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Britney Spears, OJ Confession and Child Actors with Eden Sher · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 3: Hannah McDonald. Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. All right, let's get
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  Speaker 2: into it. Lots of hot topics and updates and then
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  Speaker 2: a real fun interview. So people are concerned. TMZ is
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  Speaker 2: saying people are concerned. Of course, Britney Spears doesn't have comments.
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  Speaker 2: She hasn't for a long time on her posts, but
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  Speaker 2: it was her birthday and she was talking and it
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  Speaker 2: was weird. Now it could be a joke. She's turning 42.
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  Speaker 2: And she says, I'm not 42. I'm actually five now
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  Speaker 2: and I'm going to kindergarten. And look at my my
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  Speaker 2: friend gave me this cute little cupcake. And then she
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  Speaker 2: went on to say, I don't know why the paparazzi
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  Speaker 2: had me going on a plane holding a torch. I
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  Speaker 2: was not holding a torch. So then I'm like, what
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  Speaker 2: is this about? So I look and it shows her
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  Speaker 2: going on a plane and she's like a weird like
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  Speaker 2: like a bandana mask on her mouth. And then she's
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  Speaker 2: holding like a grill lighter, like how you'd hold like
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  Speaker 2: a lighter for like a fire pit or whatever. And
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  Speaker 2: she's going on a plane. So people were like, usually
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  Speaker 2: those things aren't allowed on planes. So I don't know
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  Speaker 2: why she was holding it. But she was. And hopefully
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  Speaker 2: they didn't let her light it on it or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: If it's a private plane, they're probably like, hey, we
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  Speaker 2: need to take that from you. I don't know. She
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  Speaker 2: seems to be in Mexico. And, you know, she's continuing
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  Speaker 2: to spin around and dance. And here's the thing. It's
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  Speaker 2: what I've been saying for a while. so what, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is her life. This is what she likes to do.
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  Speaker 2: This is how she likes to be creative. And whether
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  Speaker 2: she thinks she's five or not, she still doesn't need
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  Speaker 2: to be in any kind of conservative ship. Um, hopefully
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  Speaker 2: I imagine somebody still helping to make sure her electric
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  Speaker 2: bill is paid and that she always has, you know,
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  Speaker 2: enough money to carry out her life in her house.
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  Speaker 2: But other than that, I think she has a right
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  Speaker 2: to live and you have a right to follow her
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  Speaker 2: or not. Um, Peacock has a three-part series documentary that
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  Speaker 2: I watched last night called Girls Gone Wild, The Untold Story.
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  Speaker 2: For some of you that are following me for a
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  Speaker 2: long time may know that I, too, did an interview
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  Speaker 2: with Joe Francis, who was the creator, owner, president of
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  Speaker 2: Girls Gone Wild. This was for a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: that are younger might go, what is the story? I'm
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  Speaker 2: not that interested. I don't know about it. I thought
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  Speaker 2: the documentary was really good. Having known him for many years,
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  Speaker 2: I have many thoughts about it. There was a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things that was left out that I find really interesting.
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  Speaker 2: And so I wanted to let you guys know if
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  Speaker 2: you're part of Patreon or part of the Apple subscription,
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  Speaker 2: that will be what this Friday's episode is about because
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  Speaker 2: there's lots of juice in there that I'd like to
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  Speaker 2: share what happened after I did my interview and how
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  Speaker 2: it pertains to what's in the docs. So, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you might want to watch the doc before you listen
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  Speaker 2: or you can listen and then go watch the doc.
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  Speaker 2: It won't really matter. But I wanted to let you
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  Speaker 2: guys know that. So you go to HeatherMcDowell.net and you
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  Speaker 2: and you'll get that episode. Very interesting thing. This is
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  Speaker 2: reported everywhere. TMZ is saying OJ Simpson's ex-bodyguard claims to
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  Speaker 2: have a murder confession recording. The cops have revealed, police officers,
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  Speaker 2: that law enforcement in Bloomington, they have access to these
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  Speaker 2: thumb drives. It was part of another investigation where now
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  Speaker 2: this former bodyguard, I guess they either found it or
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  Speaker 2: he gave it to them. But allegedly on these thumbnails
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  Speaker 2: is OJ confessing. to the murders of Nicole Brown Simpson
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  Speaker 2: and Ron Goldman. And also, allegedly, there's a mention of
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  Speaker 2: some other person that was involved. Wow, this is really juicy. We,
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  Speaker 2: you know, most of us believe he was responsible. But
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  Speaker 2: just like the JonBenet situation, which we don't know at
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  Speaker 2: all for sure who did it, You always wonder, was
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  Speaker 2: there somebody else involved in this, you know, with OJ?
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  Speaker 2: When he wrote the book, If I Did It, it
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  Speaker 2: was very strange. And he made it, and it was
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  Speaker 2: basically a friend was with me. A lot of people
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  Speaker 2: interpreted that as that was his second psychosis, like second
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  Speaker 2: personality that did it. Other people wondered, was his older
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  Speaker 2: son ever involved? That was another conspiracy theory. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, but this is very interesting. I'm assuming whoever
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  Speaker 2: this bodyguard is has something to do with whatever other case.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe this is helping his situation be like, hey, I
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  Speaker 2: know you're looking at me for this one other crime,
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  Speaker 2: but will you take some peace? Because here are these tapes.
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  Speaker 2: The guy is dead now, but I'm telling you, I
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  Speaker 2: have these thumb drives I've saved all this time. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. I'm very curious to see how this turns out. Also,
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  Speaker 2: another case, the Menendez brothers. Our new DA has said
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  Speaker 2: that he's going to be looking at all the things
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  Speaker 2: that we've discussed of what might change. There was hope
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  Speaker 2: that there would be something that would happen. They'd be
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  Speaker 2: out for Christmas. Now he's saying by January 30th is
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  Speaker 2: when there'll be some type of a decision of resentencing,
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  Speaker 2: which could result in them being released. Um, Changing it
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  Speaker 2: to manslaughter, which means that the time would have been
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  Speaker 2: almost served since they've done 35 years, or some type
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  Speaker 2: of retrial or whatever. But we won't know until January 30th.
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  Speaker 2: But one thing that he said that was really great,
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  Speaker 2: our new DA, is that he's like, look, this got
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  Speaker 2: a lot of media attention, and I think that's good.
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  Speaker 2: But I also want to say that I will be
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  Speaker 2: looking at similar type cases that need to be relooked
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  Speaker 2: at that didn't have this media attention. This is not
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  Speaker 2: going to, you know, jump to the front of the
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  Speaker 2: line just because you enjoyed a Netflix documentary or scripted
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  Speaker 2: show about it. But it was really good. He goes,
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  Speaker 2: but also that's good because take this time to like
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  Speaker 2: be interested in other cases that maybe don't have such
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  Speaker 2: high profile. that maybe need to be re-looked at, re-examined,
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  Speaker 2: Innocence Project, that kind of stuff. So I thought that
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  Speaker 2: was really cool. Okay, this story is so sad and strange.
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  Speaker 2: This is a story of Hannah, who was the young
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  Speaker 2: woman who came from Hawaii to LAX, and then she
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  Speaker 2: and her boyfriend were supposed to get on another plane
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  Speaker 2: and go to New York. They were no longer together.
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  Speaker 2: They were broken up, but somehow they were traveling together.
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  Speaker 2: He went on to New York and she never got
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  Speaker 2: on the plane. He has cooperated with police. She sent
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  Speaker 2: strange texts from her phone saying, someone's trying to take
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  Speaker 2: my identity and this and that. But there was, she
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  Speaker 2: was caught on surveillance for several days after that. And
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  Speaker 2: then nothing passed November 11th. Well, then unfortunately the dad
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  Speaker 2: came from Hawaii looking for her and he, they have
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  Speaker 2: declared that he, um, Ended his life. It sounded like
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  Speaker 2: he jumped from the parking structure in the LAX. Allegedly,
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  Speaker 2: the thought is, so distraught, where is my daughter? Is
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  Speaker 2: she being trafficked? Whatever. Now the police are saying they
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  Speaker 2: have surveillance of her and records of her entering Mexico
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  Speaker 2: on foot by herself, looking unharmed, undistressed. And so now
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  Speaker 2: it is changing to a voluntary missing persons case. There
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  Speaker 2: also has been reports that this is not the first
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  Speaker 2: time that she's done something like this. Very hard, very strange,
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  Speaker 2: awful for the family. You know, why she doesn't know
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  Speaker 2: that people are looking for her. Does she know this
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  Speaker 2: happened to her dad? But the point is, there's really
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  Speaker 2: nothing more that the police can do at this point.
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  Speaker 2: So I wanted to give a follow up on that.
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  Speaker 2: Khloe Kardashian, let me tell you something. She looks great.
