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 7: a lot of legends that have played in New York and,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 7: you know, worn that Knicks uniform and they haven't won
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 7: a title. And, you know, since, you know, my hair
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 7: was dark and I was young, you know, you know,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 7: it was kind of a legend.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Let's face it. Top media market, New York Knicks,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 5: all the reasons why they would have most viewed. I
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 5: can see it. They were hoping that it would be,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: you know, East Coast team like the Knicks, the top media.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: All right, so as Jason alludes to, we'll get to
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: it right now, relationships are about what this business is. Obviously,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: there was a report that said that Mike Brown drove
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: out to Jalen Bruston's house for dinner. immediately after taking
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: the next shot to build a relationship with him. We'll
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 2: just make this really quick. I do a couple more
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: tops I want to get to. What are your thoughts
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: about what he did there, Cliff?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: That was definitely a very smart thing to do there.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: I'm like, he knew what he was coming in. He
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: knew it was smart because he knew Jalen Brunson's the
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: big star. If this is going to work, I got
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 3: to get in there. We have to be on the
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: same page. Absolutely.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: Hey, look.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: They're champions now. So it's that, that, that, that's what
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: a good coach does. It's like, I got to get
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: my big star. We got to be on the same
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: page and everything else will fall into place.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: Okay. Go ahead, Jason. Yeah.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 6: Working with him, uh, working with Jalen Brunson right away,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 6: just going there in the summer, right when the season's
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 6: over and get to work. And, and that's what ultimately
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: led them to be NBA champions. And, you know, you
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 6: get a player coach thing, as I stated earlier, it's,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 6: you know, this guy's the limit, and they'll run through
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 6: a brick wall for you, you know, and trust in relationships,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 6: whether it's in sports, work, anything. And I really gave
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 6: him a lot of credit for that, and I think
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 6: that ultimately led to them winning the championship.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, Rob.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 8: That was a smart move, you know, get a relationship
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 8: going with your star player. But my question is, I
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 8: wonder what the menu was for that night.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: Great segue over to John. Do you wonder what the
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: menu is?
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 7: I have no idea, but I hope, you know, maybe
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: there was some good bourbon in there too. The thing
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 7: that you love, you know, like everybody said, you know,
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 7: having that relationship, you know, having your best player, you know,
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 7: your locker room leader, being able to talk to the
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 7: other players and get them to buy in. That is
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 7: such a key.
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 2: Get candy.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 5: You know, it says a lot about the organization and
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 5: him as a coach to actually go to their house.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 5: You don't think about that too much anymore because, you know,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 5: we all put these walls up and my private life
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 5: is my private life and I don't want anybody to
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 5: come into my home, but yet here he was and.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: That just shows that he really cares and he really
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 5: wanted to get to know him.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: All right, let's continue the theme because I'll tell you
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: one thing. You talk about Brunson being brilliant. Here's another
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 2: report that says Jalen Brunson lost weight over the summer
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: in anticipation of playing at a faster pace under Mike Brown.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: Definitely paid off pretty well. Rapid fire, Cliff.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like lightning out there. He hit her
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: at the right time, good conditioning, right mental state. team
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 3: all went around it. I mean, first time in 53 years,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: you can't argue about that.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: Go ahead, Jason. Rapid fire.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you just can't argue. I mean, he had outstanding defense, too.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 6: Josh Hart, rebound. You know, Knicks had, you could tell
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 6: on a consistent basis, they were just destroying teams, too.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 6: Atlanta Hawks by like 55 points, so Again, and they
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 6: just never lost. So it was just a team to
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 6: be reckoned with.
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: You know, here's the thing about Jalen Brunson. You know
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: you're getting a new coach playing at a faster pace,
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: lose the weight, keep up, and definitely pay it off
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: because he won the NBA championship. Go ahead, Rob.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he did what he had to do, and look
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 8: at the results, right? The Knicks win the championship, so
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 8: he did the right thing.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: Okay, John.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 7: To steal a line from James Carville, you know, you
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 7: win a championship, you've got a high recidivism rate.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: You want to win another.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: There you go. Candy?
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all good. Everybody said what I would say,
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 5: so it's all good. All right, let's keep going.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: Let's go to baseball history. Francisco Lindor becomes the first
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: shortstop to ever hit 520 home runs, to have 520
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: home run. and 20 stolen bases in. Well, I'll tell
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: you one thing. This guy, I love Lindor. I'm glad
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: he's not playing for the Cleveland Guardians. What are your
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: thoughts about what Lindor is doing, Cliff?
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: I'm thrilled because most of the time when the Mets
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: make a big free agent signing or a trade or whatever,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: it blows up in their face. Especially as a shortstop,
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: it's hard to get a great shortstop. I'm thrilled with
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: what he's done. I'm actually shocked that he's played as
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: well as he has. Not because he wasn't good before that.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: It's because he put on the Met uniform. That's usually
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: death for so many formerly previous great players.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: It wasn't for him. All right, Jason, pick it up.
