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85: Sister Wives - Stones in Glass Houses (S18E3) · Reality TV Cringe

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Welcome to Reality TV crin Oh my God. We are the podcast that serves
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and we are excited to be with you today to discuss Sister Wives. Yes,
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season eighteen, episode three, which houses stones whatever. Yes, there's
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some stones or some glass houses. There's some narcissism, Oh my god,
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so much, very wild, and I have so many things to say,
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in the dumpster and we want to find more raccoons. Yes, okay,
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let's get into the episode. Are you ready? So basically there's just three
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important scenes. Yes, In this episode, we have the first scene where
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Cody is with his men Go their own Way Mormon Bros. Then we have
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the scene where Cody goes to visit Janelle at her little dormitory apartment and the
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fight ensue, which is wild. There's so much that goes on there.
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And then we have Cody and Robin going to visit Mary to discuss holiday plans.
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Yes, okay, so let's start at the beginning with the bros.
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Apparently, Cody likes to spend time with his bros. He likes to sit
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down and wrap about marriage and wives and that sounds like a lot of fun
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man stuff. Janelle calls it to stosterone tuesdays is what they used to call
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it back in a Utah. But yeah, it's it's time for Cody to
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have his me end time because he's surrounded by too many women, right.
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Janelle says at some point later in this episode that he's actually gone on this
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man trip back to Oklahoma, by the way, where Nobody is socially distancing
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on the couch talking to each other. Of course, of course he's gone
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for a full week, which I thought he wasn't supposed to do, right,
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So when he wants to go to Parowan or when he wants to hang
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out with Janelle, Janelle only has two or three days because he's got to
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get back right away. Yes, except if it's to go visit the bros
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or do what he wants to do, then it's okay. And Robin even
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says that she encourages him regularly to have his man time because she thinks it's
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important. Sure, Robin, Sure. Jan So in the conversation with his
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bros. We kind of get into a lot of different things. First and
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foremost, he talks about how he's been angry, how that anger is affecting
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his wives and also his children. Yeah, he's angry because Christine had the
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audacity to leave. Well, first, he was relieved, Yes, at
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first, when she told me that she moved all my shit out of the
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house. I was relieved because I really don't like her anyway. I felt
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peace, I felt calmness, and then I started feeling angry right and betrayed
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because that set off a bomb in the family, which he refers to as
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a civil war. And so he got angry because the kids got involved.
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And of course he also feels grief because the family is torn apart because of
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Christine. It's all Christine's fault, yes, and Janelle later yes, and
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it's now becoming Janelle's fault. It's already been Mary's fault. Mary's been on
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the outs for a very long time. What did you think of this kind
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of weird conversation? He did mention that Nathan, who was kind of the
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bigger gentleman, was a fundamentalist Mormon. So not just a regular old ld
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ass like you're good, Judy Ethel, yes, but like a full on
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fundamentalist polygamist who also had one of his own wives divorce him. I know,
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I wonder why I would love to know the tea in that polygamist family.
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But that's why Cody is talking with him, because Nathan understands the struggle
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that Cody is going through with losing a wife and then being at odds with
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the other two and still fucking his favorite wife. It's it's great. I
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just love seeing this dynamic. And then there's Cody's younger brother that's there,
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yes, who I guess grew up with the polygamist lifestyle as opposed to Cody,
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whose dad didn't convert until he was an adult. And then another brother
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I think is there. No, it's that same guy that he went to
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officiate their wedding. That's his friend from Oklahoma is also there. So he's
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only got one wife and he's the one who thinks Cody's kind of crazy.
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Well, I mean he is, yes, and he is. Yeah.
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Yeah, So it's just kind of a mo crew of weird Do did you
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notice that Cody actually admitted that when Christine left him, he went online and
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he found some websites where men were talking about walking away from women and hating
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women, also known as men going their Own Way or migtao right, which
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is a fucking community of older in cells who probably got dumped by women and
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who are pissed off about it. Yeah, so we have been talking,
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and I know in the community, we've all been kind of talking about Cody
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being red pilled, Cody being a part of the manisphere, which he actually
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mentioned in a previous episode the manisphere we did, Yeah, I think he
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used the word manisphere at some point. Yeah, And so now he's kind
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of confirming that he actually did go to these different sites or on Reddit or
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whatever and immerse himself in that poison, as he calls it. Now,
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yeah, he said it's a touch of poison looking back, because that fueled
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a lot of his anchor. And I'm like, but you're still on those
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sites though, right, that's what it seems like. You're still on these
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sites because even in these weird conversations, which it's just Cody blabbing on and
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on and about how he feels betrayed and how he's going through all these emotions
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because Christine left the family and broke up the whole family. But I think
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it was Nathan, the bigger guy, that was like, well, but
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you know that you may have done some things wrong or something to that effect.
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Like he was like, you have to admit like your faults in this
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too, and Cody just kind of brushes over that. Right, he doesn't
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have the ability. He literally doesn't have the ability, although he is pretending
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that he does have the ability. For example, in this conversation, he
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talks about how Christine came to him at some point and said that she hated
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polygamy and that he handled it the wrong way because at the time he said
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something like, what are you talking about? Polygamy has given you all of
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these children, Polygamy has given you this beautiful family and me and me all
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of this time, and he says in this conversation that he shouldn't have been
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indignant. It was probably, by the way, way worse than that.
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For sure, Cody was probably angry at her audacity to even be saying that
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about the family and polygamy. But he's now saying, in this conversation with
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his bros. That what he should have done is said, I'm sorry,
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I know it's hard, polygamy can be tough, and if he had it
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to do again, he would have did it a different way. And I
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don't believe him at all. I don't believe him at all. I think
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he's just saying all the right things to come off like he's this dude that
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actually gives a shit when you're literally pushing all these women away, all of
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them makes up Robin apparently. Well, we know he's not being true because
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in just one segment or two later, when he's sitting down with Janelle and
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Janelle is trying to get a word in edgewise and tell him how she feels,
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he's not even listening to her. So all of this fucking introspection about
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how he should have handled things with Christine isn't real because he doesn't know how
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to do it with Janelle. Yeah, you would think he would know how
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to do it with Janelle, right, because it seems like we've been seeing
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from these earlier seasons like they've had a could like friendship. They communicate really
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well with each other, They talk a lot, and they've always prided themselves
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in their relationship and that ability to be able to have a good conversation to
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get friends and be friends. And so it's weird that he can't even acknowledge
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it with Janelle. But I think it's because Janelle's calling him out on his
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ship well. And also Janelle actually addressed it in the episode. She said
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Cody doesn't want the implications of actually being the one to divorce his wives,
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And I was wondering if that's a faith based thing, Like is there some
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kind of a ramification or something that would happen to him if he's the husband
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in a plural family and he decides to cast out a wife, does he
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not get the best planet next to Jesus? So on Colob, like,
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is there a faith implication for him being the one to initiate? So it
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is Janelle's theory as positive by her in this episode that he's ignoring his wives.
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He's neglecting his wives in order for them to be the first ones to
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say I'm out, like so that way, he doesn't have to be the
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one to admit that he broke up with this marriage. I wonder if it
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probably is religious based, but I could also see it just being purely in
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Cody's fucking ego, because God forbid, as Janelle calls him the paragon of
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honesty and perfection, right, like God forbid that he can't admit, Yeah,
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you know, I really love Robin and are breakdancing pussy. I just
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can't do it with you guys anymore, and like I love our kids,
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Like, let's just break up amicably, and you guys can live your happy
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lives and we can just live our monogamous life and our McMansion. Yeah,
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but he can't do that. It's very strange to me because I've been married
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for a million years. I've been in a lot of different conflicts with different
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husbands because I've been married many times. But I know that if you want
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to resolve a conflict with your partner, like the thing you don't want to
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do is just blame the other person for absolutely everything, and like not take
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any ownership in your own ship. But we are jumping ahead, yes,
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back to this fucking bromance bro talk. Right. There is a section in
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this conversation where Cody talks about the dilution that comes along with polygamy, meaning
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that it's not super intense like a monogamous relationship where you're just with that person
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all the time, right, And he's like, the benefit to polygamy is
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that I can just go to the next wive's house and hang out with her
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and get away from the cantankerous wife, or the wives can get away from
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me if I'm being cantangross, which he doesn't actually believe he is cantankerous.
