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Episode 313: How A Gay Jewish Boob-Hypnotherapist Built A Coalition With Burqa-Wearing Islamists · Blocked and Reported

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  Katie you've got a stimulating announcement yes jesse i have
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  discovered coffee
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  never heard what is that it's a drink it's brown which is not
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  if i were just like
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  designing a drink from scratch i wouldn't be like brown that's
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  the color drinks
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  should be like a bright neon green like ecto cool yes in a
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  juice box yes or like
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  SPEAKER_01: any sort of dew like a bright blue dew
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  SPEAKER_02: How many doos are there?
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  SPEAKER_01: Probably...
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  SPEAKER_01: Isn't there just one?
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  SPEAKER_01: Mountain?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I think there's like a red do as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Ask Andy about it, Andy.
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  SPEAKER_02: Mountain do code red.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I recently discovered coffee.
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  SPEAKER_01: This is not something I've spent much time drinking in my life,
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  SPEAKER_01: but we got a little home espresso machine,
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  SPEAKER_01: so I've been making coffee in the morning and drinking most of it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I've had this...
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  Recurring dream since I was like 20 I started working coffee
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  shops when I was in I
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  guess high school and then college and then after college I was
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  a barista for a
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  SPEAKER_01: long time even though I never drank coffee
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  SPEAKER_01: But I've had this recurring dream.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's like the anxiety dream that people have that you realize that,
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  SPEAKER_01: oh shit,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm enrolled in school and I forgot to do all of the work for the year.
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  My equivalent of that is that I'm tamping espresso beans and I
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  can't get the tamp right.
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  And so I figured if I bought an espresso machine and I could
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  just once in my life
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  SPEAKER_01: tamp the espresso right,
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  it would end the dream and I think it's worked so you'd had I
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  blacked out for a
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  minute you've had this dream long before you got the espresso
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  machine oh yeah no I
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  got the espresso machine because I was sick of having to solve
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  the dream to solve
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  the dream and it worked and so I think other people should do
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  this like if you have
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  SPEAKER_01: recurring dreams that you like show up
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  Class Naked you need to go to a class naked enroll in a
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  four-year degree don't do
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  any of the work for the school for the semester and then shrub
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  on the last day
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  completely naked and you will never have the dream again okay
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  should I be a life
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  coach so you're saying don't chase your dreams conquer your
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  dreams by doing the
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  thing you dream about in real life act them out literally yes
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  so if you have a if
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  you keep having a dream where your teeth fall out knock your
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  teeth out get your get
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  SPEAKER_02: your teeth removed knock your teeth out
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  uh well i'm excited for you kitty i my own journey with coffee
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  i think it started
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  age 17 or 18 i specifically and vividly remember summer
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  probably 18 years old
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  getting a big iced coffee and feeling that buzz that that
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  life-affirming buzz from
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  the caffeine these days i don't i don't get the buzz at all i
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  really just drink
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  coffee because i'm addicted to it and to stave off the headache
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  i get if i don't
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  SPEAKER_00: drink coffee so
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  SPEAKER_01: You need a new drug.
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  SPEAKER_01: This needs to be progressive.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm on enough drugs.
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  SPEAKER_01: Meth.
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  SPEAKER_01: How about meth?
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  SPEAKER_02: I started with a slow release.
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  SPEAKER_02: Instead of Adderall, I forget what it's called, but I got prescribed it.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, is it Vyvanse?
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  SPEAKER_02: It's Vyvanse, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is it?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was on that for like a day.
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  SPEAKER_02: A whole day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Long story.
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  SPEAKER_01: Does not mix with weed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Put it that way.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: You say that as though it's... Let's just quickly unpack this.
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  You're surprised that a slow-acting stimulant designed to last
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  16 hours did not mix
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  SPEAKER_02: well with weed.
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  SPEAKER_02: What did it do to you?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, and I had to choose one or the other.
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  SPEAKER_01: I remember I was in Philadelphia.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was at some queer dance party in Philadelphia,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I started having a true out-of-body experience.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there was a party photographer there
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  SPEAKER_01: And the party photographer kept taking,
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  SPEAKER_01: I still have some of these photos,
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  SPEAKER_01: some photos of me,
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  SPEAKER_01: and I looked,
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  SPEAKER_01: I looked very high.
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  SPEAKER_01: God, 20s were fun.
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  SPEAKER_00: I will, I will make sure not to, uh, not to mix the two.
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  SPEAKER_00: Before we get into the main, sorry, go ahead Katie.
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  Do you ever think about the fact that like you'll never do a
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  keg stand again?
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  SPEAKER_02: I never did a keg stand.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh yeah, of course you did.
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  SPEAKER_02: I've never, I've never blacked out from alcohol.
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  SPEAKER_01: That I don't believe.
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  SPEAKER_02: I have puked once.
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  that no you you puked one since i've met you from alcohol in dc
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  at your friend's
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  house oh you're right i puked twice that's it this is very hard
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  to believe your
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  your stomach is far too strong for your jewishness well i'm
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  just i'm just too big
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  to black out you you need a lot more than that how many cake
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  stands have you done
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  SPEAKER_01: in your life i can't even count that high numbers don't go that high
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  If we if you did a meetup and you if you wanted to do a cake
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  stand I know it would
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  go against your whole drinking yeah sobriety yeah but um you
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  could I'm sure our
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  fans would be happy to lift you up before we get to the main
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  thing there's no one
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  whose judgment or counsel I trust more than yours yeah tell me
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  if I'm right
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  about the thing I'm about to tell you I'm mad about I didn't I
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  didn't really
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  prepare this well um okay the New York Knicks won the
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  championship I live in New
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  York I had joked to you that I thought the city would burn down
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  uh the city did not
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  burn down it was it was I mean I didn't it's not my team I
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  didn't like participate
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  but I wandered around as everyone was you didn't participate I
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  want I thought I saw
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  a picture of you hanging from a lamppost although that might
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  have been a Hasidic
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  SPEAKER_01: Jew
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  SPEAKER_02: Did you see the twerking one?
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  SPEAKER_01: No, I didn't.
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  SPEAKER_02: I don't have a link to it,
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  but there's a video of a woman up on a lamppost and we get this
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  mid-confrontation.
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  This other woman is trying to pull her down basically by the
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  underwear and the
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  SPEAKER_02: woman on the lamppost responds by starting to twerk.
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  SPEAKER_02: It was a great New York moment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Look, let this be a lesson to everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: Listen to this.
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  If you are ever trying to escape from someone,
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  just twerk your way out of it.
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  Exactly I was hoping for game six because I had tentative plans
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  to watch with
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  friend of the pod Andy Mills a huge sports guy actually is a
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  basketball guy I
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  wandered around I saw everyone partying I was like oh this is
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  great but you know
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  it's enough it's not my team I'm gonna go home now I go home I
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  go on Twitter and I
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  see Andy know just feverishly any bad thing anyone in my
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  beloved adopted city of
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  SPEAKER_02: New York does any violence any tension any smashed window is
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  Eagerly Retweeting that Well Jesse He's a huge Spurs fan Right
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  He's a huge Spurs
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  SPEAKER_02: fan Now Tell me Tell me if I'm being biased here Read this headline And
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  sub-headline I pulled NYPD Arrested more than 60 fans In chaos
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  Following Nick's NBA
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  Finals Victory The NYPD Reported four people Shot or stabbed
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  And ten police
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  officers Attacked with one Punched in the face And another hit
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  With a glass bottle
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  SPEAKER_01: Seems like nothing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not Philly.
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  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even joking.
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  Look,
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  I don't want anyone to get stabbed or hit,
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  but this is a huge fucking city.
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  SPEAKER_02: And also the context of this was a Saturday night and during Pride.
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  SPEAKER_02: During Pride.
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  SPEAKER_02: Everyone in the city is drinking all day.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's the summer.
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  SPEAKER_02: Getting slowly tanked.
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  SPEAKER_02: And then New York is a... People like you don't understand.
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  In sports cities like Philly or Boston or New York,
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  it just takes over the city.
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  SPEAKER_02: People are really fucking nervous about it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But wait,
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  SPEAKER_01: can you explain the psychology of why a city...
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not saying that New York was destroyed,
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  SPEAKER_01: but there are...
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  SPEAKER_01: I lived in Chapel Hill when they won the...
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  what is it NCAA championship yep you nailed it and when this
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  happens they do
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  there's this like mob of students and locals on the streets and
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  they do sort of
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  destroy shit and I just don't understand the psychology of that
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  like what about joy
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  makes you destroy your own home I agree it's mostly joy college
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  kids in particular
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  is it just adrenaline it's just straight up adrenaline and
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  drinking it's adrenaline
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  SPEAKER_02: people it's fun to like light couches on fire and
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  I just I just want to look New York's disgusting in a lot of
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  ways but like given
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  this given the full context these were mostly peaceful
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  celebrations is what I'm
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  saying mostly peaceful protests they were mostly peaceful
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  pro-Nix anti-spirit
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  SPEAKER_02: protests and I don't like the fact just this type of sort of
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  bottom-feeding,
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  let's just blow up every horrible thing that happens
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  everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_02: We frequently criticize that tendency on the left,
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  SPEAKER_02: so I don't think we should let Andy know off the hook.