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  Speaker 2: She's in this bustle cover shoot. But the ass is gone,
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  Speaker 2: you guys. The Kardashian ass era is behind us, no
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  Speaker 2: pun intended. And I could not be more thrilled. As
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  Speaker 2: you know, I don't have a great ass, but I
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  Speaker 2: don't have to look at it. So I was always like,
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  Speaker 2: when is this going to go away? People would say, Heather,
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  Speaker 2: why don't you get asked fillers, why don't you get
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  Speaker 2: a BBL? I can't believe that you're making us suffer
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  Speaker 2: walking behind you. And now it's out of style. okay?
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  Speaker 2: Literally in this photo shoot, she's covering it and even
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  Speaker 2: the little bit that we see is not huge. Kim's
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  Speaker 2: ass has gone down too. Anyway, in this article, she
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  Speaker 2: talks about weight and whatever, but I just thought that
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  Speaker 2: was interesting. One thing she said was she had a
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  Speaker 2: therapist that she shared something very intimate with when she
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  Speaker 2: was going through her struggles with her first husband, Lamar. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I guess that's her only husband, Lamar. And something came
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  Speaker 2: out in the tabloids and she knew there's no way,
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  Speaker 2: I literally told no one else in the world this information,
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  Speaker 2: I'm leaving therapy and I'm going to the gym. And
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  Speaker 2: that's how she got so fit. And she's like, I
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  Speaker 2: wish Ozempic was around back when I was struggling. And
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  Speaker 2: I called myself the funny fat sister, but it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: And I've just been on a workout journey for a
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  Speaker 2: long time. And she really has. She's been this size
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  Speaker 2: for like at least, you know, around this size for
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  Speaker 2: at least 10 years. And she looks great. And so
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  Speaker 2: that was interesting. Speaking of people who look great, people
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  Speaker 2: are always obsessed with Donatella Versace's weird plastic surgery face. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, people will be like, oh my God, what
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  Speaker 2: did she do to herself? She looked like a Muppet.
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  Speaker 2: She's like very strange. Well, it's amazing what plastic surgery
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  Speaker 2: has emerged to. And this is the golden era of
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  Speaker 2: plastic surgery. My God, she looks so good. She got
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  Speaker 2: rid of that skin tight ponytail. She has like a
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  Speaker 2: normal facelift. She has eyebrows. She looks amazing. She looks
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  Speaker 2: so good. People, save your money because plastic surgery is
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  Speaker 2: only getting better. And if that's something that you want
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  Speaker 2: to do, it's your choice to do it. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the point is everyone needs to be happy. Because Matt Rife,
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  Speaker 2: you know, one of our top comedians, says, I never
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  Speaker 2: got plastic surgery. I was a late bloomer. I was
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  Speaker 2: a late bloomer because when people put his early photographs
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  Speaker 2: of him together to now, he didn't have this like
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  Speaker 2: chiseled jawline looking like a very good looking model face. Again,
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  Speaker 2: we're never going to know for sure. And who cares?
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  Speaker 2: You know what? Either go and watch his stand up
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  Speaker 2: or not. Like, there you go. But he is saying, no,
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  Speaker 2: I did not have anything done. Meanwhile, Pamela Anderson is
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  Speaker 2: still on her journey of going to red carpets with
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  Speaker 2: her perfect body and no makeup and not even like
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  Speaker 2: a blowout. Like literally she took a shower, let her
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  Speaker 2: hair dry naturally, and just like put on her dress
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  Speaker 2: and went. Like maybe she put on some body lotion,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe she didn't. I don't know. She still looks great. Well,
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  Speaker 2: when you're that perfect looking, good for her. But I'm
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  Speaker 2: kind of curious, will she keep this up forever? Or
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  Speaker 2: does she know this is just such a great kind
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  Speaker 2: of PR marketing? I love it. Again, I think you
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  Speaker 2: should be any size you want. You want to get
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  Speaker 2: plastic surgery. You want to, you know, wear a wig.
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  Speaker 2: You want to change your teeth. You want to not
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  Speaker 2: do any of that bullshit. You want to shave your head, whatever. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a great era of time, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, she is not like naturally has the most
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  Speaker 2: like perfect face. So she's still killing it. Kind of jealous.
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  Speaker 2: This was kind of interesting. JFK grandson. Okay. So, um, JFK,
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  Speaker 2: this is JFK jr's nephew. He did a little thirst
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  Speaker 2: trap and he's good looking. He's Caroline, his sister's son.
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  Speaker 2: And he did a thirst trap cause he broke up
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  Speaker 2: with somebody. But in this photo, um, He has the
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  Speaker 2: phone and it's kind of covering his face and he
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  Speaker 2: has a good body, he's thin and he's worked out.
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  Speaker 2: And he has this like beanie on and with the
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  Speaker 2: phone in the selfie kind of covering his face, he
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  Speaker 2: really does look like JFK Jr. Back in the day
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  Speaker 2: when JFK Jr. used to ride his bike around New York,
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  Speaker 2: the streets of New York shirtless with just a beret on. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that's one of those weird things where it's
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  Speaker 2: like your memory, you know, how people talk about how like,
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  Speaker 2: Does the little guy in the Monopoly have a monocle
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  Speaker 2: or not? And everyone's like, no, he does. And then
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  Speaker 2: you really look at the Monopoly and he doesn't. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if he was. There were just a lot
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  Speaker 2: of photos of JFK Jr. in a beret and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of him shirtless. So it doesn't really make sense
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  Speaker 2: that he'd have a beret, but maybe like a knit beanie.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. But this was this is why they chose.
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  Speaker 2: I know whoever put this article together at People is
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  Speaker 2: probably from my era and like remembers being like so
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  Speaker 2: hot for JFK Jr. and seeing the resemblance. Real Housewives
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  Speaker 2: of Beverly Hills, some interesting things have come out. Jennifer Tilly,
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  Speaker 2: who is an actress, voiceover actress, everything, is on the show.
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  Speaker 2: And she revealed that she is so freaking wealthy, this
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  Speaker 2: is the best story ever. Not only is she an actress,
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  Speaker 2: but we know actresses don't make that much money. But
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  Speaker 2: she was married to the Simpson co-creator Sam Simon. And
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  Speaker 2: She divorced him in 1991, but in the divorce, she
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  Speaker 2: got a portion, a percentage of The Simpsons. Now, in 1991,
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  Speaker 2: when they got divorced, who would have known the show
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  Speaker 2: was probably just a couple years out, that it would
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  Speaker 2: be what it is, still going on. And he did
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  Speaker 2: pass in 2015, but she is still making bank. Now,
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  Speaker 2: that is the way you get divorced. Some of these
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  Speaker 2: housewives that I've talked about, oh, I'll take this, you know,
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  Speaker 2: settlement 1.4. Sometimes that's your only choice or whatever million.
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  Speaker 2: And people go, wow, that's a lot of money. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but then it ends. Then it stops. If there is
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  Speaker 2: some business, you know, you never know if you have,
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  Speaker 2: if there's some business that you were around for that
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  Speaker 2: either your husband did or maybe you were part of
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, that you can try to get a percentage
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  Speaker 2: of that. Vice versa, same with the man, your partner.
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  Speaker 2: You have got to be smart about that because, wow,
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  Speaker 2: what a genius move. And now she's on The Housewives.
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  Speaker 2: She's being funny. She's got nothing to lose. She's, you know, single.
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  Speaker 2: I assume she's single. She doesn't have to, like, worry about, like,
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  Speaker 2: ending a marriage or dragging some crotchety husband that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to be there. She has money. She can have fun.
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  Speaker 2: And she's probably like, fuck it. Yeah, I'll do this
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: stupid reality show. What the fuck do I have to lose? Like,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't want me next year, if I don't
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  Speaker 2: want to do it next year, who cares? That is
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  Speaker 2: who we want. Genius. Also, this was interesting. This comes
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: from FaceReality16, an Instagram account that I really like. So
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Kyle and Dorit are having issues. And Kyle mentions, oh, yeah, PK.
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  Speaker 2: Dorit's estranged husband. They're separate now. And I still send
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  Speaker 2: funny memes and things to each other. And the question was,
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: since we're keeping score, this seems worse than a teddy thing.
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  Speaker 2: Someone said this. Yeah, I truly believe that when a
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  Speaker 2: couple breaks up, especially any couple, any couple, heterosexual, gay,
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  Speaker 2: whoever you're the closest person to, whoever your relationship is
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  Speaker 2: stronger with, but especially if it's heterosexual, I think You
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  Speaker 2: got it. You don't have to be rude, but you
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  Speaker 2: don't continue to correspond with the soon to be ex.
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  Speaker 2: You don't go, let's go have dinner with you and
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  Speaker 2: your new girlfriend. Why? What does it matter? No, you
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  Speaker 2: got to show some loyalty. And if maybe he was
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: sending you funny things, I would even just stop like responding.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's over. Like you're, you and my friend are
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  Speaker 2: separated until you work out your shit. We're not going
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  Speaker 2: to talk. We're Again, team to read on all of this.