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He's calling I think Janelle cantankriss in this because I think he's used that word
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for her before. Yeah, and I think Christine too. And Janelle,
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I guess, is listening in on this or hearing this footage or something,
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because then there's a snapshot of her saying ding ding ding. Right. He's
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got it, right. I mean, maybe that is what it is for
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her, but it's not like that for Christine. I think Christine likes Cody
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and loves to be in a relationship with him and wants intimacy with him.
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Same thing with Mary. She wants that. She's okay sharing it, but
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wants that relationship. Yeah, And Janelle's like, I don't care. I
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like my independence. I don't need a full time husband. That's why I
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like polygamy. So she's always been that wife. So maybe it was a
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hit to her in that conversation. I think it was a hit to her
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in that conversation. And I think this is also where Robin slithers her way
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into the topic by saying, well, yeah, like there is the reality
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that I only have him three fourths of the time, and so that is
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why I needed a nanny, and that is what the nanny does. Yes,
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she's defending herself in this talking head by saying that, yeah, he's
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gone three fourths of the time, which no, he's not. No,
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he's not not for you, Robin, because in the conversation with Janelle,
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she says, you weren't around for four or five months, Yes, but
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Cody says, that's an exaggeration, it wasn't actually that long. Oh my
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god, he's crazy. He is absolutely delulu. And she was like,
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this is fucking wild. Robert's comment was a little weird though, talking about
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the nan right there, and then I know there was a producer editing and
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everything, which thank you TLC for at least putting that little nugget in there,
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because it frames the rest of the episode really well. But I just
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can't believe that Robin would even think that in her dumb brain that I need
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a nanny for my three kids when Christine was literally mothering twelve thousand children,
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right for fifteen years. But okay, whatever, right, and she really
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did have a nanny for those three kids and for subsequent two children because McKelty
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moved in with her when kelty was thirteen. Yeah, and so she's always
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had help, whereas Christine didn't have help. Nope. Yea, it's interesting,
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Okay. So the next scene is the scene where Cody goes to talk
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with Janelle, I guess, to hammer out and finalize the holiday plans,
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in specific the Christmas plans. So I'm guessing by this point Thanksgiving has already
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happened. Yeah, we already had the conversation outside of Robin's house where there's
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the big fight, So now we're here to talk specifically about Christmas, and
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by this point, Janelle and Christine have both together rented an airbnbat yep for
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all of their family. Christine's going to be arriving, I guess after Christmas
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for a couple of days so everybody can be together. And so Janelle is
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going to have to relay this information to Cody, and she already knows he's
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gonna be pissed. It's gonna be a problem. He's gonna be pissed.
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And he walks in with his fucking headband of sunglasses and his hair and his
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bald spot and he walks into her fucking dorm apartment, which by the way,
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is smaller than my apartment as a twentysomething year old kid, I just
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whatever. But he walks into her apartment immediately has to go get water.
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Like, did you notice that he's kind of entitled, like for a man
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who doesn't visit his family very much at all, and you just walk in
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and start using their ship, right, It's weird. And he's also like
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casting these furtive glances over at Janelle, who's like on her laptop and he's
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checking her out. He's like, five, check what I'm doing, what's
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happening? And she's like, I'm working, and he's like, yeah,
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it's so cold out there. I need I need to drink my water hot,
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and so he's getting hot water. But it's just like immediately you can
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just feel the tension. And then like the first thing he says of substance
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out of his big dumb mouth is wow, your Christmas tree is really little.
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Yeah, And I was just like, dude, I know, immediately
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critical tone deaf though, Yeah, you live in a huge McMansion on four
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acres, which Janelle verifies later in the episode. You're coming into Janelle's dormitory
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apartment, which is smaller than Beatril's apartment. As a twenty something, You're
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real, kid, they're shit everywhere because there's no room in this place for
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Savannah and for Janelle. The're ship piled on the counters, are ship piled
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in boxes. And you have the audacity to say, Wow, that's a
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fucking pitiful little tree. I'm used to really big trees because I live in
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a mansion. Yeah, like we have high cathedral ceilings, so like our
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fucking Christmas tree, you know, it's like twelve feet tall, and so
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I'm like, oh, nice Christmas tree. Janelle that's what it felt like
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to me. Yes, And in his talking head he straight up has the
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gall to comment on the Christmas tree again and he's like, well, this
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is what did he say? It's a symbol of our deteriorating, our degradation,
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our degraded family. Wild to me, it's really not. It's a
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symbol of how you neglect your wife. Yes, because she's in this fucked
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up apartment with your child who's not yet of age, who you have a
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duty to support. Like are you paying child support? My guy? Like
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why are these people living in this apartment now? Granted, like, let's
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be fair. Yes, he did want to have Janelle purchased a home.
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In specific, he wanted Janelle to buy Christine's home, but he only wanted
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that because he wanted to put his name on Christine's home. He wanted to
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have a joint asset and if it's joint to him, then it's also joint
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with Robin unless they're specific legal terms that they arrive at, which, by
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the way, I think they did. On Coyote Paths, I was reading
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the subreddit and apparently the land that is owned by Cody and Janelle, and
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also I think Cody and Mary, which is also has Robin's name on it.
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Right, there's a clause that she cannot inherit it, she cannot take
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control of it should something happen. There's not Robin, so it's really only
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Janelle and Cody's or Mary and Code's like she doesn't actually have any legal control
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over Janelle's property. Well that's good then, yeah, I hope. So
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somebody said that and it sounded it sounded right when I was reading it.
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Interesting, But I'm just like, how do you not have self awareness?
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I mean, if I'm Cody and I'm walking into this scrubby little apartment in
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my fucking shades with my leather coat, and my wife is sitting on the
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couch and this busted down sofa trying to do some fucking Plexus magic so she
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can buy a Christmas present for her daughter, I mean I would be aware.
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I'd be bringing something over. Yeah, like what do you need my
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my love? Ye? No, he does not give a shit at all
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because he's already reacting from this weird triggered place of like my ego has been
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damaged because I'm no longer the head of my house and my family and nobody
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has control. Nobody is submitting to my control. Nobody is complying with my
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rules and my thought of how this family should act. Like he's like reacting
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from that place, And it's really crazy to see a grown ass man with
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these tightly curled hair, Like, I just can't, dude, he's like
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losing control of his whole life and he's like having a breakdown on team,
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and so he has to hyper control his curl. Yeah, the only thing
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he has control over is this curl, and it's gonna cald God. So
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he sits down on this broke down couch with Janelle, and both of them
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seem a little bit hesitant to get into this conversation. I'm wondering if it's
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on some production call sheet that we have to have a sit down conversation about
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the holidays with Janelle and Cody. So they both are prepared for this terrible
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conversation. But it comes up that Janelle is going to be spending time with
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her kids at the Airbnb and that she rented it with Christine. Now,
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as soon as she says that she rented it with Christine, you can just
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see he's already got a stink attitude. But you can just see he gets
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hard and he gets cold, which is so crazy. And like, dude,
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if I'm thinking about these three og wives, Christine and Janelle are the
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ones that had the majority of the children. Like, I don't understand how
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you can think in your brain that this is an attack on you and your
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family structure for your family to be hanging out together as a family for Christmas,
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right, But he genuinely takes it as like, I mean, he
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wasn't invited, and so I can see he's not inviting anybody else, of
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course, Nor is he picking up a phone and calling his sons who he
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has the issue with, Nor are they picking up a phone and calling him,
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which, by the way, is established. It is established. He
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says it in this conversation that the phone goes both ways. Other words,
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I have not called my kids to relay the fact that they don't need to
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apologize, confirming once again that he expects Janelle to run back and tell the
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boys, Okay, you don't actually have to apologize, but there has to
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be some sort of a conversation in which you're going to have to apologize,
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like he's expecting Janelle to do this. But then at the same time,
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he's blaming Janelle for doing it, which actually is the definition of gas lighting.