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  SPEAKER_01: What did Andy actually say?
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any examples?
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  He just kept tweeting and retweeting any,
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  like,
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  some people smashed bus windows.
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  SPEAKER_02: That's bad.
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  SPEAKER_02: They should be arrested.
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  SPEAKER_02: You shouldn't do that.
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  SPEAKER_02: But in the grand scheme of a giant city, it was nothing.
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  SPEAKER_02: And it was probably Antifa.
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  It was Antifa that came in just to smash the windows under the
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  pretext of the next wedding.
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  it was antifa who allowed the spurs to blow a 29 point lead
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  anyway so i just want
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  to say that but uh hate to say it but congratulations to the
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  knicks it was a
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  magical run katie did you watch any of it do you know anything
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  that happened i know
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  that it was a magical run and they came up from behind a not a
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  lead what's the
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  opposite of a lead a deficit they were losing sure they came
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  yeah they came up from
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  SPEAKER_02: behind sounds very sexual all right katie today today we're going to talk
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  about a strange story from British politics you said they came
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  from behind that was
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  SPEAKER_02: very sexual yeah um
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  this is a story from from the UK need a little bit of backstory
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  to get into it so
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  historically the British Parliament has basically operated as a
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  two-party system
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  the conservatives aka the Tories which is a cool name whatever
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  you think about
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  their politics and labor I don't believe labor has a cool name
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  the lorries the
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  lorries it's not a party it's a lorry wait labor party nickname
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  I'm not missing
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  SPEAKER_00: something there isn't
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  oh LIBOR a derogatory nickname occasionally used by critics and
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  opponents to mock
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  the party oh labor like LIBOR LIBOR demon rat democrats Lori's
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  is better um there
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  SPEAKER_00: are some smaller political parties they tend to only run in like specific
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  SPEAKER_00: geographical areas so Scottish and Welsh nationalist parties uh there's
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  clusterfuckish stuff going on in Northern Ireland I'm not gonna
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  even attempt to
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  SPEAKER_01: understand let's not touch that
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  No,
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  actually,
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  I think I think we should talk more about the troubles on this
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  podcast.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's also the liberal Democrats, aka the Lib Dems.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's sort of a protest vote for middle class centrist types.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's my party.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's your party.
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  SPEAKER_00: The reason the reason center, but
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  Really,
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  the natural elections are contested between the conservative
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  and labor parties.
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  Every general election since 1918 has been won by one of those
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  two parties.
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  SPEAKER_00: This has been the status quo for a very, very long time.
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  SPEAKER_00: Katie, you are a resident European politics expert.
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  Would you say it's a great time for establishment status quo
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  parties in Europe or the best time?
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  SPEAKER_01: I would say it is neither.
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  SPEAKER_00: What?
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  SPEAKER_01: A third choice.
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  SPEAKER_01: You got it right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  Although not too dissimilar from what's happening here But the
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  political landscape
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  is shifting at the moment We're in an anti-incumbent bias
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  Anti-incumbent Which is
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  the worst kind of bias You love incumbents The status quo has
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  worked well for you
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  SPEAKER_02: and you're seeking to maintain it
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  SPEAKER_02: You wanted the status quo of trees of your land bordering on a forest.
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  SPEAKER_02: They wanted to remove the trees and you were opposed.
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  SPEAKER_02: I forget how that ended up.
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  SPEAKER_02: They are removing the trees, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: They cut the trees.
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  SPEAKER_01: They cut them.
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  SPEAKER_02: Oh, it's already done.
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  SPEAKER_01: They thin the forest.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: Not as bad as I thought it would be.
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  okay so you you are a status quo lib dem type uh but yeah all
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  over europe obviously
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  and here big populist uprising uh in the uk this is manifested
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  most famously as
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  reform uk which is led by nigel farage uh he a guy who
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  campaigned relentlessly for
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  SPEAKER_00: brexit now wants to
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  Wants to become the Prime Minister Reform is like the type of
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  right-wing populist
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  party that has sprung up all over Europe in recent years you
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  know their stance on
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  things like immigration and the welfare state are conservative
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  although I again I
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  mean we I just I don't want to make the parallels to Pat it's
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  different in most
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  European countries their stance toward the welfare state is
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  very different from
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  here and even conservative parties are in favor of often
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  stronger or beefier
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  SPEAKER_00: welfare policies than we have here in some cases
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  SPEAKER_01: And the immigrants are different.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm just going to say it.
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  SPEAKER_01: They're different.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_02: I mean, yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: We will get into that.
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  SPEAKER_02: And Helen Lewis recently pointed out that for many nativist Brits,
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  SPEAKER_00: reform is actually not extreme enough on immigration.
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  SPEAKER_00: They won't deport every single immigrant.
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  SPEAKER_00: That has led to a splinter party, Restore Britain, Rest Brit.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's my nickname.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is there a V in there somewhere?
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  SPEAKER_00: There is not.
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  They are campaigning on the promise of mass deportations and
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  they haven't gone national yet.
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  SPEAKER_00: Presumably...
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  the right wing purists will then say they are not far enough
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  and there'll be a
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  party called like restoring restore Britain anyway the ultra
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  ultras yes on the left
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  there's also a populist party on the rise that's who we're
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  going to focus on today
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  the green party and this is a really interesting example of
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  populism and horseshoe
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  theory and strange bedfellows okay so here when I think of the
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  green party I think
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  Jill Stein I think environmentalism kind of degrowth types are
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  these guys are they
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  SPEAKER_01: really focused on the environment
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  Do you remember when Hillary Clinton unfairly stole the
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  election from Jill Stein?
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  That was so unfair I interviewed her once Jill Stein,
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  not Hillary Clinton What was she like?
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  SPEAKER_01: It was on the phone
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  I don't remember it was a long time ago I can't tell you what
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  she's like in the UK
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  the Green Party was founded in 1990 there have been earlier
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  similar parties for
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  longer than that for much of its history it's focused on
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  environmental issues it
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  got its first member of parliament elected in 2010 this was a
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  woman named Carolyn
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  Lucas once got arrested at an anti-fracking protest who amongst
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  us hasn't and she
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  wanted the government to introduce a meat tax to encourage
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  veganism that'll do it
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  She also wanted ecocide to be listed as an international crime
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  So this is like the
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  SPEAKER_01: What is ecocide?
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  SPEAKER_00: Murdering an ecosystem Okay,
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  I'm with her I'm using context clues and my deep knowledge of
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  linguistics here So
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  that's sort of the platonic ideal of the Green Party type
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  Someone who's like,
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  I charge you with murdering the planet And I want that to be a
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  real crime Also
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  SPEAKER_01: easily ignored by mainstream politicians Do you have sympathy for these
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  for greenies like if we think of it in that classic sense do I
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  have sympathy for
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  the environment yes like is that like how how when you're
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  thinking of voting where
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  does the environment rank on your priorities I mean I am
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  embarrassingly remiss
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  SPEAKER_02: about following the
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  SPEAKER_00: I was going to say about following local New York politics,
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  I don't think environmental issues rate very high on most of
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  the sorts of races I
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  SPEAKER_00: would vote in.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then nationally,
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  I don't really feel like I have a choice about who to vote for
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  in terms of red
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  SPEAKER_00: versus blue.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  this probably comes up more in places like where you live
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  because you actually have
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  nature and you have to vote against environmental policies like
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  thinning the trees
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  SPEAKER_00: because it'll affect you personally.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm a NIMBY in every sense of the word.
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  SPEAKER_01: Really not in my backyard.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_01: it is a little bit more complex because,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I have realized,
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  SPEAKER_01: I have come to the realization in recent years that,
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  SPEAKER_01: like,
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  SPEAKER_01: I would say that my number one issue is the environment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Conservation,
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  SPEAKER_01: climate change,
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: these are all things I care deeply about,
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  but I've also realized that there are some progressive policies
• 15:06
  that have been
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_01: really short-sighted.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Like,
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  the fact that we don't have nuclear energy cannot all be blamed
• 15:12
  on the Sierra Club,
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: but environmentalists
• 15:16
  like made an effort to to make nuclear nuclear you get that
• 15:23
  that's really good in a
• 15:23
  way that I think actually did a lot of long-term damage and
• 15:26
  this is changing like
• 15:27
  my sister works for an environment like a well-known
• 15:31
  environmental think tank
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: that's been around for many decades and they just announced that they are
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_01: supporting nuclear now just now
• 15:38
  I think these are not an area I know much about other than that
• 15:42
  I know there are
• 15:43
  things that are bad that we need to fix that's my strong take I
• 15:46
  will say just from
• 15:47
  reading a little bit about how things work in California
• 15:49
  especially I'm sort of
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_00: being an abundance bro here but I think there's a subset of environmental
• 15:54
  regulations in like city cities like San Francisco or LA that I
• 15:57
  think are used to a
• 15:59
  crazy extent to derail building houses so that's an example I
• 16:02
  think of what you're
• 16:03
  talking about in terms of like yeah except I like that you're
• 16:05
  right you don't want
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: houses to be built
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_02: No But
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I like the environment.