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  Speaker 2: This was really interesting. This is coming from also friend
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  Speaker 2: of the show. Your moms are watching. So this, this
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  Speaker 2: Instagram account, Kyle is reading this book. Kyle Richards is
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  Speaker 2: reading a book, which is Moon Zappa's book about, it
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  Speaker 2: was her memoir. Moon Zappa was the original Valley girl.
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  Speaker 2: She wrote the song and performed it at 13. She's
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  Speaker 2: a Valley girl. Like, Ooh, Oh my God. And it, it,
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you. Valley Girl came out. My sister
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  Speaker 2: and I went to Hawaii for Christmas, the one and
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  Speaker 2: only time we went to Hawaii with my parents. And
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  Speaker 2: when we said we were from the Valley, it was
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  Speaker 2: like we were rock stars for the first time ever.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody was like, do you know Valley Girls? Do you
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  Speaker 2: go to the Galleria? Yeah, we do. Anyway, she sees
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  Speaker 2: that she's reading the book in one of the scenes.
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  Speaker 2: She looks up the book and sees that she believes
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  Speaker 2: that a character named Elle was actually Kyle Richards, which
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• 19:44
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• 21:40
  Speaker 3: This exclusive place that Dad has connections with. They have
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  Speaker 3: more cars for more dealerships than like anywhere else.
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  Speaker 2: You have to put me in touch. What's it called?
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  Speaker 4: Where?
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  Speaker 2: Dunaidial.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I got it on Dundale Cars.
• 21:58
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• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Please. Are you going past Kimmage?
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, Kimmage.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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• 22:07
  Speaker 4: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 22:10
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• 22:13
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  Speaker 3: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
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  Speaker 5: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
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  Speaker 5: filed against me.
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  Speaker 2: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
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  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I need a home dad. What happens next? When I
• 22:40
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• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 22:46
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• 22:48
  Speaker 2: It's about what happens next. I decided to risk it all.
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• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Um, so for the something about her sandwich shop, Ariana
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: and Katie of Vanderpump rules, they are going to trial.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: They are going to trial with the woman, um, Penny Davidi. Um,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: she is suing them saying that I was supposed to
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: be a partner in this. I helped them come up
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: with the menu. I did all these things. And they said, No,
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: that's not true. And one of the things that she says,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I introduced them to boys on boys and cheese. You know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: the cheese that's like it's better out forever. It's it's
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: been it like really made a lot of tick tock
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: recipes a hit. Like you just put it and then
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: there's like a lot of recipes where you're like, oh,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: put this chunk of cheese in a pan and just
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: throw some cherry tomatoes around a little olive oil, salt
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: and pepper. And I don't know. Then just like throw
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: some pasta in a later and there it's whatever. But
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I guess she said, put this cheese, you know, on
• 24:17
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• 24:20
  Speaker 2: that's part of the thing she said they had no
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: idea about. They never heard of the cheese. They didn't
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: know about the cheese without her. They wouldn't know what
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: spread on the sandwich. I can't believe this is going
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: to trial, but it is. And so that's kind of interesting.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: And then a lot of people are like, what is
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Tom Sandoval going to do? Is he going to continue
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: with his cover band? What? Because he doesn't seem to
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that he filmed any of the Valley like some of
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: the other cast. Well, he is going to do trivia,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: Vanderpump trivia shows. And I actually think that's a really
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: great idea. A lot of people can answer a lot
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: of the questions. You know, how much nostalgia will there
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: be in the upcoming years? Will it live on? Or
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: just let me just, you know, jump on this now
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: while it's still hot before everyone forgets. So kind of interesting.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: All right, you guys. Now for my interview. I'm really
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: excited for you to hear it. Let's go. Hello and
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have what I think is
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: gonna be a very juicy interview and a fun one
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: because I loved watching you. This is the star, best
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: known from the hit sitcom, The Middle, but you've done
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: so much. Eden Sher, welcome to Juicy Scoop for the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: first time.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: to be here.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Somehow I started following you, must have seen something funny
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: that you did, and saw that you were doing a
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: one-woman show about your life. I was on a sitcom.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: and so then we started to dm and i'm so
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: glad that you're that you came.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: I'm so glad that you started following me because then
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: i was like wait a second i know her i
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: know heather mcdonald and then i started following you back
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: and then yeah you messaged me and i was like
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: i'll do your podcast yes you're hilarious of course so
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: i want.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: To get into a little bit about your life for
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: those of you that don't know the show the middle
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: it was One of the funniest sitcoms. How many years
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: did it go?
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Eight?
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Nine.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Nine years. And it was one of the shows that
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I did watch with my kids. We were just talking
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: about our ages. You have identical twin girls who are three.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I do. And I was telling you how my kids
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: are now 25, 22, and 18. But we loved the
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: middle because it was so clever. And I'm telling you,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: you guys should go back and watch it, especially if
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you have kids in that teenage age. because it was
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: such a clever show, and it was so funny. The
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: writing was so funny, and it was a sitcom, but
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: it was single camera, meaning you don't hear the laughter.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: It's Patricia Heaton, who is the wife in Everyone Loves Raymond,
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: but a very different character. Much funnier in this.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I mean, I think she's a comedy god. She can
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: do no wrong. But in re-watching it now, because now
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I have a podcast. I'm doing a re-watch podcast of
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: the show. So you can watch along with me and Brock,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: who played Brad.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Who was your boyfriend?
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: My boyfriend. My gay boyfriend. You guys did things that
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: nobody had done yet. That was so funny. So, I mean,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: your character was kind of... Can I say dorky?
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Of course you can.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Please do. Are you kidding? Dorky, but so unaware that
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: you're dorky, which I love, like super positive. Teenage daughter
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: who is the middle of the three, older brother who's
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: kind of like, I mean, we died because the older
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: brother reminded us of my son, Drake. And then you
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: were just the girl that was just so, and then
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: the little brother was typical third little brother where like,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Constantly I remember there was one scene where they're at
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: the airport and she's just, what was the little brother's name? Brick.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: Brick.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Where's Brick? Constantly thinking Brick is going to be lost
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: or die or whatever. And just such distinct, I've never
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: seen such funny distinct characters for the kids. In any sitcom.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: I was so prepared to become a prop. Because that's
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: like in Raymond. The kids are sort of. you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: they're there when they need to be there for a story.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: But I, so I was like, if I stay on
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: the show for longer than, you know, a season of like,
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: what a, what a, what a, what a gift. I
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: thought I'd just become like sort of part of the
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: fabric of the, like the house, but they really did.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I was, I've talked about it with Brock all the time,
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: like how they really, but maybe they sort of lucked
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: out and having like, you know, fully formed and like
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: comedic actors for all three kids. And so yeah, we
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: get to like, we got our own, we got storylines.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: We became like part of the show, not in that,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: not in the like kid prop genre.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, I just,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I loved the whole idea of the show was the middle.
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: She's in the middle of the country. She's middle aged.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: You know, she's middle class. And Like I said, it
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: was just one of those shows where you just are like, wow,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the writing is really great. It's lightning in a bottle
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: when you have all the great actors. Who's the guy
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: that played the dad?
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: Neil Flynn.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: Neil Flynn. And he was so great. And I saw
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: a clip of you guys interviewing him. And you were
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: asking him all these pop culture things. and seeing what
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: he knew and what he didn't. And it was just
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: so genuine and just like raw funniness. So I love
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: that you, do you keep in touch with all the people?
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm still, I mean, my one woman show, Charlie,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: Charlie who played Axel, he and his wife directed it.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's the older brother.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: That's the older brother. He is still one of my
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Best friends. Neil, he was just on the podcast. We
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: have a very identical, we have a very similar relationship.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Everything you see on screen is very similar to off screen. Patti,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: still texts, she still checks up on me. She's all
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: over the place. She's never in LA. I don't see
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: her that much.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: She has a new show coming out, doesn't she? Does she?
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I thought I read somewhere that she and Kelsey Grammer
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: were doing something.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: She did a thing on Frasier.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. I don't think it's coming out.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: She can't stop. She cannot stop working. This woman won't stop.
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: She is a workhorse. I didn't know this and I'm
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: not surprised.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: But no, I love Patty and I love Neil and
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: they're my friends.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: So let's get a little bit into it and then
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: we'll talk more about the show because I could go
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: on forever. But for the people that don't know the show,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: I want this to be, you know, interesting. So you
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: were born and raised in L.A. So was I. You were? Yes.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, where are you from?
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Woodland Hills.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: Valley Girls also?