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Yeah, but he's accusing her of gaslight, and I'm like, at
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no point, Janelle, I just wish she could have tagged me in this
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conversation. At no point could you have thought to say, give me an
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example of how I gaslate you? Yeah, because to gaslight means that you're
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telling somebody that something that did happen did not happen, correct and then implying
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that they're essentially crazy or that they're making it up, like what did Janelle
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do? Janelle did say what did I do? And at no time did
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he actually give her an example. All he's saying is you're not loyal,
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you're lying, you're making things up. You're not defending me. We're not
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a united front. It's just blame, general blame. Yes, he really
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doesn't have specifics as to what Janelle has done, other than to cling to
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what Janelle is doing. That's bothering him so much. I know I'm going
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crazy. I know I'm going crazy. I'm telling you. I checked my
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blood pressure before I went into that scene. It was like one oh eight
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over sixty something. I checked it after it was like one thirty seven over
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eighty something, like my blood pressure literally went up. What was I saying?
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So back to what I was saying, which was that his condemnation of
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her is just general stuff without actual specifics, and that's what was getting me
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so upset because he's really got nothing, and he actually really is using the
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same playbook that he used against Christine against Janelle. And she's just sitting there
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and she's trying to talk Beatrice. She's trying to open her mouth and defend
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herself, and every time she does, she gets three words out and he's
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jumping in and interrupting her. It was driving me crazy. He cuts her
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off every time. I watched this twice today and both times I was super
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fucking tense during this whole entire argument because I've been in an argument with the
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narc and it's not fun. And it's exactly like this, where did it
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just sit there? No? Never, never, But like you sit there
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and you try to get a word out, and you're scared the whole entire
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time. Like Janette looks pissed, so she doesn't look like she's timid.
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She just keeps getting more and more mad because she can't get a fucking word
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in, and every single time she gets a word in, he has another
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blame, another accusation of what she's doing to the family, which she hasn't
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done. Shit. I mean, what he's probably upset by is that she's
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circumvented his authority by getting the fucking fifth will and didn't listen to him by
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buying a house, so that way she wouldn't be upset by the fact that
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she has no fucking assets in the family and she's tied up in this coyote
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pass bullshit that's never going to happen. But that's he can't like articulate it.
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He just has to be pissed off at her for everything, the whole
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family, the kids, him not having any relationship with the boys, which
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is wild to me, Like, like you'd said, pointed out, he's
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accusing her of talking shit to the boys, but then at the same time
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wants her to mitigate it and fix his relationship with the boys, right,
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And the fact that she hasn't sufficiently yes is another reason for him to blame
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her. And like there's at some point, like as we're starting to get
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into this argument, she's like, well, the boys want to know if
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you're going to come by. So there's actually there's an invitation out there,
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even if the boys haven't issued it, there is potentially a desire that the
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Suns would like for Cody to go to the airpn B and drop in for
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Christmas. And he's like, I'm not going to go to that house.
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I have a house. It's my and Robin's house. That's where I'm going
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to be having Christmas. I'm just like, dude, you are so proud.
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Pride cometh before a fall, my guy, you were seeing it right
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now you're falling. You suck and I hate you. Yes, And then
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to also claim in the same fucking breath that he has no favorites and that
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to even accuse Robin of being the favorite is so damaging to the family and
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so cruel and such a lie. And it's like, but you're literally saying,
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I have a house, I have a family, I have a place
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for me, and it's not with you guys anymore. Right, That's exactly
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will not dage to leave my house with Robin and our children and come and
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visit all of my other kids who are coming into Flagstaff, Like all of
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them are coming in except for Caddy and Meleb, Maddie and Caleb, all
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of them are coming in, But I'm not going to take that opportunity to
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be a dad and show up and try to connect with my family. Yes,
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And then Janelle calls that out again, is like, this is the
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new fucking excuse because before it was all those stupid COVID protocols that we all
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tried to abide by and it was never good enough for you. And now
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it's this that we can't get together because we have to hash this stuff out,
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but you don't want to hash it out. And then we get into
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the COVID thing again. And how pissed Cody is at Janelle. Did you
23:53
notice this? He's pissed at Janelle for her boys and their beliefs and they
24:00
opinions on emotions about him. Janelle is not her son's. These boys are
24:04
grown as adults at this point exactly, they can have They are entitled to
24:10
their own opinions. It's not her fault. And she's like, what do
24:12
you want me to do? Like, I can't make them do anything.
24:15
You're the one who has this relationship with the kids. And Christina has been
24:18
saying it the last two episodes like, the responsibility is yours if you want
24:23
to have a relationship with your children or your wives, and it is up
24:26
to you to go ahead and make the effort to do that. It's not
24:30
on me. Just because i'm their sounding board and they come to me to
24:33
talk to me, doesn't mean that I'm the one who's destroying your relationship.
24:37
But he doesn't. He doesn't get it, and he's really fucking butt hurt
24:41
that Gabe and Garrison and I don't know about Hunter decided to have a social
24:47
life during COVID, God for fucking bid, ultimately brought back COVID into the
24:52
house or everybody in that house apparently got COVID and didn't listen to him,
24:56
and is mad at Janelle because she didn't abide by his rules and we're getting
25:02
back into litigious territory because she's like, you didn't fucking give me the rules.
25:07
I asked for the rules in March of twenty twenty. I didn't get
25:10
them until before Thanksgiving, and so you can't blame me for not knowing the
25:12
rules. I followed the CDC guidelines, but it was never enough for you.
25:18
It was always something more. And the boys saw that, and the
25:21
boys were like, that's fucking bullshit. This is just an excuse, and
25:25
we haven't seen him for four to five months, which is when they called
25:29
Robin. Because the boys believe Robin is behind it. And you know what,
25:33
I agree with them. You think Robin is behind all of it.
25:36
Yes see, I don't know in this episode I watched back in season sixteen,
25:41
episode nine called the Teflon Queen. This is where this term came out.
25:45
I watched this scene with Cody and the boys confronting about or talking about
25:51
COVID and all this bullshit when they were on Coyote Pass. Yeah, that
25:53
conversation, okay, and the boys had conceded in that argument thinking, oh,
25:57
sorry, it was our ignorance, thinking it was Robin's fault, but
26:00
it was actually you and she and Cody had said in that episode, well,
26:04
she's the obedient wife. She's the one that follows all of my rules.
26:08
And so yeah, she's the one that's going with it because she's the
26:11
most obedient. You are giving you are giving him too much credit. You
26:17
aren't giving her enough credit because we see it when we see it when they
26:21
go to Mary's house in the third segment, and when Mary proposes that she
26:27
invite all of the kids, So we're going to be at the Airbnb over
26:30
for Christmas Eve, And Cody immediately says, or, is that what you
26:33
want to do? Is that your plan? And he seems open to it,
26:37
and then Robin opens her mouth and says, well, that's kind of
26:38
scary to me. I haven't talked yet. And then Cody says, yeah,
26:44
I don't want to hang out with people who are uncool about me having
26:45
rules about COVID. So do you see how she did that? He thinks
26:48
it's his idea, right, he thinks, oh, this is my rule,
26:52
But it was Robin that's turning the head. She's the neck, she's
26:55
turning his fucking head. So, yes, I believe these are all of
27:00
Robin's rules, and Cody thinks they're his rules, and so he's trying to
27:03
take the heat off of her. But she's abbus a little lee behind all
27:07
of it. Beads. See, this is our eighty old question of this
27:11
pot. Is Robin dumb as a box of rocks? Or is she actually
27:15
the machiavellian puppet master of all of this? So you really think like these
27:19
were all of her rules to begin with She convinced Cody that they were his
27:25
rules and that he came up with the idea, so that way he didn't
27:27
blame her put any blame on her. I don't think her motivation was COVID.