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  So 2024,
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  the Green Party had its biggest share of parliament,
• 16:17
  four members out of 650.
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  SPEAKER_02: Not many.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: Not many.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_02: You could say that that's even less than 1%.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't run the numbers.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's under 1%.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: And then in addition to their environmental policies,
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: it's just sort of a hodgepodge of lefty stuff,
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: mostly along the lines of what you'd expect.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: So the party has enjoyed a recent renaissance.
• 16:35
  That is in part because of a new leader who wants to take them
• 16:37
  in a bolder,
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: more radical direction.
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  SPEAKER_00: His name is Zach Polanski.
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  He's a former Lib Dem who left the party when they wouldn't
• 16:44
  select him as a
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: candidate for a member of parliament.
• 16:47
  He's been a member of the London Assembly or basically their
• 16:49
  city council for a while.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: And when he was campaigning to become Green Leader,
• 16:54
  he actually explicitly said the party could learn a lot from
• 16:56
  the success of Nigel
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: Farage,
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_00: just in a sort of populist grassroots sense.
• 17:01
  And that actually comes from a memorable BBC article that I
• 17:04
  would like you to read
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_00: a little bit of Katie.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: The Green Leader says he,
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: quote,
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: despises Farage's politics,
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: accusing him of sowing hate and division.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: Farage,
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_01: when turning down Polanski's offer of a debate,
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: said,
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: quote,
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  SPEAKER_01: if you pick a fight with a chimney sweep,
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: you get covered in soot.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Going on to say Polanski, quote, has a fan club, all the heroin smokers.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: This is like saying the American version is you fight with a pig.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: Wrestle with a pig.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Get covered in shit.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is the British version.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: More demure.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_02: But you forgot the second half of that aphorism.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: What?
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  But the pig likes it The chimney likes it You let the pig win I
• 17:41
  don't think chimney
• 17:42
  sweeps like being covered in soot So it doesn't translate
• 17:45
  completely No I'm saying
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: the chimney likes it The chimney likes being covered Okay
• 17:50
  Zach Polanski was elected leader of the Green Party in a
• 17:54
  landslide 84% of the vote.
• 17:56
  And since he became leader of the Greens,
• 17:58
  the party has grown a huge amount.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: So in May of 2025, about a year ago, they had 60,000 members.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: By December, they had 184,000.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay,
• 18:27
  SPEAKER_01: so this Zach Bolanski guy,
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: he's had a good run as Green Party leader so far,
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: but who is he?
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: Why are we talking about him?
• 18:33
  Right,
• 18:34
  so the most basic things that people know about him are that
• 18:36
  he's gay and Jewish.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's like this podcast.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, gay and Jewish.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: That would be a good name for us.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: The Kike and the Dyke.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: Have you said that before?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure I have.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's pretty good,
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_02: except I wouldn't be allowed to say it,
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: and technically you're not allowed to say it.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_02: Technically.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: The K and the D He's like a pretty charismatic guy,
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_02: trained as an actor,
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: good at public speaking,
• 18:59
  and he's got left-wing policies that clearly resonate with a
• 19:01
  lot of the British
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: public,
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: particularly people who feel let down by the Labour Party.
• 19:06
  And many of the people who've joined the Greens are those who
• 19:08
  supported progressive
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn,
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: and they've been somewhat politically homeless since he fell from grace.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the Corbynites, it's an intense group, right?
• 19:19
  This is an intense group yeah the most common parallel is to
• 19:22
  sort of bernie bro
• 19:22
  types and and they feel very attached to corbin that he got
• 19:26
  maybe a bit wrongly
• 19:27
  thrown under the bus and they they seem to be bringing some of
• 19:30
  that energy and
• 19:30
  loyalty to polanski and the greens it's a bit complicated
• 19:33
  though because corbin
• 19:34
  actually re-co-founded his own new socialist party called your
• 19:37
  party not their
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: party katie your party um that had thrown down people
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_00: that had a chaotic rollout and that has 55,000 members.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like less than a third the size of the Post Polanski Greens.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: So what are Zach Polanski's policies?
• 19:53
  So it's a mix of like fairly standard left wing stuff with
• 19:57
  items that I find to be out there.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: Let me read each of these to you.
• 20:01
  I'm curious if we agree about what's standard left wing after
• 20:04
  each of these either
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: say standard left wing or whoa,
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: baby.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: Say whoa, baby if it's out there.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 20:10
  Raising Taxes on Millionaires and Billionaires Standard left
• 20:13
  wing Nationalizing
• 20:14
  Energy and Water I don't know that sounds kind of out there to
• 20:17
  me but it's UK is
• 20:18
  that standard standard left wing I'd go a little more with whoa
• 20:22
  baby yeah I know
• 20:24
  from that one show I just watched that Scotland has some oil so
• 20:27
  I guess you'd be do
• 20:28
  they is it whale oil yeah it's just blubber giving free meals
• 20:33
  to all pupils in
• 20:33
  primary and secondary schools standard recognizing self ID at
• 20:37
  this point probably
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: whoa baby
• 20:40
  what do you think I think it's standard but it's becoming whoa
• 20:43
  baby you would have
• 20:44
  said standard like this is basically I would have said yes I
• 20:47
  would have said I
• 20:48
  would have said whoa baby then I would have said standard and
• 20:51
  now we're back to
• 20:52
  whoa baby I think we're getting back to whoa baby removing all
• 20:56
  women from prison
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: that sounds like a whoa baby right there
• 20:58
  That's a woe baby I don't think we imprison enough women So
• 21:03
  it's the opposite of my
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_01: Are we transitioning all women and then removing them from prison?
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: Presumably I'm sorry,
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: yeah,
• 21:08
  transitioning all men Then introducing rent control Standard
• 21:12
  Legalizing all drugs I
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: mean,
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a woe baby,
• 21:15
  but it's not that uncommon And then there's banning horse
• 21:19
  racing I know you're in
• 21:20
  favor of that Increasing immigration Forcing all drivers to
• 21:23
  retake their driving
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: test every five years Not sure where that comes to Oh,
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in favor of that
• 21:27
  dude in New York it's so fucking bad just the amount of like
• 21:30
  potentially fatal two
• 21:32
  pedestrians driving I see every day yeah I'm ready for the mass
• 21:34
  adoption of um
• 21:36
  the Cybertruck Polanski has a Cybertruck for everyone Polanski
• 21:39
  has personally
• 21:40
  spoken out in favor of leaving NATO and he wants to instead
• 21:42
  create a global
• 21:43
  alliance of European countries Brazil Mexico and global other
• 21:50
  global south
• 21:50
  countries to oppose US imperialism be a fun conference at least
• 21:56
  I don't think the
• 21:56
  Brits would I wouldn't want I was gonna say I don't want the
• 21:58
  Brits to be catering
• 21:59
  that no yeah Mexico caters it totally Brazil does the music
• 22:03
  England brings like
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_02: good
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_02: Or OnlyFans
• 22:30
  no it's blue sky he liked 35,000 skeets over 12 months
• 22:35
  according to Jessica the
• 22:37
  baby research his thumb must be throbbing a third of his now
• 22:42
  here's where I can
• 22:42
  relate to him a third of the 35,000 skeets he liked contained
• 22:45
  his own name that
• 22:47
  could be that's how you should handle blue sky jesse is just
• 22:49
  search name search and
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: like every post about you
• 22:53
  He also tends to like posts which attack journalists who
• 22:56
  criticize him also can relate.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_00: He's only been a party leader for a few months,
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: and it's been largely good in terms of exploding membership,
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: but he's also seen a number of scandals.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, good.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: What kind?
• 23:09
  So one of them dates back to a 2013 article from the famous
• 23:13
  British tabloid The Sun.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really going to need you to read this whole excerpt.
• 23:18
  Titnotized Titnotized Titnotized Titnotized Can you really
• 23:22
  think your bigs Wow
• 23:24
  Titnotized Can you really think your boobs bigger
• 23:27
  Hypnotherapist says you can boost
• 23:28
  cup with mind Sun girl Casey Davis finds out with surprising
• 23:32
  results What were the
• 23:33
  results Davies I think it's Davies Davies Casey Davies Has the
• 23:38
  time come when we
• 23:39
  can burn all those uncomfortable push-up bras Hypnotherapist
• 23:43
  Zach Polanski reckons
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: so He says he can boost your cup size using the mind alone
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Why would anybody want that?