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I grew up in Van Nuys, Sherman Oaks, and then
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: moved to Van Nuys.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Well, Lake Balboa.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: So I talk a lot about my life, but we
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: got an agent because the people next door, their kids
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: had an agent. That's so funny. And then they were like, oh,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: you should meet our agent, which was this woman named
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Iris Burton who's kind of famous. And there was a
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: movie and Sharon Stone played her in this like, what
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: was this movie? It was called like the, it was
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: this crazy movie that came out maybe 10 years ago
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: about like the worst movie ever called The Room. Oh, uh-huh.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Do you remember The Room? Yeah, yeah. So Sharon Stone
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: played this, like her name was Iris Burton. She played
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: this agent who was a child's agent, but she had
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: some involvement in this weird like movie that existed. Oh, wow.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: So she was just like this woman that was like,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: I need a set of twins. And I remember I
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: did an impression of her because then she started to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: represent my niece and nephew many years later. And it
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: was like, I need a set of twins because they
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: can work twice the amount of time and all this.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: So that was my situation. So how did you get into,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: and I was not ahead or anything.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: Wait.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I didn't do anything as a kid.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Are you a twin?
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: No.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: You're not a twin.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay. No.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: I had a sister. They did a little bit more commercials.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: My one sister did a lot of commercials. We were
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: not that successful at it. I wasn't. And then I just,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: you know, then I pursued it as an adult. But
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't have like a, like once we aged out
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: of like this little age gap where they said, oh,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: now you've lost your teeth. Goodbye. Like she never called
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: us again. Then my mom was doing real estate and whatever.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: We moved on.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: But you kind of have an interesting story of how
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: you caught the bug in L.A. So tell me that.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, I my parents were not in the industry
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: at all. My I mean, my mom.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Like I mean, I feel like the valley is also
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: like a different place. The valley is not like Hollywood.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: The valley is super suburban. Like I never felt like
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: I was in L.A. Yeah. Except for the fact that
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: I knew I was I was like I was really
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: precocious as a kid.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: I'm a smart person, but I was a really smart.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: Kid, child.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Everyone just caught up to me eventually.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: You were studious? You were very studious?
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: Everything.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I remember seeing my peers being like, you are idiots.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: I don't understand how you're not understanding what I'm understanding.
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: And I think when you're a little kid who... understands
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: the world, understands adults and like can talk to adults well.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: There's just like a different, like a combination of understanding
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: adults and like being able to interact with adults and
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: also having just like too many feelings. Just huge, huge,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: overpowering feelings. I feel like when you find theater or acting,
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: when you find this concept of acting, it's like eye opening.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: It is world broadening. And I feel like I found
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: this pretty young And so, and I watched like No Shade,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Hilary Duff. What a lovely human. What a lovely human
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: and so fun. And like, honestly, just a great, great talent, actors, whatever.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: But I watched Lizzie McGuire and I was like, I
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: could do that better. I'm like, that's.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: That's so funny. There was some other actor that told
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: me that, that it was something that they were, I
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: can't remember who it was, but that is a common
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: theme that I've read where children, actors that are quite successful,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: it was the same thing that they were just home
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: watching things and they're like, I could, you know, I
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: could be that. I could do that better. That is
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: so interesting.
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And well, I also think child actors, especially ones that
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: are on sitcoms and stuff, they are highly intelligent because
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: they have to be in a room with adults. They
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: have to be able to read or memorize very quickly. Yeah. So,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and very, you know, and be able to focus. And
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: also I think, so the one, you know, two commercials
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: I got, one of the commercials was, um, you know,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Marine land, whatever, which was like a poor man's sea world.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: And it was, it's now where that Terranea is in
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: Palos Verdes, that hotel anyway. So it was there. And
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: so we, I had to like be like, look, and
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: it was Shamu or some whale or whatever had a baby.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: And I always had to be like, look, there's the baby.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: And I'm so excited. My commercial's coming. I'm finally going
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: to be like, we're watching TV all the time. And
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: then we see, the news thing saying that like Shamu
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: freaked out and like killed her baby.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: So all my mom's like, well, your commercial's not going
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: to be seen.
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: Oh my God.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: My other sister was doing something else with the dolphins.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: So she's like, well, my commercial still be seen. And
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: I was like, yes. And then we just watched my
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: sister with the dolphins. And I'm like me hanging onto
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: this like hot guy. I'm like, this guy's my dad.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Cause my dad was, my dad was 45 when he
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: had me. So he already had gray hair. He was fit, but.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: they gave me this like 25 year old cause I'm
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: like five and I'm like, I can't believe this guy
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: is going to be my dad. So, um, anyway, I,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: it was, I remember I had a, um, at one
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: of these times or whatever, I had like a, a,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: a teacher for the day. It was a different commercial
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: and I, and they were trying to teach me how
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: to read, um, time at school, like a clock.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: And then I had a private tutor and in one,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: one moment of, of being with a one-on-one situation. She
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: explained how to read a clock. And I was like,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: and then later on in life, I was like, oh
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: my God, that's why Brooke Shields is going to Princeton.
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: And that's why these kids are so smart, because they're
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: not in regular school, quite honestly, and they were probably
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: really smart to even get into acting as a kid.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: I feel like it's more, that's like a chicken or
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: the egg situation. Like, yeah, they're probably smart to begin with.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: And then having that one-on-one attention, like, you know, fosters
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: that intelligence. But I will say, like, I went to
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: public school. I wasn't homeschooled. And, like, and I.
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I was good at math and I
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: could read a clock and whatever. I don't know.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: So I feel like- I could not read a clock.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I can now.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: Now I'm like, what is it? Just give it to
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: me in the numbers. I don't have the energy, I
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: don't have the time. You have to have a certain,
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: it's not even like, it's just a certain type of intelligence.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I don't even know how to describe it. Because there
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: are smart kids that exist that are not actors and
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: don't want.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: To be actors.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. but there is, there's like something, like you said,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: if you can memorize, it's also like, it's having this
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: fire under you to like, maybe it's just the people
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: pleasing part, but like if you're good at something and
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: then having the like key, something in your brain to
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: be like, Ooh, someone just said good job for something
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: that wasn't very hard for me. So I'm just going
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: to keep doing that and I'm going to keep doing
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: it and doing it and doing it. And also I
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: was just like a vengeful little kid. And so like
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I was made fun of and then I was, I was, Sure,
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going to be successful. And everyone
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: says I'm annoying, but I'm going to make a career
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: out of being annoying. And I did.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: My sister, she had all the commercials, okay? And then
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: these kids were like, we saw you on a Bold 3,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: which was like a detergent commercial. How much do you make?
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: How much do you make? And my sister goes, these
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: kids are being mean. They keep saying, how much do
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: I make? And my mom said, just turn around and say,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: a lot. Well, that was not good. That made her
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: more hated than anybody.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: So.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, so how did you get started then? Did you
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: get an agent? Because you had several gigs and guest
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: spots and even a couple series before you got this.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: How old were you when you got The Middle?
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I was 17 when I got The Middle. So I
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: was like five or six. I was actually a really
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: shy kid. I was really shy, but it was mostly
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: because I was scared of having feelings. And then when
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: I was like five or six, I realized, oh, I
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: like this. I can do it better than Lizzie.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I can do it.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: And I begged my mom. I was like, please, can
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: I have an agent? Because I knew, I was like, well,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: we're in Los Angeles. We're in Los Angeles, California. Like,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: we're in Hollywood. I can have an agent. We can
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: do it. Look, mom, we're in the right spot at
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: the right time.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Like, a little dumb.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: But she is a good mom. And so she was like, no.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: She was like, not now.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Not an only child you know.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: I have two brothers okay and we actually all uh
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: my older brother and I both wanted both wanted to
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: do it and she made us both do theater like
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: school theater and so we did theater in school and
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: then and I've told this story before but it is
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: how I got started and it's kind of nuts so
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: when I was like eight or nine third or fourth
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: grade I think it was fourth grade Jay Leno came
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: to my school did this like segment, did this like
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: jaywalking segment. It was like kids say the darndest things
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: type of thing where it was Halloween and he was
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: just asking kids about Halloween. Just like, he was, it
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: wasn't even funny. Or like, there was no comedy jokes.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: He was just asking straight up and kids are very funny.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: And so like, My teacher, the producer of the segment,
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: told all the teachers for, I think, grades three, four,
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: and five. She was like, send your kids who are
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: going to be comfortable on camera.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: So they were like, her, Eden, go, little ham, like,
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: go do what you want to do. And I did,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: and I was me, and I was funny, unintentionally. Like,
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: I was just funny because I was, you know, whatever, smart, annoying. Like,
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: annoying to other kids, but funny to adults.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: And I.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: They aired my segment. They aired my answers. And then
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: the producer of the segment reached out to my mom personally.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: They singled me out. They were like, that girl. And
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: they were like, is your daughter an actor? Would she
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: be interested in having her own segment on The Tonight Show?
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: My mom was like.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, boy.
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: I was like, I told you. I'm a star.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: And so my brother also did it. My brother did
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: it with me. It was like an advice column thing.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: It was like, just ask.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: How many times did you guys do it?