27:33
I think her motivation was separation. And again we're acting like this began
27:37
during COVID when they have talked and said, no, this was going on
27:41
when they were in Vegas. He wasn't spending time at the other wives homes
27:45
when they were in Vegas, so she was doing something different in Vegas.
27:48
Now we've got COVID. I think she's using the rules in order to enforce
27:55
the separation and have him be home with her. And he is too dumb,
28:00
literally not smart. He's too dumb to realize what Robin is doing.
28:07
I don't think Robin is i Q smart. Yeah, I don't think she's
28:11
fucking book smart. But she has an instinct like a lot of people do,
28:15
on how to manipulate the person that they're romantically involved with. That's what
28:21
I think, and she knows it, and she knows he's dumb too.
28:23
She knows he's dumb too. Well. That's when I was watching that season
28:27
sixteen episode today It was weird to see the boys be like, Okay,
28:30
well, we're sorry for blaming Robin. It was in that scene, and
28:33
Cody kind of was like, okay, whatever. But nothing really came out
28:37
of their talk from the Kyote Pass because nothing really fucking changed. He still
28:41
stops seeing his kids. But it was just weird because then you go back
28:45
to this episode and Robin saying all this weird shit like about the Cody coaster
28:51
and how he's just a roller coaster of emotions constantly. It's really scarry.
28:55
This is concerning to be a tent to align with the other wives and say,
29:00
oh, yeah, it has been really bad, Cody has been really
29:03
angry and we've had a lot of trouble in our marriage. No, she
29:07
hasn't puppet master. Puppet master. And to make the other wives, who,
29:12
by the way heretofore, have been funneling their money into the Cody Fund,
29:18
the family fund, they've been funneling their money into the family fund,
29:21
And so she needs them to think that she is also one of them so
29:26
that they don't leave. Yeah, so that way they don't blame. So
29:30
she thinks she's playing them, and Mary starting to wake up, Janelle has
29:36
been on to her for quite some time. Christina has had her number since
29:40
season fucking one. Yeah for sure. Oh my god. The only person
29:45
doesn't really see it is Cody, I guess. I mean, unless Cody
29:49
does see it and he's okay with it and he agrees with it. Because
29:53
this was what we were talking about last week, like you don't want to
29:57
put in the effort to be with your family, to maintain your family,
30:02
to manage your family, which he says, I was Atlas holding his whole
30:04
family together. What the fuck are you talking about? I hated it,
30:07
And as soon as I shrugged, y'all just destroyed me. As soon as
30:11
I shrugged the family off, That's what he said, Like, as soon
30:15
as I did that, then you guys got all mad at me. It's
30:17
like, well, yeah, and you've been doing that the entire time,
30:22
Like what the fuck? I don't know, Beatrice. I just so the
30:27
question was like, you obviously don't want to hang out with your family,
30:30
because if you wanted to hang out with your family, you would have been
30:33
doing that. You wouldn't have taken four to five months to go and hang
30:36
out with Janelle's kids. You don't call a week goes by. You don't
30:40
call Savannah, she's right there in Flagstaff. After this argument happens and it's
30:44
Christmas, he doesn't even talk to Savannah for a week and a half or
30:47
two weeks. Why because he doesn't really want to be with his family,
30:51
but he wants it to appear like his family doesn't want to be with him.
30:55
So I don't know, I don't know. It's such a fucking mind
30:59
fuck to me, it's such a mind buck. And it's because he's a
31:00
nark, I think, and because he's got Robin in his ear saying,
31:06
Oh, you're not to blame for all of this. Look at how much
31:07
you carry, look at how much you have to do for us, Like
31:11
you have so much weight on your shoulders, being Atlas and all, and
31:15
you know it's just like not your fault, Like it's just you know,
31:21
you could never have predicted it because you've done everything right, Like she's an
31:25
his ear saying all of this and right, and second as Dick probably Impeggingham.
31:30
So this fight kind of goes around and around about COVID and who did
31:34
what, and it's just so dumb because at the end of the day,
31:37
you're not willing to go to the Airbnb and say hi to your kids even
31:41
though they would like you to do so, right, And you can't just
31:45
say I don't want to hang out with uncle people who aren't on my side,
31:48
which is what you feel and what you ultimately said to marry. This
31:52
is when at some point Janelle calls him manipulative, yes, and he's like,
31:56
okay, well, then tell me no, no, no, no,
31:59
tell me and tell the world, and he points to the camera,
32:01
all of us, tell all of them how I'm manipulating you? Because you
32:07
love to talk, don't you when you're on that fucking couch. You love
32:10
to say all this shit be how in our backs? So why don't you
32:14
tell us all right now how I manipulate you? And then she tries to,
32:17
and then he cuts her off again, over and over and over again.
32:21
He knows she's right too, like she's hitting all of the spots and
32:24
him that are triggering this too, Like she's calling him out. And I
32:29
think she had said at some point in this argument, like you want us
32:34
to well, we've already said this, but like you want to push all
32:37
of us away, and you're not admitting to that because you would rather just
32:40
ignore us, forget about us, so that way you're the one that's not
32:45
at fault. Like she says, it's my idea to leave, it's not.
32:47
It's not your grand plan the entire time, right, And he brushes
32:52
over that again too, like he's not wanting to admit that she's right.
32:55
But I know, I was kind of dissipated with Janelle because I kind of
32:59
thought she was more of an intelligent arguer, Like her argumentation skills were a
33:04
little bit better, Like there were a lot of opportunities for her to be
33:07
super calm and just state the facts. Mad, she was mad, she
33:10
got really mad, and you could see her overheating, you could see her
33:14
becoming super shorted and overwhelmed. Yeah, and he just fucking took advantage of
33:17
that like a viper, just kept striking. And she's just like her mouth
33:21
is hanging open. She keeps like, this is wild to me that you're
33:23
blaming me for all of this, as if you didn't say the things that
33:27
you've said, And she's like, yo, you can't hang your cap on
33:30
that. Over and over again. It's the same thing I told you.
33:32
I apologized for that, which is when I would have said to the boys,
33:37
Yeah, who did you apologize to for that to the cameras, because
33:42
you didn't apologize to the kids, and you certainly didn't apologize to me.
33:45
Show me where you apologize. But she can't do that because there's really no
33:50
space for Janelle and that conversation. Which is the problem fundamentally, is that
33:54
there's no space for any of the O G wives to have a relationship,
34:00
a full and healthy relationship with Cody. He doesn't want it, and there's
34:05
no place for it, no place for it at all, and he can't
34:07
have the balls to be the man and say, yeah, this is exactly
34:10
what happened, Like, I just don't want to be in a relationship with
34:14
you guys. He is so fucking wild. At no point did he take
34:17
any responsibility for anything that he did. I guarantee you if he wasn't.
34:22
If it wasn't four or five months that he was away from Gabe, Garrison
34:27
and Savannah during COVID, it was probably two or three, but I believe
34:30
it was four or five, but it was at least two or three,
34:32
and he could have said, you know, yeah, I probably should have
34:36
made more of an effort to come on over like, at no point,
34:39
Raccoons did he take any responsibility for one thing. Instead, it's like,
34:45
you have cheated me out of a relationship with my children, who I won't
34:49
call because the phone goes both ways. Yes, who I won't go and
34:52
see them on Christmas even though apparently they'd like me to be there. You,
34:55
Janelle, have cheated me out of a relationship with my kids. It's
34:59
like you're talking shit to them about me when she's literally just delivering what you
35:06
said verbatim about the kids and how this whole COVID arrangement would work out.
35:10
And in season sixteen, it was eight to nine months that they hadn't seen
35:15
him, That's what Gabe and Garrison were saying on the mountain with fucking Cody
35:21
and what did he say? And he was like, well, you guys
35:23
chose to have a social life, and they were argued, okay, So
35:25
he didn't deny the eight or nine months. No, okay, but it
35:29
was literally from March to November that they hadn't seen him, And that's why
35:32
Gabe was crying in that episode. Yeah, And Gabe had come to the
35:37
conclusion in that episode of like, you know, I put so much effort,
35:40
and I've tried. I've spent so much of my life trying to have
35:44
a relationship with this man who doesn't want to give me the same effort back.