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I guess some women like long nails.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Not lesbians.
• 24:05
  There's already proof that hypnotherapy has helped a number of
• 24:07
  alopecia sufferers
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: with hair growth.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: So can hypnotherapy really boost your bust?
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_01: We sent 32B's son girl, Casey Davis, to find out for herself.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so several questions here.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: One, what was the result?
• 24:19
  SPEAKER_01: Did her titties get bigger?
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for asking.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yes,
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_02: according to the article,
• 24:23
  Zach Polanski was able to use hypnosis to grow Katie Davies'
• 24:26
  bust size by four
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: inches following a single session of hypnotherapy.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Two, what year was this story published?
• 24:33
  2013 I already told you oh you did okay so this is so all right
• 24:36
  so this is a pre
• 24:38
  pre party leadership life right so 2013 it's originally
• 24:41
  published it gets a second
• 24:43
  round of attention in 2019 at that point he's in the London
• 24:46
  Assembly and people
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: were like whoa that guy in the London Assembly made a woman's boobs grow
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, Polanski wrote an article on Medium in response.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: He said in part,
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_02: quote,
• 24:57
  I went on BBC Radio that very same week and made it very clear
• 25:00
  I never had or would
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: offer this service,
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: outside of the context of the article,
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: that I want women to feel comfortable about their bodies,
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: whatever they look like.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_00: So, he's basically saying...
• 25:09
  I wouldn't offer this service I wouldn't take money for it but
• 25:12
  when the son reached
• 25:13
  out to me and asked me if I could do it I was like sure why not
• 25:16
  hypnotherapy can do
• 25:17
  anything well he didn't say anything anyway the BBC did but he
• 25:20
  but he is he like
• 25:22
  his career was as a hypnotherapist partly yeah we're gonna get
• 25:25
  back to that
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: actually was he a magician in his in the rest of his spare time
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: I don't believe he ever served as an active duty magician.
• 25:32
  The BBC did its own investigation into the hypno boob job micro
• 25:36
  controversy.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: So Katie, just read this, which sums up the whole thing.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: How would you prove causation and correlation on that?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_02: With hypnotherapy?
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh huh.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe her titties just spontaneously grew four inches that same week.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe she was on her period.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's an observational study.
• 25:51
  You would need a control group where you measure the breasts of
• 25:54
  women who didn't
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_00: get hypnotherapy.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: So this is from the BBC.
• 25:57
  Zach Palancey's claim to have immediately apologized for saying
• 26:00
  that hypnosis could
• 26:01
  increase a woman's breast size has been thrown into doubt by a
• 26:04
  newly unearthed
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: interview.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_01: Before entering politics,
• 26:06
  the Green Party leader worked as a hypnotherapist and offered a
• 26:09
  session in 2013 to
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: enlarge a newspaper reporter's bust.
• 26:13
  Polanski has since said he was misrepresented and never
• 26:15
  believed it was possible,
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: claiming he spoke to the BBC the day after the article to apologize.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_01: BBC News cannot find evidence of such an interview,
• 26:23
  but six days later he spoke to Radio Humberside to stand by the
• 26:26
  theory saying the
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: evidence is growing.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: You know what else is growing?
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: We've got a real Plattner figure here.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: Does he have any tattoos?
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_02: It's just funny how he stepped in here because like he's like,
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_02: no,
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: I went on BBC radio and I said otherwise,
• 26:43
  which brought BBC into this story and they investigated said
• 26:46
  not like he literally
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: said the evidence is growing.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: That's a direct quote.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_00: So Polanski does not see
• 26:50
  He'd been an actor sent in to do some sorts of role plays at
• 26:53
  the Ministry of Justice.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_00: He spun
• 27:05
  that into saying he worked at the Ministry of Justice so he did
• 27:09
  work at the
• 27:09
  building I guess that's what right I worked I meant the
• 27:12
  building and he lied to
• 27:13
  customers about being a member of the National Council for
• 27:16
  Hypnotherapy and the
• 27:17
  Association for Neuro Linguistic Programming NLP is a whole
• 27:20
  other thing so he
• 27:22
  wasn't like he was not a license he was increasing titty sizes
• 27:25
  without a license
• 27:26
  which is um oh that's bad that's bad that's malpractice so like
• 27:29
  it you know this is
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_00: various forms of resume massaging um
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Pretty dishonest,
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: but it doesn't seem to bother his core constituency,
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_00: which is increasingly fired up.
• 27:42
  And that brings us to the broader rise of the Greens and how
• 27:44
  they've suddenly
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: become popular,
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_02: because that's definitely not just about Zach Polanski.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: This is where the strange bedfellows thing comes in.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: But before we get to that, Katie, housekeep us.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_01: We are a podcast.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: This is Blocked and Reported.
• 27:55
  You can reach out to us directly at blockedandreportedpodcasts
• 27:59
  at gmail.com.
• 28:01
  you can also become a member this is really the best and only
• 28:04
  way to support the
• 28:04
  show Jesse have you noticed that a lot of shows or media small
• 28:09
  media companies are
• 28:09
  paywalling all of their stuff now yeah yeah we're not doing
• 28:13
  that we're not doing
• 28:14
  that but in order to keep this going we need people to support
• 28:19
  us so please do it
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_02: yeah we do we're dying here
• 28:22
  we're dying here we have months or weeks we have months or
• 28:25
  weeks left to live
• 28:26
  please become a member don't say that's like you're just that's
• 28:30
  so um karmically
• 28:31
  unwise to say that jesse has months or weeks to live please
• 28:34
  join us become a member
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_01: we have some good stuff coming up our next promo episode is going to be
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: a look at the mythology of Marsha P.
• 28:44
  Johnson I have been hard at work at this what do you mean
• 28:46
  mythology she threw the
• 28:48
  first I know we're gonna I found who threw the first prick Andy
• 28:51
  Mills Andy Ngo and
• 28:52
  we also do these live chats typically about once a month and
• 28:57
  those are quite fun
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: those are also just for our primos and what else do you get Jesse
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: You can comment.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: There's a weekly comment thread.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: There's meetup groups.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: There's Primo meetup groups in cities.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: Across the world.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: One of the two furthest cities I can name.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_02: Seattle to Amsterdam.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you get to be part of the community.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_01: We have a truly great community.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: There's like right now I
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think we're down to two assholes.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: Should we name them?
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: Should we name it?
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, let's not name them.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: I don't like to give them credit.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Two assholes out of a community.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: The ratio of assholes is incredibly low.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's incredible, yes.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: And you always have to have one or two.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: I prefer to have one.
• 29:31
  Right now we have two,
• 29:32
  but you always have to have at least one heal with any
• 29:35
  community.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: The ratio is really good.
• 29:37
  I think the one I'm thinking of is no longer in the community,
• 29:41
  but he was legendary.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was legendary.
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_01: He's gone.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: We killed him.
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  SPEAKER_00: We had him taken care of.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah,
• 29:47
  more have popped up and then they will leave eventually once
• 29:50
  they decide that they
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_01: want to stop paying $7 a month for a show that they actually hate,
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_01: which I support.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: Popat got mad at me as he sometimes does.