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, so we did it twice. But here's the thing.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Like you said, how Shamu killed her baby.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I did it.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: We recorded two segments twice. And then it was 9-11.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: And they just cut everything. They were like, nope, we
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: can't move on. We can't move on as a country. Like,
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: we don't know what to do. So we're not really,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: we don't really have the bandwidth to focus on this new, like.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, so then that was short-lived. Yes. That was short-lived.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: But it launched my confidence. I was like, mom... I
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: need an agent now. Like, do you see? Like, I
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: told you I can do this. And so then I think,
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: and if I remember correctly, the cantor at my temple,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: are you Jewish?
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: No, McDonald's. No, I'm Catholic.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. So at our temple, the cantor,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: this is so LA, the cantor's daughter did a voice on,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: do you remember the show Rocket Power?
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Did a voice on Rocket Power. And so we went
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: to her and we were like, who's your agent? And
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: they got us, me and my brother. Our first agents
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: as kids.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the same thing like with us, with the agents,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: with the people next door, whatever. And another story with
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the agent thing is she was interviewing a lot of people.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: We had to go to her house in like Hollywood
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: or whatever. And when we got there, she was seeing
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: some other kids. And she was like, it's not going
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: to work out for you. She said it right to
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: the mother. They don't have the look I'm looking for. Don't,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: you know. have her stay in school, do something. And
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: then she, and then she says, and leave the light
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: on for the McDonald's. Like we like witnessed her be
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: that rude to like a mother and some other kids.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: And then my mom was like, okay, I guess our
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: three girls were like, you know, a little more happening
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: to her eyes. But yes, I want, I have so
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: many questions, but before I forget, what did you, are
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: you familiar with the book? I'm glad my mom died. Yes,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: I am. And what, I mean, obviously you didn't have
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: that situation with your mom.
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: And between that, just since we're talking about like child actors,
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: between that and all like the Nickelodeon stuff and, you know,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Amanda Bynes and things like that, like as someone that
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: did it successfully, is happy, you have a relationship with
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: your mother. Nothing bad happened to you, I assume?
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: No.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: Like, what is your feelings of that? And did you
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: ever see anything weird or hear anything from other actors
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: at the time?
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: I have a good friend who I'm not going to,
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: it's his story to tell, so I'm not going to, like,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: say his name. But he, I've been friends with him
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: for a while, and he had a lot of, a
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: lot of negative. The parent-child relationship got super fucked up. The, like,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: agent-child relationship was terrible.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, bad.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: And like through his adult years a little bit, like
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: it followed because it just you create.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Was it a sexual thing or just him being adultified
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: too much and having to support the family?
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: More that.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: More that.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: I think there was there was a minor, not explicit
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: sexual element, but just not good. And I was talking
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: to my mom recently because she was watching the documentary
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: or whatever that I couldn't watch. I couldn't.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: Having lived, and I, like you said, I have no
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: trauma in that way, in that specific way. I think
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: inherently growing up, being a child in an adult environment
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: is just inherently a little traumatizing. Like, it's just not natural.
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: And so I have, you know, complexes and stuff, but
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: nothing like that. I was not, I didn't, I never
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: felt exploited in the way that I think a lot
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: of child actors are. Were. Just were, period. And I
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: think that is my mom. I think my mom was super,
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: super protective. Was really protective of me. She also, I mean,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: and it's funny because she worked. And she never, like,
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: she never touched a dime. She never touched a single cent.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: She didn't take even the 15-minute management. No.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: She didn't even take money for gas.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: And we spent... hours in the car just like going
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: over the hill like third and la brea we constantly
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: just like valley cold water canyon every single day doing
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: my homework in the car and she never ever took
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: she never took any money it was always like that's
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: our that's she was like you're if you're gonna do
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: the work like it's your money yeah it's your um
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: and and it is like it's emotional labor on she
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: saw it i don't know she just was She was
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: really great. And but she worked. So she wasn't even
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: always on set with me. She had to pay for
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: like a legal guardian to be there. But she was
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: just she was like the least involved in and most involved.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: She she stayed back when she knew she should. She
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: didn't like metal. But she also I don't know if
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: she was with me on the set of Zoey 101.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: I did an episode of Zoey 101. And that was weird.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: What was weird about that?
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: It was just, you just felt, you just felt the,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: what's his name?
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: And this was with Jamie Lynn Spears.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: And she is going to like a Pepperdine or whatever
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: high school. Yeah. And it was a Dan Schneider show.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: Just not a good vibe. And so this is before
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: she came out pregnant.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like season one or something. I had
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: one line that actually got cut. So I looked like
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: an extra in the show. But I just remember the
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: dynamics were, I don't know how to explain it other
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: than he felt creepy. He was, he seemed creepy. And everything,
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: there was just no... there was no joy anywhere. And
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: like being this, I was like 12, I think. And
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: being this was like joy, like I'm going to be
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: on a Nickelodeon show was just like, none of that
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: was there. Everything was very tense.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: And I think the energy was just off. It was
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: just an offset.
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: And then seeing, hearing people come out being like, it
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: was more than off. Like it was, it was, it
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: was abusive. It was like an abuse. It's like, Oh yeah,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: of course it was. And I think my mom was,
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: saw that and did not push. She wasn't trying to
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: schmooze with anyone on set. She was very concerned about,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: I don't want my daughter to be here for more
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: time than she has to be.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Let's just do the one and done.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Let's get your one line that's going to get cut
• 47:39
  Speaker 3: and get out.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: And then she really put the ball in my court.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: She was like, I'm just going to be here for
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: you if you want to keep doing this. It's so
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: much rejection. Are you cool with this much rejection all
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: the time? And there was something wrong with my brain
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: growing up that I was like, I didn't care. I
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: didn't see it.
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: My little brother tried. And he he did one audition,
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: didn't get it. I was like, I'm out. Oh, that
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: was horrible. I was horrible. This is this rejection. I can't.
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: And so by the time I got my I was like.
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: I didn't work.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: That's the thing. I didn't work that much. I on paper,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: it looks like I worked quite a bit. But like,
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: you know, I did a few commercials. It's great. I
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: did that one episode of Zoey 101. I did like
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: an episode of The O.C.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: And I did like I did. I did do a
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: show for ABC. I did another series that went.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Was that the Brothers and Sisters? Yeah.
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: Sons and Daughters.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, Sons and Daughters.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Brothers and Sisters.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: Very close. And Brothers and Sisters was another show on
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: ABC that actually was successful. Not like Sons and Daughters
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: that went 11 episodes.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: OK.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: It was a comedy. And I did that. But then
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: like through high school, I didn't really work that much.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: And then I got my driver's license and my mom
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: was like, now you're driving yourself to Thurton La Brea.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Thank God.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: It was, and it was great.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: You know, I interviewed Corey Feldman years ago, like it
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: might've been 2017 or 18. And someone just wrote me like,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: you should just interview him. He wrote such a compelling
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: book and everything. And And so I had him come
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: on and came on with his wife at the time,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: who's now they're divorcing and it's ugly. And I was
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: just asking him about, you know, being a child actor.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: And this is before like all this stuff with Diddy
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: and everything had come out. And he was just like, Heather,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: you know, and he has, he's, you know, it's a
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: weird interview, but he was just like, Heather, you know, nobody,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: no child should be a child actor. No child should
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: be a child actor. And I kind of was like, listen,
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not, I believed everything he said. Obviously I knew
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: he'd seen some shit, you know? And at this point,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Corey Haim had already passed and everything. And, um, but
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, but we can't tell stories. We
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: can't tell all the stories we want to tell without kids.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: Now they don't have to be Shirley Temple, you know,
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: and have, when you look into her life, you know,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: she has some stories that are crazy and she turned
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: out okay. But like, but like we still, there still
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: should be a way that a really smart, talented, I mean,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: there still are the Ron Howards. There still are the Edens.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: There still are, you know, there still are people that
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: were able to do it and stay in it or
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: do it and move on and still have a great
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: life or whatever. So I think it is challenging for parents.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: And all I can say is having all these stories
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: come out, if you are lucky enough to have such
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: a talented kid that wants to do it, then you
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: set it up that either you're on, that you are
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: probably going to have to be on set, you know, and,
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and work it out and really make sure. But I
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: also feel like nowadays, kind of like the way I
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: think Catholic school is probably a lot safer now than
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: it was because there's so many rules because of what happened.
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Like even when I was a teacher, a parent there,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: We had just a volunteer in the class. They do
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: full background checks. You have to do this whole thing.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: No one's ever left alone with a child that isn't theirs.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Like all this stuff. So I feel like an actual
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: studio set today is probably way safer than someone just
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: doing content at someone's house on YouTube whose mom is
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: running a family blog. Like that's where it can get
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: fucked up. Totally. This is at least... Because of the
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: exposure that we know was fucked up before.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: I mean, good that you're saying that. I haven't been
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: a child on a set in a while. And so
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: all I can say is like how to make it like, yes,
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: you're right. Stories can be told with children or they
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: should be told with children. But my thing would just
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: be like have so many protections in place, like way more.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: And even like offset.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: I feel like. Yes. Well, we saw that, too, with
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: the in the you didn't see it. But in the
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: Nickelodeon thing, the real perpetrator was this acting coach. Yes.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: That went away and then was rehired.