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 6: All right, Candy. I can't think of his stats right now,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 6: but if you look him up for this year, maybe
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 6: last year, I'm not really impressed by the guy. Personally,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 6: not with the Mets. The only reason why I say that,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 6: he goes through big-time slumps where he's 0-4, 0-4, 0-4.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 6: You know, like, okay. You know, like, okay, so he's
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 6: got five seasons with 20 home runs and 20 stolen bases.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: Okay, great.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 6: But he goes through these stretches of not hitting. And
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 6: I think probably everybody in baseball does, but I don't know.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 6: Unless he's been out of the limelight a little bit.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 6: And I know injuries have probably affected him since he's
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 6: been on Cleveland. I'm just not really that impressed by him.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: That's just me.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 6: That's just me.
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: Here's what I'm going to say about this whole thing.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: And let's not lose sight of it. He did it,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: and he did it as a shortstop, which is not
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: an easy position to do it. And shortstop is one
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: of the most demanding positions on the diamond, and he
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: did it playing that position. Rob, you're nodding your head.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: Now it's time for you to talk and back up
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: the nod. Okay. So we look like bobbleheads.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 8: He's, you know, he, he is streaky and he starts
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 8: off slow. That's, that's what the main problem is, but
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 8: he could carry that team. And he has carried that team.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 8: If you look at 2024, when the Mets made that
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 8: great post-season run, I mean, he was right there. So,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 8: I have to give him credit. Like you said, he
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 8: did it as a shortstop. I understand what Jason's saying.
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 8: But he usually starts off the season slow. And, you know,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 8: that's just the way he is. But I'm happy with
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 8: his play most of the time.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Francisco Lindor more. Okay, John.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 7: My biggest question about Lindor is when is he going
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 7: to get chased off by Juan Soto?
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 4: Those two seem to be toxic.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: To each other. Yeah, that's true.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, they are. Okay, Katie, the last word.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: You know, he does hold some records. He has the
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 5: most career postseason grand slams at two. Most seasons with
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 5: 25 home runs and 25 stolen bases as a shortstop.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: Most seasons with 20 home runs and 20 stolen bases
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: as a shortstop. He has five of those. He has
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 5: four of the previous ones. Um, he's a statistical leader
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: in assist at shortstop, um, at bats leader. He's done
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: that a couple of times, played appearances, put outs at shortstop. Um,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: and let's face it. How can you not like a
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: guy who's a nickname?
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: Mr.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 5: Smile.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: Final topic of the night. Then we talk travel. Robbie,
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: ready to talk travel. I know you, it's become your
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: new passion. So, uh, Rapid fire. Aaron Boone texted Jazz
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: Chisholm to tell him he wasn't in the starting lineup.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: Bad stuff. George Steinbrenner would turn over in his grave,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: wouldn't he, Cliff? You don't text like that.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no. What do you do?
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  Speaker 4: You're texting?
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: I'm like, come on, Aaron Boone.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: What are you doing? I'm like, you're part of this
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: old school. You have one of the biggest moments. in
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: Yankee history, and you're doing this.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 4: Come on.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: How would he have felt if his manager did that
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: to him? I know they didn't have texting back then,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: but if they did, I'm sure he wouldn't have appreciated
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: that either. Chisholm can rub you the wrong way, does
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: some stupid things, but you don't do that to a guy.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: You're getting benched. Talk to him. We'll probably put you
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 3: in the next game, but we really feel We need
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: to put this other guy in there to win this game.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think the word communication exists between those two.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: You have to do that. All right, go ahead, Jason.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: Rapid fire.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he, according to Yahoo Sports, that game two, when
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 6: that happened, he did that to Ben Rice, too. Texted him.
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, did he?
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 6: You got to talk to that. Yeah, that same game.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 6: And he said in game three, he goes, you know what?
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 6: I went i went i went to play mlb the
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 6: show and i mercied the player because he goes i
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 6: was so just upset by not playing but you know
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 6: according to him he said you know we got to
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 6: do whatever we got to do to play you know
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 6: the win but he's upset he's frustrated you know i
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 6: get it the communication skills i just think it like
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 6: Cliff said, you've got to be more in person. Let
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 6: these guys know what's going on.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: They did come back.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 6: They won that game, that game three. He also played
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 6: at third base a time or two with the Yankees.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 6: He didn't like that either from that. Moving from second
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 6: to third. We'll see how long this relationship keeps going.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 6: He did say that He does have a lot of
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 6: respect for Aaron Boone. And I can't see, like, can
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 6: you imagine, like, Joe Girardi doing that to Boone.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: Back in the day?