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  SPEAKER_01: He would be great in our community.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: He would be a great heel.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, Popat, he's just a delightful man.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_00: But he was like, he said that Elon Musk should be killed.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: And
• 30:12
  then he you know this got him attention as he wanted to
• 30:15
  including from me and then
• 30:17
  he like mentioned how he got all these racist emails implying
• 30:20
  they were from they
• 30:21
  were from my sure did he post the emails I might be I might be
• 30:25
  mangling the order
• 30:25
  here some details but he basically yeah he did not post emails
• 30:29
  but um anyway that's
• 30:30
  as anyone who's been in our comment section know we are opposed
• 30:32
  to interracial
• 30:33
  marriages so it makes sense it would come from our emails would
• 30:35
  be transphobic what
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: a psycho dude maybe has he been talking to Freddie DeBoer
• 30:41
  he has been very blue sky for a very long time and like with
• 30:45
  like if like I don't
• 30:47
  want to like drop names just to starch it but like okay Noah
• 30:50
  Berlatsky was always
• 30:51
  Noah Berlatsky oh remember Noah I haven't thought of him
• 30:55
  remember when like our
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_02: most annoying lefty adversary was Noah I miss him
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_02: Noah Berlatsky goes to Blue Sky and it doesn't make a difference but this
• 31:04
  radicalization of people like Ken White Popat it's sad because
• 31:07
  at one point he was
• 31:08
  like I mean I think he still is capable of writing stuff that's
• 31:10
  sane but then he's
• 31:11
  like well I mean if you were getting inundated by with racist
• 31:15
  emails don't you
• 31:15
  think what and also like what would the like what would the
• 31:18
  racism be directed at
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_00: he's a white guy he hasn't he hasn't no he hasn't he's in an interracial
• 31:23
  relationship he has I believe he has an Asian wife and kids his
• 31:26
  kids are biracial
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_00: he is
• 31:28
  nobody nobody is racist again unless is she Indian then maybe
• 31:33
  if she's either way
• 31:34
  whatever this is it's not our of all like the things you could
• 31:37
  whatever it is it
• 31:38
  doesn't exist if someone got an overheated email from like a
• 31:41
  gender critical person
• 31:44
  I'd be like yeah there's there are a few of those in our
• 31:46
  community there are yes
• 31:47
  there just because like that's an issue we've covered a lot the
• 31:49
  idea that that
• 31:50
  because in the same thread he basically accused me not of being
• 31:54
  a great replacement
• 31:56
  guy but of like I would not criticize people who were in favor
• 32:00
  of the great I don't
• 32:00
  is this real bank shot thing and I've already spent too much
• 32:03
  time talking about it
• 32:04
  the point is Ken we'd love to have you on to talk about our
• 32:06
  differences I'm sure
• 32:08
  okay back to housekeeping please become a premium subscriber we
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  SPEAKER_00: Biden Okay,
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: was that it for?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh,
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  SPEAKER_00: block to import a podcast at gmail.com for like tips and shit Yeah,
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: I already said that Did you?
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_02: I think that's it Should we get back to the thing?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yes So remember I mentioned those bedfellows?
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Strange bedfellows?
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_02: Are you curious who they are?
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yes,
• 32:44
  I assume that someone is sleeping with their head on the foot
• 32:46
  of the bed and
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: someone with their head on the head of the bed.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_02: This is why people become premium subscribers.
• 32:52
  So,
• 32:54
  about 6.5% of the UK's population is Muslim,
• 32:57
  mostly Pakistani and Bangladeshi.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_01: And they're all in grooming gangs.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_01: Let's not...
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_02: No, the spread of that... Look, this was a really serious scandal.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_02: We've talked about it.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: But the spread of that 250,000 statistic is just...
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: I talked about it with Helen when she was on the show last.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's just not great.
• 33:21
  If you want to take it seriously,
• 33:22
  take it seriously and care about getting good data.
• 33:25
  So one unusual quirk of British electoral law is that
• 33:28
  Commonwealth citizens of the
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: British Commonwealth...
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: No gozones No gozones
• 33:51
  As Andy Ngo found There's no drinking Particularly There's
• 33:58
  parts of East London,
• 33:59
  Birmingham And the Northern City of Bradford And thanks to the
• 34:02
  country's voting
• 34:03
  system They are powerful voting blocs In those communities So
• 34:07
  they're like the Jews
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: of Rockland County
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that's anti-Semitic,
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: but yes,
• 34:12
  there are communities where Orthodox Jews have disproportionate
• 34:14
  voting power.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go with that.
• 34:17
  So in the 2024 national election,
• 34:22
  four Muslims who stood as independent candidates campaigned
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: and Reported jessesingal
• 34:50
  like what percent 55 percent of British Pakistanis wow
• 34:54
  according to British
• 34:55
  Pakistanis are married to their first cousins wow that's like
• 34:59
  more than West
• 34:59
  Virginia yeah I don't know anything about causing marriage but
• 35:02
  in some places it's
• 35:03
  a apparently common thing and you know what Katie which of your
• 35:07
  cousins would you
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: marry
• 35:09
  let's see I actually have a lot of cousins including many in
• 35:13
  New York I will not be
• 35:14
  naming which cousins I would marry but yeah so these are sort
• 35:17
  of single issue
• 35:18
  politicians very much devoted to the interests of their Muslim
• 35:22
  communities now okay
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_01: wait so did they
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Ban cousin marriage?
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I believe this failed.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_02: I did find a Oxford University blog.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_02: Banning first cousin marriage would be eugenic and ineffective.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: It would be eugenic, too, I guess.
• 35:39
  You are literally trying to improve the gene pool because of
• 35:42
  the damage cousin marriage can do.
• 35:44
  True,
• 35:44
  but you could also say that banning sibling marriage is eugenic
• 35:48
  in that way.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: Which I don't want to do.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: I do not want to do that.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_01: Which of your brothers would you marry?
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_01: I know the answer.
• 35:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to say it, but I know the answer.
• 35:56
  I'm just double checking yeah it looks like yeah it failed oh
• 36:00
  this also became its
• 36:01
  whole other okay yeah you can if anyone listening wants to
• 36:05
  marry their cousin in
• 36:07
  the UK you can still marry a cousin in the UK is my
• 36:09
  understanding it's legal I bet
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: it's state by state in the US I would presume so yeah
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay,
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_01: in the United States,
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_01: it is generally legal in Alabama,
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: Alaska,
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: California,
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_01: Colorado,
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Connecticut,
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: Florida,
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Georgia,
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Hawaii,
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: Massachusetts New York,
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_02: please say New York,
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_01: please say New York Maryland,
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: New Jersey,
• 36:26
  SPEAKER_01: New Mexico,
• 36:27
  SPEAKER_01: New York Yes
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_01: Okay,
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_01: legal with conditions Because it has to be hot No,
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_01: only if both partners are past reproductive age infertile or with genetic
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_01: counseling in Arizona,
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_01: Illinois,
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Indiana,
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_01: Maine,
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: Utah,
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: Wisconsin and banned in most of the remaining states I think,
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: unfortunately,
• 36:46
  in Washington There's been some interesting coverage over the
• 36:49
  years over genetic
• 36:50
  counselors in Orthodox Jewish communities because everyone
• 36:53
  there is related and
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: they pick their young people's spouses
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_01: Do you think that's why it's legal in New York?
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_00: I have no idea.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: But I think you just created a new anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I think we should move on from cousin marriage.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_01: Look, this is something that Jews and Muslims have in common.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_02: We have a lot in common.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: That's the tragedy.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_02: No pork.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Your penises and your cousins.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_00: Overbearing mothers.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, our penises.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: Okay,
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: so going back to these Gaza independents,
• 37:23
  SPEAKER_00: these politicians from heavily Muslim areas in the UK,
• 37:28
  they don't really have a chance of winning outside of those
• 37:30
  areas as they have very
• 37:31
  little appeal to non-Muslim voters or to voters who don't have
• 37:35
  super hot cousins.
• 37:37
  But the Green Party does have that base of support among sort
• 37:40
  of a subset of the white majority.
• 37:42
  Oh boy,
• 37:43
  there's going to be some intersectional train wrecks here,
• 37:45
  aren't there?
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the direction that we're headed.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: So the Green Party has piggybacked on the Gaza independence success.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: Now,
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: for years,
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: the Greens have campaigned against racism,
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: and now they're all in on opposition to Israel's war against Gaza.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: So they're adopting many of the same strategies as the Gaza independence.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_00: So basically,
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: in constituencies with a lot of Muslim voters,
• 38:08
  the Greens are running Muslim candidates who appear to care
• 38:10
  less about fracking and
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: meat taxes and more about Palestine.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: So
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's the cause du jour, yeah.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a leaflet.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: Please describe this from the Gorton and Denton by-election.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_00: Just describe what you see here.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so there's two images side by side here.
• 38:26
  On one side is just a bunch of writing that looks like it
• 38:29
  belongs on an ISIS flag.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: Can't read it.
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's extreme.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's like actually kind of racist You know what those letters look like?
• 38:36
  They look like sperm They look like wiggling sperm It's a
• 38:43
  beautiful script I think
• 38:44
  it's more beautiful than our letters I agree with you But it
• 38:47
  also looks like
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: wiggling sperm Do you not agree?
• 38:50
  I'll take this from here Those are That's Urdu The language
• 38:55
  Urdu Which I don't know
• 38:57
  To an untrained eye This script looks a little bit similar to
• 39:00
  Arabic It does Now
• 39:02
  wait let me finish let me finish and then on the other side
• 39:05
  there's a white woman
• 39:06
  this is funny it's a white woman I think her name is probably
• 39:10
  Hayley there's a
• 39:11
  white woman she looks like her name is Hayley she like very
• 39:14
  pretty blonde woman and
• 39:16
  she's wearing a keffiyeh and it says stop Islamophobia stop
• 39:21
  reform vote green on
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: February 26th is she a stock image or is this an act like who is this
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_02: No, that's a candidate.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: So she's a white chick, or as the Brits say, a pale bird.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah,
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_00: the text is in Urdu,
• 39:34
  and it encourages voters to vote green to punish labor for its
• 39:37
  failures to act on
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: Gaza.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: There is just something funny about the photo of a white woman.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: Her name is Hannah Spence, by the way.