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: I all of it. It's just if you're if so,
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: if there are more protections in place, if like it
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: is better now, then totally good. But I just it's
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: like every single aspect of it needs to be monitored.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: In the same way that like we monitor children, we
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: make sure it's like illegal to not have a child
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: in school. It should be like illegal to not have
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: someone monitoring a third party, someone monitoring this like child.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: Like there are people aren't legal adults for a reason.
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: Like you have to have you have to be monitored.
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: You have to children have to be watched and cared for.
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: I also think, well, first of all, you got the
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: part when you were 17, so you were almost an adult.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: But also, you know, you were a character funny actor.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: You weren't sexualized. You weren't wearing a wig and lashes
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: like these Disney shows at 12 and talking about, well,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: my boyfriend cheated on me. That's when we used to
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: watch those Nickelodeon shows. I'd hear it in the background
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: and I'd be like, what the fuck is this? Like iCarly.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what are you talking about? Oh, we have
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: a web series. They literally were We're living a life
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: of 25-year-olds. And I'm like, what– what is going on?
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: And so this was, you know, very real, but do
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: you feel like that was an advantage too, probably that
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: your part was not someone that was, you know, overly
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: sexualized or gorgeous or cheerleader or whatever?
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: Huge advantage. I was never, that's the thing. I was,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: I was never sexualized as a child. I think because
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I was so goofy, I was not like cute. I
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: was not. And that's where I get, like, I was
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: not a pretty child. I was not, I'm fine, and
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: I'm fine saying that I think I'm adorable now. I
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: think I'm really, I think I'm cute. I think I'm beautiful.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: But I was not, I was not an attractive child.
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: I think that's a weird phrase, honestly. I think that's gross. Someone,
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: my grandma, I just have to, dearly departed, like, lover.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: But we were going through, this is a, I swear
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: to God, this comes back. When I was pregnant, we
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: were going through baby clothes. My mom just got like
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: a bunch of hand-me-down baby clothes, and we were going
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: through them. And we saw this one little dress, And
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: my grandma goes, ooh, that's sexy. And I was like, no,
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: it's not. No, it's not. It's for an infant. And
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: she was like, no, no, I'm just saying. I'm just saying.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: You know, like, it's sexy. Like, it's adorable. And I
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: was like, no, those are different words. Different words. And
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: the first one should never, ever be used to describe
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: baby clothes ever. And I think it was just a
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: different time. But it really put it in my brain. Like, oh,
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: my God. Some people use these words to describe children.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Like, that's not.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: So this is all to say that I was never,
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: I was not, thank God, I was not a sexy
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: child and no one thought of me that way. And
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: so I, and I really was funny. And so I
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: like took, you know, acting classes and then I did
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: this show, this other show for ABC, Sons and Daughters,
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: which is improvised. And so I feel like I learned
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: the concept of improv and I like really, really focused.
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: It sounds cheesy, like I focused on the craft of
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: it all. Like I focused more on that And so yeah,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: I did, I lucked out with this role that was
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: truly just about the comedy of it. That wasn't about,
• 55:22
  Speaker 3: that was not, I think it's a, I went out
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: for the cute, you know, even like the high school,
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: the cute girl roles. I never booked them. I simply
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: was not cute enough. And so like, now I can
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: play them, because I know how to, I don't know,
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: do both, I don't know. But do both. Be funny
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: and also be cute. But yeah, no, I definitely did.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I lucked out. And so when you went out for it,
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: were they already familiar? Did you go through all the
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: steps with the callback and everything? Or was it like
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: offered to you?
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: No, it was not offered to me at all. Basically.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: I love horrible audition stories. So please tell.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: I went in and I read seven plus times. They
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: filmed an original pilot. I read for it. Pre-read. Didn't
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: even get a call back. Didn't even ask to read
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: twice in the room. I go back for the screen test.
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: There are two other girls in the room. And the
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: other girls were genuinely 12. They were like, where's your mom?
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: And I was like, at work? They're like, how did
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: you get here? I was like, I drove?
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: So when you started? They made you 12? They made
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: me 12. Oh, wow.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: And I had two screen tests. I went in the
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: first time. There were two other girls. I went in
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: the second time. There was one other girl. I spent
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: three minutes in the room with everyone. Everyone else spent
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: like 25 minutes. I got three minutes. Then they were like,
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: you booked it. And I was like, I don't believe you.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: And when you did the pilot, was it immediately greenlit
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: or you had to wait?
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: No, we had to wait.
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: And did you think, like when did you realize this
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: is a hit? And this is going to continue every year.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: Or did every year you worried about the pickup?
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: Every year I think I worried about the pickup.
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: Oh.
• 57:04
  Speaker 3: I think maybe after season four we were like, okay,
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: now we kind of expect it.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: So you had this boyfriend in the show. Yeah. That
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: was hilarious because he was clearly gay. Either he didn't
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: know it or he was denying it. But you guys
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: had this great best friend chemistry. But you're like, he's
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: my boyfriend.
• 57:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: And again... Ten years ago, that was like a very original,
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: funny concept joke that was so funny and fresh to
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: like watch as an audience member.
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: And so the two of you set out to, they
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: were going to give you a spinoff. Oh, yes.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: And so what happened with that?
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: It was unfortunate. It was unfortunate timing. It's one of
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: my great, I don't want to say regrets, but like
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: I think that was a missed opportunity for ABC.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: It was just really poor timing. We had, we shot
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: a pilot in November.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: No, we didn't.
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: I'm lying. It was October. And, um, And I know
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: that because we waited, we were like, let's just get
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: the pickup. We shot a pilot in October.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: It was good.
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: It was really good. It was, like, an actually good pilot.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: Not all of them are. And I've seen it recently,
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, this is flawed. I see, like,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: this is definitely not perfect, but it is solid. It
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: was just, like, a good show. And we shot it
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: in October. ABC had a complete regime change. The president
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: of ABC at the time became not the president of ABC.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: And like all of the executives, like no one was
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: there at ABC to make a decision. It was not
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: the real pilot season. So they weren't all on board
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: looking at pilots. It was the end of the year.
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: I think everyone was super tired. And then no one
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: was there. Just literally no one was at ABC to
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: make a decision. And we found out I think the
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: day before, two days before Thanksgiving, we were supposed to
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: find out like what year was this?
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: 2019? 2018.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: 2018 or 2019. I think what's kind of great about
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: now is that like, you know, if you had a
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: pilot at a.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: Network and they didn't pick it, it lived at the network.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: It died at the network. That was. the end. But
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like in the last few years, they're like, hey,
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: we don't want it, but you know what? Let's toss
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: it to the streamer over here or we'll give you
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: a chance to sell it over there. And that's what's
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: so much better about today, I think, is that these
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: things don't have to totally die just because... You know?
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: I think if it was made last year, I think
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: it would have gone to Netflix. I really think. Or
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: it would have gone to Freeform, at least. I'm surprised
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: it didn't go to Freeform in general. Like, then. But
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: I still think there might be life for it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: That sounds crazy. Like, just in the last year, like,
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: spending this much time with Brock, we were like, God,
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: we wish. Like, I think it still could live there.
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: Because the spinoff took place years in the future. It took, like,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: a few years in the future.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: Right. And I think the whole story was like– And
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: was a story that you guys are like married but
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: he's gay and you still don't know? What is it? No, no, no.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Because he came out in the show.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, he comes out in the show. Yeah.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: In the middle. Like he came out in like season
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: eight or something.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: They finally– and honestly, it didn't change the dynamic at all.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: It did not change the dynamic. I'm getting too excited.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: I'm talking too fast. Yeah. No, so yeah, he was like,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: I think it's about Sue and Brad. It's about Sue,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: but like Sue and Brad in Chicago. It'd be like
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: them in their 20s.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: That's a fun concept. That would be fun, I think.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: But no, it definitely would have gone to a streamer
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: if it was made, I think. Right.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: But yeah, the decision fell to literally Bob Iger.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: And was that and so now when you've steadily worked
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: for that many years and you think you're going to
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: have this other leg of your life and it's no.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: Was that a hard adjustment to then go back to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: being just like the working actor trying to get the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: next gig?