35:49
And that was when he cried in his talking head. That is such
35:52
a profound moment and important relationships, especially like child parents, where you have
35:59
been the child who has desperately tried to please your parent, desperately tried to
36:05
stay connected to your parent, even if your parents are abusive. In fact,
36:07
children who have been abused or are in abusive households tried desperately to maintain
36:15
the relationship with their abuser because they just want to be loved, They just
36:17
want to be accepted. But like the moment of clarity that inevitably comes because
36:22
I'm from an abusive, fucking background, where you realize, oh, this
36:27
person is just an asshole. Yeah, this person is literally just to prick
36:31
and wants nothing to do with me. That is just profound and it's heavy
36:37
and it's terrible. Yeah, and it really really hurts. And he doesn't
36:42
have a shred, not an ounce of compassion for his sons who looked up
36:46
to him and thought the world of him. He doesn't give a fucking shit,
36:51
Beatrice. Now he's a despicable person. And the thing is, because
36:54
we are watching the early seasons and we're also covering this on our podcast.
36:59
If they is in season one, two and three, I can see a
37:02
glimpse of a good person in Cody. I can see optimism. I can
37:07
see curiosity and fun and like a pride in his entire family. Yeah,
37:12
but the person that we're watching in season sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen is
37:15
just a shell, a miserable shell of that person. It's really fucking gross
37:22
to see. And like one of his bros said in their little Man talk
37:25
earlier in the episode that like a lot of people during COVID have been getting
37:30
divorced because once they've been forced to spend time with each other, they realized
37:34
they don't like each other or whatever. And I just got to thinking about
37:37
COVID with this family, I'm like, it really did shed a lot of
37:40
light on a lot of the problems that they were just blatantly ignoring. Like,
37:45
if it wasn't for COVID, we probably would have had five or so
37:49
more seasons of just bullshit, bullshit of just like probably seasons nine through twelve
37:54
of sister wise where it's just like they're parading around, like they're trying to
37:58
be happy and like they try to care about each other about underlying all of
38:01
it is that Cody favorites Robin, he doesn't give a shit about Mary,
38:05
he's financially abusing Janelle, and he's neglecting Christine. It's like there's all of
38:09
this that's been under the surface this whole entire time, and then Cody can't
38:13
understand that COVID brought all this to light and now that's why he's feeling overwhelmed
38:17
and feeling like everybody hates him in the family and everybody thinks he's the bad
38:22
guy. It's like, well, you are. You want to be the
38:24
patriarch. You want to be the head of the family, you want to
38:27
be Atlas, carrying the family on your shoulders. But then you can't acknowledge
38:31
and take ownership of your failures in the family as a father, as a
38:37
husband, as a polygamist person, as the minister of the priest of the
38:43
family. Right. I don't know if he ever wanted it, Beatrice.
38:46
I feel like he wanted people to think that's what he was and because the
38:52
stupid lexus. Yeah, the stupid used lexus is a great symbol of who
38:55
Cody is. He thinks it shows people that he's got money. He thinks
39:00
it shows people that he's got taste. But it's actually tacky, it's actually
39:05
dumb, and a more functional vehicle would probably be for a minivan or a
39:09
truck. My guy, do you want everybody to think you're driving Alexis because
39:13
you're so invested in how you appear? Yeah, pride, and now that's
39:19
really all he has left. I just don't think he's really got much of
39:22
a heart. Honestly, I don't think he has much of a soul.
39:24
He's a soulless, subhuman vampire. So let's get through this conversation. So
39:30
at some point, she's like, you're manipulating me. He's like, tell
39:34
me how they're screaming. She's like, well, if you let me speak,
39:37
let me fucking speak, shut the fuck up and let me talk.
39:38
Yeah, and that is like the ultimate insult, Like, I am the
39:42
head of this goddamn house. You're not going to tell me to shut the
39:45
fuck up. He bounces up. He's like we're done. Yeah, we're
39:49
not listening to each other. There's just nothing here but a bitterness. Yeah,
39:53
there's just a bitterness here that doesn't need to be here. And she's
39:57
like, don't you blame me for the b I don't you point your fingers
40:00
at me and tell me it is all me? In other words, where
40:04
is your culpability? You love that word, apparently, where is your culpability
40:07
in all of this? And he's got none And all he does is wants
40:12
he wants to leave because she had the audacity to use vulgarity and call him
40:17
out angrily and tell him to shut the fuck up, which I totally would
40:21
have done. Dude. I would have probably assaulted him personally. I would
40:23
have probably got my fucking ninja stars and my brass knuckles and fucking worked him
40:28
over. I can't stand him for real orpe stop him. Sorry, that's
40:32
not nice, but I mean he's enraging. He's enraging because he's so terrible.
40:38
Yeah, So anyway, she's like, no, you will stay here,
40:40
you will talk to me. She goes to grab his jacket and he
40:44
pulls it away and he's like, I will not. Did you see how
40:46
he danced and pranced around And he's like, I'm not going to stay here.
40:51
I'm not going to listen to you, because I don't even remember what
40:53
his excuse was. Well, she's like, are you going to stay here
40:55
and listen to me? He said no, because you're not listening to me.
40:59
So I'm not going to listen to you. Baby. What a baby,
41:01
fucking bitch, baby diaper, you're gaslight because I use the word gaslight
41:07
just what you don't even know what that word fucking means? Her way to
41:13
argue, and so she's just like, okay, so we're done then,
41:15
and he's like yes, and he fucked you. And then he slams the
41:20
door. He slams the door, and she's like, turn it off.
41:22
And I'm like, wow, I felt that my blood pressure was high.
41:27
I was like, whoa dude, that was a lot. Thank you,
41:30
though, I mean, you laid some very necessary things bare for the audience.
41:34
We have been suspecting. We're an intuitive bunch of raccoons. Okay,
41:37
we have been suspecting all of this the entire time, but for these things
41:43
to be said. Because she tried to get into the argument that he had
41:46
favorites, yeah, and he cut her off like a couple of times she
41:51
tried to make the argument about what this is really about and why your kids
41:53
are really upset, but he wouldn't let her do it. But there was
41:58
enough set here that I felt so good. As a few I'm like,
42:00
thank you. I'm like, finally, at least something, something real,
42:06
something genuine, came out of this fucking family. It's like, because you
42:07
needed to get this out, this family needed to get this shit out.
42:10
I'm sorry, but like, you can't just sweep things under the rug for
42:15
twenty years and expect people to be okay with it. Absolutely not. I
42:21
mean, I don't even know how Robin lives with herself, like knowing that
42:24
she's been manipulating this whole thing. Like I think she's kind of sweating after
42:29
this episode, like and after this season. Yeah, I think she's a
42:31
little sweating because now she realizes now she's stuck with this angry, bitter old
42:37
man who's balding, and then she's got no finances coming in from the anger
42:43
bitter old man and Janelle, nobody's paying for her shit, Like how's she
42:46
going to pay for her house? How's she going to pay for her nanny?
42:50
How's she going to pay for her perm? Like, I don't she
42:52
can't live with herself after this, I don't think. Well, that's an
42:57
interesting thing to discuss, which I think we should continue to do, but
43:00
only after this break. So we have got to keep your lights on.
43:04
We gotta run some ads raccoons. On the other side of this, we
43:07
will talk more about Robin and this whole shit show that is Sister Wives.
43:15
All right, we are back to talk about the ship show that is Sister
43:17
Wives. And we were talking about how you think Robin is sweating a little
43:22
bit because what the cash cow is going away? Yeah, I mean I
43:27
think that they're not making enough money from like Cody and whatever his stupid businesses.
43:31
If he's making anything, I mean you said he's doing gun stuff.
43:35
Yea, So maybe he's making some money, but I mean probably not as
43:38
much as what Janelle was putting into the family pot. Well, if Janelle
43:43
had a lot of money, why is she living in a dormitory apartment?