• 39:44
  It was Hannah,
• 39:45
  which I think Hannah was the next name you were going to guess.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like just the photo of a white woman that says stop Islamophobia.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's an interesting image.
• 39:52
  So what and then now watch this video released by the Greens in
• 39:56
  the run up to
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: recent local elections.
• 39:58
  It's short voting Green in Haringey local elections on May 7th
• 40:03
  is a vote against genocide.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_03: As a counselor,
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: I will take all appropriate steps to uphold the inalienable rights of the
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_03: Palestinian people,
• 40:12
  support efforts to prevent and ensure accountability for
• 40:16
  Israel's crimes of
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_03: genocide.
• 40:18
  The craziest thing about this is it's just one person doing
• 40:21
  different voices.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: It is not.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: She's lying.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, so who are these people?
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_02: Well, these are people running for office in Herringy Green.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right, so these are candidates of various shapes and sizes.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: So these are local elections.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: And Herringy Green.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_01: Herringy Green.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_01: Herringy Green.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's a real place.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_02: The problem with...
• 41:08
  English place names is you you have no idea do you know like if
• 41:12
  someone made this
• 41:13
  up if if I was playing a video game and it was like go get the
• 41:17
  enchanted sword
• 41:18
  where is it herringy green sure that sounds like a made-up play
• 41:22
  but yeah this is
• 41:23
  apparently a real place okay and so what do local officials
• 41:26
  there have to do with
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: Gaza
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: Well, very little.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: Like local counselors,
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: as they're called,
• 41:30
  they deal with fixing potholes and building playgrounds for
• 41:33
  kids and matching you
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_00: up with hot cousins in your area who want to marry you.
• 41:37
  But you're sort of seeing the same thing here you see in some
• 41:39
  lefty cities and
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: towns,
• 41:40
  which is like the tendency of this issue to crowd out a lot of
• 41:45
  other stuff.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: We can call that globalization.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_02: It's globalization, right.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Is that...
• 41:49
  Yeah It's sort of like the Park Slope I mean Park Slope Food
• 41:52
  Co-op is different
• 41:53
  because that is even less important than the Herringy Green
• 41:56
  stance on Gaza or like
• 41:58
  whether a tiny proportion of their pension stuff there's
• 42:01
  investments in I don't
• 42:02
  know you could you could imagine there's like some very bank
• 42:06
  shot connection to
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_00: Israel um
• 42:08
  but it's it's it's weird it's weird for local elections to be
• 42:12
  about something that
• 42:13
  not only do herringy green counselors have no real control over
• 42:17
  Israel like the
• 42:18
  labor party doesn't really have levers to do anything about
• 42:21
  Israel and okay so
• 42:22
  historically British Muslims I assume they're mostly labor
• 42:28
  party members I don't
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: know why I assume that because they're
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_01: Brown?
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: Is that why I assume that?
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's why I assume that.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: So in 2019, over 80% of them did vote for the Labor Party.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: But this is, I think, a genuine parallel.
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: You know how in the US, the Muslims tend to vote Democrat.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: And then since the start of the war in Gaza,
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: there was this push of like,
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: why should we support you?
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: You're not protecting Gazans.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: Super smart.
• 42:53
  They were like,
• 42:54
  they saw Trump and they were like,
• 42:55
  that guy,
• 42:55
  he's our man in Gaza.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: Worked out really well here.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: The guy who moved the embassy to Jerusalem.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's our guy.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah,
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_00: again,
• 43:02
  setting aside the question of exactly what the Labour Party
• 43:04
  could do about Israel,
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: that has been the line,
• 43:07
  is that we're not going to vote Labour because they're letting
• 43:12
  Israel off the hook.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: And in the UK, it's mostly younger Muslims who feel this way.
• 43:17
  There's been this unfortunate tendency in some circles of them
• 43:21
  being more radical
• 43:23
  than their parents' generation and more likely to abandon
• 43:26
  Labour in favour of
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_00: either the independent Gaza
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_00: candidates and counselors or the Greens.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: So one example is this guy named Mothin Ali.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: I might be mispronouncing his first name, M-O-T-H-I-N.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's the new deputy Green leader.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's from a Bangladeshi background.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: He was elected as a counselor for Leeds in 2024.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: Again, they generally deal with things like waste collection.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_00: But here's a snippet of his victory speech, just 30 seconds.
• 43:52
  It's a bit indistinct at first,
• 43:53
  but you'll be able to make out the ending for sure.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: We will not be silent!
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_03: We will raise the voice of Palestine!
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: Allahu Akbar
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_01: All right, Allahu Akbar.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_00: He got my vote.
• 44:16
  We'll link to an interview with a conservative member of the
• 44:18
  House of Lords that
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: sums up the reaction from those quarters,
• 44:21
  which is like the Greens have gotten to bed with pretty intense
• 44:26
  religious Muslim
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_00: types.
• 44:29
  Saying Allahu Akbar does not on its own mean anything,
• 44:31
  but you can understand from...
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: The optics are unusual for England.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: There's a picture of Mothin Ali's wife.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: She's wearing the full burqa.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: This is very unusual among British Muslim women.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: And there's actually an interesting promotional video he put out where he
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: reminisces about growing up in Shepard.
• 44:50
  and when you see pictures of his parents his dad is clean
• 44:53
  shaven and wearing
• 44:54
  western clothes his mom has like a loose headscarf that's much
• 44:57
  more common among
• 44:58
  british muslims so this is an example of like the new the new
• 45:01
  generation being more
• 45:02
  religiously uh conservative than their parents were yeah i
• 45:07
  would um i gotta say i'm
• 45:09
  not sure i would i would vote for a man whose wife was in like
• 45:14
  a full burka you got
• 45:15
  SPEAKER_01: i think this is like the full niqab
• 45:16
  you but you wear those sort of baggy clothes well i mean the
• 45:19
  thing is like i would
• 45:20
  i would wear this outfit myself i was actually telling janet
• 45:25
  the other day that
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: like my ideal outfit is like what afghani men wear like the long dresses
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: It looks really comfortable.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: It looks so comfy.
• 45:34
  And I get so sweaty,
• 45:35
  just like a pillowy,
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  I want like a muumuu,
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  a Muslim muumuu.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, that's basically what it is.
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  SPEAKER_01: It looks really light.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's hot there, so I think it's probably great for hot climates.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: But the visual of this...
• 45:49
  is pretty disturbing i mean but what i mean i i am sorry i am
• 45:53
  assuming that she is
• 45:54
  oppressed because she's not showing her face in public maybe
• 45:57
  she maybe she chose
• 45:58
  this she probably chose yeah i bet she there was no pressure at
• 46:01
  all and she just
• 46:02
  chose you know what she was probably having a bad hair day
• 46:05
  that's like and like
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  maybe her face is breaking out and she was like i don't want
• 46:08
  anybody to look at me
• 46:09
  i'm just like i'm on my period i'm having one of those days i'm
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  just gonna cover up
• 46:13
  all of my face except for the slits of my eyes all right well
• 46:16
  so let's uh let's
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_02: continue on he's got my vote i'm saying
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: He does have your vote.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_00: You've changed your mind.
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  There is a sense in which the Green Party sort of seems to be
• 46:24
  attempting to
• 46:25
  SPEAKER_00: capitalize on this younger generation of British Muslim.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is so strange.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like the Green Party becoming in his honor.
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  SPEAKER_02: So that's the thing,
• 46:36
  there are strains of Islamism that have been a bit tricky to
• 46:40
  pin down politically.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously,
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_00: Islamists tend to be quite socially conservative,
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: but that often coexists alongside this sort of militant anti-colonialism.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: Are they going to start campaigning against gay marriage?
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_01: They might have to change their position on self-ID.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: There have been...
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_02: The sort of the anti-colonialism is obviously left coated.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_00: And oftentimes,
• 47:03
  like Islamist groups are at odds with sort of more secular
• 47:06
  dictators in the Muslim
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: world.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: And that's often been the case in the past.
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  So in some cases,
• 47:10
  like the Iranian Revolution,
• 47:12
  you had hardcore Islamists joining forces.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: with more secular Marxists to overthrow a Western-backed ruler.
• 47:18
  Although in that case,
• 47:19
  that did not eventually end up working out well for the secular
• 47:22
  leftists.
• 47:23
  But we're now getting a new version of this sort of alliance in
• 47:26
  Britain,
• 47:27
  thanks to the Gaza War.
• 47:28
  And British Muslim websites like Five Pillars and the Muslim
• 47:31
  Vote are endorsing the
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_00: Greens,
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_00: a far-left party led by a gay Jew,
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_00: largely because of this campaigning on Gaza.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: Beautiful.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it's been successful.