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 6: I don't know about that, how that would work. So
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 6: I did respect Chisholm by saying, hey, you know, this
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 6: is my manager. I still give him a.
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 4: Lot of respect.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 6: But maybe he's not letting really anything else about it now.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what. I have one carryover topic
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 2: that will go on the next episode. Rob, some thoughts
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: about this communication or lack of it. I don't know
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: what to call it.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 8: You don't, I don't care what, you know, I don't
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 8: care what people say. You do not text the player
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 8: that is not playing in.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: The playoffs, you know, but a funny thing.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 8: I heard that a jazz replied with a middle finger emoji.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, did he really? That's funny.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: Okay. John.
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  Speaker 7: I just know that there's a lot of fans in
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 7: San Diego that wish he was back with the Padres.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 6: Fair enough.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, Candy?
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not the communication line that I would pick in
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 5: order to deliver that message. But it is what it is.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the paddle portion of the program.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: We'll carry over one other topic. This takes you to
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Key West, Florida, and it's something I know, John, you're
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: going to get used to seeing, at least on this
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 2: show on Wednesday night. Go ahead and do the tape, Candy.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: We're going to Key West with the hockey rink.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 5: Oh, you did not prep me. Give me a second.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: Talk about it a little bit, and I'll get it
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 5: for you.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: Candy and I went to Key West.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: You know what?
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: Anybody can go out there and go to the obvious
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: places to go, but I like to be different. And
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, when I saw this combination, I
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: had no choice but to go out there and roll
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: with this one. Charlie from California, hello to you as well. Back, okay.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: Hockey Day or Morning in Key West. Oh, my goodness.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: Seriously, really?
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 8: Seriously?
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: Find it, Candy?
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: I'm working on it. You did not.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: Well, it is. It was all written. You just didn't
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: look at it. Okay. But that's okay. So, John, what
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: are your thoughts about your first show here tonight?
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: Oh, this is going to be fun. I hope you
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 4: guys invite me back.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, you're on every Wednesday night. Don't give me the
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: whole stuff.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: God bless.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 7: As far as hockey and unusual places, let me give
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 7: you Manila, Philippines.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. I'll take that.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 4: They have got a hockey league there.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 4: Seen it, watched it, and they're not bad.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: Right? Really?
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: Okay. I got it ready. Here we go.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: Go ahead. Take a listen. Rob and Candy will take
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: over with their travel show, which is going. Let's go
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: to the tape. Good morning, everybody. I am king of
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 2: the road. That's the Motor City Mad Mouth. It's in
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: Key West, Florida. That's the Nation Discovery Media Network. Takes
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: you live to the most hockey club for the kids
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: and the love of the game. KeyWestHockey.com. That is an
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: enough home of the Key West Derby Dames. the southernmost
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: roller derby team in the United States, established 2013. KeyWestDerbyDame.com.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: Special thanks to Edward Knight. Anyways, earlier this week, Hockey
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: Night in Canada announced on CBC that they will no
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: longer be doing games on free TV. So, you know what?
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: It's only fitting that I dedicate this to my friends
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: in Canada, since I'm a Red Wings guy and used
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: to watch it on Saturday, that I can actually spend
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: a Saturday morning talking about hockey and Key West Florida people.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: And as my videographer, Candy, is doing, she's taking some
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: pictures of this unbelievable rink. And can you only imagine
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: how warm it is this morning? Why they don't have
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: ice here at all. But you talk about some of
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: the most interesting things that we can find on the road.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: Pictures tell the story, don't they? I wish it wasn't
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 2: 63 people because I'd love to play this game. although
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just way too old to do it, so all
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: I can do is think about it, maybe do a
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: little play-by-play as well. So you talk about goals, brings
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 2: back the old days, and I used to play back
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: in Oak Park, Michigan, and I've covered a lot of
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: Red Wings games, but here I am in Key West, Florida, people,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: in the morning, Southern Motaki, And yes, I'm King of
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: the Road. Once again, Destination Discovery Media Network. Please hit
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• 1:53:46
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• 1:53:48
  Speaker 2: of the Road. I'm enjoying every bit of this.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 9: All right.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: Some impressions of the video. Then we're going to turn
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: over to Rob as well. Go ahead, Cliff.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: I'm all about hockey. I've never seen that. That's great.
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: I love the fact that you do those different things.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: It's all about hockey. It would have been even better
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: if they had a practice or something going on there
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: at the time. Kids playing a league. I know it's
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: a little early.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: Too early in the morning.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe a practice or something going on. That always helps.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: That could have helped with the video because, you know,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 3: it's kind of a– it's empty, so it kind of
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: loses something. But still, it's in Key West. You don't
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: think about hockey in Key West. So, yeah, every time
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: I see that– heck, any time I see like a
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: public hockey thing anywhere, I got to go look at
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: it and go see it because I'm a hockey freak.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 3: So I'm always happy. Thank you. Thank you for bringing
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 3: us Key West hockey.