43:45
Well, I mean she spent eighty thousand dollars on a fifth will, that's
43:49
right. So and maybe Cody was like, yeah, we can't shell out
43:52
the money that would be necessary for you to get a nice house, so
43:58
have fun in the dorm apartment. That's what I think. I think.
44:01
I do think that Robin is starting to sweat, first and foremost because it's
44:06
not the same financial situation that she signed up for. And secondarily, and
44:08
maybe even more importantly though, because Cody's a fucking freak, and because she's
44:13
going to be the only wife to spend her life with Cody who is an
44:16
unhappy person and who knows deep down inside of his cold dead heart that he
44:22
has fucked over his entire family, and so he's never going to be happy.
44:25
Yeah, what is that line from the Color Purple? Until you do
44:29
right by me? Like, until you do right by me, you will
44:31
never have a happy moment in your life. That's not the line. But
44:34
like I think, until he does right by his family, he's never going
44:37
to be happy. Oh never. And that's Robin, that's your husband.
44:42
Yep, that's going to be for you to take care of the Cody coaster,
44:45
as you called it so appropriately. I mean, you made your fucking
44:47
bed, bitch. I'm sorry, but like you had a hand in all
44:52
of this. You were culpable in him destroying all of his relationships with his
44:57
wives. Like if you are playing this dumb act like you don't know what's
45:00
actually going on, and you have no idea what was lying under the surface
45:05
this whole entire time. You're still culpable in knowing the details that he tells
45:09
you about his fucking relationships, and I don't know, maybe he's going to
45:14
her and saying that Christine's really terrible. It was Christine's whole idea to cut
45:17
off intimacy. You know, he had no idea, like what if he's
45:22
spinning a whole different narrative for Rabath that's smart. Well, I don't know,
45:25
He's not that smart. Okay. So we pick back up in the
45:30
next segment with Janelle. Cody has just stormed out of the house and we
45:36
see her talking to the camera and she's like, you know, it took
45:39
me about a half an hour to kind of calm down because that was a
45:44
really heated argument. And as soon as I did, I started worrying for
45:46
myself because I'm fifty years old, yeah, and I don't have anything.
45:51
I don't know how I ended up being this stupid by trusting and believing in
45:55
the family structure and believing that we were going to build on Kyote Pass,
46:00
And now I'm just sitting here thinking what's going to happen to me? I
46:04
can't believe she admitted to that. Thank you. I'm like, finally you're
46:07
saying what we've all been thinking this whole entire time, like why would you
46:10
do such a dumb fucking thing, Why would you make any of these dumb
46:14
financial decisions as a family, But like now I can understand. I mean,
46:17
you genuinely were believing, yes, in this dream of living on Coyote
46:22
Pass with your whole entire family and building on it, and it's never going
46:27
to happen. Unfortunately, he never really actually intended to do it ever.
46:31
And she's and she says it in this talking head like I'm literally stuck to
46:37
this land and to these asss. I have nothing. And then it switches
46:40
to a fucking talking head from Cody Brown, where Cody straight up says I
46:45
think he had said something about she could have had a house, like she
46:49
could have bought a house or something, and but she actually does have the
46:52
same assets as everybody else. I'm like, this is the kind of thing
46:57
that I can't believe is coming out of his mouth. I mean, how
47:00
do you figure like the property that you purchased with Robin, the four acres
47:06
and the big fucking house. Well, I have to house my children.
47:07
What do you want me to do? I need a house. You don't
47:09
need that fucking house. Almost a million dollar house, my guy. But
47:13
like, how do you even say that she has the same assets? Like
47:16
you already have equity in your house of almost a million dollars. She doesn't
47:21
have anything. Your name is on her fucking land, She doesn't own anything
47:24
except that fifth will. And thank god, she actually put her money,
47:28
her liquidity into an asset that's probably going to retain its value at least during
47:31
these times. It's probably going to retain its value, so she can pull
47:35
that money back out. But the audacity to side that, I cannot believe
47:40
he fucking even said that with his mouth, that she has the same assets
47:45
as everybody else. And I was watching his eyes, I know, and
47:47
he knows he's lying, knows, he's like fullish he delivers a statement like
47:52
that, and you can just see the set of his eyes like he's hoping
47:57
we're buying it. Nobody is by buying it. Nobody's buying And how ashamed
48:01
should you be after being married to Janelle for almost thirty years knowing the predicament
48:07
that she is now in and you're okay with it. She's got the same
48:12
assets. What are you all even talking about? Yeah, what's the big
48:15
idea? Can somebody please do a forensic examination of the financials of their LLC,
48:21
of which Cody was the fiduciary, which is a legal standing in position,
48:25
and if you act unethically as a fiduciary, if you misappropriate funds,
48:32
that shit is criminal. Can somebody please, Janelle, somebody, can somebody
48:37
please do a forensic examination of what he has been doing with the money.
48:40
We know Janelle has been watching the money. We know that. Janelle also
48:45
said last season, we have the fucking money. Yep, we have the
48:47
money to build. It's just that he doesn't want to use the money.
48:51
And she's also said in prior seasons that she sees where some of the money
48:54
gets allocated and she's not always okay with that. So like she's noticing,
49:00
she's noticing. But I wonder if there's like some weird money laundering thing going
49:02
on with Cody and Robin and they're funneling a lot of their money away,
49:07
maybe that's how they'll be able to survive and they're fucking McMansion being broke as
49:10
fuck, and I don't know. I just wish bad things I shouldn't wish.
49:20
We'll get people, you don't have to wish for it. Karma will
49:22
come and get them. And karma is already coming for Cody, Like,
49:25
you can have all the money, but you're clearly not unhappy. You're clearly
49:29
not happy. You can have all the money, but you are not at
49:30
peace. You can say that you are, but you are not at peace.
49:34
No, you're not at all, and you are feeling it energetically.
49:37
When he's talking about how he feels like sad and hurt at the breakup of
49:40
his family, I believe that. I think there's a part of him that
49:45
is deeply saddened that this is the state of his family. But it's like,
49:49
dude, come on, it would be It wouldn't be solved overnight,
49:52
but it would make a huge way towards healing if you just sat down with
49:59
your family, all of them, in one giant fucking room, and you
50:02
said, I'm really sorry for how poorly I've handled this situation, but I
50:06
want to work on our relationships. I want to work on the family structure
50:09
and trying to be friends with Christine and the other wives that want to leave
50:14
and just make it happy like he can't even do. The reason he doesn't
50:17
want to do that is because he has adult children now, and you can't
50:22
just say I'm sorry for what I did, let's move on. They're going
50:23
to actually hold you accountable for very specific things that you did that hurt them,
50:29
and you don't have the capacity to actually hear them out and take ownership
50:31
of each little thing. So he doesn't want to be in a room with
50:35
any of these kids. He doesn't want to do that. That's why he
50:37
doesn't want to be a part of that. Yeah, that's why he says
50:39
we have to talk about it first before Christmas, so that way we can
50:43
come to an agreement that I'm not at fault and then you can't hold me
50:46
accountable for anything that I've done and we should just sweep it under the rug
50:50
again. Yep. I am advocating for Janelle to sue these people because I
50:58
know they're not legally married. But you can't tell me she can't make a
51:01
case in a court of law that he acknowledged being married to her. You
51:07
can't tell me that she can't make a case and drag this shit out in
51:09
the courts for years if she wanted to, that would be raining his pockets,
51:14
accordingly, asking for more money, like you can't tell me that.
51:16
I'm wondering at some point if she actually threatens this, because again there is
51:22
the rumor that they pulled out one hundred and forty thousand dollars of the equity
51:24
in the McMansion around this time. So twenty twenty went around these months,
51:30
they allegedly pulled out one hundred twenty to one hundred and forty thousand dollars worth
51:35
of equity. And by the way, that's about the amount that she contributed
51:38
to the down payment of Robin's house. So maybe she made some noises about
51:44
suing them because she gets shot. I think she has a case. Maybe
51:46
she had a wake up call after that fight, because she said that there
51:50
was a finality to their fight and that she just is done at this point.