• 47:41
  SPEAKER_00: Between the Greens,
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: independent politicians,
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: and a few others,
• 47:45
  there are now more than 570 Muslim sectarian candidates won
• 47:48
  seats in the recent
• 47:49
  SPEAKER_00: local elections.
• 47:50
  And okay,
• 47:50
  so how,
• 47:52
  like the local non-Muslim population,
• 47:56
  how are they responding to this?
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: in terms of who wins the election,
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: it's just the sectarian Muslim candidates just have the votes.
• 48:04
  SPEAKER_00: The tension has more been, there's been some tension on
• 48:09
  you know the subjects you'd expect within the Green Party so
• 48:13
  yeah when Moten Ali
• 48:15
  ran for deputy leader he was the only candidate in the Greens
• 48:18
  who refused to sign
• 48:19
  10 pledges about LGBTQ rights language like whole the
• 48:25
  acknowledgement that quote
• 48:26
  wholeheartedly that fighting for LGBTIQA plus liberation goes
• 48:30
  hand in hand with
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: fighting the climate crisis wait
• 48:35
  I didn't think climate crisis was I mean it doesn't but I'm
• 48:39
  like could you explain
• 48:40
  how it goes hand in hand with fighting the climate crisis yes
• 48:43
  there's a there's a I
• 48:45
  mean I'm going to say this is going to sound derogatory but
• 48:47
  tell me where the lie
• 48:48
  is there's this culty thing in like two online leftist circles
• 48:53
  where you say x and
• 48:54
  y are connected where x and y are not connected you're just
• 48:56
  supposed to say that I
• 48:57
  don't I have no idea how fighting for gay and trans rights goes
• 49:02
  hand in hand with
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_00: fighting the climate crisis that doesn't
• 49:05
  i mean all i can imagine is like it's some geoengineering thing
• 49:07
  where you have a
• 49:08
  really really big pride flag like really really big that makes
• 49:12
  sense really big
• 49:13
  pride so big and such a rainbow that it reflects light back out
• 49:18
  um yeah there's
• 49:19
  also another one of the pledges he refused to sign was about
• 49:22
  quote fully funded and
• 49:23
  much needed support to all trans people including that was um
• 49:27
  including trans youth
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: health care banning conversion therapy stuff like that he wouldn't sign
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so pitting trans against Gaza, who's going to win 2026?
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: I think maybe Gaza.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_00: At this point, I would like Gaza's odds.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: So there was this rally in London at the end of March.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: Zach Polanski and Hannah Spence,
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: the aforementioned white woman in the flyer,
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: they took to the stage and they danced with gimps in BDSM gear.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: So
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_02: What did the Muslims think about this?
• 49:59
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, were the gifts wearing hijab?
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_02: Full burqas.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: A lawyer named Ahmed Yaqub,
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_00: who is huge on British Muslim social media,
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_00: and he's a lead campaigner for the Gaza independence,
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_00: he called the dancing degeneracy.
• 50:13
  SPEAKER_01: Fair.
• 50:14
  We'll link to examples of him urging Muslims to vote
• 50:16
  independent rather than Greens
• 50:19
  Like an interview where he talked about We'll also link to a
• 50:22
  tweet of a video from
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: a Green campaigner Talking about his own run-in with Gaza independence in
• 50:27
  Birmingham He said that after Friday prayers They threatened to
• 50:31
  beat him up Because
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: of the Green Party's pro-LGBT stance So yes,
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: there has been some tension Yeah
• 50:39
  one other example of this that I want to get your views on um
• 50:44
  there's been a video
• 50:45
  making the rounds in like conservative circles um showing trans
• 50:49
  woman Eden Hills
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: getting elected to lead city council as she gives her victory speech the
• 50:55
  aforementioned Mothin Ali looks on Katie describe this still to
• 50:59
  me okay you have a
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: very tall trans woman um
• 51:05
  with a just like standing there and then behind her is a dour a
• 51:09
  dour Muslim man and
• 51:11
  a keffiyeh looking not happy so I watched the video and I don't
• 51:16
  know it's not a
• 51:17
  durag it's like the traditional Muslim skullcap it looks like a
• 51:20
  durag okay it's
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_01: like what I wear to sleep in
• 51:25
  i watched the video i'm not sure i think he just has like the
• 51:28
  male equivalent of
• 51:29
  resting bitch face but either way this this image of a trans
• 51:33
  woman who just won
• 51:33
  next to a very religiously conservative guy whose wife wears a
• 51:37
  full burka and you
• 51:39
  know that that sort of says it all it's a strange image he
• 51:42
  probably would have been
• 51:43
  okay with this candidate except that she's wearing short
• 51:46
  sleeves she's showing a
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: lot of skin um
• 51:49
  If she were wearing a burka,
• 51:50
  it probably wouldn't have been as big an issue.
• 51:52
  One area of potentially unfortunate agreement between these two
• 51:57
  factions within the
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_00: Green Party is the Jews.
• 51:59
  So the British left has obviously had issues with anti-Semitism
• 52:03
  for a long time.
• 52:05
  You may have recalled a whole brouhaha with Jeremy Corbyn and
• 52:09
  among the British
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: Muslim community,
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: this is a problem.
• 52:12
  So since October 7th,
• 52:14
  anti-Semitic incidents have risen sharply in the UK.
• 52:17
  Terrorists attacked a synagogue in Manchester during Yom Kippur
• 52:20
  last year,
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_00: killing one person,
• 52:22
  injuring three others before the police shot him and also a
• 52:26
  worshiper dead.
• 52:28
  A Jewish charity known as the Community Security Trust recorded
• 52:31
  its highest number
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_00: of anti-Semitic incidents ever in 2023 and second highest in 2025.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_00: I do think any time an advocacy group
• 52:39
  puts out stats on hate crimes you should like carefully look at
• 52:42
  the methodology I
• 52:43
  also don't think anyone really denies that like there's been a
• 52:45
  serious uptick in
• 52:46
  the UK things seem to get worse this year following the start
• 52:50
  of the Iran war in
• 52:52
  March in North London arsonists set fire to four ambulances
• 52:55
  yeah fuck ambulances
• 52:56
  belonging to the Jewish charity Hatzola like ambulances
• 53:01
  notoriously gas hogs
• 53:04
  This was followed by a number of attempted arsons at synagogues
• 53:06
  and community
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_00: centers in London.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I do think there's a tendency to blame anti-Semitism on the right.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's what British leftists sometimes do.
• 53:17
  I think these attacks are mostly they are coming from the
• 53:20
  Muslim community.
• 53:23
  SPEAKER_00: And in screenshots from a WhatsApp group obtained by the Telegraph,
• 53:27
  SPEAKER_00: Green Party activists called Jews an abomination to this planet.
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: in the
• 53:56
  that seems very roundabout versus just building more
• 53:58
  settlements but i don't know
• 54:00
  uh green candidate saika ali's social media post included an
• 54:04
  image of a snake whose
• 54:05
  skin is patterned with the israeli flag wrapping itself around
• 54:08
  the globe not subtle
• 54:10
  as well as this picture it's a um very stereotypical looking
• 54:14
  jewish guy it's you
• 54:16
  holding money wait what's he holding in his right hand this is
• 54:20
  ai slop but or maybe
• 54:22
  SPEAKER_01: a playing card see a gambler
• 54:24
  Either way he's saying and he's he's got a shirt it's sort of
• 54:28
  like a football pitch
• 54:29
  except the shirt has a collar and it has a very poorly ai slop
• 54:32
  star of david on it
• 54:33
  clearly supposed to be a star david anyway he says don't you
• 54:36
  know the rules we went
• 54:37
  through the holocaust and now we get to kill everyone forever
• 54:41
  okay green candidate
• 54:42
  sabine marae my ray posted on her own social media a picture of
• 54:46
  a placard which
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_00: read ramming a synagogue isn't anti-semitism it's revenge
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_00: Green Candidate Philip Brooks posted on Facebook,
• 54:55
  it takes a serious effort not to be a tiny bit anti-Semitic in
• 54:58
  reference to Gaza.
• 54:59
  Green Candidate Mark Adderley,
• 55:01
  you'll notice a lot of these names are not Muslim names.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_00: These are also just the white greenies.
• 55:04
  Mark Adderley called Israel a cult and claimed that the Mossad
• 55:07
  shot Charlie Kirk.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's true.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_00: I have insight info on it.
• 55:12
  Green Candidate Tina Ion had a Threads account now deleted with
• 55:17
  the name The Real Anne Frank and
• 55:20
  she posted God's people the chosen ones tell me again not to
• 55:24
  wish death on these
• 55:26
  shits she called for every single Zionist to be killed and she
• 55:30
  shared describe this
• 55:31
  SPEAKER_01: image she shared oh my god the text says Zionist juicer
• 55:36
  Feet first of course and it's uh some it's like some sort of
• 55:39
  weed thresher just
• 55:41
  something that would mangle a human yeah um so the list goes on
• 55:44
  and on are these
• 55:45
  like legitimate candidates are these yeah they're they're
• 55:49
  they're candidates um we
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_02: should obviously look several reformers
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_01: This is worse than American candidates.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is worse than James Fishback.