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: John, real quick, Candy and Rob, you got about 90
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: seconds to talk. Talk your game.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: Go ahead.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 7: Okay, John, first, I have a feeling, you know, when
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 7: that video gets out there, it will increase participation.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 2: That's a great observation. Okay, Rob, Candy, go ahead. You
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: got about 60 seconds.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 8: All right, I'll start this time, Candy, really quick. We
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 8: had such a great show on Monday. 50 of the
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 8: each state we had was supposed to be their most
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 8: famous landmark. I don't know if all of them were
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 8: the most famous, but they were all good. We had
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 8: a pretty good, you know, amount of viewers for that candy.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: That was pretty good.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 5: I would agree. I would agree, Scott. And going down
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: there to Key West and doing that kind of a video,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 5: that rink has been there and the hockey thing has
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: been there, inline hockey, since 1994. I think it's cool.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: I think going to a destination... You know, you could
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 5: go to the obvious spots, the southernmost point, whatever, Mallory Square.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 5: But we go to some of the places that not
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 5: everybody would think about. We go to a destination and
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: we discover it. That's the beauty of it. And Rob, yep,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 5: I loved Monday's show, talking about the different landmarks and
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: whether we have been to those landmarks or not, I
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: thought was also cool. So definitely you have to check in.
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 5: Tune in Monday nights, 710, 715. It's the quickest 30-minute
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 5: traveling show. Hey, Rob and I always say this is
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: the quickest 30 minutes that we've had for our week.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 5: So definitely tune in. Destination Discovery's media network.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: See, I give Rob Marosco a lot of credit. The
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: guy who's been on the last four shows says, come on, Rob.
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: You got to do something else outside of sports. And
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: you know what? Trying to be your mentor in some ways, Rob.
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: I'm still older than you, albeit not by that much.
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: But I have a lot more years in the business
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: than you do. And you know what? You took the
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 2: advice and you become a more well-rounded and you're better
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: of it. And of course, travel is natural for you.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: But that says great job by both of you. And John,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: your first act, you got an A in my book, brother.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: And you are back on here every Wednesday night, 9
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: o'clock p.m. Eastern. You know how to get on, so
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: you don't have to ask me that again. Let's whip
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: it around the horn real quick. Cliff, let everybody know
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 2: they get a.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: Hold of you.
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: I'm on Facebook. You can see my name there. I'm
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 3: here every Wednesday on the Sports Exchange, and I'm dabbling
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: around with Instagram too. So if you want to talk
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: about some sports, go back at it. I yell at
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: the NHL, their stupid expansion.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 4: So I'm not going to be curious about it.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: We didn't have a rant tonight. Nobody got it, but
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: that's okay.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: It was nice.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: But I don't want to rant just deliberately. But when
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: the time comes, they get really interesting. Cliff, please do
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: whatever this idea a little bit. Jason, real quick.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: All righty.
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 6: You can find me on the Sports Exchange on Wednesday
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 6: nights from 9 p.m. to 11 here on Wednesdays. And
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 6: you can also find me on StadiumRant.com. I just recently
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 6: just picked up a part-time little writing position there. And
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 6: you can also follow me on ProcSportsEdge1 on YouTube. So,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 6: That's how you can follow me.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: All right, Rob, make it quick.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 8: NYMLB Talk, we're now part of that. rounding third media
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 8: network that we just hooked up with it's a huge
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 8: network now and i'll tell you more about it and
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 8: here and on the travel channel monday at 7 10
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 8: 7 15.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 7: Okay john yeah you won't find me anywhere but here.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you get them twice. You get them on
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: Wednesday and you get them on Thursday. So, John, now
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: that you've had me on it. That a boy. Whatever
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: you say, you're awesome, brother. So, I'll get you out
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: tomorrow on sports rep candy tickets the rest of the way.
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 2: Rapid fire. You know how to do it faster than
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 2: you've been around me long enough, Don.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: South Florida Tribune Publishing Company published a book, Lessons from
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 5: the Microphone, Tuning into the Enduring Wisdom of Visionary Leaders.
• 1:58:49
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• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: and Apple Books. Audiobook is also out there. There's a
• 1:58:54
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• 1:58:58
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• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thanks for everybody joining us tomorrow night. We
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: have a double header. We're going to have sports rap.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: John's going to join me on that show. And I'll
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: actually make an appearance on fire up with in the
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: country club. With that said, great job by everybody on
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 2: behalf of Cliff, on behalf of Jason, on behalf of
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: Rob and our rookie of the night, who won't be
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: a rookie much longer when I get done with you. Anyway,
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: John and Candy, we're all done. Good night, everybody.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 1: Goodnight.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: Goodnight, guys.