51:53
And then this is where she talks about her assets, Like maybe that
51:57
was her lightbulb moment of like, oh shit, I better do something.
52:00
I've got to do something now, or I'm looked girl girl. Hashtag team
52:08
Janelle Free Janelle Okay. Then we get to the last segment, which is
52:15
where Cody and Robin, arriving together, go to Mary's house and they all
52:22
sit outside. And here's where I just want to just acknowledge that Mary doesn't
52:25
let people into her house either. Well, maybe it's a direct thing with
52:30
Robin. Maybe they have a weird agreement. I noticed that too. I'm
52:34
like, why are you outside in the freezing fucking cold. Yeah, maybe
52:37
it is an agreement. Maybe Mary's like, you're not letting me in your
52:39
house. I'm not letting you in my house. Yeah, I don't know.
52:43
I do know. They come over to Mary's house, they're sitting outside.
52:45
Robin doesn't even take a seat. No, she just stands up the
52:49
entire time. She's not comfortable. No, she doesn't want to be there
52:52
at all. And they're there allegedly to discuss what's going to happen for Christmas.
52:57
Yeah, and this is where we have the conversation about what Mary is
53:00
going to do for Christmas Eve. But before we get there, Cody divulges
53:06
that he met up with Janelle and he's not going to be seeing his kids
53:09
for Christmas, and that he and Janelle had a big fight and here we
53:13
have Robin pretending like she didn't know any of this happened, and she's like,
53:17
what do you mean you were yelling? Really you arrived together, we
53:22
already know Cody tells you everything. You're still trying to pull one over on
53:29
the audience. I would have way more respect for you, Robin if you
53:31
said, yeah, he told me about that. Yeah, it sounded like
53:35
it was really bad. Are you okay? Right? But no, she's
53:37
got a lie to the fucking bitter end. I didn't have any idea.
53:42
What did I miss? You didn't miss anything, bitch, you orchestrated everything.
53:45
I feel like it makes it worse for her If she just doesn't be
53:50
honest. I feel like more people would respect her. I'm like, why
53:52
are you lying? Like we're not fucking stupid. Even in the episode I
53:57
watched today, season sixteen, she goes over to Jane's house and pretends to
54:02
try to be buddy buddy with her and be like, well, I really
54:07
want this family to get together. I really want us all to be one
54:10
big, happy family like it used to be. Is this when Janelle's working
54:14
in the garden and she seems really bothered by Robin being there, She's like,
54:16
okay, pitch, I'm sure you do. Yeah. I don't know
54:20
why she's doing this, well, perform said, it's performative to make the
54:23
other wives feel like she's on their side. Yes, because she does not
54:28
want them to leave. And that's because of a financial incentive. It's not
54:30
because she actually likes any of them. Yeah, she doesn't want to days
54:34
them to not be there. So Mary starts inquiring about the kids and are
54:38
the kids coming for Christmas though, And Cody's like, yeah, I don't
54:43
think so. And She's like, well, I was planning on inviting everybody
54:45
over for Christmas Eve. It my big fucking empty, sad, haunted house
54:50
and Flagstaff. And this is where Cody's like, oh, okay, is
54:53
that what you feel like you want to do? And here I will say,
54:58
Cody seems open to it. Yeah, And maybe this would be a
55:00
cool, neutral place to have the kids come, so he doesn't have to
55:05
dangn to go to their goddamn airbnb that Janelle rented with Christine, God forbid.
55:09
But maybe he can come over on Christmas Eve to Mary's house and see
55:14
his family and make maybe make some headway. And so he seems open to
55:19
it, and then we have Robin who will not sit down and get comfortable.
55:22
Say, I don't know. That sounds kind of scary to me.
55:27
You guys haven't talked about anything. Y'all are just gonna fight. It doesn't
55:30
feel safe for me and my kids. That's a wild Why is she so
55:37
against Cody being with the rest of the family. You know, I've been
55:40
looking on the reddits and that photo where it was photoshopped, where it was
55:45
Cody young, Cody with Robin's kids. It's not photoshoped. She commissioned an
55:51
artist to actually draw that, to draw it without Christine there, because it
55:54
was originally a portrait with Cody and Christine and their kids. Yes, so
56:00
like, maybe she really is this fucking I think she's crazy. She's got
56:04
to be crazy, yes, to just sit here and lie to our faces
56:08
Las Vegas. He was spending a disproportionate amount of time at Robin's. How
56:15
even though they were all in the same cul de sac. He was not
56:19
spending the nights with the other wives such as he was with Robin. So
56:23
she's been doing this for a long time. It's not COVID. This is
56:27
why I do think she's behind the rules she's but she's smarter than Cody,
56:30
and she's able to get Cody to believe it's his fucking big idea. We
56:35
see it right in the scene, right in the scene, because he's open
56:37
to going to Mary's and all of a sudden, he's not open to it
56:40
anymore, right because she says it's scary. Yep, all of a sudden,
56:44
he's like, yeah, actually, I don't really want to spend Christmas
56:46
with uncool people who don't believe in my rules. Yeah, that doesn't sound
56:51
good to me. So Mary, what do you think you're going to do?
56:52
And then Mary is like, well, I guess I'm not going to
56:55
invite anybody. Yeah, And then in her talking head it's kind of sad,
57:00
she's like, people think that I'm picking sides, but I'm really just
57:02
like going with the people that want to be around me. Like that's kind
57:08
of what she says, right, She's like, yeah, she actually says,
57:12
I don't feel like I'm necessarily a part of the married team, but
57:16
I'm also not a part of the Janelle and Christine friend team. I'm just
57:21
kind of this third wheel. And she does say it appears like she's picking
57:24
sides, but like, really, what she's doing is taking what she can
57:28
have. But I just want to bring everybody back. I want to refresh
57:31
the memory back to the patio scene when Christina is telling people that she's going
57:36
to be leaving, and Mary sits there with the Stankeist expression on her face
57:42
says, nothing isn't kind. When Janelle goes up and gives Christina hug,
57:46
She's sitting there in total judgment. Yeah, leaves with Cody and Robin.
57:51
You did pick sides, Yeah, my friend, and you have been picking
57:54
sides throughout this. You've been picking the side of the power couple. Well
58:00
and your friend, I mean, I guess because her and Robin have been
58:02
bff this whole entire fucking time. But it's Robin just manipulating Mary into being
58:09
her only ally. And I think Mary manipulating Robin as well, because she
58:15
wants to be closer to Cody. Yeah, she wants to see if there's
58:17
ever going to be an opportunity for her to be able to shoot her shot.
58:21
She has picked sides. Unfortunately she picked the wrong side. She did.
58:25
These people don't like her, they don't want her there. And now
58:29
Christine and Janelle don't like you don't want you there? Yep. So now
58:31
what are you gonna do? Well, we know that she goes on to
58:35
leave obviously, and she has been invited to different occasions. She has been
58:39
to weddings. If the kids invite her, she goes. She's trying to
58:43
be as supportive as possible to the children and be as present as possible.
58:46
Yeah, so I think she's finally chosen the right side. Do you think
58:50
we're going to see her character arc through throughout this season? I hope so.
58:53
I mean it seems like in some moments in her talking head, she's
58:57
like waking up bullshit and to like Cody not having compassion for his own kids,
59:02
and like Cody not having any kind of accountability and responsibility for his actions,
59:07
and she's saying that she's not agreeing with Robin and all of her actions
59:12
and what she's doing. It's like, okay, yeah, well, actually,
59:15
when they were talking about the dilution inherent to polygamy and how it's a
59:20
perk that if I have a cantankerous wife, I can just go over the
59:22
next one, She's like, that kind of comment makes me want to vomit,
59:25
because how about you zoom out, look at the big picture, and
59:29
then heal it as opposed to just running away, blaming people and never solving
59:32
the problem. Right. So, I think there's a lot of contrast between
59:37
the Mary that we're seeing in the footage and the Mary that we're seeing on
59:39
the couch. Yeah. Absolutely, she's waking up finally, and so she's
59:44
like, I guess, I mean it's I should just have a merry Christmas
59:46
on my own. I guess I'll go over to their house for Christmas because
59:50
I wasn't invited to the Airbnb. Which makes me very sad. This whole
59:53
thing, these three episodes have made me very sad for Mary. Me too.