• 55:57
  Several reform candidates have also had scandalous social media
• 55:59
  posts on Earth.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same shit in the other direction.
• 56:02
  So can it Derek Bullock posted on Facebook,
• 56:06
  just shoot the Packies on the spot?
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_00: And that's like a genuine racial slur over there.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_00: That was after the 2017 terror attack on an Ariana Grande campaign.
• 56:14
  concert in manchester uh canon glenn gibbons posted on facebook
• 56:18
  can't believe the
• 56:19
  amount of nigerians in town should melt them all down and fill
• 56:22
  in the potholes good
• 56:24
  god it's it's so funny no i was gonna say america should not
• 56:29
  we're one of it's
• 56:30
  weird to say i think we're one of the least racist countries i
• 56:32
  do i do yeah i'm not
• 56:34
  saying we're not racist but like on in the grand scheme of
• 56:36
  reality right um jessica
• 56:38
  SPEAKER_02: they may point out that like reform and the greens are sort of
• 56:43
  Maybe there's a lack of professionalism because they're newly
• 56:47
  popular parties.
• 56:48
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if that really excuses it,
• 56:49
  but it could be they don't have the infrastructure in place to
• 56:51
  fully vet people.
• 56:53
  SPEAKER_01: They don't have someone to say stop it?
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_00: Don't be anti-Semitic.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of green candidates have anti-Semitic posts on social media.
• 57:03
  SPEAKER_01: And this goes beyond run-of-the-mill anti-Zionism.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, of course.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_00: The vast majority of what I just read is not.
• 57:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's way beyond that.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_00: If it was just criticizing Israel, I would not.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're allowed to criticize Israel, obviously.
• 57:17
  Some of the people I just mentioned have been suspended from
• 57:19
  the Green Party or
• 57:20
  SPEAKER_00: even arrested because the UK is pretty intense about online hate speech.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_00: But fair to say that this is a big problem in the Green Party.
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_00: Blocked and Reported jessesingal
• 57:50
  who interestingly he's a rare example of someone who changed
• 57:52
  his name to sound more
• 57:53
  jewish he was born david pauldin huh and he yeah his latvian
• 57:58
  jewish ancestors had
• 57:59
  adopted um and that to stay safe and he chose to reclaim
• 58:04
  polanski after they
• 58:05
  adopted pauldin um is he going to change it back to pauldin to
• 58:08
  win more votes
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well,
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_00: so he is sometimes able to accuse his critics of anti-Semitism,
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_00: which can certainly be convenient.
• 58:16
  And the Green Party will often refer to him as the only Jewish
• 58:21
  leader of a UK political party.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_00: They mean at the moment.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_00: They've had them in the past.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_00: But in April,
• 58:26
  a few weeks after the ambulance arsons and during a string of
• 58:29
  attempted arsons in
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_00: Jewish neighborhoods in North London,
• 58:32
  SPEAKER_00: Zach gave an interview in which he said,
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_00: quote,
• 58:35
  there's a conversation to be had about whether it's a
• 58:37
  perception of unsafety or
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_02: whether it's actual unsafety,
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_02: but neither are acceptable.
• 58:41
  Which is crazy because there's attacks and attempted arsons
• 58:44
  left and right.
• 58:45
  To say this is just a perception of unsafety among British Jews
• 58:49
  is insane.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I would say go back and listen to my interview with David Baddiel.
• 58:54
  I can't think of a better example of Jews don't count than this
• 58:57
  kind of bullshit.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_00: But either way,
• 58:59
  this was poor timing because a few days after he referenced
• 59:01
  that maybe this was
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_00: just a perception of unsafety,
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_00: Esa Suleyman,
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_00: a Samaritan,
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_00: Now, after this
• 59:21
  video of him being apprehended goes viral shows him lying prone
• 59:24
  on the ground his
• 59:26
  hands are still holding the knife they're under his body the
• 59:30
  unarmed police
• 59:30
  officers tell him repeatedly to drop the knife and they don't
• 59:34
  they kick him in the
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_00: head I
• 59:37
  I think this is partly because this is like what you're
• 59:40
  supposed to use if someone
• 59:41
  won't drop a knife if you kick someone in the head it will
• 59:44
  cause them to release
• 59:45
  the knife Jessica the 80s baby did a little research on this
• 59:47
  asked why she thinks
• 59:48
  they were doing it however not everyone interpreted that way
• 59:52
  read this tweet that
• 59:53
  Zach Polanski retweeted so essentially his officers were
• 59:56
  repeatedly and violently
• 59:57
  kicking a mentally ill man in the head when he was already
• 1:00:00
  incapacitated by taser
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: So he just stabbed someone and the problem.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_02: He tried to kill two Jews.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_00: And what people are mad about is the police were a little bit rough.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_02: So in response,
• 1:00:14
  SPEAKER_02: actually,
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_02: in a rare break with standard protocol,
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_02: Mark Rowley,
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_00: the commissioner of the Metropolitan,
• 1:00:18
  Police actually wrote a public letter to Zach Polanski
• 1:00:21
  featuring the line,
• 1:00:22
  apprehending violent and dangerous criminals is a full contact
• 1:00:25
  and messy task,
• 1:00:26
  which may appear shocking to observers with little experience
• 1:00:29
  of policing in the
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: real world.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_00: So Zach Polanski lacks the lived experience.
• 1:00:35
  Polanski Polanski actually apologized but right after that
• 1:00:40
  incident his approval
• 1:00:41
  rating plummeted he tried to claw things back by criticizing
• 1:00:45
  the times for
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_00: publishing what he accused the times of anti-semitism but it's like
• 1:00:50
  not it's hard right now if you're in the green party to accuse
• 1:00:53
  anyone else right of
• 1:00:54
  anti-semitism and this led to interactions like this I'll be
• 1:00:58
  Zach Polanski you you
• 1:01:00
  be this guy who responded Bennett Aaron yesterday in Hastings
• 1:01:04
  in the wake of
• 1:01:04
  anti-semitic attacks in Golders Green I faced Nazi salutes
• 1:01:08
  today the prime minister
• 1:01:09
  uses his office to attack the only Jewish party leader to score
• 1:01:12
  political points
• 1:01:14
  were they all green party candidates meaning were the Nazi
• 1:01:16
  people all green party
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_00: candidates
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_00: So Zach Polanski has also been embroiled in a fresh scandal.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_00: He hasn't been paying the U.S.
• 1:01:25
  SPEAKER_00: equivalent of a property tax,
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: basically,
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: while he lived on a boat on the River Thames.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to spend a few years on it.
• 1:01:31
  SPEAKER_01: River law?
• 1:01:32
  Riverlaw things are about to get a little bit more chaotic in
• 1:01:36
  British politics
• 1:01:37
  because there was a election in a constituency called
• 1:01:42
  Makerfield and the Green
• 1:01:43
  Party candidate had to drop out hours after declaring his
• 1:01:46
  candidacy Katie guess
• 1:01:48
  SPEAKER_00: what the Times found on his social media profile
• 1:01:51
  a body uh anti-semitism surprisingly oh he said the Hatsola
• 1:01:54
  arson attack was a
• 1:01:55
  false ambulance arson attack was a false flag operation that
• 1:01:59
  election became a
• 1:01:59
  two-way horse between labor and reform uh labor was a popular
• 1:02:04
  mayor of the popular
• 1:02:05
  SPEAKER_00: mayor of manchester
• 1:02:06
  Andy Burnham he just won he's gonna challenge Keir Starmer
• 1:02:09
  who's very unpopular for
• 1:02:11
  leadership of labor and it's all gonna become more of a
• 1:02:14
  clusterfuck and sort of I
• 1:02:15
  presume the more the weaker labor is or becomes or is perceived
• 1:02:19
  as the more
• 1:02:21
  influential green could be and the more these tensions are
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  going to I would assume
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  come to a head because like you just I don't know or maybe
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  there'll be a permanent
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  SPEAKER_00: peace between
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  the uh orthodox muslims and the lgbt community how are hardcore
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  muslims on
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  environmental policy that's a good question i assume they're
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  for it i can only
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  assume the quran say about climate change it probably has the
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  same stuff all the
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  like the old books do about like how the earth is good and god
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  created and stuff
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  dominion probably probably about they yeah god created it for
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  humans to destroy uh
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  SPEAKER_00: any any questions katie
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  no questions confusing times confusing times indeed this has
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  been Blocked and
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  Reported as always and especially this week we're produced with
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  help from Jessica
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  SPEAKER_00: the 80s baby thank you for listening bye