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was actually.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: And I was super prepared for that part of my life.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: I didn't even want to do the spinoff originally. I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: didn't even want to. They had to they like convinced
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: me to do it. And I was like, OK, it
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: has to be this, this and this, though. I have
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: to have these certain like, you know, like authorities like
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: I have to I have to make this. This is
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: what the thing I have to have some say over this.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 3: So I had some say over it. And then it
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: became a really good thing. And then I got super
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 3: excited about it. And like you said, I was like, oh,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: I'm prepared. Everyone was like, it's a formality. It's definitely
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: going to go to series. So I was prepared for
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: this part of my life. And I didn't allow myself
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: to mentally prepare the way that I had been to
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: not have a job. And so I would have had
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: months to plan, just to feel all my feelings about
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: grieving this. Yeah, I wasn't a child, but that's actually
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: what my show really deals with. Growing up, being 17
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: to 26 are hugely formative years. And so I feel
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: like I did grow up. I really did grow up
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 3: on the show. And the point of all this is
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: that I wasn't. I was not prepared. I was devastated
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: that this thing that was supposed to happen didn't happen.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 3: And then I just felt so, I was totally at sea.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: I didn't know what to do. I didn't know, I
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: was like, okay, I would have been putting wheels in
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: motion for other things, but this, so no, I was lost.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: And so you were on a hit sitcom. Were you
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: good about your money during those years? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was pretty good about, pretty good about, yeah,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: I was definitely good about my money. It's still not,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: I will say, like, I will never, I will never, ever,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: ever complain about money, ever. But I do think people
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: think that, maybe because of the Friends era, I think
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: people think that TV people have more money than they have.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: Like, you're set for life.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, people think, like, my grandchildren are set. And that's,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 3: Not the case. It's just like you have to be
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: smart about your money. But even still, if you don't
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: work for a while, you're going to run out of money.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: You don't have money. You don't have infinity money. So
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: I feel really super blessed that we don't have to scramble.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Me and my husband aren't like.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: How did you meet your husband?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 5: Boring.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: Just like they're friends. Oh.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: It's kind of interesting just in that we were like
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: friends for years beforehand. And he was just like this
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: serial dater. Like he always had a girlfriend. And I
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: was like, oh, OK, never mind. Like Krony's a fantasy.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 3: Like Krony's not. He always has a girlfriend. And then
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: I saw him on Tinder one day.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: And I got so scared. I was just like, ah,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: what's Connie? Why is he on? Ah, swipe left.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: I want to step back a minute.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: What was it like being going on dating sites and
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: and would people recognize you right away or they wouldn't know?
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: Or was that awkward to then be out at a
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: restaurant and somebody's like. love you, and the guy being like,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: what's that about? Like, how did you let people know
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: that you were on a hit sitcom?
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, it's a little bit tricky because back in
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: the day on Tinder, you had to have a Facebook.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: You had to have a Facebook to, like, have an
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: account because they just wanted to verify that you're a
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: real person. And I did not have a Facebook because, like,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: I had a professional Facebook, but I didn't have one
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: because I was like, I just don't have Facebook. I
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: can't do that. Yeah. And so I had to use
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: my friend's account. She let me, she did this thing
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: where she let me change all of her profile pictures
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: to me for just a period of time.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: And then I signed up to Tinder with her because
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: she had a girlfriend already. Like she didn't need to set.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: And she let me use her account. I put the
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: pictures up and then she changed all her pictures back
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: to her after because it was already set. So it
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: said my name was, it was all my pictures, but
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: it said my name was Allie.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: Who is your friend?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Who's my friend.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: And so people who, it was kind of this good buffer, like,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: people who didn't know who I was just was like, hey,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: you're a girl named Allie. And then I had to
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: sort of explain. And then, so that's how I got
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: it out. But people who, some people did recognize me
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: and were like, hey, like, you're pretending to be this girl. Like,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: that's so, that's really fucked up. Like, you're catfishing as this, like,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 3: she's an actress. And I had to be like, no,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: I am actually her. But also, I don't want to
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: date you because you know who I am. Like, I
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: don't want to see, this is going to be weird.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: But I ended up, I dated a Couple guys. Actually,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: I'm friends with one of the guys, too. He's like
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: a producer.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: And so you guys get married and then you find
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: out you're pregnant with identical twins. Yeah. So this was
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: all natural.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: All natural.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Do you have twins in your family? No.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: And if you see my show, I talk about this.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: I talk about how identical twins happen because they are
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 3: not genetics. They're not genetic in any way. Anyone can
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: get pregnant with identical twins.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: It's just that the embryo splits.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: It's just that the embryo splits.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: The little zygote splits in two, makes little clones in
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: your body, and then somehow it works. I'm always like
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: the miracle of life.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: So when did you find out that you were– first
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: you found out you were pregnant because you peed on
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: a stick or whatever.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Then, so was it the first ultrasound that they saw
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: two heartbeats?
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: No. This is the most insane part. I pee on
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: a stick. I'm pregnant. Okay, great. Oh, I'm pregnant with
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: a baby. We were trying.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: We were, like, trying.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: So I was like, ah, yay, yay, yay. Go in
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: for an actual scan, and she says, I wasn't even
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: thinking of anything other than just one baby. And she goes, yep,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: there is a heartbeat, and it's just one. And I
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: was like, and it's a singleton. And I was like, Oh, OK.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: Of course it is. That's what happens when you're pregnant.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: But OK, great. I'm glad it's just one. I go
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: in for the next scan. So they tell me at
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: a doctor, at my OBGYN, that it is just one
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: child or one, you know, one zygote, one baby happening.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: And then I go to my next one.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: And they don't know the sex at that point. No. OK.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: They just know it's a viable.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: Then I go in for my next one. I think
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: it was. eight weeks, eight and a half, eight and
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: a half weeks ish. And she, it's still really early though,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: but yeah, it's still pretty, it's still really early.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: But I was still, I already thought it was just one.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: She told me it was just one. And, and I,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: I talked about this in my show, but she literally
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: turns to me. She turned, she like gasps. And I
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: was like, she, she, she, she gasps and like hold her, like,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 3: she doesn't look happy. She just like, And I was like,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: this is it. Like I miscarried.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: That's like, okay, that's fine.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: That happens.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: I know that happens.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: It's all going through your head in like not even
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: a second.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 3: And she looks, she turns to me like slowly, like
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: truly takes like eight seconds to turn her head and
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 3: just holds up a peace sign. And I was like, what?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 3: And my husband, and she goes, Nick, his name is Nick, like,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 3: you know, actual Nick. Like, Nick, come over here. Let
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 3: me show you if you can see what I see.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: And because he saw her do this, he saw. And
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, oh, my God, is she what is happening?
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: And she and she points to him and she's like,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: he's like looking. He's like, can you she's like, can
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 3: you see the monitor? Can you see that?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: Whatever.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: She's like, see that there right there. There's a heartbeat.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: And then she just goes. And there's another one right there.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 3: And we were like, I saw all the blood drain
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: from my husband's face.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: I was like.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Oh!
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: Did you ever have twin friends growing up? Did you
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: ever think twins would be fun? Did you ever play
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: with twin dolls?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: No, never.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 3: Never. I had twin friends. I actually had fraternal twin friends.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: They were two of my best friends. It was a
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: boy-girl twins. Actually, two sets of fraternal twins. But I
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: was never a twin person. Everyone, I think, is fascinated
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 3: by identical.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Twins to some degree. I am totally, yeah.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: And they are just as fascinating to have.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: And so your girls are three.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: They're three now, and they are.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: And do they still look identical?
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: To me, they look... very different. To people, they wear glasses.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Now, would you put them into acting? Because they can
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: do twice the amount of work.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: They are identical twins, identical twin babies.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: Because of the hours, yeah.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Are hot commodities, I have learned. And when they were
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: baby babies, I was like, babies modeling like extra cash,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: college fund, like okay sure, let's do it, like why not?
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 3: I would never. No, not at all, it was so
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: much work.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: To put them out there.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: It's so much work putting them out there and I
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: was like, and then I realized I would be the
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: worst stage mom ever because you have to, at the
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: slightest sign of discomfort, I would pull them. If they
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: started crying and they were like no, make them stop crying,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: I'd be like fuck you, get out, like we're leaving.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: I would never, ever have them ever be, like, uncomfortable
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: in that way.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, with the Everyone Loves Raymond, the twin
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: boys were the actual, if I'm correct, the biological brothers
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: of the little girl.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: I think they were.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: I think you're right. Yeah.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 3: Because they did really look alike, like, a lot.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just, like, worked out. Yeah. And, you know.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: And in real life, I think that Ray only has
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: the boys.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: He only has twin boys in real life because it
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: was based on his life.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: No, I think he does have a girl also.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: I think he has three, yeah. I only know that
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: because I think my friends went to school with him.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, really? Okay, I don't know. Maybe.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: But maybe those were the most, I think it's the
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: most interesting. The twin part is the most interesting, so
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: that's probably the part that people remember.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Remember, yeah, from like his stand-up and stuff before getting
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: the show. Yeah.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're, God, they're so funny. And they ask for Frozen.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: And I don't know why. I don't know how we
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: got into English and Spanish. We do both English and
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Spanish versions. And one of them was like, Mommy, I
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: need Let It Go. And my other kid goes, In Spanish?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: And she's like, no, in English. And they just back
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 3: and forth. We're like crying when I'm crying, going in English.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: And the one who wanted Spanish just kept saying in Spanish.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: Do you dress them alike?