59:58
I feel really bad for her. And I mean, and I know
1:00:00
Mary's not perfect either, She's not innocent in all of this. I mean,
1:00:04
she's allegedly been very harsh and abusive to some of these kids. But
1:00:07
I just feel really bad for her. Dude, she is like so alone
1:00:12
and like by herself. I'm like, where's Leon and Audrey? Like they're
1:00:14
obviously having their own separate family thing in Colorado. That's fine, they're adults
1:00:20
and that's okay. But I'm just like, I still feel really bad I
1:00:22
feel bad for Mary. She's got nobody, but she's also pushed everybody away.
1:00:27
Kind of my walls are going up, Yeah, alls are going up.
1:00:30
But like, yeah, it's sad, but here, I'm a parent,
1:00:32
okay, And if you're a parent out there, you know we make
1:00:36
mistakes. I'm a parent. I made mistakes, and sitting in this space
1:00:43
now, at this age with my daughter being an adult married, I regret
1:00:49
them. I wish I could go back and change them. Yeah, and
1:00:52
I'm going to do everything in this moment to create the kind of relationship that
1:00:58
I should have probably been creating with that kind of insight way back when she
1:01:01
was a little kid or a teenager and I didn't know what the fuck I
1:01:04
was doing. So I give that kind of grace to marry at the time
1:01:08
when she's screaming it paid and then the other kids on the side of the
1:01:10
restaurant and being a bit of a bully, and at the time she's kind
1:01:15
of shaming thekelty for wearing a normal tank top that anybody else would wear.
1:01:19
Yeah, that's inappropriate and it was harsh, But like she probably has the
1:01:23
foresight of being in her forties or fifties and looking back and saying, Wow,
1:01:27
I wish I had the opportunity to do it all over again and do
1:01:30
things differently with my children. So she has regret, and so she's currently
1:01:35
You're of Our Lord twenty twenty three, trying to show up for her children
1:01:38
now when invited, not pushing herself on people, not imposing when invited,
1:01:44
absolutely showing up on time depend's wedding and supporting and being a loving force.
1:01:50
Now speaking of Leon and Audrey, because you know, I get the Google
1:01:53
alerts and the Sister Wives in case we want to talk about the hot goss,
1:01:57
and I have noticed in several of my Google alerts this persisting story that
1:02:04
Leon and Cody have fallen out significantly because Cody is deeply unhappy with Leon's transition,
1:02:14
does not approve of it, doesn't approve of their lifestyle, and so
1:02:19
they do not talk at all. That's shitty, that's really fucking stupid.
1:02:23
But it also just plays into Cody's character because we're seeing it even now in
1:02:29
these fucking seasons where he uses COVID as an excuse to not see his family
1:02:34
and not talk to them and not interact with them at all. So I
1:02:37
mean, it's not out of the realm of Cody's bullshit for him to also
1:02:42
be fucking bigoted and like not look at your kid objectively, like even if
1:02:46
you don't agree with how they live their life, like look at their kid
1:02:49
and be like, I still love you though, you're still my baby,
1:02:52
and I raised you and I love you, and I changed the debuties and
1:02:55
I love you very much, and like we don't have to agree on everything,
1:02:59
but I still want to be your dad and be a part of your
1:03:00
life. That's just it makes me feel like again, everything's performative with him,
1:03:07
and everything is performative with Robin. Remember Gwen said when she came out,
1:03:12
Robin told her to save it for the cameras, or we should have
1:03:14
done this on camera. And remember when Leon came out, it was Robin
1:03:16
who was the first one to get up and to support Leon. And I'm
1:03:21
like, performative, performative, performative, And yeah, so now they've fallen
1:03:25
out, and maybe this is why Leon and Audrey don't really come back to
1:03:30
Flagstaff because Cody's there and Cody is harshly judging their lifestyle, so they don't
1:03:37
want to be around Cody. And Mary is caught on the crossfires of that.
1:03:42
Mary is making the fucking choice. Isn't she to stay in Flagstaff?
1:03:45
She doesn't have to. She has B and B in Parowan, which she
1:03:49
ultimately is going to relocate too. But she's trying. She's really trying to
1:03:53
make something come together with her and Cody. It's just so weird. I
1:03:59
wonder how even feels with that too, Like if they have really truly had
1:04:03
this really bad falling out with Cody, which I think is true, I'm
1:04:06
sure, Like if that happened, then how does Leon feel seeing their mom
1:04:13
try to have this relationship with Cody and Robin? Like the very people that
1:04:16
like don't accept Leon for who they are, you know, Like I don't
1:04:20
know, I want to hear from more of these adult children. I do
1:04:24
too. Oh my gosh, what I would give for like a Vice documentary
1:04:27
with these kids, Oh my god. We like Leon has never really been
1:04:31
super supportive of Mary. Maybe that's a bit judgmental, and maybe when they
1:04:36
were younger they were more supportive, But I just don't really see Leon as
1:04:42
somebody who would show up for Mary, yeah, and kind of be that
1:04:46
shoulder for Mary to cry on. And that's pretty sad, but it is
1:04:49
what it is. And I feel bad for Mary, but like currently she
1:04:51
seems to be living her best life, traveling around and of course there was
1:04:56
that guy we talked about on the Raccoon Kiki and maybe some of a love
1:05:00
interest from Hawaii. Honey's name is JD or something like that. And yes,
1:05:03
Mary, get out there, put yourself out there. Christine put herself
1:05:08
on a dating app and found David Woolley in like two seconds and is now
1:05:12
getting married and has a beautiful house. And Mary, you can have the
1:05:15
same thing if you want it. Maybe she wants time to heal, but
1:05:17
you can have it too, and that's fine, you know, but preferably
1:05:20
get somebody who's a biker and writes Harley Davids and it's a woman because we
1:05:26
feel like maybe, I mean that's what you should see. Well, she's
1:05:33
everybody's a big old all right. Then we get to the preview and we
1:05:39
see everybody having their separate Christmas is sad. We see that Cody has not
1:05:44
called Savannah in a week and a half. Wild dude at Christmas? Yeah
1:05:49
at Christmas. But of course it's not his fault, right. The phone
1:05:53
goes both ways? Right, and we see Cody's Oklahoma friends saying that Robin
1:05:59
and any remaining wives are in for a ride with Cody. See, and
1:06:02
I was watching this with my wife, Yeah, and she said at that
1:06:05
preview that that guy, Nathan I think it was, backed himself into a
1:06:12
hole while saying that, and he knew he shouldn't have said that because he
1:06:15
said Robin's in for it, and so are the otherwise, all right,
1:06:19
So he knows. And he's the one that's got a wife leaving him too
1:06:23
because he's a polygamist. And I'm sure he did nothing wrong too in his
1:06:27
marriage too, all right. So that brings us to the end of this
1:06:30
episode. I know we kind of went long, but I just I'm crazy
1:06:32
and I I was just flipping the fuck out when I was watching this,
1:06:35
and then I had to watch it again. My husband he's making jerky today
1:06:39
and he's like, are you watching that crazy man again? In the same
1:06:43
argument, I'm like, I have to, it's my jaw pod. But
1:06:46
I mean, I was really upset. I'm so upset at this terrible,
1:06:50
toxic display. And what makes me even more upset is that Cody is never
1:06:55
going to realize that he's at fault for it. He's always going to think
1:06:58
that Janelle was the wrong one in argument, and that's what chaps my hide
1:07:01
the most. We better get a good tell all at the end of the
1:07:05
season. No Suki, no ski. We don't need her. All right,
1:07:11
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