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: You're not supposed to, I think.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: I know people who do. I have other friends. And
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: I just think it's, I think it's confusing for everyone else.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 3: Because other people can't recognize, they can't tell the difference
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: between them. So I think it's, and they just want,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: if they, sometimes they ask for the same thing. Sometimes
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 3: they get really upset. They will ask, they will be like,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: if one of them has a red shirt. Sometimes we
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: have to get two of the same because it's just fairness. Yeah,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: they get very upset.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: Do they ever have a thing where like one person
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Stubs her toe and the other one goes, ouch.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: They don't say ouch, but they will go over and
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: like freak out. They'll say like, my sister is crying.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: My sister is crying. Look her toe. And they'll say,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: they'll say like, I feel bad. I feel sad. That
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: makes me sad when my sister is sad when she
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: stubs her toe.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: That's so amazing to me.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 3: It's so, I'm like.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: It's so cool.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: Two other three-year-olds, we're like, that's called empathy. Yeah. And
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 3: so now they say like, I have empathy for my sister.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: I'm an empath.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: They literally are.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: In Spanish, please. Oh, my gosh. Well, listen, tell us
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: about your show and what's going on where it is now.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: So you did this everywhere. You went on the road.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: It's like a one woman show.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: With lots of fun stories about your life and you
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: want to film it. So tell us about that.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: So it's a it really is. It's a journey.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 3: In the few years after The Middle ends, it's about
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: me coming to terms with my identity as a person,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 3: as a human being who is not Suheg, but also
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: kind of is Suheg. And that's the problem, is that
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 3: I kind of am.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Wait, let me ask you one question. Is there anything that...
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're going to say 99% of the time
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 2: when somebody walks up to you and says, I love
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: the show, you were amazing. Is there any time where...
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: it isn't great.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: Well, I, I talk, watch my show.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: That's my whole show. That's the whole stuff. Give me
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: one instance where it wasn't great.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll give you a, I'll, I'll give you a little,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I should spoil it. It's a
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: huge thing that happened. Um, I had a crazy labor
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 3: and delivery. Actually, a lot of the show is about
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: my labor and delivery, but it comes, it's, but it
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: is also, it is intertwined with this, this, and, um,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: So I had a crazy labor and delivery, and I
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: delivered at 28 weeks, which is very early for anyone
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 3: who doesn't know. They were in the hospital for a while.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: But my delivery, one came out vaginally, and the other
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: was an emergency C-section.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: And before the emergency C-section, I'll just say that someone
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: in the room, while I'm freaking out, while I'm like,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: I don't know if my babies are alive right now,
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: someone is like, where do I know you from? Where
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: do I know you from? And I had to be like,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: Is my baby alive?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 3: They're like, no, I know I know you from somewhere.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 3: Literally giving me like an epidural. Like a needle in
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 3: my neck. Needle in my spine. Being like, you're an actor, right?
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: And then yes, and then eventually telling me. Have you
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 3: ever had.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Someone where it's like, where do I know you from?
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: And finally you're like, I'm an actress. I'm on TV.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: And they're like, that's not it. 100%.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: That's not it.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: I think we went to high school together. And you're like, well,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't go to your high school, so I think
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: it might be. And then you're to the point where
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: you're like, well, now you're making me feel conceited because
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: I'm literally saying I'm famous and you're not believing me.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: Has that happened to you? Yes.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: Well, 90% of the time people are like, did we
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: go to high school together?
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: Because it's like TV is weird.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 3: It lodges in a weird part of your brain that's
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 3: not like normal movie stars.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: But. one time, so all the time people are like,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: were you at Dan's party on Friday? And I'm always like, no,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: I don't know Dan, that's not where you know me from.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 3: And usually I'll try to be like, I'm not gonna
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: be conceited, I'm not gonna, but this one time I
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: was out to dinner and I was like, I don't
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: have time for this. So the guy was like, you
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: look so familiar. And I was like, do you watch
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: The Middle? And he goes, no. And I was like, oh, okay,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: do you, oh, okay, do you watch, I don't know,
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 3: is there another TV show, did you watch Weeds or something?
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 3: And he was like, no. He was like, oh, do
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: you know Mike?
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: And I was like.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: I do know Mike.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: Just to end it, just to end it.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: No, no, I did know Mike. I was like, I
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: saw you at Mike's workshop the other day and I
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: was like, oh my God, that is where he was.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: He was like, no, I don't know who the fuck
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: you are. Like, I don't know. I don't watch your show.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: I was like, okay, sorry. Nevermind. So I'll never do
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: it again.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, that's hilarious. Okay, so tell us a
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: little bit about this.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so my show, it talks about my journey.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: So I want to film it. I want to film it.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: I have a Kickstarter. It costs a lot of money
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: to film a special. And I really, really, really want
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: people to see it. It's a really special show to me.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: And so I'm trying to raise money. I'm trying to
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: raise money to film it.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: So where can they go to check it out?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: Every, any one of my socials. My Instagram, my TikTok.
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: Which is Eden? Yeah, which is just Eden. Oh, it's
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 3: Eden underscore share.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: Why isn't it just Eden share? That is so annoying.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: And share is S-H-E-R.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Eden underscore share. You can also go to edensharelive.com.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: You can also search. I was on a sitcom on Kickstarter.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: It's like, it's in my bio everywhere. It's just, you
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: can't escape it if you go to my socials.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: And then also you have your podcast. I do.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have my podcast, Middling with Eden and Brock.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: And you guys cover the middle, but anything else? Do
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: you have guests? We do.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: We have guests. Actually, you should come on if you
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: want one day.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure. I mean, I'm a big fan of the show.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: That's kind of what we– One of.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: My favorite episodes was one of the Mother's Day.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: You should come and recap a Mother's Day episode.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: Where they– because this was so relatable to the moms.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: So she's so tired and they're like, you know what?
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: We're going to leave you to just do your day alone.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: So they go and then she ends up not relaxing,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: like defrosting the fridge, doing all this shit. And then
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: they come home. And they're like, we had the best time.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: You guys come with the dad. We had the best time.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: We went to the farm and then we went to
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: the park and then we went to the amusement thing.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: And she's just like, and now my day's over and
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't spend any time with my kids. And I
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: think that was such a brilliant episode because I think
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: people always think, and we did it once to my mother-in-law.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: She came to Vegas where my brother-in-law lived and we said,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: and here's a spa day and you are going tomorrow.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: And she didn't want to go tomorrow. She wanted to
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: spend the time with everybody. Yeah. And so it's like
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: you can give someone a gift, but don't tell them
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: to go do something or not do something that day.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: Because it's like the whole point. You know, everybody wants
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: a different thing. But I just thought that was just
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: like such a clever episode. But yes, I'd love to
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: come on and talk more about it with you. Yeah.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: Surely we can do that episode. And I remember seeing
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: that episode recently. I watched it. I think as research
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: for when I was writing my show, I now like
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: watching it, rewatching it as a mom. I'm like, one
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: of the things they hit on in that episode is
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: this like constant battle. This like, I just want a break.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: I want a fucking break. But also this guilt, this like, Oh,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: but I want to be with my kids. I know
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: I want to be with them.
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  Speaker 2: And then you miss them.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: And then you miss them. And that's how I feel.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: That's how I.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: It's more just like when they're little like your age.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: It's like, I just want to eat this Chinese chicken
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: salad in peace.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: I just want to poop alone.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: I don't eat eight hours alone. I just want to
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: eat this one salad by myself.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: Like 20 minutes where I'm not sharing my food and
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: then having it be on the floor.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Just 20 minutes.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And men will never... understand that because they will
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: just eat their sandwich.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: That's what okay my husband literally the other day he
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: made himself a bowl of lentils and then just ate
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: it and I was like what did you just do
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: and he was like I was hungry I wanted to
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: eat my food and I was like but they were
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 3: also hungry you should why did they wanted it why
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 3: did you give it to them he was like because
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: I wanted my food and I was like oh interesting
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 3: interesting tactic To just eat food. Never considered it. That's hilarious.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. This was really fun. I
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: so enjoy your stories and your energy. And everybody go
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: check out her Instagram and her show and her podcast
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: and hopefully, you know, participate in it and get it
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: so that we can see it at some point. Yeah.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. This
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: was so much fun.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: Christmas shopping has already started in our house. My daughter
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: is so organised, already planning Christmas gifts from Macaulay. Hair
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: care for her aunt and a fab fragrance for her bestie.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I'm
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: an early bird, buying one present a week from now
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: till Christmas, which makes budgeting less stressful. I can buy
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: in-store or online from Macaulay.ie for home delivery or free
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: click and collect.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: So easy.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 5: Gifts they'll cherish at prices you'll love.